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We've got a packed hour for you coming out in
just been about a half hour from now, we'll talk
to a legal analyst. He's fantastic. Royal Oaks is going
to join us to break down what's taking place so
far in the Hunter Biden gun trial, and we'll take
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a look ahead at what to expect this week. Also
take a look at some of the reaction to the
Israeli hostage rescue operation on the part of US officials.
That's coming up in just a bit, and we have
some trending stories for you on the way as well.
Right now, let's get to Today's Top Stories with Chris Trenkman.
Good morning, Chris, Good morning. Four Israeli hostages who are
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held hostage by Hamas rescued on Saturday in a military
operation by the Israel Defense Forces. All four kidnapped by
Hamas from the Nova Music festival on October seventh. The
IDF says that they were rescued from two different locations
at a refugee camp in the Central Gaza Strip and
they were found in sound medical condition. The military operation
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taking place is the Biden administrations pushing for a deal
that will secure the release of all the hostages and
lead to a ceasefire. It also happened as there's upheaval
in Prime Minister Benjamin nettan Yahoo's coalition heading the war effort.
Benny Gantz, a leading opponent at NET and Yahoo, announced
he is quitting because of differences with leadership. Yeah, we're
going to talk to Jordana Miller, ABC News correspondent. She's
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going to come to us live from Israel with some
insight into all of that. But in terms of the
hostage rescue, just the fact that they got the intelligence
to locate these hostages and then pulled off the operation
like they did. I mean stunning. And look, there's been
a lot of discussion about how many civilians were killed
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during the course of this operation. I would just bring
up this point whenever that point is made. If Hamas
had surrendered, if they had accepted the ceasefire deal for
hostages so far, if they had done any of those
kinds of things or just released the hostages, then those
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civilians would still be alive. Need there wouldn't have been
any need to go in and do that kind of
an operation. But they just refused. Just this current ceasefire
deal that was worked out between the US and Israel
and number of different partners in the region, Hamas still
hasn't accepted that. And what was being negotiated there, if
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you remember, which was just mind blowing to think about,
Israel was having to lower the amount of living hostages
they got back. They were having to come down on
that number in order to meet what Hamas was looking for.
I mean, just think about that for a second. I mean,
these hostages they've been held since October seventh, and they
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refused to give them back. They hide them among populations
where there are lots of innocent civilians, and what do
you think is going to happen. But the fact that
Israel was able to go in and rescue these four incredible.
It's obviously unfortunate for the rest. I'm sure the families
of the other hostages. You know, when you hear four
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hostages have been freed, you.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Hope that it's yours and you hope it's your.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Family member, right right, So I'm sure there was a
lot of disappointment among the the other families, but maybe
a little bit of hope that, look, Israel pulled this
one off, maybe they could pull off more down the
road if the deal can't eventually be reached. Definitely a
victory for Benjamin Nett and Yahoo, who's been under tremendous
pressure to get the hostages out of there. It's been
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the biggest complaint from folks living in Israel who have
been dealing with this since October seventh, and they were
able to get four out. But they still have a
ways to go, and as of right now, it doesn't
appear that the ceasefire talks are going anywhere. No, and
that was supposed to get many more hostages out, but
as of right now, it doesn't look like that's going
to happen anytime soon. All right, what else we have
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going on? Chris Well, the judge overseeing former President Trump's
hush money criminal case, informed the parties at somewhat on
Facebook claim to have advanced knowledge of the verdict. Judge
Wan Verschan wrote that Trump's attorneys and the Manhattan DA.
On May twenty ninth, it was day twelfth New Yorkers
began deliberating the case, and a day before he was convicted.
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That Facebook user left the comment on the New York
State Unified Court System page and it said that his
cousin was a juror, and he says Trump's getting convicted,
and we had a celebration emoji saying thank you folks
for all your hard work. Now it's unclear if the
user was being you know, sarcastic or speaking truthfully, but
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obviously it got the attention of the judge in the case.
And uh, he described himself as a professional self self poster,
as the person that refers to a trolling on the internet,
an S poster, an S poster, an S poster, don't
say the actual Well, yeah, that's right. I was trying
to be you know, a's tactful about that. But you
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know what, you know what I mean, So authorities, uh
are are looking into this because it's it's the kind
of situation where you don't want to appear that there
were there was some kind of impropriety before the actual
verteric came out, and that perhaps a juror was breaking
the rules by contacting somebody in the public exactly. And
when the notification first came across that this investigation was
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underway and that the judge had notified the prosecutors and
Trump's defense team, it was, you know, a John dropping moment.
What happened.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Yeah, it seems pretty serious that he released a whole statement,
put it on official letterhead. He was all out there,
but didn't mention in that letter that they had done
any research into the fact that this guy was an
S poster. Yeah, and that it was a bunch of nonsense.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Most likely the minute those details came across that the
guy literally says, I'm basically I'm a professional troll. Then
I think it's time for you to take a step
back and say, I don't know if this is legit.
That's right. Well, the thing is, though this case is
under such scrutiny, Yeah, that any kind of impropriety or
potential issues with the jurors could change the outcome of this.
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I mean, you can go to appeal with this and say, look, jurors,
we're talking to people and you know, leaking what they
were talking about behind closed doors. That could blow up
the case. And so far we haven't heard from any
of the Jersey down to blame them. I wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Yeah, no, I don't think any of those people want
to show their faces again. They're probably in hiding.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, I'm I'm sure this guy, the professional s poster,
I'm sure he'll be doing interviews soon though he's had
quite a moment. Yeah, well, unless Judge Marshawn orders thrown
in jail. Yeah, absolutely So. It's just another you know,
interesting footnote to what's been an unbelievable case. And we'll
see if this is something that, you know, they could
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use in an appeal. I mean Trump's people are trying
to figure that out right now, exactly as they prepare.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
The appeal can't happen until he gets sentenced, but you
know they're working on it right now. Oh yeah, So
folks in Florida are patrolling the beaches off the ocean
because of a series of shark attacks that happened along
the Gulf Coast. Three people hurt in two separate shark
attacks on Friday, and they happened off the beaches in
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the Panhandle, so they had to close several beaches to
swimmers on Friday. In particular, in Walton County, they fly
what's called the purple flag, which means there could be
dangerous marine life in the water. So the fire Department,
Wildlife Agency and others responded to a case of a
woman from Virginia Beach who lost her forearm to shark
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bites and also was severely injured in her abdomen. And
so that was part of the concern here that I
guess the sharks have had enough of the slimmers. Yeah,
you know, they're out there. There were two incidents and
they took place within two hours of each other and
within four miles.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Yeah, within four miles. The other was a pair was
two teenagers who were in like waste deep water. They
were of waiting around and a shark got one of
them pretty bad and the other one just got some
injuries to her foot.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, she got the worst of it, that woman who
lost her arm, but typically when you're in waste deep water,
I feel like your your guard isn't up as much.
