11-19-24 YMS HR3

Death of journalism meets birth of digital dominance

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
This is your morning Show with Michael.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Gil Charnon on this Tuesday, November the nineteenth, the ye
of our Lord to twenty twenty four, Rise and shine
and good morning. As we said earlier, suspend the belief
that you you only have today left to live. That's
the way I want you to make it count today.
Make a difference in someone's life, Cherish and embrace yours,

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live it and live it well. Seven minutes after the hour,
President elect Trump has tapped Wisconsin representative and Fox Business
host Sean Duffy. Nine children we've confirmed and all birth,
none adopted. That's a family man. Wow. He's also now
slated to be the Transportation Secretary. I guess you'll finish
the job of going after those racist bridges Pete Pete's

(01:19):
been targeting. And today marks the one thousandth to day
of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I love this story
because a thousand days ago, Joe Biden's response to the
Russian invasion was to send a getaway plane to the
Ukrainian president. Here we are a thousand days later, and
now Joe Biden is giving him the ok to use

(01:41):
US long range missiles into Russia where North Korean troops
are along the border. If he'd had gotten his way
four years ago, they'd be a Russian territory today now,
escalating and pushing US towards World War three before Donald
Trump can take office. And if you fell asleep, and

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we completely understand the Cowboys after all, fell asleep early
in the first quarter. They lost thirty four to ten
last night to the Houston Texans. Cowboys fall to seven
and three. Good kick gobbage, all right. I want to
have David Sonati, who is the CEO of the American
Policy Roundtable. I think their crown jewels the public square
heard on two hundred stations and the Crown Jewel. Of

(02:23):
the Crown Jewel is their presentation of Christmas in America
this year at the behest of my wife, who I'm sure,
David you have had some resentment towards nineteen seventy three
has been a tremendous challenge, and it's turned out to
be a tremendous jewel. What a treat the Sunday after

(02:44):
Thanksgiving for Nashville and the week after that in Ohio
and for all listening. And by the way, I was
talking with management, you know, I broadcast from the Chris
Berry Studios in the Bill May Broadcast Complex in Nashville,
and we're talking about making Christmas in America our Christmas
Day and Day After Christmas shows. And I want to

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feature nineteen seventy three this year's and also we'll have
to probably handpick two from previous years. But every year
you find the manger in a year in history, and
you know, I'll never forget. I was at a restaurant
in Tulsa, Oklahoma, McGill's Shameless Plug, Great Steak, and I
had to go to the bathroom and there I am
standing at the jourinal and I see they had sayings

(03:25):
all over the wall. And here's this one. Life is
best understood looking back, unfortunately, must be lived looking forward.
That's never more true than it is every year in
your journey of finding the major in Christmas in America.
And it'll be that way in nineteen seventy three, which
is going to look remarkably similar to twenty twenty four
in many ways.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, good morning, Michael and Jeffrey. I apologize, thank you
for dinging my phone.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Michael.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
I was actually working on the script.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh you zoned out, you were gonna I was prepared
to do this whole segment myself.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
No, no, no, no, I I was all lined up ready
to go. I was hit one button. There we are.
But I was so absorbed. And here's what's really weird.
People may have a hard time with this. You and
I never have a chance to preset our visits together.
We might share a few lines or a few stories
back and forth, but we're kind of been doing this
for a long long time together.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, one of the.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Songs from nineteen seventy three that is going to be
a part of the show, and I was just working
on developing a whole new segment approach on this is
Jim Croche's saw him Time in a bottle, which absolutely
tells the story of what you just said, the idea
that we don't do time very well. Now, let me
just put a pin in that right now for one second,

(04:40):
because the contrary to your opinion, I am very grateful
that your dear wife and ended us last year. Why
don't you consider nineteen seventy three. And I listened and
pursued that and then got trapped into the year. And
I'm incredibly grateful because of all the things I've been
learning and doing the research, and here's one of them.

