September 22, 2025 • 26 mins
The Charlie Kirk memorial service became something extraordinary—a moment when America's highest government officials proclaimed their faith with unprecedented boldness. From the President to the Vice President to cabinet members like Marco Rubio and Pete Hegseth, the gospel message rang out clearly from the national stage. What started as a memorial transformed into what many called a revival, with three hours of worship, hymns between speakers, and testimony after testimony about Charlie's unwavering faith. The WallBuilders team witnessed firsthand as political leaders declared their commitment to be more vocal about Jesus Christ than ever before.
Perhaps the most powerful moment came when Vice President JD Vance admitted he had never spoken about Jesus more than in the days following Charlie's death—and promised not to slow down. The entire venue erupted in standing ovation, confirming what millions of Christians across social media had been saying: they were no longer afraid to share their faith. Meanwhile, Erica Kirk's courageous act of publicly forgiving her husband's murderer demonstrated the profound spiritual wisdom that will continue to guide the movement forward.
This wasn't just a memorial service—it was a defining moment for Christian engagement in public life. With cabinet members quoting Scripture, the gospel being proclaimed every few speakers, and young families witnessing government leaders put "Jesus first," the event set a new standard for faith-based leadership in America. As the WallBuilders hosts reflect on this historic gathering, they see it as confirmation that the spiritual foundation necessary for lasting freedom is being restored at the highest levels of government.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
This is the Intersection of Faith and
Culture.
It's the Wall Builder Show,with Rick Green, david Barton
and Tim Barton all here and KaraGreen joining us, because Kara
and I are just actually leaving.
We're recording the day beforeand we're leaving the memorial
service for Charlie Kirk, davidand Tim.
We're leaving the memorialservice for Charlie Kirk, david
and Tim.
Watching it from on the roadand, guys, just an incredible,
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incredible moment in ournation's history and just
hearing the name of the Lordproclaimed by the entire cabinet
, pretty much of our UnitedStates government, the president
, the vice president, everybodyelse, but also just the praise
and worship.
It was just incredible, guys.
It was.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I was blown away by several things.
We had talked a little bit, butwe really could have taken so
many of those speeches and madethem an entire show just talking
about what they said, what theyhighlighted, obviously starting
at the beginning with ourfriend Rob McCoy as he kicks
things off.
(01:06):
But we can go down the list andwhen you get to the cabinet,
when you get to Marco Rubiolaying out the gospel, you get
to Pete Hegseth.
I mean it's just, it'sincredible JD Vance saying that
he had never talked so muchabout his faith but since
Charlie died, he was now goingto be more vocal.
There are just so manyincredible things, but the fact
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that it starts off with nearlyoh.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And as soon as he said it, tim, as soon as he said
that, the whole place eruptedand stood up and gave a standing
ovation because it wasconfirmation that Christians
have been too reserved insharing their faith.
And here you got the vicepresident of the United States
confirming what millions andmillions I mean.
We've seen the videos onInstagram and TikTok and social
media and all these areas.
Everybody's saying the samething.
I was afraid to share my faithand now I am.
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And then the vice president ofthe United States saying the
same thing at the biggest eventof the year it was.
It was a special moment, forsure.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It was incredible.
And what's interesting is,leading up to that moment, my
dad and I were on a flight backfrom Boston.
As it all unfolded, all threeof us had been up at CMP in
Boston this weekend ObviouslyRick, you and Kara being there
y'all flew out early.
My dad and I stayed throughSunday because we were helping
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with the Sunday morning servicethere at CMP.
But so many of our friends fromcmp uh were there.
So many of our friends justfrom kind of life and ministry
were there as well.
Um, we have a lot of friends atturning point turning point
faith so we were sad not to bethere.
We're watching it all online.
That was texting with somefriends as it was happening and
such a testimony when everysingle person that got up, the
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thing they highlighted the mostabout Charlie Kirk was his faith
.
And one of them said you know,I'm a little nervous.
You know they're talking abouthis faith so much.
What's going to happen in theirfaith?
And I said I definitely thinkthat he was the guy that maybe,
you know, kind of was a spark atthe beginning.
(03:06):
I think he's probably the guythat was a little bit of the
thermostat in the room to someextent I said, but honestly,
with what we're seeing with someof these guys, I think there
are going to be people likewe've already heard.
At that point we already heardfrom Marco Rubio Pete Higgs has
just finished, and I said Ithink guys like Marco and Pete I
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said even Scott Turner rightthere's going to be people that
will now be even more vocal thanever before.
And so then when JD Vance comeson and says I've never talked
about Jesus more than since hepassed away, and right, I'm not
going to slow down, I'm notgoing to stop.
It was that confirmation.
And one of the things that Ithink is also so interesting is
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the things that we've beensaying literally for decades the
importance of the faithfoundation, that freedom only
works if you have a underpinningmoral structure.
The founding fathersacknowledged that underpinning
moral structure had to come fromthe Bible.
That's where the foundationcomes from.
Without the Bible, we don'thave the morals.
Without the morals, freedomdoesn't work.
And every one of these guystalk about in the midst of how
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important freedom is in America,faith has to be the foundation
and I mean, rick, we weretalking kind of big picture
about this because those weresome of the things you stood out
.
We could talk so long about allof those and we will for the
rest of the program, but eventhe fact that it started off
with three hours of worship andthen between every single
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speaker they're playing hymns.
The president comes out and ofcourse, lee Greenwood is there
to sing God Bless the USA.
But before that, the president,erica Kirk, several people.
The hymn that comes out is itis well with my soul, and it's
playing while they are comingout.
And so the turning point teamdid such a good job to highlight
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the most important aspect ofCharlie's legacy Erica JD Vance.
Some of these guys talked aboutit.
