October 4, 2024 • 25 mins
Abortion, LGBTQ, Trans chaos…ever wonder how we got here? It didn’t just happen, in fact, it was over 100 years in the making! Seth Gruber, producer of “The 1916 Project” documentary will blow your mind and connect all the dots
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know you're familiar with all the abortion narratives, the
political narratives, it's my body, leave me alone, lending a
voice to the unborn. Those are the narratives, those are
the positions. But what's the real history, the real people
behind this movement. The name of the documentary is the
same name as the book, The nineteen sixteen Project, and
(00:22):
its writer is Seth Gruber. We sat down with him
to talk about abortion, its history, and the true frightening enemy,
and we started with a little bit about him, because
the making of a messenger is always as important as
the message.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, Michael. Yeah. Thank you so much
for your voice. And we need to amplify more of
these voices because this stuff has been hidden from the
American people for so long, and I decided it was
time to kind of blow the cover off. I'm a
former homeschool kid raised in Los Angeles County. My mother
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was the director of a pregnancy resource center before they
were as well, let's say, as hip and cool on
the right and has hated and targeted on the left
as they are now. She was leading one of those
in AZEUSA, California, in Los Angeles County and she was
in her late twenties in the late eighties, and then
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I was born in ninety one, and she was waddling
around the pregnancy center pregnant with me, loving on moms
and helping save babies. In fact, she would often babiesit
the toddlers whose lives she helped save as unborn children
because the degenerate deadbie boyfriend wasn't in the picture. So
I was then homeschooled. We supported our local pregnancy center
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growing up. I helped raise funds for them as a kid.
Fast tracked to public high school. There's actually Nixon's alma mater.
What are your high school senior year? I picked the
topic of abortion. It's my senior project, Michael. And they say, well,
you can't pick the topic of abortion. And I said,
here's a copy of the Constitution. You're making me reading
government class. I recommend you read it or you're going
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to have a lawsuit on your hands. So in two
thousand and nine, at eighteen years old, I threatened to
sue my high school. They backed off real quick, and
I did my senior project on abortion. And it was
in those volunteering hours in order to graduate that I
saw for the first time, mutilated, aborted, dissected baby photos
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of unborn children killed and aborted in between five and
ten weeks, all in the first trimester, little hands and
feet and noses and eyes, and this destroyed me. I
went to a fake Christian college in Santa Barbara called
Westmont College somewhere if your listeners are listening, you should
never send your children to. And I found that there's
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pro abortion faculty professors on the payroll. So I started
the first pro life club that had ever been there.
I challenged the institution for not taking a position on
killing little babies and for hiring professors who I guess
would have boarded Christ in the womb, I guess. And
then I started speaking full time when I graduated, and
(03:05):
we launched the White Rose Resistance right after the overturning
of Roversus Wade. We're now the fastest growing for a
life organization in America and we're trying to put ourselves
out of a job.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I was just going to say, and I cannot wait
to explain to them why you chose that name. You know,
I come across brothers and sisters all the time, and
being light in darkness and being God in the midst
of an ungodly world, which is the highest calling. And
people's reaction is often, where do you get this knowledge?
Where do you get this thirst? Where do you get
this courage? The fingerprints of God are all over people
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like you. Nothing was by chance from whom whose womb
you came through what you watched her do for a lifetime,
what was born in you, through what you saw and
what you experienced. This is what I call the making
of the messenger, and I always start there because the
trusted making of the messenger has a lot to do
with trusting the message. And there is no more powerful
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message on planet Earth right now than the nineteen sixty
Project documentary. I'm sitting here with a flag made out
of wood, and somebody asked me have a guy. He's
very gifted. He makes these beautiful flags out of wood
and he puts quotes on them. I know you're a
big fan of John F.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Kennedy.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
What's your favorite John F. Kennedy quote? And the one
that he put on it is the one that I
told them, too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion
without the discomfort of thought. John F. Kennedy, That's never
more true than with the abortion issue, everybody takes an
immediate position. And by the way, this documentary is not
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necessarily for the pro abortionists out there that think it's
as simple as it's a woman's body. This is for
everybody that has spent their life being passionate, passionately pro life.
You don't know the history, you haven't connected the dots,
you don't even get the issue. And at the end
of this documentary you're going to see you are face
to face with Lucifer himself that it shouldn't shock you
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he comes after children, and it shouldn't shock you that
he is the author of death. But when you started collecting,
when you started connecting all these dots, I'm telling you,
this is a documentary you've got to watch fifteen sixteen
times and you surround yourself by very brilliant people. But
in your life, have you ever seen an issue that
applies to this John F. Kennedy quote more than abortion.
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For the pro choice or pro death and the pro
life they don't get it at all. They have an opinion,
they have a position, but they don't get the history.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And they must That's right, Michael, that's very well said. Brother.
I do I would like you listen, brother, so Hileaire
Block GK. Chesterton's best friend. They were such good friends.
People call them Chester Block. Hilena Block once said, to
comprehend the history of a thing is to unlock the
mysteries of its presence, but more to discover the profundities
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of its future. In other words, we don't study the
past is to like you know, tinker and poke around
and debate about what happened when and how we study
the past understand like how that's still happening now and
where this will continue to go moving forward if nothing changes.
In Hoseah four six, God says, my people are being
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destroyed for lack of knowledge, meaning it's actively happening now.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And I think that that Hebrew translates to their overcome.