You don't necessarily think something's gonna happen. Yeah, and yet
most of the shark attacks happen in shallow water. Yeah yeah,
and we we actually have exclusive audio of the mayor
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from where these shark attacks happen. Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I'm pleased and happy to repeat the news that we
have in fact caught and killed a large predator that
supposedly injured some bathings. But just say it's beatif today
the beaches are open and people are having a wonderful time.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, that's not from Jaws. That's the actual mayor of
till that happened. Yeah, yeah, so I got beaches are
open and and everyone's having a wonderful time, you know,
you know, and keep people from the beaches. It's summer
in Florida. You're not suggesting that shark was Jaws. Sorry, no, no,
not at all, not at all. But I mean, how
many shark attacks has the state of Florida seen so
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far this year? It's been quite a few. Yeah. Well,
Florida typically leads the nation in shark attacks, and that's
obviously because we have such a large coastline and an
enormous number of people who go in the water. But yeah,
I think I'm I'm almost positive of the East coast
that you socially, Yeah, Polusha County and you know, Daytona,
that area. There's some some areas where sharks are notorious
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for biting swimmers and uh and they almost always lead
the lead the world in the number of shark bites
per year. So yeah, I'm guessing that Florida's right at
the top of the list again this year. We're heading
into June, it's only going to get you know, more
crowded on the beaches. Yeah, and the potential for more
shark bites is there, But this is unusual. Multiple people
being bit, you know, within a four mile stretch within
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two hours.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
That Yes, there was also some speculation with some experts
I was watching last night who said it could very
well could have been the same shark who traveled those
four miles within an hour and a half and bit
two other people after biting that woman.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You better find that shark. Yeah, yes, it seems to
have a taste for humans. That's not a good thing,
all right, Chris Trankman with today's top stories. Chris, thanks
so much. Thank you. Still the come. We're going to
get reaction among US officials to the operation in Israel
that freed four hostages. So that is on the way
in bit right now, let's get to a trending story
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in this one, Dana, I feel like pretty concerned.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
It really is so.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
According to new survey, twenty six percent of gen Z
ors say they involve their parents in the job interview process.
Thirty one percent said their parents have accompanied them to
an in person interview, and twenty nine percent have had
their parents join them on a virtual interview. And in
some of these cases, the parents are actually meeting the
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potential new boss, or in the virtual interviews, the parents
are visible on camera. Now, I've never been a boss before,
but if I was and some young person shows up
to an interview with mommy or daddy, I'm like, oh
my gosh, this person's not going to be able to
work independently. They need mommy and daddy to hold their hand.
What am I going to have to do as a boss.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I'm not feeling it now, to be fair, if I
could bring my mom to a job interview, I mean
she's my best advocate. I know. This is your Morning
show with Michael del Chona, Ryan Gorman here with Dana McKay.
There was a lot of reaction on the Sunday shows
to the Israeli rescue mission that took place recently, rescuing
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four hostages. And we'll start with White House National Security
Advisor Jake Sullivan, who talked about on CBS's Face to
the Nation the deal that's been put together, the proposed
ceasefire deal to end the fighting in Gaza, and the
push for Hamas to accept it. Listen to this.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
The whole world is looking to Hamas to say yes,
because for all those people for all these months who've
been calling for a ceasefire, now's the moment. There could
be a ceasefire tomorrow today, even if Hamas would say
yes to.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The deal now. When Jake Sullivan was on CNN, he
called the death toll that took place as a result
of the Israeli rescue mission heartbreaking.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Innocent people were tragically killed in this operation. The exact
number we don't know, but innocent people were killed, and
that is heartbreaking, that is tragic.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
He emphasized President Biden's comments blaming Hamas for the civilian casualties, and.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
The president himself has said in recent days that the
Palestinian people are going through sheer hell in this conflict
because Hamas is operating in a way that puts them
in the crossfire, that holds hostages right in the heart
of crowded civilian areas.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And that's the key point I think that has to
be made when we're talking about this kind of stuff.
Civilians were killed. We don't know how many in that
rescue mission, and that's why it was so irresponsible for
so many news organizations to just run with what Hamas
said in terms of the civilian casualties. But when you've
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got hostages, or you've got fighters, you've got weapons being
stored in civilian areas, what do you think things gonna happen?
I mean, that's where the fault lies to me. I mean,
Israel went in and they rescued hostages that were being held.
If Hamas had released the hostages by now, that operation
would have been never taken place. Those civilians would still
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be alive. If Amas would have unconditionally surrendered by now,
we wouldn't be talking about any of this. But they
won't they refuse to accept even this latest deal where
if they got some concessions that were jaw dropping, I mean,
is lowering the amount of live hostages they would get
in return for a ceasefire. This is what Arkansas Senator
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Tom Cotton had to say. Praised Israeli forces for the
rescue mission. He called it a truly heroic mission on
Fox News Sunday.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
Hats off to the Israeli security forces for a fantastic
day in rescuing these four hostages.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And Tom Cotton blamed Thomas for the debts of any
civilians killed by Israeli forces during the operation.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
My advice to them would be, if you don't want
your people killed in hostage rescue missions, then you shouldn't
take hostages in the first place. You should release them
once you have, and you certainly shouldn't hide them in
civilian areas.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
These one hundred percent right, and those who were protesting
outside the White House, who were chanting for Hamas for
hesbal Lah, they claim to be so concerned about Palestinians
and innocent civilians, where are they calling on Hamas to
return the hostages so the ceasefire deal can take place,
so the fighting can stop and so innocent civilians don't
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end up in the crosshairs. I mean, you don't hear that, No, no,
not at all.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
You saw them supporting Hamas and everything that they're doing,
which is just really scary and crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Right, And it's because you don't see that at those protests,
and you don't hear enough of that from others around
the world. That's part of the reason that Hamas continues
to decline these agreements, continues to hauled off on any
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kind of serious negotiated ceasefire for hostages deal because they
feel like they've got the room to do that.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
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Speaker 1 (16:26):
With you, but better late than ever. We're grateful you're
here now, enjoy the podcast. I want to bring in
legal analyst Royal Oaks for a few minutes. Royal, thanks
so much for coming on the show this morning, and
let's start with an overview of what this case is
all about.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Well, it's all about the fact that Under Biden in
October twenty eighteen, bought a gun. And when you buy
a gun they're in Delaware, you have a lot of
form for the federal government and one of the questions
is are you addicted to illegal drugs? And he checked
the box no. Well, the prosecutions theory is he really
was addicted and getting him up to twenty five years
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in prison. That's for people almost always who buy a
gun under those circumstances and then use it to kill
or injure people, and hunter Biden didn't, so it's unlikely
he'd get any kind of serious jail time. But still
he's looking at a felony and the defense has not
quite rested, but we were waiting their decision as to
whether hunter Biden will testify.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
What are some of the strongest aspects of the prosecution's case.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Well, a couple of days after the purchase of the gun,
on October twelve, twenty eighteen, hunter Biden was texting people
talking about meeting a drug dealer and he's sleeping in
a car smoking crack. It's a very narrow technical defense.
