What Happens When the Government Owns Businesses? With Zach Abraham Ep-2338

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, so did Jerome Poal blink because he came out
and said Trump was right about tariffs. He had an
epiphany when he was at Jackson Hole, hanging out with
the people who run the world, and Trump was right
about this stuff. Trump says he was right. We'll talk
about that. Maybe we'll talk about Crocker Burrough and the

(00:21):
United States taking a ten percent position in a private company.
I don't love it. We'll discuss this all with the
help of our friend and brother, Zach Abraham, chief investment
Officer bor Er Capital Management. And of course, we can't
do anything that matters without God, Almighty, Thank you Lord.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
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Speaker 1 (01:01):
Today is the day the Lord has made, and these
are the times to which God has decided we should
live in. Joining me is the chief investment officer Bulwart
Capital Management, Zach Abraham, my friend and brother. Good to
have you back. We've missed you.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Good to be back. Good to be back. I we
uh we were, we were victorious. I guess you could
say in our our Alaska fishing trip, we had a
great time with my sons and my and my younger
cousin that came along with us, and uh, just man,
it was one of those talk about sitting back several
times and just thanking God for the for the opportunity
to spend that time with your boys, you know, while

(01:35):
they're still young enough. Yeah, you know, they still have
they still had that amazement of looking. You know, we
were fishing for lincod and jigging and they just couldn't
believe we're pulling up twenty and twenty five pound fish
like that. You know. Just it was it was, uh,
it was a special time. It's a really good time.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Really amazing. Are you someone do you experience gods? Uh
in the wilderness when you're out and just Christian that
there's very little city stuff and all that. Does that
get you spiritually?

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, yeah, it it.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, it's I think any time in my life where
I'm somewhere where you have the privilege of having all
of the noise cleared out, you know, because we're on
this island and where we were fishing, I mean there's
nothing there. I mean there's no buildings, no out ye know, nothing, right,
it's pure wilderness. Yeah, and it just there's just there's

(02:27):
there's something untouched and and virgin about it, and you
can just kind of see God's work and the beautiful
what a world right we live in. You can see
it all without any of the distractions, any of the
human elements, you know, obstructing the view. And yeah, and
then and then when you get to spend that time
with your with your sons. Yeah, there were just several

(02:50):
moments on the trip where I look back, I'm looking
at all the grandeur around me and looking at my
sons and and going, you know, just thank you, you know,
just what a what a privilege.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
This may sound soft and weird. I sometimes surprise myself,
and it's with animals. My daughter's a vegan, and well
you've met my daughter, you know that. And sometimes it's me.
It's big animals like horses that when I get to
touch the neck of a great, big horse and look
into its eyes, you know, you get it's hard to

(03:21):
look at both eyes, but you're kind of looking into
one big brown horse eye and that muscle on the
neck and the shoulders. Something about that makes me feel
close to God. It's almost an honor because if horses
ever figured out how big they were, right, Yeah, dude,
what do you do in touch with me? I will
pound you or sometimes in nature if you like. We
were talking about getting close to bears. You know when

(03:42):
I was up on Alaska and I was a little
boy and my uncle took me up there being near
something that powerful, created by God. And yet you come
away from that, Okay, I will get that feeling of
look at your creation, Look what you've built, Look what
you've done.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
So I can't say it's always that way, but yeah,
I can relate to that. You came back to a
very busy week financially, and I wanted to get your opinion.
There's so much to talk about. I am genuinely dying
with curiosity about your views and these things. So we're
gonna lead off. We'll talk about what President Trump said
about the Congressional Budget Office and Jerome Powell and what

(04:20):
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Speaker 3 (06:02):
I was just I was just telling a I was
just telling a client of mine, I got to switch
my deal there. I was just telling a client of
mine about that, and he's got some back issues and
he'd been getting you know, like steroid injections help with
the information. And I said to him, I go, I
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this is no joke. You got to go down there

(06:23):
and talk to these guys by the way because of
all the things that I've had going on this summer,
well mainly it's three children. That's probably the biggest reason.
I just haven't been able to play a lot of
golf at all. And yet I am playing the best
golf of my life. My literally, my swing has been transformed.

(06:44):
So what I found I don't know if I told
you this, but what I found out was some of
the injuries that I got addressed down there, it renew
were injuries that had plagued me for a long time.
And I was a good enough athlete to find kind
of physiological workarounds on it, but on my golf swing,
but I kind of hit a seven six and a
half handicap and I couldn't get below it because those

(07:08):
workarounds weren't efficient, right, Like it's they're not consistent. So
my posture is completely changed. It's changed my like everything,
and now I'm hitting the golf ball better than I
ever have in my life. And it really and we're
only what are we We're only what three and a
half months since you and I've been down there. Yeah,
it's and every everybody goes it's all that, and I go,

(07:29):
it's the only thing that's changed. I haven't changed anything
I've done since then. Yeah, So it's amazing, man, I lovely.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
It makes all sense of the world. This is President
Trump to social taken over to Twitter, and this is
I like this because it's humble and it's it's very
very uh you know, just official sounding. I'm pleased to
announce that the radical left representatives working at the Congressional
Budget Office CBO have now admitted my how incredible my
tariff stategy has been saying that Trump's tariffs reduced the