You're just conquered, yeap, and we are being and that,
by the way, and by design, is the endgame of this.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
We're talking with Seth Grueber nineteen sixty. Project is a
must see documentary. You'll be coming out on x October
twenty second. After that, there'll be other platforms, and this
is a must for everyone to see before you can
even begin to understand the abortion issue, which has become
one of the top issues of this presidential election. I
don't say this to sound prideful. I say this to
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give you the highest compliment. There's not a lot of
things that I our take in where I learned something.
Throughout this documentary, I was constantly learning. And I am
somebody who at fourty this is where we're all like
Seth at fourteen years old. Guess who I was studying,
Dear Derek Bonhoffen, all right, and you know, and I
thought I knew everything about what went on there, and
(07:17):
then you introduced me to Hans and Sophie. I want
to start with the name of your organization, the White
Rose Resistance. One of the greatest stories of I think
encourage truth being the church, which is not a place
you go. It's something we are that I have ever
heard in my life. And why it took your documentary
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to introduce that to me, I don't know. But I'm
so grateful to know Hans and Sophie's story, and they'd
be so proud of you right now.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Amen, Yeah, thank you, Migrea. We named our third child,
our daughter, Sophie, after Sophie of the White Rose Resistance.
And once you watch this film, and by the way,
it's the book as well. The book is called the
nineteen sixteen Project, the subtitle The Lying, the Way, the
War We're in, The Lying, the Witch and the War
We're in, and the book we go even deeper. But
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we tell their stories in the book and the film,
and once you see the movie and read the book,
you'll understand why we finish with their story because by
that point in the film, Michael, if you well know,
you're realizing we're facing the same ideologies, the same evils,
the same doctrines of demons, the same world views. We're
still facing eugenics today. And we're fools if we think
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that somehow we're too enlightened to free in America to
ever repeat the mistakes of the genocidal maniac of the
twentieth century. That kind of tyranny and evil just takes
a little longer to arrive fully on stage in America
because our form of government. But it's just made us
more asleep, and so we decided to do we had
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to visit the locations where evil really reached its natural
and most enous conclusions to remind the blood bot right
of Christ in a Maria Cup that the enemy of
our souls will not rest, he does not take water breaks,
he does not stop for gatorade. And if we are
not vigilant in our defense of life, liberty, little babies,
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all the things God cares most about, one day we'll
wake up and find that there's nothing left to conserve,
and our grandchildren will curse our names for our cowardice
in these days.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Well, the reality is you can. The reality is you
can do a documentary today. If it goes much further,
your fate and my fate will be Hans and Sophie's
fate if we allow it to go any further. You know,
the documentary kind of starts out saying, how do we
get here? And by the way, not just abortion on
demand anytime. I mean, the reality is when does life begin?
It begins when it's wanted, all right, and somebody doesn't
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want it. That's the parts you're going to meet in
this But how did we get here? That and you know,
not knowing what bathrooms to go to, or men playing
women's sports and in women's locker room. We didn't just
get here. In fact, it's been one hundred and thirty
years of planning that has gotten you here. And it's
time you understand that plan. And boy, you connect the
dots of the people that even influenced Margaret Sayger in
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a way that I don't think people have any idea
how well thought out this plot and plan is. It's
not survival of the fittest, it's the fittest exterminating the
defective in the unwanted. And you'll be surprised the strange
bedfellows that have been formed figuratively and literally. They'll get
that when they watch the documentary.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That's right, Michael. Yeah, Well, Margaret Sanyer is a little
teaser here for your listeners, Michael. Margaret Saner wasn't just
like a feminist. She wasn't just like some abortion gal.
She was a socialist, Marxist. She was an anarchist. She
was a free love activist. She was all of the
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radical things that the hippie and free love movement would
become before it was hip and popular. She didn't follow
a path others others had laid. She blazed the trail
where none existed. She's a wicked, wicked woman. She said
things like the marriage bed is the most degenerative influence
in the social order. I mean like the woman launched
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the Negro project, but she was discipled by a guy
named Havelock Ellis who was sort of the Alfred Kinsey
of England, a real sexual weird o' kook. Okay, the
guy hosted orgy's in his homes. There's more to that anyways.
But but Havelock Ellis, who Sanger refers to as her
most significant mentor, Michael.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Wasn't wasn't that the ones she had affair with?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Oh yeah, yep, started an affair with him, along with H. G.
Wells and others. But Havelock Ellis was very special to
Margaret Sanger while she's cheating on her husband and having
her socialist friends in New York raise her children. But
Havelock Ellis was mentored by Francis Galton, and Francis Galton
is known for creating a word for coining a term,
and that term is eugenics. The guy who coined the
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stinking term, Michael is the direct mentor to have Locke
Ellis well Francis Galton, who's the father of the modern
eugenics movement. He was inspired by his half cousin Charles Darwin,
who wrote Origin of Species and the Preservation of the
favored races, who says animal kingdom, survival of the fittest.
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His cousin reads this book and goes, well, if it's
survival of the fittest, then the way we really need
to accomplish that is by the elimination of the unfit.
So we went from man as an animal to obliterate
the week, to sexual chaos, weirdos, to child sacrifice with
Margaret Sanger, with four people directly mentoring each other before
Saner opens up her first planned parenthood clinic in nineteen sixteen.
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And we've only scratched the surface of today's culture and
death show right now.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
All right, Seth Gruber with the White Rose Resistance. The
documentary as the book is called the nineteen sixteen Project.
You can see it free on x the platform beginning
October twenty sixth twenty second. There'll be other platforms for
you to receive this. This this goes back to something
I learned when I was fourteen years old. I think
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this comes by way of either Finny or Ravenhill. But
this generation of believers is responsible for this generation of souls.
Hans and Sophie Gotta we need to get it today.
