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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome Steelers Nation. I'm stand Savant's my great pleasure to
welcome in a member of the Steelers all time team.
John Cole, fourth time Super Bowl champion. John, great to
see thank you, great to see you. Third round draft
pick out of Oklahoma State, A country boy, if you will.
I'm wondering what your thoughts were when you got drafted
(00:34):
and had to go to the big city of Pittsburgh. Yeah,
it's not what most people think. I again, grew up
in Oklahoma. I had never been east of Little Rock, Arkansas.
We played the University of Arkansas there and my mother
was from Pittsburgh, Kansas. My sophomore year we played uh
University of Oklahoma. They had an All American nose tackle
(00:57):
and we beat BEATOU and hadn't beaten him in a
few years. And and so that was a Saturday game.
On Tuesday, I got a phone call and a letter
from the San Diego Chargers. I'm a sophomore. So over
the next three years, we didn't have they didn't have
the combines. I had heard from every single team except
the Pittsburgh Steelers. And so as he got closer to
(01:18):
draft day, people would say, where do you think you're going,
and I would tell all I knows that won't be
going to Pittsburgh. And I had told enough people that,
and I thought the draft was like choosing upsides in
the backyard. I'll take stand, I'll take Craig will Flee, Okay,
I'll take John Cobe. And the whole thing would be
done in an hour. And so when the early afternoon
(01:42):
hat came and I hadn't been drafted, I mean nobody
called me. I thought it was over star. I was
really disappointed to begin with. And I walked, so I
think I'll go work out. So I walk in the
dressing room and there's all my friends, half of my teammates,
college teammates, and they're around the phone and it's just
too perfect. So they're up to something, and I said,
(02:05):
you got a phone call? I said, who is it?
They said, to Pittsburgh Steelers, somebody named Rooney. I'm going, yeah, right,
because I told him I'm not going to Pittsburgh. So then, uh,
you have to have been around Mr Rooney, Mr Rooney,
and and he's unflappable and he goes John as the
way he talked to him, and I said, at first,
(02:27):
I said yes, sir, and he said, you know, he
produced himself and said that I'd just been drafted by
the Steelers, and I go, yeah, right, you know, and
so he said, we're really excited to have you, and
are you excited to becoming to Pittsburgh And I said no,
And I was just so rude because I was I thought,
(02:48):
this is such a terrible thing, you know, because I
was disappointed walking in there, because I been for the
last three or four years just thinking ever since San Diego,
this is what I want to do. I want I'm
going to get a chance to play for pro football
and my dream was crashed, and so I didn't think
this was funny. And so then that night, nobody else called,
(03:10):
and so I thought, I'll turned on the news and
see where my friends are going. And so the news
comes on the sports and this is in Oklahoma City,
and I remember they say Eddie hitting the University of Oklahoma,
going to the Baltimore coach John cob going to the
Pittsburgh Steelers, Terry Brown, my roommate, going to Minnesota. And
(03:31):
I was like, oh my gosh, that was really the
Pittsburgh Steelers. That was the real So the next day
I called like at seven in the morning, and Mr
Rooney he's just laughing. He thinks it's funny. And uh
when and here's the here's here's what makes this right
(03:52):
now special because he was there at Saint Vincent College
and when I got another car, they picked me up
at the airport for was time my step foot sentence
in college, and he was there to shake my hand
and welcome me. And and then I got to play
thirteen years. And then Coach ten and Mr Rooney would
(04:13):
come into the meetings. And when he walked into meetings
fourteen fifteen years later, I said, Mr Mooney, I am
so sorry that I was so rude to you. And
he would laugh, you know, and and and so that's
why I appreciate the question because it really characterizes the
ownership of the Steelers. And I was thinking about it yesterday.
(04:36):
I think I mean Chuck no count, Bill Kauer and
uh my Tom, Mike Tom and Tackle Trap. Yeah, three
classic guys that have been there since nineteen sixty nine
when Chuck came. That right there says something about the Moneys.
And of course the ownership is still in the family,
(04:57):
from the chief to Dan and now to artist second. Um,
you were part of the beginning of the renaissance. You
drafted the same year as Joe Green. Uh, Terry hand
Ready came in that draft. LC came in that draft.
And I'm wondering if not in sixty nine, bad year
one and thirteen, but in the subsequent years, John and
(05:18):
you became a starter in seventy one, did you sense
that something special was being built there? I did, because, Uh,
it looked at you're right. One in thirteen and by
the way, we won. We beat Detroit be Detroit the
first game, and I thought, this is cool, this pro football.
