October 21, 2025 • 52 mins
In this episode of "The Dink Side," Cameron and Katie dive into the concept of legacy and the unique challenges faced by child-free couples. They explore the societal expectations around having children, discuss the importance of creating a will, and share their thoughts on leaving a legacy without offspring. With humor and candidness, they tackle topics like the role of material possessions, the value of personal expression, and the potential for supporting causes they care about. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation that challenges conventional norms and celebrates the freedom of living child-free.
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There's a new term buzzing on the Internet, Dick.
Dual income? No, kid, you probably have an
opinion on these people or an opinion on people who have an
opinion on these people. America's birth rate has hit its
lowest point in more than a century.
Some are blaming it on infertility.
Others say the state of the world is causing couples to
think twice about having children.
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Childless marriages could be a good thing if they were a result
of God's sovereign providential work.
Oh my God, can't even hear you. They like avocado toast and
brunches out and going to plays and having sweet vacations.
Yeah, you're probably super selfish.
Kids are better than brunch. Wrong.
And then there's another group of young couples that wants the
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lifestyle of childless households and the lifestyle it
brings with it. Thanks.
Welcome to The DINK Side, the podcast about life, laughs and
living child free. We are a double income, no kids
couple navigating the UPS, downsand hilarious in betweens of
choosing a different path in a world that won't stop asking so
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many heaven kids. Like I said, we are Dinks, we
are Cameron and Katie and today we're going to talk about
legacy. Legacy and all the
responsibility of stuff when we die.
A word used heavily by people that seem to have almost no
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assets. So dead to real and accurate.
Yeah. So we're going to talk about
legacy. We're going to talk about death
a bit, but I promise it'll be ina fun lens.
It'll be in a fun lens. Before we get to that though, I
have quite a few things to run through, a few things from
Reddit, and a story I wanted to read you and I think, I think
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that this is something you and Ihave talked about, our friends
and I have talked about, and I think you're going to be on
board. I know which way your opinion is
going to lie, but let's talk about it nonetheless.
There is a brewery in Ohio that is going through a bit of a
tough time because they announced recently past 7:00 PM,
no children allowed. No children allowed.
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The brewery said it's been a good change, however, over the
last few months since they've made the switch, they've been
getting death threats online from upset parents and
customers. Oh my God.
Death threats. Wait, OK, first of all, you said
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Ohio. Ohio, yeah.
Great. I was there for shows twice this
year and I cannot wait to go back.
The people there are so fun and I will absolutely be going to
this brewery and I will be going, oh, you guessed it, after
7 PMI honey, it's actually goingto get.
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We're starting out with stress hives.
I cannot believe that people arethis fucking insane.
I I need to drink my beer with my child there.
I need I need to be at a brewerywhere I'm consuming alcohol and
drive my child home after I've had beers, and I need my child
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to be at a brewery where the child doesn't even want.
To be I have said it many times recently, I would prefer if the
breweries remain breweries because so many brought
microbreweries. Have you been to any breweries
recently? In the last couple of years they
have turned into glorified playgrounds.
Glorified playgrounds. Here's my pitch.
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Brewery breweries should be considered 21 plus bars because
there is alcohol being served there and children don't need to
be at the epicenter of alcohol. However, there are breweries
like Chicken and Pickle right where it's a pickleball court
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and also a bar brewery. I pitch that someone, maybe
someone that's sending death threats, puts their money where
their mouth is and opens a brewery that is child centric
and has, wait for it, a playground in the middle instead
of pickleball courts. So that the people that really,
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really, really want to take their kids to a brewery have
one, and the kids actually have more fun because there's a
playground there. Because it's catered to them
100%. Right, so they should get to
have special breweries where kids have more fun.
But the other water brewery should be left as 21 plus bars.
Duh. Why does it take me to say this?
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Why? This is This is why we do the
podcast. We need to advocate for this
type of existence in life. The East Side Brewing Company is
the name of the brewery. And they said it's not that we
don't like kids. We manufacture alcohol.
Our thoughts about production, marketing, the ambience, all
geared towards people enjoying that, huh?
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Ambience. What I say?
Ambience like. Ambience, whatever.
Sure, I am ambience mowing my lawn.
We manufacture alcohol. Our thoughts about production,
marketing, the ambience are all geared towards providing this
product for our customers to enjoy.
They said they've had reoccurring problems with kick
balls, frisbee, dodge balls and our patio swing had to be taken
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down because it was confused with an amusement park ride.
Oh my God. Is exactly why I support this
rule and I think anybody callingthis brewery and threatening
death needs to be institutionalized if not jailed.
Here's the thing, whoever has these strong feelings, guess
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what they can do? They can vote with their dollar
and not go to the brewery. They can go to a different
brewery. Also, Ohio news flash, I was
there. I saw with my own eyes handfuls,
possibly hundreds of breweries. So just because they can't go to
East side after 7:00 PM, also they can go before 7:00 PM?
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Also, are you not putting your kids to bed?
Right. There's so many yes and
situations here. I support everything you're
saying. I support what the brewery has
decided to do and like you said,I don't understand why people
don't just use the power of their dollar.
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If you don't want that, then don't go there.
Go somewhere where your kid is allowed to go.
I don't, it's there. And by the way, they didn't say
no kids allowed just after 7 they're not allowed.
That's so crazy. Oh my God the people are so
insane. I would like the people that are
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sending the death threats to open their own brewery and see
how they like it when other people's children are destroying
their furniture. But when we talk about this
often and I no, we do not have kids.
Spoiler alert, you came to the podcast we that does not have
kids. So no, we have never been
parents. However, I don't need to be a
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parent to know that you can makeyour kid behave in public or
leave them at home. And I feel like every now and
then we see the silver lining where we encounter a child that
is being parented. Well.
We've been at a brewery where there has been very sweet
children 5% of the time. The other 95%, they're just
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running around screaming. So it it just goes back to the
parenting problem. I just, I know that I, we were
all children at one point, right?
I don't remember screaming to express myself.
I don't either. I remember like being so happy
and and laughing loudly and like, you know, occasionally
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like playing a a sport in the streets and being like over here
pass it. But I never just walked outside
and just went for fun. No.
And kids do that now that's whatit seems like.
That's what that's what it seemslike.
I don't know, like and or here'sthe thought.
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I mean it would create early, never mind it was a Shark Tank
pitch. I was saying why don't they
create a brewery? Like you know how Starbucks
people will go and get their kids a fake coffee like a
puppuccino, But it's like, but it's like a decaf coffee or like
a little kids cup or whatever, or like a little Frappuccino
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that has a decaf Frappuccino. So it's like a mini milkshake
for the kid or a hot chocolate or whatever.
And I was like, what if they just made like little mini kids
pilsners that are non alcoholic?But then I think that would like
encourage. It's just, I mean, it's candy
cigarettes all over again. But is that what people want?
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I maybe. Is that what these people want?
I mean, listen, we could do it. I'm, I'm frankly OK if we get
Flack for it. We'll call it kid Beer.
I mean I would like workshop thename a little bit, but.
I think I like Kid Bear. It's just straight to the point.
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Or maybe child booze, I don't know.
We can we can workshop. It, sure, but yeah.
Or what about sleepy time juice?I like sleepy time juice but I
feel like sleepy time juice would need to have alcohol in
it. What if we put in in it like CBD
instead so it like calms them down?
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Now we're just talking about sedating children, which also,
frankly, should be legal. And I think it is kind of right.
Yeah. Don't, don't correct me if I'm
wrong. Parents, if you're listening to
this podcast, send us a message,comment on Spotify, whatever you
want to do. Let us know.
Are you allowed to sedate your child?
Is that a legal thing you can do?
Is it OK? Isn't there like old country
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songs and stuff about like rubbing a rubbing a finger of
whiskey in your kids lips so they go to bed?
I don't, I mean, I've never heard of it, but sure I did.
You do that. Is that is that a more of a
personal life experience than itis a song?
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No, but like I thought it was like a thing, an old wives tale.
I don't. Know, I mean, I probably is,
you're probably not wrong, but like it is technically legal for
you. Like let's say you're traveling
with a dog. You can sedate the dog, right?
You're going on a flight, it's going to stress him out.
Can you not do the same thing with a child?
I don't know, I'm genuinely asking.
No, I don't, honey. I don't think you can sedate a
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child. I mean, there's like cold
medicine, but I don't think people it's ethical to just
like, give your kid Nyquil. That's not No.
Are you? You're Googling this?
Yeah. I'm going to have kids.
I'll look it up later. We're definitely going to lose
listeners. Sedating a child for a non
medical reason is illegal and considered child abuse.
OK well I never suggested it to be clear I I was just asking if
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it was legal. I don't.
I'm not condoning child abuse. Nobody come at me.
Go with the brewery that's closing at 7:00.
You mean like can if your kid can't fall asleep, can you give
them melatonin like? Oh yeah, essentially.
Or like, I think it's genuinely if they're having a hard time,
if they're terrified on an airplane.
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Well, like there's other things like, yeah, I don't know.
There's other yeah. Why is it OK to give a dog CBD
but not a kid? That's what I mean.
It's not. I don't see it as cruel.
It's not considered animal abuseto give a dog CBD.
No, my only question, and this is where we just need to have a
doctor on some time to just ask them.
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We should just make a list of questions we have about
everything and just rattle it off.
But. If if you are a listener and you
happen to be a doctor, can you please DM us because so that we
can have you on as a guest? Thank you.