This is a failure of the church, and this documentary
is going to help you connect dots. Now you're going
to be frightened at how this is all connected, not
just from evolution to eugenics. Let me tell you something
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this ties to. We have all these little tips of
the Iceberg views of sex with underage people or even children,
or some of the darkest things that are starting to
be revealed that's in this. You can connect the dots
from Ellis to Sanger to Hugh Hefner. By the time
this documentary is over, let me tell you something you think,
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and I mean, if you've spent your life like I have,
trying to give a voice to the voiceless, trying to
represent those that are not grand life and the unborn
who have been silenced, who deserve life, libering in pursuit
of happiness. I don't care how deep you're into this.
You don't know nothing until you see this documentary. And
I am convinced I knew nothing, but I'm dangerous now
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that I've seen it. What are you hoping people? I
think this is probably the softest of softball questions. I
don't use any one thing anybody can take away from
this Documentary're gonna take about thirty away and you're going
to see who the enemy really is and it's going
to scare you a little bit. But what are you
hoping they come away with from this documentary? Is there
any one thing over the other?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, Michael, I want people to live differently. I want
the church in America to recognize that when they refuse
to get quote unquote political, or they said, I'm neither
left nor right. I just preached the gospel. I just
listened to Tim Keller servants right, I'm a political I'm
neither left nor right because the Kingdom of God is
above politics and Jesus is neither a Republican or a Democrat,
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which by the way is of course, of course that's true.
But they but they use the Kingdom of God has
order to get out of the jail free card. As
as if they're too holy and righteous, they're called you
a higher thing this physical world that I mean, they
kind of function like gnostics. Actually the physical world is
all going to burn anyways, and so you know, I
just got to save souls. I just got to give
people to the Kingdom, and everything else is just the
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culture war. And that's somehow out of my purview as
a Christian. I want Christians to recognize that you thought
you were being strategic, you thought you were being a
political Actually you were refusing to contend against and preach
against false religion that masquerades as politics to keep the
politically impotent pastors silent who are still under the spell
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of the Johnson Amendment and care more about keeping their
five oh one c three statuses than they do on
putting a smile on the face of King Jesus by
being like Gideon and judges sick and tearing down some
high places for King Jesus. Okay, this is doctrines of demons.
This is the enemy of our soul who wants to
wipe out the image of God from the earth because
while angel were created by God, they don't get redeemed.
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Satan and the third of the angels thrown into hell.
Michael Christ doesn't come to die for them, they're not redeemed.
His blood will not forgive them. It's only human beings
that get that. So he hates the image of God.
He hates human beings because it reminds him that there's
a day on the calendar coming when he will be
thrown into the lake of fire, so in the meantime
will cause as much chaos and heartache as he can.
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This is spiritual and theological that it manifests in the
political and cultural realm. That's our territory as the blood
Bop Bride of Christ, that's our territory as the Church seth.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I can't remember the name of the movie. It was
one of the most shocking movies I've ever seen in
my life. This guy is spending time as an attorney
on death row with this.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Man in the face is a good friend of mine.
It's an incredible thing.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Oh my gosh. You know, when I watched that movie,
I thought, there's somebody that knows Jesus in a way
I dream of who made this movie, because it was
all reversed. But it's really Satan talking to you throughout
the movie. In fact, the person who committed all these murders,
he's victim number one, and he comes out and he's
tormented throughout. But the notion, and I've never seen anybody
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else but this secular movie quote unquote do it showing
Satan's hatred for us based in pure rage and jealousy.
And by the way, that movie also depicts the hatred
of the unborn and to kill us before we ever
even get a chance to live. Yeah, frightening that you
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would bring that up. I think at any point that
the church, in piousness or in political correctness becomes unable
to be salt and unable to be light, you've already
volitionally given up the fight.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
But I would think from the reverse of it, from
an American standpoint, is how can we be one nation
under God into visible with liberty and justice for all,
including the unborn. If we abandon this fight, we can't.
We're not We're going to be responsible and accountable.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah. If you don't get the rights to life right,
you won't get any other rights right. Our founders created
an order of rights, and they knew what they were
talking about. The rights of liberty and pursuit of happiness
don't mean much. In fact, they mean nothing at all.
If you can be killed in the womb, doctor Mildred
Jefferson said, today it is the unborn child. Tomorrow it
is likely to be the elderly or those who are
incurably ill. Who knows, but that a little later it
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may be anyone who has political and moral views that
do not fit into the new distorted order. Okay, but
this is the role of the church. And so at
the White Roads Resistance, Michael, we're trying to put ourselves
out of a job by reawakening the church, mobilizing, educating, training,
We're launching chapters around the country. The film's about to
come out. We've had five hundred and six hundred churches
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screen the film since the middle of June, and another
five hundred about to pick their screening date. Over a
thousand churches we'll have screened this film between the middle
of June and Christmas, and people are already scheduling screenings
in twenty twenty five, when the film will have already
come out. There's an itching and a scra there's an
itch right now on the American Church to act. And
I've probably been in more pulpits on the issue of
pro life in the last three years in American churches
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to anyone else in the world that I'm aware of.
And I've never seen the church more sort of like rumbling,
as if from a long sleep. Now we're not where
we need to be at, Michael, but I think there's
hope Alexander Pope said, hope springs eternal from the human breast.
