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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to all in Steelers Nation. I'm Stan
Savereign from the Pittsburgh Steelers Radio Network. Welcome to our
time machine, and it's my great pleasure to welcome in
one of the great Steeler linebackers, and that's saying something
of all time, Levan Kirkland Levon, it's great to see you.
Just don't look any different, you don't. Well, thank you
(00:20):
for having me back. Man, It's so great to be
in Pitts first. Great seeing you. Thank you. I appreciate
that more to like about Pittsburgh than just me, but
I appreciate that you're drafted in the second round by
the Steelers out of Clemson, and I wonder, first of all,
all you thought about being drafted by a Northern team. Well,
(00:40):
you know, actually I wanted to be drafted by the
Pittsfursh Steelers. I talked to coach Kawer and his staff
doing the combines and you know, just doing the all season.
In meeting with Coast car, I thought he was a
dynamic young coach that I wanted to play with. So
my draft experience was I was at my sister's home
(01:01):
and I didn't think I'll go in the first round,
but I thought I'd go in the second round. And
the pick came up, and I went in the bathroom
and I was like, they're gonna pick me. They're gonna
pick me, They're gonna pick me. I went back in
the kitchen table, the phone rangs, and Charles Bailey won
the scouts. He's talking to me, he said, oh, because
(01:22):
I'm from a small town. He's like, do y'all have
cable TV in Lamar, South Carolina. I'm like, yeah, we
got cable TV. He's like, do y'all have ESPN. I'm like,
it comes with the package. And he said, man, congratulation
and here with the spitch of Steelers. And I was
so thrilled. I really was. I thought that Coach Kauer
(01:46):
I was gonna be a big impact for the Steelers,
and I was glad that I was this second round pick.
Now he certainly was, and so were you. I wonder
if you thought about the linebacker fit given the reputation
well earned by previous Steeler linebackers, you know, some of
the greatest players of all time, And I wondered if
(02:07):
that entered your consciousness when you were drafted by the Steelers. Absolutely,
and especially when I got here at Pittsburgh, it was
it was something that was always on my mind. And
I was changing positions because that Clemson I played more
of a defensive end outside linebacker, and then they moved
me to inside, and I really did not know exactly
(02:29):
what I was doing. I was just like, just run
to the ball, if anything, just run to the ball.
And you know, of course I got better at it
and I ended up starting my second year, but I
really thought about, man, you're playing the position that Jack
Lambert played, you know, David Little, Merryweather, some other guys
that played the linebacker position to its finest. I was like,
(02:50):
you got to make sure that, you know, you play
up to that level. So I definitely took ownership of that.
And having the defensive mind coaches that we had like
coach Kyar, Donna Capers, Dick Labo, Marvin Lewis. At the time,
it really challenged me, you know, because it was as
(03:11):
it was a position that I wasn't very familiar with.
It was the position of Jack Lambert and outside you know,
Jack Cammon, Andy Russell and so on and so forth.
But you came in with a group of four that
might have been certainly equal to the one of the
greatest tandems in NFL history with Quiver and Quake and
(03:32):
Chad Brown for a while. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what,
we really did have a great linebacker corps. I thought
that it really started with Greg and Kevin because those
guys were season pros. Chad and I were very young.
I was only in my second year, he was in
his first year. So we really looked up to those
(03:53):
guys to kind of show us the way, and it
really worked out. And one of the cool things were
was we looked at film and we kind of looked
at it from our perspective, no coaches in there. So
after the practice was over with, Kevin would drag me,
Me and Chad and Greg would later join us and
we would talk about the game. And I really felt
(04:14):
that's the reason why we were so good. We kind
of say, Hey, in this situation, I'm gonna do this.