We need one in rotation because Doctor Oz, that guy's busy now.
Yeah, he's a part of the, he's apart of the administration.
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But I, I I could see a world in which somebody would say like,
oh, you can't because their brain is developing and that
affects development. OK, that makes sense.
I don't know. I could see either.
Way people take magnesium to go to sleep, people take melatonin.
No, I don't. Yes, I think Benadryl, Nyquil,
these things are bad to give a kid.
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But I think I'm talking about natural supplements like
magnesium, CBD and melatonin. Are these natural supplements
also bad for brain development? I don't know.
These are things you need to look up.
It's crazy because I feel like we start off, you know, with
decent opinions and like really grounded in reality, and then I
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feel like 90 seconds after that we say something that completely
takes away all of our legitimacy.
That's the whole point, is it not?
Yeah, I'm just. Trying, I'm just trying to get
ahead of it, of the narrative and and tell people out loud
that I hear it too. And like we stand by, come.
On we're just thinking out loud.Nobody should listen to this and
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consider it a medical opinion. Unless I'm right, and then yes,
it is one. Sure, sure, sure, sure.
But no, I appreciate the disclaimer for legal purposes.
Anyway, I thought that story wascrazy and that's the type of
thing I want to keep an eye out for because there have been
other places that have implemented this type of rule.
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Speaking of, what are some otherthings?
What are some places, some some activities that would be better
without children? I think there should be an
airline. No kid air.
I think that there should be in the same way that there are
adults only resorts, why not an airline?
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I think there should be adults only restaurants.
I don't know if there are many that specifically say that out
loud, you know? Yeah, I don't think there's any,
because then that would be considered like discrimination.
I mean, I guess the brewery justdid it that we talked about,
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but. Yeah, but that's because of, I
think they can get away with that because of alcohol like.
True, yeah. It but I don't restaurants where
they just have food that. Should be allowed, Should be.
Allowed. I was going to say movie
theaters. Yeah, that's a good one.
Movie theaters is a good but I guess.
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Well I guess an R rated movie you're not supposed to bring a
kid into so we could just see our new rule.
Could just be that we only see Rrated movies.
But you can bring a kid into an R rated movie if the parents
there they just can't go by themselves.
Oh yeah, right. See, I agree.
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That's a good one though. That's a really.
Good one. I think it should be that you
can't bring a kit like that. Rule should be like gotten rid
of, you know, banished. Which rule that?
The movie theater rule. Yeah, that if that, if it's
rated R or PG13, you can't go ineven if there's an adult with
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you. OK, yeah, we can get strict
about it. Sure, why not?
Because also, yeah, why is a parent bringing a kid into an R
rated movie anyways? I have another one for the list.
Costco. Costco should be adults only and
I say that for the safety of thechild.
Is an 8 year old buying things in bulk?
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I don't think so. No, they're getting in there and
they're, it's like when we talked about the farmers market,
they're getting in there and they're putting their fingers in
all the samples. And they're climbing on pallets
of stuff that could fall over and smush them.
And they're putting their feet on white furniture and running
around. And I saw a kid.
I went to Costco a couple weeks ago and saw a kid wearing roller
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blades inside the Costco. Like Healy's?
No, because I've, I did Healy's once when I was a kid in stores
and it was a blast. I probably we talked.
About that you were a menace to society and that Healy's.
Knowing that Healy's were ever on your body almost gave me the
ick. I think Healy's can make a
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comeback. I think if they in 2025 they
released Healy's for adults theycould make a killing.
I I hate that and everything that you stand for in this
moment. If I were to buy and use a pair
of Heelys at the age of 35, would it affect our marriage?
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Yes, noted. Like I wouldn't divorce you're.
Noted fun here. No, I wouldn't divorce you, but
I also probably wouldn't touch you.
I mean, that's fair. That's fair.
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OK, I won't buy them. I won't buy them.
But if you can think of anythingelse.
At your own risk, you can buy them, you know.
Yeah, that's true. All right, fair enough choices.
It's all about. Choices I've I don't think
you're not coordinated, but I don't think it would be like the
best thing ever for you to be rolling on your heels.
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I feel like you would fall. I can confidently say if I were
to buy and use Healy's at the age of 35, it would end our
marriage because I would die. I would.
I would accidentally roll off a Cliff.
I would roll around inside a Sam's Club and bang my head on
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the corner of a pallet. I would accidentally roll in
front of a car in a busy intersection.
Like something bad would definitely happen.
Every single time I see a child in Healy's.
So 10 out of 10 * 100% of the time the intrusive thought of
tripping them is in my brain. Have I done it?
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No 0 out of 10 * 0% of the time I've actually tripped a child,
but 100% of the time I think about, I fantasize about doing
it. You know, in movies when you see
somebody fantasize something like that, they fantasize
something and then like they snap back into reality.
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How cool would that be if that was like a superpower?
Because you could itch the scratch of like your worst
instincts just to see how it would play out and then rewind
the tape and not actually committo it.
You know what I mean? Yeah, you said itch the scratch,
so scratch the itch. Scratch the itch.
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Yeah, scratch the itch. But like somebody pulls you off
in traffic and you're like, FM, I'm going to hit them their car
with my car and you do it. And then you're like zip back to
reality and you're like, that was entertaining, but I didn't
actually commit to that. You know, that would be so cool.
It would be cool. Anyway, I don't.
You're saying, you're saying allkinds of things today.
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I know I love it. I'm on one, moving on.
Got a couple things from Reddit here.
Couple questions, a couple thought starters and then yes we
do want to get into leaving a legacy.
This one person wrote on Reddit the the dink Reddit page.
I have a shower thought but as aquestion I was thinking about
this with hearing another story about people who donated sperm a
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while ago and was talking about parents used IVF or donors to
have kids. As a child free person, would
you ever want to help a friend or a family member if they
needed a sperm or an egg donation?
What do you think? I would never carry the child in
me, like I would never be a surrogate, but I would be fine
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with giving. I don't care if I mean, it's
it's your funeral if it turns out bad, you know what I mean?
Like if it turns out. It's your funeral, if the kid
kills you, it's not on. Me.
I mean like if the kid turns outto have scoliosis and
depression, like you fucking knew, I told you, you know it's.
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But if they, you know, they could turn out to be tall and
like, opinionated. I would be down to give someone
my eggs if they were a really close friend and they were
infertile. Yeah.
I don't care if a version of me exists, I just don't want to
take care of it. See, I have the opposite
opinion. I don't think.
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Yeah, I don't think that. I don't think I could live
knowing that somebody who's technically, legally my
offspring is living in the world.
Really. Yeah.
Because I like, let's say, let'srun through it real quick.
Let's say somebody needed my help, which first of all, I
think it's I, I would feel weirdeven with somebody approaching
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me for that, you know, you'd be like, why me and also you?
Well, you'd be like, you're so God, you're so obsessed with me,
you want to have a little me like crazy.
Do you want to sleep with me? I don't understand but I would
have like if if it was a friend or a family member who needed
the help and then we went through with it for the rest of
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my life. It can't be honey, it can't be a
family member that's. No that's true, not sorry a
friend. I'm just reading what the Reddit
person said. I definitely not a family
member. You're right, definitely not a
family member. But if a friend needed help, or
somebody I knew needed help, or anybody really, a stranger
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needed help. It's like my brother like
needed. Stop, stop.
No, we we get it. But if anybody needed my help I
and we went through with it, I would not be able to see that
kid as like not mine. So.
I would think, but I I would feel responsible for it even if
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I technically wasn't. You know, I wouldn't I would, I
think I would be able to fully high 5 my tiny self and be like
cool bye like. Have a good life.
Yeah, dope. Glad glad this worked out for
you. I yeah, no, I just wouldn't.
As long as it was like a fully like agreement situation.
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I feel really confident, my ability to be detached.
Would you need? Would you?
Would you need to be paid for itin some kind of way?
My gut reaction is absolutely, but if it was like there's like
4 people that I would do it with, no, Like I would want them
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to cover the medical costs of extracting the eggs.
I think that's expensive, but like I wouldn't need to like
make money off of it for like 4 people that we know.
I would totally do it for free. But those four people don't want
kids so we never have to cross this bridge.
And if anyone other than those four people wanted it, then I
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would expect a payday. Did you ever look into doing
this at all when you were, you know, in college or a young
adult trying to make money? Cause a lot of people do
consider it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have googled
extensively how much money you can make off of giving eggs and
I've definitely considered it. I the only reason I didn't is
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because it does really fuck withyour hormones and I'm like
emotional enough and I didn't need like more of an emotional
roller coaster, isn't it? Painful too, for a female.
Yeah. Yeah.
There's a lot you have to like you have to do injections in
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your stomach for a while. Yeah, that's, and you have to
like pump yourself with estrogenand a lot of people fluctuate
and wait. So they because you're, you
know, pumping yourself with extra hormones, sometimes you
gain weight and and you get, youknow, different emotions running
through your body and blah, blah, blah.
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So it's not as easy for ladies. So that's why if it was as easy
as the sperm bank. You'd be in there every Tuesday.
No, but I, I would probably havehave done it when I was like,
you know, making way less money than I am now.
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I probably would have done it for money previously, yeah.
I, I mean, I definitely like looked into it very briefly at
one point, but then I don't for whatever reason, I was like, I
don't think I could do it. I don't know.
I think it's partially the, you know, knowing that my kid would
be out there somewhere again, I would feel somehow responsible
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and a little bit like catastrophic thinking wise.