I think there's always hope. And I've never seen the
church more sort of like like just like hungry to
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act and to do something. And so we're sort of
trying to funnel the church, remind the church that this
is our duty. The pro life movement used to go
by another name, Michael Christendom Christendom Baby. The pro life
movement goes back all the way to the first century,
when Christians were rescuing little abandoned infants who were thrown
outside the city walls in Rome to die from exposure
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to the elements or from the attacks of wild forging beasts,
and raising them as their own and the admonition and
fear of the Lord. This has always been what Christians
have done. They have confronted evil, they have rescued the
innocence of vulnera. They abandoned the unloved in the unlovely.
And we have forgotten who we are, we have forgotten
our mandate. And so as the Church becomes flatulent, disengaged,
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and silent, the left the enemy of our souls, the
secular humanists who set themselves up against the knowledge of
God have taken the ground that we've abdicated, And I
really want people to understand there's no such thing as
moral neutrality. We will not all get coexist bumper stickers.
Someone's religion and someone's worldview will end up being the
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one in charge. And if we don't wake up soon,
not only will we never end the killing your babies
in this country, but you're going to wake up one
day like lock in Genesis, and you're going to find
that the culture of death has come to the front
door of the remnant, now the front door of the righteous,
and they will knock at your door, knock, knock, and
they will say, bring those out that you have with
you so we can have we can rape them in
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the public square, and they will come for your daughters
like they did in Sodom. And you, at that point,
Church are going to have either be like Gideon and
refuse to move, or you can be like a lot
and stand aside and hand over the next generation in
your own posterity on a silver platter to the demonically
inspired culture of death, just so you can remain relevant,
be invited to all the right parties, and keep your
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five oh one C three status. It's cowardice, and it's
time for the church to remember who she is. And
everything we do is towards that end.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It's suicidal, is what it is. All right. I'm going
to end this and probably the most awkward way you've
ever had an interview ended. And by the way, I
don't think we need to go to a lot. You know,
look at what happened a year ago on the ground
in Israel, and look around at the headlines in America today.
We may already be there. We may already be too late.
I don't know, but the moment to awaken is right now.
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Everything you're hearing from Seth and I right now is
our passion. It's a passion that is already has this vision,
has consumed this information and digested this information. This is
not what the documentary is going to look and sound
and feel like. In fact, if you're a very intellectual
person and not very emotional, you're gonna love this documentary.
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You have surrounded yourself with some of the most brilliant minds.
I have to tell you that doctor George Grant was
one of my favorites. And the way you guys stand
there with a chalkboard and lay this timeline out and
explain all these interesting people in how one leads to
the other, then they intersect with each other. All victims
are not the same. The strangest of bedfellows are not
just Ellis sleeping with Margaret Sanger whose sign gets removed
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and gets a free ride. And now it's a celebration
of reproductive rights when it all began as birth control
and abortion. I mean people are going to enjoy the rite.
It's a very intellectual, fact based, emotionless ride. And every
one of you who either claim to be a believer
or think somehow or have been duped somehow to think
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this is a political debate, I can't beseech you, beg you,
and invite you more to see this documentary the nineteen
sixteen Project, if you would like to bring it to
your church, if you would like to start a White
Rose resistance in your area. Any more information, you go
to the nineteen sixteen project dot com and mark the
date the day before my mother's birthday, October twenty second,
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where you can watch this documentary for yourself. I'm trying
to remember what it was about an hour and a
half something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Well, by fast, it's an hour and fifteen minutes, so
it's not too like an hour and fifteen minutes. And
any church in America can host the screening of the
film as well, Michael. So although the public release streaming
online is October twenty two, any church in America can
host the screening right now, and everything goes to the
nineteen sixteen Project dot com. You'll see Eric metaxas pastor
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Jack Kids. Oh, you'll see doctor George Grant, Bill Federer, Jonamanchukwu,
Bishop Wooden, myself, an incredible cast, and pick up the book,
which if you like the film, Michael, and you've been
endorsing it so kindly, the book goes way way, way, way,
way way deeper. Because I'm a weird intellectual adh the
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homeschool kids, and there was so much more I wanted
to put in the film, Michael, but I could I
didn't have the space for it. So the book is
not the same project it is, but it just it
has way more information so that you can get anywhere
you buy books. But I'd encourage people to get it
from the nineteen sixteen Project dot com. And if you
get it from us, it comes with a timeline. If
you get it from US not Amazon. It comes with
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a fold out timeline in the hardcover is a mimic
of the chalkboard.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Is the chalkboard in the documentary? Yeah, I would love
to have that. Listen, you know this is used all
to m This is going to blow your mind.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
This is going to blow up. Let me give you
him a one Easter egg, Michael, because time. Let me
give him one Easter egg. You might find out that
the founding board member of Planned Parenthood was so well
loved by the Nazis that one of Hitler's top henchmen
and race anthropologists referred to the founding board member of
Planned Parenthood as the spiritual father of Nazi Germany. And
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he was also a high official of the Massachusetts KKK.
That's just one of the Easter eggs that you'll find
in the history of Planned parent had the abortion movement,
the sexual revolution, because all this stuff all goes together,
and like Francis Shaper said, you can't deal with these
things and bits and pieces. The church has to learn
how to deal with these issues in totalities by recognizing
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the world views and animate these evils.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Thank God for your life and thank God for your work.
I encourage everybody to go to the nineteen sixteen Project
dot com, whether it's to host a viewing at your church,
and then look forward to October twenty second on the platform.
