February 19, 2025 • 36 mins
Covid revealed more than it caused, and it’s still revealing. YMS senior contributor Dave Zanotti joins us to look at COVID and America five years later.
Congress is struggling to strike a deal to keep the government funded. White House Correspondent JON DECKER shared the latest.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, gang, it's me Michael. You can listen to your
morning show live. Make us a part of your morning
routine or your drive to work companion on great stations
like Talk Radio ninety eight point three and fifteen ten
WLAC in Nashville, Tupelo's News and Talk one oh one
point one and ten sixty WKMQ, and how about Talk
six fifty KSTE in Sacramento, California. Love to have you
(00:21):
listen live, but are grateful you're here now for the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Enjoy.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We sure are get glad you've made us a part
of your morning routine. It's seven minutes after the hour.
A federal judge declines the request of fourteen attorneys generals
another defeat for the Left and their plans to obstruct
against their new derangement syndrome. Elon Musk and Doge. The
first piece talks between the US and Russia have concluded.
The US Special Envoy for Ukraine and Russia, Keith Kellogg,
(00:48):
is now headed to Ukraine later today. Bope Francis now
has pneumonia in both lungs and a large part of
the country is dealing with freezing temperatures. We woke up
with a blanket of snow. It's getting to look a
lot like Christmas in Middle Tennessee if you're just waking up.
David'sanadi is the CEO of the American Policy Roundtable, host
of The Public Square, heard on two hundred stations. He's
(01:08):
our senior correspondent and contributor. And we started a conversation
yesterday which I think really goes to reaction to a
Pew Research poll talking to America about COVID five years later.
So we're in this process of life is best understood
looking back, unfortunately has to be live looking forward. Well,
(01:30):
David and I were looking forward as COVID COVID was happening,
and we're looking back five years later at everything that
we were told. We were crazy for saying, or a
conspiratory for saying that is now truth. But does America
get it five years later? That's the question of the hour,
and David's here to talk about COVID and America five
years later.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Good morning David, Good morning Michael. And what a pain
in the neck it is to be talking about COVID
five years later.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, and you know me, I take the show very seriously.
I decided to have COVID. While we have the COVID discussion.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That's not funny, but.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
No, that's the big difference between today now. Again, COVID
changed a lot. You know, the Delta was a bad
version and some of us lost some friends during delta.
This is virology one oh one. You don't defeat viruses.
You learn to live with them. And how do you
learn to live with them? Well, some susceptible people get
it and die. Others get it and live and then
have immunity. Plus the virus as it mutates, gets weaker
(02:28):
and weaker and weaker. So the difference between now and
five years ago is I just told you I had COVID,
and nobody assumed I was going to die. Five years ago,
you'd have had a different assumption. So that gets into
narrative and how things were sold to you, and they
weren't accurate. So David and I began our journey in
real time. Remember I went to the University of Washington's website.
I want to see what assumptions they were putting, and
(02:48):
they didn't have data, and I couldn't find the assumptions anywhere.
I don't think they've ever even come clean with the assumptions.
You were told to stay home, stay safe. This is
the new normal. That's when I knew a game was
being played, because it's never a new normal. That was
number one. Number two, you were told Fauci's the expert,
do whatever he says. I don't think America has that
(03:09):
view five years later either. How much has America learned
and how much is COVID responsible for? Follow me on this.
This is a crazy twist awakening America in a way
that has led to a new America that's not playing
the matrix and narrative games anymore. All of the agendized
(03:31):
in doctrination has just crumbled in a day, and we
can't figure out how it was defeated so fast. I
think COVID played a role in that as well.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's a great question, it's also a difficult question in
this regard. We can look at polling data, we can
look at pure research. The Atlantic is spouting off about this.
I've sent you an article from David from who is
one of their most fascinating writers, who has an article
up right now about this very subject, how COVID deniers won.
(04:04):
And you can look at the polling data, the research,
the problem is we don't trust the people that are
doing the polling data, We don't trust the researchers, and
we certainly don't trust the opinionists that are writing about this.
So it's kind of a crazy inverted question because it
comes down to the fact that what happened in COVID
(04:26):
was an exposure of the fact that we can't trust
people in power because they're more interested in manipulating people
than they are in telling the truth.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And that's I believe. You can look at all the
data and when you.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Get down to it, it comes down to they don't
trust these people anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
We don't trust these people anymore. We have good reason
not to one thing.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You said a lot of things during COVID, and doctor
McGowan said a lot of things during COVID. We wouldn't
have been as wise as we were without him. But
I had made the statement COVID revealed more than it did,
and that really struck a chord with you. It really did.
It revealed a lot about America and our divisions. So
(05:09):
COVID arrived as the matrix was already in place, the
US versus them far left, far right, and some played along,
some didn't some lived in fears, some didn't. The research
from Pew shows that everything that the left did with COVID,
which was go along with it no matter what they said,
and if you didn't vaccinate, now you were an enemy.
(05:32):
If you didn't wear a mask, now you were an enemy.
It just got crazy. What the Pew research found was
everybody that viewed it one way during COVID still views
it that way, and anybody that viewed it the other
way when it was happening still views it that way.
