October 6, 2025 • 52 mins
Cameron and Katie dive into the joys and quirks of living the DINK (Double Income, No Kids) lifestyle. In this episode, they share tales from their spontaneous European adventure, discuss the freedom of child-free travel, and explore the societal expectations around having kids.
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There's a new term buzzing on the Internet, Dink.
Dual income? No, kid, you probably have an
opinion on these people or an opinion on people who have an
opinion on these people. America's birth rate has hit its
lowest point in more than a century.
Some are blaming it on infertility.
Others say the state of the world is causing couples to
think twice about having children.
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Childless marriages could be a good thing if they were a result
of God's sovereign providential work.
Oh my God, can't even. Hear you.
They like avocado toast and brunches out and going to plays
and having sweet vacations. Yeah, you're probably super
selfish. Kids are better than brunch.
Wrong. And then there's another group
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of young couples that want the lifestyle of childless
households and the lifestyle it brings with it.
Thanks. Welcome to The DINK Side, the
podcast about life, laughs and living child free.
Where a double income, no kids couple navigating the UPS, downs
and hilarious inbetweens of choosing a different path in a
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world that won't stop asking. So when are you having kids?
So when are you having kids? I am Cameron, that is KDK
comedy. Hi everyone, welcome to episode
3. Yes, what a what a girthy
episode we have in mind. We're stacked today.
Stacked. Katie and I just got back from a
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wonderful trip. We travelled kind of sort of
last minute. It's probably the the most I I
would say it was the most last minute trip we've ever booked in
terms of the size. But we went to Europe, we went
to France and then we went to Spain and it was delightful.
You guys, this is one of the bigbenefits of a DINK lifestyle is
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that you can travel not once, sometimes twice a year.
Yeah, if you're doing, if you'replaying your cards right.
And we didn't have to hire a babysitter or call grandma or
hire an au pair or, I don't know, pay for two extra plane
tickets for two children. Yeah, so.
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It was helpful. So we went on this trip and we
flew Air Tahiti, which we did not know even existed before it.
Kind of seemed like a scam at first because we'd never heard
of it and they have this like very Moana Lilo and Stitch
website and they even have like their economy class is called
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Moana Premium or something. It is, yeah.
And so it sounds like a fake airline, completely like a
Disneyland experience. And turns out they're just a
really cute airline and all of the flight attendants wear
Hawaiian shirts. Yeah, and here's here's my tip
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when it comes to like traveling,if I ever were to have one, I'm
not a travel expert by any stretch of the imagination.
You are really good at finding like TikTok hacks and things
like that when it comes to traveling abroad
internationally. I think a lot of people build it
up in their head like it's the most expensive way or thing to
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do, which in a lot of cases is true.
But if you're willing to cramp yourself up in economy you can
get across the pond for not thatmuch money.
I think we found round trip tickets for like 700 bucks
which. I think if we would have just
done Spain or France round trip,it was like 550 and then because
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we added Spain then it we added a couple $100 because of the
flight to Spain or I mean not the flight like the difference
in leaving from Spain blah, blah, blah.
So we we added money and it was still under $1000.
Like that's crazy. And I don't know about you, but
like I have never in my entire life flown any sort of first
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class, business class, regular first class, the lay flat seats
that a lot of people do. The most we've ever done is the
economy plus the extra leg room ones like the mini upgrade.
I've never tasted business classor first class in my life so we
don't know what we're missing yet.
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Which is fine, we should keep itthat way as long as possible.
I think we should keep it that way because when we were, when
we checked into the flight leaving from LA to go to Paris,
that's where we had to fly into.They were asking if we wanted to
upgrade and the the cost to upgrade per ticket per person to
one of those lay flat situationswas 1900 dollars.
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Right, which is just another trip altogether.
Like you might as well just booka trip to Dubai and call it a
day then. Right, like you, that is.
You have to wait until you really have fuck you money to
even consider doing something like that.
But then also the upgrade is silly 'cause if you had money to
upgrade you would have just booked it to begin with, right?
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Exactly. That's what I don't understand.
Like you, you have people at theairport who are about to get on
the flight. If you take off and there's four
of those empty, guarantee that you could have gotten somebody
like us to upgrade for like 150 bucks.
Why not do that? Why not charge?
Right, 'cause then we would havebeen like, yeah, we would have
been like, Yolo, we don't have kids.
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We can spend 150 to upgrade for the first time in our lives.
Have you ever Where do you standon this?
I feel like I know where you stand on this, but there are
people who book. There are parents who book first
class tickets and then make their kids fly in coach.
I fully support this. Oh my God, if they're old enough
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to not die in coach, then yeah. There's nowhere they can go.
There's nowhere they can go. There's nothing really bad that
could happen besides they're just watching movies together.
I guess I would be they would have to be old enough where you
can threaten them because what if they you have no idea and
they're just annoying everyone around them?
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Like, aggressively annoying. That's true.
I think they need to be above the age of 10, probably in
order. To be old enough to where they
think it's cool that they get tobe left alone, but they don't.
But you can threaten them. If I hear from the flight
attendants that you're botheringpeople around you, you don't.
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You get to. I would say if I hear from the
flight attendants, you're bothering people around you.
The whole entire first day of our trip, you are staying in the
hotel room and you don't get to come out.
I think that's a good. I think that's perfect, I think.
That's and again, some people might think well that's horrible
and to you I say good thing we never have to find out 'cause
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I'm not going to be a parent like you know what I mean?
Yeah, but they also have they have tiny little legs.
It's not like they need copious amounts of leg room.
I did they need to also it's part of the earn it mentality.
You need to earn first class andearn like the right to sit
upgrade yourself. You need at least earn money,
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have a job. Yeah, I completely agree.
I complete. I think it's similar to like,
you don't take your kids to a steakhouse.
You mom and dad go to the steakhouse, the kids get to have
McDonald's. You know, it's a it's a waste of
money to take kids to a steakhouse like that.
In the same way that. Yeah.
I mean like that. Sure.
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Yeah, like then Outback is different.
Yeah, if it's like a Roadhouse, whatever.
But if it's like a, you know, whatever, Larson's or Ruth's
Chris or like something nicer. Also, I think you just took a
sip. Cheers.
Inherently, what we're doing right now is DINK life in the
middle of the day on a Sunday, recording a podcast and drinking
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rose. Why?
Because we're not at some child soccer game or a baby shower.
Thank you. So.
Much cheers. Cheers to that.
It's a very it's a delightful Sans Serre Rose.
Yeah, I didn't know Sans Serre made Rose, but here we are today
figuring that out together. We got so lucky on this flight
because on the way there we had nobody in our row.
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So we had a row to ourselves andthen on the way back, yes, there
was somebody there, but on both legs of the trip we did not have
kids immediately around us. Thank you, Lord.
I think that that one time we went to London and the kid kept
grabbing my head that it has made it into my, you know, stand
up comedy at this point as well.I think that that karmically
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that flight alone where the and he crying the whole 11 hours.
We didn't sleep once because of the child.
They changed its diaper on the tray table behind us.
There was so much bad in that one flight that I think
karmically it filled up our whole like our well of like
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possibilities. And I think that we are cleansed
now for the rest of flights to not be stuck next to the
psychotic child. I hope so.
I hope that's actually accurate because there was, there was one
dad who I felt so bad for and itwas on our flight, it was our
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flight home. So this dad was probably 6 or 7
rows ahead of us. They were not around us and he
didn't have babies. He had like, you know, 9/10/12
year old kids, whatever. He had two kids with them.
About an hour into the flight, they realized their whole row of
televisions were not working. And then the dad was like, OK.
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And so they didn't, they didn't have any alternate form of
entertainment. And so the him and the two kids
just sat there for 10 more hours.
And I'm like, dude, I'm not trying to dad shame.
But you should probably have backup with you, you know?
I mean, I guess, but like the whole plan that a lot of people
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plan is just watching a few movies in a row and sleeping and
they don't want to bring a ton of what else is he supposed to
bring? Yeah, I don't know.
Now, do you think in that scenario that he should have
gotten compensated in some way? I so it was interesting.
He I think he was trying to withthe flight attendant, but I'm
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pretty sure in that scenario, it's like you're guaranteed with
the purchase of a ticket to get from A to B.
So you're still getting from A to B.
So in that sense, we don't owe you anything.
However, they were trying to throw like freeze snacks his
way. Like do you want an extra thing?
Do you want another, you know, hot dog or do you want another
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whatever? The meal was a waffle.
So they were trying to help him out, but I don't.
It's God. I would be like, oh.
Wouldn't you? My God.
Like obviously at that point, I don't know if there were any
open seats on the plane. I don't know if I saw any or
whatever, but wouldn't you say like, hey, are there literally
any open seats? Because we'll all split up so we
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can watch something. Like that's what I would have
asked, I would have said are there any open seats were there
within like I range of me, but they.
Were old enough. That's true, yeah.
They put them in the overhead bin.
If there's ATV in there, let it ride.
But yeah, I mean, it was we, we were very lucky.
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God, the flight's back Suck. But there's nothing you can do
about that. You spent a week walking around
and your body's tired and it's awhole thing.
And I don't understand how people sleep.
Throbbing. I don't understand it.
We have to get we we should be professionals by now, but we
have to get that like turtleneckthing that holds your head up
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nice. We definitely.
Yeah, I want the one that goes like around the the head rest,
you know what I'm saying? That like straps you to the
chair. Me that you wanted that and then
I thought I ordered it for you. I thought you did too.
I don't know if it ever came. I think it was a TikTok shop
thing. I have purchased two things on
TikTok shop that never came. You have to check if you have
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our old address in there. No, I'm telling you, before we
moved, I ordered them like a year ago and they never came.
One of them, one of them was thething that would allow me to
watch television in the car. Oh well, I think the universe
just did its thing then. Yeah, rude.
