721. 2025 UAP Year in Review, Dean Alioto, Matt Ford, UFO Jack, Allie & Justin

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello and welcome everyone. I'm Martin willersher host, and we
have an exciting show for you this evening. We're gonna
be talking about the year twenty twenty five in review.
I've got filmmaker Dean Alioto, I've got UFO Jack who's
been on before. He helps me out with YouTube, et cetera.
And also we have Ali and Justin who have you

(00:39):
a p news I'm getting that wrong something like that,
but they're all a great couple. I was on their
show and I've really enjoyed their work. They're really look
at what's going on. So I thought it would be
a great idea to get everyone together and have us
all talk about the year in review. The blog this

(01:01):
week is part two of a nineteen seventy six report
from Spain. Check that out over at podcastufo dot com.
All our blogs are over there, over one hundred and
seventy blogs historic mostly of all by Charles Lear and
also as far as the audio blogs are on our

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podcast feed. And another thing that we're going to be
doing today is we're going to be giving away T shirts.
Now I have, let's see, I have this is what
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I'm going to be putting up don't act now, but
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text me your first name and I'll get back in
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you know I have all these people's phone numbers shock
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(02:25):
name them. I would never for any reason share any
information with anyone. That's just something I would never do.
But anyway, without further ado, I'm bringing in first UFO Jack,
Hello Ali and Justin and Dean ali Oto, Welcome everyone.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Sorry, I was just texting and get that T shirt
hold on right, Yeah, I was writing the number down.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, so pretty excited. So I think I'm just going
to start around. Why don't we just go around like
this right at the top, I'll go pick on Jack
right away. But you know, I'm just going to start
and just say I think it was a kind of
a pivotal year in general. A lot happened, you know.
I mean, I've said before in the show a number

(03:12):
of times. Sometimes it feels like, for the time I've
been watching this, like the whole UFO, I don't know
if you want to call it disclosure or movement towards that.
It feels like it takes steps forward and then several
steps back and forward and then back, and it feels
like I could relate, Oh there's a cat. There's a cat,

(03:34):
and so just to let you know, everyone, and we
can't really do much about that. We'll hear the cat
every now and then.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
But so.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I saw this video back it was filmed in the
fifties where a guy was saying, you know, I just
want to live long enough to know what's going on.
And I felt that way, and I think a lot
of us do we feel like we're right getting closer.
But I think it was a pivotal year. We're going
to be touching on things that happened this year, like

(04:08):
the hearing, and you know, some movements forward. It feels
like this movements forward, some whistle whistleblower protections, all that
type of thing. So that's what we're going to be doing.
And Jack, so onto you. What do you feel about
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, I felt like twenty twenty five was an epic
year for sure for the UFO community. I just felt like,
I think there were points in the year as a
consumer of the content that I honestly just couldn't keep
up with all of the stories that were coming out.
I mean, you got Ross Colhart doing his thing, bringing
in I think he brought in like a border patrol officer,
and the tridactyl mummies are getting a resurgence. You got

(04:48):
Harold Malgren interview with Jesse Michaels. I mean, the list
goes on and on and on, and to round out
the year with the Age of Disclosure documentary coming out
with them that came out, I feel like a lot
of people in the chat I've probably seen it. It's
just kind of like NonStop. It's like, where are we
going from here? It's like, at what point is you know,
It's almost like, what's the next chapter going to look like?

(05:10):
If this is what twenty twenty five kind of gave us,
I don't know if everybody else feels the same way,
but it was just kind of a rush all at once,
and yet at the same time, I kind of feel
like it maybe didn't move the needle as much as
I thought it was gonna. I will say one pivotal
moment for me in twenty twenty five just happened a
couple of weeks ago. As it relates to the UFO thing,
is I kind of had my normy world clash with

(05:32):
my UFO obsessed world came together. In one podcast there
was I watched the NFL. I love football, and a
sportscaster who was pretty popular in that arena is Colin
Cowhard and he he's a big time sportscaster, huge following,
gives a lot of great hot takes for the NFL

(05:54):
and other sports, but mostly the NFL. But he interviewed
Dan Fara, the director of Age of Disclosure, and I
couldn't believe he invited him on his sports podcasts, and
I was kind of like, geez, like, I don't know.
For me, it kind of hit me. I was like, wow,
this actually maybe is kind of making waves at least
in little bits and pieces, almost like throwing rocks into

(06:15):
a pond and seeing the ripple effects in the water.
I feel like it's kind of a very slow moving
situation and that was pretty exciting to see.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
And hell, that a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Sorry, it was right there, I had.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
I mean it was a slam dunk. I think sports bunk,
you know.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, all right, so justin it's your turn.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
I thought this was definitely a pivotal year. One of
the most important things that I think happened this year
was Beatrice bille Rose paper Mmmm with the transiting stars
are disappearing transience?

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah yeah, I know, isn't that that's such a mystery
And it's not artifacts on the on the on the
film negatives or anything like that, you know, I mean,
if that's all been checked.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Out right, right, I mean, we had the hearings that
was big, and the age of disclosure finally came out,
and I think that definitely moved the needle. I mean,
we have the Secretary of State on camera saying that
there's objects in the sky that are penetrating nuclear sites unimpeded,
you know, and he's on film saying that.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
That's right, all right, so Ali you can lean in.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
Hi everybody, Thank you Martin so much for having us
on tonight, and thank you to everybody, and hello to
everybody that's in your audience. Our cat coincidentally enough, whose
name is Martin, would also like to say hello. I
thought that when I think of like five in general,
forgive me, I can't sing that well. However, this song

(07:57):
comes to mind where it's like you love is like
oh roller coaster, baby and baby. It's like twenty twenty
five has been up and down and up and down.
It's been like, you know, you got highs and you
got lows. You're expecting something and then you don't get it,
and then it's like, you know, there's just all these things,
and it's just been really fun trying to keep up
with everything. You know, There's been a lot of exciting
moments that we I can't wait to get into and

(08:18):
to talk about with you guys tonight. But if I
had to give it like a theme, I would say
it's giving roller coaster.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Absolutely well, well said and Dean ali Olta, last but
not least, it was okay.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I mean, you know it's this, it's it's just it's
all about UFOs.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I don't know, man, it was okay.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
First of all, the testimony is having more testimonies come out.
I thought was great, and I thought it was compelling.
My brain is a scattershot because I'm thinking about the
you know, Tedesco footage John and Jerry.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
That was amazing.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
And the thing that that blows me away is I
think it was Luna. She said that she was able
to go and see footage and she said it was
clear footage, like there was no doubt about it. This
is this is it, and we know that they have
this footage. And the excuse that we've been given beforehand
is well, we're worried that our adversaries could reverse engineer it,

(09:23):
which is like me taking you know, my iPhone and
going back in the eighteen hundreds and saying, take a
look at this. See if you can open it and
open and you know, and go to an app. It's
not going to happen, and you're certainly not going to
be able to reverse engineer it.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
So the fact that she saw and she.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Said no, no, no, it was clear as day. It
absolutely is was next level. And so that, to me
is the target that we should be shooting for, is
to get that footage released. And I feel like, again,
this is supporting nuts and bolts, because we're never going
to get as I've said a million times, the alien
you know, UFO tailpipe. We're not going to get that,

(10:02):
and so that's going to be held on with Deer
Life from DoD.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Or Department of Energy, whomever.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
So separate from that, no, I thought it was a
great year, and you know, Dan ferrah Man crushed it
getting his movie out. I mean everywhere that movie is
out and it's number one on t VOD which means
transactional VOD on Amazon where you can rent it and
buy it, and it's number one, beating out One Battle

(10:31):
after another and a whole bunch of other titles.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's probably brought in five million or more.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's huge, and for us as filmmakers, it's like, yeah,
we told you there is something here. And now I
kind of feel like between Fox's the Program, which is
a companion definitely to Age of Disclosure, we've got the
hearings now covered, We've got everything what is next level?

(11:01):
So I'm you know, at some point maybe we can
project out what we think that's going to be. But
as far as this year, I would say this was
a banner year. I would say that it's it's safe
to say that for the nuts and bolts aspect of it.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
Thank you, Dean.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
We'll be talking about your two films that came out
this year and a little bit we'll be talking about that.
But right now, since I have permissioned to play this trailer,
I might also just run it for those of you
who have not seen Age of Disclosure.

Speaker 8 (11:28):
Here it is the American people are ready to receive
the truth.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Humanity is not the only intelligence in the universe.

Speaker 9 (11:40):
Humanity is not the only intelligent species.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
We are absolutely not alone.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Non human intelligence exists.

Speaker 9 (11:46):
The UAPs are real, they're here, and they're not human.
I spent twenty five years as a senior official with
the CII I've.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Worked on highly classified UAP program.

Speaker 9 (11:57):
Twenty eight years as an astrophysicist.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I served the fourth Director of National Intelligence, Director of
Aviation Security in the National Security Council.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
The one star admal After thirty two years of serviceable
that had come forward with this.