All I did was l one on the kickoff. And
(05:40):
a couple of weeks later we're playing, uh, Green Bay
and Ray Nitzky right there in front of me. I
watched Ray Knitsky. I'm in the fifth grade, so early on,
you know, we're at that time we're one and four,
but it's okay, well, but then we're one in thirteen.
But Chuck never wavered. That's that was Chuck. No, he
(06:02):
never wavered. He he had a plan, he stick was
stuck with it, and he just kept building. And he
must have known the Rooneys and the type of people
they were, and uh, and each year. You know you
could see, Uh, Chuck, doesn't you know the game has
changed from a game of Chuck being a technician. Two.
(06:28):
We were more like Dallas Cowboys used to be. You know,
it's it's a chess match with coaches are going to
put people in all kinds of formations and moving around
and hope somebody makes a mistake. And it's complicated. The
gaming complicated. It's not complicated. And Chuck understood that and
he still got to get back to basics. You know,
I still think of Chuck no isms, whatever it takes,
(06:51):
get back to basics, and that's what he stuck with.
Your offensive line was so efficient and so good and
deserve more Pro Bowl recognition. But I'm wondering because you
were basically together and Chuck ran that intricate trap game. Uh,
that cohesion was that just something natural to develop over time?
(07:11):
And how significant was that in the great running teams
and running backs that you had? Boy, that is thank you.
That's a that's a great question, and I think it
comes back to what I was trying to say, Well
and go, uh, today's game. Now they'll do their version
of zone blocking, but essentially everything is is the man
(07:38):
in front of you when you're Chris Crawl. Not only
did we trapped, but we ran tackle traps. So that's
a different read for the linebackers. One of my favorite
pitchers that people sent me is we ran a tackle
trap in Cleveland and Dick Ambrose, the middle linebacker, is
thinking Sam's poem, Sam's blocking back and so there and
(08:00):
he discounts as a trap. He just goes running through
this open whole thing. You get a chance to ear
hold somebody. And that's what the game's about for for
alignment is if we're really nice guys, So if we
can hear hold somebody, you know, bang and uh. And
then there's this picture. It's in the infield, and then
there's Rocky who you know played all those years and
never made a cut and that you know, there's Rocky
(08:25):
got the ball, and and there's it's on the infield
and the gravels for flying up and uh and so yeah,
that that whole trapping scheme. Jerry Mullins, Sam Davis, Uh
uh those guys Steve Courson, but Jerry Mullins and Sam Davis,
(08:46):
they have PhD In running traps. And I remember when
I first started, I never ran traps and I'm just matting.
My nose is just getting smashed. And and Sam said,
one day, John, you got the wrong target, you know.
And it's like shooting trap. You know, if you're shooting
at the bird, you'll never hit it. You got to
(09:07):
shoot in front of it. And when you're trapping, you know,
you want to trap the guy's hip. You don't hit
the shoulder pads. But if you're looking at the hip,
you hit the shoulder pads. And Sam said, one day,
look at his knee, trapp his knee tried that man
hit the hip blows people. And that's our term. We
want to blow things up, you know, because you don't
want to push, you want to blow it up. And
(09:29):
that's what traps allow you to do. I remember that
run by Rocky and Cleveland. Never forget it, you're right
or flat foot, and he made it though he made it, John.
A lot of people think that the Steelers came of
age with the Immaculate Reception game, the greatest play perhaps
Super Bowl history. But I'm wondering if winning the championship
(09:51):
and beating the Raiders um after they had had that
great game with Miami and Chuck stood in front you
guys said the best football team is right here in
this room. I'm wondering if that indeed wasn't the lynchpin
for the dynasty. I think you're I think again, you're
you're You're right on track, um because um yeah, because
(10:16):
you know, we wanted to play physical football. I think
the Raiders were a physical football team, and you need
that's what's fun about football. You know, it's not it's
not a negotiation thing, you know. And I think again,
what we were talking about in the last few minutes
is you want to go out and uh. And when
I say stablished, this is a Chucken quote. You want
(10:39):
to establish your will against your opponent. And that's what's
the beautiful thing about football. Uh. And the Bible talks
about the word authority, and essentially, if I can translate
that authority is is what you do on a football
field from snap to whistle. You're that now that you
(10:59):
at for the game, You put on your and you
woke out and shake hands with everybody. But on that
football field, you want to establish your will, your authority,
and what better place to do it than the clan Raiders.