The defense is at the moment he filled out the
form on October twelve, twenty eighteen, he did not consider
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himself to be an addict because he was going to recovery.
He was in rehab, and that's their defense. Unfortunately for them,
prosecution has had a lot of evidence, liked those texts
and took testimony by his ex wife and his ex girlfriend,
and his family members and some of whom acknowledged that, yeah,
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he was still doing drugs around that time October twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Was there one witness the prosecution brought forward in particular
who you thought had the most powerful testimony?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Well, I think really that his ex wife, Kathleen Buell.
She probably had the most powerful testimony. She saw him
doing drugs, saw a drug paraphernalia many times. She couldn't
say that actually at the time in October twenty eighteen,
he was doing drugs. But it did establish a pattern
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that the jury could fix on and conclude that, yeah,
he was deep into an addictive situation. In terms of documents,
probably the texts by Hunter himself are the most damaging.
Just a couple of days after the unpurchased.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And of course at the time this was happening. Hunter
Biden was involved with his dead brother's widow, Halle Biden,
intimately involved with her, and I guess they had been
to rehab just prior to the purchasing of the gun,
something you alluded to a few moments ago. But that
seems to be what the defense is leaning on the
fact that he was just in rehab, so he then
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didn't consider himself an addict when he was filling out
the form.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Right, And this is you're talking about Halle Biden, widow
of Bo Biden, he had passed a few years before.
She's the person who found the gun that he had
just bought eleven days before in October trash. It went
down to a supermarket and threw it in the trash.
And then when hunter Biden heard that she had done that,
he realized it was gone. And she admitted that he
went nuts because he panicked, And that actually helps the
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prosecution because why would a person panic over the fact
that the gun was taken unless he knew he had
broken the law law eleven days before when he filled
out the form and said he was not an addict. Otherwise,
Oh my gosh, that's annoying. I lost an eight hundred
dollars guns, but it doesn't necessarily justify the panicky situation
that he found himself in.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
We're joined now by legal analyst Royal Oaks. So the
defense is really trying to make this all about that
exact moment when Hunter Biden is filling out that form.
Now the letter of the law, is it that specific
or does it take into account a little bit of
what was happening before and a little bit of what
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happened afterwards and all of that the added context, I
would say, much needed context.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, it's a great question, and there really isn't a
clear answer. I mean, the law simply says that if
you lied on the form, you're guilty of the crime.
The form says are you addicted, which the defense points
out is a present tense thing, And basically he wasn't.
He was addicted that morning, in that evening, but he
wasn't addicted one pm when he bought the gun. Then
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he didn't violate the rule. But the rule of reasonableness
comes into play. A jury could easily accept the arguments
by the prosecution that, look at this, a day or
two after the purchase, he's texting about sleeping in the
car and smoking crack and meeting his drug dealer. Are
you really going to believe him when he says that,
oh yeah, thirty six hours before that text, I was
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clean and sober. So no clear answer to the question.
It's really up to the jury as to how hard
they want to go on Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Now, let's get to the question of whether or not
Hunter Biden takes the stand in this case. What are
some of the things the defense is looking at while
making that decision.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Well, you can take your entire net worth and go
to Vegas and betett regardless of the odds he is
not going to testify. It would just give the prosecution
the chance to perform a highlights reel of all of
their strong arguments, as we saw on the Donald Trump
trial in New York City. In high profile cases, people
generally take a pass and don't testify, risking the ire
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of the jury, who was saying to them, he doesn't,
you know, have the guts to take the stand, look
us in the eye and tell us his side of
the story. In this case, they've already heard his voice
because he wrote a memoir called Beautiful Things in twenty
twenty one talking all about his descent and addiction. He
voiced the memoir, and so they heard an open court
the audio portion of the book that the prosecution played
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where Hunter Biden himself is talking about his addiction problems.
Of course, it doesn't exactly answer the question of how
he was doing the day he bought the gun, but
they've already heard his voice. His lawyers, I am sure.
I mean, I'm going to convince him that even if
he wants to testify, it would be a bad idea.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
We know that, you know, one part of what the
defense was looking for was some sympathy from jurors about
hunter Biden being an addict. But how fine of a
line is that, because while you're trying to get that
sympathy for someone who is an addict, you're also alleging
that in that moment he didn't be it was an addict.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah, and that's that's the fine line the defense has
to walk. He kind of strains credit that he was
doing okay at the moment he bought the gun, and
so it's really up to the jury to conclude. You know,
what should they infer from the fact that, you know,
he went nuts when he learned the gun had been tossed.
Why would he if he didn't have guilt over violating
the law. What's he doing a day or two after
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the purchase dealing with drug dealers. It's up to the
jury now to decide who wins this close case. It
could really go either way.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And then final question for you. During the Trump Hushmany
trial in New York, the judge was a central figure,
especially a number of his rulings. What about the judge
in this case? Have we seen anything from the judge
presiding over the Hunter Biden gun Trump.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well, she's the federal judge appointed by Donald Trump, and
so people have assumed, since it's in vogue nowadays, to
assume that whoever appointed the federal judges or state judges
for that matter, governor or presidential appointment with that'll dictate
their decisions. You know, it's a cynical view. In this case,
there haven't been any big controversial rulings by the Trump
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appointee running the show in the courtroom. She prevented the
defense from from mentioning a few things that they wanted
to talk about, but nothing dramatic. So no, she's not
a central character the way Judge Juan Merchant was in
the Donald Trump Stormy Daniel's trial.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
ABC News Legal analyst Royal oaks with us. Royal really
appreciate it, Thanks so much, Royal. Still to come, We're
gonna go live to Israel for the latest on not
only the hostage rescue mission, but the political turmoil in
Israel developed over the weekend. So more coming up for
you on this Monday, June tenth. Ryan Gorman here with
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Dana McKay in for Michael del Journo. And let's get
to a trending story now, this one involving a bar
that had its own take on Pride Month.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yes, Mark Fitzpatrick, the owner of Old State Saloon and Idaho,
just isn't a big fan of celebrating Pride Month. So
his bar is celebrating heterosexual Awesomeness Month with specials like
on Monday, there's a free pine for hetero mails. Wednesday
fifteen percent off for hetero couples. He says, the place
has been absolutely packed for lunch and dinner and all night.