Speaker 8 (12:09):
I feel like they've taken their life from their own aims.

Speaker 9 (12:13):
I was recruited to a highly sensitive government program that
investigated unidentified aerial phenomenon.

Speaker 10 (12:20):
For over sixteen years on behalf of the US government,
I worked as a senior intelligence official on the Unidentified
aero phenomenon topic.

Speaker 9 (12:27):
We learned that the US government was involved in a
long running secret war with other nations to collect and
verse engineer vehicles not made by humans.

Speaker 10 (12:39):
I have seen with my own eyes non human craft
and non human beings.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Level.

Speaker 10 (12:49):
The first country that cracks the code on this technology
will be the leader for years to come.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
China has established its own version of the UAP Task Force.

Speaker 11 (12:57):
Do you think for a second that they wouldn't consider
using it to achieve their ends of domination.

Speaker 10 (13:02):
This is similar to the Manhattan Project. This is the
atomic weapon on steroids.

Speaker 11 (13:07):
This is so secret, very very few people in our
entire government that can allowed access to it.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Even presidents have been operating on a need to know basis.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
But that begins to ramp out of control.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
It's not acceptable to have secret parts of government that
no one ever sees.

Speaker 10 (13:23):
You'd better be careful about a government doesn't trust its people,
because there's no telling what they'll pull on you.

Speaker 11 (13:30):
This is the biggest discovery in younistry.

Speaker 9 (13:33):
You had information being locked away that could change the
trajectory for species. It has so many beneficial impacts, including
clean energy.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
We should have disclosure today, We should have disclosure tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
The time has come.

Speaker 8 (14:05):
What else you want to know?

Speaker 6 (14:16):
You're still muted, Martin?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Oh, okay, Well, yeah, I need to say.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
I love the line from Jay Stratton. You know what
I mean. He's talking about being a first hand witness
and that he worked in a government program. So I mean,
I just think that that is pretty powerful right there alone.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, but he didn't describe what the aliens looked like.
He didn't get into any detail. I don't know why
Dan didn't ask that, And I would have liked to
have just had the question asked, and if he said, look,
I can't tell you that that would have you know,
but I'm dying to know what that was like. And
I will point out something that Jay Stratton said. And
I met Jay, nice guy. I was a phenomenicon.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
This summer.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
And but he did say and he says in the
dock that the government has funded Hollywood movies on UFOs.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
They never have.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
I've heard that. I've heard that as ever years. I've
heard that. It's it's it's not true.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
It's yeah, it's not correct. Name me a movie that
was funded by the government. Now there's there's a rumor,
and it might be true, and I'm not saying that
it isn't, But that escape to which mountain of all
movies that the government did, you know, assist The government
does assist in military movies all the time and and

(15:37):
stuff like that, But as far as funding goes, no, no,
we don't get any funding from the government. I wish
that were the case because maybe they wouldn't take back
end points and we wouldn't have to do them residuals.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
So right, well, very good. So I just have to
take just a little quick break right here, because okay,
so the first person that texts me right now at
six o three seven seven to zero five zero four
gets a free large T shirt. I should show it
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(16:13):
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but anyway, very prize.

Speaker 6 (16:31):
Either way, I like that. Keep your eyes to the skies.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
That's right. Yeah. Oh I just saw a cattail.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
So, yeah, there's one thing I think I just want
to get out of the way right now because just
while I have.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
What's that Matt Fords in the chat?

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Oh, Matt's in here. Okay, Yeah, we're.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
Going what's going on?

Speaker 1 (16:58):
That's actually who we're.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
We should talk about him?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, fire us trying to talk about Matt Ford. Everyone.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
So I got a text from a while back and
he started talking about this situation where he showed me
like a LinkedIn from a recruiter and basically this is
kind of the information right here. He received a direct
inquiry from an aa RO recruiter or for them, and
the message was sent through LinkedIn and here's the name

(17:29):
Danny mcgree and all this and based on his background
that he would be, you know, fit this role. And
then it got into key aspects and everything and you
know this is this type of information has been going
on for a while. I mean, you look at this here.
I'm just bringing this up just a little as a

(17:51):
side here. This was out I think a couple of
years ago. But so this Matthew Pines, who I understand
has a pretty good reputation current a current highly very
clear d O d s c S recently confided me
that a r O is entirely a disinformation activity designed
to cover and distract, with no qualms about misleading Congress.

(18:14):
So that was you know, from him way back. But
matt has uncovered because he followed the links. But this
is very key right here to read what the qualifications
besides having a master's degree and some you know, security
background or being able to have to be able to
obtain a security clearance, there was many other things, but

(18:38):
read this right here. I want everyone to feast arise
in this right here in the yellow highlight knowledge of
influence operations, information operations or deception activities that was under
the requirements. To me, that just speaks why oh why

(19:03):
is uh why are we funding this? Why are we
funding this program? If this is what they're looking for?
I mean, it's just I want to talk about that
with everyone here.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, first we have to ask do they have a
good dental program before Ford turns it down.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Okay, it might.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
Be worth taking the job right now, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
With the changes going on, Yes, you're right, so but anyway, Okay,
I don't have any No one wants a T shirt.
I don't have a single text. That's okay, come on, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
I also see I want to say hi to Keith Taylor.
That's in the chat. That's cool that Keith Taylor joined us.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Okay, doctor Keith Taylor.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, hello, great guy. Here's just something from now. Uh
Mendy here always has some really great comments and questions,
so I always love posting her here. Whatever she says here.
Jay Stratton never actually specified that he saw he believed

(20:07):
was real, or if we're possibly the adversarial neuro weapon
that made him see what he saw. I'm familiar with
any of that. Does anyone know anything about this neuro weapon?

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
So Jay should have said that he could have possibly
been manipulated when he saw those things.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
That's what it sounds like. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, well then he would have to say that about everything,
and then everyone who was on camera would have to say,
this is borring me being zapped with this technology.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
So I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, Matt, I wish I could just bring you right
into the show and now we could talk about that. Actually,
I wonder if I send him I'm going to send
you the link. Mac a Mac, I called him Mac.
I'm sorry, Matt, I'm going to be sending you the link.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
So Martin, while you're doing that, if you if I
take a stab at yeah, you go right in at
Ford's story. So one thing that came to mind when
I watched his video today on YouTube and listening to
you talk about it, Martin, You guys will have to
let me know what you think, because I'm curious when
the more I study about this topic and the more
stories you hear, especially like Matt Ford's, has it ever

(21:19):
made you wonder like how much of a society as
a public that we're just lied to every single day?
And does it ever make you question, like what actually
is truth when we don't really have any power to
or the funds or the resources or the people power
to get all of the right pieces in play to
actually seek out truth where it's it's managed in such

(21:41):
a way that you would never even know if it
was being managed. Do you like when I research more
about the UFO topic, that's kind of like where my
mind keeps going. And I don't know, if you hear
stories like Matt Ford's, does it ever make you think
similar thoughts or have you ever thought about it like
that as it relates to the UFO topic, if anybody
wants to, I mean, am I being over dramatic?

Speaker 7 (22:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I thought you were asking the the people who are
writing into to chime in about that. Now the government
they've been doing disinformation and I mean on everything, on everything,
and you know from Kennedy and before, it's just a
way to control information and control the truth. And so

(22:30):
that's just part of you know, part of these organizations
from n s A to CIA, FBI, all of these
guys have.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Their own protocols where they do that.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
I mean, when you get into the insidious part of it,
you know, I interviewed James Peniston for my documentaries and
he told the story of being.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Given sodium penatol.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
And and you know who else got that, Terry Lovelace.
And it's like, if I'm ever going to do an
the documentary it's so going to be all about that.
Why is os I going around giving young soldiers sodium penitol? Now,
if a Russian jet crashed, like say that happened in

(23:13):
Reynalshan Force and it was a Russian jet our Chinese jet,
would os I go in there and give Sodian penital
truth serum to find out what happened and try to
wipe out their memory.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
No, it's the strangest thing.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
And sometimes it's it's the behavior of those people who
are in charge that dictates the situation and and what's
being done and how it's being handled, And that's, to me,
is just insidious.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Someone just said they'd try to text me for a
T shirt and it didn't work. So I don't know
what's going on. I tested it out before the show.
I'm sorry if that's If that's a problem, we'll figure
it out. So here's another thing.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Somebody said, yeah, your texting thing is off.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's it's not working. Nope, nobody can see that up
there right now.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
Oh, I see it. I see the message to text
now six O three seven seven two zero.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
First Yeah, sorry, like they're sending the text.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
I don't think you're getting them for some reason because
they're saying that they did send a text.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Okay, well if the text come through, I'm wondering if
it's because I'm online. It's an online text service, so
they'll probably come through everyone, So I'll catch up with
you tomorrow. And I didn't test it while I was online,
so that's the problem.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
As a backup chat. If you guys want text, put
a text in the live chat and we can go
back and watch the episode. And if you just type
something like I texted for a T shirt, and we'll
look out for those messages and we'll we'll reach.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Out to the first person I mentioned it was, yeah, yeah,
all right, okay, well I'm gonna take this down for now,
but moving on. So uh yeah, I mean someone just
had a comment in here and I wanted to put
it up because it was Keith, but anyway, uh uh sorry,