Where, early on legacy Erica JDVance, some of these guys
talked about it.
Where, early on, charlie was alittle more politically
motivated and later in his lifehe realized that if you don't
have the faith foundation, thatthe rest of it's not going to
matter and how it's kind ofthose two things are linked
together that you have thatfaith for freedom to really work
(05:21):
.
The whole thing was just sostinking incredible.
A lot of people said it.
People thought they were going.
The left said this is going tobe like a funeral service.
They didn't know this was goingto be a revival, and that is
absolutely what it felt like was.
This was a super long, amazingchurch service where God was
honored and glorified.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I was thinking about the Democrats just watching and
listening.
And again I'm going back to thesame thing you guys did when the
vice president said in the last10 days I've said Jesus Christ
more than I have in the lastyear or however long it was.
I thought you know that's goingto be.
One of the positive things thatcomes out of this is the
boldness that comes with it, andI appreciate the fact that 94
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Democrats in the House joinedthe resolution honoring Charlie
and that was good for them.
But I would say that if anyDemocrats watch this thing today
, they haven't heard the nameJesus Christ used so often since
they had their last caucusmeeting and cussed each other.
I mean, that's their cuss word.
They don't hear it usedreverentially very often and I
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think the boldness that came outof this thing will now permeate
so many of those Tim, as yousaid, those cabinet level guys
you know Marco and all thoseother guys.
I think we're going to hear awhole tone now that's nationally
different than what we've heard, not just pro-religious, but
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their faith is going to comethrough and I think that's
healthy for everybody when youstart expressing your personal
faith and don't hold back onthat.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, we talked last week about not making the
mistake of the Jesus Revolution,where we had conversions but we
didn't have discipleship.
And how much discipleship didwe hear over that?
Three or four hours?
I mean it wasn't just havefaith in Christ, it was start a
family, work hard.
There's evil out there.
Learn to fight evil.
Put on the whole armor of Godevery day.
I mean I didn't even write itall down.
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There was so much discipleshiptaking place.
So if the memorial serviceitself is any indication, we're
on the right path to not makethat mistake of just conversions
and not actually disciplingpeople.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well, and I think also one of the really, really
good things from this is I thinkthis is helping set the tone.
I mean, dad, you kind ofmentioned for the cabinet going
forward, but I think even theRepublican Party, when you had
Donald Trump Jr say, right, whatyou heard today is faith.
Trump Jr say, right, what youheard today is faith, family,
country, and if those are thingsyou care about, then this is
the place for you.
Right, you're welcome in ourmovement.
(07:52):
But what's significant is, Ithink that what happened today
obviously the way Charlie lived,but the way that his life has
been celebrated, remembered andhonored at this memorial I think
it sets the tone going forward,where multiple speakers were so
clear.
This is a nonviolent movement.
We want to have discussion anddialogue, we want to have
exchange of ideas in pursuit oftruth, and I think there was a
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lot of people over the last weekand a half that heard a lot of
bad things about Charlie Kirk.
They went and saw some of theactual, not just clips the full
hour and a half, two hour, threehour, uh, kind of tent revivals
, as they were called, at theMemorial.
But these sessions really hadconversations and I've seen
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several posts on on X formallyTwitter, I've seen several posts
where there were black men,black women saying I heard all
the accusations of him beingracist.
One guy said I've watched nowover 50 hours of Charlie Kirk on
college.
Said I am going to lead theDemocrat Party because of how
dishonest they've been.
(09:09):
I think for anybody who iswatching honestly, there's no
way you could watch whathappened today and think this is
the hateful group, this is thebigoted, whatever phobic kind of
things you want to put on thegroup.
No, if you watched it, I meanit was very clear, faith
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oriented and you might try tomake some faith accusations, but
I think this staked out veryclear ground and I think it's
really beneficial that I.
I know you're trying to saysomething, uh, and so I can come
back to this point in in verydetail in a minute.
But I think this is also suchan important foundation as we're
moving to 250th Because, asmuch as we want to celebrate
America and make America greatagain and talk about our next
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250 years, if we don't have arestoration of this faith
component, there can't be along-term future for America,
because the future of America,that freedom future, is built on
a foundation.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
There was another momentous moment that I think
I've tried to think of how theimpact Now I know it had
spiritual impact.
You know we're told that thatwe don't war against flesh and
blood but heavenly powers andthe heavenlies.
But the moment when Erica inher speech addressed to Tyler
Robinson, the guy that murderedher husband, and told him that I
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forgive you, I mean that was asmuch courage as I've ever seen
at any point in time.
And for her to do that on thenational stage oh my goodness.
You know the partisanship andthe hatred that goes between
parties.
I mean that just kind ofnegated the whole, the whole bad
atmosphere.
And that was such a courageousmoment for her to do that,
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especially what she'd beenthrough just two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And guys too.
I mean, first of all, when Iwas watching that, there were
several moments when I had tearsin my eyes and that was one of
those moments like, oh my gosh,this woman's incredible.
But what I also thought was soimportant is, as you watch so
many of the speeches at thememorial there were some
speeches from a couple of histeam members, there was some
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from a couple from the politicalside that it wasn't as seasoned
with grace and maybe there's alittle bit more of an emotional
buildup and the frustration andsome of that frustration came
out and at times it almostseemed like they were saying we
want to fight Democrats morethan we want to fight the devil.
And I honestly, as I washearing it, I thought this is
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where Charlie could really bemissed, because Charlie had the
spiritual wisdom and insight andpart of his spiritual wisdom
and insight was surroundinghimself with the right people,
surrounding himself with a RobMcCoy, a Frank Turk, some of
these really grounded peoplethat were speaking into his life
.