(05:01):
If you take a look at the story of nineteen
seventy three. We were so absorbed in our problems in
nineteen and they were mighty problems. This country was a
wreck in nineteen seventy three. In fact, everywhere you go
people say the same thing as I survey them about
this particular year. They all say, my memories that year

(05:21):
was horrible, but the music was great. That's what they
all say.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
And not a coincidence. By the way.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
No, when I talk about horrible, we're talking about a
government completely falling apart. We hadn't seen an impeachment proceeding
since the Civil war, which means we'd never seen one.
We were in the midst of just inaugurating a president
in January of nineteen seventy three, and by October he
was on his way out of office in Pete, about
to be impeached.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Think about that.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
That is staggering in regards to the crisis of the
collapse of our administration. People were losing their minds. We
had gas lines everywhere. Michael, you couldn't get gas unless
you had your even an odd plate numbers lined up
and you could find it.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Well, well, you're the Arab You're the creator in this.
I am the spectator, and I will tell you there
is profound insight that we can learn from ourselves finding
the manger in nineteen seventy three and twenty twenty four
and nineteen seventy three is Roe v. Wade twenty twenty
four Abortion was all on the left really ran for

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president of the United States as a virtue. So you'll
get all that. But you know, you said something, and
I hope we're doing time in a bottle. I'm a
big Jim Croachy fan. And he burst onto the scene
like a lightning bolt and left just as quickly By
the way keeping a promise. He was a nobody to
appear for five hundred dollars on a university campus, and

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the concert got canceled. A year later, he is the
biggest thing in music, and he keeps his promise and
goes back there for five hundred dollars in the plane crashes.
Jim Crochi's just a great story in and of itself.
But we don't do time. Well, that's the most powerful
thing we've ever said on the radio, because I actually believe,
and we've had this conversation off the air. The biggest
difference between how we're going to spend eternity and how

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you're spending today where eternity has already begun and in progress,
is time. That's the element you're not going to feel
an eternity. And if I could get you to get
I'm plug from time right now, you would live as
you're going to live in heaven, busy about your father's business,
with no sense of time and forever. But we do
live by time, and we mark that time, and we

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do understand better looking back. I can't encourage you enough
to listen. You'll person be available on the iHeartRadio app.
It's available at the public Square dot com. And there
are past Christmas shows you can go back and listen to,
and we're going to feature some of them here. I
want to move on to our conversation, I think, and
you have no idea what I'm going to bring up.
I don't think unless you were really listening earlier, and

(07:58):
that is I was sneaking up on you a little bit. Okay, well,
and then of course my listeners are as add and
smart alegy as me. So then we went into a
long discussion about Blockbuster video. That was just a part
of the analogy for crying out loud. But we're living
in a unique time, you know. I have spoke for
years about the death of journalism. We went from media
bias to blatant bias to just the death of journalism,

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which is the result of losing its credibility. There is
no audience, there is no revenue, there is no influence.
This election is proof of that, especially where Donald Trump
did campaign that Kamala Harris refused to. They were still
playing the old model of legacy mainstream media. Donald Trump
and his team moved on to the future, the digital

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and podcast world. So here we sit in time and
I brought up Christmas in America because it really is
about time every year. So in the real moment right now,
speaking of time, we're living in a moment where journalism
is dead. It's not going to come back to life.
There's no resurrecting cable news. There's no resurrecting ABC, NBCCBS,
there's no resurrecting the old model of newspapers. It's dead

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and it's dead forever. But you're simultaneously living in a
moment in the birth of digital dominance in podcasting. Boy,
there's a moment in time to ponder and what does
that do to the way we communicate truth today and
moving forward?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
You couldn't ask a better question and have a better
setup than looking back in nineteen seventy three. Ironically, in
this particular show, the hub of our point of discovery
of entering into the conversation is a feature article from
the cover of December twenty fourth Time magazine. So there's
the word time, time, time, time, time. And what's ironic

(09:45):
is they're predicting what the future is going to look
like for America's children. All right, So let's go fifty
one years past that and ask ourselves the question what
did they miss, Well, they only miss the entire introduction
of the digital era.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah all together. Now what you're talking.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
About is actually an extension of that era and how
things have changed. Here's my question, what are you and
I'm missing right now? Right now we're saying, okay, podcasting
is now the new diving board. We're all jumping off
of into a whole new world of how we're going
to communicate with each other. Well, back in nineteen seventy three,

(10:24):
one of the hottest items for Christmas was a Polaroid
camera because it did about three things. At the same time,
we had viewfinders in nineteen seventy three, the little slide
projectors that you if you were really a rich kid,
you got to have one in your house.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
I go back to back to the future. They thought
everything was going to be the TV. It turned out
to be the fault.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
Isn't that incredible? So we see now podcasting being the
next step. My question is what's past podcasting? Because what
the digital era has done that no one saw coming.
And here's the big catch in all of it, Michael,
nobody saw the kids who were being born that year
who would be the people who would create the entire

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concept of Google.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
We were both born in nineteen seventy, David's and not
joining us. All right, so here's the deal. We don't
go to Blockbuster anymore. You want a movie, you stream it,
and you can stream it right on your phone. You know,
you don't have to go catch it at the theater
or wait for a network to play it two years later,
or even go rent it, not even if you want.
We found the last Blockbuster by the ways, and Ben
Ben Oregon, who we're thinking about broadcasting live from there.