I would think like what if they do something and they scan this
kids DNA and somehow I am responsible for something.
I don't know. That everyone has different DNA
so they would know it's not physically you.
Well, I know that's not a clone,but like they would be able to,
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I don't know. Also, honey, this is you're
omitting like a huge part of this whenever you go to the
sperm bank. Can't you check the box that you
don't want to know and you don'twant to be contacted so you
don't ever know? You can, but I would know that
by being there, it would be likely that I would have a child
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out there and I would just not be able to not think about it.
I just know myself too well. I wouldn't be able to not think
about it. I think about it all the time.
I fully didn't expect that answer from you.
Well, This is why we do the podcast, you know.
Sure, we reveal truths to one another.
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Here's another one, this is fromanother person on Reddit who
said when should I bring up not wanting to have kids?
I'm a 23, I'm a 23 year old woman and my boyfriend who's 24
and I have been together for a year.
I recently came to the realization that I'm almost
certain I don't want kids. Do I bring this up now, and if
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so, how? Yeah.
Yeah, bring it up now. I yeah, a year is almost like,
damn, it hasn't come up yet. Like, I guess when you're that
young, maybe you're not talking about it, but I just think when
you're out in public, when you're on a date, when you see a
kid, like, has this never come up?
I don't know. Maybe not.
That's fine. You should definitely bring it
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up so that if he really, really,really, really, really wants to
be a dad, then then he can move along and you don't get more
invested. Yeah, I would say the
conversation's pretty simple. You sit down and say, hey, I've
been thinking a lot about our future together.
I I really love you, but I just want to be honest.
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This is how I'm feeling. Is that a deal breaker for you?
Yeah, I have. People get so caught up in like,
well, how do I bring it up? And the answer is you just start
saying the words. Yeah, just just say it.
I mean, if you if you can't say it, then that's probably
indicative of a larger problem. Well yeah, that's a bad sign
that you can't, that you don't feel open to talk about these
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things if you've been together already for an entire year of
time. I get if not everyone is as fast
and loose with their opinions tobring it up on a second date
cough cough me, but I think you should feel comfortable enough
after at least at least a few months to just like for sure not
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even that oh that's on the tableright away but just hey, just
out of respect for you and your time.
Yeah, I mean, like you said, youyou mentioned to me on our
second date that you didn't wantto have kids.
Some people would see that as like, maybe it's too soon to
have the conversation. Maybe it's presumptuous.
But I, I respected that when we were dating because I was like,
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yeah, let's get it all out there, you know?
Well, OK, this is how I look at it a little bit.
When you're dating someone on a dating app that's like a single
parent, you expect that person to tell you within the first or
second date, hey, I'm a parent so that you're not just dating
me, there's another person involved.
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I look at the decision to have kids the same as that.
Like if you want kids, great, wecan talk down the line, but if
you don't want kids, then we shouldn't be together.
Like if. Yeah, that's a great point.
I completely agree with that. That's a great point.
Thanks. Wow.
Look at, oh, why look at you. We should do like an advice
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podcast. I like this.
Let's start. Let's keep the questions coming.
Yeah, people have questions. OK, here's the last one from
Reddit and this will get into our larger conversation.
Seattle Angel advisor says on Reddit leaving a legacy.
There must be others like me, noclose family, no children, no
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plans to have children. To whom do you imagine leaving
your estate? Children of friends, charity,
other. I'm interested in people's
perspectives and ideas, and thisis the one that I saw on Reddit
that leads to our larger conversation, which is how do
you and if at all do you leave alegacy if you are a member of
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the DINK community like you and I are?
And also, how do you even begin this process?
Because we are in our 30s and technically speaking, it's
probably around the time that weshould start thinking about
actually making a will, which isa weird, it's a weird thing to
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think about. Yes, yes, because we are in a
healthy committed long term relationship, legally binding
and it's still can be messy. It the all of the logistics of
everything can be messy. So I don't know what any any
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initial thoughts before we startdiving into this?
I just, it's interesting becauseI think people get really hung
up on like their items and theirreputation and their legacy and
their assets and it's like when you die, you're not going to
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care. Like what are we?
Doesn't go with you. Doing.
And obviously it's weird. Yeah, it is weirder because it's
so straightforward. If you have kids, you leave
everything to your kids done, you know?
So it is more difficult, I guessto decide if you don't have
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kids. It's a little bit less
straightforward. But I really don't, it's not a,
it's not a selling point like, well, we have to have a kid
because otherwise who do we leave the 2012 Fiat to?
Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's a little, it's a
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little different. Well, let me start here.
And I would kind of want to get into like I, I know it sounds
like some of this will sound a little obvious, but I kind of
want to get into what a will is,how that works and all that.
Oh God, and. I I, it's just part of the
conversation. It's informative, but let's
start here. Is there anything like what is
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your relationship at this point in your life with stuff like if
you think about your family and things that you would like to be
left to you, what things are most important to you?
For me, it's photos and art like, and I don't mean art that
was acquired. I don't want my parents Thomas
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Kincaid photo or anything like that.
But like if I had a family member that created art of some
kind, that type of thing, I'd I'd love to be able to hang on
to because it means something tome.
There's random things there's like my dad's, which I don't
think they have any more, my dad's record player, things like
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that. I feel like I have a little bit
of sentimental value around. The like what was it is like
ANES or something and a old pickup truck or record player or
like I feel like you've mentioned that all of the good
stuff you would have wanted is gone anyway.
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Well, no, but but here's the other thing I will say about it
is I I am not going to be upset with anybody if you choose to
get rid of every single thing inyour possession.
No, completely like. There is nothing I want like an
ornament, like we don't want a house or a car.
I want an ornament or a photo like I don't want it.
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I think it's. Important to make the
clarification too that that doesn't mean that we hate what
you have or anything like that. It's just that is not where at
this point in my life I put really a ton of emphasis or
value. In I don't put any emphasis or
value in our own couch or our own or our own items.
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Like if I croaked tomorrow, I would assume that all of our
stuff would just go to Goodwill and my mom would keep all our
pictures. Like you know what?
I. Mean, yeah, totally.
Things that I definitely don't want my report cards from when I
was in first grade, that kind ofstuff like I don't need that.
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I don't need the the rocking chair I used as a kid or the
toys that I definitely don't need toys like.
Donate those to somebody who canuse them.
The stuff you thought was cool was more like just vintage
collectibles, the like the record player type thing.
Yeah. Things that have been in the
family for a long time, you know, I think are cool.
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Not not even from like, oh, they're valuable, but like, oh,
this, this is this has been a bit of my family's story, that
kind of stuff. I think it's really interesting.
But everybody's different and every, every, you know, opinion
in that field, I guess is, is valid because everybody
emphasizes something different. But OK, this is what I wanted to
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say about the will. If you don't have one, the state
decides on how it all works. And the reason it's important to
have one is because that really,if you don't have one, it slows
it down. Like it is obvious to say if I
passed away, everything would goto you, right?
But if I don't have a will that stipulates that you would, you
would be waiting a significant amount of time before that
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happened. It has to go into like what's
called probate court and all of that stuff, which is so icky.
Like just that's why it's so good to have one because you can
just make it all kind of happen quickly.
You know, just a couple of the bits of language.
An executor is the person who carries out your wishes.
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The beneficiaries are the peoplewho get the things.
Guardian is only relevant if youhave children or pets.
Let's talk about this. Who would be good?
Like pet? I'm getting choked up.
Who would be good pet parents? Like, what will we do with the
pets? I assume they're going to
outlive us. Well, yeah, of course.
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I assume my mom would get them. I kind of assume that too.
Because. She's God bless them a lot
already. And RIP because that would be
really difficult to take care ofan extra 2 dogs and two cats on
top of her dog. So it would be just her alone
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taking care of five pets, but she would do it.
Part of me though, also wants tosay that the dogs would be
mature enough by that point to like live on their own and get
jobs and, and pay their own bills and you know, things like
that. So you can do LegalZoom or
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there's a couple free options for this.
The only thing is that you, it costs like $1000 to get one
together. If you use like a lawyer, lawyer
LegalZoom, I think you can do one for like 100 bucks, which is
probably what we'll eventually do.
But doing nothing. Not a good idea.
OK. Doing nothing and dying.
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Bad choice. Who is there anybody that you
feel like obviously we don't have children.
That's what people obviously do when they have kids is leave it
to the kids. Let's assume and again, this is
all a fun discussion. I'm not trying to be morbid in
any way, but let's assume you and I just something happens and
we go out together. We, you know, had a bad meal
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that gave us deadly food poisoning.
But yeah, what age are we when this happens?
Because it doesn't. Are we assuming that people
older than us in our family are still alive?
Or are we assuming that we are the youngest ones?
That's a good question. I would assume we are the
youngest ones. Like there is nobody.
We have no family in next of kin, so there's nobody in our
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bloodline left. That's it.
It was a good run, you know? Is there any like, you know,
some people give their money to like a animal organization.
I think Oprah has it in her willthat she gives like a shit ton
to, you know, the ASPCA or something like that.
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Do you feel strongly about anything like that?
Yeah. OK.
Yeah, I think that animals could, I mean at least half.
Yeah. What do you I mean, I'm assuming
by that point we'll have, you know, pretty penny to show for
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ourselves. I would assume so too.
I'm kind of thinking of this like we have millions of dollars
to leave somebody. Here's my thing.
