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December 16, 2024 32 mins

Democrats looking back try to figure out why they lost, but, living forward have no way to change.

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Speaker 3 (00:30):
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
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Thanks for waking up with your morning show.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Hi am, Michael Del Droono.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Jeffrey Lyons got the controls rats here if you're just
waking up.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Senator Chuckie Schumer is.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Calling on the Department of Homeland Security to get to
the bottom of things. Who's deploying all these droughts? Get
some technology up there. Oh, it'd be nice to get
a straight answer, right. The mother of Luigi Mangione reportedly
talked to the Feds just hours before her son was
taken into custody, and President Biden is reflecting on his
last four years in office as he gets set after
the holidays, just a few weeks afterwards to depart and

(01:09):
make way for Donald Trump two point zero. And as
we always say, if a picture is worth a thousand words,
what might the sounds of the day be words.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
She's gonna get smoked. He's stopped.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
I really don't know what he said at the end
of this, and I don't think he knows what he
said either.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
It's got to be a big bits understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm going, why do you like my garbage?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I love your garbage truck?

Speaker 5 (01:35):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
There's an old expression in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I went to
the men's room in the middle of a delicious steak
dinner at McGill's, and looking up over the urinal, I read,
life is best understood looking backwards. Unfortunately, it must be
lived looking forward. That's true, Truer than you can imagine.

(02:00):
For Van Jones, obviously, looking back, he suddenly sees everything
crystal clear. Now the question of the day is you
mean he didn't know this before the election?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Listen, Van Jones.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Everybody's going to love this at Fox because it appears
as though he's roasting the Democrats in Kamala Harris. But
think of it more in terms of that McGill's little side.
You mean you didn't know this prior to the election.
You know there's a reckoning inside Democratic Party. Kama Harris

(02:37):
promised us freedom. Well she delivered it to us because
now we're free from having to run anything in Washington,
d C.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
That's not what we were signing up for us what
we got. And I hope the party takes a chance
to look at the fact that we pushed all our
rebels out of this party. We had a rebellion in
our party in twenty sixteen. It was called Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Interesting he would say that I've been preaching this for years.
Hillary Clinton was going to lose that primary. The party
itself had to get involved, using super delegates and other
Shenanigans to take it away from Bernie. They were going

(03:19):
to go to Bernie again in twenty twenty Joe Biden.
He was fourth in Iowa, seventh in New Hampshire. He
was done, but they cut a deal in South Carolina,
hid the old Man in a basement, weaponized COVID, and
managed to finagle it again, this time for Joe Biden.

(03:44):
Then four years later, after trying to hide Joe Biden
in a debate, he reveals his cognitive impairment. Then they
have to go to Kamala Harris. Oh, he's right to
finally remember all of this. But isn't it interesting you
didn't hear him ever bringing this up prior to that.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
He goes on, it was.

Speaker 6 (04:13):
Because now we're free from having to run anything in Washington,
d C. That's not what we were signing up for
us what we got, And I hope the party takes
a chance to look at the fact that we pushed.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
All our rebels out of this party.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
We had a rebellion in our party in twenty sixteen,
it was called Bernie Sanders. You had a rebellion in
your party in twenty sixteen it was called Donald Trump.
Your rebel won, our rebel lost. And then since then
the rebels in our party been pushed out. Rfk was
a rebel inside of our party. He wanted to run
against Joe Biden, fair and square. The DNC wouldn't let him.
Pushed him out. You can walk down the list, don't forget.

(04:52):
Elon Musk was a Andrew Yang Democrat. Four years ago
he's out about us again. We walked down the list.
Joe Rogan was a very favorable to forward Michelle Obama.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
He was a Bernie guy. He's out.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
So there's something that's happened in this party where the
rebels in this party no longer feel like they have
a place, and we've got to be able to talk
about that.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Stuff on so again, the biggest lesson of this is
welcome to what we've been saying for years before. It
happened while it was happening. Now you see it. See
the same thing that didn't allow them to see it
while it was happening won't allow them to keep living it.