So the matrix is still in place. That's what was
confusing about a lot of the information now was America
is not any wiser five years later. Everybody's in the
(05:53):
same position.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And in some ways, what no one's talking about is
this really does go back to the Obamacare debate, and
in fact, it even goes back farther than that, to
nineteen ninety four when Bill Clinton stood up in a
State of the Union addressed and said, here's what's going
to save America. Here's your health Security card.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
We're going to take away your greatest fear, which is
that you're going to get sick. Not we all know
we're going to die, but we're going to take care
of your problem of being sick, and that's what the
government's going to do for all of us. We began
down this road of believing that the government was going
to take away our biggest fear, that fear that we
couldn't get access to health care, that we couldn't get
(06:32):
the services that we were going to need, that life
was going to spiral out of control and economically, and
the government was going to come in and start Those
were the seeds that were planted in Hillary's Clinton's private
group that basically put together the nineteen ninety four Health
Security Act. It came forward in Obamacare with the same
kind of fear, fear fear. So we've been set up
(06:53):
on fear and health because it's a very vulnerable spot
for us. No one wants their kids to not have
health care. No one want to be abandoned when they're old.
So they've been playing on this fear thing with us.
So it was perfect to come up with a pandemic
and then to see how far you could push the fear.
Now that sounds like conspiratorialism, and it sounds like we're
some kind of paranoid people know it's what they did.
(07:16):
Now that we look back, we see Fauci said, we
changed the information based on how well we were manipulating
the outcome of people's choices, and we don't feel like
they were listening to us, so we had to change
the game. It was nothing to do with science, nothing
to do with facts or health. It had everything to
do with who was controlling the population. And when people
(07:39):
got to the end of it, they realized they've been
jerked around for no good reason.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
That's why I said it revealed more than it did
because when it arrived, the United States was already experiencing
three major societal trends. The growing divide between the partisan
left and right. So the COVID arrived in a matrix
decreasing trust in institutions was already in place. And then
(08:06):
it became wear a mask social distance. Some trust that
get the vaccine, some trusted that, some didn't.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Don't jump in the swimming pool. Right, remember that one.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Well, let's say it's what led to some people were
driving around in their car wearing a mask all alone
by themselves. Yeah, I mean you know, Or how about
when you went to a restaurant that was still my favorite, Yeah,
you had to wear your mask until you were at
your seat. So apparently the virus could get you in
the lobby but couldn't get you at the table.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It was there.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
There was a lot of insane and then finally the
splintering of the information environment. I think, I think the
depth of journalism was already in place when COVID arrived,
and people realize how misinformed they were. I think these
these three trends are dying right now that there's an awakening,
but for much of America, and when I say much,
I mean I don't know. I used to say it
(08:58):
was about thirty five percent in the far left, but
I still think it's somewhere around thirty five to forty
percent that are still not arriving at these same conclusions.
But most of America's moved on enough to give a
new presidency in a new direction. But yeah, do I
guess let's go back to the first question. Do we
(09:19):
understand COVID any better factually today than we did five
years ago? And you and I lived at both in
real time and today, and I would say more than
five years ago, but not much better.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I wish I could give you a much more resounding answer,
But the politicians and the public health officials made this
about power and control, and then Podesta and Soros and
the left jumped on it for political advantage behind the
scenes in changing election laws. And then the Trump people
responded to that, and this thing spiraled out of control
(09:56):
in multiple dimensions.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It exploited all of our weakness. That's what COVID did.
It exploited all of our weaknesses.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Now there's still a great amount of controversy about the
actual impact and death toll of COVID.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Who died who didn't? I mean, there's and why.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Because if you were dying of lung cancer and as
the time of your death you had COVID, you were
considered a COVID death, what you really died of was
life and all the choices you made throughout your life.
I want to get to I have two minutes before
this break, and maybe maybe your answers needs to be
after the break. I don't know. But you brought up
David from in the Atlantic. Here's his quote. We live
(10:36):
in an impersonal universe, indifferent to our hopes and wishes,
subject to extreme randomness. We don't like this at all.
We crave satisfying explanations. We want to believe that somebody
is in control, even if it's somebody we don't like.
At least that way we can blame bad events on
(10:59):
bad people. This is the eternal appeal of conspiracy theories.
How did this happen? Somebody must have done it? But
who and why? Well, if that were true, wouldn't you
have asked or listened to Donald Trump, who was your president,
saying what was this gain of function research? Why was
it being done in China? Why were we a part
(11:20):
of it? How did it get out? Did it get out?
I'm on accident? And even if it was an accident,
why did China do so much to protect its own
country and we're so reckless to allow it to spread
to other credits? They weren't interested in any of those questions.
If that was true that theory, what do you make
of that?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Well, I think you're right, and I do delighted to
come back and talk more about it after the break.
But what it really shows us is that whether we're
talking about the Associated Press or the Atlantic, whether we're
talking about people that are masquerading as journalists or honest
about being opinionless, worldview matters. And what David from in
the Atlantic are trying to do is to completely rewrite
the COVID history, completely rewrite it to conform to their worldview.
(11:59):
And that worldview heard a term used earlier on this broadcast,
and according to what Fu'm just described as pagan.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Well, the reality is time hasn't been kind to their theory.
Fauci needed to be pardoned for fourteen years prior to
any actual charges because there must be something he needed
to be preemptively pardoned for. I don't think anybody, I mean,
there is no more guessing on the gain of function
(12:29):
research or the China leak, which was once considered a conspiracy.