(11:28):
But then I thought you should. But then I thought about, well,
what would I do? I don't have a VHS. How
would I play the video? Even if you run one
membership card too on top of every and I'm sure
I've got a late fee somewhere. But you know, like
take newspapers. Newspapers are dead. Why Well, because they were
so biased. I mean they were selling an anesthetical worldview

(11:49):
to the very people that were paying for Well, it
died of bias, but it also died of technology. It's
yesterday's news. Today news is immediate now, so there is
no model for the newspaper. My bigger question is, even
if we move digital and even if we move podcast,
and we certainly are, journalism is dead in its old form.

(12:11):
Look at the people that are succeeding now. With the
exception of Joe Rogan, who's the biggest and the best
and the most successful. Who would have thought that this
comedian would have this level of influence, influence and viewership.
But the rest are primarily talent from the old medium.
So you're looking at Tucker Carlson, you're looking at Megan Kelly,

(12:33):
trying to think of the others that are involved in them.
But what fascinates me is the left could never counter
like the right counter biased cable television news with Fox.
But the left has never been able to counter the
influence of talk radio. And when they went into into
the foray and the battle of talk radio, they failed miserably.

(12:55):
They're not translating to this new digital world either. It's
being dominated by conservative thought. So you know, I think
that's equally fascinated and fascinating. And then it got to
the question, how then shall we live? Because you know,
I'm thinking about and this is no slam on Jack Crumbling,
great reporter, and he's talking about fourteen people, fourteen Nazis

(13:15):
that marched in Columbus. Why are we even talking about it?
Why do we care? Why do we care? What MSMB?
You know, this is the old They are obstructionists. They
whip up and gin up turmoil, and then we tried
to diffuse it and defend it. Maybe it's time. I mean,
I think take our cue from the NFL and this
weekend sporting events, whether it was a boxing match or

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the NFL touchdown celebrations, everybody's just kind of moved on.
Are we going to be able to move on and
just report and encourage and celebrate and unite and not
play and stop playing this old obstruction game that is dead?
Why are we responding to what is dead? Why are
we living by what is dead? Well, I know we
got to get to a break, so I'll make this
really quick.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
We always are looking for what the next thing is,
as far as the next package, the next toy, the
next technological development. I would submit to you, in studying history,
whether you go the last fifty years or the last
one hundred and fifty years, the question is a bit different.
Moral authority precedes technology because people are still looking for
what's true and for what's real, and the reason that

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all of those mechanisms have faded out of existence. Isn't
simply technological. It's because they stop looking for the truth
and people stop trusting them.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Does America have interest in the truth? Is it thirsting
for the truth? I don't think it is yet, it's desperate.
I think it's found the lie. I don't know that
it's found the truth.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Well, again, I want to be careful because we're not
sitting on a golf cart, so I don't want to
offend you in front of your listeners.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Off I'm thinking of it's not in it.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
It's in us the human dynamic, whether we can see
it or not, History proofs is always searching for the truth.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
And how does that shape where we're headed? Well that's
the next question because the biggest the reason why, here's
where my thought goes. Because the guy who's on the
top of the mountain of this new digital dominance is
a comedian who doesn't claim to know the truth to
even present the truth. He's just honest enough to look
at all things.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Right where the media was is Jordan Peterson right next
to him as a guy who's desperately searching for truth?