Whatever. Also that sounds fake and why
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would you ever think that was available on TikTok shop?
Because it is there. I constantly get fed that on
TikTok shop. It's all over the place.
Whatever, I will say that the one thing, yes, we got lucky on
our flights, yes, I'm grateful, yes, we booked this last minute
trip, blah, blah. I cannot stand this new thing
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that I'm seeing. It's not just on planes, but
it's more apparent on planes. People are adults alike, but
they're just letting their children open mouth cough with
no covering of the hands. We're not even telling them to
cover their fucking mouth or, orcough into your hoodie or cough
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into the your arm or cough into your armpit or cough into a
napkin or whatever. Your hands, whatever.
They're just hacking up a lung, open mouth.
Always that like, you know, whenkids have that like really deep
flirty cough where it's like andyou're like, oh, I'm instantly
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going to get sick from that. It's it's super wet.
It's all I mean I assume it's all who knows.
But if you don't, if you're a parent that doesn't give a shit
that your kids open mouth coughing, I'm also willing to
bet they're unvaccinated. So.
IA 100% and I I have vivid memories of when I was a kid
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both at home and in school. They taught me that I need to
cover my mouth with my elbow. They taught me to sneeze into my
arm. They taught me to cough into a
tissue into into my arm. I don't feel like at home and at
school they're just not teachingit anymore.
They're just like go. For it, I thought that COVID
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would at least some carryover from COVID would be that sort of
respect. Or like hand sanitizer or
wearing a mask on planes 'cause I still wear a mask on planes a
lot where there was so many people hacking up along.
I wore a mask on most of our flight and I still do it on my
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way to shows and stuff. Whenever I everyone's hacking
and it's flu season, I'll wear amask still.
Whatever. I do I it is surprising that
there's a lot of things post COVID that I would have thought
this is just going to stay this way because now we're over
sensitized to it and it feels like we we course corrected back
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in the opposite direction hard. Like when we were in Europe,
there were several places where we were waiting in line or
walking through a museum and people were just in our shit
social. Distancing is dead.
Where? Yeah, people were inside of my
asshole, Yeah. While we were waiting in line.
Yeah. Yeah.
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Not my favorite part of being inlarge, like, areas where there's
large groups of people, but you know, it's worth it to me to be
in a horde of people to see likethe most beautiful cathedral
I've ever seen in my life. Like, yes, I'll deal with
someone up my butt hole, but it's it's just crazy because
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it's like, does it need to be like this?
No, it never needs to be like that.
It's always, always way over thetop.
But we did have an amazing trip.And at risk of sounding preachy,
genuinely travel is at the top of our list of reasons as to why
we've chosen the DINK lifestyle.It's exciting to be able to go
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on a trip like this kind of lastsecond and then to come back and
go. We get to plan our next one and.
Yeah, to not be like feeling like, OK, now we're paying this
off for a few years or whatever.We're just like excited to see
more of the world. And yeah, it's helpful.
I, I'll be honest though. So we, we moved, we got that out
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of the way or we, we did our trip, we got that out of the
way, Both good things. I don't mean get it out of the
way in a negative way. And now I have been feeling the
itch since we've gotten back forthe last four days of like, I, I
feel like I need to find like the next thing to buy my
Facebook is feeding me cars and feeding me art and all kinds of
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things on Facebook marketplace. I'm getting hit with it left,
right and center. And I, I want to be financially
responsible, but it does feel good to be in a place where
we've lowered our monthly bills and now it's like, oh, should we
do something kind of, should we get something kind of fun?
I don't know. I've been like, I've been
looking at the these Volkswagen buses, like these old Volkswagen
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buses this week. I'm like, I don't know, those
are pretty cool. You're a lunatic.
OK, but if you got a Volkswagen bus, you're saying you would get
rid of the Kia or trade back in the Kia, right?
Like you're not Or sell the Kia.Because it would be my primary
driver, yeah. Right.
You're not talking about being so crazy that we just have a
third car. No, no, no, no.
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It's not God that would bankruptus in California with insurance
on three cars. We would have to live on the
street, you know. So we're not talking about being
that irresponsible, we're just talking about switching out
cars. But it is funny, like I, I had a
moment. Talking about cars under
$10,000, Yes. Yeah, I know.
Yeah, definitely under $10,000. I don't know if I could ever, at
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this point I could ever buy a car over 10 grand again.
It just like stresses me out. Well also I would never want to
buy a car over 10 grand that we don't have a garage to park it
in. Exactly.
Like I would never want to St. Park like a $20,000 car.
I don't. Know so it it's funny though,
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because I like we're very happy and proud to be DINK life
people, right? We as, as you know, by
listening, we are on the DINK side.
That being said, every now and then I will do something that
does make me feel a little silly.
And Speaking of spending money on things, I went to Costco the
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other day and they had a a Game Boy man out of Legos that was
just released this week. I saw that and I was like, is
that for your nephew or is that for you?
No, so I, I'm walking through Costco, I see the Lego just
released this Game Boy and I waswalking by it and I was like,
that looks cool. And I I don't I don't regularly
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buy Legos 'cause they are dust collectors, but this one kind of
scratches multiple inches for me.
Can I guess the price? Yeah, OK.
Price is right. How big do you think it is?
The size of your head or. It's the size of a no.
It's the size of a Game Boy. Like it's supposed to look
exactly like a Game Boy. OK.
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And it's so like. It's in your hands.
I'm going to say $80. Incorrect.
It was 40 bucks. No way.
Yeah, yeah, so. But I felt so silly because as
I'm walking by it, it should have looked cool for.
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Your bestie. I thought about it, but it's not
really her thing like the Game Boy specifically.
But OK. So I'm walking by this Game Boy
at Costco, this Lego Game Boy atCostco, and I'm thinking to
myself, that looks fun. Maybe I should buy that.
And the cool thing is like I canright?
But as I walked up to it to grabit, there was like 4 kids
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grabbing 1. And I'm like I feel I feel a
little ridiculous. And then the mom was like
grabbing and he said oh this should be good for your little
brother. He loves these.
And I'm like, OK, I'm 35. What's the age on it like on the
box? I know.
I think that I, I think it's oneof those things where it's like
6 and up or 8 and up. So it's technically for anyone.
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And you are 8 and up, you know. I am above 8.
That's verifiably true, but it did make me feel a little silly.
And that happens every now and then where I'm like, I can spend
money on this, but I feel a little silly doing it.
I don't know. And I'm sure there's going to be
many more things that are on that list.
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Yeah, I mean right behind you even right now is the.
What do you call that? The.
Arcade one up machine? Yes, arcade one up machine.
And that's a purchase that, you know, we just again, Costco,
right? Yeah, Costco gets me.
Costco's the place. Costco is probably, if you had
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to pull all people, all people our age who have chosen the DINK
lifestyle, guaranteed their favorite store is Costco.
Yeah. Almost guaranteed Kirkland
aficionados. But the little arcade machine,
like, that's something that was another purchase that was just
kind of on a whim, a silly purchase that maybe we wouldn't
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have made if we were spending money on children.
Or maybe something we would havebought only for children but for
like a Christmas gift? Right.
And I thought it was so funny literally earlier today we to be
clear, we have a stroller for our dogs and today we were
looking at another stroller thatcould fit a double Decker dog
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situation. It was a double Decker so that
we could put our dogs in the topand my mom's dog in the bottom.
I know, but it's just so funny. Like we literally have friends
that are about to have a baby. And I was talking to this friend
the other day. I'm like, what kind of things do
you need? He's like, oh, you know, we'll
need a stroller at some point. Like we just bought one for our
dog. Yeah, do you want to?
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Use that one. I It's just crazy.
My best friend said that in thismonth alone she's been to four
baby showers. So I don't know if it's just
like a super popular time of year like that people are giving
birth all in the fall or that they're all having baby showers
at the same time, or just like apopular year to be pregnant.
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I don't know. Or I guess because we're all in
our early 30s, this is when people have babies.
But I can't imagine four baby one baby shower is like a lot.
Emotionally 4 and financially like 4 gifts for four babies is
kind of a lot. I don't.
Know that's a lot. That's a lot of I don't, I don't
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think I've ever been formally invited to a baby shower.
Yeah, we were invited to your cousins, but we just were out of
state. That's true.
That's true. I take that back.
Shout out to the only cool people that have a kid.
No, I'm kidding. I know honestly, they do great.
They, they, I think that my cousin is an example of like, if
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we chose to have a kid, we wouldprobably handle it like they are
right. They're taking that baby
everywhere. They're socializing it, they're
still going on trips and stuff and they're either bringing the
kid or leaving the kid. I'm and we were able to they did
like an online registry so we were able to like send something
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anyways. Support that way, yeah.
But they also I respect the factthat on their baby registry they
had stuff of every single price point.
So it wasn't like oh buy me the $700.00 stroller.
It was like cute little. I remember we got them like
animal themed like burp clothes and things like that.
I just googled how much is supposed like supposed to be the
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spend for a baby shower gift? What?
What would you spend on a baby shower gift?
I would say $40. What is the average?
25 to 50 for a Co worker or acquaintance, 50 to 100 for a
friend or relative, 100 plus fora close family member or best
friend. So 100 depends.
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Yeah. It's similar to a wedding where
for the weddings that we've beento, we give $100 check, right?
Yeah, I think generally speaking, that's the requirement
or the heavy, heavy suggestion. But there are too many of these
holidays and events. Yeah, there's so much pressure
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that we put on each other to buygifts and do cards and all these
things and it's like. OK well we only have like one
other friend having a baby and all the rest of our friends are
committed to the DINK life. That is true.
We have primarily DINK friends. So we can go, you know, we can
ball out for your best friend's baby shower coming up and get
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them something really cool. But what do you think with all
the money we're saving, not going to baby showers that our
other friends are going to? What's like a crazy purchase
that you would like to spend themoney on that's not for a baby?