If you brought up, in other words, virtually everything David
we were well, let me rephrase that virtually everything. David
I was threatened to be fired for saying for everything
that we were told, we were crazy for saying, that's
now truth, not conspiracy. Everything that was telling us as
(12:50):
a liar is now proven liar. How does that suspend
itself in mid air? I mean, time hasn't been kind
to this either, as a real deniers. Yeah, and where
are the American people in between?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Well?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I think I think probably more people today see Fauci
for what we saw him as then. I mean, this
is a guy that came out of nowhere and we
were told he is. Do you remember when everybody on television,
whether it was local or national, the most pre eminent
biology virologist and he was none of those things.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
You're making getting chills going up a down back my neck.
This hurts so much talking about that.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, yeah, because I remember, I'm like, who the hell
droppeded made this guy boss? It just didn't fit my discernment.
And then when they came out with the mantra, and
I would hear it on a visa commercial, all right,
hear it from a vice president, or right, hear it
from a president?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
All right?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Hear it from the doctors in their daily news conferences.
Are the fear scrolls at the bottom.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
To break my ears are starting to believe?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Remember the bottom of the screen the death toll, and
it would be moving live on the air. I mean,
it was all a scare tactic for the purposes of control. Now,
I think there are probably more people today the Sea
fauci differently than then. But by and large does America
understand the great do I say, hoax or scam that
(14:04):
was ever perpetrated on the American people in history, by
its government, by its institutions, by maybe even your primary physician,
by the mainstream death of journalist media. Do you realize
how you were betrayed five years later any better than
when they were betraying you. I guess that's the question
(14:25):
that still goes unanswered. But we'll have more when we
come back.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It's your morning show with Michael Delchono.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Contracting for time. What can we do in a minute
and a half. I think we come back the same
time tomorrow, David and finish. But David's and not he's
joining a CEO of the American Policy Roundtable, host of
the Public Square COVID. Five years later, no one was
betrayed more and this came out in the Pew research.
No one was portrayed more than the most vulnerable, our
(14:53):
elderly and nursing homes and are young in school. Tomorrow
we'll talk more about another Atlantic article. It was done
by Derek Thompson, which points to this is what created
the political revolution, this is what lost the young. Theft
lost lost the young on and that was COVID and
the never catch up and how their education has been affected.
(15:16):
It's funny those that played played all in on democracy
was ats take are dying in their cause of death
as democracy. But you know, we often read of pagan
religions and how they fall and what becomes of a
pagan religious leader after his pagan religion is lost. We
don't ever know that. We don't see them walk off
(15:36):
into the sunset. That's kind of what we're living right
now in real time as the Atlantic and others try
to hang on to these notions. We're gonna take a
quick break for news, but we come back, David, What
could we do in a couple of minutes today and
finish tomorrow on this topic, because that's really where we're
at right now, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
So, in other words, what does a pagan jumping off
a bridge think about lands?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
How deep is this water?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
How cold is the water?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I don't know, But that's kind of what's happening in
real time, and COVID is a great angle to look
at it from. So closing thoughts from our senior contributor
David Zanati after your local news and then tomorrow will
delve more into this notion. Is this how they lost
the youth politically in America? On the left.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I'm Daniel Calsey and Tampa and my morning show is
your Morning Show with Michael deil Jorno.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Hi, It's Michael. Your morning show can be heard on
great radio stations across the country like News Talk ninety
two point one and six hundred WREC in Memphis, Tennessee,
or thirteen hundred The Patriot in Tulsa or Talk six
fifty KSTE in Sacramento, California. We invite you to listen
live while you're getting ready in the morning and to
take us along for the drive to work. But as
we always say, better late than never. Thanks for joining
(16:59):
us for the podcast. This is your morning Show. I'm Michael.
Jeffrey Lyon has the controls read sitting rather quietly in
a red sweater today keeping an eye on the content.
And David Zanati, our senior contributor, is joining us. Can't
have your morning show without your voice. Let's start with
James in Youngstown. Good morning, Michael and gang. First hour
is never a throwaway hour for me.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Mister Carl must be extremely smart because his book is
currently sold on in Amazon.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
There's a lot we can learn from this gentleman.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, that's CEO Alex Karp Karp. The name of the
book is The Technological Republic. I don't know. Maybe it's
just showing you how your morning show gets results for advertisers.
I mentioned everyone should get a copy, and now it's
sold out. This is Larry, by the way, who's invited
us to his magic show. If I didn't have COVID
and I wasn't sick, I wasn't sick all of January
(17:50):
with the flu, and I wasn't visiting universities of my son,
we would have been already. But here's Larry listening on WLAC.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
This is magician Lawrence James in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Michael de journal is my morning show?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
All right, Larry, I'm gonna do a little magic trick
for you if if you want to do this, you
gotta follow the format.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Jeffrey's kind of a stickler for this.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
On the script, it's Hi, I'm Larry from Nashville and
my morning show is your morning show with Michael del Jorno.
So I want to do a little trick for us
and call back and do the do the format right.
That way, we can have you be a part of
our show on an ongoing basis. Yeah, why they don't.
They kind of lost the format, haven't they a little bit? Well,
(18:33):
I think we kind of lost. We haven't been saying
it like we used to, so we probably it's all us. Well,
that's because I used to say I'm so and so
from such and such and my morning show is your
morning show until some smart alec from Tulsa actually called that. Hi,
I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
We didn't know that was gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
All right, David, we were talking about COVID five years later.