I thought the movement couldreally use charlie in these
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moments to remind them guys,right, they're not wrestling his
flesh and blood.
Right, we want to.
We want to fight what's evil,but we want to love people in
the midst of it and I thoughtwhen erica got up and in her
speech dad, as you're saying, offorgiving the, the man who
murdered her husband, itinstantly gave affirmation in my
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mind of how confident I feltgoing forward with Turning Point
, that when we lost Charlie bigpicture conservative movement,
that was a huge impact andthere's now been a clip from a
Charlie Kirk podcast.
It's gone around several timeswhere Charlie Kirk was there
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with Erica and the question cameup who's more conservative?
And he's like, oh my God, it'snot even close.
I'm a moderate compared toErica and he raises her for how
great she is and we've heard hertalk a few times and she is a a
very solid communicator.
But obviously there could be inour mind, like a grain of salt
right, a little balance, a babycharge, just praise his wife
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because he loves his wife, andthat's super reasonable and
defensible.
But when you saw her, when wesaw her get up and get her
speech, it really gave meconfidence that there is, there
is going to be somebody, notjust who is helping guide,
turning point, with somespiritual wisdom through the
midst of this, making sure we'rekeeping the main thing, the
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main thing.
But also even when presidenttrump uh, I think he's the one
that talked about when he callederica and erica talked about
how important that relationshiphad been with Charlie and that
she wanted to ask if she couldkeep that open door where she
could keep coming back, Ithought that it's such wisdom
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and so important that not onlyyou have some really great,
courageous leaders in TPUSA orin the White House
administration, but having thatspirit that Charlie embodied so
well, that we hate evil but welove people, and he did such a
good job of that and wedefinitely saw that in Eric and
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her speech.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, and I'll tell you when that happened it was a
collective, quiet, soft, wow.
I mean literally everybody whoturned and was looking at each
other going, wow, it was sopowerful, it really was.
And one of the things you saidearlier, tim, about he obviously
lived this.
But everybody talking about ittoday it highlighted the
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contrast of the way of life orhow to live, in other words,
kind of the Deuteronomy thing ofblessings and curses before you
.
And what people saw todayespecially if they're new to
Charlie and new to the movementor even new to conservatism or
living out a biblical life whatthey saw was, wow, there really
is a better way.
As part of what Benny Johnson'scomments were so powerful about
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is hey, charlie got ahold of me,I was a wretch and he showed me
a better way of life and nowI'm getting to live that benefit
of having a family and kids andall of those things.
So I think that testimony itwas just literally living out
the Christian faith and puttingit on display for everybody.
And that's why you heard somany people say you know,
charlie wanted young men torealize that and to find that
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structure for their life and tofind a wife and kids and devote
their lives to Christ.
I mean, it was just incrediblypowerful to hear that testimony
over and, over and over again.
Guys, we've got to take a quickbreak.
We'll be right back.
We're talking about the CharlieKirk Memorial Service and just
literally the movement that ishappening right now across the
nation and how Christ-centeredit is.
Stay with us.
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Speaker 1 (16:45):
Welcome back to the Wall Builder Show.
Thanks for staying with us.
It's a special day.
We're actually recording thison Sunday, right after the
memorial service for Charlie,and, as you're listening, you're
listening on Monday, hopefully.
Guys, most of our audiencewatched at least part of it.
It was incredibly long.
I mean that was literally abouta five-hour.
Well, if you count the threehours of worship, like you said,
tim, beforehand, a lot ofpeople got there.
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I mean we had Patriot Academygrads texting us.
They were there at 3 and 4 and5 am.
I mean we barely made itbecause, like you said earlier,
we were flying in from otherevents.
But the worship, the speeches,the messages, the entire thing,
everybody out there.
If you hadn't watched it, gowatch the whole thing.
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yes, and at this point there's going to be so
many clips floating aroundsocial media that people for
sure will have seen some of thehighlights or what people
thought were highlights in theclips.
But, guys, one of thehighlights or what people
thought were highlights, takingthe clips.
But you know, guys, one of thethings that probably all of us
have had some more seriousconversations after Charlie's
murder, that assassination, Iknow my wife had a very real
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conversation with me and waslike look, this is a concern for
me.
And one of the things that waspart of a conversation for
several days after the CharlieKirk murder was believe in
something enough that you candie for it?
Right?
Is this something?
Is defending biblical truth?
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Right?
Is defending godliness, isopposing evil, kind of whatever
it is, whatever realm you'redoing, is it important enough
that you're willing to die forit?
And so I know that my wife andI had some conversations and she
expressed some of her concern.
And you know what do we do withsecurity in different places?
I mean, guys, we speak all overthe place.
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We are firm believers in theSecond Amendment.
We are firm believers in theSecond Amendment.
Sometimes we're in states thatdon't like us to be able to
practice the ability of theSecond Amendment that we can
absolutely defend ourselves,practically speaking.
There's so many of us in themovement that are in different
places, but I know Kara is rightnow with you.
You guys are on your way to theairport and so, kara, we all
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have been in such an emotionalplace and it's been amazing the
way that God was honored andglorified, the way Jesus was
exalted, the way Charlie'smemory was honored, the courage,
just incredible tenacity, thetoughness from Erica.
But, kara, what are yourthoughts in the midst of all
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that you guys are doing?
I know y'all deal with some ofthis and I'm asking this because
I know that, as we're threeguys usually talking, having
this conversation, there's somewomen and wives and daughters
and mothers out there thatreally could be processing and
pondering some of this too.
What does it mean for you andyour family?
Again, obviously, becausethere's a lot of, there's a lot
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of ladies out there that arethinking through, obviously for
themselves.
I mean, you know, Kara, youhave tons of courage for all
that you guys are doing, butalso for your family, and I just
Rick, your sons, your daughters, literally, are on the road
traveling.