What do you think you're gonna do? Yeah, I'm gonna
do this, But if you do this, then I can
do this. So it was really a collaboration between the
four of us, and Chad and I just wanted to
be We wanted to be the best that we possibly
can be, and we had two great examples. So it
(04:36):
was a fun time playing with that defense and the
scheme that we ran with the blitz the blitz zones
that we did, it was a lot of fun. Do
you think the way the game is being played now,
getting away from guys at your size with middle linebackers
who can cover tight ends. Not that you couldn't, but
you know, it's a speed game, it's a passing game. Now,
(04:57):
do you think that there would be room for you
to play in today's game? Maybe not, but I'm thinking
that with the training and everything that's going on now,
I think guys who played in in an era could adjust.
So I think I probably could adjust, you know, but
I probably couldn't have been that size because most coaches
would have probably been like, no, I don't think you
(05:17):
can play it. And I was fortunate to be with
it Steelers because they didn't really look at my size.
They're just like, man, this guy can play, he can move.
We watched him do it every day and so they
didn't have a bias. I think most coaches may have
a bias about it, and they probably wouldn't have gave
me the opportunity to do it. When you look back
on your career, everybody wants to go to a super
(05:41):
Bowl what you did. Everybody wants to win the Super Bowl,
what you came close to doing. But when you look
back at opportunities and opportunities lost the loss to San
Diego and ninety four. You were big favorites in that game.
San Diego was not expected to be there. It might
(06:01):
have been certainly one of the most devastating losses on
the Pittsburgh field of all time. What are your thoughts
about that game and what went wrong. I think it
was a lesson and making sure you respect your opponent.
I thought that we really didn't do a good job
of respect to San Diego. We thought that it's gonna
(06:22):
be a cake walk. We're gonna go out here and
we're gonna win our Super Bowl. And we had a
great team that year. That's probably there's probably a little
better than the team we had the year we did
go to the Super Bowl. But I thought we didn't
really play them well and we didn't put them away.
I mean, we came out and we scored, and we
probably leading in the game the whole time, but we
(06:44):
just didn't put them away. It was thirteen to three
in the third quarter, right, and we just and they
got this big play with a tight end down the middle.
Alfred Yeah, and it was it was a fake little
counter and I think we all bit up and he
got behind in this and then to let the deep
pass later on. And I mean, we played hard enough,
(07:05):
but I don't think mentally, I don't think our mindset
was really about, Hey man, whoever you play, you gotta
go in there, you gotta play them hard. And it
was amazing because we did it all season. I mean
we went in this, I mean we kind of dominated
this season. That's when the Blitzburg defense really really flourished.
(07:25):
But I think we came in thinking that it was
going to be a cake walk and we just wasn't
mentally in it. And they were San Diego was and
they played hard and they made enough plays to beat us.
I have talked to some of your former teammates about this.
Do you think that losing that game in the ninety
four AFC Championship Game was sort of a springboard to
(07:49):
ninety five to this time, even though it was scary
against Indianapolis there at the very end, do you think
that the lost ninety four served as any kind of momentum,
any kind of springboard into the ninety five season. Absolutely. Absolutely,
It's kind of funny. We started off slow, We started
(08:09):
off three and four that year. We went on a
bye week, we come back and the board is clear.
Everybody's like wondering why it's the board clear, and coach
Kyra really did amazing job of resetting our mindset and say, hey, listen,
forget about the three and four record. We're gonna start over.
We're gonna start the season over. This is our first game,
(08:31):
and we really we won that first game against Jacksonville,
who beat us earlier, and then we go to Chicago
and we win an overtime game in Chicago that puts
US at two and no, we really start buying in
to man, Okay, maybe it's something to it. And then
Greg Lloyd, to his credit, was like, as a team,
(08:52):
we're gonna hang together. We're gonna go out together, we're
gonna do some things together as a team. I don't
care if you're married, I don't care whatever you tell
your wives. That we're going to hang together. And we
started hanging together and we started to get to know
each other, not just on the field. I thought we
were a pretty close team, but that year we became
closer because guys started really talking to each other rather
(09:15):
on the offense or defense, and we started really playing
for each other. I think we ran off maybe eight games.