Looking back, we should understand better than living forward, although
America is not really quite getting it much better. Part
of America anyway, by and large, the two greatest failures
were to the most vulnerable, our elderly and nursing homes
and our young through school and education. That much I
(19:10):
hope America gets, and the numbers bear out it does.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
It's interesting because the Pew numbers show that as far
as age brackets saying that it made a huge COVID
made a huge impact on their life or it didn't,
the sixty five years of age and older group has
a very small percentage that said it made the biggest impact,
whereas the youth much higher thirty nine percent almost forty
percent of young people said COVID had a big impact
(19:36):
in their life. And of course it did, because it
completely blew up their education model and pitted them against
their teachers and against their local principles and their local
buildings without merits, against their school board well, and they
were introduced into the power of the teachers unions, and
suddenly the kids were the pawns.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And it messed up their world pretty badly.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And so it made them think about this idea of
do what I tell you, don't ask? Why just do
what I tell you? People don't like being bullied. No,
And you know, we forget. Remember when you were young
that clock ticks so slowly. Do you remember how long
a day was?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Do you remember how long a school year was, or
how long a third period was, compared to how we
blink in a decade? Has gone?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
All right?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So I had a hernia in the third grade. It
was a big deal back then. You were in the
hospital two weeks. It was six weeks to recover, not
like it is today. I missed six weeks of school
in the third grade, and I would tell you, in
all honesty, I never caught up the rest of my life.
It was a catch up game. My mom would have
done me a favor to have just let me stay
(20:43):
home the rest of the year and start third grade
over the next year. And then I look back at
COVID and how it disrupted kids' lives and for how
long it did, and how long that must have felt,
and how they're playing catch up and feeling like they
can never catch up. So I think kids felt it.
I think for the rest of you, that took a
fifty hundred dollars check. And that's what the price of
liberty was. You stay home. We're shutting your business down,
(21:05):
your non essential everything, all your dreams, everything you've worked for,
doesn't matter. Stay home. We see that sixty five and
older probably not right. If you were retired, you're already
at home every day. So I think the numbers kind
of practically play out. But I think at the end
of the day, I can tell you no one was
betrayed more than the elderly and the young.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, and what happened to our economy, and this was
a universal mistake. Today the current people are trying to
look back and blame if you will, or attribute to
current political dynamics exclusively to this period. No COVID was
an event in a long series of events in which
(21:48):
the United States government, acting as a bullying bureaucracy, got
caught going too far. And this just wasn't the federal government.
This was local governors, this was political parties, this was
editorial boards.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I mean, this was these were conservative governors. We had
conservative governors losing their minds doing things.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
My governor lost my support and I ended up losing
a friend over it in that government.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I mean, it's a terrible mess of what happened based
on trying to use feary to manipulate people, and in
the end it didn't play out. What's frightening, Michael, is
that we started the process of COVID from day one.
As soon as this story came out, we got on it.
As soon as it came out. We called doctor Chuck
McGowan as one of our been our medical staff member,
(22:38):
volunteer for us for years, medical professor, brilliant guy in
his eighties who hasn't forgotten much well ironically because he's
still in practice. That week, the first COVID patient in
his part of the country showed up in his office
and he was the first doctor in that part of
the country to be sent home to be quarantined for
(22:58):
fourteen days because that COVID patient had walked past his
open office store. And this is where it all began.
We started there and for five years we were on
this subject, inside out, upside down every day. And what
doctor Chuck told us at the beginning proved to be
true in the end. But we didn't listen to the
(23:18):
old smart doctors.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
We listened to Fauci Yeah, and to Tie and Alex Karp,
who we featured in our Sounds of the day. We
didn't allow ourselves to be turned into a product, a
product of the pro vax or anti vax, pro mask
or anti mask. We followed facts in science, and that's
what protected us through the journey and unfortunately what made
(23:42):
victims of much of America throughout COVID. But what's really
wild to look at is how we're seeing some things
more clearly, but not as clearly as we should five
years later. And tomorrow David'll be back and we're going
to take a look at the Is this what led
to the loss of the youth and the political revolution
(24:04):
and awakening that took place that sent kids from a
sure vote for the left to a sure vote for
the right. We'll do that tomorrow. First things first, start
outright our right.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
This is CNN, this is the news, and that's a
lot more people are watching the cartoon Networks. Lunch Robbery
runs right now. I'm big ad Democrat. This is like
a Goldston in a pass.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
You should have a government that just minds its own
damn business and leaves people.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Alone, often entertaining, always interesting sounds of the day.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
David stick around.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I think you're going to enjoy this as the left
searches for a messenger and searches for a message and
can't find it, and now find themselves fighting amongst themselves
about what they should or shouldn't be doing. Here's James
Carvell back at the table. We go all the way
back to the Clinton administration strategist to try to understand
where we should go next.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Listen, what I say is something organic coming up from
around the country. I don't think that there was a
a lot of organization. If you remember in twenty seventeen
he had like a million women on them all. This
is happening all around the country. So the question is
how should democratic politicians respond to this, and what I
(25:16):
think they should do is what we call in role America.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Play possible.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Just let it go, don't get in the way of it,
or as would like to say, don't just stand there,
do nothing, let this germinate.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
You know, we're both from LSU, but we rarely agree
on anything. On this one, I agree they really this
plain obstructionist is backfiring because why the American people elected
Donald Trump. He's doing what he said he would do,
and poll after pol daily shows the American people are
(25:52):
agreeing with him. So to play obstruction game. Well, and
isn't it ironic? They made the whole race about democracy's
at stake. Well, they lost. Democracy is what caused them
to lose, and democracy is causing the death of the
Democrat Party and they don't get it. So here's James
Carvill saying, do nothing, stupid, just sit there, play it out,
(26:14):
maybe even join in a little bit. But they can't, David,
because they're stuck playing us versus them. They will they
even awaken to that.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
No, it's too long. It's generational.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
They've got to have a complete recreation from the inside out.