I've thought a lot about this because we're not having kids,
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we get to spend money on some things or plan on spending some
of this money. And I think one of the things at
the top of my list I want to expand and legitimize my
collection of watches. This is what I've decided.
I yes, some of the new ones are cool and fancy and fun, but I've
been particularly interested in finding like vintage
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wristwatches lately. Oh, vintage is cool, yeah.
Yeah, I think that that, for whatever reason, is at the top
of my list because I feel like that enhances my wardrobe.
It makes me look classy. I I think that's pretty high up
there. How about you?
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Yeah, I don't know. I was going to say either like
arts or record collection. Yeah, pieces of art for the
wall. Like vintage.
Because you've never been super into like bags and stuff like
that. No do.
You think there's you would everlike if we, let's say tomorrow
we were making $3,000,000 a year, would you be into bags at
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that point? Is it is it a money thing or is
it just not? I think I would want to find
like a really unique one maybe, but I don't think I would want
like 8 different ones. I think I would, I'd be like,
Oh, well, this can be my nice purse for if we go to like a
really fancy event or something in the entertainment industry
where you're like rubbing shoulders with people, then
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maybe I could have one nice prized possession.
But it's not really on the top of my list.
No. Yeah.
If we like built a house one day, which I don't really have
any interest in doing as we've just talked about, we're kind of
like over it right now, but I could but like crazy purchases
and Airstream, you know, I. Was going to say like one of
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those sprinter van things. The sprinter van, whatever.
Or like if we had a house I would want like heated floors, a
wine cellar like you. Live in California, what do you
need to be heated floors for? Are always blue.
I have rain odds. And no, I hear you right now.
I hear everyone going just wear socks.
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Just wear slippers. Hey, news flash.
I've thought of that. I do it and it doesn't work.
They're still cold inside the socks and slippers and they are
still blue. I have circulation issues, so I
need not just to be covered in asock or a slipper, I need there
to be radiating heat touching mybody.
So yeah, if I'm in a heated blanket not moving then I'm
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fine, but if I'm walking around the house my feet are cold all
the time, constantly, and I wantheated floors.
Thank you. And that is your pitch and we'll
be right back. Yeah, anyways.
God that's an interesting one. House luxury.
I don't this is going to be weird.
I have been super interested in getting a bidet recently and
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I've never used a bidet. What's gotten crazy with your
back end that you all of a sudden need a hose?
It's not. Are you good?
I don't get what it's. Not that anything has.
Gotten. Crazy.
It's not that anything has gotten crazy, but I think I'm, I
don't know. Since I've moved, since we moved
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recently, I've been more into like I want like the best
hygiene possible. Do you know what I'm saying?
What about moving from a house to an apartment makes you want
hygiene? I can't put a finger on it, I
really have no idea and maybe I'm just being radicalized by
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the Internet of people saying how much they enjoy a bidet, but
I feel like a bidet is somethingthat well established young
adults with no kids has. OK I have another question.
What's wrong with people with all these?
Oh I need diaper wipes and baby wipes?
Why don't you just get a baby bidet?
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Why don't you just spray your kids asshole with a bidet?
Why don't you set your kid on the bidet and call it the?
Kids often poop on the go. It's not like they wait.
Is this a Shark Tank invention? A baby bidet, that's.
Baby bidet, but it's battery operated.
Wait a second. Also let me.
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Write this down. Newsflash, it's sustainable and
you're not wasting a trillion fucking wipes and all this stuff
so. Yeah, I assume if you have a
baby bidet patent pending that you don't even need to use
diapers. Right.
Yeah. Completely eliminates that cost.
Yeah, it's fine. You just spray it right off.
I'm talking, do you know how many wipes, how many butt wipes
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people with babies go through? That's true.
A shit ton of wipes. That's true, no pun intended.
Oh shit ton. No pun very intended.
Anyway, What? Else is on your list though.
Do you have anything else that like you, you were like dying to
blow money on? I just.
Told I mean, I said wine cell. I said all.
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I've said a lot of things. Wine cellar is a good one too,
actually, yeah. Or like the wine wall that's
under the stairs. So instead of having, like, the
Harry Potter closet, you have like the wine wall.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I that's funny, like we don't
really host people a ton. We do occasionally, but for some
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reason I, I have this weird fantasy in my mind about having
the wine wall because I like this idea that somebody would
come over and we'd be hanging out and then all of a sudden I'd
be like, I have this 98 Bordeaux.
Should we crack it open? And, you know, I remember we
were in the South of France whenwe bought this many moons ago.
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And this seems like a special enough occasion to nowadays.
It's like we just buy the the wine we want to drink, you know?
Yeah, we're still in the phase where we don't just have bottles
sitting around, so. God, that would be, that's a
that's a status symbol thing. Yeah, I like it.
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Well, I, I'm surprised we haven't done this yet, but you
actually brought this up and I think it's a good call.
Cosmopolitan just put out a listof celebrities who do not want
to have kids. So these are celebrities who
have opened up about not wantingchildren.
OK, great. Some of them have a surprise,
some of them not so much. We've discussed this before.
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Seth Rogen on the very top of our list.
He and his wife don't want kids.He and his partner do not have
any interest in having that sortof family.
And I really enjoy the way he's described it in the past, which
is we don't need to leave some sort of legacy.
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We we spend so much time workingon our art and that's what we
want to do. And I love how simple that is.
It's not even we hate kids. We can't stand kids.
It's just this is not a a Ave. that we are wanting to go down
in life. And I feel like that is very
similar to to our stance, which is this is just not for us.
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And we respect our friends and family who have kids and we we
love them, but it's just not ourlot in life.
So Seth Rogen's definitely up there.
Also on the list, Miley Cyrus. Oh, well, hell yeah.
I mean, I don't know, I feel like I could have seen a world
where all of a sudden she is a big family person.
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But I love that for her, and I'mnot surprised by that.
I love what she said though. She said we just take and take
and expect to keep producing andit's exhausting.
I can't produce. We're getting handed a piece of
shit planet and I refuse to handthat down to my child until I
feel like my kid would live on an earth with fish in the water.
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I'm not bringing another person to deal with that.
I love that. Wow.
I love that. Also on the list, you know.
She's, she's a wise woman, Miley.
She's a wise woman, well, well beyond her years.
Jared Leto, also on the list. OK, here's the thing.
Jared Leto, I don't know if it'sso much your choice as much as
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like nobody wants to have a kid with you.
Just doing that out there. Well, is he historically like an
weirdo? I don't know, he doesn't he give
you weird vibes though? He does give me weird vibes and
I don't know that I see him likerunning around a park with a
child, you know? Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah. Rasheeda Jones Kind of surprised
by that one. Rasheeda Jones feels like a
person who's already like a successful mother.
We How sure are you? That.
She hasn't had a child because Ithought she was pregnant in a
show like actually. She does have a child.
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I'm so confused. OK, well, they pulled this this.
Is why This is why they pulled this quote from 2014 and she had
kids in 2018. Wait, what's the quote?
This is funny. Wait.
I'm happy. OK, Here's the quote.
I'm happy. But the fact that I'm not
married and don't have kids, it's taken me a long time to get
to a place where I'm actually OKwith that.
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That's the quote. And she is.
She has a kid. Yeah, she's she's dating or is
married to Ezra Koenig from Vampire Weekend.
OK, cool. There you go.
Yeah, Rashida, congratulations. I've been meaning to tell you.
Congrats, Rashida. Jennifer Aniston does not have
kids. Yeah, she also, I just want to
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know Jennifer Aniston's story oflike why she everyone like she
can't stay in a relationship, but she's just Miss Independent,
I think. She is, but this Jennifer
Aniston quote sounds like a KDK quote.
You may not have a child come out of your vagina, but that
doesn't mean you aren't mothering dogs, friends and
friends children. Nice, I like that.
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Crass, but true. I like that there's quotes
involved. RIP.
But Betty White is on the list. She well, legally, she can't
have kids. She hasn't been able to have
kids for quite some time, but. She lived the DINK life and
didn't regret it and helped likea trillion animals.
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Do they have a quote for Betty? Betty said.
I don't have kids and I've neverregretted it.
I'm so compulsive about stuff. I know that if I had ever gotten
pregnant, that would have been my whole focus.
But I didn't choose to have children because I'm focused on
my career. And I don't think, as impulsive
as I am, that I could manage both.
That's just wise. That's just.
Smart. You know The Who is not part of
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the DINK Life Club. That, I would think, would
absolutely be a DINK lifer who judge Judith Sheineland.
Yeah, I kind of feel that way about Eliza Schlesinger, too.
Yeah, you would think. Yeah, it's kind of surprising.
Here we are in a world where they both have children, but
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whatever. Couple more Couple more on the
list. Leonardo Leonardo DiCaprio.
That's surprising. Sure.
He likes to swap people around quite a bit.
Dolly Parton. Hell yeah, Dolly.
Oh, Dolly and Miley love that. Dolly and Miley?
Let's see, Keanu Reeves is on the list.
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Did Dolly give a quote? Dolly said I grew up in the big
family with eight kids younger than me, and several of my
brothers and sisters came to live with me early in life.
I've loved their kids just like they're my grandkids, and I
often think it just wasn't for me to have kids.
So everybody's kids can be mine.I like that.
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Sure, I don't want everyone's kids to be mine, for the record,
but like people that I like, Sure, why not?
Keanu Reeves said. It's too late, it's over.
I'm 52. He's older than that now.
He's like 55. That's great for him, but I I
respect that he's counting himself out.
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However, so many celebrity men still keep having children till
they're 75. I know it's very, very common.
Just a few more Jay Leno and hiswife.
What? OK, it's kind of surprising they
never had kids, actually. That's awesome.
Though let's see his wife, Mavissaid.