(25:17):
I just can't see it right now. It says invalid number.
I'm so sorry everyone. We'll figure it out. I don't
know what happened. It was I tested it earlier, but okay, yeah, Keith.
Uh so he talks about I never really knew how
to pronounce his name, Jeff new TOCELLI.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Uh Detroit be Yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Getting back to what you were talking about, that was
what Luna talked about this clear, clear video. Did she
explain why it's classified? No, I mean she just.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Said that that that she's trying to get out and
that she's seen it.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
It exists, right, Okay, wow, I mean that's something. So
Matt may come in a little while he's driving, and
so he may come in the show that we have men.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yeah, nice job, Matt. I thought it was really nice
to see members of Congress all together hop on a
podcast and see that on my YouTube feed. I was like, whoa,
that was pretty impressive too. I believe it was on
Corbell's channel. That was kind of cool to see.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Oh yes, I saw I saw a little bit of that. Yeah,
that was really good. So this is just a comment
here in the chat. Randon has a very interesting article
called the Exploitation of superstitions for purposes of psychological warfare,
But it's more so considering how adversaries might utilize their benefit.

(26:54):
So you were talking earlier, Dean also about the Peniston
in the drugging and all that. I mean, I never
really understood what drugging would do because it was sodium
pentathol right where they're just trying to get the information
out of them.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, well it's a truth serum, but it's hardcore truth serum,
and you can also come close to wiping out someone's
memory of what happened. They definitely won't remember, depending on
how it's utilized during that period, So it'll be if
you will, missing time. And so both Peniston and Lovelace
were given this. Lovelace was in the army when this happened,

(27:34):
when he saw his craft at the Devil's Den Park
and so yeah, it was the OSI man. They came in,
they administered it, and Lovelace did his best to stay
coherent and to be able to control what he was given,
the suggestions and stuff he was given and what to remember.

(27:56):
So I forgot which Beatles songs song he was using
in a head, but he kept repeating.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
It over and over. It might have been Blackbird. He
kept repeating it over and over in his.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Head to try to block the drug and have some
somewhat of control. But at some point that goes away.
And Jim was saying when I mentioned that, Peniston said, yeah,
good luck. Maybe you can do that for a few seconds.
But when that stuff kicks in.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
That's it. Your you know, your memories gone.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
So I decided I'm going to talk about something real quickly,
even it has nothing to do with twenty twenty five,
kind of like what you're talking about, though, Dean, and
that is back in twenty thirteen. If I'm talking about
something that's true, then I really don't have to worry.
But I have to tell you that I was threatened
that I was going to get sued when I first
came out with it, but it was It's a true story,

(28:47):
So I don't think I can get sued for something
that's true. Twenty thirteen, I'm meeting all these people down
in North Carolina, one of them being Charles Halt, who
was the commander or assistant commander of the base during
the Rendelson Force. And I'm on a standing downstairs. He's

(29:11):
having a drink or two. And the person that it
was there also a guy that I can't I had
never met before, but we were both talking to Halt
and he started talking about the drugging of the people
afterwards and how terrible was and then he looked right
at both of us and he says, and they drugged
me too. They drugged me too. So I brought it

(29:35):
up on a show and Robert Hastings called me immediately
and said that I was going to get sued. And
so I had a conversation with Charles Halt and I said,
get him on the phone, and talked to him on
the phone and he says, well, I guess we can
come to an agreement that you thought. I said that

(29:55):
you know so, but he said it. He said it
right to me, right to my face, and he denies now.
And so I'm not really worried about getting sup but that's,
you know, anyway, it has nothing to do with twenty
twenty five. So I got to steer us back to that.

Speaker 6 (30:11):
Can I can I help you with that for a second.
I want to bring something up because in preparation for
this show, you know, Justin and I we were reviewing
all the things that we covered this past year on
the UAP Society News show, and one of the first
things that we covered was Trump trying to talk about
the drone flap. And I just found it so funny that,

(30:34):
you know, before he was officially elected, he was like, oh,
I'm going to tell you guys everything on day one,
and now here it is almost January twenty twenty six,
and we still have no definitive answers, and the UFO
drone flap is not over. It's still ongoing. It never
actually ended. It's still shutting down airports in Europe, like

(30:55):
within the past.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Two or three weeks.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
So I think that that's something that we should talk about,
just because it never it never was satiated. There was
never like a conclusion to it. There was never a
reasonable explanation. It's just kind of like we were pacified
with this explanation, and but it's still it's still happening.
So what do you guys think about the drone flap?

Speaker 4 (31:16):
I mean, I thought it was just FAA research, right.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
Yeahs development, and it was all don't worry, it was
all sort of well.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Here's the thing the FAA was. The FAA was asked
and they said they had no idea, and then all
of a sudden Trump gets into office or whatever, and
all of a sudden they have an idea. I mean,
is that suspicious or what?

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Well the FBI actually said at one of the hearings
of testimony, he says, we don't know what it is,
and all of a sudden, the FAA knows exactly what
it is. And by the way, so the flap happens
in December and November. I'm looking out my deck and
I'm here in Los Angeles, and I see a whole
bunch of drones. Now I use drones to film scenes

(31:59):
for movies, and you would have one drone, maybe you
would have two, but there were seven and I recorded it.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
And let's see.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Oh wow, I can see all seven.

Speaker 7 (32:16):
Yeah wow.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
A lot of lights on them too, a little bit
of lag on the video here.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
This is. This is good, but we can't have dead air.
You have to near eighteen.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Oh yeah, So there we go.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
We have to think of our audience.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
Run.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
They were changing colors, which was what drones do. But
then then we get really bright, which is what drones
don't do, right.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
And oh really they don't.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, So this went on.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Look at the one at the bottom, Wow, good shots
and all the colors and then yeah, and then we
go back to the beginning. So this is If you
guys want to see it, you can go to Dean Elliott.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Or captured pictures on TikTok. But I shot like four.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Minutes of this and because there was no drone, flap
at the time. I mean I was my brain was,
you know, trying to figure out what it was. And
I actually got bored with it because I'm like, all right,
I'm seeing these drones and maybe people are learning how
to use drones. But it's very difficult in LA to
use drones because you have to get permits actually everywhere

(33:28):
through the FAA. And when I used on this last
film that I did, we had to get permits and
we had to reschedule because the Dodgers were having a
game and they didn't want to have any drones out
there within a certain mile radius. But here were seven
of them going on and we went back inside the house.
It continued even longer. And the thing is, drones only
last twenty minutes, thirty minutes if you're doing maneuvers and stuff,

(33:52):
and so the fact that these things were just up
for at least an hour was.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
You know, really baffling. So it is still going on.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I'm still disturbing, and people now that they're being flagged
to it, are reacting, but you know, closing down runways
and stuff.

Speaker 7 (34:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
And that whole thing in Colorado where they said there
were a whole bunch of.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
That was a year ahead. That was a year ahead,
so something I'm going to show you something else. This
was a year ahead too. This was September in twenty
twenty four. But I was walking up in Rockland, Maine.
I'm just going to show you this because Marky Antonio said, well,
it's probably a drone. But to me, this thing was
acting really weird. It's very very It was very very

(34:36):
windy that night, so I don't even know how this
thing was flying. I mean, the wind was blowing like crazy.
But here it is. But all right, I.

Speaker 12 (34:58):
See, actually, Phil, that's a light reflect or reflection, lens
of reflection whatever, but that's not jeez, this is unbelievable,

(35:21):
those little things moving around. That's just the street lights
and the lens for this red thing which turns white
is not.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Anyway. I thought that was pretty interesting, and I ran
over to where it looked like it landed, and it
really wasn't anything going on over there. There was no
you know, there was no cars parked or anything. It
was a field, but there was no I don't know anyway. Uh,
I thought it was an interesting video. I know, we're
taking a jag off of because but the drones, I

(36:07):
think is really something that we really haven't solved, unresolved,
still going on. It's still going on. And here's the thing.
When you talk about it, people say, oh, yeah, it
was New Jersey. No, it was everywhere everywhere. Hell yeah, yeah,
all over the place. So yeah, I think that's I

(36:27):
think that should be part of the conversation. Thank you
for bringing that up. So the hearing, let's talk about that.
I thought that hearing I didn't go. I went to
the two before and kind of regretted not going to
that hearing in particular. Does anyone want to talk about that?

(36:48):
I mean, that unbelievable triangle situation, and you know, someone
was actually an active service member that was talking. I
thought that was that was another step ups. And I
thought George Nap did a great job. I thought he
really was their extra.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
Oh yeah, that was good.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Orland is the man?