(07:57):
deficit by four trillion dollars when it began. Tariff policy
suggested they refuse to acknowledge the potential success. All caps
that would be drive defferences are now down, all caps,
taxes are down all caps. And if she's down, prices
are down. Prices generally are down. The only things that
are up are up take home pay, the stock market
in our country, which is the hottest, not just all caps,

(08:18):
but quote anywhere in the world. Thank you for your
attention this matter. I love that he closes that. So
he posts that, and I'm thinking, Okay, I know that
the revenues are coming in. I've seen it, I've heard
you talk about it, and I've been wondering is it real?
So Jerome Powell had his Jackson Hole epiphany. Now again
this is according to Peter Navarro, big big Trump supporter,

(08:38):
big supporter of the tariffs. Last Friday, Jackson Hole for
a Reserve chairman. Powell finally and grudgingly admitted with the
Trump team's been saying all along, tariffs don't feel inflation.
So if Powell is saying this, he's coming back and
say they don't feel inflation. This thing is working. Where
should we be at in this in regard to our
retirements and sanity because I know you don't hesitate to

(09:01):
criticize the president when it needs to be done.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, So the man, there's a lot going on there.
First of all, I think we've talked about this before.
Inflation is a much more nuanced, layered discussion than most
people think.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
So, if what we are saying is the tariffs aren't
going to cause prices to increase, that's complete nonsense. That's
what they are. Their price increases that are passed on.
So are they going to make prices go up? Yes?
Why have we not felt it up into this point
is because they just basically they've just become effective. So
we're just starting to actually feel that cost. Okay, Now

(09:36):
to flip around to back up what the President is saying,
when we think about inflation, inflation isn't We don't think
about it correctly. Inflation isn't about what the number is.
Inflation is a classic rate of change issue, right, meaning
you can deal with anything in terms of prices going up.

(09:56):
The question is is over what time period?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Right?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
So if people saying that tariffs don't necessarily cause inflation,
what most of them and if they're not, they should be.
But what they're referring to is a tariff is effectively
a one time price hike.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Right.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's not going to keep going up at that rate
every year. So you can make the claim that it's
not going to cause inflation, it's going to cause a
one time price increase. And those are different things, right.
What my fear is is that we're looking at a
lot of indicators that look to be a peer, that
look to be going north aggressively on the inflationary side.

(10:38):
Now is that confirmed, No, But the trend has reversed,
and the trend's going the wrong way. As far as
far as Powell's epiphany. I don't know. These are one
of these things that are just fascinating and really hard
to decipher because I kind of read it one of
two ways. A he's capitulating and wants to stay in

(11:01):
his spot and doesn't want any more conflict with the
president or be there is potential that he maybe realizes
that he was playing a little bit of politics and
it's not a good look and it's not going to
get him anywhere, you know what I mean. And that
the inflation that he's concerned about. I think that there

(11:21):
are signs, especially over the last three months, that there
is material economic softening, so he's probably seeing that. I
don't know. I'll be honest with you. I was a
little bit surprised. I didn't expect him to say anything drastic.
I expected him to say something more in the middle
of what he said and what he's been saying, you

(11:43):
know what I mean. I expected a little capitulation. I
was a bit surprised by that response. I really was,
because he, like I've said all along, he's got data
to back up his position. He's not making him saying
that rates are not too high right now. There's a
like there are a lot of different data points you
can point to that would suggest that's the case. Right,

(12:05):
there are some other data points you can point to
the suggestsice. It's just it's not a clear cutcase. I mean,
it's a debate, and so to see him capitulate like
that was kind of one of those things where I went, huh,
that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, President Trump did fire a FEDS regional heads, and
this has been pointed out endlessly by the media. The
first black woman, so I have that role, and he
claims without evidence, there's some mortgage fraud thing. And anytime
I hear the media say claims without evidence, I go okay.

(12:38):
So in other words, it's a close case. Trump is right.
They're going to say claim without evidence.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
So there's that can I This is on topic, but
it's a little bit off, and I have a frustration
with the current administration as it relates to the way
they communicate. I honestly think Trump is incredibly good at
manipulating and working the met ye, but I honestly think

(13:02):
he's playing from a playbook that's too old and too complex,
meaning I think they're making this way harder than they
need to make it right. I don't I think he
still thinks he has to play this media game back
and forth. I just think he needs to cut through
a lot of the nonsense and just be more plain spoken.
I just think you're well well, for instance, I'll always

(13:23):
go back. I think the best Trump was the Trump
that looked at Hillary Clinton on the stage and goes,
I know you're crooked because I paid you, right.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, that was a great moment. Yes.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
And the reason why is because A you're stating the
truth that nobody else wanted to stay state, and B
you're doing it at to somewhat at your own cost.
Meaning it's like, finally, I don't like the fact that
you paid a politician, but finally somebody's up there admitting
what's going on. Yeah, and if you'll just be honest

(13:56):
with me, right, that is, by de facto, three times
more than I'm getting from any other elected official. Right.
And I think that Trump thinks he has to go
in there and fight fire with fire and play his
own spin game, when I feel like what he's really
doing is lowering his own legitimacy because nobody, why are
you playing the same game as the media. Nobody likes

(14:18):
or trusts the media, don't play their game, right play
yours play it differently, so.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I know that it's not so economic. But I was
just talking about this week a lot that this suggestion
of moving troops into Chicago national regard. I don't like that.
I don't love that image. You know what I like
less is knowing that cartels have military supply chains set
up here. These are paramilitary organizations with supply chains, running
drugs and people's bodies into our country and running money

(14:46):
out of our country. That is a paramilitary organization. They're
well armed, they're well trained. Many of them have been
sent into the Mexican and American military to receive basic training.
They continue to train. That's a military supply chain of
an invading force in our cities. I want the President
to come and say, we're going after the cartels. They

(15:07):
set up shop, they've got military supply chains. They're running
drugs and people in their countries. We're going to stop
at the National Guards coming in.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Well, if you.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Said it that way, if you said it that way,
now you're going to stand on the side of the cartels.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, I I look, I see it. I think that
this issue is even more nefarious than it looks like
on the surface. Meaning it's not only are that we there,
but remember we're not that far removed from Fast and Furious.
It's not only that we're allowing them by by default operate.
Yeah yeah we were. We were arming them, Yeah we were.