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It's perfectly obvious the womenare the ones trapped.
I remember telling my mother when I was seven or eight I was
never going to be married or have kids.
To me, this is the way women getcaught.
Interesting. Well, she did get married, I
guess. She did, but she never had a
kid. She.
Stood by her decision to not have kids.
I love that that was me too. I think I told my mom I didn't
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like dolls. I didn't want to be like a
mother to a doll even. And I think I told my mom I
didn't. I didn't like kids when I was a
kid. So I think this one is both, and
this is the one I'll finish on. But I think this is the one
that's both most believable and most surprising at the same
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time, and that is Oprah Winfrey.I say that because Oprah feels
like such a motherly presence toso many people.
She is America's mother. Right.
But it's so surprising in that sense that she never chose to
have children. But I guess it also kind of
makes sense, she said. If I had kids, my kids would
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hate me. They would have ended up on the
Oprah show talking about me because something would have had
to suffer and it would have probably been them.
Wow. I mean pretty wise, no?
Yeah, that's crazy that she was just that self aware and she's
married to her career. Pretty wise.
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Her career is her baby I guess. Interesting.
Yeah, so and then also Ellen andand Portia don't want to have
kids. Well, yeah, but also Ellen.
Yeah, I don't know. You know, it's a weird, like I
feel like I almost half expectedtime to go by and for all of us
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to be like, we too, we harsh, wewe judge too harshly on Ellen,
but that doesn't seem to be the case.
No, I think everyone's like, yeah, she's awful.
She's still awful. Now we don't have a lot of
friends. Like I said, most of our friends
are choosing the DINK life path,but we do have obviously a
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couple and some that are impending.
I think that most people, like one time I had to be like the
the technical guardian of two children on a set when I did
that play DoH show. But the children at that time
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were 9:00 and 11:00. So they could speak English and
go to the bathroom by themselvesand like feed themselves and
stuff. So I don't even totally consider
that like fully babysitting because there weren't babies.
And there was also like a lot ofother adults around us.
I wasn't just in my home alone with two children.
You know what I mean? If and when we are ever tapped
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in to babysit this child, like, how are we going to do it?
Because I don't. I'm at the point where I'm so
inexperienced. I haven't.
Here's the thing. I don't think, Oh no, I don't
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think in my 33 years on this Earth am I 33?
You are indeed. OK, I don't think on my 33 years
on this earth I have been alone in any room with a child.
Have you ever changed a diaper? Not one time, no.
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Nor should you. That is my caviar.
Game plan. Here's my thing, I am happy to
watch your child when they are out of diapers.
Yeah, but I'll do it anytime. I'm just not going to change a
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diaper. I've I've done it before and it
seems gnarly undertaking. Yeah, we don't know their body.
What's going on with all that? Like, I don't, I don't feel
comfortable with your naked child.
I don't know. But here's the thing.
Do you think, though, that we would be tapped in before
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they're out of diapers? And then what's your response?
Or we have to say yes? We can't say no.
I kind of feel like, well, we don't.
We would still say yes, but I kind of think anyone who knows
us well enough is not going to tap us in that early.
They just won't. I really don't think because I
also, and I don't, I don't even hold it against them.
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I don't, I think there would be a little bit of a lack of trust
there and I don't. Oh my.
God, I don't blame them. I don't, that's what I'm saying.
I don't trust myself with your child.
I don't think it's safe. I'm, I mean, I know that I would
do whatever I could like I wouldthrow myself in the line of
fire. I would heimlich them against
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some hard object if they startedchoking, hold them upside down,
hit their back, whatever you're supposed to do with a kid.
I would, like, do all the things, but I don't think I
would be so anxious the entire time.
I would basically hold them in air jail because I'd be like,
yeah, Because I'd be like, if I don't hold you in air jail, you
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could hit your head on something, You could choke on
something. I don't want anything bad to
happen while you're on my watch because that would be what
people would think is something bad is going to happen while
Katie and Cameron are watching it.
And then I'd be so worried. But here's the thing.
As good friends, as like best friends.
You are his best friend. OK?
Are we not supposed to offer andsay hey, your new parents?
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So after what, 6 months, a year or something?
Like I mean within the first year of its life, aren't we
supposed to be like, hey, you deserve a night out together?
We'll watch the kid, aren't we? Supposed to offer, I think we
can offer, but I think that the anyone who knows us well enough,
we'll wait to to pull that card until the kids a little bit
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older. That being said, I want to make
it very clear. I want to make it very clear
clear quickly that I would protect my child with or protect
your child with my life. That being said, I would prefer
not to change a diaper. Yes, but also I have a pitch.
I have. An idea?
Go, go. OK, we offer to watch their kid
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and let them go out on a date night.
We go over, we call a different babysitter and we sit near the
babysitter while they're while they're there.
So we pay a babysitter, we pay, we pay a different babysitter to
sit with us while we are also there.
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But that babysitter's more qualified and has recently done
child CPR classes and stuff. So just to be clear, in this
scenario, they don't pay for a babysitter to go out and go to
dinner, We pay for one, right? OK, fine.
I I accept these terms. Because then that babysitter can
change the diaper and suck, and that babysitter has probably
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done child CPR classes recently and we're just there for vibes.
There's probably some moral implications, like we should
probably tell the parents of thekid that there's a stranger in
their home and it's not just us,but we'll figure that out later.
Logistics. We'll we'll plan it out.
I mean, there's got to be somebody we know too that we
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could bring with. Like, we'll just bring a plus
one. Yeah, you know, we'll just bring
a + 1. We're just all hanging out at
your house. But I mean, if they bring the
baby over to us and we're not attheir house, well, I guess you
have to be at their house if it's you.
Kind of have to be at their house.
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so.
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OK, quickly before we go, I, I just love the scenario that you
just painted of us going and babysitting and then we're like,
have a good time at dinner and then the second they leave,
we're like, quick, come over. It's pooping to the babysitter
service real quick before we go on redditreddit.com/dink.
The whole page dedicated to people who have chosen the DINK
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lifestyle or people who have questions about the DINK
lifestyle. And there was a a thread on
there from a couple days ago I thought was really interesting.
And I know you'll have a reaction too.
It's a person who writes my wifeand I42.
Proud DINK wads. That's again double income.
No kids with a dog have always skipped sending holiday cards.
We started receiving them once our friends had kids, but since
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we're child free we never felt the need to send our own.
In our 30s we kind of rolled oureyes at the idea of sending one,
but now that we're older we feelweird not reciprocating their
cards with cards of our own. Reminding folks we're still
alive, we're still thinking of them.
This is what's going on in our life.
I'm curious if this is a sentiment common across stake
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nation or if it's just us. It's a good question, I
understand why you ask it. I personally don't feel the need
in any scenario to send a holiday card that has some sort
of life update. That to me feels like a very
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outdated thing because we all have Facebook, we all have
Instagram, and people generally keep tabs on one another.
And it feels almost like pompousto me to write a letter of like,
back in June, we did this and then we did that, and here's a
recap of our life. I don't know, maybe I'm on
Cameron Island on that one. What do you think?
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I think that we've, you know, carried this opinion for a
while. So if you're a long time
listener from previous to the Dink side pod, you may know that
we're not a big fan of the Christmas cards or the updates
because yes, we all have social media.
Also if you want to know how I'mdoing in my life, I would like
you to know that more than just at Christmas time randomly.
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I don't. And I don't wait for Oh my
random cousins that never care if I'm alive to send me a
fucking Christmas card. I don't.
That goes right in the trash. If they send me a life update
right in the trash. I do not open it.
I do not. I'm not going to spend my time
reading your dumb paragraphs because the other but 364 days
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of the year, you don't care thatI'm alive.
So I don't care that you're alive and what you've been
doing. And if you're second grader shit
himself, I don't care. So that's my opinion on that.
But then if you send one that's just like the photo collage or
whatever, that's like less offensive to me.
If you send one that's just a photo collage, sure.
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But I feel like it's a little weird because where is that
going? You are you assuming that you're
sending a picture of yourself and your family that someone
wants to display a photo of you on their fridge?
Like, right, I don't want photosof randos on my fridge.
Like, I don't know, I just thinkit's a little weird, like the
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whole tradition is and we're just wasting paper and no one
actually gives a fuck. And like it's all tit for tat.
Like, Oh well, I'll send you one'cause you sent me one and I'm,
no, I'm not sending you one. Don't send me one 'cause it's
you're wasting paper and I'm throwing it away and I'm not
keeping them for years and I'm not putting it on the fridge so
it's going right in the trash. Can I ask you how you feel about
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it though? Sorry.
No, I completely agree. I completely agree.
I just. Think it's a waste and if you
care, it's like how people get upset about Valentine's Day,
where people go big on Valentine's Day and it's like,
well I want my partner to give ashit about more than just
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Valentine's Day, treat me well the rest of the year.
So I'm saying the same principleapplies.
I don't need your fake fucking chocolates and your teddy bear
from CVS that I'm going to put in my closet and never look at
again. I want you to treat me well all
year. Same thing with a Christmas
card. I don't care about the update.
We never speak. This is fake.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean.
It's like, who are we? Who are we pretending for?
Right. What is the?
Charade for. Right, I guess, yeah.
That was a good question though.I'm going to keep an eye on that
dink page. I found it the other day so.
Yeah, I would say to the question asker, have no guilt
whatsoever and keep doing. You.
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Yeah. And I also think don't overthink
it. If you feel like sending a card,
that's fine, but you don't need to meet their novel with a novel
of your own. No, you know, it's just not
necessary. And with that, we shall bid you
adieu. Thank you for hanging with us.
Episode 3 of the DINK side. Any parting words there, babe?
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Any any life lessons for anyone?I don't know if we have anyone
that works with patents that listens.
I think the the baby bidet is a good candidate.