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, this is your morning show with Michael Detrono.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
File two minutes of David Znati from the American Policy Roundtable,
host of the Public Square, and the presenter of Christmas
in America. That kind of started this whole journey of
conversation as we find ourselves in a moment of time
fixed between the death of journalism and the birth of
digital dominance. I guess the whole summary to the first
segment is the cream rises to the top, and technology
has moved on to the digital world, and the cream

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that rises to the top will be beholden by the truth.
And that brings us full circle to seventy three, right,
because I think that's where we're at today. I don't
know that America gets the truth yet, but they do
get the lie and that was prevalent in seventy three.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, And if you take a look at it, the
reason that the Nixon administration fell is the same reason
that the Biden administration fell. People decided to make a
change when they realized they were being lied to. Cover ups,
cover ups, cover ups, cover ups, because people are always
searching for the truth, because only the truth will set
us free. We can't stop it. Because we're people of
moral agency and conscience. We can cover it up with

(16:33):
all of the nonsense and sinful behavior that you want,
but down deep inside you still got to sleep at night.
This is the reality of history that keeps coming back
when you study it. Hey, everybody's john Ford Coley of England,
Dan and john Ford Coley And my morning show is
your Morning Show with Michael del Jorno.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Hey, it's me Michael. Your Morning show has heard live
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(17:21):
late than never enjoyed the podcast. If I were to
ask you, did we ever save like the most famous
word salad of Kamala. Yeah, because I played earlier just
as a point of therapy Knucklehead's wife, Missus Walls, and
I did that just you know, in case, no matter
what your day is going like and if you're feeling

(17:42):
a little down, look, this person could have been our
second lady crazy eyed and all fifty two days and
we are turned away, Bye bye Donald Trump boy Her
and Tim they may be the strangest part of that
whole journey, a harday hearing. All I ever heard him

(18:03):
do is yell. Well, yeah, they like to yell and scream.
It was all manufactured. Do you have a words out? Oh?

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
You know, Yeah, there we're going. Let me tell you
what's the next? Next up is jay Ja Corne.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Guys, So is there a process that we could recall
Katie Hobbs, put her in her place?

Speaker 2 (18:31):
She has no business in that office anyway.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
It's always a process. Whether it becomes a reality. Time
will tell. I thought the most significant, significant snapshot instat
of the day that I wanted to make sure everybody knew,
uh And I think it it's a nice companion piece
to the half hour conversation we just had with Dave,
SOADDI time best understood looking back, unfortunate has to be

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lived moving forward. If you could put it in a bottle,
but would capture what is the moment we're living? Well,
in that half hour conversation. You're living in the exact
moment where journalism is dead. It's in a casket, it's decomposing,
and it's buried, and it's not coming back to life.
And what is birthing is the digital dominance generation now

(19:21):
that could manifest in digital presentation of immediate information as
well as podcasting. And then when you get to podcasting,
if there's millions of pie, who rises to the top.
Then we identified the role of truth and the nature
of human beings to be in constant pursuit of truth.
The lie of nineteen seventy three was exposed, and that's

(19:43):
what America was fed up with. It saw the lie,
not the truth. I'm convinced we're suspended in time right
now where collectively Americans saw the lie enough Democrat stronghold
voting blocks saw the lie. I don't know that they
see the truth yet. I don't think they've got a

(20:05):
glimpse of it. And I don't just mean eternal truth,
which is very significant in a republic. John Quincy Adams said,
in fact, this form of government is altogether wrong for
an immoral people. So America needs spiritual and moral awakening
as well as it needs cultural awakening. And this is
a heavy topic, but just keep in mind suspended in time,

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caught between the death of old technology, old dissemination of
information and the birth of digital one. And who rises
to the top and how it relates to the future. Well,
one thing is look at young voters. I have been
an Aaron Reyal who used to be on the show
with us. We used to say this all the time.

(20:50):
There's something different about this young generation. I know it
because I just raised it and there was no rebellion.
Now I will say you, like all generations, it didn't
come from me. And that's not new. Coaches, baseball coaches,
football coaches, basketball coaches had more influence over me than

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my parents. Teachers, for those that are scholastically inclined, can
have more influence. Kids don't like to receive from their parents.
They watched their parents and it's registering and it's what's
really hitting the home runs. But they're never going to
sit down with you. Here you wax poetically and go okay, dad,
I believe that too, all right, that's not their nature.

(21:36):
So I lived an example for them. I love them unconditionally.
They knew I was on the radio. They had to
have I mean, I don't even know if any of
my kids. I think my son Nick read my book.
I don't even know if my daughters ever have. I mean,
I think if my dad wrote a book, I'd probably
read it just to see what he was thinking. But they,
I mean, they know I'm on the radio. They must

(21:57):
know my views, but they didn't get them from me.
They instinctively, in the spirit of what we were talking
about with David Snati, they went out in search and
they heard everything, and they gave everybody time. That's why
I always say, you know, I kind of observed through
my kids and through their friends that you know, I

(22:17):
will tell you they don't They probably don't even view
homosexuality as sin. I don't know biblically accurate, that is,
of course, but they don't They buy gay, they don't
buy transgender. I mean, I can see what they buy
and don't buy, and they see through lies and they
see through inconsistencies. They don't buy woke at all at all.