And you'll notice that some of their biggest players have
gone deadstone, quiet, silent, You can't find him.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Where's John Bodesta? Just waiting to take the office again?
All right?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
In the meantime, here's the view's reaction to what Carville said,
do nothing.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
One's reacting to everything he throws out, and then nothing
goes anywhere.
Speaker 9 (26:46):
I disagree with Carville, and I disagree with you because
I do because I have lived long enough to say
that people who do nothing empower the enemy.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
They do.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I believe that the President of the United State to
the American people at the enemy, and.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
I believe that Americans you can trust, multitask, you can march,
and you can do whatever and let them do what
they're doing.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
You can do both.
Speaker 9 (27:12):
And the main thing you can do is cordy Republican
senators and congress people and tell them that you're not
happy with what's going on. You did not vote for
this what they're doing right now, and not to Democratics
that we know what the Democrats are. It's the Republicans
you've got to get to.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
I don't like you know to Some agree is if
you treat everything like a five alarm fire, people might
tune it out.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
It's noise.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
So decide what truly matters. And David Oxlrod got a
lot of flak for saying let USAID criticisms go, I
love USAID. I've been on missions abroad where we use
it to help people, but it's intangible to voters. It
doesn't really impact American voter's life. Hey, if do'ge comes
into the Social Security Administration and something happens, that's where
you hold your real fight.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
Is going into my social security and the ils well
that's the.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
World according to the view they think DOSEE is going
into her personal social security. No, that you have safeguards
in place. So while some people can see accounts that
belong to and I'm not making this up vampires, people
three hundred and sixty years old, they can't see even
though that category or account is there, they can't see
(28:21):
if money is flowing to it. So that takes another
person that's able to see where money is flowing and
then put them together. Nobody's looking to go through your
personal social security unless you are one getting it in fraud.
But again, what you're hearing, David, is the struggle to
figure out do we fight, do we obstruct, or do
(28:45):
we shut up? And then if it is fight, What
do we fight and what is our solution? They don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
They kind of reminds me of teenage conversations over landline
telephones in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Well, it doesn't get it doesn't get any better if
we go to to Chris Matthews. Let's see what he's saying.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
And I watched the Democrats and the media too. It's
very hard to take on a firing squad. A lot
of bullets come in your way, all aiming at you,
and you've got to shoot back in all directions. At
the same time, Nobody in the Democratic Party can say
Schumwer can't do it. He's a good leader, you know,
PELUSI was a fabulous leader.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Obama. Obama feels about it most interesting.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
You know, Peter Baker can do it. The New York Times.
You know, he's one of the few people who can
actually lead a news story and talk about everything that's
going on and attack back. Why can't a Democratic leader
to stand up and say, when I just said what
I just said. This guy's taking down the Congress, He's
taking down the rights of the American people. He's the
big boss overseas and back here. The big boss listen
(29:54):
to him do what he says. Nobody's saying that. Chris
Murphy's trying I keep winning.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Who's going to.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Stand He's going to take a shot back at this guy.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Who's going to take a shot back at this guy?
And interesting thing to say against Donald Trump who was
shot at and took a shot.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
In the air.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
All right, bottom line, they don't have a messenger, and
they don't have a message.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And right now, accountability is you know what, because if
Doge ever turns to Obamacare and does the real research
on that whole fiasco, watch out well.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Or as Maxine Water said, and we've been looking for
a way to work Maxine into the show. She may
have exposed it best Jeffrey when she said, see, I
have to go find it. Sorry, Oh never mind, we
know what all they have on us. We don't know
what they all have on us yet. Maybe that's what's
(30:48):
really playing out, all right, Davi, when we come back tomorrow,
is this where they lost the youth vote and created
a political revolution. More with David Sinati tomorrow. Thanks for
joining us, David.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Thanks and I do.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Not blame you for COVID, but I look forward to
the next virus you have for me when you return
to town. Hey, I hope you have a strategy for
self protection. I believe in the Second Amendment. I am
a gun owner. That's certainly a part of my strategy.
But you know what, I'm not always comfortable with making
life and death decisions in a split second. Nor do
I know if I would make that life or death
(31:18):
decision in a split second. I think I know, But
it's the middle of the night, somebody breaks into my
house and I.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
See a kid. Do I pull the trigger?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Well, that's where Berner comes in, and the Berna launcher
the leader in less lethal self defense, because now I
have a kinetic realm that I know is going to
incapacitate that person, and I can hit him with another
and I can hit him with a third, this time
that has tear gas. Now I can do it without
(31:46):
taking a life and having to live with that the
rest of my life, or even defend.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It in court.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
It is a wonderful compliment to your self defense strategy.
The Burner less lethal self defense platform. It provides formidable
stopping power without the complexities and potential legal consequences of ahmastide.
It's legal in all fifty states, no background check, no permits,
no waiting periods. You can have a ship to your
door today. I personally own one. Every burner is hand
(32:17):
assembled in Fort Wayne, Indiana by a proud American company.
Check it out today or fact order one today. Go
to burna b y r NA, burna dot com and
if you go to Berner dot com forward slash yms
as in your morning show, you get ten percent off
your purchase burna dot Com forward slash y ms Burner.