(15:42):
And everybody goes, oh, well, that's just proof that America's
gun culture is out of control. No, it approved. It
proves that ATF agents were telling the firearms dealers to
sell them the firearms. Even though the firearms dealers didn't
want to write that they were adhering to the rule.
They made it happen. And when you sit back and
look at the construct the Fast and Furious, the official

(16:03):
story doesn't fit. What that's what that smells like to me.
That's got an air of Iran contra on it. What
that sounds like to me is you decided you were
going to fund and help one side over the other.
Enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of deal.
That's what that thing sounds like. The official story makes
no sense, right.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
But communicating it now, Zach, that's what I'm saying. I
know that as doesn't make any sense. I mean, do
you think that the Americans would buy we're gonna attacking
the cartels. That's where the National Guard's coming.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, right, I mean now I feel just I feel
like you put it perfectly. I don't like the idea
of National Guard and troops being deployed to major cities, right,
but if this is part of a comprehensive plan to
deal with the cartels, then I could I could be

(16:57):
for it, but I need to like tell me the story.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
I would rather have the National Guard go in in
partnership with local law enforcement, the FBI and deal with
the cartels than just cops on their own. And I
think a lot of cops would say, oh, yeah, you're
going to give us help dealing with dangerous cartels who
have supply chain set up in a country. They're parmoul organizations. Yeah,
I think we'll take the help now.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
On the other hand, we're coming in for street clime,
et cetera. It gets dubious. It gets dubious constitutionally, and
for me, I don't ever want that normalized. You know,
when we go to Mexico, we see the soldiers everywhere.
I never get used to it, and I don't ever
want to get used to it. I don't want that
to be in our country. So no, this thing. This
is I'm really interested in this and your take on

(17:39):
this because maybe I'm emotional here. Maybe I've got this
old fashioned conservatism business and governments. But I want to
take about intel here in a second, in regard to business,
I'm going to give you some intel if you're smaller
and medium sized business owner, frankly, even if you've got
a pretty large business. I have a friend of mine
who's got a pretty large business with boats sales, rental repair.

(18:03):
He's got one other aspect to that that he does.
I can't remember the other aspect to that. Oh, floating
houses for parties. So they you know, you bring out
like it's a it's a floating house that kids get
to be in on the lake, et cetera. So he's
got this whole toys thing. All those are separate companies
because he's smart that way, because he could get sued.
You will talk about walking around waiting to get sued
being the boat rental business or a floating business. So

(18:25):
he heard me talk about bisible and for yuxin giggles,
he went back and looked at all his corporate financing documents.
Not one of his companies is an actual company in
regard to the irs, I mean he's paying taxes as
a corporation, but it's all based upon a Social Security number.
Those companies have no firewall. So in fact, if he

(18:47):
got sued, if some kid fell off the bouncy floating
house or someone crashed a rental boat, he would be
on the line. Yeah, he's got insurance, but once they
got through insurance, they could come to him. And he's
not guy without ousets, multiple houses, paid off, dream get
for an ambulance chasing lawyer. This is a sophisticated guy.

(19:08):
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(19:31):
no obligation consultation. Go bisible dot com. So President Trump
announced in regard to business, and I know where I'm
at with this. The United States of America is taking
a ten percent non voting equity stake in Intel. So
it's a deal, Lutnik, the CEO Howard Lucknick negotiate with
the CEO of Lipdutan. Your response to you being forced

(19:57):
to purchase ten percent of an American company, Okay.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Right out of the gate, I'll just give it to
you straight. I'm still wrestling with it, yeah, And the
reason I'm wrestling with it is multifaceted. So, first of all,
Intel is, you know, historically the pre eminent chip company
in the world, a US darling, all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
We know.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
The other thing is that they've got facilities in the
US that that no other companies do facilities around the world.
The other side of it, in the world as it
is today, we must it is imperative that we have
domestic chip production. That is, and people are like, oh,

(20:45):
we're putting in the TSM plant. Yeah, but we we
need In my opinion, you don't just need the geography.
You need a US based corporation or two. It'd be
best if you've got competition, right, So you know, I
I hate the idea of the government taking on a

(21:06):
ten percent equity role. At the same time, I don't
like the idea of us, you know, giving them massive
concessions or whatever it is that we're going to do
to help them build, you know, like they look. Look,
that ten percent equity position gives us a very realistic
ability to for this to truly be an investment for
American taxpayers, like make our money back. On the flip side,

(21:31):
I don't like it for all the reasons that I
I'm sure you don't like it. It's a gray area, and.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
To me, it's picking. There is a part of that
AMD makes chips too, and let's I check their their
American company. I don't like the fact that he decided
to spend my money this way, and that I am
unable to find in the Constitution, uh, where the President
United States gets to spend my money that way. Apparently