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And here's some more of what he told Fox News.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
We had a couple come in that was they throw
four hundred miles out of their way on their trip
across the country yesterday. They're from New York. Other people
have said they're gonna fly in from out of state.
Other people said that, you know, next time they're in
the state, they're going to stop by and support us.
So I think the support's been like overwhelmingly positive as
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far as what people are actually doing in real life.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Hey man, what an idea? Hi there, I'm Kiddy Stephens
in my morning show? Is is your Morning Show?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
With Michael balldrawn out.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Brian Gorman here with Dana McKay and now let's go
to the hotline and bring an ABC News correspondent Jordanah
Miller who's coming to us live from Israel. With's some
insight into the rescue of four hostages and some of
the political turmoil that's taken place over the past few days. Jordana,
always great to talk to you. And let's start with
the rescue mission. What are some details that were still learning?
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I mean, everything we've heard so far just an incredible
success on the part of the idea.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
This is really a daring daytime rescue operation that seems
to have stunned even Israelis that planned it. The Defense
Minister Yov Galan sing in almost five decades of his
time in the army, he's never seen such an operation
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carried off so much coordination even when things got very dicey,
and this operation could have been an absolute failure. So today,
for example, we're learning that the SWAT teams and some
of the Special Ops which arrived in the area even
days before the operation, disguised as local Palestinians in the
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area of the two residential buildings, that at about eleven
thirty on Saturday, they were simultaneously raided on very precise intel.
One of the hostages, a young female Special Forces, caught
her guards totally by surprise, killed them, and she exited
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the building relatively easily and got through the escape route
and to a helicopter and whisked off to Israel. The
other group did not have so much a luck, and
their vehicle on the exit because it was daytime, which
was used for the element of surprise, but also carried
more risks. Their vehicle got stuck not once but twice
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in massive gunfire, and Israel had planned obviously several contingencies
to come in and rescue along the exit route if
they got stuck, they had to do it not once
but twice that also caused Israel to increase its firepower
around these vehicles, creating what analysts here called the kind
of ring of fire. That's one of the main reasons
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why the casualties, the fatalities on the Palestinian side were
so high. In the last rescue mission of the two
Israelis from Rafa, about seventy Palestinians died in this one.
Hamas says about two hundred and seventy. And you know,
some of those were certainly Hamas fighters, but we also
know that many of them were civilians, women, children, people
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you know, with no links to Hamas, who were sheltering
in this refugee camp. They'd come to central Gaza because
the fighting has intensified in the south in Rafa. But
Hamas didn't take any of that into consideration. They kept
these two groups of his earli hostages in residential buildings,
(28:50):
kept by families, Hamas leaders and their families right by
a busy kind of open air market.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And have we learned any from the hostages themselves about
what they went through as they were held captive all
these months.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
So as we saw in the last, the last time
that there was a hostage rescue, usually take some weeks
before we learn about the kind of horrors that a
lot of these hostages and the abuse they face, So
we're not hearing so much yet. The doctors who have
examined before, including one woman, say they faced trauma. They're
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being treated both mentally, emotionally and physically. They're in good
physical condition. We're hearing little tidbits. For example, from the
friends of Noah Argamani. She was the beautiful young Israeli
woman kidnapped from the Nova Music Festival. The video of
her kidnapping went viral because Hamas posted it right this
(29:56):
young woman screaming don't tell me sandwich to Hamas militants
that they rode her off on a motorbikest She for example,
told her friends, who then told the Israeli media that
she was moved several times. They disguised her like, clothed
her and covered her to look like a muslm woman,
(30:18):
that she was forced to recite versus from the Qoran
and take part in the kind in daily prayers. You
know that's sure to be you know, or sure to hear. Unfortunately,
darker of what happened to these hostages, as is always
the case, she also said she what the friend said,
(30:40):
that she wasn't fed very much, you know, once a
day pieces of bread and rice. That's what happened with
some of the other hostages as well. But of course
there will be texts for sexual assault as well in
the way, not just for the women, but the men
as well. That we go from the hostages that have
(31:04):
come out and testified here and to the UN and
another forum that there was sexual assault on both men
and women Israeli hostages.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
More joined by ABC News correspondent Jordana Miller, who's coming
to us line from Israel. Last thing I want to
touch on real quick, Geordana, Israeli Minister Benny Gantz announcing
his party's exit from Prime Minister Benjaminta whose coalition. What
does that mean for all of this moving forward?
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Well, j General Benny Gance I was expected to resign.
He has been voicing criticism Prime Minister Benjamin Nitagne in
his handling of the war, specifically that Natagne is to
put a plan on the table for post war Gaza
Ntagnelle opposes any Palestinian rule there. Gance supports bringing the
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Palestinian authority in. Gonz also believes that Natanielle is letting
politics and his own survival into the room when critical
decisions need to be made, delaying those decisions. He specifically
said that when he announced that he was bolting the government,
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he takes with him other generals that were also listening
in on some of the work cabinet decisions. This will
further isolate n'ataielle because gans was seen as a kind
of he is a centrist the scene, as one of
the responsible grown ups in the room that has verizes
(32:36):
of the US and European leaders as a kind of
bulkwark against the Natagnielle's far right. But now the far
right is going to swoop in and try to take
control of the direction of this war, and they oppose
and they opposed Palestinian leadership there. They opposed a deal
with the Saudis that would bring normalization because they so
(33:00):
desperately want to see any kind of Palestinian state ever
come to be. So, you know, Naton in a sense,
he's on a faster collision course now with the United States.
This is a step back really for President Biden as well.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
All Right, ABC News correspondent Jordana Miller with a report
live from Israel for US. Jordana really appreciate it. Thanks
so much, Thanks so much.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Suckson.
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That's coming up in just a bit, and we have
some trending stories for you on the way as well.
