New statistics show basketball's unprecedented growth in New Zealand has continued, and the sport is tipped to become the most popular secondary school sport in the country by 2026.
Basketball participation has surged by 61% since the year 2000, while more traditional sports like netball, rugby, and cricket have seen a decline in numbers.
But it's estimated New Zealand is around 500 basketball courts short to cope with demand.
Wellington Saints CEO Jordan Mills joined Adam Cooper to provide an insight into the sport's growth —and court availability— in the Wellington region.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From grassroots to gold medals.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's the All Sport Breakfast with ruther Than and Bon
Toyota and King Toyota on us to.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
ZB seventeen to nine here on the Ill Sport Breakfast.
So the sport of basketball is tip to become the
most popular secondary school sport in New Zealand within the
next year or two. By twenty twenty six, they reckon.
The playing numbers are huge as many of the other
traditional sports are seeing at acline and I think for
everyone involved in basketball that will come as no surprise.
But there is a concern over courts being available for
(00:33):
everyone that wants to play basketball being able to with
court availability and things. So I wanted to get a
Wellington perspective on this. Jordan Mills is the CEO of
the Wellington Saints here in the Capitol. He's with us now. Jordan,
good morning to you. I guess to start with these
stats around basketball will be coming as no surprise to
you as someone who's heavily involved in the sport that
(00:54):
it really is continually growing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Good morning? And well, look with this amount of how
many the numbers of people playing our game, comparing it
with five or ten or fifteen years ago, it's just
gone crazy. It's hard to put a finger on the
nose of what exactly the reason for it. Maybe it's
a little bit of Steven Adams in the NBA. Maybe
it's a little bit of you know, the social media
(01:20):
age of so much stuff been on there from basketball
around the world. You know, maybe we play a small
part with the Saints, maybe it's the Breakers, but you know,
all collaboratively is making our game grow at a level
that's never been seen before, and it's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Do you think it's parents telling their kids to check
out basketball or it's kids seeing that stuff online that
you mentioned and getting encouraged by their mates to give
it a go because I imagine a lot of the
top basketball is now their parents weren't basketballers as young people.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I think it's definitely, you know, one of the reasons
for it. I think another reason for it is the
indoor factor. I think that people don't speak about the fact.
You can say, your your child or your kids to
any but indoor basketball facility doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Of the weather.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
You know, rugby rugby soccer into a lesser knepple with
a lot of help or offerings for kids, which which
we don't. I think that's a big part with the
with the parents with different sports. I think a pure
good example of that is we have the young man
Troy plum Tree. His father was Next All Black assistant
coach and current rugby coach, and his brothers play rugby
(02:26):
and he chose the basketball route and they're doing really
well that So I think that's a case of the
point for appearance with no basketball experience, whatever young child
that's chosen.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And in terms of that, the talent that you're seeing
comes through the schools, and obviously when there's an increase
of numbers, there's obviously probably more options for you to
choose from, including some of those young guys like Troy,
like Corey Lovell from HEBS who's also got a stint
with the college programme in the United States. Are you
noticing that there are sort of genuinely more choices for
yourselves and other NBL franchises coming from the schools.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Definitely, you look across the bo Obviously, the New Zealand
seventeens had at a record finish at a World Cup
this year with fourth, which has never been done before
in an age tournament in a world stage. So that's
showing that our youth teams are really improving and we're
kind of reaping the rewards out of that, which is
a great thing in the NBA. Is so with every
(03:19):
team having some capable seventeen eighteen year olds that are
playing minutes every game. From a Wellington perspective, obviously, last
year Warnington College won Secondary Schools National Tournament, which had
never been done before for Wastington College and the first
national championship since two thousand and eight. We're sat pat'stown
won it, so it was a long time between drinks
for our region and this year they finished fourth, so
(03:42):
two really strong finishes from Wenington College. So it's awesome
to see.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
How are people able to be kept into basketball once
they finished high school if they're not going to that
top level you know around Wellington, what is sort of
the club scene, like the social scene light to keep
people involved in the sport if they're not you know,
spending there at their time chasing their dreams.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, good question. There's lots of options now more so
than ever. There's a midweek games at Akotunny and Kilberni
where they have Tuesday Wednesday Thursday nights with the variants
of levels of play, like they have an A B
in a C grade PREMI yere kind of club competition
which I compared to a jubilee or hard and cart
type rugby is on a Saturday afternoon at Ako Tunny
(04:26):
there's Walsh Nash from multiple leagues as well on on
weekends for kids and and and adults. So there's there's
more social competitive social basketball than ever as well with
you know, Montain Basket Association at Akotunny have record numbers
of entrants that want to play, so you know, from
an adult perspective, it's people who are playing more than
(04:46):
ever as well, which is cool to see.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, great to hear. And in terms of the women's game,
obviously you know the Saints, I know have a little
bit of an affiliation with with with the Tokomana with
Queens and the women's toe Hea League. And you look
at the female stats of participation at high school sixty
one percent basketball is up since the year two thousand,
down eleven percent. Again, you know how close are those
increases do you think in the women's guys what we're
(05:09):
seeing in the men's.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, look it's the same thing, I think for all
the same reasons at a youth level, the boys games
growing and the girls games growing, which is amazing to
see as well. You know, we've seen a lot of
correlation between nipball and basketball, even at the senior level,
with earlier done for instance, playing for the Southern Hihor
and the and the Tawihi and the Southern Steel Tactics
(05:33):
and the and the Netball and we've had that here
the Queen's Paris Mason, who played the Queen's last year
that isn't playing this year because of our civil films,
but has played both at the senior level and it
has done you know, you think twenty years ago when
it was the Donald of Hagens of the world that
was playing both. But it's happening more, which is which
(05:55):
is really good to see that. You know, it's it's
a benefit for our sport into both gympers that are
participating more.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, and interesting, Jordan looking at the numbers, because we're
saying basketball is up sixty one percent in terms of
player numbers at high schools since the year two thousand.