(22:00):
this came out of the executive branch and therefore his budgets.
But maybe I don't want Intel stock and now I
own it. And by the way, this also creates a
pattern where I think other companies are going to be
looking at this going ooh, well, we're an AI company,
you should buy stock in US. And I fail to
believe that Intel doesn't get a special treatment now and

(22:20):
I bet Intel thinks they get special treatments because I
think Intel could walk into any business and go, you know,
we're ten percent owned by the White House, Right.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, I would like to the structure of it. So
looking at it from the outside, I understand what they
were trying to do. I think that you could have
accomplished very similar things, if not the exact same thing,
with a different structure that didn't have these kinds of issues. Right,
for instance, a pair deal. Right, let's get together, because

(22:52):
I don't know if AMD has domestic production capability though, Okay, anyway,
I look, I think you probably could have done it
via tax incentives. I think you probably could have done
it a lot of different ways. Like you said, I
don't like the idea of I don't like the idea

(23:13):
of the government owning ten percent of a company. That
The part that I'm wrestling with though, is I'd rather
have an equity kicker than just give them the money. Oh.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
I don't like the sucker's bet of giving companies money.
I don't like the sucker bet of being the last
in line to get paid back. I don't like any
of that, right, But then again, I just don't like
government giving money to businesses because I think they fail
to be a real business. At some point, you are
simply serving government. And there's all sorts of companies that exist,

(23:48):
like pharma is government. Farma invests so much of their
money into lobbying and protectionism and getting into Medicare and
medicaids and getting people forced to purchase their products. Zech.
Those aren't companies, Those aren't countries. There's states within our countries.
Their revenue is larger than most states. I just don't

(24:09):
want to see tech go that way. Because Trump created
the AI, there's the now trusted cyber currency things, there's
the trusted coins.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
He's created this AI group where these are going to
be the eight to ten winners. And I don't want
to think. I really don't want to think that the
Trump family on the back end is going to get
theirs the way the Obama's got theirs from Hollywood. Because
I don't know about you. I don't think Michelle Obama
and Barack Obama figured out how to write movies and
produce them while they were living at the White House.

(24:38):
Something tells me that they're billion dollars. You look configured.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Maybe I'm wrong, Well, I mean they did this is
tenfoil hat talk right?

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Right?

Speaker 3 (24:47):
The first thing did?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Right?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:48):
I mean what I mean? No, I mean he could
have made as much money as a water walker, because
he walks on water too.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
You didn't, right, you weren't aware of that, right, I'd heard.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I mean, well, when you think about his you know,
his god given talents, and there are many, it doesn't
surprise me at all that he ended up being a
you know, very successful film extraordinary self made by the
way he bootstrapped that one.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yes, right, And I don't want I don't want the
populist president. I don't want him to get out of
office and for me to learn later that he made
one hundred billion dollars on the back end payoff of
stuff like that. I goush zack. I don't want to
see that.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
No, I know. And so then I think about because
here's here, Okay, let me give you the flip side,
because you know me, I am. I am conservative by nature,
but I'm also very I've got a big libertarian bend
basically just for me. I feel like it's just historic.

(25:48):
I feel like it's historically justified. I mean my kids,
you know, I was telling my kids this the other
day and I was explaining of the concept of Dad,
why don't you like government? And I go, kids, all
of the worst disasters in human history have been perpetrated
by government. Yeah, right, Like we always go down the
list here it is, you know, and they kind of
so I'm not I'm not at all a fan of
any of this. That being said, we are facing a

(26:10):
very unique challenge here, and we are facing a unique
challenge in the form of China. That is a government
that is centrally planned. And there are advantages to being
centrally planned. Is it good overall?

Speaker 2 (26:21):
No?

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Right, it doesn't hold the sanctity of the rights of
the individual and all these different things that make us America, right,
And we know that our system is better. But there
have been multiple examples in history where in an effort
to defeat a you know, a threat, whether it be
foreign or domestic, that we've had to do things that
were constitutionally untoward.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
I think about the suspension of habeas corpus during the
Civil War. I think about some pretty controversial moves of
Teddy Roosevelt dealing with the you know, trust busting. Ye,
And I'm not saying this is that what I'm saying
is is that the threat of China, I think is
a situation that does rise to that level, right, Meaning,

(27:09):
it is a situation that we've got to confront. We
need to. It should be having us question the way
that we govern, not not not the founding principles, but
the way that we govern. And we do need, we
do need government to offer some assistance in some way,

(27:29):
some level of partnership to bring back American manufacturing because
the profit, the profit incentive isn't there, right, So if
we believe in free markets, we can't sit there and
go trust the free markets when we go look at it,
there is no profit incentive to build it here.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, and you get what I'm saying. Yeah, And we're
a free market society up against essentially planned society of
force and control. Uh and pure charity versus our soft
chiarity because at this point our charity is still pretty soft.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah. No, And then and and then at the same time, right,
you've got to sit there and be balancing with what
I'm saying has to be balanced by the age old deal.
In an effort to defeat your enemy, don't become him exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
And you know that I worry about because you get
a little taste for this. I'm telling you it may
not be Trump because he's used to running in these circles.
But I watched when Facebook and Google wanted into politics
and they started to hire people out of the political realm,
people who worked at the committees. I watched people get