I almost think like it's tempting to go, OK, I would
leave the money to, like I said,the ASPCA or something like
that. But there's, I feel like it kind
of gets lost in the weeds, you know, I feel like we should.
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Like gentle barn or something like something like somewhere
like that. Yeah, we're almost like we
should put in our will that upon, you know, whatever
happening that a a new organization dedicated to fill
in the blank is started. That's kind of where my head's
out of like, do we open posthumously A weenie dog rescue
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organization or something? Sure, sure.
You know that that promotes the health and well-being and
preservation of the weenie dog race.
Alternate idea We could we couldstart that organization while
we're alive and we. Could.
And then give all of our life savings to it when we die to
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keep it running when we're gone.We could, we could.
That's not a bad idea. Yeah, I, I feel, I feel pretty
strongly about some sort of animal cause and whether that's,
you know, a foster system or a animal rescue or some
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organization that like fights for animal rights in terms of
legislation and all of that. I feel pretty strongly about
that. Yeah.
I think I would want to leave itto some animal organization.
So I say all that to say, if youare an animal organization and
you'd like to start making your case, I don't.
Yeah, start early. Start now and we'll make a
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decision. If you'd like to start sending
us Edible Arrangements to buy our love for when we die, yeah,
we are open to that. We we're.
Definitely open to it. We're definitely open to it.
Is there anything else that you can think of that you would want
to like? I can't, I don't know, pass on
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to a friend or I. I just feel like our friends are
very like minded and a lot of them just don't need stuff.
I don't know. I mean, all of our friends are
also going to be old, so, you know, like we're all around the
same age. So then they're probably going
to not need the money. But I mean, I guess like your
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best friend is having a kid, so we could always toss that kid a
couple G's, you know? Could toss the kid a couple G's,
yeah, or maybe like a scholarship fund or something.
That could be kind of cool. Some sort of yeah, or like,
because yeah, here's the thing. Here's the thing I want if we do
a scholarship for any child related best friends or not, I
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want there to be stipulations for accessing the money.
Of course it to be like you can't touch the money until
you're this age or you have thisGPA.
Like you can't just have this chunk of money.
You have to like, be good. Yeah, I agree.
I agree. I think that's, I think that's
kind of wise. So you put it in a trust,
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essentially a trust has right, Right, right rules.
Yeah, for like nieces and nephews and all that.
I'd be, I'd definitely be open to that as long as the rules are
kept. I mean, I had friends that, you
know, had unfortunately had parents pass away and things
like that and they had trust that were left to them with
certain rules and certain stipulations.
And I think that's a good thing for people's protection.
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Like you kind of help them help themselves.
I think it also might be cool tolike if we have a a me and and
babe park bench somewhere or something.
You know how people do those butlike in a really obscure space.
Honey, people get a park bench so that they can go sit on it
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and remember their family, but if we're a park bench, we can't
go sit on it. Just we can't.
But then people can, you know? To remember us.
Yes, let's pick our favorite place and like, make it a thing.
And then people will go and be like, who is that?
I don't know who that is. And then sit on us.
You know, I think that would be cool.
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Sure. Well, we have to pick a place.
Yeah, wait, let's pick a place that's like really Instagram
able. So then and then and be like tag
us. Tag us.
Tag us while we're dead. Yeah, but OK, how funny would
that would wouldn't you laugh your ass off if we went to like
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a picturesque lookout, let's saylike Lake Arrowhead or
something, and there was like a bench and like this cute
overlook or whatever. And then there was a placard and
it said like in your photos of this area, or if you're take a
photo sitting on this bench withthis view, like tag us, and you
went to tag the account and it turned out the people were dead.
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Wouldn't you fucking laugh your ass off?
That's hilarious. I would, I'm not going to lie.
I feel like that's so us. OK, now you've opened up a whole
other can of worms, which is is there something funny we want to
do, you know? Oh, is there something funny we
want to do where we, like, record an entire podcast episode
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that's scheduled for after our death?
Yeah, that has like every unapologetic opinion about
everything that we've ever experienced in life.
I'm not talking like, oh, we getto finally expose that we're
racist. No, nothing like.
That no. Because that's not a thing and
that's not true. I'm talking about like hey so
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and so from 7th grade who bullied me?
F you, you know. Like.
Or I don't know. I don't, I don't know.
That could be. It's kind of a fun thing to
think about. It's kind of like when people
leave the Big Brother house how they have 90 seconds to like say
whatever they want and be like mic drop and then leave the.
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House, yeah, I think it would bekind of interesting anyway.
Legacy. I don't, I personally I, I
don't. I want my legacy to be something
not monetary, not obligation. I want it to be like some some
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cool thing I did. Or like a radio like would you
give like money to the Chapman radio program or some Or maybe I
like start a scholarship for like comedy?
Maybe I would be open to it. I would be open to it, but I I
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would like the thing that like I'm remembered for to not be
tied to money. I'd rather it be tied to like
remember that. Remember that movie he made with
or or whatever? You know, not saying I
necessarily want to be. A director.
But it's the art that we leave behind, that we the the projects
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we created. That's the whole point of being
an entertainment. Yeah, it's, it's, you're leaving
your expression behind and I think that's kind of cool.
Yeah. Wow, we really solved it there.
We're really good, we and now I guess we got to pay LegalZoom
while we're thinking of it, you know?
LegalZoom not a sponsor but theycould be of how does.
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This episode not count as a will, you know what I mean,
'cause it's on, we're on record.I mean if.
OK. You said the state of
California. I know you said we need a doctor
on staff, we need a lawyer on staff and we have a friend who's
a lawyer, so maybe we should have her tap in and tell us what
the legalities. And all this is I don't think
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she specializes in end of life affairs but.
She probably doesn't, but I feellike lawyers all have a base
level knowledge of end of life stuff now.
Is that not something they teachyou in bar classes?
Is it called bar classes? I don't know.
I don't know. OK, before we go, I have a
listener message I want to get to, but also wanted to share my
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hope for humanity this week, which is a segment we do where
we talk about a kid who gave us faith that not all kids are bad
kids. The segment is faith in
humanity, but sure. What did I say?
Hope in humanity. Yeah.
Faith in humanity. I I was on a plane this this
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past weekend and there was a child in my row and he was
particularly well behaved. He was probably 7 or 8 and he
slept the entire flight. He did not make a noise.
He didn't. Say a single thing.
That's what I was wondering. It was a late flight so maybe he
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was just sleepy, but he didn't have an iPad where he was
playing a game that was super loud.
He didn't, you know, obnoxiouslychew on things.
He didn't smell, he didn't kick,he didn't move.
He looked. Like he was passed out.
No. And I was like, wow, good kid.
Right as we landed and as the plane started, like people
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started getting off the plane. He stood up and there was a guy.
You know, when people do it's, it's one of our pet peeves when
people get up and try to like rush the door and it's they're
like 10 rows behind you. You haven't even gone yet, but
they're trying to like rush ahead of people.
It's one of the most irritating things about being on an
airplane. This 7 or 8 year old kid noticed
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that this guy was walking past me and he turned to him and said
you have to wait your turn. And I was like what?
Not only were you incredibly well behaved on this flight, you
still knew justice. Yes, you knew exactly what
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should be the rule of law on this planet.
The etiquette. Oh my God.
Should wait your turn. And the guy was so taken aback
by that. It was.
It was way more satisfying than if I had said it.
Oh my God, did he stop in his tracks and wait his turn?
He just kind of like sheepishly backed up, but it's like, dude,
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how lame is it that the seven-year old had to be the
adult? Whoa, Oh my God.
I think I would have applauded and cried and told them to
promote him to pilot. Let him fly the plane.
Wasn't that great? Oh my.
God. I just thought that was so cool.
I'm like, hell yeah, good on ya.You're a good kid.
You're a good parent. What did the parent do?
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He was just, like, shaking his head up and down, like, hell
yeah, son, you're a good kid, You know?
He was proud of them. He was proud of them.
See. There are good ones out there.
I know it was so satisfying. What is the common thread of all
the good children that we talk about that they have traits of
adults but. Well, no, that they have good
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parents. That's truly what it is because
good parenting allows you to mature and like I think that
they got it figured out. Gold stars to everyone involved.
Gold stars message from a listener before we go.
This one's from Stevie who sent us Adm on Instagram at the
dinkside pod. She said I just want to say how
much I appreciate both of you been listening to you both for
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quite some time. Katie, I just want to be your
friend. I love how you were
unapologetically child free and loving the lifestyle.
I've had a hard time with my brother recently who has two
kids now and playing the whole since I'm a parent now and
acting like some moral authoritylike people who don't have kids
aren't or something I can't quite put my finger on.
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But the condescension is really palpable.
This is what we talked about thethe like holier than thou
mentality that some people have.She says.
Sorry for dumping all that but it's just so nice and refreshing
to hear like minded people that reinforce mine and my husband's
decision to not have kids. Also your vacation recently
sounded amazing. We're going on our first cruise.
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We only considered child free ones and can't wait for our
Virgin Voyages cruise early nextyear.
Oh my God, invite us. Child free cruise Love the
episodes and topics that you guys bring up, especially the
random ones and I look forward to the next episode that is from
Stevie. Thank you, Stevie.
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Thank you, Stevie. You know what?
That fills up my cup. I changed.
I changed my will. Call the lawyer.
I'm leaving it all to Stevie andthat kid on the plane.
Hell yeah. Congratulations, a 2012 Fiat is
yours. Yeah, wow.
And two cats and two dogs. So.