Speaker 8 (37:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
I thought his testimony was particularly moving and revealed a
lot about how they treat whistleblowers, or how they want
upcoming whistleblowers to perceive how they're going to be treated
mm hm, you know, to try to keep them quiet.

Speaker 7 (37:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
The thing that stuck out to me the most was
when he mentioned about how, you know, he only has,
like I think he said, like two weeks left of unemployment,
and due to all the strutiny and smearing of his
name that they did to him, he's finding it hard
to even find employment outside of the military and the government.
So I really feel like this would be the perfect

(37:50):
time to highlight the importance of protection for whistleblowers and
not these like honey fly traps where they go to
a certain place, spill all their story, let everybody our details,
and then all of a sudden, oh, let's classify it
so that you can't talk about it anymore. It's like, no,
we really need to protect our whistleblowers and we really
need to like, you know, support them. And I just

(38:11):
feel like Dylan Borland was super brave for coming forward,
and he was done dirty. He was done very dirty
by the way that they treated him, and I just
feel like that is so not cool. It's not cool
to treat anybody like that, let alone a veteran, let
alone a UFO whistleblower, let alone a human being. So
I feel like we have a lot of room for
improvement when it comes to how our whistleblowers are handled

(38:31):
and how they're treated.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, So, yeah, I thought I thought
that was and I think they've made some steps because
of that. I do believe it seems like something there
was a step, a movement forward to that. We have
Matt Ford in the room. Matt welcome, Oh yeah, welcome.

(38:57):
Happy holidays. So so, Matt, yeah, if you would. You know,
I watched your film this morning when I got up,
and yeah, can you talk about that whole situation, because
that's that is just baffling to me how this all
played out.

Speaker 7 (39:13):
Yeah. Actually when it when it first happened, I thought
it was a prank because I'm like, you know, I
you know, I'm probably in Sean Kirkpatrick's nightmares or either
he has a poster of me on on his garage
wall that he throws darts at. So I I figured
I would be the last person, uh they would want
to hire. And then when I saw it too, one

(39:35):
of the first things that said was, uh, you know
that you need to have a TS clearance with s
c I eligibility. Well I don't have a clearance at all.
So I'm like, well, you know, why am I getting this?
And uh, you know, my guess is that it was
probably like an AI generated match. I immediately looked looked
at the looked at the the recruiter, and it looked

(39:57):
like this, this recruiter does you know, like d O
D stuff for uh, you know, handling people that for
job that need security clearances and whatnot. So they were
they were a legit outfit and so anyway, I kind
of didn't really think anything about it. I thought just thought, well,
this is kind of ironic and uh. And then you know,

(40:21):
and then I was like trying to figure out, well,
you know, was this an AI match, because you know,
so much of job job stuff these days, in terms
of applications and whatnot, it's you no longer talked to
real human beings. And then when you know, one person said, well,
you know, maybe they're trying to co opt you, and
I'm like, well, you know, I mean, who knows. But

(40:42):
then I forgot, uh, somebody it might have been Rob
Heatherly now with somebody else actually went and found the
job posting online and then said, hey, look at page
page four and uh and then that's where it said
information what was it information operations? And uh uh a deception.

(41:04):
And then one of one of the other, uh, one
of the other ones. So yeah, influence operations and uh,
influence operations, information operations or deception activities and and the
sort of catch all acronym for that whole thing is
called IO in the intelligence business and in the d
D business. So so first thing I did was, you know,

(41:28):
I was thinking, okay, well, maybe this is like a
standard thing. So there is you know, one of my
sources is a program manager in the d O D,
not for anything u AP related. Uh. So I reached
out to this individual that I've known for quite some
time and and and uh uh set this person this
thing and said, hey, is this, you know, just like

(41:50):
a normal thing or is that something you would put
if you're like trying to see look and see whether
there's any you know, foreign interference or deception or anything
like that. And this person said no, this person had
actually run programs that used used that exact job title

(42:11):
for that particular program, uh, that this person had managed.
And what they said was that that that if you know,
if you have a if you have a program where
you're not like trying to protect things or uh, you know,
something that needs to be super baried, then you just
have a communications director, you know, a you know comms

(42:32):
guy or girl. Uh. But this person said, if if
if it was a sap cap a program that you
had to to keep stuff hidden or you know, you
had counterintelligence worries things like that, then then that what
was in that thing is what you would put in
those job requirements. And on on my show if I

(42:59):
don't know the graph with me, but on my show,
you'll see the you'll see the quote that I got
from this particular uh person that does stuff for the
D O D. So uh so. Yeah, So that that
pretty much that pretty much settled it for me. And
then I ran it by some other folks, other contacts
that I have in D O D. And I see

(43:21):
and said, hey, is this a big deal? Am I
making this too? Am I making this a big deal?
And it's truly not And all of them said, no,
this this actually uh uh is a big deal.

Speaker 10 (43:34):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
They were all really floored that they had had put
it on put it in there. And the other interesting
thing too, and I actually forgot to write about this
in the show is Rob Heatherley is a fantastic researcher
and has done amazing work behind the scenes in this

(43:55):
In this field. I think we'll find out one day
all the different things that Rob has done to move
the ball forward, and I think everyone will be surprised
by how much stuff he's done. But anyway, he managed
backing up a bit. So you know, one of my
next questions was, oh, well, maybe this was something that
they put in all of their job postings, and so

(44:18):
maybe it's not as big a deal as it looks
to me. And so anyway, so Rob went and was
able through the wayback machine to go and find all
of the previous Arrow job postings. None of them had
IO activities on there. So this was like a new thing.
And and part of the twenty minutes show that I

(44:40):
did about this today was building the overall case because
it's easy to like look at a little snippet and go, oh, well,
maybe maybe the recruiting contractor made a mistake, or maybe
the recruiting contractor misinterpreted the needs of Arrow, and I
act actually asked about that and said, hey, could this

(45:02):
be a mistake that the recruit that the contractor made
that Arrow had had employed and that this person said
no in that world, but because it's dealing with national
security stuff, they they they don't make those kinds of mistakes.
So that's a pretty egregious one. So anyway, Yeah, so
it turns out that Arrow had never posted anything like that,

(45:25):
and and and and the case that I make in
the show today, excuse me, is is really kind of
builds up to it. So when you when you kind
of step back and you look at the historical pattern
of behavior from Arrow and and Errow leadership and and

(45:47):
the product that they have delivered, it's it is very
crystal clear. This whole thing is uh is you know
one big information management you know, fly paper fly paper operation,
and and the other thing that I would point out
as well, and this is part of the letter that
is now part of the Congressional record, is you know

(46:08):
a couple of years ago is when a source informed
me that Arrow had this is back when Sean was
running things. Arrow had this this secret technical advisory board.
And then I talked about it on my show. Members
of Congress found out about it, you know when I
when I revealed this, and then they went back to

(46:29):
Sean saying, Okay, who's on this board? They wanted to
know and Sean wouldn't tell them. So that was when
and this was during the hearing that Lou appeared at.
And I was actually director of strategy at the time
for UAP Disclosure Funds, so I was I was in Washington,
so that's when I wrote the letter. And and essentially, uh,

(46:51):
you know, in the letter, and I had to redact
the names for some legal reasons, but one of the
names was Glenn Gaffney. And and essentially I said in
the letter to come Congress that you you have the
organization that is congressionally mandated to be an authorized recipient
of classified material, and anybody could go in there and

(47:15):
make and make an authorized disclosure without having to worry
about what was in their national security non disclosure agreement.
And then here you've got the guy that is one
of the primary gatekeepers of the Legacy program. He was
one of the he was a director for a period
of time for the Director Directorate of Science and Technology,

(47:37):
which the Office of Global Access is under. So you've
got the very guy that is one of the primary gatekeepers.
And all of the harassment comes from the Legacy program.
So here you've got the guy gatekeeping this thing. And
then he's working for ARROW on this secret advisory board.

(47:58):
So the point I made in the letter to Congress,
is you know here Erro is running this thing where
where whistleblowers are going in and thinking that their their
testimony is confidential and that they're they're going to a
safe place. Yet you've got you've got this guy basically
the Fox advising the hen House and showing me, damn well,

(48:20):
Sewan knew, damn well, who this guy is? This Sean
Sean brought brought in Glenn Gaffney. So that's that is
that is fact. So uh, you know, so it's like, hey,
it was clear that that Gaffney was likely going to
be back channeling all of this, uh, all of this
confidential testimony back into the Legacy program, which is a

(48:43):
direct threat to the physical safety of whistleblowers.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Wow, hey, we're lucky.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Go ahead, Matt, Matt, do you mind hanging out with us?