(28:33):
super fascinated Silicon valleys here. I want to have that.
I want to get out of politics. I want to
get I'm going to get into this. They're going to
be super fascinated because you watch other This can now
be non White House entities are going to take stakes
and companies. When Biden did this and with the green
car companies and brock housein Obama, did it remember Broack
cusin Obama stole gm from shareholders. Do you remember that

(28:58):
when he came along and and you had these shareholders,
they had secured debt, they were supposed to be first
paid off, and he came in and gave it to
the unions and people. Now this is very different. This
is the ten percent and on voting stake, but it's
on the same side of the fence, and I just
I'm uncomfortable that side of the fence. So I'm fascinated
with your view on this. There's some employment things we

(29:20):
need to talk about. I do want to make a
quick mention of Cracker Barrel and Zach. I didn't put
this into the show sheet, but there's something so funny
about this. I'll mention this in just a second. Hey,
quick note. I've been sharing with this audience my desire
that you guys would try Alan Soaps for the first time,
and we've talked about Alan's for a long long time.
Someone asked me if I feel bad about presenting this

(29:45):
asking you to try the soap because John is dying.
In the answers, no, John is the guy who runs
Alan Soaps for his son Alan and Ian, and the
mission of the company is to employ those guys and
people like them the rest of the world. To have
tossed out soap is incredible. It's the only soap I use.
It's made in America. It's all naturals, all those things
you've talked about. The family that makes it, they're a

(30:06):
real family. I think it's Pennsylvania in which they live.
I think it is three generations of soap making expertise.
They're real people going on four generations. By the way,
I don't feel bad at all because John is my
dear friend and I love him, and he's going to
go to the Lord and his wife is going to
take over this company. She's never run a soap company.
I want her to walk in and see predictable monthly revenue.

(30:28):
So yes, I'm using the leverage of the show to
ask you for a favor. If you haven't tried the
soap thus far, try it. If you don't like it,
never buy it again.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Ever.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Pray for John and his family.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Great.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
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dot com slash todd. So shifting over an employment, I
guess you're just talking about and playing people like Alan
and Ian, et cetera. Nathan Haberstatt wrote on Twitter, fifty

(31:03):
five million foreign visa holders are now working American jobs. Meanwhile,
sixty percent of class of twenty five remains unemployed months
after graduation. The Social contract is broken. Unclear why young
Americans should have to pay into vestitual elements of the
old contract like social Security. There's a lot in this
and social Security, et cetera. This isn't far off. And

(31:24):
yet President Trump just brought in six hundred are agreed
to bring in six hundred thousand more Chinese students that
are going to be here on these visas and they're
going to be looking for work. Where we're talking deportation
and ice going around taking criminal legal immigrants out and
people who broke the law to be here. Honestly, are
we kind of oversold on the student visa thing and

(31:45):
letting people come in and foreign visa holders take American jobs?
Or is it an economic thing we have to do.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
We've got to do it, really, We've got to do it.
And here's why I understand everybody that is having a
conniption about this. I empathize in a lot of ways.
I agree. Okay, but here is the baseline fact. What
made America great was that the best and the brightest

(32:16):
in the world came here for opportunity. Okay, when you
consider what is going on in technology and AI right now,
this would be the worst time to turn our back
on that policy. And does that mean that Americans that
otherwise would get those jobs won't, Yeah, it does, and

(32:36):
that points to a larger problem. Let's quit talking about
protecting American grad students and let's start talking about getting
an education system that is a first world quality rather
than the nonsensical, you know, in doctrination factories that these
garbage institutions have become. And let's let's make I do

(33:01):
not believe that we have the inability to get the
best And here's the funny thing. You know, you know
the top ranked students coming out of the world in
math right now, not even China, It's France, is it fan?
It's France? So there you go, Right, it's not just
the oh Asians are always better at math. Well, apparently

(33:21):
the French are too. So what are we getting evidence of.
We're getting evidence of an archaic, declining, rotting, and ineffective
educational system. And that is a political That is something
that people on both the left and right have acknowledged
if they're honest, and that's what we need to fix.
I do not think we cannot be we cannot ever
cease to be the shining city on a hill where

(33:43):
the best and brightest want to come here. Right, It's
not like we need to remember history for what it is.
We're not the greatest country on earth because we were
born here in America and we build them better. We're
the greatest country on the face of the earth because
everybody that came here opted in. Everybody came here to
buy into and be a part of the ideals that
make us unique, that make us what we are. Right,
and we cannot, in an effort to save that, turn

(34:06):
away from the ethos and the practices that got us there,
which is that's what we always are. And so do
we protect our environment and our citizens and our working
and our con Yes. But one of the ways we
protect it, one of the most essential ways that we protected,
is that we keep being the home to the best
and brightest. And it's like you and I have talked

(34:27):
about before, Todd, is that a perfect solution.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
No.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
I hate the idea of those jobs going to somebody
a kid that you know, rather than a kid that
grew up in Nebraska. Right that being said, we believe
in free markets, and we believe in the best get
the job, and we believe in you know, upward mobility
and we believe in competition and all those things, and

(34:51):
it's it's cost benefit analysis. Do I love it?