Right now, let's get to Today's Top Stories with Chris Trenkman.
Good morning, Chris, Good morning. Four Israeli hostages who are
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held hostage by Hamas rescued on Saturday in a military
operation by the Israel Defense Forces. All four kidnapped by
Hamas from the Nova Music festival on October seventh. The
IDF says that they were rescued from two different locations
at a refugee camp in the Central Gaza Strip and
they were found in sound medical condition. The military operation
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taking place is the Biden administrations pushing for a deal
that will secure the release of all the hostages and
lead to a ceasefire. It also happened as there's upheaval
in Prime Minister Benjamin nettan Yahoo's coalition heading the war effort.
Benny Gantz, a leading opponent at NET and Yahoo, announced
he is quitting because of differences with leadership. Yeah, we're
going to talk to Jordana Miller, ABC News correspondent. She's
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going to come to us live from Israel with some
insight into all of that. But in terms of the
hostage rescue, just the fact that they got the intelligence
to locate these hostages and then pulled off the operation
like they did. I mean stunning. And look, there's been
a lot of discussion about how many civilians were killed
(02:23):
during the course of this operation. I would just bring
up this point whenever that point is made. If Hamas
had surrendered, if they had accepted the ceasefire deal for
hostages so far, if they had done any of those
kinds of things or just released the hostages, then those
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civilians would still be alive. Need there wouldn't have been
any need to go in and do that kind of
an operation. But they just refused. Just this current ceasefire
deal that was worked out between the US and Israel
and number of different partners in the region, Hamas still
hasn't accepted that. And what was being negotiated there, if
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you remember, which was just mind blowing to think about,
Israel was having to lower the amount of living hostages
they got back. They were having to come down on
that number in order to meet what Hamas was looking for.
I mean, just think about that for a second. I mean,
these hostages they've been held since October seventh, and they
(03:30):
refused to give them back. They hide them among populations
where there are lots of innocent civilians, and what do
you think is going to happen. But the fact that
Israel was able to go in and rescue these four incredible.
It's obviously unfortunate for the rest. I'm sure the families
of the other hostages. You know, when you hear four
(03:51):
hostages have been freed, you.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Hope that it's yours and you hope it's your.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Family member, right right, So I'm sure there was a
lot of disappointment among the the other families, but maybe
a little bit of hope that, look, Israel pulled this
one off, maybe they could pull off more down the
road if the deal can't eventually be reached. Definitely a
victory for Benjamin Nett and Yahoo, who's been under tremendous
pressure to get the hostages out of there. It's been
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the biggest complaint from folks living in Israel who have
been dealing with this since October seventh, and they were
able to get four out. But they still have a
ways to go, and as of right now, it doesn't
appear that the ceasefire talks are going anywhere. No, and
that was supposed to get many more hostages out, but
as of right now, it doesn't look like that's going
to happen anytime soon. All right, what else we have
(04:38):
going on? Chris Well, the judge overseeing former President Trump's
hush money criminal case, informed the parties at somewhat on
Facebook claim to have advanced knowledge of the verdict. Judge
Wan Verschan wrote that Trump's attorneys and the Manhattan DA.
On May twenty ninth, it was day twelfth New Yorkers
began deliberating the case, and a day before he was convicted.
(04:59):
That Facebook user left the comment on the New York
State Unified Court System page and it said that his
cousin was a juror, and he says Trump's getting convicted,
and we had a celebration emoji saying thank you folks
for all your hard work. Now it's unclear if the
user was being you know, sarcastic or speaking truthfully, but
(05:22):
obviously it got the attention of the judge in the case.
And uh, he described himself as a professional self self poster,
as the person that refers to a trolling on the internet,
an S poster, an S poster, an S poster, don't
say the actual Well, yeah, that's right. I was trying
to be you know, a's tactful about that. But you
(05:45):
know what, you know what I mean, So authorities, uh
are are looking into this because it's it's the kind
of situation where you don't want to appear that there
were there was some kind of impropriety before the actual
verteric came out, and that perhaps a juror was breaking
the rules by contacting somebody in the public exactly. And
when the notification first came across that this investigation was
(06:07):
underway and that the judge had notified the prosecutors and
Trump's defense team, it was, you know, a John dropping moment.
What happened.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Yeah, it seems pretty serious that he released a whole statement,
put it on official letterhead. He was all out there,
but didn't mention in that letter that they had done
any research into the fact that this guy was an
S poster. Yeah, and that it was a bunch of nonsense.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Most likely the minute those details came across that the
guy literally says, I'm basically I'm a professional troll. Then
I think it's time for you to take a step
back and say, I don't know if this is legit.
That's right. Well, the thing is, though this case is
under such scrutiny, Yeah, that any kind of impropriety or
potential issues with the jurors could change the outcome of this.
(06:50):
I mean, you can go to appeal with this and say, look, jurors,
we're talking to people and you know, leaking what they
were talking about behind closed doors. That could blow up
the case. And so far we haven't heard from any
of the Jersey down to blame them. I wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Yeah, no, I don't think any of those people want
to show their faces again. They're probably in hiding.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, I'm I'm sure this guy, the professional s poster,
I'm sure he'll be doing interviews soon though he's had
quite a moment. Yeah, well, unless Judge Marshawn orders thrown
in jail. Yeah, absolutely So. It's just another you know,
interesting footnote to what's been an unbelievable case. And we'll
see if this is something that, you know, they could
(07:28):
use in an appeal. I mean Trump's people are trying
to figure that out right now, exactly as they prepare.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
The appeal can't happen until he gets sentenced, but you
know they're working on it right now. Oh yeah, So
folks in Florida are patrolling the beaches off the ocean
because of a series of shark attacks that happened along
the Gulf Coast. Three people hurt in two separate shark
attacks on Friday, and they happened off the beaches in
(07:55):
the Panhandle, so they had to close several beaches to
swimmers on Friday. In particular, in Walton County, they fly
what's called the purple flag, which means there could be
dangerous marine life in the water. So the fire Department,
Wildlife Agency and others responded to a case of a
woman from Virginia Beach who lost her forearm to shark
(08:16):
bites and also was severely injured in her abdomen. And
so that was part of the concern here that I
guess the sharks have had enough of the slimmers. Yeah,
you know, they're out there. There were two incidents and
they took place within two hours of each other and
within four miles.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Yeah, within four miles. The other was a pair was
two teenagers who were in like waste deep water. They
were of waiting around and a shark got one of
them pretty bad and the other one just got some
injuries to her foot.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, she got the worst of it, that woman who
lost her arm, but typically when you're in waste deep water,
I feel like your your guard isn't up as much.