X and I just can't encourage you enough to watch
this documentary. I thought I knew everything, only to realize
I knew nothing. Thank you Seth so much.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Thank you Michael, Bless you brother,
I know you're familiar with all the abortion narratives, the
political narratives, it's my body, leave me alone, lending a
voice to the unborn. Those are the narratives, those are
the positions. But what's the real history, the real people
behind this movement. The name of the documentary is the
same name as the book, The nineteen sixteen Project, and
(00:22):
its writer is Seth Gruber. We sat down with him
to talk about abortion, its history, and the true frightening enemy,
and we started with a little bit about him, because
the making of a messenger is always as important as
the message.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, Michael. Yeah. Thank you so much
for your voice. And we need to amplify more of
these voices because this stuff has been hidden from the
American people for so long, and I decided it was
time to kind of blow the cover off. I'm a
former homeschool kid raised in Los Angeles County. My mother
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was the director of a pregnancy resource center before they
were as well, let's say, as hip and cool on
the right and has hated and targeted on the left
as they are now. She was leading one of those
in AZEUSA, California, in Los Angeles County and she was
in her late twenties in the late eighties, and then
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I was born in ninety one, and she was waddling
around the pregnancy center pregnant with me, loving on moms
and helping save babies. In fact, she would often babiesit
the toddlers whose lives she helped save as unborn children
because the degenerate deadbie boyfriend wasn't in the picture. So
I was then homeschooled. We supported our local pregnancy center
(01:40):
growing up. I helped raise funds for them as a kid.
Fast tracked to public high school. There's actually Nixon's alma mater.
What are your high school senior year? I picked the
topic of abortion. It's my senior project, Michael. And they say, well,
you can't pick the topic of abortion. And I said,
here's a copy of the Constitution. You're making me reading
government class. I recommend you read it or you're going
(02:01):
to have a lawsuit on your hands. So in two
thousand and nine, at eighteen years old, I threatened to
sue my high school. They backed off real quick, and
I did my senior project on abortion. And it was
in those volunteering hours in order to graduate that I
saw for the first time, mutilated, aborted, dissected baby photos
(02:22):
of unborn children killed and aborted in between five and
ten weeks, all in the first trimester, little hands and
feet and noses and eyes, and this destroyed me. I
went to a fake Christian college in Santa Barbara called
Westmont College somewhere if your listeners are listening, you should
never send your children to. And I found that there's
(02:45):
pro abortion faculty professors on the payroll. So I started
the first pro life club that had ever been there.
I challenged the institution for not taking a position on
killing little babies and for hiring professors who I guess
would have boarded Christ in the womb, I guess. And
then I started speaking full time when I graduated, and
(03:05):
we launched the White Rose Resistance right after the overturning
of Roversus Wade. We're now the fastest growing for a
life organization in America and we're trying to put ourselves
out of a job.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I was just going to say, and I cannot wait
to explain to them why you chose that name. You know,
I come across brothers and sisters all the time, and
being light in darkness and being God in the midst
of an ungodly world, which is the highest calling. And
people's reaction is often, where do you get this knowledge?
Where do you get this thirst? Where do you get
this courage? The fingerprints of God are all over people
(03:37):
like you. Nothing was by chance from whom whose womb
you came through what you watched her do for a lifetime,
what was born in you, through what you saw and
what you experienced. This is what I call the making
of the messenger, and I always start there because the
trusted making of the messenger has a lot to do
with trusting the message. And there is no more powerful
(04:01):
message on planet Earth right now than the nineteen sixty
Project documentary. I'm sitting here with a flag made out
of wood, and somebody asked me have a guy. He's
very gifted. He makes these beautiful flags out of wood
and he puts quotes on them. I know you're a
big fan of John F.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Kennedy.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
What's your favorite John F. Kennedy quote? And the one
that he put on it is the one that I
told them, too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion
without the discomfort of thought. John F. Kennedy, That's never
more true than with the abortion issue, everybody takes an
immediate position. And by the way, this documentary is not
(04:40):
necessarily for the pro abortionists out there that think it's
as simple as it's a woman's body. This is for
everybody that has spent their life being passionate, passionately pro life.
You don't know the history, you haven't connected the dots,
you don't even get the issue. And at the end
of this documentary you're going to see you are face
to face with Lucifer himself that it shouldn't shock you
(05:01):
he comes after children, and it shouldn't shock you that
he is the author of death. But when you started collecting,
when you started connecting all these dots, I'm telling you,
this is a documentary you've got to watch fifteen sixteen
times and you surround yourself by very brilliant people. But
in your life, have you ever seen an issue that
applies to this John F. Kennedy quote more than abortion.
(05:22):
For the pro choice or pro death and the pro
life they don't get it at all. They have an opinion,
they have a position, but they don't get the history.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And they must That's right, Michael, that's very well said. Brother.
I do I would like you listen, brother, so Hileaire
Block GK. Chesterton's best friend. They were such good friends.
People call them Chester Block. Hilena Block once said, to
comprehend the history of a thing is to unlock the
mysteries of its presence, but more to discover the profundities
(05:56):
of its future. In other words, we don't study the
past is to like you know, tinker and poke around
and debate about what happened when and how we study
the past understand like how that's still happening now and
where this will continue to go moving forward if nothing changes.
In Hoseah four six, God says, my people are being
(06:18):
destroyed for lack of knowledge, meaning it's actively happening now.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And I think that that Hebrew translates to their overcome.
You're just conquered, yeap, and we are being and that,
by the way, and by design, is the endgame of this.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
We're talking with Seth Grueber nineteen sixty. Project is a
must see documentary. You'll be coming out on x October
twenty second. After that, there'll be other platforms, and this
is a must for everyone to see before you can
even begin to understand the abortion issue, which has become
one of the top issues of this presidential election. I
don't say this to sound prideful. I say this to
(06:56):
give you the highest compliment. There's not a lot of
things that I our take in where I learned something.