Neet bore down eleven percent, rugby union down seventeen percent,
cricket down fifty percent. Administrators of those sports are probably
looking at that with a bit of concern. But how
do you think basketball can maintain the growth or at
(06:23):
least hold the numbers you have now in the sport
and avoid sort of any big drop offs.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, Look, we've had that issue in the past where
you know, people finish high school where they stop playing
at a certain level. So I think, you know, a
lot's been set in the media over the past little
while around the facilities or capability to play basketball easier,
and there's a lot enough facilities or there's a lot
enough courts for kids, adults, anyone to play. So you know,
(06:53):
I think that's a big focus for not all around
the country to but also us in Wonnington to build
more courts. We hear the Saints of a mission in
twenty twenty five with some of our key partners such
as Mills, Albert and Toyota and Peck and Save to
build more courts in our in our region, whether it
be at schools or or or outdoor bouncill facilities, because
(07:15):
we think that's really a really good opportunity to get
more people playing and more playing and playing more constantly
you know, whether it be at school on a Tuesday
afternoon or on a say, Sunday afternoon where you can
take you kids down to the school and play outdoors
as well. So look getting more facilities and more more
and outdoor facilities and opportunities to play. I think is
(07:35):
a really important uh thing for New Zealand and Wenington
to look at continue our sport growing.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, and obviously that has been one of the issues
highlighted with you from Basketball New Zealand and the discussion
during the week. From a Wellington specific perspective, how how
bad is that problem of court access to everyone that
wants a court? We know that we see our coutungui
often very busy. Is there an issue with court access
and Wellington at the moment for everyone wants.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It one hundred percent? I think we would be up
there with the hardest of places to be able to play,
especially indoors. Opland is probably a step ahead of us
with a lot of specific basketball facilities, which is they're
really lucky to have their capability. But yeah, you look
here outside of the Ako Tungyes, the Walter Nashes and
(08:20):
the Tarupa Arenas, there's not a lot of great facilities
that are that are available for anyone to go play
or even you know, we we we train at Acho
Tungny with the Saints, but it's it's often difficult with
all the other sports that happened in there as well.
So look, we definitely have a shortage of indoor and
outdoor facilities. So you know, hopefully over the coming year
(08:43):
years there there's there's more opportunities and more facilities that
people can play in.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And you mentioned some of the private partners that are
obviously already very generous with basketball and other sports around
Wellington that are do you say leading the charge and
that these are new court options? Is that the way
to go, That's the way to sort of known get
on the front foot with us, is just getting those
those private partners involved.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I looked at my belief and that's our mission
is to be able to build more courts and obviously
that comes with funds and dollars and cents, so they
see the vision and the dream, especially at a youth level,
to be able to provide more facilities or hoops and
courts for kids to play it. Which will you know
(09:24):
in the long run, you know, we're not only nothing
us for but it benefits the tend to be able
to play the basketball is such a unique sport where
it's diverse, it's any age, it's worldwide. We're really lucky
and we think if we can build more courts and
better facilities around and you know that don't benefit everybody.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I don't over the figure around the country's five hundred
courts short that's been thrown out. Is there any idea
how much new core, how many new courts over the
few years ahead and Wellington could make a real difference.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Look, I'd be lying to you if I knew the
exact lemple would make a difference. Obviously every court would
make a difference. We're on a mission to build as
many as we can every year. But I think if
you know, outdoor facilities, if there's another ten or fifteen
every year, then that'll make a huge difference. And then
and then the same for indoor. If there's a couple
more indoor facilities that pop up, it's only gonna going
(10:18):
to help, you know, our sport and kids play more.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And just to wrap up, jord of that as an
exciting time over the next couple of weeks for basketball
here in Wellington, with the Breakers coming to town for
the first time, and it's felt like many many years
I think, probably beyond some people's memories. It's been such
a long time. But this is big for basketball in
the city, isn't it. How our ticket sales going for
the big game coming up in a couple of saturdays time.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah's huge obviously our conversation, we've just head along the
growth of our sport. Being able to get the Breakers
to come down and play a game, you know, it's
a huge way for our city. So it's an exciting
time and play against a really high quality Sydney Bangs
team too, so it's going to be, you know, a
huge game. Tickets ours have been great, so we're about
(11:03):
twenty late left ticket sales and we're over seventy percent sold.