You don't necessarily think something's gonna happen. Yeah, and yet
most of the shark attacks happen in shallow water. Yeah yeah,
and we we actually have exclusive audio of the mayor
(09:05):
from where these shark attacks happen. Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I'm pleased and happy to repeat the news that we
have in fact caught and killed a large predator that
supposedly injured some bathings. But just say it's beatif today
the beaches are open and people are having a wonderful time.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, that's not from Jaws. That's the actual mayor of
till that happened. Yeah, yeah, so I got beaches are
open and and everyone's having a wonderful time, you know,
you know, and keep people from the beaches. It's summer
in Florida. You're not suggesting that shark was Jaws. Sorry, no, no,
not at all, not at all. But I mean, how
many shark attacks has the state of Florida seen so
(09:43):
far this year? It's been quite a few. Yeah. Well,
Florida typically leads the nation in shark attacks, and that's
obviously because we have such a large coastline and an
enormous number of people who go in the water. But yeah,
I think I'm I'm almost positive of the East coast
that you socially, Yeah, Polusha County and you know, Daytona,
that area. There's some some areas where sharks are notorious
(10:07):
for biting swimmers and uh and they almost always lead
the lead the world in the number of shark bites
per year. So yeah, I'm guessing that Florida's right at
the top of the list again this year. We're heading
into June, it's only going to get you know, more
crowded on the beaches. Yeah, and the potential for more
shark bites is there, But this is unusual. Multiple people
being bit, you know, within a four mile stretch within
(10:29):
two hours.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
That Yes, there was also some speculation with some experts
I was watching last night who said it could very
well could have been the same shark who traveled those
four miles within an hour and a half and bit
two other people after biting that woman.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You better find that shark. Yeah, yes, it seems to
have a taste for humans. That's not a good thing,
all right, Chris Trankman with today's top stories. Chris, thanks
so much. Thank you. Still the come. We're going to
get reaction among US officials to the operation in Israel
that freed four hostages. So that is on the way
in bit right now, let's get to a trending story
(11:03):
in this one, Dana, I feel like pretty concerned.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
It really is so.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
According to new survey, twenty six percent of gen Z
ors say they involve their parents in the job interview process.
Thirty one percent said their parents have accompanied them to
an in person interview, and twenty nine percent have had
their parents join them on a virtual interview. And in
some of these cases, the parents are actually meeting the
(11:31):
potential new boss, or in the virtual interviews, the parents
are visible on camera. Now, I've never been a boss before,
but if I was and some young person shows up
to an interview with mommy or daddy, I'm like, oh
my gosh, this person's not going to be able to
work independently. They need mommy and daddy to hold their hand.
What am I going to have to do as a boss.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I'm not feeling it now, to be fair, if I
could bring my mom to a job interview, I mean
she's my best advocate. I know. This is your Morning
show with Michael del Chona, Ryan Gorman here with Dana McKay.
There was a lot of reaction on the Sunday shows
to the Israeli rescue mission that took place recently, rescuing
(12:16):
four hostages. And we'll start with White House National Security
Advisor Jake Sullivan, who talked about on CBS's Face to
the Nation the deal that's been put together, the proposed
ceasefire deal to end the fighting in Gaza, and the
push for Hamas to accept it. Listen to this.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
The whole world is looking to Hamas to say yes,
because for all those people for all these months who've
been calling for a ceasefire, now's the moment. There could
be a ceasefire tomorrow today, even if Hamas would say
yes to.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The deal now. When Jake Sullivan was on CNN, he
called the death toll that took place as a result
of the Israeli rescue mission heartbreaking.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Innocent people were tragically killed in this operation. The exact
number we don't know, but innocent people were killed, and
that is heartbreaking, that is tragic.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
He emphasized President Biden's comments blaming Hamas for the civilian casualties, and.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
The president himself has said in recent days that the
Palestinian people are going through sheer hell in this conflict
because Hamas is operating in a way that puts them
in the crossfire, that holds hostages right in the heart
of crowded civilian areas.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And that's the key point I think that has to
be made when we're talking about this kind of stuff.
Civilians were killed. We don't know how many in that
rescue mission, and that's why it was so irresponsible for
so many news organizations to just run with what Hamas
said in terms of the civilian casualties. But when you've
(13:51):
got hostages, or you've got fighters, you've got weapons being
stored in civilian areas, what do you think things gonna happen?
I mean, that's where the fault lies to me. I mean,
Israel went in and they rescued hostages that were being held.
If Hamas had released the hostages by now, that operation
would have been never taken place. Those civilians would still
(14:13):
be alive. If Amas would have unconditionally surrendered by now,
we wouldn't be talking about any of this. But they
won't they refuse to accept even this latest deal where
if they got some concessions that were jaw dropping, I mean,
is lowering the amount of live hostages they would get
in return for a ceasefire. This is what Arkansas Senator
(14:36):
Tom Cotton had to say. Praised Israeli forces for the
rescue mission. He called it a truly heroic mission on
Fox News Sunday.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
Hats off to the Israeli security forces for a fantastic
day in rescuing these four hostages.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And Tom Cotton blamed Thomas for the debts of any
civilians killed by Israeli forces during the operation.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
My advice to them would be, if you don't want
your people killed in hostage rescue missions, then you shouldn't
take hostages in the first place. You should release them
once you have, and you certainly shouldn't hide them in
civilian areas.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
These one hundred percent right, and those who were protesting
outside the White House, who were chanting for Hamas for
hesbal Lah, they claim to be so concerned about Palestinians
and innocent civilians, where are they calling on Hamas to
return the hostages so the ceasefire deal can take place,
so the fighting can stop and so innocent civilians don't
(15:31):
end up in the crosshairs. I mean, you don't hear that, No, no,
not at all.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
You saw them supporting Hamas and everything that they're doing,
which is just really scary and crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Right, And it's because you don't see that at those protests,
and you don't hear enough of that from others around
the world. That's part of the reason that Hamas continues
to decline these agreements, continues to hauled off on any
(16:02):
kind of serious negotiated ceasefire for hostages deal because they
feel like they've got the room to do that.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
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With you, but better late than ever. We're grateful you're
here now, enjoy the podcast. I want to bring in
legal analyst Royal Oaks for a few minutes. Royal, thanks
so much for coming on the show this morning, and
let's start with an overview of what this case is
all about.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Well, it's all about the fact that Under Biden in
October twenty eighteen, bought a gun. And when you buy
a gun they're in Delaware, you have a lot of
form for the federal government and one of the questions
is are you addicted to illegal drugs? And he checked
the box no. Well, the prosecutions theory is he really
was addicted and getting him up to twenty five years
(17:03):
in prison. That's for people almost always who buy a
gun under those circumstances and then use it to kill
or injure people, and hunter Biden didn't, so it's unlikely
he'd get any kind of serious jail time. But still
he's looking at a felony and the defense has not
quite rested, but we were waiting their decision as to
whether hunter Biden will testify.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
What are some of the strongest aspects of the prosecution's case.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Well, a couple of days after the purchase of the gun,
on October twelve, twenty eighteen, hunter Biden was texting people
talking about meeting a drug dealer and he's sleeping in
a car smoking crack. It's a very narrow technical defense.