Speaker 7 (48:52):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Sure, yeah, all right, because we were just going around
talking about what we think of what you know happened.
I know you were in chat, so you know we're
doing talking about twenty twenty five. Go ahead, Dean, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
So while you were talking, Matt, nice to meet you,
by the way, Matt.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
Likewise, it's nice to meet everyone here.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Yeah, hello, Yeah, I looked this up.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
You get recruited for the DoD with a background showing honesty, trustworthiness, stability,
and loyalty to the US.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
So I'm not sure why they picked you, but.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I just didn't figure it out either.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
So literally, they have a section that's called cleanliness and conduct,
So it's not hygiene, no serious crimes, no drug use,
serious drug use, financial stability, honesty is paramount, loyalty, good conduct,
and foreign influences avoiding undue foreign ties are preferences. And

(49:51):
then it depends what skills you have, like doctors and
you know, certain education trade stuff. And then they also
do a background check of seven to ten years, so
just in case you want to get that dental program
that's supposed to be really good, just seven to ten years.

Speaker 7 (50:07):
Well, you know, clearly they're clearly they're scraping at the
bottom at they're scraping the bottom of the barrel if
they're reaching out to me. So I don't know, maybe
maybe they're getting desperate. We're you know, we're on the street.
Got out. So you know, after the whole dose thing,
I think so many people got fired. They they probably
ended up shorthanded and say, hey, we know this talk

(50:28):
show host, he'd be a good disinformation guy. Yeah, no,
it's it's it's it's yeah, I mean it's it's truly
it's truly crazy. But you know, I think it was
Jim Lekatski on the Weaponized Podcast put it best. I
think Corbell had asked him about Arrow being a disinformation operation,

(50:48):
and essentially Lekatski said, well, yeah, of course it is.
And but that doesn't mean these are bad people. Disinformation
is a job, it's it is a career, and it
doesn't mean you're a bad person if you do it personally.
For me, I ethically doesn't have an issue. But people
do this for a living in the intelligence community. And

(51:12):
when you when you go and you look at the
consistent pattern of behavior. And then the other thing that
I pointed out as well in the show today is
is you had Tim Phillips following up behind Sean doing
the exact same thing, the exact same thing. And you know,
and here's a little secret on how the Legacy program works.

(51:34):
It's essentially almost set up like a crime family, and
it's it's it's more about like pedigree. But you know,
you're you know, you're moving up the GS ladder. And
then at some point a c if a senior that
is has one foot in the government and the other

(51:54):
foot in the Legacy program comes up and says, hey,
I've got something that many people get to know about.
You're about to you know, you're going to retire in
a couple of years, you know, are you in? This
person gets a read in, So this person gets read on,
and the Legacy Program says to that person, we want

(52:18):
you to just keep doing your job, do exactly what
you've been doing the whole time. But at some point
there's going to be there's going to be two favors
We're I'm going to ask one it's going to be
something we need you to execute on. And then the
other thing, right before you exit, we need you to
find two other people, two other juniors that you're going

(52:41):
to then give them the same speech that I'm giving
you now. And when you leave the government. And this
is again, this is what the Legacy Program tells these folks.
When you leave the government, you're gonna your one hundred
thousand dollars a year retirement is now going to be
a five hundred thousand dollars year of retirement. And much

(53:03):
like a criminal mob family, once you're in that family,
you never leave it and the last thing you do
is cross it. But when they go, when when they
go and they reach out to somebody that's towards the
end of their career, they're in, you know, they've got

(53:24):
one foot in their front facing career and then they've
got another foot in the swamp. And their whole goal
is to protect the integrity of the legacy program. And
there will be times when they'll you know, you'll get
this call that says, hey, we need you to go
on a podcast and UH and throw some cold water

(53:46):
on UAP hearings. And if you if you play the
game and you do what the family tells you, once
you're out, you're either going to get a sweet cushy
gig at another you know, for a contractor UH defense
contractor or or one of the national labs, and you'll
be making a ton of money, and you know, and

(54:08):
they may ask you to go and do stuff that
would violate your security oath, but they're gonna say to you, Okay,
we need you to go say these things that that
any other time would get you into trouble because you're
saying stuff without dops or approval. But you're gonna you're
gonna get a mark on uh, you're gonna get a
yellow mark on your security clearance. But don't worry. We'll

(54:32):
give it, you know, give it six months and your
record is going to be clean.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
So I'm a little that's.

Speaker 7 (54:37):
The kind of stuff that goes on.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
I'm curious to hear from the rest of the panel
about as well as you met about what do you
guys think of with regards to such a legacy program,
the necessity of it, and do you believe that it
should be unfiltered or do you feel like there should
be some safeguards. I'm curious in everyone's definition of what

(54:59):
a you know, a I guess realistic legacy program would
look like UFO Jack throw it down, brother.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
I don't know, Dean, that's a really really big question.
Take it out and take it.

Speaker 9 (55:17):
Are you sure?

Speaker 6 (55:18):
I mean, I was honestly when when when I heard
Dean ask that question, I was like, that's really tough
to answer because my brain automatically goes to what I've
been programmed with, which is, you know, like you have
you have friendlies and you have non friendlies, and if
you think about it from that, like you know, fear perspective,
like if you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail, right,
So it's like, if you look at it from that perspective,

(55:41):
I mean, sure, you do have to keep certain things classified,
you do have to keep certain secrets, but that's all
in an effort to protect like national security, and it's
all in an effort to make sure that your adversaries
don't get at the get ahead of the game before
you do so, right right, right, So it's like if
you if you look at it from that lens, and
then yes, I do see the importance of keeping something secret,

(56:03):
something's classified. However, that system is being abused and it's
been being abused, and they're overclassifying, overclassifying, overclassifying everything so
that they don't have to talk about anything. So really
it I mean, it's the sticky situation. I feel like
I want to say it's gots to go, but at
the same time, it's like what does that open us
up to? So it's kind of hard to answer. It's

(56:25):
really like difficult. I don't know, what do you think.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
I mean, if if we weren't so scared about our
quote unquote adversaries getting the one up on us. I
feel like we want to have this need for secrecy
in the first place.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Right, And I've always you know, talked about legacy. I've
always wanted to you know, about Roswell, you know, I mean,
this is generational seventy years. Yeah, you know, this gets
passed down to someone somehow, somewhere, maybe in the private
sector somehow, and moved along. I've always wondered how you
know that information gets passed down and who it's passed

(57:01):
down to and who knows what, and uh why we
just don't learn more somehow?

Speaker 7 (57:09):
Right, Yeah, I think you know that. So right around
Reagan's time is apparently when when things went south so
and then and then Cheney Cheney super accelerated it. So
it it developed this sort of you know, corruption aspect,
you know, really kind of starting around Reagan's time. So,

(57:31):
you know, I'm sure in the beginning it was all
set up, you know for all you know, some are
mostly altruistic reasons, but it's it's you know, it's it's
really kind of turned into this criminal organization in the
sense that you know, people's pockets are being lined uh,
you know, to to keep this thing locked down. And

(57:53):
then you know, there's a reason somebody like Ronald Moultrie
went straight into Bettel after this. That's how this whole
thing works. It's this kind of revolving door. So you'll
see these Sack deaths and depth Sacked deaths and and
other people at the top of the Pentagon pyramid or
the Ic period pyramid, they'll go straight into uh, they'll

(58:16):
frigg going straight into a contractor role like sitting on
the board, or go into Betel and these f frd
cs uh, you know, so they make a ship ton
of cash and then and then if an administration changes over,
then they go back in. So it's this, it's this,
it's this constant revolving door. And then the other thing
that I would point out as well is you know

(58:38):
a lot of these folks they have really serious Fifth
Amendment concerns, and and these folks in the program, you know,
they're sitting you know, they're not thinking about, well, oh,
you know, this is for the good of the world,
we need to put this out. They're looking at their retirement.
They're looking at Okay, if I go public, am I
jeopardizing my family safety. What's going to happen to my

(59:01):
wife and kids? What's going to happen you know? Are
they Am I going to lose my house? Uh? And uh?
And then if you know, and then the number one
thing is if if they end up going to jail.
So so that's where this thing is really kind of metastasized.
Outside of of just you know, protecting national secrets and
and making sure we don't tell our foreign adversaries what

(59:23):
kind of of of tech we have. It's just it's
it's really turned into this cancer. And and again goes
back to the whole thing of the where the military
industrial complex. You know, you have the DIB, the Defense
Industrial base that is it's it's it is this swamp.
It's uh uh, it's I don't know what. Excuse me,

(59:43):
I don't know what the what the fix is to it.
But then the last thing I'll say too is that
all of all of excuse me, all of the physical
harassment and the really bad things that have happened to people,
it comes out of the legacy program, out of the
security on tractors that they have. So then that way
CIA is insulated, do D's insulated. Do OE is insulated,

(01:00:07):
so yeah, it's got to get fixed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
And someone asked a really pertinent question.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Are an observation that I have oily skin and Martin
is wiping his lip? Well, I am half Italian, so
they said dry skin. They said I had dry skin.
I'm half Italian, so that's not possible.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
I've got oil skin.