What are your thoughts on allthis?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Well, that's a good question and definitely
conversations we have had moreof for the last 10 days.
And my kids are grown and myboys are at the age where they
can actually travel with Rickand be his extra pair of eyes,
you know, watching out for him,and that is something we've
started implementing.
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More eyes, you know, watchingout for him, and that is
something we've startedimplementing more.
But I mean, I think thathonestly, as y'all know, being
in politics and then speakingand traveling for the last 25
years, there's always been alittle bit of that in the back
of our minds, of just you knowthere's going to be people out
there who disagree with you andyou just don't know what's going
to happen.
So in a way, we've alwaysthought about that and even
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talked about it before.
It definitely hits home withwhat happened to Charlie,
because I feel like thetemperature has has gone up with
the division and people, youknow, just using violence to
when they disagree with you.
But we've just always, as afamily, decided that we're going
to be the joyful warriors andwe're going to go out there and
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we're going to do what God'scalling us to do and you know we
don't know the cost of it, ifit might be somebody's life, we
don't know, and but we'rewilling to stay in it because
the alternative is that if wedon't and we stay home, we know
we're not going to be fightingfor a better country to leave
for our kids and grandkids, andthat's really what this is all
about.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I know you guys have had threats for a long time
because Wild Bullets has been sovocal and so bold and we just
started getting that at PatriotAcademy about a week before
Charlie was assassinated.
But even then, even as we weregetting a lot of that stuff and
the Nazi and you know, emptygrave pictures and safe space
for you guys and all that kindof stuff and threats to burn
down Patriot Academy, we've kindof figured it's mostly keyboard
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warriors.
Obviously, the Charlie Kirkthing brought that into focus.
But it wasn't until Thursdaynight when we were doing the
vigil for Charlie in our homecounty and it was like 1,000,
1,200 people out there and whenit was my turn to go up and
speak, it was the first time inmy life I ever actually started
scanning the rooftops andliterally for a moment thought,
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you know, if they're really outto get us, this could happen and
and it was weird, man Zero likefear, total peace and just
resolve of going.
You know what?
I'm going to be a happy warriorand if it's my time, it's my
time and I'm so thankful to getto do this.
It was like literally a joythat we get to do this and I
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don't I think that's a Steven,or you know, that's a, that's a
piece of God thing.
I don't think that's anythingwe could all conjure up or or
have like this macho courage.
It's literally, it's entirely apiece of God, and our spouses
all feel the same way when we'reout there.
It's it's.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
You know, we're blessed to get to do this and be
be joyful warriors noticed,though, being at the event today
was um from as a mom's point ofview.
I saw so many families therewith kids, and there's, you know
, the teenagers and the collegekids that charlie appealed to,
but also families with babiesand toddlers running around.
It was just so neat andrefreshing to see that they were
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there.
And all of those young peoplethere were witnessing a
president on down to the cabinet, every one of them talking
about put Jesus first in yourlife, and even many of them were
saying you know, your rightsdon't come from government, they
come from God, and they werejust like putting the gospel on
full display for all these youngpeople, and this was a searing
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moment in their minds that theywill never forget.
And when was the last time wesaw a whole administration get
up at the same event, at thesame time, proclaiming the
gospel in the strong way thatmany of them were?
I mean, it was, it really wasan incredible moment.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Absolutely yeah, and I was thinking historically I
don't know there's ever been atime, anytime, when the
Christian faith was morehighlighted from the White House
, the president, vice president,cabinet.
I was trying to think back.
You know, world War Two.
Obviously, fdr gave some greatspeeches where we were as
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Americans were getting pulled inthe World War Two.
It was Christianity versuscommunism, it was the Bible
versus Mein Kampf.
There was some really goodframing and I think most of the
cabinet would have acknowledgedChristianity on some level.
But there was never a time thatI can think of when all of them
literally were on a stage infront of people professing their
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faith and guys absolutelyamazing that it seemed like
every couple of speakers thenext speaker.
Either they hadn't heard what aspeaker before them said or
they were so compelled in theirown speech that there was like
the gospel message given everycouple of speakers, where of
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course you had Rob McCoy that'swhy he was there and then you
had a lot of the Turning Pointstaff and even Mikey McCoy,
rob's son, and there wereseveral people that highlighted
faith in God and Jesus.
But then you had Frank Turek,who goes back through some of
that gospel thought again, butthen Marco Rubio is laying the
gospel out again that PeteHegseth is talking about right,
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you need salvation.
I mean, what was so mindboggling in the most positive
way, was that you reallycouldn't listen for more than a
couple of speakers withouthearing somebody else reiterate
the gospel message.
And this is on top of the factthat virtually every single one
of them is not just saying God,they're saying Jesus and they're
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literally quoting Bible verses.
It also, you know, as all of ushave been kind of in the fight
for restoring biblical valuesand principles, for those
constitutional ideas gettingback to the Bible.
We've been doing it for so long.
It's always a fair question toask how will I be remembered
when I go?
And it made me think even morehighly of Charlie that everybody
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that knew him they didn't telljust stories that were cool
about what he had done, orinteractions or comments.
Everybody that talked about himtalked about his faith being on
full display.
That's what stood out and thatwas one of the things that
challenged me.
So much is right.
What would I be remembered for?
And I love his line I want tobe remembered for courage, for
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my faith, but the fact thateverybody around that's what
they actually saw from him.
What a testimony.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well and so cool for all those young people to have
that example to look up to andthe resolve that they have now
to follow Christ, to study hard,to actually get in there and
study.
One of the cool things thatcame out of it was how did
Charlie become this guy that hewas on the campuses?