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That's a lot of responsibility. I know you don't want kids, but
here you go. Yeah.
All right. Love you all.
We'll see you next time. Bye.
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opinion on these people. America's birth rate has hit its
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Some are blaming it on infertility.
Others say the state of the world is causing couples to
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Childless marriages could be a good thing if they were a result
of God's sovereign providential work.
Oh my God, can't even hear you. They like avocado toast and
brunches out and going to plays and having sweet vacations.
Yeah, you're probably super selfish.
Kids are better than brunch. Wrong.
And then there's another group of young couples that wants the
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Welcome to The DINK Side, the podcast about life, laughs and
living child free. We are a double income, no kids
couple navigating the UPS, downsand hilarious in betweens of
choosing a different path in a world that won't stop asking so
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many heaven kids. Like I said, we are Dinks, we
are Cameron and Katie and today we're going to talk about
legacy. Legacy and all the
responsibility of stuff when we die.
A word used heavily by people that seem to have almost no
(01:24):
assets. So dead to real and accurate.
Yeah. So we're going to talk about
legacy. We're going to talk about death
a bit, but I promise it'll be ina fun lens.
It'll be in a fun lens. Before we get to that though, I
have quite a few things to run through, a few things from
Reddit, and a story I wanted to read you and I think, I think
(01:50):
that this is something you and Ihave talked about, our friends
and I have talked about, and I think you're going to be on
board. I know which way your opinion is
going to lie, but let's talk about it nonetheless.
There is a brewery in Ohio that is going through a bit of a
tough time because they announced recently past 7:00 PM,
no children allowed. No children allowed.
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The brewery said it's been a good change, however, over the
last few months since they've made the switch, they've been
getting death threats online from upset parents and
customers. Oh my God.
Death threats. Wait, OK, first of all, you said
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Ohio. Ohio, yeah.
Great. I was there for shows twice this
year and I cannot wait to go back.
The people there are so fun and I will absolutely be going to
this brewery and I will be going, oh, you guessed it, after
7 PMI honey, it's actually goingto get.
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We're starting out with stress hives.
I cannot believe that people arethis fucking insane.
I I need to drink my beer with my child there.
I need I need to be at a brewerywhere I'm consuming alcohol and
drive my child home after I've had beers, and I need my child
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to be at a brewery where the child doesn't even want.
To be I have said it many times recently, I would prefer if the
breweries remain breweries because so many brought
microbreweries. Have you been to any breweries
recently? In the last couple of years they
have turned into glorified playgrounds.
Glorified playgrounds. Here's my pitch.
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Brewery breweries should be considered 21 plus bars because
there is alcohol being served there and children don't need to
be at the epicenter of alcohol. However, there are breweries
like Chicken and Pickle right where it's a pickleball court
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and also a bar brewery. I pitch that someone, maybe
someone that's sending death threats, puts their money where
their mouth is and opens a brewery that is child centric
and has, wait for it, a playground in the middle instead
of pickleball courts. So that the people that really,
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really, really want to take their kids to a brewery have
one, and the kids actually have more fun because there's a
playground there. Because it's catered to them
100%. Right, so they should get to
have special breweries where kids have more fun.
But the other water brewery should be left as 21 plus bars.
Duh. Why does it take me to say this?
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Why? This is This is why we do the
podcast. We need to advocate for this
type of existence in life. The East Side Brewing Company is
the name of the brewery. And they said it's not that we
don't like kids. We manufacture alcohol.
Our thoughts about production, marketing, the ambience, all
geared towards people enjoying that, huh?
(05:07):
Ambience. What I say?
Ambience like. Ambience, whatever.
Sure, I am ambience mowing my lawn.
We manufacture alcohol. Our thoughts about production,
marketing, the ambience are all geared towards providing this
product for our customers to enjoy.
They said they've had reoccurring problems with kick
balls, frisbee, dodge balls and our patio swing had to be taken
(05:31):
down because it was confused with an amusement park ride.
Oh my God. Is exactly why I support this
rule and I think anybody callingthis brewery and threatening
death needs to be institutionalized if not jailed.
Here's the thing, whoever has these strong feelings, guess
(05:54):
what they can do? They can vote with their dollar
and not go to the brewery. They can go to a different
brewery. Also, Ohio news flash, I was
there. I saw with my own eyes handfuls,
possibly hundreds of breweries. So just because they can't go to
East side after 7:00 PM, also they can go before 7:00 PM?
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Also, are you not putting your kids to bed?
Right. There's so many yes and
situations here. I support everything you're
saying. I support what the brewery has
decided to do and like you said,I don't understand why people
don't just use the power of their dollar.
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If you don't want that, then don't go there.
Go somewhere where your kid is allowed to go.
I don't, it's there. And by the way, they didn't say
no kids allowed just after 7 they're not allowed.
That's so crazy. Oh my God the people are so
insane. I would like the people that are
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sending the death threats to open their own brewery and see
how they like it when other people's children are destroying
their furniture. But when we talk about this
often and I no, we do not have kids.
Spoiler alert, you came to the podcast we that does not have
kids. So no, we have never been
parents. However, I don't need to be a
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parent to know that you can makeyour kid behave in public or
leave them at home. And I feel like every now and
then we see the silver lining where we encounter a child that
is being parented. Well.
We've been at a brewery where there has been very sweet
children 5% of the time. The other 95%, they're just
(07:47):
running around screaming. So it it just goes back to the
parenting problem. I just, I know that I, we were
all children at one point, right?
I don't remember screaming to express myself.
I don't either. I remember like being so happy
and and laughing loudly and like, you know, occasionally
(08:11):
like playing a a sport in the streets and being like over here
pass it. But I never just walked outside
and just went for fun. No.
And kids do that now that's whatit seems like.
That's what that's what it seemslike.
I don't know, like and or here'sthe thought.
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I mean it would create early, never mind it was a Shark Tank
pitch. I was saying why don't they
create a brewery? Like you know how Starbucks
people will go and get their kids a fake coffee like a
puppuccino, But it's like, but it's like a decaf coffee or like
a little kids cup or whatever, or like a little Frappuccino
(08:55):
that has a decaf Frappuccino. So it's like a mini milkshake
for the kid or a hot chocolate or whatever.
And I was like, what if they just made like little mini kids
pilsners that are non alcoholic?But then I think that would like
encourage. It's just, I mean, it's candy
cigarettes all over again. But is that what people want?
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I maybe. Is that what these people want?
I mean, listen, we could do it. I'm, I'm frankly OK if we get
Flack for it. We'll call it kid Beer.
I mean I would like workshop thename a little bit, but.
I think I like Kid Bear. It's just straight to the point.
(09:36):
Or maybe child booze, I don't know.
We can we can workshop. It, sure, but yeah.
Or what about sleepy time juice?I like sleepy time juice but I
feel like sleepy time juice would need to have alcohol in
it. What if we put in in it like CBD
instead so it like calms them down?
(09:57):
Now we're just talking about sedating children, which also,
frankly, should be legal. And I think it is kind of right.
Yeah. Don't, don't correct me if I'm
wrong. Parents, if you're listening to
this podcast, send us a message,comment on Spotify, whatever you
want to do. Let us know.
Are you allowed to sedate your child?
Is that a legal thing you can do?
Is it OK? Isn't there like old country
(10:20):
songs and stuff about like rubbing a rubbing a finger of
whiskey in your kids lips so they go to bed?
I don't, I mean, I've never heard of it, but sure I did.
You do that. Is that is that a more of a
personal life experience than itis a song?
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No, but like I thought it was like a thing, an old wives tale.
I don't. Know, I mean, I probably is,
you're probably not wrong, but like it is technically legal for
you. Like let's say you're traveling
with a dog. You can sedate the dog, right?
You're going on a flight, it's going to stress him out.
Can you not do the same thing with a child?
I don't know, I'm genuinely asking.
No, I don't, honey. I don't think you can sedate a
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child. I mean, there's like cold
medicine, but I don't think people it's ethical to just
like, give your kid Nyquil. That's not No.
Are you? You're Googling this?
Yeah. I'm going to have kids.
I'll look it up later. We're definitely going to lose
listeners. Sedating a child for a non
medical reason is illegal and considered child abuse.
OK well I never suggested it to be clear I I was just asking if
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it was legal. I don't.
I'm not condoning child abuse. Nobody come at me.
Go with the brewery that's closing at 7:00.
You mean like can if your kid can't fall asleep, can you give
them melatonin like? Oh yeah, essentially.
Or like, I think it's genuinely if they're having a hard time,
if they're terrified on an airplane.
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Well, like there's other things like, yeah, I don't know.
There's other yeah. Why is it OK to give a dog CBD
but not a kid? That's what I mean.
It's not. I don't see it as cruel.
It's not considered animal abuseto give a dog CBD.
No, my only question, and this is where we just need to have a
doctor on some time to just ask them.
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We should just make a list of questions we have about
everything and just rattle it off.
But. If if you are a listener and you
happen to be a doctor, can you please DM us because so that we
can have you on as a guest? Thank you.
We need one in rotation because Doctor Oz, that guy's busy now.
Yeah, he's a part of the, he's apart of the administration.
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But I, I I could see a world in which somebody would say like,
oh, you can't because their brain is developing and that
affects development. OK, that makes sense.
I don't know. I could see either.
Way people take magnesium to go to sleep, people take melatonin.
No, I don't. Yes, I think Benadryl, Nyquil,
these things are bad to give a kid.