Speaker 7 (01:00:26):
I can.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I just want to clear that up, just so we
can get beyond that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I know that's really important comments. I've been deleting a
few of the real important ones.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Dean, did you have another pointer? I wanted to piggyback
off something that said, but I didn't want to cut
you off.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
No cut me off?

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Please, okay, cool.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
I will. Matt, you brought up a good point that
you know, you mentioned how this whole thing with the
military industrial complex and Ronald Reagan and I feel the
need to also highlight how this whole keeping UAP is
a secret started basically then where you know, we when
Roswell happened, we were just coming out of World War right,

(01:01:06):
so like the government was looking at it from the
point of view of you know, we can't talk about
UAPs because we're still trying to defend ourselves. We're in
the middle of a world war here, So it's like,
again it points out the idea of looking at everything
from a very military perspective, and I mean, even to
this day that that is still a problem, right because

(01:01:27):
it's like they put everything into that category of we
have to keep this secret because but the times are
different now and I feel like we're at a place
now where we can maybe unpack.

Speaker 7 (01:01:37):
Some of that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
But this also highlights the point of why the government
maybe is not disclosing, because if they do disclose, then
guess what happens. All the lies that they've been telling
us for the past however many decades is going to
unravel and then all of a sudden, we're gonna know that,
you know, America may not be top dog in the
world like we boast to be, and that we can't
protect ourselves from outside threats. Even though I don't like

(01:01:59):
to use that word because I don't subscribe to the
fear based narrative. However, you know, I feel like it's
important to highlight that because we're still battling it. But
I feel like we're at a different place now to
where we can handle that and we should unpack that.
But the government is still trying to grasp on to
that secrecy for all dear life because they know that
it's going to unravel once it comes up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
What's what's a threat, guys? Because it feels like we
have to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
Separate shoots backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Sorry, we have to separate this into being able to
not ridicule people who are seeing things, because seeing things
alone is not saying I saw this and this is
how it worked and operated.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
So that crap needs to stop now. And it's and
it has.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
We've seen a great you know change sea change in
that and lou Alizano gets some you know props for
that and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Uh Leslie Kane, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
So there's that aspect of it, and then there's also
the aspect of of what what is that technology and
and how is that being utilized? And I still have
questions around that because you know, it's Chekhov's gun. If
you have a UFO and we've recovered one, say, if
that's happened and it's operational, it's kind of like that

(01:03:11):
can be weaponized. And if that can be weaponized, like
Checkof's gun in the first Act, it gets used. No
one has ever reported that someone's duct tape a bomb
under a UAP and dropped it, you know, on an
advisary even checking it out right, and so, and then
the other narrative that comes out is that you know
these experiencers, which at some point they're going to get

(01:03:32):
to see at the table, I'm guessing, and they should.
Two messages that have come through A is your screw
up your planet, and the second is what your technology
isn't helping you? So why would they be donating their
technology to us? And for the longest time I thought
it was nuclear bombs and stuff that wasn't helping us.

(01:03:54):
But the older I get and the more I look
on how people are being manipulated, I think this is
the technology that they were maybe talking about, and so
it is Ralph Blumenthal in my documentary he talks about
that at length. So anyway, I just want to see
that barrier where it's like this is fair game, this

(01:04:14):
is still we need to hold those cards back, which
is why I was asking that question for everyone.

Speaker 7 (01:04:19):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe one of the messages from
the NHI was they need to eron, needs to reach
out and try and hire Matt Ford, so that would
have been the third.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
Yeah, Man, I'm so glad you you would declined that offer.

Speaker 7 (01:04:36):
I mean there was there was the record. Yeah, I don't.
I don't have a security clear so that there's no
way I could have been hired anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
So well, you know, it would have been fun to
see how far you could have gone with that, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
I there was was it about three years ago? I
can't say who, but someone offered to sponsor to get
me a secret clearance and I declined it. Okay, because
once you saw that, NDA, they got you by the
short and curly's so to speak.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
Apologies, Ali, Yeah, you're fine, You're good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Yeah. So I think one of the let's see, we've
talked about some different points, but but Matt, we didn't
get your thoughts on it, and Dean, we don't want
to forget to talk about your two movies. Yeah, but anyway,
what did you think was was there any pivotal things
that Matt, I'm talking to you, anything pivotal this last

(01:05:31):
year twenty twenty five, that you know you think really
made a difference in the UAP world.

Speaker 7 (01:05:38):
Well, yeah, I mean I truly think the movie from
Dan Farrah, I think that I think what was important
about that was the editing was such that it told
the story to the non UAP crowd. When I saw
when I went to the to the movie theater to

(01:06:00):
see it here in La literally no one got up
to use the restroom get popcorn. Like everybody sat in
and paid paid attention to it. And I spoke to
Dan Fair after it, and I think he said he
had gone through like fifty at its or it with
some insane number. But I it's it's very easy. I

(01:06:20):
think for all of us that are doing podcasts or
or or films or whatever, it's it's often easy to
forget that that it's easy to it's easy to preach
to the choir. The challenge is to take this very
complex story that sounds completely batshit crazy and package it

(01:06:41):
in a way that that ninety nine percent of the
world that doesn't follow this stuff can comprehend it, not
go off into Little Green Men, timfoil hat Land. It's
it's a very it's a very complex area. Like somebody
had said, well, you know, I'm really upset that that
Dan didn't put adductions in there, and you know, and

(01:07:03):
I truly think it's like, I mean, yeah, that's an
important part of it, and I think that is one
of the key reasons for the secrecy, is the abduction
part of it. But when you're trying to like you
got to set the table first for dinner before you
do anything else. So I thought he did a really
great job with that and then the then the other
thing I would say would be the UAP hearings. I

(01:07:25):
thought that the witnesses were just outstanding. The what was
the testimony was outstanding. I thought George Knapp did a
really great job of trying to tie it all together.
I'm still a little mixed on whether the video from
Eric Burlison ended up being a distraction, because it's like

(01:07:47):
everybody talks about the video and it's like, no, it's
not the video, it's what these whistleblowers had to say.
That's the most important thing. But you know, I can
on the other side, I can understand why he did it.
You know, you have to ask yourself, well, if he
hadn't done it, you wouldn't have heard about this hearing
on the nightly news, so you know, so it's a
real balancing act. But overall, I think it was a

(01:08:08):
good thing. I think that what was a bad thing
was once again the defeat of the UAP Disclosure Act
that was disappointing but not surprising.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yeah, yeah, So no, I think I think that's all
all a good point. You know, we talked a bit
earlier about that, and so I think it's been a
bander year and I'm excited to see where it goes,
you know, forward from here. But you know, everyone was
talking a couple of years ago, they were saying, oh,

(01:08:42):
twenty twenty seven, you know, twenty twenty seven, it's all
we're going to know everything, and that's kind of died down.
But I mean it's kind of like you know, the
hy too K and you know, all these things when
we're it was at twenty twelve when the calender ran
out of the s as an intelliga, that whole thing,

(01:09:03):
the doomsday thing, you know what I mean. But I
don't know if there's going to be any changes, So
you know, we'll just we'll just have to sit and
see how things go, and you know, just keep I
think we should keep talking about. One thing about that
film that I think did exactly what you're talking about, Matt,
is that you know, I have someone that I work
with in the in the appraisal Field Fine Arts and

(01:09:25):
all that she owns a company and she's not into
the UFO topic at all, and she caught it, her
and her husband caught it on Prime video and she said,
oh my god, she said, there's really something to this.
So I love the fact that it, you know, it's
it's it's making people that, like you said, people that
aren't really into the topic and they're exploring it and

(01:09:49):
coming away saying, boy, you know, there's really something to this.
And I think they're they're even watching my show now
and then so if they are, are.

Speaker 7 (01:09:58):
They going to get a T shirt?