(22:44):
And by the way, they don't arrive at it through
conversation on the radio like we do. They've lived it.
They had little friends that they played with who now
think they're a dog sleeping in dog beds, dressing like
a dog, barking. They see it as mental illness. So
there's something I've witnessed in this generation. They don't even

(23:05):
know it.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
You talk about David's an Audien and Christmas in America.
Last year's was one of my all time favorites, nineteen
twenty eight. And what's the main takeaway? The children raised
in the depression, not good times, The worst times created
the generation that went liberated the world. It maybe Nazi

(23:30):
Europe right now if not for that generation following the
crash and the depression. So I don't know in real time,
living through the depression and soup lines that people said
we're raising a generation that's going to go change the world.
They don't have that perspective. They can't see the future.
So whenever we have conversations looking forward, it's hard to see.

(23:52):
I have sensed for over a decade a generation is
being raised up of the significance of that generation. Now
that gives me pause because I don't know what they're
going to have to save the world from. I want
you to see in this shift of young voters. See
now we know how they voted President elect Donald Trump

(24:16):
made huge inroads with young voters in this past election cycle.
And by the way, guess what put this in your
narrative pipe and smoke it. You might have TikTok to
think Charlie Kirk and others who made a battleground of TikTok,
which most of you, in your righteous dance would have said, China,

(24:36):
it's dangerous. I'll have nothing to do with it. Well,
guess what it's shaped. My kids were up on every
political narrative in this cycle, and they weren't getting from
listening to this show. Fifty six percent of young men
eighteen to twenty nine voted for Donald Trump. These are
the voting box of the future, folks. The youth in

(24:59):
the campuses is what delivered the last You could make
a case the last four presidential victories for Democrats, and
they can't figure out how they lost them. Nearly six
and ten men eighteen to twenty nine voted for Donald Trump.
A major flip. Guess what it was just four years ago?

(25:20):
Four years ago becomes a statistical lifetime. Four years ago,
Joe Biden won fifty six percent of the male eighteen
to twenty nine vote as a lifetime flip. In four years.
Trump also made in roads with young women, who shifted
eleven points towards him from four years ago. Is this

(25:45):
a Trump phenomenon? Is this an our time phenomenon? Or
is this the beginning of a new for all time phenomenon.
While Vice President Kamala Harris ultimately won the majority of
voters under thirty, she won them by just six points,
a quarter of the twenty four percentage points Biden won

(26:06):
them by. You think that's all just explainable, and that
she was that much worse than old Joe Heiden in
a basement during COVID. In the end, this is where
and this kind of goes to another point I made
earlier this morning. Donald Trump has a mandate. You can
feel it, you can see it. But then you go
to the map and you go, well, the only one
with three hundred and twelve Electoral College votes. I mean,
that's not Nixon, that's not Reagan, that's more like Kennedy. Yeah,

(26:30):
but on the issues of going in the wrong direction,
it was a mandate seven out of ten when it's
the economy, when it's the abort it was seven out
of ten. Forty percent of voters under thirty, poll by
the Associated Press, chose the economy as the reason for
their voting. My kids saying am I going to ever
be able to own a home? That woke come up?

(26:56):
Not their tuition or their student loans filling up their
tent to go to school that woke them up. Forty
percent of voters under thirty said it was the economy stupid,
and they weren't convinced that Harris or the Democrats could
fix it let alone. They became convinced they were the problem.

(27:19):
Besides the economy. Guess what was second? Younger voters saw
the Republican ticket as the authentic ticket, by the way,
and that focus group of the New York Times used
of twelve people, I know, I gotta go, but I
got to make this final point. Do you know the
number one word to describe Kamala Harris phony. Here's what's exciting.