(32:37):
Where safety meets responsibility and preparation meets a peace of mind.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chrono.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
If you're just waking up, A federal judge is declining
a request from fourteen attorneys generals to temporarily ban Elon musk.
Don Decker told you so yesterday. Peace talks dow and
US and Russia are done. Now. US Special Envoy for
Ukraine and Russia, Keith Kellogg, is on his way to Ukraine.
The Pope now with pneumonia in both lungs. That's taken
(33:08):
a turn for the worst in a large part of
the country, dealing with freezing temperatures. We woke up to
blanket a snow here in Middle Tennessee. It's winter. That
groundhog was right, there was at least six more weeks
of it. Congress is struggling to strike a deal to
keep the government funded. Our White House correspondent John Decker
is back with the latest down that Good morning, John.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Hey, good morning to you.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Michael.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Hope you're doing well today.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Well I have COVID. Oh no, yeah, I know you
called it on the judge. And by the way, that
judge also indicated even if you could have proven and
they didn't, they failed to that your state was in
some kind of jeopardy or would have harm. Even if
you go beyond that, she's still not inclined to see this.
So this, you know, if the Left is going to
(33:50):
continue to play the obstruction card and try to play
it in court, well, the poll suggests it's not playing
well in the court from a public opinion, and judge
after judge it isn't playing well either. So it'll be
interesting to see where they go next.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Well, it will be interesting.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
But that was something, as you point out, forecast would
happen with Judge Tanya chuck In denying that request for
a temporary restraining order that was requested by those Democratic
state attorneys general and now the work of Elon Musk
his Department of Government Efficiency continues, and as you mentioned,
(34:26):
there's a looming deadline. It will be here before you
know it. March to fourteenth midnight is when funding for
the government could run out if there's no deal.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Reach to continue funding the government for the rest of
this fiscal year.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So the reason we bring both these stories up together
is if one side wants to just play obstruction, then
they're less than a month away from playing their self
right into a government shutdown potentially, right, Well, that's right.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
The dynamics are different, though.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
You know what we've seen Congress do time and.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Time again we talk about it.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Michael has kicked this can down the road, funding the
government for a few months at a time, and we're
up against that deadline.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
On March to fourteenth. But of course, the last time
that Congress did that, it.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Was divided government. Democrats controlled the Senate, Republicans control the House,
of course, the White House controlled by Joe Biden.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Now, of course it's Republicans to.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Control all the leavers of government. So if there is
a government shutdown, I think it goes to assume that
Republicans would be blamed for that government shutdown, and that
would have an impact on service members in terms of
getting paid. It would have an impact on those that
rely on V eight benefits.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Those rely on Social Security checks, They may not.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Arrive on time.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
So very real life consequences if indeed.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
There is a government shutdown.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And that's ladies for John Decker or White House correspondent.
You have a great day. We'll talk again tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
We're all in this together. This is your Morning Show
with Michael nheld Joano
Speaker 1 (36:00):
A be
Hey, gang, it's me Michael. You can listen to your
morning show live. Make us a part of your morning
routine or your drive to work companion on great stations
like Talk Radio ninety eight point three and fifteen ten
WLAC in Nashville, Tupelo's News and Talk one oh one
point one and ten sixty WKMQ, and how about Talk
six fifty KSTE in Sacramento, California. Love to have you
(00:21):
listen live, but are grateful you're here now for the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Enjoy.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We sure are get glad you've made us a part
of your morning routine. It's seven minutes after the hour.
A federal judge declines the request of fourteen attorneys generals
another defeat for the Left and their plans to obstruct
against their new derangement syndrome. Elon Musk and Doge. The
first piece talks between the US and Russia have concluded.
The US Special Envoy for Ukraine and Russia, Keith Kellogg,
(00:48):
is now headed to Ukraine later today. Bope Francis now
has pneumonia in both lungs and a large part of
the country is dealing with freezing temperatures. We woke up
with a blanket of snow. It's getting to look a
lot like Christmas in Middle Tennessee if you're just waking up.
David'sanadi is the CEO of the American Policy Roundtable, host
of The Public Square, heard on two hundred stations. He's
(01:08):
our senior correspondent and contributor. And we started a conversation
yesterday which I think really goes to reaction to a
Pew Research poll talking to America about COVID five years later.
So we're in this process of life is best understood
looking back, unfortunately has to be live looking forward. Well,
(01:30):
David and I were looking forward as COVID COVID was happening,
and we're looking back five years later at everything that
we were told. We were crazy for saying, or a
conspiratory for saying that is now truth. But does America
get it five years later? That's the question of the hour,
and David's here to talk about COVID and America five
years later.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Good morning David, Good morning Michael. And what a pain
in the neck it is to be talking about COVID
five years later.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, and you know me, I take the show very seriously.
I decided to have COVID. While we have the COVID discussion.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That's not funny, but.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
No, that's the big difference between today now. Again, COVID
changed a lot. You know, the Delta was a bad
version and some of us lost some friends during delta.
This is virology one oh one. You don't defeat viruses.
You learn to live with them. And how do you
learn to live with them? Well, some susceptible people get
it and die. Others get it and live and then
have immunity. Plus the virus as it mutates, gets weaker
(02:28):
and weaker and weaker. So the difference between now and
five years ago is I just told you I had COVID,
and nobody assumed I was going to die. Five years ago,
you'd have had a different assumption. So that gets into
narrative and how things were sold to you, and they
weren't accurate. So David and I began our journey in
real time. Remember I went to the University of Washington's website.