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
But so I don't know how you were all feeling.
Is there anything? I think we should go around and
kind of like do a wrap up and just you know,
how we basically feel about, you know, what's going on,
and and maybe we should end on what are we
hoping will happen in the future. I guess myself, I

(01:10:25):
hope that you know, that things become unclassified, like for instance,
the video Dean that you talked about, Luna said it
was crystal clear, and we kept hearing from Lou Alizondo.
There was a twenty eight minute video that we're going
to see that we never actually have seen. But I
mean there's I think the evidence is there. I think

(01:10:47):
it's for some reason, it's being covered up or there's
some type of threat that you know, I've often thought that,
you know, they don't know the full picture, so they
can't They got to be careful with what they let
out because they just don't know everything, and they can't
say they can protect us. But we'll see what happens

(01:11:08):
in twenty twenty six. But this has been a lot
of fun. I enjoying it very much. I'm glad you
were able to join, Matt. We're going to go to
jack your next Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
I mean, it was an excellent year. I got no
complaints being an experiencer myself. The one thing that I
felt like this year may have lacked, in my opinion,
that I look forward to in the future, Martin and
everybody is, you know, seeing a film like Age of Disclosure,
But instead of I see focused, I want to see
one hundred and ten percent experiencer focused, just regular normal

(01:11:41):
people who have things happen in them in their lives
that they see stuff. I mean, I know, for me,
I had my UFO experience back in twenty twenty two
and I was about two hundred to three hundred feet
away from this thing. It was a blowing red orb
and it totally rocked my world. It was the weirdest
thing I think I've ever seen, and it blinked out
the flash and I remember at the time, I'm not

(01:12:02):
pretending to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but
in that moment, I had never seen In my defense,
I've never seen anything like that before, and I literally
thought it vanished, But after doing research, I feel like
it was still there. It just shut off its luminosity.
It's bright lights, and I think it was still hanging there.
It just got so dark that somehow it was darker
than the night sky behind it, which I've never seen

(01:12:23):
anything get that dark before in my life. I thought
I was seeing spots in my vision like you do
at the beach when you look up at the sun
for too long or something. But anyways, it would be
great to see a film. And I don't know, Dean,
I know you had said that you have something in
the works coming down in the future that's experience or focused,
but it would be great to almost not be like
a parody, but almost mirror what age of disclosure did

(01:12:46):
except have it just be normal people explaining what has
happened to them and just lay it out there these experiencers.
I feel like the discussion for in the UFO community
is so focused around the IC some at times, which
as it should be. It has its place in UFO lore, absolutely,
but we I feel like we kind of get sidetracked
and we forget that this is happening to all of

(01:13:07):
us all over the globe and it has been for
hundreds of years. I just feel like discussed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I'm waiting for my funding from the government. It is
actually done, and it is exactly that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
It's so funny. It is exactly that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
I mean, we have we have some classic abduction cases
that we look at, and we have some new testimony
inside of that and some new mic drops, but it
is also people that you've never seen before who discover
real time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
I'll leave it at that, sorry, So Jan, Jane Dean,
we'll get back up. We'll have Ali and justin go.
But let's uh, while we have you right here, why
don't we just play your trailer and yeah, yeah, so
here we go, I hope.

Speaker 6 (01:13:56):
Quick shout out to everybody in the chat.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Yeah, we go chat. Can you make that full screen?

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
Yeah, that's full scream of Martin yep at the right corner.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Eventually, everything started out normally, you might have to back
it up.

Speaker 8 (01:14:14):
You see what's set and started pointing, Chord renders the forest.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
All right, all right, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
It was unlike anything I'd ever seen before.

Speaker 8 (01:14:33):
Everything started out normally. You see him upset and started pointing,
Chord renders the forest.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
We just looked at each other for a minute and
looked back up at the sky.

Speaker 8 (01:14:50):
There was no sound at all.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Multiple witnesses, military personnel.

Speaker 8 (01:14:59):
Emotions were all the place, scared at all.

Speaker 9 (01:15:17):
Most science documentaries look at an encounter with extraterrestrial civilization
from our point of view.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
But let's turn it upside down.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
Simply the hypothesis that we lived in a computer simulation.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
The question comes up, who created the simulation?

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
It was observing us, It was communicating My questions are
where to come from?

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
That they maybe be us in the future.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
We cannot assume that they're just one hundred years more
advanced than us.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
If allans are intelligent, they're also curious. Here we are
we come in peace.

Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
On the front page of the New York times it
was a big deal.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
I don't know whether there are other countries that would
like to get their hands on this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
What are the next steps? All right, let's see that
may be a sorry about that if I screwed something up.
All right, we back, m No, we're not quite back. Okay,

(01:16:38):
here we go. We're gonna we're gonna get this. We're
gonna get this. I don't know why it did what
it did, but here we go.

Speaker 7 (01:16:48):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Yeah yeah, dee, So why don't you run us through
that great job? You did such a great job with
your films.

Speaker 6 (01:16:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
I really like the editing of that trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
It was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Sure job, really guys.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
What you didn't see is at the ending we have
an interview with the RelA Aium. But anyway, it's probably nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Yeah, we took that one out. Yeah, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:17:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
It was too big for one doc, and so the
first doc ended up being if there are Aliens that
are visiting us? Where they're coming from? And like Matt
and Ali said, Jack said, it really comes down to
there's two masters.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
That we have to serve when we're making a documentary.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
One is for us, right, we want to see those
mic drops that no one else has brought, and we
want to tie in things theories and stuff kind of
like the Detective's you know, yarn in between, and we
have to deliver on that, which is a real big ask.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
And the other, more.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Importantly is to get the people who aren't aware of
this and to let them know this is grounded.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I mean, we want to NASA. We start there and
then we end up with like the simulated reality hypothesis.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
And and also it's the first time I think that
had ever been done is we had hand drawn animation
and so that's not cgi, that's animation by the guy
who's film won the Oscar Searching for Sugarman, who did
all the animation.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
It was great.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
It took a long time to get it done, and
so it got broken up into two films. So the
first one's called The Alien Perspective and part two is
called Life Beyond Earth, and those both came out last year.
Life Beyond Earth just came out about a month and
a half ago, and that looks at if they're here,
what are they doing? And so we look into if
you will, alien downloads, and so we discussed that and

(01:18:36):
a whole bunch of other things and doctor Dinah Pasolka
is the host of that one. So that's out now
on Amazon if you guys want to check it out.
But anyway, it's been crazy because it's been an eight
year journey and I thought the Hubris is, well, I'm
just going to do nine months. I do documentaries for
A and E, Bravo Discovery, no problem, and I'll do

(01:18:58):
fifteen interviews.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
And as you guys know, well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
You start with one person and they become patient zero,
and it goes on and on, and in my case,
it went on to sixty seven interviews, five countries, and
it just it took over my life. And so I
ended up turning down selling it to Netflix because they
wanted to take it and rework it with their own
little magic, and so it ended up being one doc

(01:19:24):
that became four docs. So again, the next one coming
out next year is called The Experiencers, and I hope
it's something that aspires to be the definitive movie on that.
And then the very last one I'm doing, which will
also come out last year, is the first documentary on
doctor John.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Mack Ooh, I can't wait for that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
That's going to be amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Yeah, it's a big fan of doctor Mack. Okay, so
let's continue on. We'll go back to you, Ali, So
what are you looking forward for in the future.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
In the future, honestly, I'm looking forward to doing more
collaborations like this. I'm a social butterfly. I think you
guys know that about me by now. I love getting
together with other people and talking and sharing ideas and
bouncing things off of each other. So for me, I'm
really looking forward to more content from everybody that's on
the screen right now. I'm looking forward to more collaborations
like this. I'm looking forward to Dean's new film that's

(01:20:20):
coming out. And one thing that I wanted to mention
because I saw somebody mention it in the chat is
Steven Spielberg's movie Disclosure Day. Oh yeah, like what, oh
my god, I've you guys seen that trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
That trailer that's really wild, looks really really good.

Speaker 6 (01:20:33):
And I find it interesting because I feel like, when
when we first heard about that movie, wasn't it supposed
to be called like the Dish or something. It had
like a very like nuts and bolts kind of term.
But now it's called Disclosure Day and it's talking about
like psionic assets and telepathy and communication. So now it's
kind of on the WU side, and you know me,
I love the WU train, So it's like, I'm looking
forward to more psionic WU related consciousness related phenomenon related conversations.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
Right and justin Yeah, I'm just happy speech Okay. I'm
really excited about this past year because I feel like
we have brought this message to so many more people
that were not involved in the UAP community before, or
disclosure community before. Sure, we've definitely reduced the stigma and
I feel like all of us on screen right now

(01:21:20):
have helped do that. And I feel like we've made
a lot of progress with it, especially with the UAP
hearings Doctor Beatrice ville rolls paper especially disclosure big deal, right, Yeah,
So I'm extremely happy with the progress we've made. There's
a lot more progress to be made, but I think

(01:21:41):
we have moved the goalpost definitely. With everything that's happened
over the past year.

Speaker 6 (01:21:46):
They need a lot of goalposts.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
You can reach it. Well, oh yeah, yeah, he's meant.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
And then we'll finish with you, Matt Gina, what do
you what do you hope for the future.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I feel like it's it started, but I want to
put a bow on it, which is I want people
to you know, knock off with the tinfoil hat crap. Luckily,
whenever this is being brought up, they don't queue the
X files anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
It's been legitimized.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
And again we have to give props to the people
who brought this, you know, brought this to a network
near you. And again that's luel Azando, and that's Ralph
Blumenthal and Lizla Kane and and Helena Cooper. Grateful for
that that continues going. So my goal is that we
see actual, real detailed footage that that gets released because

(01:22:40):
we know that that exists. I'm not expecting again an
alien tailpipe dropped on a hearing desk or I'm not
expecting an arm of an alien. But please let us
see that that footage and and stop the ridicule. And
if there's something that we need to know of what's
going on, bring it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
There we go.

