November 29, 2025 • 7 mins
by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear In the August 1975, APRO Bulletin, the front-page story, headlined “UFOs ‘Escort’ Mexican Aircraft” has details of a pilot’s reported UFO encounter. Backing him up is confirmation from the air traffic controller who was in contact at the time. What’s not included are details of the aftermath, which include reports by the witness of encounters with Men in Black. This part of the story can be found in the 1990 book, The UFO Silencers by Timothy Green Beckley, and in the 1997 British UFO Research publication (page 21 of the pdf) by Robert Bull, Men in Black: A Preliminary Report.According to the Bulletin, at 10:30 a.m. on May 3, 1974, 23-year-old Carlos Antonio de los Santos Montiel, took off from Zihuatenajo, state of Guerrero, in his Piper Aztec 24 with the registration, XB-XAU. He was headed for Mexico City on a cloudy day with poor visibility and had to climb to 14,500 feet to get above it.When he was over Tequesquitengo, he dropped down to try and get a look at Lake Tequesquitengo so he could verify his position. When he got below the clouds, fog and mist near the ground blocked his view of the lake, but his attention was quickly drawn to another matter altogether. To his right, he saw a 3-meter-diameter saucer with a cupula on top that had what looked like a small window and an antenna. He looked to his left and saw an identical object. Both were 20 centimeters above the wings and about 1 ½ meters from the cabin.
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MIB's in Mexico by Charles Lear in the August nineteen
seventy five APRO Bulletin, the front page story headlined UFO's
Escort Mexican Aircraft has details of a pilot's reported UFO encounter.
Backing them up is confirmation from the air traffic controller
who was in contact at the time. What's not included
(00:33):
are details of the aftermath, which include reports by the
witness of encounters with men in Black. This part of
the story can be found in the nineteen ninety book
The UFO Silencers by Timothy Green Beckley and in the
nineteen ninety seven British UFO Research Association publication by Robert
Bull Men in Black a preliminary report. According to the
(00:55):
Bulletin at ten thirty a m. On May third, nineteen
seventy four, twenty three old Carlos Antonio de la Santos
Montio took off from Zijuantino's state of Guerrero in his
piper Aztec twenty four with the registration x b x
a U. He was headed for Mexico City on a
cloudy day with poor visibility and had to climb to
(01:18):
fourteen thousand five hundred feet to get above it. When
he was over tequis Kitango, he dropped down to try
and get a look at Lake Techwis Kitango so he
could verify his position. When he got below the clouds,
fog and misted near the ground blocked his view of
the lake, but his attention was quickly drawn to another
matter altogether. To his right, he saw three meter diameter
(01:40):
saucer with a cupola on top that had what looked
like a small window and an antenna. He looked to
his left and saw an identical object. Both were twenty
centimeters above the wings and about one and a half
meters from the cabin. According to the bulletin, Montil told
officials the following I was petrified after I saw a
(02:01):
third object which seemed about to collide head on with
the windshield, but it went beneath the aircraft, and I
heard a strange noise from below, as though it had
collided with the underside of the plane. Montille noted that
his speed had decreased from one hundred and forty to
one hundred and twenty nautical miles per hour. He tried
to bank left in order to bump the left object
(02:22):
away but his controls were frozen. He tried lowering his
landing gear to deal with the object underneath him, but
found it wasn't functional. He then contacted the Mexico City
Airport control tower, and a transcript provided by APRO field
investigator Fernando J. Tellesperea is presented. Montill called in, saying
(02:43):
may day, and apparently was unable to hear a response.
He then described his situation Extra Alpha Union to Center Mexico.
My aircraft is out of control. I have no control
over it. I have three unidentified objects flying around me.
Three unidentified objects flying around me. One came under my
(03:03):
aircraft and hit it. The landing gear is locked in
and the controls won't release them. My position, I'm on
the radio zero zero four from the v oor teklis Kitango.
I'm not controlling the plane. Center Mexico. Can you hear me.
It doesn't seem that Montille was able to hear anything
from the tower, but he was eventually put in radio
(03:25):
contact with his uncle, who was an authority on aircraft.
The runways were closed at the airport and preparations were
made for an emergency landing. As Montille got close to
the airport, his elevation had gone from fifteen thousand feet
to fifteen thousand, eight hundred feet. Then the saucer on
the left moved over the cabin until it was above
(03:47):
the saucer on the right, and then both flew off together.