When you do it, you know, Dallas again, they wanted
to fool you. Their fans go, yea, our fans are
just like falling out of the stands and just and
(11:23):
and the whole. I saw a uniform. I saw a
shirt the other day. It just was so cool and
it said, uh, and Pittsburgh football is not a game,
and the back it said it's way alife. And and
so playing the Raiders established that way alife thing, you know.
And I think you're right on with that. This is
(11:45):
like ask you which of your children is your favorite?
But of the four Super Bowl victories, do you have
a favorite? For whatever reason? I kind of developed that yes, Uh,
the first one obviously, we you know we're playing never
done this before, you're playing in the Super Bowl. Remember thinking, uh,
(12:09):
my little hometown of Wassa, Oklahoma, we had sixty seven
kids and are graduating class, thinking, gee, it's pretty good.
I bet some of those people watching this game. But
the third So we won two super Bowls and then
we were in the playoffs but didn't make it to
the Super Bowl. And then we go back to the
(12:29):
Super Bowl against Dallas, and and Dallas was the returning
defending Super Bowl champion for that what's that? Super Bowl
thirteen and Harvey Martin and Randy White were the m
vps from that Super Bowl year they beat Denver. They right,
they beat Denver, and and so there was typically Sam
(12:51):
and I could kind of slide in under the radar,
you know, ready for a game, and all the tension
was on Stalworth and Swanee and and Brad didn't Franco,
but there was a lot of because those two guys
were m vps the year before and they were having
a great year in the playoffs this year, and so, uh,
(13:11):
people like yourself were actually talking to us before the game, uh,
you know, and uh and uh so the night before
the game, they had recorded Harvey Martin on the Johnny
Carson Show or some show. But anyway, so, I mean,
I'm really slacked myself into my hotel room and my
(13:33):
wife's sitting there, and so they played this, you know,
uh interview with Harvey Martin asking him if he was
going to be m v P again and this kind
of stuff. And so I'm watching it and I want
to turn it off because as I'm watching it, you know, uh,
you know, that kind of stuff is going on, and
(13:54):
my wife's not helping. She's going did you hear that
did you hear what he said? Did you? He just
said he was gonna yeah, And so, uh, you know,
watch the film. I don't have to say anything. The
results are on the film. Um and uh so just
from uh yeah. And the first player of the game,
I can't remember any I can't remember any plays. The
(14:17):
first player the game was nineteen straight. That's Franco made
seven seven yards. Second place. We already talked about it.
Ninety two tackle trap. We ran the tackle traps because
Chuck would call the first two plays of a game,
so you knew you were ready. And so the first
two plays I had the opportunity to make up a
(14:39):
key block. First one was nineteen straight Franco Rocky leading.
Second one is that ninety two tackle trap and boom
got to blow that up and and first down, and
that's set the tempo. And so I guess to answer
your question, uh, you know what you want to contribute,
no matter what you're doing, you know you gotta say,
(15:00):
am I contributing to this cause? And and so that
was that was special in that way. Can't spell cat
without spotting the c A. That was another. Yeah, I
got a close with this, John. You alluded to it
earlier about Steeler fans and just the confluence of Chuck,
the players, the city, the fans. You've spent your post
(15:24):
career in the Pittsburgh area. Was it all, like you said,
the perfect storm for you, Steelers, Pittsburgh, Western Pennsylvania. So
I was. I have three sons. I'm really blessed, and
uh my middle son coaches at West Virginia University and
he's really into whitewater kayaking now. And so we had
(15:48):
kayaked the middle Fork of the Salmon River and I
do it upside down, not on purpose, just bagging my
head on the rocks. So we're coming back from that trip,
and uh, our second calls, I think we're probably in Wyoming.
We're coming back from that trip, and I'm just saying,
thank you Lord. I got through this river again. And
(16:10):
he told me about this weekend and and and they
call it honor. They call it honor and what they
can't what, Yeah, it's such an honor. And I'm in
the truck with my son and I did I just
kind of somewhere in Wyoming when he told me. I
(16:32):
just thought about the fans, the coaches. Uh, I had
two best offensive line coaches ever Dan Rhoda, Kobe, Rolly Dodge.
They were technicians, they were biomcary. Again, it was a
perfect storm. I had teammates Sam David's, Jerry Mullins, uh,
Larry Brown, Larry Brown, how about this our people story.
(16:55):
Larry Brown close grips bench press with his thumbs touching.
Just we had this group of guys that were just amazing.