Well, he was studying, he wasgetting in there and learning
the Word, he was sharingScripture with people every
single day.
It's just a great testimony,guys.
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That was literally the gospel,lived out on full display,
highlighted, illuminated.
And now let's go do the hardwork of making sure we do the
same thing and making sure we'rediscipling that harvest that is
coming in.
Thanks for listening.
Today, folks, You've beenlistening to the Wampo Her Show.
This is the Intersection of Faith and
Culture.
It's the Wall Builder Show,with Rick Green, david Barton
and Tim Barton all here and KaraGreen joining us, because Kara
and I are just actually leaving.
We're recording the day beforeand we're leaving the memorial
service for Charlie Kirk, davidand Tim.
We're leaving the memorialservice for Charlie Kirk, david
and Tim.
Watching it from on the roadand, guys, just an incredible,
(00:29):
incredible moment in ournation's history and just
hearing the name of the Lordproclaimed by the entire cabinet
, pretty much of our UnitedStates government, the president
, the vice president, everybodyelse, but also just the praise
and worship.
It was just incredible, guys.
It was.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I was blown away by several things.
We had talked a little bit, butwe really could have taken so
many of those speeches and madethem an entire show just talking
about what they said, what theyhighlighted, obviously starting
at the beginning with ourfriend Rob McCoy as he kicks
things off.
(01:06):
But we can go down the list andwhen you get to the cabinet,
when you get to Marco Rubiolaying out the gospel, you get
to Pete Hegseth.
I mean it's just, it'sincredible JD Vance saying that
he had never talked so muchabout his faith but since
Charlie died, he was now goingto be more vocal.
There are just so manyincredible things, but the fact
(01:28):
that it starts off with nearlyoh.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And as soon as he said it, tim, as soon as he said
that, the whole place eruptedand stood up and gave a standing
ovation because it wasconfirmation that Christians
have been too reserved insharing their faith.
And here you got the vicepresident of the United States
confirming what millions andmillions I mean.
We've seen the videos onInstagram and TikTok and social
media and all these areas.
Everybody's saying the samething.
I was afraid to share my faithand now I am.
(01:50):
And then the vice president ofthe United States saying the
same thing at the biggest eventof the year it was.
It was a special moment, forsure.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It was incredible.
And what's interesting is,leading up to that moment, my
dad and I were on a flight backfrom Boston.
As it all unfolded, all threeof us had been up at CMP in
Boston this weekend ObviouslyRick, you and Kara being there
y'all flew out early.
My dad and I stayed throughSunday because we were helping
(02:23):
with the Sunday morning servicethere at CMP.
But so many of our friends fromcmp uh were there.
So many of our friends justfrom kind of life and ministry
were there as well.
Um, we have a lot of friends atturning point turning point
faith so we were sad not to bethere.
We're watching it all online.
That was texting with somefriends as it was happening and
such a testimony when everysingle person that got up, the
(02:45):
thing they highlighted the mostabout Charlie Kirk was his faith
.
And one of them said you know,I'm a little nervous.
You know they're talking abouthis faith so much.
What's going to happen in theirfaith?
And I said I definitely thinkthat he was the guy that maybe,
you know, kind of was a spark atthe beginning.
(03:06):
I think he's probably the guythat was a little bit of the
thermostat in the room to someextent I said, but honestly,
with what we're seeing with someof these guys, I think there
are going to be people likewe've already heard.
At that point we already heardfrom Marco Rubio Pete Higgs has
just finished, and I said Ithink guys like Marco and Pete I
(03:27):
said even Scott Turner rightthere's going to be people that
will now be even more vocal thanever before.
And so then when JD Vance comeson and says I've never talked
about Jesus more than since hepassed away, and right, I'm not
going to slow down, I'm notgoing to stop.
It was that confirmation.
And one of the things that Ithink is also so interesting is
(03:48):
the things that we've beensaying literally for decades the
importance of the faithfoundation, that freedom only
works if you have a underpinningmoral structure.
The founding fathersacknowledged that underpinning
moral structure had to come fromthe Bible.
That's where the foundationcomes from.
Without the Bible, we don'thave the morals.
Without the morals, freedomdoesn't work.
And every one of these guystalk about in the midst of how
(04:11):
important freedom is in America,faith has to be the foundation
and I mean, rick, we weretalking kind of big picture
about this because those weresome of the things you stood out
.
We could talk so long about allof those and we will for the
rest of the program, but eventhe fact that it started off
with three hours of worship andthen between every single
(04:33):
speaker they're playing hymns.
The president comes out and ofcourse, lee Greenwood is there
to sing God Bless the USA.
But before that, the president,erica Kirk, several people.
The hymn that comes out is itis well with my soul, and it's
playing while they are comingout.
And so the turning point teamdid such a good job to highlight
(04:58):
the most important aspect ofCharlie's legacy Erica JD Vance.
Some of these guys talked aboutit.
Where, early on legacy Erica JDVance, some of these guys
talked about it.
Where, early on, charlie was alittle more politically
motivated and later in his lifehe realized that if you don't
have the faith foundation, thatthe rest of it's not going to
matter and how it's kind ofthose two things are linked
together that you have thatfaith for freedom to really work
(05:21):
.
The whole thing was just sostinking incredible.
A lot of people said it.
People thought they were going.
The left said this is going tobe like a funeral service.
They didn't know this was goingto be a revival, and that is
absolutely what it felt like was.
This was a super long, amazingchurch service where God was
honored and glorified.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I was thinking about the Democrats just watching and
listening.
And again I'm going back to thesame thing you guys did when the
vice president said in the last10 days I've said Jesus Christ
more than I have in the lastyear or however long it was.
I thought you know that's goingto be.