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But I think I'm talking about natural supplements like
magnesium, CBD and melatonin. Are these natural supplements
also bad for brain development? I don't know.
These are things you need to look up.
It's crazy because I feel like we start off, you know, with
decent opinions and like really grounded in reality, and then I
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feel like 90 seconds after that we say something that completely
takes away all of our legitimacy.
That's the whole point, is it not?
Yeah, I'm just. Trying, I'm just trying to get
ahead of it, of the narrative and and tell people out loud
that I hear it too. And like we stand by, come.
On we're just thinking out loud.Nobody should listen to this and
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consider it a medical opinion. Unless I'm right, and then yes,
it is one. Sure, sure, sure, sure.
But no, I appreciate the disclaimer for legal purposes.
Anyway, I thought that story wascrazy and that's the type of
thing I want to keep an eye out for because there have been
other places that have implemented this type of rule.
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Speaking of, what are some otherthings?
What are some places, some some activities that would be better
without children? I think there should be an
airline. No kid air.
I think that there should be in the same way that there are
adults only resorts, why not an airline?
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I think there should be adults only restaurants.
I don't know if there are many that specifically say that out
loud, you know? Yeah, I don't think there's any,
because then that would be considered like discrimination.
I mean, I guess the brewery justdid it that we talked about,
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but. Yeah, but that's because of, I
think they can get away with that because of alcohol like.
True, yeah. It but I don't restaurants where
they just have food that. Should be allowed, Should be.
Allowed. I was going to say movie
theaters. Yeah, that's a good one.
Movie theaters is a good but I guess.
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Well I guess an R rated movie you're not supposed to bring a
kid into so we could just see our new rule.
Could just be that we only see Rrated movies.
But you can bring a kid into an R rated movie if the parents
there they just can't go by themselves.
Oh yeah, right. See, I agree.
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That's a good one though. That's a really.
Good one. I think it should be that you
can't bring a kit like that. Rule should be like gotten rid
of, you know, banished. Which rule that?
The movie theater rule. Yeah, that if that, if it's
rated R or PG13, you can't go ineven if there's an adult with
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you. OK, yeah, we can get strict
about it. Sure, why not?
Because also, yeah, why is a parent bringing a kid into an R
rated movie anyways? I have another one for the list.
Costco. Costco should be adults only and
I say that for the safety of thechild.
Is an 8 year old buying things in bulk?
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I don't think so. No, they're getting in there and
they're, it's like when we talked about the farmers market,
they're getting in there and they're putting their fingers in
all the samples. And they're climbing on pallets
of stuff that could fall over and smush them.
And they're putting their feet on white furniture and running
around. And I saw a kid.
I went to Costco a couple weeks ago and saw a kid wearing roller
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blades inside the Costco. Like Healy's?
No, because I've, I did Healy's once when I was a kid in stores
and it was a blast. I probably we talked.
About that you were a menace to society and that Healy's.
Knowing that Healy's were ever on your body almost gave me the
ick. I think Healy's can make a
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comeback. I think if they in 2025 they
released Healy's for adults theycould make a killing.
I I hate that and everything that you stand for in this
moment. If I were to buy and use a pair
of Heelys at the age of 35, would it affect our marriage?
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Yes, noted. Like I wouldn't divorce you're.
Noted fun here. No, I wouldn't divorce you, but
I also probably wouldn't touch you.
I mean, that's fair. That's fair.
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OK, I won't buy them. I won't buy them.
But if you can think of anythingelse.
At your own risk, you can buy them, you know.
Yeah, that's true. All right, fair enough choices.
It's all about. Choices I've I don't think
you're not coordinated, but I don't think it would be like the
best thing ever for you to be rolling on your heels.
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I feel like you would fall. I can confidently say if I were
to buy and use Healy's at the age of 35, it would end our
marriage because I would die. I would.
I would accidentally roll off a Cliff.
I would roll around inside a Sam's Club and bang my head on
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the corner of a pallet. I would accidentally roll in
front of a car in a busy intersection.
Like something bad would definitely happen.
Every single time I see a child in Healy's.
So 10 out of 10 * 100% of the time the intrusive thought of
tripping them is in my brain. Have I done it?
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No 0 out of 10 * 0% of the time I've actually tripped a child,
but 100% of the time I think about, I fantasize about doing
it. You know, in movies when you see
somebody fantasize something like that, they fantasize
something and then like they snap back into reality.
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How cool would that be if that was like a superpower?
Because you could itch the scratch of like your worst
instincts just to see how it would play out and then rewind
the tape and not actually committo it.
You know what I mean? Yeah, you said itch the scratch,
so scratch the itch. Scratch the itch.
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Yeah, scratch the itch. But like somebody pulls you off
in traffic and you're like, FM, I'm going to hit them their car
with my car and you do it. And then you're like zip back to
reality and you're like, that was entertaining, but I didn't
actually commit to that. You know, that would be so cool.
It would be cool. Anyway, I don't.
You're saying, you're saying allkinds of things today.
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I know I love it. I'm on one, moving on.
Got a couple things from Reddit here.
Couple questions, a couple thought starters and then yes we
do want to get into leaving a legacy.
This one person wrote on Reddit the the dink Reddit page.
I have a shower thought but as aquestion I was thinking about
this with hearing another story about people who donated sperm a
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while ago and was talking about parents used IVF or donors to
have kids. As a child free person, would
you ever want to help a friend or a family member if they
needed a sperm or an egg donation?
What do you think? I would never carry the child in
me, like I would never be a surrogate, but I would be fine
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with giving. I don't care if I mean, it's
it's your funeral if it turns out bad, you know what I mean?
Like if it turns out. It's your funeral, if the kid
kills you, it's not on. Me.
I mean like if the kid turns outto have scoliosis and
depression, like you fucking knew, I told you, you know it's.
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But if they, you know, they could turn out to be tall and
like, opinionated. I would be down to give someone
my eggs if they were a really close friend and they were
infertile. Yeah.
I don't care if a version of me exists, I just don't want to
take care of it. See, I have the opposite
opinion. I don't think.
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Yeah, I don't think that. I don't think I could live
knowing that somebody who's technically, legally my
offspring is living in the world.
Really. Yeah.
Because I like, let's say, let'srun through it real quick.
Let's say somebody needed my help, which first of all, I
think it's I, I would feel weirdeven with somebody approaching
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me for that, you know, you'd be like, why me and also you?
Well, you'd be like, you're so God, you're so obsessed with me,
you want to have a little me like crazy.
Do you want to sleep with me? I don't understand but I would
have like if if it was a friend or a family member who needed
the help and then we went through with it for the rest of
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my life. It can't be honey, it can't be a
family member that's. No that's true, not sorry a
friend. I'm just reading what the Reddit
person said. I definitely not a family
member. You're right, definitely not a
family member. But if a friend needed help, or
somebody I knew needed help, or anybody really, a stranger
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needed help. It's like my brother like
needed. Stop, stop.
No, we we get it. But if anybody needed my help I
and we went through with it, I would not be able to see that
kid as like not mine. So.
I would think, but I I would feel responsible for it even if
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I technically wasn't. You know, I wouldn't I would, I
think I would be able to fully high 5 my tiny self and be like
cool bye like. Have a good life.
Yeah, dope. Glad glad this worked out for
you. I yeah, no, I just wouldn't.
As long as it was like a fully like agreement situation.
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I feel really confident, my ability to be detached.
Would you need? Would you?
Would you need to be paid for itin some kind of way?
My gut reaction is absolutely, but if it was like there's like
4 people that I would do it with, no, Like I would want them
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to cover the medical costs of extracting the eggs.
I think that's expensive, but like I wouldn't need to like
make money off of it for like 4 people that we know.
I would totally do it for free. But those four people don't want
kids so we never have to cross this bridge.
And if anyone other than those four people wanted it, then I
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would expect a payday. Did you ever look into doing
this at all when you were, you know, in college or a young
adult trying to make money? Cause a lot of people do
consider it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have googled
extensively how much money you can make off of giving eggs and
I've definitely considered it. I the only reason I didn't is
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because it does really fuck withyour hormones and I'm like
emotional enough and I didn't need like more of an emotional
roller coaster, isn't it? Painful too, for a female.
Yeah. Yeah.
There's a lot you have to like you have to do injections in
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your stomach for a while. Yeah, that's, and you have to
like pump yourself with estrogenand a lot of people fluctuate
and wait. So they because you're, you
know, pumping yourself with extra hormones, sometimes you
gain weight and and you get, youknow, different emotions running
through your body and blah, blah, blah.
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So it's not as easy for ladies. So that's why if it was as easy
as the sperm bank. You'd be in there every Tuesday.
No, but I, I would probably havehave done it when I was like,
you know, making way less money than I am now.
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I probably would have done it for money previously, yeah.
I, I mean, I definitely like looked into it very briefly at
one point, but then I don't for whatever reason, I was like, I
don't think I could do it. I don't know.
I think it's partially the, you know, knowing that my kid would
be out there somewhere again, I would feel somehow responsible
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and a little bit like catastrophic thinking wise.
I would think like what if they do something and they scan this
kids DNA and somehow I am responsible for something.
I don't know. That everyone has different DNA
so they would know it's not physically you.
Well, I know that's not a clone,but like they would be able to,
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I don't know. Also, honey, this is you're
omitting like a huge part of this whenever you go to the
sperm bank. Can't you check the box that you
don't want to know and you don'twant to be contacted so you
don't ever know? You can, but I would know that
by being there, it would be likely that I would have a child
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out there and I would just not be able to not think about it.