(05:33):
My gosh, David is a Natti and I on another
station I worked at, we're talking about that literally eight
years ago. Nine years ago was an outsider referendum election
against all incumbents and the ruling class, and that's what
paved the way for Donald Trump to defeat nineteen in

(05:54):
the primary and go on to become president. They had
an outsider in Bernie Sanders, but they wouldn't allow it,
and they got the altar insider, a former first Lady,
a former Democrat senator, a former Secretary of State, from
a Democrat administration, Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
And a bad candidate to boot.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Now that party is in the midst of a civil
war amongst itself. The Justice Democrats and the Socialist Democrats
are at war with the Democrat Party, which is why
they kept fighting that they couldn't have the nominee come
from the challenging minority party within their party, or they'd
have lost their party. You see the Justice Democrats, and

(06:36):
you can read all about it, why they picked a
bartender AOC and how she defeated a ten term Democrat,
and they brag, we're not targeting low hanging Republican fruit. No,
we're targeting low hanging Democrat establishment Democrat fruit, because we
first want to take over the Democrat Party, then we
want to take over the country. Then we want to

(06:56):
get rid of the electoral College and dismantle the republic.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
What next.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Van Jones is even aware of that, because that's why
you got Hillary, That's why you got Joe Biden and
Kamala That's why you got Trump twice. That's why you'll
get him again going by a different name. By then,
JD Van Sir Marco Rubio whole life, even for the

(07:25):
ignorant understood looking back unfortunately, must be lived looking forward,
which is something they probably wish they did at CNM.
Luigi Mangioni, the suspect in the killing of the United
Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, has retained a high powered New
York attorney, but she's also a former CNN legal analyst
Karen Friedman Agnofilio, and unfortunately, in her CNN contributor role,

(07:53):
she has already commented on the case. She now is
the defense attorney for Listen.

Speaker 7 (07:58):
It looks to me like this there might be an
a not guilty by reason of insanity defense that they're
going to be thinking about, because the evidence is going
to be so overwhelming that he did what he did.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I think i'd play that in court.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yes, fingerprints all over the stuff from Starbucks, the gun matches,
the ballistics match, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Doesn't look good.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Here's Tim Walls, he's making the circuit. He too, is
now looking back and things he's found wisdom as to
why they lost.

Speaker 8 (08:30):
Listen, figuring out a way to make the case to
the public. The American public is is that the Democratic
Party really is focused on the things they care about,
and in this case, they didn't You know they thought,
and it might be true. Not enough focus was put
on inflation and the cost that those brought to people.
Understanding that immigration and border control does matter to people

(08:52):
and it doesn't mean that you're you're cruel or you
don't care. And I think that's something that you know.
In the ninety days I was out there, we apparently
didn't make that connection strongly enough because it was middle
class folks. In a lot of cases, it was folks
that were less than a college degree. These are folks
that are working dang hard. I've always said that the
hardest jobs I've ever did pay me the least amount
of money. So there were folks that weren't voting for

(09:14):
us would be the very folks that I care that
are policies impact and.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
So they're messaging and identity politics has filed the miserably.
This This is a rant, but I want you to
hear the payoff. Now, there's part of me that goes,

(09:41):
what if you what if you turned on to hear
about sports and heard Stephen Smith's doing this Instead he
starts covering the FBI report that there were twenty six
confidential human sources at the Capitol. What was once called
the January sixth conspiracy theory. After all, it could have

(10:01):
only been Trump with the rope in the conservatory. Right
then you find out this bombshell the day before Ray resigns. Well,
it's got a Democrat sports host really upset with the
party that keeps lying to them.

Speaker 9 (10:15):
Listen, So twenty three folks for the FBI win the
crowd and we're just finding that out. Didn't hear anything
about that for the election.

Speaker 10 (10:29):
Didn't hear anything about that when the quote unquote insurrection
was broached by Vice President Kamala Harris as a Democratic nominee,
by President Biden before her, by Democrats in both the
House and the Senate as they articulated the belief that

(10:52):
Donald Trump was a danger to democracy and using this
as a profound, illuminating bullet.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Point to make that case. And now here we are
yet again finding well, fuck, don't you hate that? A
shameless pop pop.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Bad all rights, even more evidence.

Speaker 9 (11:15):
To Donald Trump's claims when he articulated that process is
rigged the Democrats or this, or that they're talking about us,
but look at what they do.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
We don't know all the details. It's a report.