Speaker 2 (34:54):
No?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Are there parts about it that I'm uncomfortable with? Yes,
I just think the alternative is a bigger miss. And
it's a further step away from what we are at
our best, And it's a and and is certainly a
step away of of we need the best and brightest.
You know, I don't think enough people have been honest
about you know, one of the biggest reasons that we

(35:18):
became a military superpower is we brought in some people
of very questionable backgrounds that were operatives in the Third Reich.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, Nazi like Nazi rocket scientists and chemical weapons guys.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Right, and we're we're we're talking about Chinese students, you.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Know, well by Chinese students who are legally bound to
spy for the Chinese comments Party.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
So so this gets back to my educational system problem, right,
I mean, like, do I have a problem with these
kids getting winning out scholarships over the top of American
kids at universities that have Confucius institutes. Yeah, yeah, that's
a problem for me.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Right, right, But okay, so if I can come with
you in this and maybe I can get there. Here's
where I can't get. People who buy convenience stores ten
or twelve of them, then buy apartment buildings around the
convenience stores, and then bring people in under work visas
because they're essential employees. And then when they get here
in the country, they take their passports and say you

(36:15):
live here for me now, and this is your apartments,
and you get a d at a discount as long
as you continue to work for me these discount rates.
No convenience or employees don't get HB one visas. They're
the people are coming in for forty thousand dollars per
year jobs that Americans can and will do. No, they
don't get those visas. I want to see what does
best and brightest mean. I believe in free markets fantastic.

(36:37):
We're just not going to give you an HB one
visa unless you're truly bringing in the best and the brightest.
And I'm sorry, but in the tech world, the best
in the brightest they're at least a quarter million down right,
I mean quartermill base, Am I wrong? I mean for
it now, that's about yeah, that's yeah, that's about right. Yeah, right,
for the couter for the base. So okay, it's interesting analysis. Okay,
I want to compare this to you. Do you know

(36:59):
you undoubt know the name of this guy, Sardar Big Glory.
You know who he is.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
I've heard the name.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, okay, So he's an investor, he owns Steak and Shake.
He's a restaurant dude. This is hilarious to me because
of how social media. Nobody's a noons or people like me.
I don't know the restaurant business at all, but I
saw something and then it turns out this guy had
been warning. This is about Cracker Burl Zach. You are
going to love this. And I smell me a shareholder lawsuit.

(37:29):
In fact, I want to buy stock in the firm
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(39:36):
there's a shareholder and he's a major shareholder of Cracker Barrel,
and he noticed something that he did a lot of
analysis on. He put together a one hundred and twenty
page slide share or slide deck on don't do this,
don't change the brand. This is a catastrophe waiting to happen.
The restaurant needs a turnaround, not a refining of the brand.

(39:57):
Here's all I saw. I was on social media. I
saw the Cracker Burrel logo, and then I saw the
picture of the CEO. I looked at Julie Fell's messino,
and now I understand her background. I saw her glasses.
The moment I saw her glasses is about Crackerbrol's trouble. Now
you can say that's an ism. Maybe you had the
same response. She's wearing the uniform. She's wearing the Rachel

(40:19):
Battow MSNBC hardcore leftist liberal uniform. The second I saw
the glasses, I go wow. I didn't know they'd gone woke.
And I showed it to my wife. My wife's super smart,
very brilliant lady. She said, you don't know that just
because the glasses. Oh I know, I know, And my
wife said, no, you're probably right. Then she, you know,
said I don't care. I don't care about Crackerbreil. My
wife has bigger things to deal with, like tutoring kids
and teaching them to read. So I saw that social media,

(40:42):
saw that the stock dips fourteen percent. This lady goes
on TV.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
The response to this has been overwhelmingly positive. In fact,
I'll tell you a story. We've had stories calling and
begging when can they get the remodels, and it's just
been so positive. This is as the stock is down
fourteen percent. This guy did two power points.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Wrote a letter to them, don't do this, and he
runs Steak and Shake. He owns it outright. The Steak
and Shake Twitter account put out this note fire the
CEO of Cracker Barrel. I'm watching this, and here's the
fascinating thing to me. People like me don't know the
restaurant business. I knew, and then this guy known all

(41:25):
this time, Zach a year and a half ago. He
knew this. How is this not a shareholder lawsuit? Doesn't
he have to sue? I mean, is he legally bound
to sue? Almost?

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah, Oh, they're absolutely gonna get sued. There's no even
if it's just an ambulance chaser going after it. Is
there grounds for the suit In terms of the visit winnable.
I don't know that that'll have to come out. But
this goes to another issue that I've been talking about
with some with some colleagues and some people that I

(41:59):
really respect, yep. And I think it points to a
larger issue in America, which is I don't think the
decision that that CEO made was necessarily politically motivated.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
I think that CEO thought that they were doing the
right thing. That CEO is an idiot, okay, and you are,
and probably a very well credentialed idiot. And this is
the problem once again, a combination mostly education, but education
and culture. There's been a dynamic that's happened. I think

(42:36):
it's become even more apparent after COVID where a very
interesting perspective. So an employee of mine, who also happens
to be a family member of mine, used to live
in a South American company and ran an investment firm
down there, and they told me that one of the
things that had them so excited to move back to
the United States was to get the consistency, the performance,

(42:58):
the dependability of not living in a third world and
being back in a first world country. You know, you
hire a contractor. Every once in a while, things go wrong,
but people that do what they say they're going to do,
deliver on time and all that kind of stuff. He's
been back up here now, he and his family have
been back up here for about fifteen years, and he goes,
I am amazed at the slide I have seen just
in the last fifteen years of being here, and he's like,

(43:20):
we are becoming increasingly like a third world country in
terms of the black And I think the biggest problem
is Todd, is that you've got this generation of quote
unquote business leaders that have come up through this defunct,
ridiculous education system and they don't know their rear end
from a hole in the ground, and they certainly don't understand.