Throughout this documentary, I was constantly learning. And I am
somebody who at fourty this is where we're all like
Seth at fourteen years old. Guess who I was studying,
Dear Derek Bonhoffen, all right, and you know, and I
thought I knew everything about what went on there, and
(07:17):
then you introduced me to Hans and Sophie. I want
to start with the name of your organization, the White
Rose Resistance. One of the greatest stories of I think
encourage truth being the church, which is not a place
you go. It's something we are that I have ever
heard in my life. And why it took your documentary
(07:38):
to introduce that to me, I don't know. But I'm
so grateful to know Hans and Sophie's story, and they'd
be so proud of you right now.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Amen, Yeah, thank you, Migrea. We named our third child,
our daughter, Sophie, after Sophie of the White Rose Resistance.
And once you watch this film, and by the way,
it's the book as well. The book is called the
nineteen sixteen Project, the subtitle The Lying, the Way, the
War We're in, The Lying, the Witch and the War
We're in, and the book we go even deeper. But
(08:05):
we tell their stories in the book and the film,
and once you see the movie and read the book,
you'll understand why we finish with their story because by
that point in the film, Michael, if you well know,
you're realizing we're facing the same ideologies, the same evils,
the same doctrines of demons, the same world views. We're
still facing eugenics today. And we're fools if we think
(08:27):
that somehow we're too enlightened to free in America to
ever repeat the mistakes of the genocidal maniac of the
twentieth century. That kind of tyranny and evil just takes
a little longer to arrive fully on stage in America
because our form of government. But it's just made us
more asleep, and so we decided to do we had
(08:49):
to visit the locations where evil really reached its natural
and most enous conclusions to remind the blood bot right
of Christ in a Maria Cup that the enemy of
our souls will not rest, he does not take water breaks,
he does not stop for gatorade. And if we are
not vigilant in our defense of life, liberty, little babies,
(09:11):
all the things God cares most about, one day we'll
wake up and find that there's nothing left to conserve,
and our grandchildren will curse our names for our cowardice
in these days.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Well, the reality is you can. The reality is you
can do a documentary today. If it goes much further,
your fate and my fate will be Hans and Sophie's
fate if we allow it to go any further. You know,
the documentary kind of starts out saying, how do we
get here? And by the way, not just abortion on
demand anytime. I mean, the reality is when does life begin?
It begins when it's wanted, all right, and somebody doesn't
(09:43):
want it. That's the parts you're going to meet in
this But how did we get here? That and you know,
not knowing what bathrooms to go to, or men playing
women's sports and in women's locker room. We didn't just
get here. In fact, it's been one hundred and thirty
years of planning that has gotten you here. And it's
time you understand that plan. And boy, you connect the
dots of the people that even influenced Margaret Sayger in
(10:06):
a way that I don't think people have any idea
how well thought out this plot and plan is. It's
not survival of the fittest, it's the fittest exterminating the
defective in the unwanted. And you'll be surprised the strange
bedfellows that have been formed figuratively and literally. They'll get
that when they watch the documentary.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That's right, Michael. Yeah, Well, Margaret Sanyer is a little
teaser here for your listeners, Michael. Margaret Saner wasn't just
like a feminist. She wasn't just like some abortion gal.
She was a socialist, Marxist. She was an anarchist. She
was a free love activist. She was all of the
(10:48):
radical things that the hippie and free love movement would
become before it was hip and popular. She didn't follow
a path others others had laid. She blazed the trail
where none existed. She's a wicked, wicked woman. She said
things like the marriage bed is the most degenerative influence
in the social order. I mean like the woman launched
(11:11):
the Negro project, but she was discipled by a guy
named Havelock Ellis who was sort of the Alfred Kinsey
of England, a real sexual weird o' kook. Okay, the
guy hosted orgy's in his homes. There's more to that anyways.
But but Havelock Ellis, who Sanger refers to as her
most significant mentor, Michael.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Wasn't wasn't that the ones she had affair with?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Oh yeah, yep, started an affair with him, along with H. G.
Wells and others. But Havelock Ellis was very special to
Margaret Sanger while she's cheating on her husband and having
her socialist friends in New York raise her children. But
Havelock Ellis was mentored by Francis Galton, and Francis Galton
is known for creating a word for coining a term,
and that term is eugenics. The guy who coined the
(11:57):
stinking term, Michael is the direct mentor to have Locke
Ellis well Francis Galton, who's the father of the modern
eugenics movement. He was inspired by his half cousin Charles Darwin,
who wrote Origin of Species and the Preservation of the
favored races, who says animal kingdom, survival of the fittest.
(12:17):
His cousin reads this book and goes, well, if it's
survival of the fittest, then the way we really need
to accomplish that is by the elimination of the unfit.
So we went from man as an animal to obliterate
the week, to sexual chaos, weirdos, to child sacrifice with
Margaret Sanger, with four people directly mentoring each other before
Saner opens up her first planned parenthood clinic in nineteen sixteen.
(12:39):
And we've only scratched the surface of today's culture and
death show right now.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
All right, Seth Gruber with the White Rose Resistance. The
documentary as the book is called the nineteen sixteen Project.
You can see it free on x the platform beginning
October twenty sixth twenty second. There'll be other platforms for
you to receive this. This this goes back to something
I learned when I was fourteen years old. I think
(13:05):
this comes by way of either Finny or Ravenhill. But
this generation of believers is responsible for this generation of souls.
Hans and Sophie Gotta we need to get it today.