Speaker 10 (11:28):
Justice Department comes out with this, That's not my big issue.
My big issue is that I'm really really sick and
tired every time I turn around finding something else that
the Democrats have lied about or downplayed or misrepresented along
the way.

Speaker 9 (11:46):
Where's the one and a half billion dollars that was
given to the Democratic Party?

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Where's it? Where the money go? I was open to
give the two and a half men, stop it.

Speaker 9 (12:06):
That we're giving that much.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
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Speaker 3 (12:26):
I'm Liam Randon. He sounds like Tim Walls.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
He really does sound like to play that again, he
sounds just like Tim Walls, the vice presidential candidate.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I'm glad report my morning show was your morning show.
I'm Liam rand In. All right.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Well, first of all, Leah is a very very good
our local news anchor. And although we we do her
voice too, because I always picture, you know, she's very
very beautiful and I can just picture calling her husband.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Don't forget to bring the milk. Call Leah Brandon now
you know so?

Speaker 1 (12:58):
But yeah, he sounds like Tim waalts he should come
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Tim Wall the my morning, Joey, is your warning.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Him on the call for.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Top five stories to day Well, Senator Mitt Romney, I'm
sorry who cares about him? President Biden is reflecting on
the last four years as he gets ready to leave
the White House at year's end. Chris Caratio has those details.
Over the weekend, Biden spoke at the DNC holiday reception,
thanking fellow Democrats for helping pass the legislation that he
says will change America for decades to come. He told

(13:37):
crowds that the laws they've helped pass during his administration
have helped grow America's economy and infrastructure, citing trillions spent
in private sector investments across the country. Economic analysts say
President elect Trump is poised to inherit a strong economy
from Biden. In January. I'm Chris Karanjio. The suspect and
the killing of the United Healthcare CEO. Brian Thompson has

(13:57):
retained a high profile attorney. Get the detail from Scott Carr.

Speaker 11 (14:01):
Karen Friedman Agnifilo, who once served as Manhattan's Chief Assistant
District Attorney will represent Luigi Mangioni, her law group Agnifilo
in Trader, confirming that Saturday, saying Agnifilo will not be
making any statements at this time. Mangioni has a preliminary
hearing scheduled in Pennsylvania for December twenty third for charges

(14:22):
related to a three D printed gun and a fake ID.
He's being held without bail. He's been fighting extradition to
New York, where he faces murder charges. I'm Scott Carr.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Now the interesting part of this story is she, of course,
a contributor on CNN had covered this case.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
And now she signed his lead defense.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
After saying, well, the evidence is overwhelming, he might want
to think about insanity. And now she's but her husband's
got the Didty case. So this is a husband and
wife that are attorneys. The husband has the Ditty case
and now she's got the Mangioni case, the two biggest
cases in America.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
He said, She said, who are you voting for? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Can you imagine the month? Boy, they're having a nice Christmas,
aren't they.

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Speaker 14 (16:41):
Do and maybe trying to pull out all the stops here.
But of course, as she's comes from the chief Assistant
District Attorney, she was in Manhattan for seven years under
sie Vance. That office saw a lot of action, of course,
but one of the things that has come up now

(17:02):
is wondering whether insanity is the avenue to go and
what may fall into that category is some of his
online posting, especially on Reddit, coming into play. A lot
of talk about anger or the US healthcare system, and
a lot of talk about how much he was suffering

(17:24):
from his spine and back injury and all of his
run ins with the healthcare system.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
So and you know, we've all been trying to piece
that together. Rub First of all, he was not with
United Healthcare, so there's no well, he had back problems,
he wanted to get this surgery. They wouldn't approve it.
There's none of that. His family was very well to do,
so odds are he wasn't suffering at all from coverage
or the ability to provide care for himself. So it

(17:53):
really is a struggle to find the motive. The evidence
is very clear to see that gun as a match
on the ballistics test. His fingerprints were all over the
items gathered at the Starbucks. Their only play is this
CNN contributor slash defense powerhouse attorney because it's a local play, right,

(18:15):
she knows everybody, every judge, the ins and outs. But
that may be just to get the insanity plea through.