(27:41):
Is this a Trump phenomenon? If it is, it's not
even a four year shelf life. This is a generational phenomenon.
The jig is up. Cultural awakening. They see lies, they're
beginning to see truth. Well, then, as John F. Kennedy
would say, you change not just for your time, but

(28:02):
for all time, or as we saw growing up, because
I was roughly exactly my son's age in nineteen eighty
Ronald Reagan eight years hw Bush for four more after
it could be a twelve year reign, easy, twelve year reign,

(28:22):
four years by Trump, eight years by Vance, aybe even
Telsea Gabbard after.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
That, it's your Morning show with Michael del Chno.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
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president wanted to send a getaway plane for the Ukrainian president.
Now I was giving the ok to use US long

(28:54):
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sided affair coming Thursday night, when it's the Browns and
the red hot Pittsburgh Steelers. Well, the murder trial of
the Venezuelan man who was accused of killing nursing student
is underway in Georgia. We played in our Sound of
the Day the testimony from the court as his girlfriend

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explains how they got from a tax payer paid Roosevelt
Hotel in Manhattan to a tax payer paid for plane
ticket to Atlanta, where the murder of Lincoln Riley would
eventually take place. Jack Crumbley's been following this amazing testimony,
this murder trial, which by the way, dovetails with the
president who was elected and has promised to deport criminals

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if only. What do you think we're learning from this
trial so far? Jack?

Speaker 5 (30:06):
You know, I think one of the more interesting parts of.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
This trial involved the technology as part of the prosecution's
presentation of its case. You know, when Lincoln Riley was
jogging on that day in February, she had a smartphone
on her and she also had a smart watch, and
she activated There's.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Evidence that's been presented by.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
The prosecution that she activated the SOS feature on her
phone at nine to ten am that morning. Also, you know,
wearing the smart watch means it's keeping track of your
heart rate.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
And that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
And they were the prosecution showing that, you know, she
had an elevated heart rate because she was running.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
And then it says that she was running faster for.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
And then you know, also documenting when her heart stopped
at nine twenty eight am. The other part of the
prosecution's case on the technology side, charting where jose Ebari's
phone was during this showing that it was a very
geographically close to Lincoln RYA's phone at the time of
the incident, and that along with DNA evidence showing.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
Taking up a big part of the prosecution's case.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
You know, it's interesting. I think it's been twenty years
ago I first watched forensic files and saw how DNA
changed everything. I mean, Jack, that's no small thing you
bring up. Technology has changed everything, right, I mean that's
what they're seeing right before their eyes in this murder trial.
It pins out, I mean right to the final heartbeat
that brought that just made my hair stand up.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, I mean, it certainly gives the prosecution and investigators
more ways to try to prove their case since they
have the burden of proof.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Life changes, you. You know, it seems like yesterday I
was on very highly rated stations at a very young age.
I look back at that me and go, you didn't
know what you were talking about. You didn't have any perspective.
You get older, you have children of your own, you
viewed these stories differently. That was some risk watch and
when her heart stop. But that's what translates to the

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ultimate part of this case. This was all avoidable for her.
For me, the testimony yesterday of his girlfriend and how
they go from the Roosevelt Hotel that we were all
paying for because of the failed policies of this presidency
to just requesting a plane ticket that took them. You know,
you and I want a plane ticket, We got to
buy it.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
They just requested it. They were sent there to where
the murder took place. This fits the narrative of what
Donald Trump has been describing.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
I don't want to play politics with this, but I
do want to say this particular case is in my
face and the details are breathtaking to me, and this
could be a tip of the iceberg this could be
the case times one hundred and twenty thousand, potentially in
terms of the percentage of criminals that have come through
this poorest border. Very chilling to think of.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
Yeah, and you know a lot of emotions, certainly.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Her family had, not only having to deal with her
being killed and then also now being a part of
that trial and seeing the evidence and you know, like
you just talked about with your hair standing up on
the indication from the smart watch on her time of death.
I mean, seeing that evidence laid out in court. You know,
having to relive all that over again's got to be

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extremely difficult.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, that's the justice for this case. There's probably thousands
examples that didn't get this far to get justice. There's
probably tens of thousands that we can deal with before
it becomes this. This is you know, I guess connecting
the dots between this trial playing out and the battle
in the court from a public opinion over deportation. It'll

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be interesting to see if this case has an effect
beyond just a Venezuelan man.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, certainly, I mean, and certainly this case has garnered
national attention, and again that played a role in the election,
and there's certainly been a political element to all of this.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I don't know who's filling in tomorrow, but I'm I'm
hoping it's you.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
Jack.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Good reporting today. We'll talk again hopefully tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
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