We were like eight no, and then we lost the
Green Bay at the very end, and then we got
to the playoffs. We were just like, we are going
to the super Bowl. I don't care how we get
it done. And that Indianapolis game was really it tests
(09:36):
I will because they came in, they played hard. We
didn't take him for granted this time around, though, and
it was fourth and three and we were like, how
ironic that's It was like, man, it's like San Diego again.
We get that. And I think it was just really
no stopping us. And I think that experience from ninety
four really helped us out of ninety five. Can you
(09:56):
vividly recall where you were on the field when Jim
Harball unleashed that Hail Mary. There was a prayer that
was almost answered. Yeah, I was on the sideline. We
were in the DIN package, which is our third down package,
which one linebacker six dvs. And I was on the
sideline and when I saw that ball going to the the air,
(10:19):
I was like, oh my god, please, oh Jesus. I
won't ask you for anything else, but let's make sure
we knocked the ball down. And when it first happened,
I didn't really see it. And when it came down,
I'm like, oh my god, he caught it. He caught it.
And then I saw our guys doing that, and the
referee was on top of it. And when he did that, man,
(10:41):
you're talking about glory. You're talking about touching your heart
because as a kid you always think about going to
the Super Bowl and being and actually doing it. It's
an amazing feeling. Let's continue with that. So the exaltation
is great, exercising some demons. Now you're on the way
(11:01):
to Phoenix to play the Cowboys. What was it like
just the week leading up to the Super Bowl in
Phoenix and actually stepping on the field even before the
first play. It was amazing, and you know, really it was.
It was really a transforming year for me as a
as a linebacker because I adapted, you know the role
(11:26):
of I don't care what I do. I'm just gonna
play the win, you know. And we had the other linebackers,
and you know, we were getting a lot of recognition,
and I felt like for myself, I was a guy
that kind of did some of the dirty work as
an inside linebacker, and I was just like, you know what,
(11:47):
I just want to win. I don't care, I don't
care what. I don't care if I make one tackle.
I just want to make sure that I helped our
team win. And that was my attitude going in. And
I really felt that we were just we're gonna win
this thing. We're gonna win. My mindset was ready to
win it. And I remember just walking out and just
knowing that you're the only show in the world that
(12:10):
everybody's watching you. I mean all across the world, even
the casual fan, even fans that are not really you know,
even people who are not really fans, They're gonna watch you.
And I'm from a small town and I just wanted
to represent my small town, my mother and father in
a great way. And it was glorious. Man. I had
a great time. I was a little nervous when it
(12:32):
first started. I think I messed up the first play.
That's when Emmy got the twenty one yard run and
he just kind of settled down, and it was something
that I did in my backyard, you know, a thousand
times playing that Super Bowl and a settled down. Well,
speaking of your experience in the Super Bowl against Dallas,
you had one of the more memorable plays when you
(12:52):
took down all the favored Troy Aikman. Yeah. It was
a play called closy result Why And as I as
I called a player, I was like, yes, I'm about
to make him big play. And as we went through it,
it's really the defensive end is going all the way
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to the A gap. I'm going into the B gap,
and the outside linebacker is going to the outside and
it would usually confuse a lot of people a lot
of times. And I went through and I'm wide open
and I'm like, I'm going to get up. And the
thing was Emmett saw me at the last minute. He
came to cut me, and I saw him, and I
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kind of just jumped over and I reached for Troy
and I was able to kind of with him and
he went down. But I I tell people if if Emmitt,
it was actually Emmit making a really good play, because
if he didn't, I probably would knocked Troy into the
next week I mean, I had a bead on him,
but it was a great play. I thought that was
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the play that was going to turn it around. It
was something that I thought about ever since I was
a little kid eleven years old, about making a big play,
and once Coast Labot called that playoff, was like, I'm
about to make a big play. It's about to happen.