H
Welcome Steelers Nation. I'm stand Savant's my great pleasure to
welcome in a member of the Steelers all time team.
John Cole, fourth time Super Bowl champion. John, great to
see thank you, great to see you. Third round draft
pick out of Oklahoma State, A country boy, if you will.
I'm wondering what your thoughts were when you got drafted
(00:34):
and had to go to the big city of Pittsburgh. Yeah,
it's not what most people think. I again, grew up
in Oklahoma. I had never been east of Little Rock, Arkansas.
We played the University of Arkansas there and my mother
was from Pittsburgh, Kansas. My sophomore year we played uh
University of Oklahoma. They had an All American nose tackle
(00:57):
and we beat BEATOU and hadn't beaten him in a
few years. And and so that was a Saturday game.
On Tuesday, I got a phone call and a letter
from the San Diego Chargers. I'm a sophomore. So over
the next three years, we didn't have they didn't have
the combines. I had heard from every single team except
the Pittsburgh Steelers. And so as he got closer to
(01:18):
draft day, people would say, where do you think you're going,
and I would tell all I knows that won't be
going to Pittsburgh. And I had told enough people that,
and I thought the draft was like choosing upsides in
the backyard. I'll take stand, I'll take Craig will Flee, Okay,
I'll take John Cobe. And the whole thing would be
done in an hour. And so when the early afternoon
(01:42):
hat came and I hadn't been drafted, I mean nobody
called me. I thought it was over star. I was
really disappointed to begin with. And I walked, so I
think I'll go work out. So I walk in the
dressing room and there's all my friends, half of my teammates,
college teammates, and they're around the phone and it's just
too perfect. So they're up to something, and I said,
(02:05):
you got a phone call? I said, who is it?
They said, to Pittsburgh Steelers, somebody named Rooney. I'm going, yeah, right,
because I told him I'm not going to Pittsburgh. So then, uh,
you have to have been around Mr Rooney, Mr Rooney,
and and he's unflappable and he goes John as the
way he talked to him, and I said, at first,
(02:27):
I said yes, sir, and he said, you know, he
produced himself and said that I'd just been drafted by
the Steelers, and I go, yeah, right, you know, and
so he said, we're really excited to have you, and
are you excited to becoming to Pittsburgh And I said no,
And I was just so rude because I was I thought,
(02:48):
this is such a terrible thing, you know, because I
was disappointed walking in there, because I been for the
last three or four years just thinking ever since San Diego,
this is what I want to do. I want I'm
going to get a chance to play for pro football
and my dream was crashed, and so I didn't think
this was funny. And so then that night, nobody else called,
(03:10):
and so I thought, I'll turned on the news and
see where my friends are going. And so the news
comes on the sports and this is in Oklahoma City,
and I remember they say Eddie hitting the University of Oklahoma,
going to the Baltimore coach John cob going to the
Pittsburgh Steelers, Terry Brown, my roommate, going to Minnesota. And
(03:31):
I was like, oh my gosh, that was really the
Pittsburgh Steelers. That was the real So the next day
I called like at seven in the morning, and Mr
Rooney he's just laughing. He thinks it's funny. And uh
when and here's the here's here's what makes this right
(03:52):
now special because he was there at Saint Vincent College
and when I got another car, they picked me up
at the airport for was time my step foot sentence
in college, and he was there to shake my hand
and welcome me. And and then I got to play
thirteen years. And then Coach ten and Mr Rooney would
(04:13):
come into the meetings. And when he walked into meetings
fourteen fifteen years later, I said, Mr Mooney, I am
so sorry that I was so rude to you. And
he would laugh, you know, and and and so that's
why I appreciate the question because it really characterizes the
ownership of the Steelers. And I was thinking about it yesterday.
(04:36):
I think I mean Chuck no count, Bill Kauer and
uh my Tom, Mike Tom and Tackle Trap. Yeah, three
classic guys that have been there since nineteen sixty nine
when Chuck came. That right there says something about the Moneys.
And of course the ownership is still in the family,
(04:57):
from the chief to Dan and now to artist second. Um,
you were part of the beginning of the renaissance. You
drafted the same year as Joe Green. Uh, Terry hand
Ready came in that draft. LC came in that draft.
And I'm wondering if not in sixty nine, bad year
one and thirteen, but in the subsequent years, John and
(05:18):
you became a starter in seventy one, did you sense
that something special was being built there? I did, because, Uh,
it looked at you're right. One in thirteen and by
the way, we won. We beat Detroit be Detroit the
first game, and I thought, this is cool, this pro football.