I just know myself too well. I wouldn't be able to not think
about it. I think about it all the time.
I fully didn't expect that answer from you.
Well, This is why we do the podcast, you know.
Sure, we reveal truths to one another.
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Here's another one, this is fromanother person on Reddit who
said when should I bring up not wanting to have kids?
I'm a 23, I'm a 23 year old woman and my boyfriend who's 24
and I have been together for a year.
I recently came to the realization that I'm almost
certain I don't want kids. Do I bring this up now, and if
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so, how? Yeah.
Yeah, bring it up now. I yeah, a year is almost like,
damn, it hasn't come up yet. Like, I guess when you're that
young, maybe you're not talking about it, but I just think when
you're out in public, when you're on a date, when you see a
kid, like, has this never come up?
I don't know. Maybe not.
That's fine. You should definitely bring it
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up so that if he really, really,really, really, really wants to
be a dad, then then he can move along and you don't get more
invested. Yeah, I would say the
conversation's pretty simple. You sit down and say, hey, I've
been thinking a lot about our future together.
I I really love you, but I just want to be honest.
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This is how I'm feeling. Is that a deal breaker for you?
Yeah, I have. People get so caught up in like,
well, how do I bring it up? And the answer is you just start
saying the words. Yeah, just just say it.
I mean, if you if you can't say it, then that's probably
indicative of a larger problem. Well yeah, that's a bad sign
that you can't, that you don't feel open to talk about these
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things if you've been together already for an entire year of
time. I get if not everyone is as fast
and loose with their opinions tobring it up on a second date
cough cough me, but I think you should feel comfortable enough
after at least at least a few months to just like for sure not
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even that oh that's on the tableright away but just hey, just
out of respect for you and your time.
Yeah, I mean, like you said, youyou mentioned to me on our
second date that you didn't wantto have kids.
Some people would see that as like, maybe it's too soon to
have the conversation. Maybe it's presumptuous.
But I, I respected that when we were dating because I was like,
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yeah, let's get it all out there, you know?
Well, OK, this is how I look at it a little bit.
When you're dating someone on a dating app that's like a single
parent, you expect that person to tell you within the first or
second date, hey, I'm a parent so that you're not just dating
me, there's another person involved.
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I look at the decision to have kids the same as that.
Like if you want kids, great, wecan talk down the line, but if
you don't want kids, then we shouldn't be together.
Like if. Yeah, that's a great point.
I completely agree with that. That's a great point.
Thanks. Wow.
Look at, oh, why look at you. We should do like an advice
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podcast. I like this.
Let's start. Let's keep the questions coming.
Yeah, people have questions. OK, here's the last one from
Reddit and this will get into our larger conversation.
Seattle Angel advisor says on Reddit leaving a legacy.
There must be others like me, noclose family, no children, no
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plans to have children. To whom do you imagine leaving
your estate? Children of friends, charity,
other. I'm interested in people's
perspectives and ideas, and thisis the one that I saw on Reddit
that leads to our larger conversation, which is how do
you and if at all do you leave alegacy if you are a member of
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the DINK community like you and I are?
And also, how do you even begin this process?
Because we are in our 30s and technically speaking, it's
probably around the time that weshould start thinking about
actually making a will, which isa weird, it's a weird thing to
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think about. Yes, yes, because we are in a
healthy committed long term relationship, legally binding
and it's still can be messy. It the all of the logistics of
everything can be messy. So I don't know what any any
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initial thoughts before we startdiving into this?
I just, it's interesting becauseI think people get really hung
up on like their items and theirreputation and their legacy and
their assets and it's like when you die, you're not going to
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care. Like what are we?
Doesn't go with you. Doing.
And obviously it's weird. Yeah, it is weirder because it's
so straightforward. If you have kids, you leave
everything to your kids done, you know?
So it is more difficult, I guessto decide if you don't have
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kids. It's a little bit less
straightforward. But I really don't, it's not a,
it's not a selling point like, well, we have to have a kid
because otherwise who do we leave the 2012 Fiat to?
Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's a little, it's a
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little different. Well, let me start here.
And I would kind of want to get into like I, I know it sounds
like some of this will sound a little obvious, but I kind of
want to get into what a will is,how that works and all that.
Oh God, and. I I, it's just part of the
conversation. It's informative, but let's
start here. Is there anything like what is
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your relationship at this point in your life with stuff like if
you think about your family and things that you would like to be
left to you, what things are most important to you?
For me, it's photos and art like, and I don't mean art that
was acquired. I don't want my parents Thomas
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Kincaid photo or anything like that.
But like if I had a family member that created art of some
kind, that type of thing, I'd I'd love to be able to hang on
to because it means something tome.
There's random things there's like my dad's, which I don't
think they have any more, my dad's record player, things like
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that. I feel like I have a little bit
of sentimental value around. The like what was it is like
ANES or something and a old pickup truck or record player or
like I feel like you've mentioned that all of the good
stuff you would have wanted is gone anyway.
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Well, no, but but here's the other thing I will say about it
is I I am not going to be upset with anybody if you choose to
get rid of every single thing inyour possession.
No, completely like. There is nothing I want like an
ornament, like we don't want a house or a car.
I want an ornament or a photo like I don't want it.
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I think it's. Important to make the
clarification too that that doesn't mean that we hate what
you have or anything like that. It's just that is not where at
this point in my life I put really a ton of emphasis or
value. In I don't put any emphasis or
value in our own couch or our own or our own items.
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Like if I croaked tomorrow, I would assume that all of our
stuff would just go to Goodwill and my mom would keep all our
pictures. Like you know what?
I. Mean, yeah, totally.
Things that I definitely don't want my report cards from when I
was in first grade, that kind ofstuff like I don't need that.
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I don't need the the rocking chair I used as a kid or the
toys that I definitely don't need toys like.
Donate those to somebody who canuse them.
The stuff you thought was cool was more like just vintage
collectibles, the like the record player type thing.
Yeah. Things that have been in the
family for a long time, you know, I think are cool.
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Not not even from like, oh, they're valuable, but like, oh,
this, this is this has been a bit of my family's story, that
kind of stuff. I think it's really interesting.
But everybody's different and every, every, you know, opinion
in that field, I guess is, is valid because everybody
emphasizes something different. But OK, this is what I wanted to
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say about the will. If you don't have one, the state
decides on how it all works. And the reason it's important to
have one is because that really,if you don't have one, it slows
it down. Like it is obvious to say if I
passed away, everything would goto you, right?
But if I don't have a will that stipulates that you would, you
would be waiting a significant amount of time before that
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happened. It has to go into like what's
called probate court and all of that stuff, which is so icky.
Like just that's why it's so good to have one because you can
just make it all kind of happen quickly.
You know, just a couple of the bits of language.
An executor is the person who carries out your wishes.
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The beneficiaries are the peoplewho get the things.
Guardian is only relevant if youhave children or pets.
Let's talk about this. Who would be good?
Like pet? I'm getting choked up.
Who would be good pet parents? Like, what will we do with the
pets? I assume they're going to
outlive us. Well, yeah, of course.
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I assume my mom would get them. I kind of assume that too.
Because. She's God bless them a lot
already. And RIP because that would be
really difficult to take care ofan extra 2 dogs and two cats on
top of her dog. So it would be just her alone
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taking care of five pets, but she would do it.
Part of me though, also wants tosay that the dogs would be
mature enough by that point to like live on their own and get
jobs and, and pay their own bills and you know, things like
that. So you can do LegalZoom or
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there's a couple free options for this.
The only thing is that you, it costs like $1000 to get one
together. If you use like a lawyer, lawyer
LegalZoom, I think you can do one for like 100 bucks, which is
probably what we'll eventually do.
But doing nothing. Not a good idea.
OK. Doing nothing and dying.
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Bad choice. Who is there anybody that you
feel like obviously we don't have children.
That's what people obviously do when they have kids is leave it
to the kids. Let's assume and again, this is
all a fun discussion. I'm not trying to be morbid in
any way, but let's assume you and I just something happens and
we go out together. We, you know, had a bad meal
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that gave us deadly food poisoning.
But yeah, what age are we when this happens?
Because it doesn't. Are we assuming that people
older than us in our family are still alive?
Or are we assuming that we are the youngest ones?
That's a good question. I would assume we are the
youngest ones. Like there is nobody.
We have no family in next of kin, so there's nobody in our
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bloodline left. That's it.
It was a good run, you know? Is there any like, you know,
some people give their money to like a animal organization.
I think Oprah has it in her willthat she gives like a shit ton
to, you know, the ASPCA or something like that.
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Do you feel strongly about anything like that?
Yeah. OK.
Yeah, I think that animals could, I mean at least half.
Yeah. What do you I mean, I'm assuming
by that point we'll have, you know, pretty penny to show for
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ourselves. I would assume so too.
I'm kind of thinking of this like we have millions of dollars
to leave somebody. Here's my thing.
I almost think like it's tempting to go, OK, I would
leave the money to, like I said,the ASPCA or something like
that. But there's, I feel like it kind
of gets lost in the weeds, you know, I feel like we should.
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Like gentle barn or something like something like somewhere
like that. Yeah, we're almost like we
should put in our will that upon, you know, whatever
happening that a a new organization dedicated to fill
in the blank is started. That's kind of where my head's
out of like, do we open posthumously A weenie dog rescue
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organization or something? Sure, sure.