One of the positive things thatcomes out of this is the
boldness that comes with it, andI appreciate the fact that 94
(06:05):
Democrats in the House joinedthe resolution honoring Charlie
and that was good for them.
But I would say that if anyDemocrats watch this thing today
, they haven't heard the nameJesus Christ used so often since
they had their last caucusmeeting and cussed each other.
I mean, that's their cuss word.
They don't hear it usedreverentially very often and I
(06:27):
think the boldness that came outof this thing will now permeate
so many of those Tim, as yousaid, those cabinet level guys
you know Marco and all thoseother guys.
I think we're going to hear awhole tone now that's nationally
different than what we've heard, not just pro-religious, but
(06:48):
their faith is going to comethrough and I think that's
healthy for everybody when youstart expressing your personal
faith and don't hold back onthat.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, we talked last week about not making the
mistake of the Jesus Revolution,where we had conversions but we
didn't have discipleship.
And how much discipleship didwe hear over that?
Three or four hours?
I mean it wasn't just havefaith in Christ, it was start a
family, work hard.
There's evil out there.
Learn to fight evil.
Put on the whole armor of Godevery day.
I mean I didn't even write itall down.
(07:17):
There was so much discipleshiptaking place.
So if the memorial serviceitself is any indication, we're
on the right path to not makethat mistake of just conversions
and not actually disciplingpeople.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well, and I think also one of the really, really
good things from this is I thinkthis is helping set the tone.
I mean, dad, you kind ofmentioned for the cabinet going
forward, but I think even theRepublican Party, when you had
Donald Trump Jr say, right, whatyou heard today is faith.
Trump Jr say, right, what youheard today is faith, family,
country, and if those are thingsyou care about, then this is
the place for you.
Right, you're welcome in ourmovement.
(07:52):
But what's significant is, Ithink that what happened today
obviously the way Charlie lived,but the way that his life has
been celebrated, remembered andhonored at this memorial I think
it sets the tone going forward,where multiple speakers were so
clear.
This is a nonviolent movement.
We want to have discussion anddialogue, we want to have
exchange of ideas in pursuit oftruth, and I think there was a
(08:18):
lot of people over the last weekand a half that heard a lot of
bad things about Charlie Kirk.
They went and saw some of theactual, not just clips the full
hour and a half, two hour, threehour, uh, kind of tent revivals
, as they were called, at theMemorial.
But these sessions really hadconversations and I've seen
(08:41):
several posts on on X formallyTwitter, I've seen several posts
where there were black men,black women saying I heard all
the accusations of him beingracist.
One guy said I've watched nowover 50 hours of Charlie Kirk on
college.
Said I am going to lead theDemocrat Party because of how
dishonest they've been.
(09:09):
I think for anybody who iswatching honestly, there's no
way you could watch whathappened today and think this is
the hateful group, this is thebigoted, whatever phobic kind of
things you want to put on thegroup.
No, if you watched it, I meanit was very clear, faith
(09:30):
oriented and you might try tomake some faith accusations, but
I think this staked out veryclear ground and I think it's
really beneficial that I.
I know you're trying to saysomething, uh, and so I can come
back to this point in in verydetail in a minute.
But I think this is also suchan important foundation as we're
moving to 250th Because, asmuch as we want to celebrate
America and make America greatagain and talk about our next
(09:53):
250 years, if we don't have arestoration of this faith
component, there can't be along-term future for America,
because the future of America,that freedom future, is built on
a foundation.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
There was another momentous moment that I think
I've tried to think of how theimpact Now I know it had
spiritual impact.
You know we're told that thatwe don't war against flesh and
blood but heavenly powers andthe heavenlies.
But the moment when Erica inher speech addressed to Tyler
Robinson, the guy that murderedher husband, and told him that I
(10:28):
forgive you, I mean that was asmuch courage as I've ever seen
at any point in time.
And for her to do that on thenational stage oh my goodness.
You know the partisanship andthe hatred that goes between
parties.
I mean that just kind ofnegated the whole, the whole bad
atmosphere.
And that was such a courageousmoment for her to do that,
(10:49):
especially what she'd beenthrough just two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And guys too.
I mean, first of all, when Iwas watching that, there were
several moments when I had tearsin my eyes and that was one of
those moments like, oh my gosh,this woman's incredible.
But what I also thought was soimportant is, as you watch so
many of the speeches at thememorial there were some
speeches from a couple of histeam members, there was some
(11:15):
from a couple from the politicalside that it wasn't as seasoned
with grace and maybe there's alittle bit more of an emotional
buildup and the frustration andsome of that frustration came
out and at times it almostseemed like they were saying we
want to fight Democrats morethan we want to fight the devil.
And I honestly, as I washearing it, I thought this is
(11:38):
where Charlie could really bemissed, because Charlie had the
spiritual wisdom and insight andpart of his spiritual wisdom
and insight was surroundinghimself with the right people,
surrounding himself with a RobMcCoy, a Frank Turk, some of
these really grounded peoplethat were speaking into his life
.
I thought the movement couldreally use charlie in these
(11:58):
moments to remind them guys,right, they're not wrestling his
flesh and blood.
Right, we want to.
We want to fight what's evil,but we want to love people in
the midst of it and I thoughtwhen erica got up and in her
speech dad, as you're saying, offorgiving the, the man who
murdered her husband, itinstantly gave affirmation in my
(12:22):
mind of how confident I feltgoing forward with Turning Point
, that when we lost Charlie bigpicture conservative movement,
that was a huge impact andthere's now been a clip from a
Charlie Kirk podcast.
It's gone around several timeswhere Charlie Kirk was there
(12:43):
with Erica and the question cameup who's more conservative?
And he's like, oh my God, it'snot even close.