Baby bidet is great and please cover your mouth when you're
coughing. Save a life.
Cover your mouth.
There's a new term buzzing on the Internet, Dink.
Dual income? No, kid, you probably have an
opinion on these people or an opinion on people who have an
opinion on these people. America's birth rate has hit its
lowest point in more than a century.
Some are blaming it on infertility.
Others say the state of the world is causing couples to
think twice about having children.
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Childless marriages could be a good thing if they were a result
of God's sovereign providential work.
Oh my God, can't even. Hear you.
They like avocado toast and brunches out and going to plays
and having sweet vacations. Yeah, you're probably super
selfish. Kids are better than brunch.
Wrong. And then there's another group
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of young couples that want the lifestyle of childless
households and the lifestyle it brings with it.
Thanks. Welcome to The DINK Side, the
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Where a double income, no kids couple navigating the UPS, downs
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world that won't stop asking. So when are you having kids?
So when are you having kids? I am Cameron, that is KDK
comedy. Hi everyone, welcome to episode
3. Yes, what a what a girthy
episode we have in mind. We're stacked today.
Stacked. Katie and I just got back from a
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wonderful trip. We travelled kind of sort of
last minute. It's probably the the most I I
would say it was the most last minute trip we've ever booked in
terms of the size. But we went to Europe, we went
to France and then we went to Spain and it was delightful.
You guys, this is one of the bigbenefits of a DINK lifestyle is
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that you can travel not once, sometimes twice a year.
Yeah, if you're doing, if you'replaying your cards right.
And we didn't have to hire a babysitter or call grandma or
hire an au pair or, I don't know, pay for two extra plane
tickets for two children. Yeah, so.
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It was helpful. So we went on this trip and we
flew Air Tahiti, which we did not know even existed before it.
Kind of seemed like a scam at first because we'd never heard
of it and they have this like very Moana Lilo and Stitch
website and they even have like their economy class is called
(02:30):
Moana Premium or something. It is, yeah.
And so it sounds like a fake airline, completely like a
Disneyland experience. And turns out they're just a
really cute airline and all of the flight attendants wear
Hawaiian shirts. Yeah, and here's here's my tip
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when it comes to like traveling,if I ever were to have one, I'm
not a travel expert by any stretch of the imagination.
You are really good at finding like TikTok hacks and things
like that when it comes to traveling abroad
internationally. I think a lot of people build it
up in their head like it's the most expensive way or thing to
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do, which in a lot of cases is true.
But if you're willing to cramp yourself up in economy you can
get across the pond for not thatmuch money.
I think we found round trip tickets for like 700 bucks
which. I think if we would have just
done Spain or France round trip,it was like 550 and then because
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we added Spain then it we added a couple $100 because of the
flight to Spain or I mean not the flight like the difference
in leaving from Spain blah, blah, blah.
So we we added money and it was still under $1000.
Like that's crazy. And I don't know about you, but
like I have never in my entire life flown any sort of first
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class, business class, regular first class, the lay flat seats
that a lot of people do. The most we've ever done is the
economy plus the extra leg room ones like the mini upgrade.
I've never tasted business classor first class in my life so we
don't know what we're missing yet.
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Which is fine, we should keep itthat way as long as possible.
I think we should keep it that way because when we were, when
we checked into the flight leaving from LA to go to Paris,
that's where we had to fly into.They were asking if we wanted to
upgrade and the the cost to upgrade per ticket per person to
one of those lay flat situationswas 1900 dollars.
(04:44):
Right, which is just another trip altogether.
Like you might as well just booka trip to Dubai and call it a
day then. Right, like you, that is.
You have to wait until you really have fuck you money to
even consider doing something like that.
But then also the upgrade is silly 'cause if you had money to
upgrade you would have just booked it to begin with, right?
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Exactly. That's what I don't understand.
Like you, you have people at theairport who are about to get on
the flight. If you take off and there's four
of those empty, guarantee that you could have gotten somebody
like us to upgrade for like 150 bucks.
Why not do that? Why not charge?
Right, 'cause then we would havebeen like, yeah, we would have
been like, Yolo, we don't have kids.
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We can spend 150 to upgrade for the first time in our lives.
Have you ever Where do you standon this?
I feel like I know where you stand on this, but there are
people who book. There are parents who book first
class tickets and then make their kids fly in coach.
I fully support this. Oh my God, if they're old enough
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to not die in coach, then yeah. There's nowhere they can go.
There's nowhere they can go. There's nothing really bad that
could happen besides they're just watching movies together.
I guess I would be they would have to be old enough where you
can threaten them because what if they you have no idea and
they're just annoying everyone around them?
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Like, aggressively annoying. That's true.
I think they need to be above the age of 10, probably in
order. To be old enough to where they
think it's cool that they get tobe left alone, but they don't.
But you can threaten them. If I hear from the flight
attendants that you're botheringpeople around you, you don't.
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You get to. I would say if I hear from the
flight attendants, you're bothering people around you.
The whole entire first day of our trip, you are staying in the
hotel room and you don't get to come out.
I think that's a good. I think that's perfect, I think.
That's and again, some people might think well that's horrible
and to you I say good thing we never have to find out 'cause
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I'm not going to be a parent like you know what I mean?
Yeah, but they also have they have tiny little legs.
It's not like they need copious amounts of leg room.
I did they need to also it's part of the earn it mentality.
You need to earn first class andearn like the right to sit
upgrade yourself. You need at least earn money,
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have a job. Yeah, I completely agree.
I complete. I think it's similar to like,
you don't take your kids to a steakhouse.
You mom and dad go to the steakhouse, the kids get to have
McDonald's. You know, it's a it's a waste of
money to take kids to a steakhouse like that.
In the same way that. Yeah.
I mean like that. Sure.
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Yeah, like then Outback is different.
Yeah, if it's like a Roadhouse, whatever.
But if it's like a, you know, whatever, Larson's or Ruth's
Chris or like something nicer. Also, I think you just took a
sip. Cheers.
Inherently, what we're doing right now is DINK life in the
middle of the day on a Sunday, recording a podcast and drinking
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rose. Why?
Because we're not at some child soccer game or a baby shower.
Thank you. So.
Much cheers. Cheers to that.
It's a very it's a delightful Sans Serre Rose.
Yeah, I didn't know Sans Serre made Rose, but here we are today
figuring that out together. We got so lucky on this flight
because on the way there we had nobody in our row.
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So we had a row to ourselves andthen on the way back, yes, there
was somebody there, but on both legs of the trip we did not have
kids immediately around us. Thank you, Lord.
I think that that one time we went to London and the kid kept
grabbing my head that it has made it into my, you know, stand
up comedy at this point as well.I think that that karmically
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that flight alone where the and he crying the whole 11 hours.
We didn't sleep once because of the child.
They changed its diaper on the tray table behind us.
There was so much bad in that one flight that I think
karmically it filled up our whole like our well of like
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possibilities. And I think that we are cleansed
now for the rest of flights to not be stuck next to the
psychotic child. I hope so.
I hope that's actually accurate because there was, there was one
dad who I felt so bad for and itwas on our flight, it was our
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flight home. So this dad was probably 6 or 7
rows ahead of us. They were not around us and he
didn't have babies. He had like, you know, 9/10/12
year old kids, whatever. He had two kids with them.
About an hour into the flight, they realized their whole row of
televisions were not working. And then the dad was like, OK.
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And so they didn't, they didn't have any alternate form of
entertainment. And so the him and the two kids
just sat there for 10 more hours.
And I'm like, dude, I'm not trying to dad shame.
But you should probably have backup with you, you know?
I mean, I guess, but like the whole plan that a lot of people
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plan is just watching a few movies in a row and sleeping and
they don't want to bring a ton of what else is he supposed to
bring? Yeah, I don't know.
Now, do you think in that scenario that he should have
gotten compensated in some way? I so it was interesting.
He I think he was trying to withthe flight attendant, but I'm
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pretty sure in that scenario, it's like you're guaranteed with
the purchase of a ticket to get from A to B.
So you're still getting from A to B.
So in that sense, we don't owe you anything.
However, they were trying to throw like freeze snacks his
way. Like do you want an extra thing?
Do you want another, you know, hot dog or do you want another
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whatever? The meal was a waffle.
So they were trying to help him out, but I don't.
It's God. I would be like, oh.
Wouldn't you? My God.
Like obviously at that point, I don't know if there were any
open seats on the plane. I don't know if I saw any or
whatever, but wouldn't you say like, hey, are there literally
any open seats? Because we'll all split up so we
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can watch something. Like that's what I would have
asked, I would have said are there any open seats were there
within like I range of me, but they.
Were old enough. That's true, yeah.
They put them in the overhead bin.
If there's ATV in there, let it ride.
But yeah, I mean, it was we, we were very lucky.
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God, the flight's back Suck. But there's nothing you can do
about that. You spent a week walking around
and your body's tired and it's awhole thing.
And I don't understand how people sleep.
Throbbing. I don't understand it.
We have to get we we should be professionals by now, but we
have to get that like turtleneckthing that holds your head up
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nice. We definitely.
Yeah, I want the one that goes like around the the head rest,
you know what I'm saying? That like straps you to the
chair. Me that you wanted that and then
I thought I ordered it for you. I thought you did too.
I don't know if it ever came. I think it was a TikTok shop
thing. I have purchased two things on
TikTok shop that never came. You have to check if you have
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our old address in there. No, I'm telling you, before we
moved, I ordered them like a year ago and they never came.
One of them, one of them was thething that would allow me to
watch television in the car. Oh well, I think the universe
just did its thing then. Yeah, rude.
Whatever. Also that sounds fake and why
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would you ever think that was available on TikTok shop?
Because it is there. I constantly get fed that on
TikTok shop. It's all over the place.