I want to see what assumptions they were putting, and
(02:48):
they didn't have data, and I couldn't find the assumptions anywhere.
I don't think they've ever even come clean with the assumptions.
You were told to stay home, stay safe. This is
the new normal. That's when I knew a game was
being played, because it's never a new normal. That was
number one. Number two, you were told Fauci's the expert,
do whatever he says. I don't think America has that
(03:09):
view five years later either. How much has America learned
and how much is COVID responsible for? Follow me on this.
This is a crazy twist awakening America in a way
that has led to a new America that's not playing
the matrix and narrative games anymore. All of the agendized
(03:31):
in doctrination has just crumbled in a day, and we
can't figure out how it was defeated so fast. I
think COVID played a role in that as well.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's a great question, it's also a difficult question in
this regard. We can look at polling data, we can
look at pure research. The Atlantic is spouting off about this.
I've sent you an article from David from who is
one of their most fascinating writers, who has an article
up right now about this very subject, how COVID deniers won.
(04:04):
And you can look at the polling data, the research,
the problem is we don't trust the people that are
doing the polling data, We don't trust the researchers, and
we certainly don't trust the opinionists that are writing about this.
So it's kind of a crazy inverted question because it
comes down to the fact that what happened in COVID
(04:26):
was an exposure of the fact that we can't trust
people in power because they're more interested in manipulating people
than they are in telling the truth.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And that's I believe. You can look at all the
data and when you.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Get down to it, it comes down to they don't
trust these people anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
We don't trust these people anymore. We have good reason
not to one thing.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You said a lot of things during COVID, and doctor
McGowan said a lot of things during COVID. We wouldn't
have been as wise as we were without him. But
I had made the statement COVID revealed more than it did,
and that really struck a chord with you. It really did.
It revealed a lot about America and our divisions. So
(05:09):
COVID arrived as the matrix was already in place, the
US versus them far left, far right, and some played along,
some didn't some lived in fears, some didn't. The research
from Pew shows that everything that the left did with COVID,
which was go along with it no matter what they said,
and if you didn't vaccinate, now you were an enemy.
(05:32):
If you didn't wear a mask, now you were an enemy.
It just got crazy. What the Pew research found was
everybody that viewed it one way during COVID still views
it that way, and anybody that viewed it the other
way when it was happening still views it that way.
So the matrix is still in place. That's what was
confusing about a lot of the information now was America
is not any wiser five years later. Everybody's in the
(05:53):
same position.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And in some ways, what no one's talking about is
this really does go back to the Obamacare debate, and
in fact, it even goes back farther than that, to
nineteen ninety four when Bill Clinton stood up in a
State of the Union addressed and said, here's what's going
to save America. Here's your health Security card.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
We're going to take away your greatest fear, which is
that you're going to get sick. Not we all know
we're going to die, but we're going to take care
of your problem of being sick, and that's what the
government's going to do for all of us. We began
down this road of believing that the government was going
to take away our biggest fear, that fear that we
couldn't get access to health care, that we couldn't get
(06:32):
the services that we were going to need, that life
was going to spiral out of control and economically, and
the government was going to come in and start Those
were the seeds that were planted in Hillary's Clinton's private
group that basically put together the nineteen ninety four Health
Security Act. It came forward in Obamacare with the same
kind of fear, fear fear. So we've been set up
(06:53):
on fear and health because it's a very vulnerable spot
for us. No one wants their kids to not have
health care. No one want to be abandoned when they're old.
So they've been playing on this fear thing with us.
So it was perfect to come up with a pandemic
and then to see how far you could push the fear.
Now that sounds like conspiratorialism, and it sounds like we're
some kind of paranoid people know it's what they did.
(07:16):
Now that we look back, we see Fauci said, we
changed the information based on how well we were manipulating
the outcome of people's choices, and we don't feel like
they were listening to us, so we had to change
the game. It was nothing to do with science, nothing
to do with facts or health. It had everything to
do with who was controlling the population. And when people
(07:39):
got to the end of it, they realized they've been
jerked around for no good reason.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
That's why I said it revealed more than it did
because when it arrived, the United States was already experiencing
three major societal trends. The growing divide between the partisan
left and right. So the COVID arrived in a matrix
decreasing trust in institutions was already in place. And then
(08:06):
it became wear a mask social distance. Some trust that
get the vaccine, some trusted that, some didn't.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Don't jump in the swimming pool. Right, remember that one.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Well, let's say it's what led to some people were
driving around in their car wearing a mask all alone
by themselves. Yeah, I mean you know, Or how about
when you went to a restaurant that was still my favorite, Yeah,
you had to wear your mask until you were at
your seat. So apparently the virus could get you in
the lobby but couldn't get you at the table.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It was there.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
There was a lot of insane and then finally the
splintering of the information environment. I think, I think the
depth of journalism was already in place when COVID arrived,
and people realize how misinformed they were. I think these
these three trends are dying right now that there's an awakening,
but for much of America, and when I say much,
I mean I don't know. I used to say it
(08:58):
was about thirty five percent in the far left, but
I still think it's somewhere around thirty five to forty
percent that are still not arriving at these same conclusions.