You know, typically Wellington is a late walk up crowd
for tickets, so we're hoping that that this big push
over the next couple of weeks will get us to
a sellout. And look, we you know, the Breakers want
to continue doing a game a year here for the future,
(11:24):
so if we could make it a win, then you know,
I think that we'll be able to lock women coming
into to Wellington every year for the next two or
three years, which is super exciting.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, great, Saturday December seven, the game and there are
going to be a few familiar faces to longtime Saints
fans taking to the court across the couple of teams. Jordan,
we're giving away a double pass to the game courtesy
of yourselves, so thanks very much for that. And yeah,
we're not going to give it away easy. We want
to ask a bit of a question that people have
to think about this morning. So yeah, I know you've
(11:53):
you've come up with a question for our listeners this morning, Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
For sure. So the question is for the double pass,
is how many same players will be on the floor
for the Sydney Kings versus Jon Breakers game on the
s TSB.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
There we go. How many Saints players will be taking
the court for the Sydney Kings in that game against
the Breakers in two weeks time. So have a think,
do some googling if you want, text your answer to
nine two ninety two here at Z'DB with your name.
So your answer and your name to nine two nine
two and we will draw that inside the next half
hour here on the show. Jordan, Great to catch up mate.
(12:27):
I know you're busy getting ready for that game and
everything else that comes with looking after a big NBL team,
so appreciate your time mate, and yeah, looking forward to
the next big couple of weeks of hopes here and Wellington.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Thanks much, Wigan. For more from News Talks B listen
live on air or online, and
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcast on iHeartRadio.
From grassroots to gold medals.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's the All Sport Breakfast with ruther Than and Bon
Toyota and King Toyota on us to.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
ZB seventeen to nine here on the Ill Sport Breakfast.
So the sport of basketball is tip to become the
most popular secondary school sport in New Zealand within the
next year or two. By twenty twenty six, they reckon.
The playing numbers are huge as many of the other
traditional sports are seeing at acline and I think for
everyone involved in basketball that will come as no surprise.
But there is a concern over courts being available for
(00:33):
everyone that wants to play basketball being able to with
court availability and things. So I wanted to get a
Wellington perspective on this. Jordan Mills is the CEO of
the Wellington Saints here in the Capitol. He's with us now. Jordan,
good morning to you. I guess to start with these
stats around basketball will be coming as no surprise to
you as someone who's heavily involved in the sport that
(00:54):
it really is continually growing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Good morning? And well, look with this amount of how
many the numbers of people playing our game, comparing it
with five or ten or fifteen years ago, it's just
gone crazy. It's hard to put a finger on the
nose of what exactly the reason for it. Maybe it's
a little bit of Steven Adams in the NBA. Maybe
it's a little bit of you know, the social media
(01:20):
age of so much stuff been on there from basketball
around the world. You know, maybe we play a small
part with the Saints, maybe it's the Breakers, but you know,
all collaboratively is making our game grow at a level
that's never been seen before, and it's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Do you think it's parents telling their kids to check
out basketball or it's kids seeing that stuff online that
you mentioned and getting encouraged by their mates to give
it a go because I imagine a lot of the
top basketball is now their parents weren't basketballers as young people.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I think it's definitely, you know, one of the reasons
for it. I think another reason for it is the
indoor factor. I think that people don't speak about the fact.