This is a failure of the church, and this documentary
is going to help you connect dots. Now you're going
to be frightened at how this is all connected, not
just from evolution to eugenics. Let me tell you something
(13:30):
this ties to. We have all these little tips of
the Iceberg views of sex with underage people or even children,
or some of the darkest things that are starting to
be revealed that's in this. You can connect the dots
from Ellis to Sanger to Hugh Hefner. By the time
this documentary is over, let me tell you something you think,
(13:52):
and I mean, if you've spent your life like I have,
trying to give a voice to the voiceless, trying to
represent those that are not grand life and the unborn
who have been silenced, who deserve life, libering in pursuit
of happiness. I don't care how deep you're into this.
You don't know nothing until you see this documentary. And
I am convinced I knew nothing, but I'm dangerous now
(14:14):
that I've seen it. What are you hoping people? I
think this is probably the softest of softball questions. I
don't use any one thing anybody can take away from
this Documentary're gonna take about thirty away and you're going
to see who the enemy really is and it's going
to scare you a little bit. But what are you
hoping they come away with from this documentary? Is there
any one thing over the other?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, Michael, I want people to live differently. I want
the church in America to recognize that when they refuse
to get quote unquote political, or they said, I'm neither
left nor right. I just preached the gospel. I just
listened to Tim Keller servants right, I'm a political I'm
neither left nor right because the Kingdom of God is
above politics and Jesus is neither a Republican or a Democrat,
(14:58):
which by the way is of course, of course that's true.
But they but they use the Kingdom of God has
order to get out of the jail free card. As
as if they're too holy and righteous, they're called you
a higher thing this physical world that I mean, they
kind of function like gnostics. Actually the physical world is
all going to burn anyways, and so you know, I
just got to save souls. I just got to give
people to the Kingdom, and everything else is just the
(15:19):
culture war. And that's somehow out of my purview as
a Christian. I want Christians to recognize that you thought
you were being strategic, you thought you were being a
political Actually you were refusing to contend against and preach
against false religion that masquerades as politics to keep the
politically impotent pastors silent who are still under the spell
(15:39):
of the Johnson Amendment and care more about keeping their
five oh one c three statuses than they do on
putting a smile on the face of King Jesus by
being like Gideon and judges sick and tearing down some
high places for King Jesus. Okay, this is doctrines of demons.
This is the enemy of our soul who wants to
wipe out the image of God from the earth because
while angel were created by God, they don't get redeemed.
(16:02):
Satan and the third of the angels thrown into hell.
Michael Christ doesn't come to die for them, they're not redeemed.
His blood will not forgive them. It's only human beings
that get that. So he hates the image of God.
He hates human beings because it reminds him that there's
a day on the calendar coming when he will be
thrown into the lake of fire, so in the meantime
will cause as much chaos and heartache as he can.
(16:24):
This is spiritual and theological that it manifests in the
political and cultural realm. That's our territory as the blood
Bop Bride of Christ, that's our territory as the Church seth.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I can't remember the name of the movie. It was
one of the most shocking movies I've ever seen in
my life. This guy is spending time as an attorney
on death row with this.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Man in the face is a good friend of mine.
It's an incredible thing.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Oh my gosh. You know, when I watched that movie,
I thought, there's somebody that knows Jesus in a way
I dream of who made this movie, because it was
all reversed. But it's really Satan talking to you throughout
the movie. In fact, the person who committed all these murders,
he's victim number one, and he comes out and he's
tormented throughout. But the notion, and I've never seen anybody
(17:11):
else but this secular movie quote unquote do it showing
Satan's hatred for us based in pure rage and jealousy.
And by the way, that movie also depicts the hatred
of the unborn and to kill us before we ever
even get a chance to live. Yeah, frightening that you
(17:32):
would bring that up. I think at any point that
the church, in piousness or in political correctness becomes unable
to be salt and unable to be light, you've already
volitionally given up the fight.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
But I would think from the reverse of it, from
an American standpoint, is how can we be one nation
under God into visible with liberty and justice for all,
including the unborn. If we abandon this fight, we can't.
We're not We're going to be responsible and accountable.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah. If you don't get the rights to life right,
you won't get any other rights right. Our founders created
an order of rights, and they knew what they were
talking about. The rights of liberty and pursuit of happiness
don't mean much. In fact, they mean nothing at all.
If you can be killed in the womb, doctor Mildred
Jefferson said, today it is the unborn child. Tomorrow it
is likely to be the elderly or those who are
incurably ill. Who knows, but that a little later it
(18:24):
may be anyone who has political and moral views that
do not fit into the new distorted order. Okay, but
this is the role of the church. And so at
the White Roads Resistance, Michael, we're trying to put ourselves
out of a job by reawakening the church, mobilizing, educating, training,
We're launching chapters around the country. The film's about to
come out. We've had five hundred and six hundred churches
(18:44):
screen the film since the middle of June, and another
five hundred about to pick their screening date. Over a
thousand churches we'll have screened this film between the middle
of June and Christmas, and people are already scheduling screenings
in twenty twenty five, when the film will have already
come out. There's an itching and a scra there's an
itch right now on the American Church to act. And
I've probably been in more pulpits on the issue of
pro life in the last three years in American churches
(19:06):
to anyone else in the world that I'm aware of.
And I've never seen the church more sort of like rumbling,
as if from a long sleep. Now we're not where
we need to be at, Michael, but I think there's
hope Alexander Pope said, hope springs eternal from the human breast.