Speaker 7 (01:22:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
And the one thing I thought of when I was
watching the trailer of disclosure Age of Disclosure, is there
were no tinfoil hats there. These were all very important
people talking and so yeah, policy make exactly. Yeah, and
someone just said something about tinfoil.

Speaker 6 (01:23:20):
Hat here silly.

Speaker 7 (01:23:26):
Billy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Yeah, thank you, Jean and Matt. We'll close with you.
What do you hope for the future and the aculated?

Speaker 7 (01:23:33):
Yeah? No, what what I hope for the future is
I'm looking forward to my new position at Arrow and
all I have to say is that there when I'm
when I leave there, I will be assuming a new
position at oak Ridge National Labs. Doctor Sean Kirkpatrick will
be We'll be bagging groceries at my local route, so.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
Too.

Speaker 7 (01:23:58):
No. I also I would say what I hope to
see in twenty twenty six, besides Sean working at my
grocery store, is really really more great whistleblowers coming forward.
I hope that annapolinea Luna who I have a huge

(01:24:19):
crush on, and Eric Burlason and others that they will
hold hold hearings, don't get discouraged about any of this.
And yeah, and actually I do want to say one
final thing, which Ali reminded me of with the whole
psionics thing right now, Wall Street Journal reporters Joel Schckman

(01:24:41):
and a Runa Viswanatha trying to trying to co opt
psionic operators former Jaysok people to do a story. And
basically this story is going to try and frame, as
I've heard from more than one source, try and whistle
blowers as grifters. So you know, they're they're gonna do

(01:25:04):
what they can, which again, this is all part of
this IO campaign coming out of the Legacy program in
the IC and d o d uh. They they want
to they want to do everything to paint these whistle
blowers as being in it for money because as soon
as they can do that, then then they can say
to Congress, hey, you're wasting all these taxpayer dollars. So

(01:25:25):
my message is, uh, to to tell everyone if you
hear from Joel Scheckman a ruin of this Wanatha or
anybody at the Wall Street Journal, don't talk to them
on the record. Don't talk to them off the record.
You want to starve them a material. And apparently they
are under some kind of high pressure deadline because they're

(01:25:47):
they're calling people like crazy, I mean shit, er called
me so uh you know, so who knows I'm joking?
But but anyway, yeah, we everybody needs to not give
these people any latitude. They're super, super sneaky. They're gonna
you know, they're talking to you with a smile on
their face and their fingers crossed behind their back.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Do not trust exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:26:10):
I got to tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
I sat with with Bob Sallas in California and he
told me that he was that reporter was acting like
his best friend. Oh yeah, and then slammed him. So
he was totally shocked at that whole line.

Speaker 7 (01:26:26):
Well, and Bob had told me that he was one
hundred percent certain that that when when Joel, when Joel
conducted the interview, that the interview had that the story
had already been written been, it had been, it had
been predetermined. And the thing I'll point out about Joel
Sheckman is, uh, some little birdies told me he actually

(01:26:47):
worked for an organization called the International Republic Republican Institute,
which is a c I, A cut out. So uh
yeah this, Uh don't trust these folks. They have they
have a really bad agenda.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Let me just underscore what Matt said on first of all,
good luck proving that I've gone to I don't know
how many conventions and spoken podcasts. No one makes money
at this guys. We have other things that we do.
Just to roll out your tax returns and say here,
I'm a grifter.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
I must suck at being a grifter.

Speaker 7 (01:27:25):
Yeah right, Dina, Diana, I'm gonna I'm actually gonna take
issue with that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
If you're Matt, of course you're making millions.

Speaker 7 (01:27:34):
No, no, oh god, I wish if you know, our
end of it doesn't make any money, but the skeptic
side makes huge amounts of money. If you go and
you you go to the I R S, go to
I r S dot gov and look for uh, look
for what is called the IR the form on two

(01:27:55):
skeptic organizations. One is Michael Shermer's, it's called the Skeptics Society.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:28:01):
He has he makes big Bukuo's money there. And then
the other one, which is the granddaddy of it all,
is called the Center for Inquiry. They're out of Amherst,
New York. Last year, I think they had somewhere around
eight million in revenue.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
They they have is that Micwest?

Speaker 7 (01:28:19):
Well, well they have They have something on their I
R S Form nine to ninety called a Secular Relocation Fund,
and it is a fund dedicated to UH bloggers and
journalists that they pay to push the skeptics point of view.
So anybody can go on the I R S website.

(01:28:40):
Have a look and you'll understand, Uh, the you know
how how backwards things are when people like Dean and
myself and and others are are not making any money
at this. But boy, those skeptics, they're rolling in the dough.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
So we're playing for the wrong team.

Speaker 7 (01:28:57):
Yeah, we're playing for the wrong team.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
He's the is.

Speaker 7 (01:29:01):
It is insane when you look. And here's the other
thing I will point out as well. For instance, Michael Shermer,
the way he set up his his nonprofit. He I
forgot the schedule. I think it's scheduled B, but he
is filing as I have to look it up. But

(01:29:22):
this specific schedule that allows him to hide donors above
two thousand. It's either two thousand dollars or five thousand dollars.
So unless you have donors that are giving you chunks
of it's again either two or five thousand dollars. He
can file that and that information is redacted. The public

(01:29:46):
doesn't get to see the amount. Only the irs gets
to see that. And then the last thing I'll close
with his Center for Inquiry, who I believe is really
kind of the one funding all of these people on
Twitter and whatnot. They if you look at their IRS
form ninety nine to ninety, they have multiple excuse me,

(01:30:08):
multiple large chunk donations from overseas contributors. And if I
remember it, it was like in like the either the
twenty or fifty thousand dollars range. So you'll when you
go when you look at their form nine ninety, you'll
see fifty thousand, fifty thousand, fifty thousand, A large chunk
of it was coming out of Russia, A large chunk

(01:30:29):
out of it was coming out of Southeast Asia. But
you know the way these organizations work is is they
are they are typically funded by private donors that they
don't have to disclose or foundations that are actually CIA cutouts.
The CIA sets these things up, you know, in a

(01:30:49):
couple different layers. So it's a way of the IC
funneling money and also the Legacy Program obviously funding money
into these a skeptic machines, and they are they're basically
their whole job is to push out media, to fight everything.
All of us in this room are trying to get

(01:31:09):
the truth out on they That is their job. They're
getting paid all a ship tons of money for it. Dean,
maybe you and I will make that kind of money
one day, I sure as I'll hope we will, but
certainly not joining Skeptic Society or Center for Inquiry.

Speaker 8 (01:31:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Now, you know, I actually had Michael Schumer on my
show in the past, and he was such a gentleman
you wouldn't believe it. Oh yeah, and uh so he
went into about how he thought he saw a UFO
and then then it was nothing. And that's what he does,
you know, like he like so everything is nothing, you know,

(01:31:47):
So that's kind of uh. I watched James Fox call
him out. I thought it was great.

Speaker 7 (01:31:53):
I think at some point I'll be doing a story
basically had been doing, uh downloading Twitter history of these
people like mcwest and Shermer and running it, running it
through uh paid versions of various various AI models, and

(01:32:13):
having it look for patterns that would indicate influence operations.
And I think you'll be really surprised about what I
found out about people like Shermer and some others. What
about green NIC's on camera but.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
He funded he works for a newspaper, right.

Speaker 7 (01:32:32):
Well just remember yeah, I mean remember Project Mockingbird and
the dirty little things the CIA was up to in
terms of of uh paying off American journalists editors and uh,
you know, let's let's just say that people like Joel
Scheckman and a ruin of this Wanatha, who are not

(01:32:53):
dumb people, uh, they're going to maybe do things that
they're told when they're reporting certain things. And remember what
I mentioned earlier, when the Legacy program brings you in
or you've got one foot in it and they tell
you to just keep doing your job as as you
always would. But then you're going to get a call

(01:33:14):
when there's going to be a favor that they're going
to ask. I'll just leave it at that, Mike drop.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
All right, Well let's end it on that. Thank you
all very much. It's been a real pleasure, and you
mark going to make a really I really appreciate It's
been a lot of fun. I've really enjoyed it a lot.
Yes too, Yeah, thank you, thank you for having us.

Speaker 7 (01:33:34):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
All right, So let me just do this this, this,
and so I'll be back next week with Len Philippo.
I believe that's how you pronounce his name. And also
just to let you know, coming up, I have a
James Fox is going to be on. He's going to
be talking about his new movie, which is Moment of Contact,
New Revelations basically, and that's going to be on the

(01:33:58):
twenty ninth of December at nine pm. Just a couple
of things I'm going to be changing starting January. First,
I'm going to be changing our Tuesday night show to
eight pm, so both shows will be at eight pm.
I did have a survey out there and I think
it's the best way to go, So there'll be eight
o'clock on Tuesday, eight o'clock on Thursday. So thank you

(01:34:19):
all very much. It's been a real pleasure. Thanks for
hanging in with us tonight, and do remember to keep
your eyes to the sky.

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