You can say, your your child or your kids to
any but indoor basketball facility doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Of the weather.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
You know, rugby rugby soccer into a lesser knepple with
a lot of help or offerings for kids, which which
we don't. I think that's a big part with the
with the parents with different sports. I think a pure
good example of that is we have the young man
Troy plum Tree. His father was Next All Black assistant
coach and current rugby coach, and his brothers play rugby
(02:26):
and he chose the basketball route and they're doing really
well that So I think that's a case of the
point for appearance with no basketball experience, whatever young child
that's chosen.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And in terms of that, the talent that you're seeing
comes through the schools, and obviously when there's an increase
of numbers, there's obviously probably more options for you to
choose from, including some of those young guys like Troy,
like Corey Lovell from HEBS who's also got a stint
with the college programme in the United States. Are you
noticing that there are sort of genuinely more choices for
yourselves and other NBL franchises coming from the schools.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Definitely, you look across the bo Obviously, the New Zealand
seventeens had at a record finish at a World Cup
this year with fourth, which has never been done before
in an age tournament in a world stage. So that's
showing that our youth teams are really improving and we're
kind of reaping the rewards out of that, which is
a great thing in the NBA. Is so with every
(03:19):
team having some capable seventeen eighteen year olds that are
playing minutes every game. From a Wellington perspective, obviously, last
year Warnington College won Secondary Schools National Tournament, which had
never been done before for Wastington College and the first
national championship since two thousand and eight. We're sat pat'stown
won it, so it was a long time between drinks
for our region and this year they finished fourth, so
(03:42):
two really strong finishes from Wenington College. So it's awesome
to see.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
How are people able to be kept into basketball once
they finished high school if they're not going to that
top level you know around Wellington, what is sort of
the club scene, like the social scene light to keep
people involved in the sport if they're not you know,
spending there at their time chasing their dreams.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, good question. There's lots of options now more so
than ever. There's a midweek games at Akotunny and Kilberni
where they have Tuesday Wednesday Thursday nights with the variants
of levels of play, like they have an A B
in a C grade PREMI yere kind of club competition
which I compared to a jubilee or hard and cart
type rugby is on a Saturday afternoon at Ako Tunny
(04:26):
there's Walsh Nash from multiple leagues as well on on
weekends for kids and and and adults. So there's there's
more social competitive social basketball than ever as well with
you know, Montain Basket Association at Akotunny have record numbers
of entrants that want to play, so you know, from
an adult perspective, it's people who are playing more than
(04:46):
ever as well, which is cool to see.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, great to hear. And in terms of the women's game,
obviously you know the Saints, I know have a little
bit of an affiliation with with with the Tokomana with
Queens and the women's toe Hea League. And you look
at the female stats of participation at high school sixty
one percent basketball is up since the year two thousand,
down eleven percent. Again, you know how close are those
increases do you think in the women's guys what we're
(05:09):
seeing in the men's.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, look it's the same thing, I think for all
the same reasons at a youth level, the boys games
growing and the girls games growing, which is amazing to
see as well. You know, we've seen a lot of
correlation between nipball and basketball, even at the senior level,
with earlier done for instance, playing for the Southern Hihor
and the and the Tawihi and the Southern Steel Tactics
(05:33):
and the and the Netball and we've had that here
the Queen's Paris Mason, who played the Queen's last year
that isn't playing this year because of our civil films,
but has played both at the senior level and it
has done you know, you think twenty years ago when
it was the Donald of Hagens of the world that
was playing both. But it's happening more, which is which
(05:55):
is really good to see that. You know, it's it's
a benefit for our sport into both gympers that are
participating more.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, and interesting, Jordan looking at the numbers, because we're
saying basketball is up sixty one percent in terms of
player numbers at high schools since the year two thousand.
Neet bore down eleven percent, rugby union down seventeen percent,
cricket down fifty percent. Administrators of those sports are probably
looking at that with a bit of concern. But how
do you think basketball can maintain the growth or at
(06:23):
least hold the numbers you have now in the sport
and avoid sort of any big drop offs.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, Look, we've had that issue in the past where
you know, people finish high school where they stop playing
at a certain level. So I think, you know, a
lot's been set in the media over the past little
while around the facilities or capability to play basketball easier,
and there's a lot enough facilities or there's a lot
enough courts for kids, adults, anyone to play. So you know,
(06:53):
I think that's a big focus for not all around
the country to but also us in Wonnington to build
more courts. We hear the Saints of a mission in
twenty twenty five with some of our key partners such
as Mills, Albert and Toyota and Peck and Save to
build more courts in our in our region, whether it
be at schools or or or outdoor bouncill facilities, because
(07:15):
we think that's really a really good opportunity to get
more people playing and more playing and playing more constantly
you know, whether it be at school on a Tuesday
afternoon or on a say, Sunday afternoon where you can
take you kids down to the school and play outdoors
as well. So look getting more facilities and more more
and outdoor facilities and opportunities to play. I think is
(07:35):
a really important uh thing for New Zealand and Wenington
to look at continue our sport growing.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, and obviously that has been one of the issues
highlighted with you from Basketball New Zealand and the discussion
during the week. From a Wellington specific perspective, how how
bad is that problem of court access to everyone that
wants a court? We know that we see our coutungui
often very busy. Is there an issue with court access
and Wellington at the moment for everyone wants.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It one hundred percent? I think we would be up
there with the hardest of places to be able to play,
especially indoors. Opland is probably a step ahead of us
with a lot of specific basketball facilities, which is they're
really lucky to have their capability. But yeah, you look
here outside of the Ako Tungyes, the Walter Nashes and
(08:20):
the Tarupa Arenas, there's not a lot of great facilities
that are that are available for anyone to go play
or even you know, we we we train at Acho
Tungny with the Saints, but it's it's often difficult with
all the other sports that happened in there as well.