I'm a moderate compared toErica and he raises her for how
great she is and we've heard hertalk a few times and she is a a
very solid communicator.
But obviously there could be inour mind, like a grain of salt
right, a little balance, a babycharge, just praise his wife
(13:05):
because he loves his wife, andthat's super reasonable and
defensible.
But when you saw her, when wesaw her get up and get her
speech, it really gave meconfidence that there is, there
is going to be somebody, notjust who is helping guide,
turning point, with somespiritual wisdom through the
midst of this, making sure we'rekeeping the main thing, the
(13:25):
main thing.
But also even when presidenttrump uh, I think he's the one
that talked about when he callederica and erica talked about
how important that relationshiphad been with Charlie and that
she wanted to ask if she couldkeep that open door where she
could keep coming back, Ithought that it's such wisdom
(13:47):
and so important that not onlyyou have some really great,
courageous leaders in TPUSA orin the White House
administration, but having thatspirit that Charlie embodied so
well, that we hate evil but welove people, and he did such a
good job of that and wedefinitely saw that in Eric and
(14:09):
her speech.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, and I'll tell you when that happened it was a
collective, quiet, soft, wow.
I mean literally everybody whoturned and was looking at each
other going, wow, it was sopowerful, it really was.
And one of the things you saidearlier, tim, about he obviously
lived this.
But everybody talking about ittoday it highlighted the
(14:31):
contrast of the way of life orhow to live, in other words,
kind of the Deuteronomy thing ofblessings and curses before you
.
And what people saw todayespecially if they're new to
Charlie and new to the movementor even new to conservatism or
living out a biblical life whatthey saw was, wow, there really
is a better way.
As part of what Benny Johnson'scomments were so powerful about
(14:55):
is hey, charlie got ahold of me,I was a wretch and he showed me
a better way of life and nowI'm getting to live that benefit
of having a family and kids andall of those things.
So I think that testimony itwas just literally living out
the Christian faith and puttingit on display for everybody.
And that's why you heard somany people say you know,
charlie wanted young men torealize that and to find that
(15:16):
structure for their life and tofind a wife and kids and devote
their lives to Christ.
I mean, it was just incrediblypowerful to hear that testimony
over and, over and over again.
Guys, we've got to take a quickbreak.
We'll be right back.
We're talking about the CharlieKirk Memorial Service and just
literally the movement that ishappening right now across the
nation and how Christ-centeredit is.
Stay with us.
(15:36):
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
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Speaker 1 (16:45):
Welcome back to the Wall Builder Show.
Thanks for staying with us.
It's a special day.
We're actually recording thison Sunday, right after the
memorial service for Charlie,and, as you're listening, you're
listening on Monday, hopefully.
Guys, most of our audiencewatched at least part of it.
It was incredibly long.
I mean that was literally abouta five-hour.
Well, if you count the threehours of worship, like you said,
tim, beforehand, a lot ofpeople got there.
(17:07):
I mean we had Patriot Academygrads texting us.
They were there at 3 and 4 and5 am.
I mean we barely made itbecause, like you said earlier,
we were flying in from otherevents.
But the worship, the speeches,the messages, the entire thing,
everybody out there.
If you hadn't watched it, gowatch the whole thing.
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yes, and at this point there's going to be so
many clips floating aroundsocial media that people for
sure will have seen some of thehighlights or what people
thought were highlights in theclips.
But, guys, one of thehighlights or what people
thought were highlights, takingthe clips.
But you know, guys, one of thethings that probably all of us
have had some more seriousconversations after Charlie's
murder, that assassination, Iknow my wife had a very real
(17:50):
conversation with me and waslike look, this is a concern for
me.
And one of the things that waspart of a conversation for
several days after the CharlieKirk murder was believe in
something enough that you candie for it?
Right?
Is this something?
Is defending biblical truth?
(18:11):
Right?
Is defending godliness, isopposing evil, kind of whatever
it is, whatever realm you'redoing, is it important enough
that you're willing to die forit?
And so I know that my wife andI had some conversations and she
expressed some of her concern.
And you know what do we do withsecurity in different places?
I mean, guys, we speak all overthe place.
(18:32):
We are firm believers in theSecond Amendment.
We are firm believers in theSecond Amendment.
Sometimes we're in states thatdon't like us to be able to
practice the ability of theSecond Amendment that we can
absolutely defend ourselves,practically speaking.
There's so many of us in themovement that are in different
places, but I know Kara is rightnow with you.
You guys are on your way to theairport and so, kara, we all
(18:53):
have been in such an emotionalplace and it's been amazing the
way that God was honored andglorified, the way Jesus was
exalted, the way Charlie'smemory was honored, the courage,
just incredible tenacity, thetoughness from Erica.
But, kara, what are yourthoughts in the midst of all
(19:15):
that you guys are doing?
I know y'all deal with some ofthis and I'm asking this because
I know that, as we're threeguys usually talking, having
this conversation, there's somewomen and wives and daughters
and mothers out there thatreally could be processing and
pondering some of this too.
What does it mean for you andyour family?
Again, obviously, becausethere's a lot of, there's a lot
(19:38):
of ladies out there that arethinking through, obviously for
themselves.
I mean, you know, Kara, youhave tons of courage for all
that you guys are doing, butalso for your family, and I just
Rick, your sons, your daughters, literally, are on the road
traveling.
What are your thoughts on allthis?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Well, that's a good question and definitely
conversations we have had moreof for the last 10 days.
And my kids are grown and myboys are at the age where they
can actually travel with Rickand be his extra pair of eyes,
you know, watching out for him,and that is something we've
started implementing.
(20:16):
More eyes, you know, watchingout for him, and that is
something we've startedimplementing more.