You know that that promotes the health and well-being and
preservation of the weenie dog race.
Alternate idea We could we couldstart that organization while
we're alive and we. Could.
And then give all of our life savings to it when we die to
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keep it running when we're gone.We could, we could.
That's not a bad idea. Yeah, I, I feel, I feel pretty
strongly about some sort of animal cause and whether that's,
you know, a foster system or a animal rescue or some
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organization that like fights for animal rights in terms of
legislation and all of that. I feel pretty strongly about
that. Yeah.
I think I would want to leave itto some animal organization.
So I say all that to say, if youare an animal organization and
you'd like to start making your case, I don't.
Yeah, start early. Start now and we'll make a
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decision. If you'd like to start sending
us Edible Arrangements to buy our love for when we die, yeah,
we are open to that. We we're.
Definitely open to it. We're definitely open to it.
Is there anything else that you can think of that you would want
to like? I can't, I don't know, pass on
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to a friend or I. I just feel like our friends are
very like minded and a lot of them just don't need stuff.
I don't know. I mean, all of our friends are
also going to be old, so, you know, like we're all around the
same age. So then they're probably going
to not need the money. But I mean, I guess like your
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best friend is having a kid, so we could always toss that kid a
couple G's, you know? Could toss the kid a couple G's,
yeah, or maybe like a scholarship fund or something.
That could be kind of cool. Some sort of yeah, or like,
because yeah, here's the thing. Here's the thing I want if we do
a scholarship for any child related best friends or not, I
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want there to be stipulations for accessing the money.
Of course it to be like you can't touch the money until
you're this age or you have thisGPA.
Like you can't just have this chunk of money.
You have to like, be good. Yeah, I agree.
I agree. I think that's, I think that's
kind of wise. So you put it in a trust,
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essentially a trust has right, Right, right rules.
Yeah, for like nieces and nephews and all that.
I'd be, I'd definitely be open to that as long as the rules are
kept. I mean, I had friends that, you
know, had unfortunately had parents pass away and things
like that and they had trust that were left to them with
certain rules and certain stipulations.
And I think that's a good thing for people's protection.
(42:57):
Like you kind of help them help themselves.
I think it also might be cool tolike if we have a a me and and
babe park bench somewhere or something.
You know how people do those butlike in a really obscure space.
Honey, people get a park bench so that they can go sit on it
(43:20):
and remember their family, but if we're a park bench, we can't
go sit on it. Just we can't.
But then people can, you know? To remember us.
Yes, let's pick our favorite place and like, make it a thing.
And then people will go and be like, who is that?
I don't know who that is. And then sit on us.
You know, I think that would be cool.
(43:40):
Sure. Well, we have to pick a place.
Yeah, wait, let's pick a place that's like really Instagram
able. So then and then and be like tag
us. Tag us.
Tag us while we're dead. Yeah, but OK, how funny would
that would wouldn't you laugh your ass off if we went to like
(44:02):
a picturesque lookout, let's saylike Lake Arrowhead or
something, and there was like a bench and like this cute
overlook or whatever. And then there was a placard and
it said like in your photos of this area, or if you're take a
photo sitting on this bench withthis view, like tag us, and you
went to tag the account and it turned out the people were dead.
(44:24):
Wouldn't you fucking laugh your ass off?
That's hilarious. I would, I'm not going to lie.
I feel like that's so us. OK, now you've opened up a whole
other can of worms, which is is there something funny we want to
do, you know? Oh, is there something funny we
want to do where we, like, record an entire podcast episode
(44:45):
that's scheduled for after our death?
Yeah, that has like every unapologetic opinion about
everything that we've ever experienced in life.
I'm not talking like, oh, we getto finally expose that we're
racist. No, nothing like.
That no. Because that's not a thing and
that's not true. I'm talking about like hey so
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and so from 7th grade who bullied me?
F you, you know. Like.
Or I don't know. I don't, I don't know.
That could be. It's kind of a fun thing to
think about. It's kind of like when people
leave the Big Brother house how they have 90 seconds to like say
whatever they want and be like mic drop and then leave the.
(45:27):
House, yeah, I think it would bekind of interesting anyway.
Legacy. I don't, I personally I, I
don't. I want my legacy to be something
not monetary, not obligation. I want it to be like some some
(45:47):
cool thing I did. Or like a radio like would you
give like money to the Chapman radio program or some Or maybe I
like start a scholarship for like comedy?
Maybe I would be open to it. I would be open to it, but I I
(46:08):
would like the thing that like I'm remembered for to not be
tied to money. I'd rather it be tied to like
remember that. Remember that movie he made with
or or whatever? You know, not saying I
necessarily want to be. A director.
But it's the art that we leave behind, that we the the projects
(46:30):
we created. That's the whole point of being
an entertainment. Yeah, it's, it's, you're leaving
your expression behind and I think that's kind of cool.
Yeah. Wow, we really solved it there.
We're really good, we and now I guess we got to pay LegalZoom
while we're thinking of it, you know?
LegalZoom not a sponsor but theycould be of how does.
(46:51):
This episode not count as a will, you know what I mean,
'cause it's on, we're on record.I mean if.
OK. You said the state of
California. I know you said we need a doctor
on staff, we need a lawyer on staff and we have a friend who's
a lawyer, so maybe we should have her tap in and tell us what
the legalities. And all this is I don't think
(47:11):
she specializes in end of life affairs but.
She probably doesn't, but I feellike lawyers all have a base
level knowledge of end of life stuff now.
Is that not something they teachyou in bar classes?
Is it called bar classes? I don't know.
I don't know. OK, before we go, I have a
listener message I want to get to, but also wanted to share my
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hope for humanity this week, which is a segment we do where
we talk about a kid who gave us faith that not all kids are bad
kids. The segment is faith in
humanity, but sure. What did I say?
Hope in humanity. Yeah.
Faith in humanity. I I was on a plane this this
(47:55):
past weekend and there was a child in my row and he was
particularly well behaved. He was probably 7 or 8 and he
slept the entire flight. He did not make a noise.
He didn't. Say a single thing.
That's what I was wondering. It was a late flight so maybe he
(48:17):
was just sleepy, but he didn't have an iPad where he was
playing a game that was super loud.
He didn't, you know, obnoxiouslychew on things.
He didn't smell, he didn't kick,he didn't move.
He looked. Like he was passed out.
No. And I was like, wow, good kid.
Right as we landed and as the plane started, like people
(48:39):
started getting off the plane. He stood up and there was a guy.
You know, when people do it's, it's one of our pet peeves when
people get up and try to like rush the door and it's they're
like 10 rows behind you. You haven't even gone yet, but
they're trying to like rush ahead of people.
It's one of the most irritating things about being on an
airplane. This 7 or 8 year old kid noticed
(49:03):
that this guy was walking past me and he turned to him and said
you have to wait your turn. And I was like what?
Not only were you incredibly well behaved on this flight, you
still knew justice. Yes, you knew exactly what
(49:26):
should be the rule of law on this planet.
The etiquette. Oh my God.
Should wait your turn. And the guy was so taken aback
by that. It was.
It was way more satisfying than if I had said it.
Oh my God, did he stop in his tracks and wait his turn?
He just kind of like sheepishly backed up, but it's like, dude,
(49:50):
how lame is it that the seven-year old had to be the
adult? Whoa, Oh my God.
I think I would have applauded and cried and told them to
promote him to pilot. Let him fly the plane.
Wasn't that great? Oh my.
God. I just thought that was so cool.
I'm like, hell yeah, good on ya.You're a good kid.
You're a good parent. What did the parent do?
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He was just, like, shaking his head up and down, like, hell
yeah, son, you're a good kid, You know?
He was proud of them. He was proud of them.
See. There are good ones out there.
I know it was so satisfying. What is the common thread of all
the good children that we talk about that they have traits of
adults but. Well, no, that they have good
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parents. That's truly what it is because
good parenting allows you to mature and like I think that
they got it figured out. Gold stars to everyone involved.
Gold stars message from a listener before we go.
This one's from Stevie who sent us Adm on Instagram at the
dinkside pod. She said I just want to say how
much I appreciate both of you been listening to you both for
(50:56):
quite some time. Katie, I just want to be your
friend. I love how you were
unapologetically child free and loving the lifestyle.
I've had a hard time with my brother recently who has two
kids now and playing the whole since I'm a parent now and
acting like some moral authoritylike people who don't have kids
aren't or something I can't quite put my finger on.
(51:18):
But the condescension is really palpable.
This is what we talked about thethe like holier than thou
mentality that some people have.She says.
Sorry for dumping all that but it's just so nice and refreshing
to hear like minded people that reinforce mine and my husband's
decision to not have kids. Also your vacation recently
sounded amazing. We're going on our first cruise.
(51:40):
We only considered child free ones and can't wait for our
Virgin Voyages cruise early nextyear.
Oh my God, invite us. Child free cruise Love the
episodes and topics that you guys bring up, especially the
random ones and I look forward to the next episode that is from
Stevie. Thank you, Stevie.
(52:02):
Thank you, Stevie. You know what?
That fills up my cup. I changed.
I changed my will. Call the lawyer.
I'm leaving it all to Stevie andthat kid on the plane.
Hell yeah. Congratulations, a 2012 Fiat is
yours. Yeah, wow.
And two cats and two dogs. So.
(52:25):
That's a lot of responsibility. I know you don't want kids, but
here you go. Yeah.
All right. Love you all.
We'll see you next time. Bye.
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