So look, we definitely have a shortage of indoor and
outdoor facilities. So you know, hopefully over the coming year
(08:43):
years there there's there's more opportunities and more facilities that
people can play in.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And you mentioned some of the private partners that are
obviously already very generous with basketball and other sports around
Wellington that are do you say leading the charge and
that these are new court options? Is that the way
to go, That's the way to sort of known get
on the front foot with us, is just getting those
those private partners involved.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I looked at my belief and that's our mission
is to be able to build more courts and obviously
that comes with funds and dollars and cents, so they
see the vision and the dream, especially at a youth level,
to be able to provide more facilities or hoops and
courts for kids to play it. Which will you know
(09:24):
in the long run, you know, we're not only nothing
us for but it benefits the tend to be able
to play the basketball is such a unique sport where
it's diverse, it's any age, it's worldwide. We're really lucky
and we think if we can build more courts and
better facilities around and you know that don't benefit everybody.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I don't over the figure around the country's five hundred
courts short that's been thrown out. Is there any idea
how much new core, how many new courts over the
few years ahead and Wellington could make a real difference.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Look, I'd be lying to you if I knew the
exact lemple would make a difference. Obviously every court would
make a difference. We're on a mission to build as
many as we can every year. But I think if
you know, outdoor facilities, if there's another ten or fifteen
every year, then that'll make a huge difference. And then
and then the same for indoor. If there's a couple
more indoor facilities that pop up, it's only gonna going
(10:18):
to help, you know, our sport and kids play more.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And just to wrap up, jord of that as an
exciting time over the next couple of weeks for basketball
here in Wellington, with the Breakers coming to town for
the first time, and it's felt like many many years
I think, probably beyond some people's memories. It's been such
a long time. But this is big for basketball in
the city, isn't it. How our ticket sales going for
the big game coming up in a couple of saturdays time.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah's huge obviously our conversation, we've just head along the
growth of our sport. Being able to get the Breakers
to come down and play a game, you know, it's
a huge way for our city. So it's an exciting
time and play against a really high quality Sydney Bangs
team too, so it's going to be, you know, a
huge game. Tickets ours have been great, so we're about
(11:03):
twenty late left ticket sales and we're over seventy percent sold.
You know, typically Wellington is a late walk up crowd
for tickets, so we're hoping that that this big push
over the next couple of weeks will get us to
a sellout. And look, we you know, the Breakers want
to continue doing a game a year here for the future,
(11:24):
so if we could make it a win, then you know,
I think that we'll be able to lock women coming
into to Wellington every year for the next two or
three years, which is super exciting.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, great, Saturday December seven, the game and there are
going to be a few familiar faces to longtime Saints
fans taking to the court across the couple of teams. Jordan,
we're giving away a double pass to the game courtesy
of yourselves, so thanks very much for that. And yeah,
we're not going to give it away easy. We want
to ask a bit of a question that people have
to think about this morning. So yeah, I know you've
(11:53):
you've come up with a question for our listeners this morning, Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
For sure. So the question is for the double pass,
is how many same players will be on the floor
for the Sydney Kings versus Jon Breakers game on the
s TSB.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
There we go. How many Saints players will be taking
the court for the Sydney Kings in that game against
the Breakers in two weeks time. So have a think,
do some googling if you want, text your answer to
nine two ninety two here at Z'DB with your name.
So your answer and your name to nine two nine
two and we will draw that inside the next half
hour here on the show. Jordan, Great to catch up mate.
(12:27):
I know you're busy getting ready for that game and
everything else that comes with looking after a big NBL team,
so appreciate your time mate, and yeah, looking forward to
the next big couple of weeks of hopes here and Wellington.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Thanks much, Wigan. For more from News Talks B listen
live on air or online, and
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