Speaker 14 (18:24):
Yeah, I think so, of course, you know Karen Friedman
Agnivolo also what has taken on other roles. She was
in charge of the trial division, I believe in the
DA's office for a while. And you bring up an
interesting point with what has been presented so far with

(18:45):
the evidence, they may not be as related as you think.
You mentioned the United Healthcare says there is no record
of him as being a customer. Do you have It
may not be specific to United Healthcare, but it could
be also a theme. Uh and some of that has
been in his posting just going against healthcare in general.

(19:09):
And he may have selected United Healthcare based on its
size and the percentage of denials.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Well that and the and profits. I mean, they were
very profitable.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
But you know, that kind of radicalization I don't know
came from insanity as much as it came from sitting
at the University of Pennsylvania. But you know, I was
sitting here looking you. I can't remember this ever happening.
I mean, clearly the two biggest cases in America today
and they're off the size. You know that me Oj
probably one of the biggest cases ever. But I mean

(19:40):
you got the Diddy trial and now you've got MANNGIONI
the two biggest cases in America, and it's a husband
and wife defense team.

Speaker 14 (19:48):
You know, high high profile for sure, and both have
have garnered just so much discussion, and U the discussion
for Mangione hasn't waned, whether you talk about people who
are supporting him and this kind of like folk hero status.

(20:12):
You just always are wondering, now, will this case escalate
to this level where we talk about it on a
regular basis as this advances through the courts.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, I see a lot of money for Christmas presents
in that house. I don't see a lot of conversation
or good types or trips in their near future. That
is going to be a busy husband and wife. All right,
what is over the sky's in New Jersey. Rob's gonna
be back with that story in our third hour. Good reporting, Rob.
The most dangerous part about this case in terms of
precedent is are we, as a defense, or as a

(20:45):
media defense, or in our culture, as a social media defense,
going to really say, oh, the butt is okay? Is
it really okay to harm or take someone's life because
you disagree with them, because they do something that is
countered to your beliefs and agenda. That's a cultural question

(21:06):
we better answer and get right as much as the
jury better get the questions of this case right. Well, no,
we said, today's as easy as it looks. Top five
are really Top two stories Nancy Pelosi gets a new hip,
Trump gets fifteen million for his library from ABC, and

(21:28):
Stepanophilis Mark Mayfield has Today in politics.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is recovering from successful hip
replacement surgery in Germany. New California Senator Adam Scheff said
on Sunday. He has spoken of family members about her condition.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I communicate with.

Speaker 13 (21:42):
Her daughter Christine, and I understand that she's recovering from
the surgery well, so our thoughts are going out to her.
She's an amazing person and as strong and as tough
as she is, I know she'll be back on her
feet soon.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Pelosi's office says she underwent the surgery after getting injured
during a trip.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
To a looks last week.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
The eighty four year old former House speaker was men
of back to Germany's Lone Stool Regional Medical Center for
the operation. And Donald Trump is settling his defamation lawsuit
with ABC News and anchored George Stephanopolos. Trump foiled the
suit back in March after Stephanopoulos said in an interview
that a jury found Trump libel for rape in the
case of E. Gene Carroll. The jury found Trump libel
for it sexual abuse under New York law, but not rape.

(22:22):
New court documents revealed the network agreed to bay out
fifteen million dollars in issue of public apology. In return,
Trump's team is trumping a lawsuit. That's politics. I'm Mark
Mayfield Center.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Mitt Romney is pretty now I still don't care. The
Federal Reserve is set to begin a two day policy meeting.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Tammy Trehilo has more.

Speaker 15 (22:40):
The Federal Reserve is set to begin its two day
policy meeting on Tuesday. The Fed is widely expected to
cut interest rates once again when it announces its decision
on Wednesday. It would be the third and final rate
cut of the year, with most economists expecting a quarter
percent point production. The Federal funds rate, which is the
interest rate banks charge each other for short term loans,
is currently at four and a half percent. I'm Tammy trheo.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
It's that time of the year where we get ready
for Christmas in the New Years, and so you start
getting a lot of these year in reviews, entertainment, year
in reviews, news people we've lost this year, and of
course the year in politics in review. But how I
mean of all the years in politics? I would you
like to try to do this one in sixty seconds?
Good luck, Matt Mattinson. It was an election year we've

(23:26):
never seen before. President Biden dropped out late in the
game after report of bay performance against Donald Trump.