All I did was l one on the kickoff. And
(05:40):
a couple of weeks later we're playing, uh, Green Bay
and Ray Nitzky right there in front of me. I
watched Ray Knitsky. I'm in the fifth grade, so early on,
you know, we're at that time we're one and four,
but it's okay, well, but then we're one in thirteen.
But Chuck never wavered. That's that was Chuck. No, he
(06:02):
never wavered. He he had a plan, he stick was
stuck with it, and he just kept building. And he
must have known the Rooneys and the type of people
they were, and uh, and each year. You know you
could see, Uh, Chuck, doesn't you know the game has
changed from a game of Chuck being a technician. Two.
(06:28):
We were more like Dallas Cowboys used to be. You know,
it's it's a chess match with coaches are going to
put people in all kinds of formations and moving around
and hope somebody makes a mistake. And it's complicated. The
gaming complicated. It's not complicated. And Chuck understood that and
he still got to get back to basics. You know,
I still think of Chuck no isms, whatever it takes,
(06:51):
get back to basics, and that's what he stuck with.
Your offensive line was so efficient and so good and
deserve more Pro Bowl recognition. But I'm wondering because you
were basically together and Chuck ran that intricate trap game. Uh,
that cohesion was that just something natural to develop over time?
(07:11):
And how significant was that in the great running teams
and running backs that you had? Boy, that is thank you.
That's a that's a great question, and I think it
comes back to what I was trying to say, Well
and go, uh, today's game. Now they'll do their version
of zone blocking, but essentially everything is is the man
(07:38):
in front of you when you're Chris Crawl. Not only
did we trapped, but we ran tackle traps. So that's
a different read for the linebackers. One of my favorite
pitchers that people sent me is we ran a tackle
trap in Cleveland and Dick Ambrose, the middle linebacker, is
thinking Sam's poem, Sam's blocking back and so there and
(08:00):
he discounts as a trap. He just goes running through
this open whole thing. You get a chance to ear
hold somebody. And that's what the game's about for for
alignment is if we're really nice guys, So if we
can hear hold somebody, you know, bang and uh. And
then there's this picture. It's in the infield, and then
there's Rocky who you know played all those years and
never made a cut and that you know, there's Rocky
(08:25):
got the ball, and and there's it's on the infield
and the gravels for flying up and uh and so yeah,
that that whole trapping scheme. Jerry Mullins, Sam Davis, Uh
uh those guys Steve Courson, but Jerry Mullins and Sam Davis,
(08:46):
they have PhD In running traps. And I remember when
I first started, I never ran traps and I'm just matting.
My nose is just getting smashed. And and Sam said,
one day, John, you got the wrong target, you know.
And it's like shooting trap. You know, if you're shooting
at the bird, you'll never hit it. You got to
(09:07):
shoot in front of it. And when you're trapping, you know,
you want to trap the guy's hip. You don't hit
the shoulder pads. But if you're looking at the hip,
you hit the shoulder pads. And Sam said, one day,
look at his knee, trapp his knee tried that man
hit the hip blows people. And that's our term. We
want to blow things up, you know, because you don't
want to push, you want to blow it up. And
(09:29):
that's what traps allow you to do. I remember that
run by Rocky and Cleveland. Never forget it, you're right
or flat foot, and he made it though he made it, John.
A lot of people think that the Steelers came of
age with the Immaculate Reception game, the greatest play perhaps
Super Bowl history. But I'm wondering if winning the championship
(09:51):
and beating the Raiders um after they had had that
great game with Miami and Chuck stood in front you
guys said the best football team is right here in
this room. I'm wondering if that indeed wasn't the lynchpin
for the dynasty. I think you're I think again, you're
you're You're right on track, um because um yeah, because
(10:16):
you know, we wanted to play physical football. I think
the Raiders were a physical football team, and you need
that's what's fun about football. You know, it's not it's
not a negotiation thing, you know. And I think again,
what we were talking about in the last few minutes
is you want to go out and uh. And when
I say stablished, this is a Chucken quote. You want
(10:39):
to establish your will against your opponent. And that's what's
the beautiful thing about football. Uh. And the Bible talks
about the word authority, and essentially, if I can translate
that authority is is what you do on a football
field from snap to whistle. You're that now that you
(10:59):
at for the game, You put on your and you
woke out and shake hands with everybody. But on that
football field, you want to establish your will, your authority,
and what better place to do it than the clan Raiders.