(43:43):
I mean, cracker barrel an iconic. You want to modern
If you modernize cracker barrow, you've killed it, you moron.
That's it, literally is nostalgia. That's what the brand is, right,
I mean, are you some kind of an idiot? Right? Like,
if you want to juice up cracker barrel, you dig
back into the things they were doing, even if it

(44:05):
costs you a little bit more money. Like, for instance,
I'd start off and say, hey, why don't you size
up portions a little bit? You know what I mean, Hey,
let's bring back this traditional Well yeah, but there's a
low carb thing people, no, no, no wrong. Put out
great food even if it's horrible for people in terms
of their waistline. You know, if for instance, let's focus

(44:27):
on putting out really good comfort food that's bad for
your waistline, but doesn't have a bunch of this other
crap in it, you know what I mean. Like, there's
so many different ways you can go, be true to
the brand, reinvigorate the brand, and this is just these
are like the idiots that we're running boeing. I mean,
you see it all over the place where you're going,
and like you said, you could see it in a
second just looking at her glasses. That's your brand ambassador

(44:49):
for Cracker Barrel. What are we talking about the CEO
of Walgreens or are we talking about the CEO of
Cracker Bear Right?

Speaker 1 (44:58):
She came out of this Taco Bell world. There's no
heritage to Taco Taco Bell was born to be a
corporate fast food entity. That's people know that. I used
to like Taco Bell. There's still one of their tacos.
I like, I just don't eat it. And when we
saw the glasses, he saw the data, he said, Zach,
this company was created around the nineteen twenties. He said,

(45:21):
the stuff on the walls that is our brand. The keys,
that's our brandy, the old is our brand. And I
don't know if you saw this. They came out first
of all that I love the non apology, and that
is that we could have done a better job of
announcing the changes and explaining them. And so we understand
that people are disappointed by that, and we'll do better.

(45:43):
And this statement came out from the company, not a person.
You know you're in trouble when the company issues a statement,
then empowered.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
What leader would let the company make.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Us a woman with chromattle glasses? And then then they
came out and said, you spoke, and we as we've promised,
We've listened. The new logo is back, Uncle Herschel is
back and all this is good. And I love the
social media responses, Oh yeah, I kill your DEEI program
we learned about, Oh yeah, you're still doing ESG kill
that we learned about that. By the way, no one

(46:13):
in your executive team has been there more than a year,
except for your Treasure, he's been there seven years. Dump
everybody else. By the way, no one there likes the brand.
We can tell by looking at him. They don't eat
our Oh. They also canceled the hash bron cast role.
So this is I want to be entertained by the
shareholder lawsuit in this because I want this lady to
have to testify. There's one hundred and twenty page deck.

(46:36):
I said this would happen, and it did. And I
want to see if she wears the Rachel Maddow glasses
to court.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Here's the thing that kills me. How dumb are these people?
The other thing? I want to look at her and go,
can you tell me? I would like a Harvard Business
Review study or some example of a turnaround like this
going woke with a company, like show me where it's worked,
show me where it has devastating right, I mean, it's

(47:03):
it's it's it. It literally is the business equivalent of
like what mom DOMI Donnie's doing in New York. We're
gonna recycle socialism again. Like I don't even want to
have the debate about this kind of stuff because it's
so stupid. Yeah right, Like let's hey, let's sit around
and argue the efficacy of carburetors versus fuel injection. Sorry,
that debate has been settled, right, like and and and
these the I the board, here's here's to me, as

(47:27):
a guy that sits on a few boards. Here's really
who should pay for the That board should be absolutely
deep six whoever hired her gone, I mean, like they said,
and the cherld was saying it, you got somebody that's
what you're gonna run this restaurant. Somebody a coastal type
elite that has no concept to what your brand's about
and doesn't neat the food. Why would you hire them? Right?

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, you have to have somebody, I think, to really
remake a brand, or in this case, she said, refine it.
You have to start by loving it. And if you
come in and you hate the brand, and you should
be honest walking into the CEO saying I hate the brand.
I had a friend of mine who was a radio programmer,
the youngest program director at a major market radio station

(48:11):
by a long shot, and they asked him to come
in and program a country radio station, and he said,
I hate country music.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Was this a fellow both you and I know?

Speaker 1 (48:21):
No, I don't think you've met him yet. Okay, okay,
But he came in and said, I hate country music.
I need to you know, I hate the lifestyle. I
can't be the program director. And here's what he said.
I know this is called young country, and I want
you to come in and program out like a rock station.
We have a music director. You never need to touch
the music. I don't want you to touch the music.