There is no mention of the third saucer. Monteille circled
the airport eight times as he tried to lower the
landing gear using a screwdriver on the control oculum, and
finally managed to do so. He then landed on the
grass between two runways at one thirty four p m.
(04:08):
Where emergency vehicles were waiting. He was taken to the
airport clinic and it was determined that he was not
under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Two days later,
he underwent tests to determine whether flying too high without
oxygen had caused him to hallucinate. Doctor Luis Amazuka, chief
(04:28):
of the Mexico City Airport's Aviation Medicine department, gave his
opinion that Montille was suffering from low blood sugar because
he had skipped breakfast, and inferred that this was the cause.
Details of Montille's reported at my be encounters are on
page seventeen of the buffor publication by Robert Bull. According
(04:48):
to Bull, Montille's case got a lot of publicity, much
to his embarrassment. He reluctantly agreed to appear on a
TV show hosted by Pedro Fries, and on his way
to to the studio, a black Ford Galaxy limousine pulled
in front of him, and he saw an identical car
behind him. Both looked brand new. He was forced to
(05:10):
pull over and stop, and as he went to get
out of his car, he saw four tall men with
broad shoulders get out of their cars and walk towards him.
They looked Scandinavian, with very pale skin, and were wearing
black suits. One of them went to Monteille's door, put
his hand on it and prevented Montiale from getting out.
(05:30):
With a mechanical tone. He said in Spanish, look, boy,
if you value your life and your families too, don't
talk any more about this sighting of yours. Montille was stunned, speechless,
and obediently turned his car around and drove home. Two
days later, Montiale described his experience to Fariz, who told
(05:53):
him he had heard similar stories from other witnesses. Montille
was convinced to proceed with the interview, and it went
forward without incident. According to bull j ellen Hainik was
in Mexico two months later and got in touch with
Montille after hearing about his case. He invited Montille to
his hotel and he went. After first going for a
(06:14):
job interview at Mexicana Airlines. Montille was walking up the
steps of the hotel when he was confronted by one
of the men who had threatened him. The man said,
you were already warned once you are not to talk
about your experience. Montille tried to explain that he was
only responding to an invitation, and the man pushed him
(06:34):
sharply back several feet and said, look, I don't want
you to make problems for yourself. And why did you
leave your house at sixth this morning? Do you work
for Mexicana Airlines. Get out of here and don't come
back once again. Montiale obeyed. When talking to Jerome Clark
two years later, he said, they were strange. They were huge,
(06:57):
taller than Mexicans are, and they were so white. But
the strangest thing of all is that all the while
they were in my presence, I never saw them blank
Beckley interviewed Heinech and includes his comments on the case
in his book. Heinech confirmed that Montiale had failed to
show up, but said he came back the following Saturday.
Heinech said he interviewed Monteille for two hours and invited
(07:20):
him to have breakfast on Monday. Montelle didn't show up
for that and explained that he had again been threatened
by the same man. Charles Lear is the author of
The Flying Saucer Investigators, available in its second edition at
Amazon dot com. A
MIB's in Mexico by Charles Lear in the August nineteen
seventy five APRO Bulletin, the front page story headlined UFO's
Escort Mexican Aircraft has details of a pilot's reported UFO encounter.
Backing them up is confirmation from the air traffic controller
who was in contact at the time. What's not included
(00:33):
are details of the aftermath, which include reports by the
witness of encounters with men in Black. This part of
the story can be found in the nineteen ninety book
The UFO Silencers by Timothy Green Beckley and in the
nineteen ninety seven British UFO Research Association publication by Robert
Bull Men in Black a preliminary report. According to the
(00:55):
Bulletin at ten thirty a m. On May third, nineteen
seventy four, twenty three old Carlos Antonio de la Santos
Montio took off from Zijuantino's state of Guerrero in his
piper Aztec twenty four with the registration x b x
a U. He was headed for Mexico City on a
cloudy day with poor visibility and had to climb to
(01:18):
fourteen thousand five hundred feet to get above it. When
he was over tequis Kitango, he dropped down to try
and get a look at Lake Techwis Kitango so he
could verify his position. When he got below the clouds,
fog and misted near the ground blocked his view of
the lake, but his attention was quickly drawn to another
matter altogether. To his right, he saw three meter diameter
(01:40):
saucer with a cupola on top that had what looked
like a small window and an antenna. He looked to
his left and saw an identical object. Both were twenty
centimeters above the wings and about one and a half
meters from the cabin. According to the bulletin, Montil told
officials the following I was petrified after I saw a
(02:01):
third object which seemed about to collide head on with
the windshield, but it went beneath the aircraft, and I
heard a strange noise from below, as though it had
collided with the underside of the plane. Montille noted that
his speed had decreased from one hundred and forty to
one hundred and twenty nautical miles per hour. He tried
to bank left in order to bump the left object
(02:22):
away but his controls were frozen. He tried lowering his
landing gear to deal with the object underneath him, but
found it wasn't functional. He then contacted the Mexico City
Airport control tower, and a transcript provided by APRO field
investigator Fernando J. Tellesperea is presented. Montill called in, saying
(02:43):
may day, and apparently was unable to hear a response.