Speaker 16 (23:32):
Are eligible for what I've been able to do with
the with the COVID. I just could be with dealing
with everything we have to do with Yeah, that was bad.

Speaker 17 (23:43):
Look reports say he was pressured by Democrats and Hollywood stars.
Biden spoke to the nation when he stepped down.

Speaker 16 (23:48):
So I've decided the best way forward is it past
the torch for a new generation.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
That's the best way to nine our nation.

Speaker 17 (23:56):
He was replaced as the nominee by Vice President Kamala Harris.
Her campaign seemed to be on track to win the
office with a reported one billion dollars in funds. She
had the backing of major stars like Bruce Springsteen. Trump
ended up winning the White House once again. He defied
the Polsters by sweeping every battleground state and winning the
popular vote. He spoke to his supporters after the win, this.

Speaker 12 (24:17):
Will truly be the golden age of America.

Speaker 17 (24:21):
That's what we have to Matt Mattinson, NBC News Radio.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, in the end, she didn't win, and it wasn't
even tight. Santa Claus's house is up on Zillow. The
real estate site is offering virtual tours of Claus's North
Pole home. This could be shot a really cute to
do with the kids, showing off features like hot chocolate
bar gift wrapping room. The home is valued on the

(24:47):
site at just over one.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Point two million dollars. That filthy, rich pig. Where did
that come from?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Get a garbage We had the garbage ball the Cowboys
and the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Cowboys won at thirty to fourteen.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Commanders squeak out one point went on the road in
New Orleans because the Saints went for two. Will Levis
with three interceptions. That's two less than normal. But the
Titans still lost thirty seven to twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
To the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Ooh, their garbage. Baker Mayfield the quarterback, not my dog.
Four touchdown passes, Bucks forty to seventeen in La over
the Chargers, James Conners one hundred and ten yards, two
touchdowns That cognals thirty seventeen over the Patriots, and the
Seahawks lost the Pack last night if you fell asleep
thirty to thirteen tonight, Barri's Minnesota's worth watching, Vikings eleven

(25:38):
and two.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Atlanta Vegas not so much.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Wizards lost, Warriors lost, Sons and Lakers both won on
the Hardwoods. Blues one on the ice last night three
two over the Rangers, and birthdays Today. Actor Benjamin Bratt
is sixty one. Remember Sandra Bullock. William Shatner was in
that Mis Congeniality, one of the best pageant movies ever,
very funny.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
What's her name?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Oh? She played the news anchor. Her father was the
famous comedian.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Ah. I hate this when it happens to my brain,
Holly Hunter.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I mean, I was like an anchor cast of Miss Congeniality.
This is going to drive me nuts. How could I
forget her name? When I say that, you're going to
go You're like Joe Biden, Yeah, Das Bergen, Yeah, But

(26:36):
she was Murphy Brown. That was It's Your Morning Show
with Michael del Chno. Trump wins fifteen million dollars in
a defamation case. That says a lot. I mean, somebody's
high profile is Donald Trump. You gotta do something really
egregious for him to win a defamation case, and he
did fifteen million from ABC and George Stepanopholis I was saying,

(26:56):
you know, that's not going to be able to build
anything really big at the library, but you could do
the media room for fifteen million dollars. We were looking up.
Barack Obama's library was four hundred and eighty two million
dollars compared to Bill Clinton's in Little Rock, which was
one hundred and sixty five million. Can't imagine what the
Trump Library may end up being fifteen million, But as

(27:18):
red as Red quickly pointed out, it's fifteen million going
to a nonprofit. Therefore he'll have to pay more taxes,
which is probably a smart move.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
All right. So I had a pretty good weekend.

Speaker 11 (27:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
My son had his holiday concert for the band, and
I watched the Army Navy game on television. Had a
great church service. I had the best pastor in the world,
and his message was out of this world and eternal
as always.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
But throughout my.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Rather uneventful weekend, I kept getting pictures from John Decker,
first at the White House where he's at the Christmas party.
Then he's at the Army Navy game. I mean, I
gotta see him on the fifty yard line.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I gotta see him with Trump and Vans. Decker, what's
up with this?