The defense is at the moment he filled out the
form on October twelve, twenty eighteen, he did not consider
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himself to be an addict because he was going to recovery.
He was in rehab, and that's their defense. Unfortunately for them,
prosecution has had a lot of evidence, liked those texts
and took testimony by his ex wife and his ex girlfriend,
and his family members and some of whom acknowledged that, yeah,
(18:13):
he was still doing drugs around that time October twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Was there one witness the prosecution brought forward in particular
who you thought had the most powerful testimony?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Well, I think really that his ex wife, Kathleen Buell.
She probably had the most powerful testimony. She saw him
doing drugs, saw a drug paraphernalia many times. She couldn't
say that actually at the time in October twenty eighteen,
he was doing drugs. But it did establish a pattern
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that the jury could fix on and conclude that, yeah,
he was deep into an addictive situation. In terms of documents,
probably the texts by Hunter himself are the most damaging.
Just a couple of days after the unpurchased.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And of course at the time this was happening. Hunter
Biden was involved with his dead brother's widow, Halle Biden,
intimately involved with her, and I guess they had been
to rehab just prior to the purchasing of the gun,
something you alluded to a few moments ago. But that
seems to be what the defense is leaning on the
fact that he was just in rehab, so he then
(19:24):
didn't consider himself an addict when he was filling out
the form.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Right, And this is you're talking about Halle Biden, widow
of Bo Biden, he had passed a few years before.
She's the person who found the gun that he had
just bought eleven days before in October trash. It went
down to a supermarket and threw it in the trash.
And then when hunter Biden heard that she had done that,
he realized it was gone. And she admitted that he
went nuts because he panicked, And that actually helps the
(19:52):
prosecution because why would a person panic over the fact
that the gun was taken unless he knew he had
broken the law law eleven days before when he filled
out the form and said he was not an addict. Otherwise,
Oh my gosh, that's annoying. I lost an eight hundred
dollars guns, but it doesn't necessarily justify the panicky situation
that he found himself in.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
We're joined now by legal analyst Royal Oaks. So the
defense is really trying to make this all about that
exact moment when Hunter Biden is filling out that form.
Now the letter of the law, is it that specific
or does it take into account a little bit of
what was happening before and a little bit of what
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happened afterwards and all of that the added context, I
would say, much needed context.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, it's a great question, and there really isn't a
clear answer. I mean, the law simply says that if
you lied on the form, you're guilty of the crime.
The form says are you addicted, which the defense points
out is a present tense thing, And basically he wasn't.
He was addicted that morning, in that evening, but he
wasn't addicted one pm when he bought the gun. Then
(21:02):
he didn't violate the rule. But the rule of reasonableness
comes into play. A jury could easily accept the arguments
by the prosecution that, look at this, a day or
two after the purchase, he's texting about sleeping in the
car and smoking crack and meeting his drug dealer. Are
you really going to believe him when he says that,
oh yeah, thirty six hours before that text, I was
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clean and sober. So no clear answer to the question.
It's really up to the jury as to how hard
they want to go on Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Now, let's get to the question of whether or not
Hunter Biden takes the stand in this case. What are
some of the things the defense is looking at while
making that decision.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Well, you can take your entire net worth and go
to Vegas and betett regardless of the odds he is
not going to testify. It would just give the prosecution
the chance to perform a highlights reel of all of
their strong arguments, as we saw on the Donald Trump
trial in New York City. In high profile cases, people
generally take a pass and don't testify, risking the ire
(21:58):
of the jury, who was saying to them, he doesn't,
you know, have the guts to take the stand, look
us in the eye and tell us his side of
the story. In this case, they've already heard his voice
because he wrote a memoir called Beautiful Things in twenty
twenty one talking all about his descent and addiction. He
voiced the memoir, and so they heard an open court
the audio portion of the book that the prosecution played
(22:19):
where Hunter Biden himself is talking about his addiction problems.
Of course, it doesn't exactly answer the question of how
he was doing the day he bought the gun, but
they've already heard his voice. His lawyers, I am sure.
I mean, I'm going to convince him that even if
he wants to testify, it would be a bad idea.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
We know that, you know, one part of what the
defense was looking for was some sympathy from jurors about
hunter Biden being an addict. But how fine of a
line is that, because while you're trying to get that
sympathy for someone who is an addict, you're also alleging
that in that moment he didn't be it was an addict.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah, and that's that's the fine line the defense has
to walk. He kind of strains credit that he was
doing okay at the moment he bought the gun, and
so it's really up to the jury to conclude. You know,
what should they infer from the fact that, you know,
he went nuts when he learned the gun had been tossed.
Why would he if he didn't have guilt over violating
the law. What's he doing a day or two after
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the purchase dealing with drug dealers. It's up to the
jury now to decide who wins this close case. It
could really go either way.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And then final question for you. During the Trump Hushmany
trial in New York, the judge was a central figure,
especially a number of his rulings. What about the judge
in this case? Have we seen anything from the judge
presiding over the Hunter Biden gun Trump.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well, she's the federal judge appointed by Donald Trump, and
so people have assumed, since it's in vogue nowadays, to
assume that whoever appointed the federal judges or state judges
for that matter, governor or presidential appointment with that'll dictate
their decisions. You know, it's a cynical view. In this case,
there haven't been any big controversial rulings by the Trump
(24:02):
appointee running the show in the courtroom. She prevented the
defense from from mentioning a few things that they wanted
to talk about, but nothing dramatic. So no, she's not
a central character the way Judge Juan Merchant was in
the Donald Trump Stormy Daniel's trial.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
ABC News Legal analyst Royal oaks with us. Royal really
appreciate it, Thanks so much, Royal. Still to come, We're
gonna go live to Israel for the latest on not
only the hostage rescue mission, but the political turmoil in
Israel developed over the weekend. So more coming up for
you on this Monday, June tenth. Ryan Gorman here with
(24:38):
Dana McKay in for Michael del Journo. And let's get
to a trending story now, this one involving a bar
that had its own take on Pride Month.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yes, Mark Fitzpatrick, the owner of Old State Saloon and Idaho,
just isn't a big fan of celebrating Pride Month. So
his bar is celebrating heterosexual Awesomeness Month with specials like
on Monday, there's a free pine for hetero mails. Wednesday
fifteen percent off for hetero couples. He says, the place
has been absolutely packed for lunch and dinner and all night.