I think there's always hope. And I've never seen the
church more sort of like like just like hungry to
(19:26):
act and to do something. And so we're sort of
trying to funnel the church, remind the church that this
is our duty. The pro life movement used to go
by another name, Michael Christendom Christendom Baby. The pro life
movement goes back all the way to the first century,
when Christians were rescuing little abandoned infants who were thrown
outside the city walls in Rome to die from exposure
(19:47):
to the elements or from the attacks of wild forging beasts,
and raising them as their own and the admonition and
fear of the Lord. This has always been what Christians
have done. They have confronted evil, they have rescued the
innocence of vulnera. They abandoned the unloved in the unlovely.
And we have forgotten who we are, we have forgotten
our mandate. And so as the Church becomes flatulent, disengaged,
(20:11):
and silent, the left the enemy of our souls, the
secular humanists who set themselves up against the knowledge of
God have taken the ground that we've abdicated, And I
really want people to understand there's no such thing as
moral neutrality. We will not all get coexist bumper stickers.
Someone's religion and someone's worldview will end up being the
(20:32):
one in charge. And if we don't wake up soon,
not only will we never end the killing your babies
in this country, but you're going to wake up one
day like lock in Genesis, and you're going to find
that the culture of death has come to the front
door of the remnant, now the front door of the righteous,
and they will knock at your door, knock, knock, and
they will say, bring those out that you have with
you so we can have we can rape them in
(20:53):
the public square, and they will come for your daughters
like they did in Sodom. And you, at that point,
Church are going to have either be like Gideon and
refuse to move, or you can be like a lot
and stand aside and hand over the next generation in
your own posterity on a silver platter to the demonically
inspired culture of death, just so you can remain relevant,
be invited to all the right parties, and keep your
(21:14):
five oh one C three status. It's cowardice, and it's
time for the church to remember who she is. And
everything we do is towards that end.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It's suicidal, is what it is. All right. I'm going
to end this and probably the most awkward way you've
ever had an interview ended. And by the way, I
don't think we need to go to a lot. You know,
look at what happened a year ago on the ground
in Israel, and look around at the headlines in America today.
We may already be there. We may already be too late.
I don't know, but the moment to awaken is right now.
(21:44):
Everything you're hearing from Seth and I right now is
our passion. It's a passion that is already has this vision,
has consumed this information and digested this information. This is
not what the documentary is going to look and sound
and feel like. In fact, if you're a very intellectual
person and not very emotional, you're gonna love this documentary.
(22:04):
You have surrounded yourself with some of the most brilliant minds.
I have to tell you that doctor George Grant was
one of my favorites. And the way you guys stand
there with a chalkboard and lay this timeline out and
explain all these interesting people in how one leads to
the other, then they intersect with each other. All victims
are not the same. The strangest of bedfellows are not
just Ellis sleeping with Margaret Sanger whose sign gets removed
(22:26):
and gets a free ride. And now it's a celebration
of reproductive rights when it all began as birth control
and abortion. I mean people are going to enjoy the rite.
It's a very intellectual, fact based, emotionless ride. And every
one of you who either claim to be a believer
or think somehow or have been duped somehow to think
(22:48):
this is a political debate, I can't beseech you, beg you,
and invite you more to see this documentary the nineteen
sixteen Project, if you would like to bring it to
your church, if you would like to start a White
Rose resistance in your area. Any more information, you go
to the nineteen sixteen project dot com and mark the
date the day before my mother's birthday, October twenty second,
(23:10):
where you can watch this documentary for yourself. I'm trying
to remember what it was about an hour and a
half something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Well, by fast, it's an hour and fifteen minutes, so
it's not too like an hour and fifteen minutes. And
any church in America can host the screening of the
film as well, Michael. So although the public release streaming
online is October twenty two, any church in America can
host the screening right now, and everything goes to the
nineteen sixteen Project dot com. You'll see Eric metaxas pastor
(23:39):
Jack Kids. Oh, you'll see doctor George Grant, Bill Federer, Jonamanchukwu,
Bishop Wooden, myself, an incredible cast, and pick up the book,
which if you like the film, Michael, and you've been
endorsing it so kindly, the book goes way way, way, way,
way way deeper. Because I'm a weird intellectual adh the
(24:00):
homeschool kids, and there was so much more I wanted
to put in the film, Michael, but I could I
didn't have the space for it. So the book is
not the same project it is, but it just it
has way more information so that you can get anywhere
you buy books. But I'd encourage people to get it
from the nineteen sixteen Project dot com. And if you
get it from us, it comes with a timeline. If
you get it from US not Amazon. It comes with
(24:22):
a fold out timeline in the hardcover is a mimic
of the chalkboard.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Is the chalkboard in the documentary? Yeah, I would love
to have that. Listen, you know this is used all
to m This is going to blow your mind.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
This is going to blow up. Let me give you
him a one Easter egg, Michael, because time. Let me
give him one Easter egg. You might find out that
the founding board member of Planned Parenthood was so well
loved by the Nazis that one of Hitler's top henchmen
and race anthropologists referred to the founding board member of
Planned Parenthood as the spiritual father of Nazi Germany. And
(24:59):
he was also a high official of the Massachusetts KKK.
That's just one of the Easter eggs that you'll find
in the history of Planned parent had the abortion movement,
the sexual revolution, because all this stuff all goes together,
and like Francis Shaper said, you can't deal with these
things and bits and pieces. The church has to learn
how to deal with these issues in totalities by recognizing
(25:19):
the world views and animate these evils.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Thank God for your life and thank God for your work.
I encourage everybody to go to the nineteen sixteen Project
dot com, whether it's to host a viewing at your church,
and then look forward to October twenty second on the platform.
X and I just can't encourage you enough to watch
this documentary. I thought I knew everything, only to realize
I knew nothing. Thank you Seth so much.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Thank you Michael, Bless you brother,
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