Speaker 15 (28:10):
Is this?

Speaker 3 (28:10):
You just rubbing my nose in your great life? Is
that what you're doing now? Just having some fun?

Speaker 12 (28:17):
You know, Michael? It was an amazing weekend. Absolutely, what
a great time of year it is Christmas time, and
fortunate enough to be invited to the White House Christmas Party,
holiday party that takes place every year, and getting a
picture with the President the First Lady. And then what
a great event America's game Army versus Navy, and I

(28:40):
think Navy surprised a lot of people, given the year
that a lot of devil.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Army was eleven and one, it was a foregone conclusion,
and then the.

Speaker 12 (28:48):
Midship and later on they really did. Yeah, it was
such a great game. And if you're a Navy fan,
it was a good game. If you're a west Point fan,
it wasn't such a great game. But it's just a
The pageantry associated with that game is remarkable, and I'm
so proud of the men and women who choose to
volunteer to attend West Point and the Naval Academy and

(29:11):
then ultimately make careers out of serving our country in
the military.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I didn't know this till this morning. In Red told
me that in four years, Joe Biden has never been
and this one was what fifteen minutes away in Landover, Maryland,
but he had never gone to a game. Trump advanced,
not even in office. They were at the game. Yeah,
you lived a much better life than me. I guess
I'm your plus one by way of text, All right,
let's talk about Trump's fifteen million dollars. We've been fascinated

(29:36):
because and you're an attorney when you're someone his high
profile as Donald Trump, and how do you get more
high profile to win a defamation case. It's got to
be something egregious. Fifteen million dollars from ABC.

Speaker 12 (29:49):
Yeah, this was settlement of a lawsuit. And you know,
typically when you are hit with a defamation lawsuit, your
ultimate defense, the defense that you contemplate.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
If you're a defense lawyer.

Speaker 12 (30:03):
Representing a client who has been sued for defamation, is true.
But that particular defense does not work in this case
because George Stepanopolis was not telling the truth. On his
program on Sunday and interviewing Nancy Base, he said on
ten different occasions that Donald Trump was found liable by
a jury for rape. That was not the case. The

(30:24):
jury actually determined that Trump was liable for spexual abuse,
which has a distinct definition under New York law. And
as a result, it was just a losing case for
George Stepanopolis, a losing case for ABC. News, and that's
the reason why they wrote a check for fifteen million
dollars that settled this lawsuit against them.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Let me brag out my friend when he's not attending
parties in football games and living a better life than me.
He's also a Supreme Court bar attorney. He teaches media
law at Georgetown University. This is a man of great credibility.
Do you think that George Stepanopholis is back ground as
a political operative, played any role in this case.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Or just simply getting the truth wrong?

Speaker 12 (31:05):
Well, here's what I would suggest. I'm sure it's on
YouTube if you were, I remember the interview itself. But
if you were to YouTube that interview that he did
with Nancy Face, you tell me he doesn't sound like
an unbiased journalist or does he sound like someone with
an ax to grind against Donald Trump?

Speaker 1 (31:22):
All right, but there's got to be a lot of
people screaming at the radio right now, John, because I
can't tell you how many times I've heard politicians and
media reporters and or hosts or talking heads all refer
to the president as a rapist.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
They can think of the view, why are they not lible?

Speaker 12 (31:39):
Well, which is not to say that they would not
be liable. I think it really is a matter of
who does Donald Trump want to bring a civil lawsuit
for defamation against, and in the case of George Stephanopolis,
very high profile, his program, very high profile. He said
that particular statement on ten different occasions to it interview,

(32:00):
and in the aftermath of the interview, he was unapologetic
in terms of when asked about the interview that he
conducted with Nancy Mason, what he said about Donald Trump
at the time. So I think for all of those reasons,
Donald Trump and his legal team felt it was necessary
to prove this point and to send a message to
any other entities or journalists that wish to defame Donald Trump,

(32:25):
even though he's a public figure. As you point out
for the start of our segment, very high bar to
prove defamation against the public figure. But you know, I
think ABC News their legal team realized.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
This is a losing case for us, and the long
and the short of it is, what a year for
Donald Trump, what a bad year for the media, and
one last kick in the shit before Christmas.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
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