(48:43):
There's going to be a music director who handles all
of that. Don't worry about it. If you don't like
what you're seeing in the music, say something. But I
want you to come in and be a rock and
roll guy. I want our jocks to sound like the
greatest rock jocks in the world. And you know how
to do that. You know how to do personality radio.
So only those circumstances did he come in and do that.
And then this crazy thing happened. He found himself starting

(49:05):
to like some of the country songs. I remember him
calling me. He goes, Todd, you I can believe this.
I can believe this. And then Zach he went to
one of their concerts that they sponsored, and he came
back and he said, my gosh, I've been going to
rock concerts my whole life, and I went to this
country concert.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Todd.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
People bring their kids. It's like this outing and people
welcoming their children. And they found that I worked there.
They don't just ask about the personalize. They say things
to me like they had a morning show host who
was a very large man. He sins past. Hey see, okay,
I've seen some pictures of him, and is he okay?
Is there anything we can do for him? And all
of a sudden he came back to loving like this

(49:43):
so he could do that. But this lady came in,
I guarantee she came in and said, I'm going to
be the lady who cleans this crap up, this garbage
part in my language, I'm going to be the lady
who remakes this this this, this this signage to white
America and to the South, and I'm going to modernize this.
And the red next day don't have anywhere else to go.

(50:04):
I bet that was it.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Well, And the irony is here. Here's one of the ironies.
That is a very racially diverse clientele that goes into
the cracker Barrel. Yeah, very and and because it really
is a mix of like you know, classic Americana and
Southern cooking, you know what I mean, It's kind of
that hybrid. And you get a lot of blacks, a

(50:27):
lot of white, a lot of Latinos. When I went
in there, it looked like United Nations and and and
I and I loved it. I mean, because you know,
like like you I'm not eating cracker barrel once a
week for sure. Yeah, but when i'm in that, when
i'm in that part of the world and I run
by one, I make a point to get in there nice.
They got, Well, it's it's I man, I love that

(50:49):
old school Americana comfort food. When it's cooked well, yeah,
you know, it's just good. It's good stuff. It's not
good for the waistline, but good for the palate.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
If they take the soy out of their eggs, because
if if you order two eggs that cracker belt has
soy in it, if they yep, how well, probably soy
oil or their high fruit coast corn syrup coming out
of their biscuits. See, here's what happens when you put
your brand on the map this way by friend, Chris
Bray writes at Substack. He went and said, you know what,

(51:19):
I'm curious. They're this hometown southern cooking, old time home cooking,
and they say, think this was a very careful statement.
They talked about food. What do they say, food cooked scratch?
Think about that phrase, not from scratch. Okay, So Chris

(51:41):
wentz to investigated their their nutritional items and now they're
coming back there is soy in this, high fruit coast,
corn syrup in this, chemicals in this. This ain't home cooking,
and it's probably microwaved. She did this to them by
wearing the glasses and taking the job and changing the logo.
She has people like my friend Chris Bray coming back

(52:01):
and go, guys, this company's line to you. They don't
have anything down home now, Zach, They're gonna have to
redo their menu.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
So so here's here's here's the deal. I didn't even
know that part about this story. This is even more
ridiculous than it looks. If Cracker Barrel needs to turn around,
there you go, hey, shareholders of Cracker Barrel, if you
want to see the market capitalization of this company go
up fifty to one percent in the next twelve to
sixteen months, tell the board of directors to hire me

(52:29):
a CEO. We're going to cut out all the crap.
We're going to go back to the original menu like
it was twenty years ago. We're gonna sit there and say, look,
it ain't good. We ain't good for the calorie count,
but we're not pumping a bunch of chemicals and dyes
and garbage down here. This is good old the classic Americana.
We're come back the bigger portions. You come do that
you do. There's a there's a there's a there's a

(52:54):
roadmap for this, and I'll never forget it. I remember
walking in my boss's office circa tooth and nine, and
I was like, you know what stock you need to
buy it? This time I didn't manage I was starting
off from the business, so I wasn't managing much money
on my own at this time. But I walked in
him I go, you need to buy Dominoes. And I
still remember Domino's Pizza at that time was trading about
thirteen fourteen fifteen bucks a share. And the reason that

(53:16):
I wanted to buy it was because the CEO came
out with that new ad campaign. And I don't know
if you remember it. His name was Patrick something. Anyway, Yeah,
it came out, came out and he goes, so our
pizza has gotten pretty bad. We've we've done a really
bad job. We use crap ingredients, we do it. We're
going we're turning things around. Give us a chance to

(53:37):
show you our new formulation. We're delivering great quality pizza,
great products. We're going to get them to you faster,
give us another shot, tell us what you think, and
if you don't like it, your pizza's on us or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah, But the whole push was, hey, we've really dropped
the ball, right, so we're going here's where we go.
Look at what happened at the price of that stock.
Now he lived it. He executed on it really well,
drastically and crude. I remember that weekend after hearing that ad,
we ordered Dominoes for the first time probably in my life,
you know, because when I was a kid growing up,
Dominoes was like pizza answer, you know, a cheap pizza

(54:11):
that was tastes like cardboard. Yeah, but you you want
a cracker barrel turn around there? It is, right, I
mean that that is easiest turnaround ever.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, so we should take him up in that and
it just go in and say it's tallow, we've got
lard coming back. It's real sugar high first cornshurst. That
stuff's gone.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
It's real, just like Gramma made it right, just like
grab a bike.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Sugar in there, and that's a brown sugar and that's
American maid. I'm telling you that would be the way
to go. So it's good to have you on my brother,
welcome back from Alaska. Glad you had that time between
the boys and God bless you all right.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Thanks man fun as always, this is it Todd Herman Show.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Please go, be well, be strong, be kind, and make
every effort to walk in the light of Christ. I
hope you, like me and Zach, get to go spend
time with your beloved families.

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