But I mean, I think thathonestly, as y'all know, being
in politics and then speakingand traveling for the last 25
years, there's always been alittle bit of that in the back
of our minds, of just you knowthere's going to be people out
there who disagree with you andyou just don't know what's going
to happen.
So in a way, we've alwaysthought about that and even
(20:38):
talked about it before.
It definitely hits home withwhat happened to Charlie,
because I feel like thetemperature has has gone up with
the division and people, youknow, just using violence to
when they disagree with you.
But we've just always, as afamily, decided that we're going
to be the joyful warriors andwe're going to go out there and
(20:59):
we're going to do what God'scalling us to do and you know we
don't know the cost of it, ifit might be somebody's life, we
don't know, and but we'rewilling to stay in it because
the alternative is that if wedon't and we stay home, we know
we're not going to be fightingfor a better country to leave
for our kids and grandkids, andthat's really what this is all
about.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I know you guys have had threats for a long time
because Wild Bullets has been sovocal and so bold and we just
started getting that at PatriotAcademy about a week before
Charlie was assassinated.
But even then, even as we weregetting a lot of that stuff and
the Nazi and you know, emptygrave pictures and safe space
for you guys and all that kindof stuff and threats to burn
down Patriot Academy, we've kindof figured it's mostly keyboard
(21:38):
warriors.
Obviously, the Charlie Kirkthing brought that into focus.
But it wasn't until Thursdaynight when we were doing the
vigil for Charlie in our homecounty and it was like 1,000,
1,200 people out there and whenit was my turn to go up and
speak, it was the first time inmy life I ever actually started
scanning the rooftops andliterally for a moment thought,
(21:59):
you know, if they're really outto get us, this could happen and
and it was weird, man Zero likefear, total peace and just
resolve of going.
You know what?
I'm going to be a happy warriorand if it's my time, it's my
time and I'm so thankful to getto do this.
It was like literally a joythat we get to do this and I
(22:19):
don't I think that's a Steven,or you know, that's a, that's a
piece of God thing.
I don't think that's anythingwe could all conjure up or or
have like this macho courage.
It's literally, it's entirely apiece of God, and our spouses
all feel the same way when we'reout there.
It's it's.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
You know, we're blessed to get to do this and be
be joyful warriors noticed,though, being at the event today
was um from as a mom's point ofview.
I saw so many families therewith kids, and there's, you know
, the teenagers and the collegekids that charlie appealed to,
but also families with babiesand toddlers running around.
It was just so neat andrefreshing to see that they were
(22:55):
there.
And all of those young peoplethere were witnessing a
president on down to the cabinet, every one of them talking
about put Jesus first in yourlife, and even many of them were
saying you know, your rightsdon't come from government, they
come from God, and they werejust like putting the gospel on
full display for all these youngpeople, and this was a searing
(23:16):
moment in their minds that theywill never forget.
And when was the last time wesaw a whole administration get
up at the same event, at thesame time, proclaiming the
gospel in the strong way thatmany of them were?
I mean, it was, it really wasan incredible moment.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Absolutely yeah, and I was thinking historically I
don't know there's ever been atime, anytime, when the
Christian faith was morehighlighted from the White House
, the president, vice president,cabinet.
I was trying to think back.
You know, world War Two.
Obviously, fdr gave some greatspeeches where we were as
(23:51):
Americans were getting pulled inthe World War Two.
It was Christianity versuscommunism, it was the Bible
versus Mein Kampf.
There was some really goodframing and I think most of the
cabinet would have acknowledgedChristianity on some level.
But there was never a time thatI can think of when all of them
literally were on a stage infront of people professing their
(24:14):
faith and guys absolutelyamazing that it seemed like
every couple of speakers thenext speaker.
Either they hadn't heard what aspeaker before them said or
they were so compelled in theirown speech that there was like
the gospel message given everycouple of speakers, where of
(24:34):
course you had Rob McCoy that'swhy he was there and then you
had a lot of the Turning Pointstaff and even Mikey McCoy,
rob's son, and there wereseveral people that highlighted
faith in God and Jesus.
But then you had Frank Turek,who goes back through some of
that gospel thought again, butthen Marco Rubio is laying the
gospel out again that PeteHegseth is talking about right,
(24:55):
you need salvation.
I mean, what was so mindboggling in the most positive
way, was that you reallycouldn't listen for more than a
couple of speakers withouthearing somebody else reiterate
the gospel message.
And this is on top of the factthat virtually every single one
of them is not just saying God,they're saying Jesus and they're
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literally quoting Bible verses.
It also, you know, as all of ushave been kind of in the fight
for restoring biblical valuesand principles, for those
constitutional ideas gettingback to the Bible.
We've been doing it for so long.
It's always a fair question toask how will I be remembered
when I go?
And it made me think even morehighly of Charlie that everybody
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that knew him they didn't telljust stories that were cool
about what he had done, orinteractions or comments.
Everybody that talked about himtalked about his faith being on
full display.
That's what stood out and thatwas one of the things that
challenged me.
So much is right.
What would I be remembered for?
And I love his line I want tobe remembered for courage, for
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my faith, but the fact thateverybody around that's what
they actually saw from him.
What a testimony.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well and so cool for all those young people to have
that example to look up to andthe resolve that they have now
to follow Christ, to study hard,to actually get in there and
study.
One of the cool things thatcame out of it was how did
Charlie become this guy that hewas on the campuses?
Well, he was studying, he wasgetting in there and learning
the Word, he was sharingScripture with people every
single day.
It's just a great testimony,guys.
(26:29):
That was literally the gospel,lived out on full display,
highlighted, illuminated.
And now let's go do the hardwork of making sure we do the
same thing and making sure we'rediscipling that harvest that is
coming in.
Thanks for listening.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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