Whatever, I will say that the one thing, yes, we got lucky on
our flights, yes, I'm grateful, yes, we booked this last minute
trip, blah, blah. I cannot stand this new thing
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that I'm seeing. It's not just on planes, but
it's more apparent on planes. People are adults alike, but
they're just letting their children open mouth cough with
no covering of the hands. We're not even telling them to
cover their fucking mouth or, orcough into your hoodie or cough
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into the your arm or cough into your armpit or cough into a
napkin or whatever. Your hands, whatever.
They're just hacking up a lung, open mouth.
Always that like, you know, whenkids have that like really deep
flirty cough where it's like andyou're like, oh, I'm instantly
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going to get sick from that. It's it's super wet.
It's all I mean I assume it's all who knows.
But if you don't, if you're a parent that doesn't give a shit
that your kids open mouth coughing, I'm also willing to
bet they're unvaccinated. So.
IA 100% and I I have vivid memories of when I was a kid
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both at home and in school. They taught me that I need to
cover my mouth with my elbow. They taught me to sneeze into my
arm. They taught me to cough into a
tissue into into my arm. I don't feel like at home and at
school they're just not teachingit anymore.
They're just like go. For it, I thought that COVID
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would at least some carryover from COVID would be that sort of
respect. Or like hand sanitizer or
wearing a mask on planes 'cause I still wear a mask on planes a
lot where there was so many people hacking up along.
I wore a mask on most of our flight and I still do it on my
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way to shows and stuff. Whenever I everyone's hacking
and it's flu season, I'll wear amask still.
Whatever. I do I it is surprising that
there's a lot of things post COVID that I would have thought
this is just going to stay this way because now we're over
sensitized to it and it feels like we we course corrected back
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in the opposite direction hard. Like when we were in Europe,
there were several places where we were waiting in line or
walking through a museum and people were just in our shit
social. Distancing is dead.
Where? Yeah, people were inside of my
asshole, Yeah. While we were waiting in line.
Yeah. Yeah.
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Not my favorite part of being inlarge, like, areas where there's
large groups of people, but you know, it's worth it to me to be
in a horde of people to see likethe most beautiful cathedral
I've ever seen in my life. Like, yes, I'll deal with
someone up my butt hole, but it's it's just crazy because
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it's like, does it need to be like this?
No, it never needs to be like that.
It's always, always way over thetop.
But we did have an amazing trip.And at risk of sounding preachy,
genuinely travel is at the top of our list of reasons as to why
we've chosen the DINK lifestyle.It's exciting to be able to go
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on a trip like this kind of lastsecond and then to come back and
go. We get to plan our next one and.
Yeah, to not be like feeling like, OK, now we're paying this
off for a few years or whatever.We're just like excited to see
more of the world. And yeah, it's helpful.
I, I'll be honest though. So we, we moved, we got that out
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of the way or we, we did our trip, we got that out of the
way, Both good things. I don't mean get it out of the
way in a negative way. And now I have been feeling the
itch since we've gotten back forthe last four days of like, I, I
feel like I need to find like the next thing to buy my
Facebook is feeding me cars and feeding me art and all kinds of
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things on Facebook marketplace. I'm getting hit with it left,
right and center. And I, I want to be financially
responsible, but it does feel good to be in a place where
we've lowered our monthly bills and now it's like, oh, should we
do something kind of, should we get something kind of fun?
I don't know. I've been like, I've been
looking at the these Volkswagen buses, like these old Volkswagen
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buses this week. I'm like, I don't know, those
are pretty cool. You're a lunatic.
OK, but if you got a Volkswagen bus, you're saying you would get
rid of the Kia or trade back in the Kia, right?
Like you're not Or sell the Kia.Because it would be my primary
driver, yeah. Right.
You're not talking about being so crazy that we just have a
third car. No, no, no, no.
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It's not God that would bankruptus in California with insurance
on three cars. We would have to live on the
street, you know. So we're not talking about being
that irresponsible, we're just talking about switching out
cars. But it is funny, like I, I had a
moment. Talking about cars under
$10,000, Yes. Yeah, I know.
Yeah, definitely under $10,000. I don't know if I could ever, at
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this point I could ever buy a car over 10 grand again.
It just like stresses me out. Well also I would never want to
buy a car over 10 grand that we don't have a garage to park it
in. Exactly.
Like I would never want to St. Park like a $20,000 car.
I don't. Know so it it's funny though,
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because I like we're very happy and proud to be DINK life
people, right? We as, as you know, by
listening, we are on the DINK side.
That being said, every now and then I will do something that
does make me feel a little silly.
And Speaking of spending money on things, I went to Costco the
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other day and they had a a Game Boy man out of Legos that was
just released this week. I saw that and I was like, is
that for your nephew or is that for you?
No, so I, I'm walking through Costco, I see the Lego just
released this Game Boy and I waswalking by it and I was like,
that looks cool. And I I don't I don't regularly
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buy Legos 'cause they are dust collectors, but this one kind of
scratches multiple inches for me.
Can I guess the price? Yeah, OK.
Price is right. How big do you think it is?
The size of your head or. It's the size of a no.
It's the size of a Game Boy. Like it's supposed to look
exactly like a Game Boy. OK.
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And it's so like. It's in your hands.
I'm going to say $80. Incorrect.
It was 40 bucks. No way.
Yeah, yeah, so. But I felt so silly because as
I'm walking by it, it should have looked cool for.
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Your bestie. I thought about it, but it's not
really her thing like the Game Boy specifically.
But OK. So I'm walking by this Game Boy
at Costco, this Lego Game Boy atCostco, and I'm thinking to
myself, that looks fun. Maybe I should buy that.
And the cool thing is like I canright?
But as I walked up to it to grabit, there was like 4 kids
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grabbing 1. And I'm like I feel I feel a
little ridiculous. And then the mom was like
grabbing and he said oh this should be good for your little
brother. He loves these.
And I'm like, OK, I'm 35. What's the age on it like on the
box? I know.
I think that I, I think it's oneof those things where it's like
6 and up or 8 and up. So it's technically for anyone.
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And you are 8 and up, you know. I am above 8.
That's verifiably true, but it did make me feel a little silly.
And that happens every now and then where I'm like, I can spend
money on this, but I feel a little silly doing it.
I don't know. And I'm sure there's going to be
many more things that are on that list.
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Yeah, I mean right behind you even right now is the.
What do you call that? The.
Arcade one up machine? Yes, arcade one up machine.
And that's a purchase that, you know, we just again, Costco,
right? Yeah, Costco gets me.
Costco's the place. Costco is probably, if you had
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to pull all people, all people our age who have chosen the DINK
lifestyle, guaranteed their favorite store is Costco.
Yeah. Almost guaranteed Kirkland
aficionados. But the little arcade machine,
like, that's something that was another purchase that was just
kind of on a whim, a silly purchase that maybe we wouldn't
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have made if we were spending money on children.
Or maybe something we would havebought only for children but for
like a Christmas gift? Right.
And I thought it was so funny literally earlier today we to be
clear, we have a stroller for our dogs and today we were
looking at another stroller thatcould fit a double Decker dog
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situation. It was a double Decker so that
we could put our dogs in the topand my mom's dog in the bottom.
I know, but it's just so funny. Like we literally have friends
that are about to have a baby. And I was talking to this friend
the other day. I'm like, what kind of things do
you need? He's like, oh, you know, we'll
need a stroller at some point. Like we just bought one for our
dog. Yeah, do you want to?
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Use that one. I It's just crazy.
My best friend said that in thismonth alone she's been to four
baby showers. So I don't know if it's just
like a super popular time of year like that people are giving
birth all in the fall or that they're all having baby showers
at the same time, or just like apopular year to be pregnant.
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I don't know. Or I guess because we're all in
our early 30s, this is when people have babies.
But I can't imagine four baby one baby shower is like a lot.
Emotionally 4 and financially like 4 gifts for four babies is
kind of a lot. I don't.
Know that's a lot. That's a lot of I don't, I don't
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think I've ever been formally invited to a baby shower.
Yeah, we were invited to your cousins, but we just were out of
state. That's true.
That's true. I take that back.
Shout out to the only cool people that have a kid.
No, I'm kidding. I know honestly, they do great.
They, they, I think that my cousin is an example of like, if
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we chose to have a kid, we wouldprobably handle it like they are
right. They're taking that baby
everywhere. They're socializing it, they're
still going on trips and stuff and they're either bringing the
kid or leaving the kid. I'm and we were able to they did
like an online registry so we were able to like send something
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anyways. Support that way, yeah.
But they also I respect the factthat on their baby registry they
had stuff of every single price point.
So it wasn't like oh buy me the $700.00 stroller.
It was like cute little. I remember we got them like
animal themed like burp clothes and things like that.
I just googled how much is supposed like supposed to be the
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spend for a baby shower gift? What?
What would you spend on a baby shower gift?
I would say $40. What is the average?
25 to 50 for a Co worker or acquaintance, 50 to 100 for a
friend or relative, 100 plus fora close family member or best
friend. So 100 depends.
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Yeah. It's similar to a wedding where
for the weddings that we've beento, we give $100 check, right?
Yeah, I think generally speaking, that's the requirement
or the heavy, heavy suggestion. But there are too many of these
holidays and events. Yeah, there's so much pressure
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that we put on each other to buygifts and do cards and all these
things and it's like. OK well we only have like one
other friend having a baby and all the rest of our friends are
committed to the DINK life. That is true.
We have primarily DINK friends. So we can go, you know, we can
ball out for your best friend's baby shower coming up and get
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them something really cool. But what do you think with all
the money we're saving, not going to baby showers that our
other friends are going to? What's like a crazy purchase
that you would like to spend themoney on that's not for a baby?
I've thought a lot about this because we're not having kids,
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we get to spend money on some things or plan on spending some
of this money. And I think one of the things at
the top of my list I want to expand and legitimize my
collection of watches. This is what I've decided.