And it did. It didn't happen the way I thought,
but it was kind of dramatic in a lot of
ways because I had to jump over. I kind of
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swiped at him and he kind of failed. And it
was just a big play, man, just and I thought like, yes,
you know, this is a place it's going to turn around.
I even thought like, man, I might even get the MVP,
but that's another story. We didn't quite get there. But
it was a big play, man. I really enjoyed that place.
One of my favorite plays. You finish your career with
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Seattle and Philly, but here you sit wearing a Pittsburgh
Steelers shirt and it's just a matter of you can
take the guy out of Pittsburgh, but you can never
take the Pittsburgh out of the guy. Exactly. Once a Steeler,
always a Steeler. It's just you know, it's just a
matter of a matter of fact. It's just the law.
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You know. Once you once you come to Pittsburgh, no
matter where else you've been, you're a Steeler. There's something
special here. They do it a little differently, you know.
And you got to credit the Rooney family for that,
for that leadership up top. And then we had a
great coach and Bill Kawer that also had that vision.
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And as players we kind of took that. You really,
I mean like you really took it seriously about being
in the Black and Girl Like. Even though I played
for other teams which us a good experience, is nothing
like being a Pittsburgh Stealer. Lavana is great to sit
down and chat with you, so great to get together
once again. Yeah, you're such a great player and a
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great individual and a great person and human being. You're
you're a credit to the Steelers in the entire city
of Pittsburgh. Thank you so much. I mean, I am
so humble to be thought of it that way. I am.
I never really thought of myself as a big time
player or anything like that, but to be said that
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man lebron Kirk was one of the best linebackers ever
played at Pittsburgh. That's saying a whole lot. So you know,
the fans, you guys are beautiful, Rooney family, they're beautiful.
I'm just glad. I was just I mean, I was
just blessed to be here. And thank you guys for
interviewing me. It was great talking to you again. My pleasure.
Thanks all right,
Hello, and welcome to all in Steelers Nation. I'm Stan
Savereign from the Pittsburgh Steelers Radio Network. Welcome to our
time machine, and it's my great pleasure to welcome in
one of the great Steeler linebackers, and that's saying something
of all time, Levan Kirkland Levon, it's great to see you.
Just don't look any different, you don't. Well, thank you
(00:20):
for having me back. Man, It's so great to be
in Pitts first. Great seeing you. Thank you. I appreciate
that more to like about Pittsburgh than just me, but
I appreciate that you're drafted in the second round by
the Steelers out of Clemson, and I wonder, first of all,
all you thought about being drafted by a Northern team. Well,
(00:40):
you know, actually I wanted to be drafted by the
Pittsfursh Steelers. I talked to coach Kawer and his staff
doing the combines and you know, just doing the all season.
In meeting with Coast car, I thought he was a
dynamic young coach that I wanted to play with. So
my draft experience was I was at my sister's home
(01:01):
and I didn't think I'll go in the first round,
but I thought I'd go in the second round. And
the pick came up, and I went in the bathroom
and I was like, they're gonna pick me. They're gonna
pick me, They're gonna pick me. I went back in
the kitchen table, the phone rangs, and Charles Bailey won
the scouts. He's talking to me, he said, oh, because
(01:22):
I'm from a small town. He's like, do y'all have
cable TV in Lamar, South Carolina. I'm like, yeah, we
got cable TV. He's like, do y'all have ESPN. I'm like,
it comes with the package. And he said, man, congratulation
and here with the spitch of Steelers. And I was
so thrilled. I really was. I thought that Coach Kauer
(01:46):
I was gonna be a big impact for the Steelers,
and I was glad that I was this second round pick.