He then described his situation Extra Alpha Union to Center Mexico.
My aircraft is out of control. I have no control
over it. I have three unidentified objects flying around me.
Three unidentified objects flying around me. One came under my
(03:03):
aircraft and hit it. The landing gear is locked in
and the controls won't release them. My position, I'm on
the radio zero zero four from the v oor teklis Kitango.
I'm not controlling the plane. Center Mexico. Can you hear me.
It doesn't seem that Montille was able to hear anything
from the tower, but he was eventually put in radio
(03:25):
contact with his uncle, who was an authority on aircraft.
The runways were closed at the airport and preparations were
made for an emergency landing. As Montille got close to
the airport, his elevation had gone from fifteen thousand feet
to fifteen thousand, eight hundred feet. Then the saucer on
the left moved over the cabin until it was above
(03:47):
the saucer on the right, and then both flew off together.
There is no mention of the third saucer. Monteille circled
the airport eight times as he tried to lower the
landing gear using a screwdriver on the control oculum, and
finally managed to do so. He then landed on the
grass between two runways at one thirty four p m.
(04:08):
Where emergency vehicles were waiting. He was taken to the
airport clinic and it was determined that he was not
under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Two days later,
he underwent tests to determine whether flying too high without
oxygen had caused him to hallucinate. Doctor Luis Amazuka, chief
(04:28):
of the Mexico City Airport's Aviation Medicine department, gave his
opinion that Montille was suffering from low blood sugar because
he had skipped breakfast, and inferred that this was the cause.
Details of Montille's reported at my be encounters are on
page seventeen of the buffor publication by Robert Bull. According
(04:48):
to Bull, Montille's case got a lot of publicity, much
to his embarrassment. He reluctantly agreed to appear on a
TV show hosted by Pedro Fries, and on his way
to to the studio, a black Ford Galaxy limousine pulled
in front of him, and he saw an identical car
behind him. Both looked brand new. He was forced to
(05:10):
pull over and stop, and as he went to get
out of his car, he saw four tall men with
broad shoulders get out of their cars and walk towards him.
They looked Scandinavian, with very pale skin, and were wearing
black suits. One of them went to Monteille's door, put
his hand on it and prevented Montiale from getting out.
(05:30):
With a mechanical tone. He said in Spanish, look, boy,
if you value your life and your families too, don't
talk any more about this sighting of yours. Montille was stunned, speechless,
and obediently turned his car around and drove home. Two
days later, Montiale described his experience to Fariz, who told
(05:53):
him he had heard similar stories from other witnesses. Montille
was convinced to proceed with the interview, and it went
forward without incident. According to bull j ellen Hainik was
in Mexico two months later and got in touch with
Montille after hearing about his case. He invited Montille to
his hotel and he went. After first going for a
(06:14):
job interview at Mexicana Airlines. Montille was walking up the
steps of the hotel when he was confronted by one
of the men who had threatened him. The man said,
you were already warned once you are not to talk
about your experience. Montille tried to explain that he was
only responding to an invitation, and the man pushed him
(06:34):
sharply back several feet and said, look, I don't want
you to make problems for yourself. And why did you
leave your house at sixth this morning? Do you work
for Mexicana Airlines. Get out of here and don't come
back once again. Montiale obeyed. When talking to Jerome Clark
two years later, he said, they were strange. They were huge,
(06:57):
taller than Mexicans are, and they were so white. But
the strangest thing of all is that all the while
they were in my presence, I never saw them blank
Beckley interviewed Heinech and includes his comments on the case
in his book. Heinech confirmed that Montiale had failed to
show up, but said he came back the following Saturday.
Heinech said he interviewed Monteille for two hours and invited
(07:20):
him to have breakfast on Monday. Montelle didn't show up
for that and explained that he had again been threatened
by the same man. Charles Lear is the author of
The Flying Saucer Investigators, available in its second edition at
Amazon dot com. A
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