I yes, some of the new ones are cool and fancy and fun, but I've
been particularly interested in finding like vintage
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wristwatches lately. Oh, vintage is cool, yeah.
Yeah, I think that that, for whatever reason, is at the top
of my list because I feel like that enhances my wardrobe.
It makes me look classy. I I think that's pretty high up
there. How about you?
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Yeah, I don't know. I was going to say either like
arts or record collection. Yeah, pieces of art for the
wall. Like vintage.
Because you've never been super into like bags and stuff like
that. No do.
You think there's you would everlike if we, let's say tomorrow
we were making $3,000,000 a year, would you be into bags at
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that point? Is it is it a money thing or is
it just not? I think I would want to find
like a really unique one maybe, but I don't think I would want
like 8 different ones. I think I would, I'd be like,
Oh, well, this can be my nice purse for if we go to like a
really fancy event or something in the entertainment industry
where you're like rubbing shoulders with people, then
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maybe I could have one nice prized possession.
But it's not really on the top of my list.
No. Yeah.
If we like built a house one day, which I don't really have
any interest in doing as we've just talked about, we're kind of
like over it right now, but I could but like crazy purchases
and Airstream, you know, I. Was going to say like one of
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those sprinter van things. The sprinter van, whatever.
Or like if we had a house I would want like heated floors, a
wine cellar like you. Live in California, what do you
need to be heated floors for? Are always blue.
I have rain odds. And no, I hear you right now.
I hear everyone going just wear socks.
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Just wear slippers. Hey, news flash.
I've thought of that. I do it and it doesn't work.
They're still cold inside the socks and slippers and they are
still blue. I have circulation issues, so I
need not just to be covered in asock or a slipper, I need there
to be radiating heat touching mybody.
So yeah, if I'm in a heated blanket not moving then I'm
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fine, but if I'm walking around the house my feet are cold all
the time, constantly, and I wantheated floors.
Thank you. And that is your pitch and we'll
be right back. Yeah, anyways.
God that's an interesting one. House luxury.
I don't this is going to be weird.
I have been super interested in getting a bidet recently and
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I've never used a bidet. What's gotten crazy with your
back end that you all of a sudden need a hose?
It's not. Are you good?
I don't get what it's. Not that anything has.
Gotten. Crazy.
It's not that anything has gotten crazy, but I think I'm, I
don't know. Since I've moved, since we moved
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recently, I've been more into like I want like the best
hygiene possible. Do you know what I'm saying?
What about moving from a house to an apartment makes you want
hygiene? I can't put a finger on it, I
really have no idea and maybe I'm just being radicalized by
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the Internet of people saying how much they enjoy a bidet, but
I feel like a bidet is somethingthat well established young
adults with no kids has. OK I have another question.
What's wrong with people with all these?
Oh I need diaper wipes and baby wipes?
Why don't you just get a baby bidet?
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Why don't you just spray your kids asshole with a bidet?
Why don't you set your kid on the bidet and call it the?
Kids often poop on the go. It's not like they wait.
Is this a Shark Tank invention? A baby bidet, that's.
Baby bidet, but it's battery operated.
Wait a second. Also let me.
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Write this down. Newsflash, it's sustainable and
you're not wasting a trillion fucking wipes and all this stuff
so. Yeah, I assume if you have a
baby bidet patent pending that you don't even need to use
diapers. Right.
Yeah. Completely eliminates that cost.
Yeah, it's fine. You just spray it right off.
I'm talking, do you know how many wipes, how many butt wipes
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people with babies go through? That's true.
A shit ton of wipes. That's true, no pun intended.
Oh shit ton. No pun very intended.
Anyway, What? Else is on your list though.
Do you have anything else that like you, you were like dying to
blow money on? I just.
Told I mean, I said wine cell. I said all.
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I've said a lot of things. Wine cellar is a good one too,
actually, yeah. Or like the wine wall that's
under the stairs. So instead of having, like, the
Harry Potter closet, you have like the wine wall.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I that's funny, like we don't
really host people a ton. We do occasionally, but for some
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reason I, I have this weird fantasy in my mind about having
the wine wall because I like this idea that somebody would
come over and we'd be hanging out and then all of a sudden I'd
be like, I have this 98 Bordeaux.
Should we crack it open? And, you know, I remember we
were in the South of France whenwe bought this many moons ago.
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And this seems like a special enough occasion to nowadays.
It's like we just buy the the wine we want to drink, you know?
Yeah, we're still in the phase where we don't just have bottles
sitting around, so. God, that would be, that's a
that's a status symbol thing. Yeah, I like it.
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Well, I, I'm surprised we haven't done this yet, but you
actually brought this up and I think it's a good call.
Cosmopolitan just put out a listof celebrities who do not want
to have kids. So these are celebrities who
have opened up about not wantingchildren.
OK, great. Some of them have a surprise,
some of them not so much. We've discussed this before.
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Seth Rogen on the very top of our list.
He and his wife don't want kids.He and his partner do not have
any interest in having that sortof family.
And I really enjoy the way he's described it in the past, which
is we don't need to leave some sort of legacy.
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We we spend so much time workingon our art and that's what we
want to do. And I love how simple that is.
It's not even we hate kids. We can't stand kids.
It's just this is not a a Ave. that we are wanting to go down
in life. And I feel like that is very
similar to to our stance, which is this is just not for us.
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And we respect our friends and family who have kids and we we
love them, but it's just not ourlot in life.
So Seth Rogen's definitely up there.
Also on the list, Miley Cyrus. Oh, well, hell yeah.
I mean, I don't know, I feel like I could have seen a world
where all of a sudden she is a big family person.
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But I love that for her, and I'mnot surprised by that.
I love what she said though. She said we just take and take
and expect to keep producing andit's exhausting.
I can't produce. We're getting handed a piece of
shit planet and I refuse to handthat down to my child until I
feel like my kid would live on an earth with fish in the water.
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I'm not bringing another person to deal with that.
I love that. Wow.
I love that. Also on the list, you know.
She's, she's a wise woman, Miley.
She's a wise woman, well, well beyond her years.
Jared Leto, also on the list. OK, here's the thing.
Jared Leto, I don't know if it'sso much your choice as much as
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like nobody wants to have a kid with you.
Just doing that out there. Well, is he historically like an
weirdo? I don't know, he doesn't he give
you weird vibes though? He does give me weird vibes and
I don't know that I see him likerunning around a park with a
child, you know? Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah. Rasheeda Jones Kind of surprised
by that one. Rasheeda Jones feels like a
person who's already like a successful mother.
We How sure are you? That.
She hasn't had a child because Ithought she was pregnant in a
show like actually. She does have a child.
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I'm so confused. OK, well, they pulled this this.
Is why This is why they pulled this quote from 2014 and she had
kids in 2018. Wait, what's the quote?
This is funny. Wait.
I'm happy. OK, Here's the quote.
I'm happy. But the fact that I'm not
married and don't have kids, it's taken me a long time to get
to a place where I'm actually OKwith that.
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That's the quote. And she is.
She has a kid. Yeah, she's she's dating or is
married to Ezra Koenig from Vampire Weekend.
OK, cool. There you go.
Yeah, Rashida, congratulations. I've been meaning to tell you.
Congrats, Rashida. Jennifer Aniston does not have
kids. Yeah, she also, I just want to
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know Jennifer Aniston's story oflike why she everyone like she
can't stay in a relationship, but she's just Miss Independent,
I think. She is, but this Jennifer
Aniston quote sounds like a KDK quote.
You may not have a child come out of your vagina, but that
doesn't mean you aren't mothering dogs, friends and
friends children. Nice, I like that.
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Crass, but true. I like that there's quotes
involved. RIP.
But Betty White is on the list. She well, legally, she can't
have kids. She hasn't been able to have
kids for quite some time, but. She lived the DINK life and
didn't regret it and helped likea trillion animals.
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Do they have a quote for Betty? Betty said.
I don't have kids and I've neverregretted it.
I'm so compulsive about stuff. I know that if I had ever gotten
pregnant, that would have been my whole focus.
But I didn't choose to have children because I'm focused on
my career. And I don't think, as impulsive
as I am, that I could manage both.
That's just wise. That's just.
Smart. You know The Who is not part of
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the DINK Life Club. That, I would think, would
absolutely be a DINK lifer who judge Judith Sheineland.
Yeah, I kind of feel that way about Eliza Schlesinger, too.
Yeah, you would think. Yeah, it's kind of surprising.
Here we are in a world where they both have children, but
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whatever. Couple more Couple more on the
list. Leonardo Leonardo DiCaprio.
That's surprising. Sure.
He likes to swap people around quite a bit.
Dolly Parton. Hell yeah, Dolly.
Oh, Dolly and Miley love that. Dolly and Miley?
Let's see, Keanu Reeves is on the list.
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Did Dolly give a quote? Dolly said I grew up in the big
family with eight kids younger than me, and several of my
brothers and sisters came to live with me early in life.
I've loved their kids just like they're my grandkids, and I
often think it just wasn't for me to have kids.
So everybody's kids can be mine.I like that.
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Sure, I don't want everyone's kids to be mine, for the record,
but like people that I like, Sure, why not?
Keanu Reeves said. It's too late, it's over.
I'm 52. He's older than that now.
He's like 55. That's great for him, but I I
respect that he's counting himself out.
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However, so many celebrity men still keep having children till
they're 75. I know it's very, very common.
Just a few more Jay Leno and hiswife.
What? OK, it's kind of surprising they
never had kids, actually. That's awesome.
Though let's see his wife, Mavissaid.
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It's perfectly obvious the womenare the ones trapped.
I remember telling my mother when I was seven or eight I was
never going to be married or have kids.
To me, this is the way women getcaught.
Interesting. Well, she did get married, I
guess. She did, but she never had a
kid. She.