Now he certainly was, and so were you. I wonder
if you thought about the linebacker fit given the reputation
well earned by previous Steeler linebackers, you know, some of
the greatest players of all time, And I wondered if
(02:07):
that entered your consciousness when you were drafted by the Steelers. Absolutely,
and especially when I got here at Pittsburgh, it was
it was something that was always on my mind. And
I was changing positions because that Clemson I played more
of a defensive end outside linebacker, and then they moved
me to inside, and I really did not know exactly
(02:29):
what I was doing. I was just like, just run
to the ball, if anything, just run to the ball.
And you know, of course I got better at it
and I ended up starting my second year, but I
really thought about, man, you're playing the position that Jack
Lambert played, you know, David Little, Merryweather, some other guys
that played the linebacker position to its finest. I was like,
(02:50):
you got to make sure that, you know, you play
up to that level. So I definitely took ownership of that.
And having the defensive mind coaches that we had like
coach Kyar, Donna Capers, Dick Labo, Marvin Lewis. At the time,
it really challenged me, you know, because it was as
(03:11):
it was a position that I wasn't very familiar with.
It was the position of Jack Lambert and outside you know,
Jack Cammon, Andy Russell and so on and so forth.
But you came in with a group of four that
might have been certainly equal to the one of the
greatest tandems in NFL history with Quiver and Quake and
(03:32):
Chad Brown for a while. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what,
we really did have a great linebacker corps. I thought
that it really started with Greg and Kevin because those
guys were season pros. Chad and I were very young.
I was only in my second year, he was in
his first year. So we really looked up to those
(03:53):
guys to kind of show us the way, and it
really worked out. And one of the cool things were
was we looked at film and we kind of looked
at it from our perspective, no coaches in there. So
after the practice was over with, Kevin would drag me,
Me and Chad and Greg would later join us and
we would talk about the game. And I really felt
(04:14):
that's the reason why we were so good. We kind
of say, Hey, in this situation, I'm gonna do this.
What do you think you're gonna do? Yeah, I'm gonna
do this, But if you do this, then I can
do this. So it was really a collaboration between the
four of us, and Chad and I just wanted to
be We wanted to be the best that we possibly
can be, and we had two great examples. So it
(04:36):
was a fun time playing with that defense and the
scheme that we ran with the blitz the blitz zones
that we did, it was a lot of fun. Do
you think the way the game is being played now,
getting away from guys at your size with middle linebackers
who can cover tight ends. Not that you couldn't, but
you know, it's a speed game, it's a passing game. Now,
(04:57):
do you think that there would be room for you
to play in today's game? Maybe not, but I'm thinking
that with the training and everything that's going on now,
I think guys who played in in an era could adjust.
So I think I probably could adjust, you know, but
I probably couldn't have been that size because most coaches
would have probably been like, no, I don't think you
(05:17):
can play it. And I was fortunate to be with
it Steelers because they didn't really look at my size.
They're just like, man, this guy can play, he can move.
We watched him do it every day and so they
didn't have a bias. I think most coaches may have
a bias about it, and they probably wouldn't have gave
me the opportunity to do it. When you look back
on your career, everybody wants to go to a super
(05:41):
Bowl what you did. Everybody wants to win the Super Bowl,
what you came close to doing. But when you look
back at opportunities and opportunities lost the loss to San
Diego and ninety four. You were big favorites in that game.
San Diego was not expected to be there. It might
(06:01):
have been certainly one of the most devastating losses on
the Pittsburgh field of all time. What are your thoughts
about that game and what went wrong. I think it
was a lesson and making sure you respect your opponent.
I thought that we really didn't do a good job
of respect to San Diego. We thought that it's gonna
(06:22):
be a cake walk. We're gonna go out here and
we're gonna win our Super Bowl. And we had a
great team that year. That's probably there's probably a little
better than the team we had the year we did
go to the Super Bowl. But I thought we didn't
really play them well and we didn't put them away.
I mean, we came out and we scored, and we
probably leading in the game the whole time, but we
(06:44):
just didn't put them away. It was thirteen to three
in the third quarter, right, and we just and they
got this big play with a tight end down the middle.