When you do it, you know, Dallas again, they wanted
to fool you. Their fans go, yea, our fans are
just like falling out of the stands and just and
(11:23):
and the whole. I saw a uniform. I saw a
shirt the other day. It just was so cool and
it said, uh, and Pittsburgh football is not a game,
and the back it said it's way alife. And and
so playing the Raiders established that way alife thing, you know.
And I think you're right on with that. This is
(11:45):
like ask you which of your children is your favorite?
But of the four Super Bowl victories, do you have
a favorite? For whatever reason? I kind of developed that yes, Uh,
the first one obviously, we you know we're playing never
done this before, you're playing in the Super Bowl. Remember thinking, uh,
(12:09):
my little hometown of Wassa, Oklahoma, we had sixty seven
kids and are graduating class, thinking, gee, it's pretty good.
I bet some of those people watching this game. But
the third So we won two super Bowls and then
we were in the playoffs but didn't make it to
the Super Bowl. And then we go back to the
(12:29):
Super Bowl against Dallas, and and Dallas was the returning
defending Super Bowl champion for that what's that? Super Bowl
thirteen and Harvey Martin and Randy White were the m
vps from that Super Bowl year they beat Denver. They right,
they beat Denver, and and so there was typically Sam
(12:51):
and I could kind of slide in under the radar,
you know, ready for a game, and all the tension
was on Stalworth and Swanee and and Brad didn't Franco,
but there was a lot of because those two guys
were m vps the year before and they were having
a great year in the playoffs this year, and so, uh,
(13:11):
people like yourself were actually talking to us before the game, uh,
you know, and uh and uh so the night before
the game, they had recorded Harvey Martin on the Johnny
Carson Show or some show. But anyway, so, I mean,
I'm really slacked myself into my hotel room and my
(13:33):
wife's sitting there, and so they played this, you know,
uh interview with Harvey Martin asking him if he was
going to be m v P again and this kind
of stuff. And so I'm watching it and I want
to turn it off because as I'm watching it, you know, uh,
you know, that kind of stuff is going on, and
(13:54):
my wife's not helping. She's going did you hear that
did you hear what he said? Did you? He just
said he was gonna yeah, And so, uh, you know,
watch the film. I don't have to say anything. The
results are on the film. Um and uh so just
from uh yeah. And the first player of the game,
I can't remember any I can't remember any plays. The
(14:17):
first player the game was nineteen straight. That's Franco made
seven seven yards. Second place. We already talked about it.
Ninety two tackle trap. We ran the tackle traps because
Chuck would call the first two plays of a game,
so you knew you were ready. And so the first
two plays I had the opportunity to make up a
(14:39):
key block. First one was nineteen straight Franco Rocky leading.
Second one is that ninety two tackle trap and boom
got to blow that up and and first down, and
that's set the tempo. And so I guess to answer
your question, uh, you know what you want to contribute,
no matter what you're doing, you know you gotta say,
(15:00):
am I contributing to this cause? And and so that
was that was special in that way. Can't spell cat
without spotting the c A. That was another. Yeah, I
got a close with this, John. You alluded to it
earlier about Steeler fans and just the confluence of Chuck,
the players, the city, the fans. You've spent your post
(15:24):
career in the Pittsburgh area. Was it all, like you said,
the perfect storm for you, Steelers, Pittsburgh, Western Pennsylvania. So
I was. I have three sons. I'm really blessed, and
uh my middle son coaches at West Virginia University and
he's really into whitewater kayaking now. And so we had
(15:48):
kayaked the middle Fork of the Salmon River and I
do it upside down, not on purpose, just bagging my
head on the rocks. So we're coming back from that trip,
and uh, our second calls, I think we're probably in Wyoming.
We're coming back from that trip, and I'm just saying,
thank you Lord. I got through this river again. And
(16:10):
he told me about this weekend and and and they
call it honor. They call it honor and what they
can't what, Yeah, it's such an honor. And I'm in
the truck with my son and I did I just
kind of somewhere in Wyoming when he told me. I
(16:32):
just thought about the fans, the coaches. Uh, I had
two best offensive line coaches ever Dan Rhoda, Kobe, Rolly Dodge.
They were technicians, they were biomcary. Again, it was a
perfect storm. I had teammates Sam David's, Jerry Mullins, uh,
Larry Brown, Larry Brown, how about this our people story.
(16:55):
Larry Brown close grips bench press with his thumbs touching.
Just we had this group of guys that were just amazing.
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