Stood by her decision to not have kids.
I love that that was me too. I think I told my mom I didn't
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like dolls. I didn't want to be like a
mother to a doll even. And I think I told my mom I
didn't. I didn't like kids when I was a
kid. So I think this one is both, and
this is the one I'll finish on. But I think this is the one
that's both most believable and most surprising at the same
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time, and that is Oprah Winfrey.I say that because Oprah feels
like such a motherly presence toso many people.
She is America's mother. Right.
But it's so surprising in that sense that she never chose to
have children. But I guess it also kind of
makes sense, she said. If I had kids, my kids would
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hate me. They would have ended up on the
Oprah show talking about me because something would have had
to suffer and it would have probably been them.
Wow. I mean pretty wise, no?
Yeah, that's crazy that she was just that self aware and she's
married to her career. Pretty wise.
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Her career is her baby I guess. Interesting.
Yeah, so and then also Ellen andand Portia don't want to have
kids. Well, yeah, but also Ellen.
Yeah, I don't know. You know, it's a weird, like I
feel like I almost half expectedtime to go by and for all of us
(40:26):
to be like, we too, we harsh, wewe judge too harshly on Ellen,
but that doesn't seem to be the case.
No, I think everyone's like, yeah, she's awful.
She's still awful. Now we don't have a lot of
friends. Like I said, most of our friends
are choosing the DINK life path,but we do have obviously a
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couple and some that are impending.
I think that most people, like one time I had to be like the
the technical guardian of two children on a set when I did
that play DoH show. But the children at that time
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were 9:00 and 11:00. So they could speak English and
go to the bathroom by themselvesand like feed themselves and
stuff. So I don't even totally consider
that like fully babysitting because there weren't babies.
And there was also like a lot ofother adults around us.
I wasn't just in my home alone with two children.
You know what I mean? If and when we are ever tapped
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in to babysit this child, like, how are we going to do it?
Because I don't. I'm at the point where I'm so
inexperienced. I haven't.
Here's the thing. I don't think, Oh no, I don't
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think in my 33 years on this Earth am I 33?
You are indeed. OK, I don't think on my 33 years
on this earth I have been alone in any room with a child.
Have you ever changed a diaper? Not one time, no.
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Nor should you. That is my caviar.
Game plan. Here's my thing, I am happy to
watch your child when they are out of diapers.
Yeah, but I'll do it anytime. I'm just not going to change a
(42:36):
diaper. I've I've done it before and it
seems gnarly undertaking. Yeah, we don't know their body.
What's going on with all that? Like, I don't, I don't feel
comfortable with your naked child.
I don't know. But here's the thing.
Do you think, though, that we would be tapped in before
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they're out of diapers? And then what's your response?
Or we have to say yes? We can't say no.
I kind of feel like, well, we don't.
We would still say yes, but I kind of think anyone who knows
us well enough is not going to tap us in that early.
They just won't. I really don't think because I
also, and I don't, I don't even hold it against them.
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I don't, I think there would be a little bit of a lack of trust
there and I don't. Oh my.
God, I don't blame them. I don't, that's what I'm saying.
I don't trust myself with your child.
I don't think it's safe. I'm, I mean, I know that I would
do whatever I could like I wouldthrow myself in the line of
fire. I would heimlich them against
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some hard object if they startedchoking, hold them upside down,
hit their back, whatever you're supposed to do with a kid.
I would, like, do all the things, but I don't think I
would be so anxious the entire time.
I would basically hold them in air jail because I'd be like,
yeah, Because I'd be like, if I don't hold you in air jail, you
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could hit your head on something, You could choke on
something. I don't want anything bad to
happen while you're on my watch because that would be what
people would think is something bad is going to happen while
Katie and Cameron are watching it.
And then I'd be so worried. But here's the thing.
As good friends, as like best friends.
You are his best friend. OK?
Are we not supposed to offer andsay hey, your new parents?
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So after what, 6 months, a year or something?
Like I mean within the first year of its life, aren't we
supposed to be like, hey, you deserve a night out together?
We'll watch the kid, aren't we? Supposed to offer, I think we
can offer, but I think that the anyone who knows us well enough,
we'll wait to to pull that card until the kids a little bit
(44:50):
older. That being said, I want to make
it very clear. I want to make it very clear
clear quickly that I would protect my child with or protect
your child with my life. That being said, I would prefer
not to change a diaper. Yes, but also I have a pitch.
I have. An idea?
Go, go. OK, we offer to watch their kid
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and let them go out on a date night.
We go over, we call a different babysitter and we sit near the
babysitter while they're while they're there.
So we pay a babysitter, we pay, we pay a different babysitter to
sit with us while we are also there.
(45:35):
But that babysitter's more qualified and has recently done
child CPR classes and stuff. So just to be clear, in this
scenario, they don't pay for a babysitter to go out and go to
dinner, We pay for one, right? OK, fine.
I I accept these terms. Because then that babysitter can
change the diaper and suck, and that babysitter has probably
(45:58):
done child CPR classes recently and we're just there for vibes.
There's probably some moral implications, like we should
probably tell the parents of thekid that there's a stranger in
their home and it's not just us,but we'll figure that out later.
Logistics. We'll we'll plan it out.
I mean, there's got to be somebody we know too that we
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could bring with. Like, we'll just bring a plus
one. Yeah, you know, we'll just bring
a + 1. We're just all hanging out at
your house. But I mean, if they bring the
baby over to us and we're not attheir house, well, I guess you
have to be at their house if it's you.
Kind of have to be at their house.
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so.
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OK, quickly before we go, I, I just love the scenario that you
just painted of us going and babysitting and then we're like,
have a good time at dinner and then the second they leave,
we're like, quick, come over. It's pooping to the babysitter
service real quick before we go on redditreddit.com/dink.
The whole page dedicated to people who have chosen the DINK
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lifestyle or people who have questions about the DINK
lifestyle. And there was a a thread on
there from a couple days ago I thought was really interesting.
And I know you'll have a reaction too.
It's a person who writes my wifeand I42.
Proud DINK wads. That's again double income.
No kids with a dog have always skipped sending holiday cards.
We started receiving them once our friends had kids, but since
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we're child free we never felt the need to send our own.
In our 30s we kind of rolled oureyes at the idea of sending one,
but now that we're older we feelweird not reciprocating their
cards with cards of our own. Reminding folks we're still
alive, we're still thinking of them.
This is what's going on in our life.
I'm curious if this is a sentiment common across stake
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nation or if it's just us. It's a good question, I
understand why you ask it. I personally don't feel the need
in any scenario to send a holiday card that has some sort
of life update. That to me feels like a very
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outdated thing because we all have Facebook, we all have
Instagram, and people generally keep tabs on one another.
And it feels almost like pompousto me to write a letter of like,
back in June, we did this and then we did that, and here's a
recap of our life. I don't know, maybe I'm on
Cameron Island on that one. What do you think?
(48:30):
I think that we've, you know, carried this opinion for a
while. So if you're a long time
listener from previous to the Dink side pod, you may know that
we're not a big fan of the Christmas cards or the updates
because yes, we all have social media.
Also if you want to know how I'mdoing in my life, I would like
you to know that more than just at Christmas time randomly.
(48:54):
I don't. And I don't wait for Oh my
random cousins that never care if I'm alive to send me a
fucking Christmas card. I don't.
That goes right in the trash. If they send me a life update
right in the trash. I do not open it.
I do not. I'm not going to spend my time
reading your dumb paragraphs because the other but 364 days
(49:17):
of the year, you don't care thatI'm alive.
So I don't care that you're alive and what you've been
doing. And if you're second grader shit
himself, I don't care. So that's my opinion on that.
But then if you send one that's just like the photo collage or
whatever, that's like less offensive to me.
If you send one that's just a photo collage, sure.
(49:38):
But I feel like it's a little weird because where is that
going? You are you assuming that you're
sending a picture of yourself and your family that someone
wants to display a photo of you on their fridge?
Like, right, I don't want photosof randos on my fridge.
Like, I don't know, I just thinkit's a little weird, like the
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whole tradition is and we're just wasting paper and no one
actually gives a fuck. And like it's all tit for tat.
Like, Oh well, I'll send you one'cause you sent me one and I'm,
no, I'm not sending you one. Don't send me one 'cause it's
you're wasting paper and I'm throwing it away and I'm not
keeping them for years and I'm not putting it on the fridge so
it's going right in the trash. Can I ask you how you feel about
(50:23):
it though? Sorry.
No, I completely agree. I completely agree.
I just. Think it's a waste and if you
care, it's like how people get upset about Valentine's Day,
where people go big on Valentine's Day and it's like,
well I want my partner to give ashit about more than just
(50:45):
Valentine's Day, treat me well the rest of the year.
So I'm saying the same principleapplies.
I don't need your fake fucking chocolates and your teddy bear
from CVS that I'm going to put in my closet and never look at
again. I want you to treat me well all
year. Same thing with a Christmas
card. I don't care about the update.
We never speak. This is fake.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean.
It's like, who are we? Who are we pretending for?
Right. What is the?
Charade for. Right, I guess, yeah.
That was a good question though.I'm going to keep an eye on that
dink page. I found it the other day so.
Yeah, I would say to the question asker, have no guilt
whatsoever and keep doing. You.
(51:27):
Yeah. And I also think don't overthink
it. If you feel like sending a card,
that's fine, but you don't need to meet their novel with a novel
of your own. No, you know, it's just not
necessary. And with that, we shall bid you
adieu. Thank you for hanging with us.
Episode 3 of the DINK side. Any parting words there, babe?
(51:48):
Any any life lessons for anyone?I don't know if we have anyone
that works with patents that listens.
I think the the baby bidet is a good candidate.
Baby bidet is great and please cover your mouth when you're
coughing. Save a life.
Cover your mouth.
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