Alfred Yeah, and it was it was a fake little
counter and I think we all bit up and he
got behind in this and then to let the deep
pass later on. And I mean, we played hard enough,
(07:05):
but I don't think mentally, I don't think our mindset
was really about, Hey man, whoever you play, you gotta
go in there, you gotta play them hard. And it
was amazing because we did it all season. I mean
we went in this, I mean we kind of dominated
this season. That's when the Blitzburg defense really really flourished.
(07:25):
But I think we came in thinking that it was
going to be a cake walk and we just wasn't
mentally in it. And they were San Diego was and
they played hard and they made enough plays to beat us.
I have talked to some of your former teammates about this.
Do you think that losing that game in the ninety
four AFC Championship Game was sort of a springboard to
(07:49):
ninety five to this time, even though it was scary
against Indianapolis there at the very end, do you think
that the lost ninety four served as any kind of momentum,
any kind of springboard into the ninety five season. Absolutely. Absolutely,
It's kind of funny. We started off slow, We started
(08:09):
off three and four that year. We went on a
bye week, we come back and the board is clear.
Everybody's like wondering why it's the board clear, and coach
Kyra really did amazing job of resetting our mindset and say, hey, listen,
forget about the three and four record. We're gonna start over.
We're gonna start the season over. This is our first game,
(08:31):
and we really we won that first game against Jacksonville,
who beat us earlier, and then we go to Chicago
and we win an overtime game in Chicago that puts
US at two and no, we really start buying in
to man, Okay, maybe it's something to it. And then
Greg Lloyd, to his credit, was like, as a team,
(08:52):
we're gonna hang together. We're gonna go out together, we're
gonna do some things together as a team. I don't
care if you're married, I don't care whatever you tell
your wives. That we're going to hang together. And we
started hanging together and we started to get to know
each other, not just on the field. I thought we
were a pretty close team, but that year we became
closer because guys started really talking to each other rather
(09:15):
on the offense or defense, and we started really playing
for each other. I think we ran off maybe eight games.
We were like eight no, and then we lost the
Green Bay at the very end, and then we got
to the playoffs. We were just like, we are going
to the super Bowl. I don't care how we get
it done. And that Indianapolis game was really it tests
(09:36):
I will because they came in, they played hard. We
didn't take him for granted this time around, though, and
it was fourth and three and we were like, how
ironic that's It was like, man, it's like San Diego again.
We get that. And I think it was just really
no stopping us. And I think that experience from ninety
four really helped us out of ninety five. Can you
(09:56):
vividly recall where you were on the field when Jim
Harball unleashed that Hail Mary. There was a prayer that
was almost answered. Yeah, I was on the sideline. We
were in the DIN package, which is our third down package,
which one linebacker six dvs. And I was on the
sideline and when I saw that ball going to the the air,
(10:19):
I was like, oh my god, please, oh Jesus. I
won't ask you for anything else, but let's make sure
we knocked the ball down. And when it first happened,
I didn't really see it. And when it came down,
I'm like, oh my god, he caught it. He caught it.
And then I saw our guys doing that, and the
referee was on top of it. And when he did that, man,
(10:41):
you're talking about glory. You're talking about touching your heart
because as a kid you always think about going to
the Super Bowl and being and actually doing it. It's
an amazing feeling. Let's continue with that. So the exaltation
is great, exercising some demons. Now you're on the way
(11:01):
to Phoenix to play the Cowboys. What was it like
just the week leading up to the Super Bowl in
Phoenix and actually stepping on the field even before the
first play. It was amazing, and you know, really it was.
It was really a transforming year for me as a
as a linebacker because I adapted, you know the role
(11:26):
of I don't care what I do. I'm just gonna
play the win, you know. And we had the other linebackers,
and you know, we were getting a lot of recognition,
and I felt like for myself, I was a guy
that kind of did some of the dirty work as
an inside linebacker, and I was just like, you know what,
(11:47):
I just want to win. I don't care, I don't
care what. I don't care if I make one tackle.