(25:08):
And here's some more of what he told Fox News.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
We had a couple come in that was they throw
four hundred miles out of their way on their trip
across the country yesterday. They're from New York. Other people
have said they're gonna fly in from out of state.
Other people said that, you know, next time they're in
the state, they're going to stop by and support us.
So I think the support's been like overwhelmingly positive as
(25:30):
far as what people are actually doing in real life.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Hey man, what an idea? Hi there, I'm Kiddy Stephens
in my morning show? Is is your Morning Show?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
With Michael balldrawn out.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Brian Gorman here with Dana McKay and now let's go
to the hotline and bring an ABC News correspondent Jordanah
Miller who's coming to us live from Israel. With's some
insight into the rescue of four hostages and some of
the political turmoil that's taken place over the past few days. Jordana,
always great to talk to you. And let's start with
the rescue mission. What are some details that were still learning?
(26:03):
I mean, everything we've heard so far just an incredible
success on the part of the idea.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
This is really a daring daytime rescue operation that seems
to have stunned even Israelis that planned it. The Defense
Minister Yov Galan sing in almost five decades of his
time in the army, he's never seen such an operation
(26:32):
carried off so much coordination even when things got very dicey,
and this operation could have been an absolute failure. So today,
for example, we're learning that the SWAT teams and some
of the Special Ops which arrived in the area even
days before the operation, disguised as local Palestinians in the
(26:56):
area of the two residential buildings, that at about eleven
thirty on Saturday, they were simultaneously raided on very precise intel.
One of the hostages, a young female Special Forces, caught
her guards totally by surprise, killed them, and she exited
(27:18):
the building relatively easily and got through the escape route
and to a helicopter and whisked off to Israel. The
other group did not have so much a luck, and
their vehicle on the exit because it was daytime, which
was used for the element of surprise, but also carried
more risks. Their vehicle got stuck not once but twice
(27:41):
in massive gunfire, and Israel had planned obviously several contingencies
to come in and rescue along the exit route if
they got stuck, they had to do it not once
but twice that also caused Israel to increase its firepower
around these vehicles, creating what analysts here called the kind
of ring of fire. That's one of the main reasons
(28:04):
why the casualties, the fatalities on the Palestinian side were
so high. In the last rescue mission of the two
Israelis from Rafa, about seventy Palestinians died in this one.
Hamas says about two hundred and seventy. And you know,
some of those were certainly Hamas fighters, but we also
know that many of them were civilians, women, children, people
(28:29):
you know, with no links to Hamas, who were sheltering
in this refugee camp. They'd come to central Gaza because
the fighting has intensified in the south in Rafa. But
Hamas didn't take any of that into consideration. They kept
these two groups of his earli hostages in residential buildings,
(28:50):
kept by families, Hamas leaders and their families right by
a busy kind of open air market.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And have we learned any from the hostages themselves about
what they went through as they were held captive all
these months.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
So as we saw in the last, the last time
that there was a hostage rescue, usually take some weeks
before we learn about the kind of horrors that a
lot of these hostages and the abuse they face, So
we're not hearing so much yet. The doctors who have
examined before, including one woman, say they faced trauma. They're
(29:33):
being treated both mentally, emotionally and physically. They're in good
physical condition. We're hearing little tidbits. For example, from the
friends of Noah Argamani. She was the beautiful young Israeli
woman kidnapped from the Nova Music Festival. The video of
her kidnapping went viral because Hamas posted it right this
(29:56):
young woman screaming don't tell me sandwich to Hamas militants
that they rode her off on a motorbikest She for example,
told her friends, who then told the Israeli media that
she was moved several times. They disguised her like, clothed
her and covered her to look like a muslm woman,
(30:18):
that she was forced to recite versus from the Qoran
and take part in the kind in daily prayers. You
know that's sure to be you know, or sure to hear. Unfortunately,
darker of what happened to these hostages, as is always
the case, she also said she what the friend said,
(30:40):
that she wasn't fed very much, you know, once a
day pieces of bread and rice. That's what happened with
some of the other hostages as well. But of course
there will be texts for sexual assault as well in
the way, not just for the women, but the men
as well. That we go from the hostages that have
(31:04):
come out and testified here and to the UN and
another forum that there was sexual assault on both men
and women Israeli hostages.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
More joined by ABC News correspondent Jordana Miller, who's coming
to us line from Israel. Last thing I want to
touch on real quick, Geordana, Israeli Minister Benny Gantz announcing
his party's exit from Prime Minister Benjaminta whose coalition. What
does that mean for all of this moving forward?
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Well, j General Benny Gance I was expected to resign.
He has been voicing criticism Prime Minister Benjamin Nitagne in
his handling of the war, specifically that Natagne is to
put a plan on the table for post war Gaza
Ntagnelle opposes any Palestinian rule there. Gance supports bringing the
(31:53):
Palestinian authority in. Gonz also believes that Natanielle is letting
politics and his own survival into the room when critical
decisions need to be made, delaying those decisions. He specifically
said that when he announced that he was bolting the government,
(32:14):
he takes with him other generals that were also listening
in on some of the work cabinet decisions. This will
further isolate n'ataielle because gans was seen as a kind
of he is a centrist the scene, as one of
the responsible grown ups in the room that has verizes
(32:36):
of the US and European leaders as a kind of
bulkwark against the Natagnielle's far right. But now the far
right is going to swoop in and try to take
control of the direction of this war, and they oppose
and they opposed Palestinian leadership there. They opposed a deal
with the Saudis that would bring normalization because they so
(33:00):
desperately want to see any kind of Palestinian state ever
come to be. So, you know, Naton in a sense,
he's on a faster collision course now with the United States.
This is a step back really for President Biden as well.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
All Right, ABC News correspondent Jordana Miller with a report
live from Israel for US. Jordana really appreciate it. Thanks
so much, Thanks so much.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Suckson.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
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