I just want to make sure that I helped our
team win. And that was my attitude going in. And
I really felt that we were just we're gonna win
this thing. We're gonna win. My mindset was ready to
win it. And I remember just walking out and just
knowing that you're the only show in the world that
(12:10):
everybody's watching you. I mean all across the world, even
the casual fan, even fans that are not really you know,
even people who are not really fans, They're gonna watch you.
And I'm from a small town and I just wanted
to represent my small town, my mother and father in
a great way. And it was glorious. Man. I had
a great time. I was a little nervous when it
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first started. I think I messed up the first play.
That's when Emmy got the twenty one yard run and
he just kind of settled down, and it was something
that I did in my backyard, you know, a thousand
times playing that Super Bowl and a settled down. Well,
speaking of your experience in the Super Bowl against Dallas,
you had one of the more memorable plays when you
(12:52):
took down all the favored Troy Aikman. Yeah. It was
a play called closy result Why And as I as
I called a player, I was like, yes, I'm about
to make him big play. And as we went through it,
it's really the defensive end is going all the way
(13:12):
to the A gap. I'm going into the B gap,
and the outside linebacker is going to the outside and
it would usually confuse a lot of people a lot
of times. And I went through and I'm wide open
and I'm like, I'm going to get up. And the
thing was Emmett saw me at the last minute. He
came to cut me, and I saw him, and I
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kind of just jumped over and I reached for Troy
and I was able to kind of with him and
he went down. But I I tell people if if Emmitt,
it was actually Emmit making a really good play, because
if he didn't, I probably would knocked Troy into the
next week I mean, I had a bead on him,
but it was a great play. I thought that was
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the play that was going to turn it around. It
was something that I thought about ever since I was
a little kid eleven years old, about making a big play,
and once Coast Labot called that playoff, was like, I'm
about to make a big play. It's about to happen.
And it did. It didn't happen the way I thought,
but it was kind of dramatic in a lot of
ways because I had to jump over. I kind of
(14:16):
swiped at him and he kind of failed. And it
was just a big play, man, just and I thought like, yes,
you know, this is a place it's going to turn around.
I even thought like, man, I might even get the MVP,
but that's another story. We didn't quite get there. But
it was a big play, man. I really enjoyed that place.
One of my favorite plays. You finish your career with
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Seattle and Philly, but here you sit wearing a Pittsburgh
Steelers shirt and it's just a matter of you can
take the guy out of Pittsburgh, but you can never
take the Pittsburgh out of the guy. Exactly. Once a Steeler,
always a Steeler. It's just you know, it's just a
matter of a matter of fact. It's just the law.
(14:59):
You know. Once you once you come to Pittsburgh, no
matter where else you've been, you're a Steeler. There's something
special here. They do it a little differently, you know.
And you got to credit the Rooney family for that,
for that leadership up top. And then we had a
great coach and Bill Kawer that also had that vision.
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And as players we kind of took that. You really,
I mean like you really took it seriously about being
in the Black and Girl Like. Even though I played
for other teams which us a good experience, is nothing
like being a Pittsburgh Stealer. Lavana is great to sit
down and chat with you, so great to get together
once again. Yeah, you're such a great player and a
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great individual and a great person and human being. You're
you're a credit to the Steelers in the entire city
of Pittsburgh. Thank you so much. I mean, I am
so humble to be thought of it that way. I am.
I never really thought of myself as a big time
player or anything like that, but to be said that
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man lebron Kirk was one of the best linebackers ever
played at Pittsburgh. That's saying a whole lot. So you know,
the fans, you guys are beautiful, Rooney family, they're beautiful.
I'm just glad. I was just I mean, I was
just blessed to be here. And thank you guys for
interviewing me. It was great talking to you again. My pleasure.
Thanks all right,
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