But most of America's moved on enough to give a
new presidency in a new direction. But yeah, do I
guess let's go back to the first question. Do we
(09:19):
understand COVID any better factually today than we did five
years ago? And you and I lived at both in
real time and today, and I would say more than
five years ago, but not much better.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I wish I could give you a much more resounding answer,
But the politicians and the public health officials made this
about power and control, and then Podesta and Soros and
the left jumped on it for political advantage behind the
scenes in changing election laws. And then the Trump people
responded to that, and this thing spiraled out of control
(09:56):
in multiple dimensions.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It exploited all of our weakness. That's what COVID did.
It exploited all of our weaknesses.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Now there's still a great amount of controversy about the
actual impact and death toll of COVID.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Who died who didn't? I mean, there's and why.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Because if you were dying of lung cancer and as
the time of your death you had COVID, you were
considered a COVID death, what you really died of was
life and all the choices you made throughout your life.
I want to get to I have two minutes before
this break, and maybe maybe your answers needs to be
after the break. I don't know. But you brought up
David from in the Atlantic. Here's his quote. We live
(10:36):
in an impersonal universe, indifferent to our hopes and wishes,
subject to extreme randomness. We don't like this at all.
We crave satisfying explanations. We want to believe that somebody
is in control, even if it's somebody we don't like.
At least that way we can blame bad events on
(10:59):
bad people. This is the eternal appeal of conspiracy theories.
How did this happen? Somebody must have done it? But
who and why? Well, if that were true, wouldn't you
have asked or listened to Donald Trump, who was your president,
saying what was this gain of function research? Why was
it being done in China? Why were we a part
(11:20):
of it? How did it get out? Did it get out?
I'm on accident? And even if it was an accident,
why did China do so much to protect its own
country and we're so reckless to allow it to spread
to other credits? They weren't interested in any of those questions.
If that was true that theory, what do you make
of that?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Well, I think you're right, and I do delighted to
come back and talk more about it after the break.
But what it really shows us is that whether we're
talking about the Associated Press or the Atlantic, whether we're
talking about people that are masquerading as journalists or honest
about being opinionless, worldview matters. And what David from in
the Atlantic are trying to do is to completely rewrite
the COVID history, completely rewrite it to conform to their worldview.
(11:59):
And that worldview heard a term used earlier on this broadcast,
and according to what Fu'm just described as pagan.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Well, the reality is time hasn't been kind to their theory.
Fauci needed to be pardoned for fourteen years prior to
any actual charges because there must be something he needed
to be preemptively pardoned for. I don't think anybody, I mean,
there is no more guessing on the gain of function
(12:29):
research or the China leak, which was once considered a conspiracy.
If you brought up, in other words, virtually everything David
we were well, let me rephrase that virtually everything. David
I was threatened to be fired for saying for everything
that we were told, we were crazy for saying, that's
now truth, not conspiracy. Everything that was telling us as
(12:50):
a liar is now proven liar. How does that suspend
itself in mid air? I mean, time hasn't been kind
to this either, as a real deniers. Yeah, and where
are the American people in between?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Well?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I think I think probably more people today see Fauci
for what we saw him as then. I mean, this
is a guy that came out of nowhere and we
were told he is. Do you remember when everybody on television,
whether it was local or national, the most pre eminent
biology virologist and he was none of those things.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
You're making getting chills going up a down back my neck.
This hurts so much talking about that.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, yeah, because I remember, I'm like, who the hell
droppeded made this guy boss? It just didn't fit my discernment.
And then when they came out with the mantra, and
I would hear it on a visa commercial, all right,
hear it from a vice president, or right, hear it
from a president?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
All right?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Hear it from the doctors in their daily news conferences.
Are the fear scrolls at the bottom.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
To break my ears are starting to believe?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Remember the bottom of the screen the death toll, and
it would be moving live on the air. I mean,
it was all a scare tactic for the purposes of control. Now,
I think there are probably more people today the Sea
fauci differently than then. But by and large does America
understand the great do I say, hoax or scam that
(14:04):
was ever perpetrated on the American people in history, by
its government, by its institutions, by maybe even your primary physician,
by the mainstream death of journalist media. Do you realize
how you were betrayed five years later any better than
when they were betraying you. I guess that's the question
(14:25):
that still goes unanswered. But we'll have more when we
come back.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It's your morning show with Michael Delchono.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Contracting for time. What can we do in a minute
and a half. I think we come back the same
time tomorrow, David and finish. But David's and not he's
joining a CEO of the American Policy Roundtable, host of
the Public Square COVID. Five years later, no one was
betrayed more and this came out in the Pew research.
No one was portrayed more than the most vulnerable, our
(14:53):
elderly and nursing homes and are young in school. Tomorrow
we'll talk more about another Atlantic article. It was done
by Derek Thompson, which points to this is what created
the political revolution, this is what lost the young. Theft
lost lost the young on and that was COVID and
the never catch up and how their education has been affected.
(15:16):
It's funny those that played played all in on democracy
was ats take are dying in their cause of death
as democracy. But you know, we often read of pagan
religions and how they fall and what becomes of a
pagan religious leader after his pagan religion is lost. We
don't ever know that. We don't see them walk off
(15:36):
into the sunset. That's kind of what we're living right
now in real time as the Atlantic and others try
to hang on to these notions. We're gonna take a
quick break for news, but we come back, David, What
could we do in a couple of minutes today and
finish tomorrow on this topic, because that's really where we're
at right now, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
So, in other words, what does a pagan jumping off
a bridge think about lands?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
How deep is this water?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
How cold is the water?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I don't know, But that's kind of what's happening in
real time, and COVID is a great angle to look
at it from. So closing thoughts from our senior contributor
David Zanati after your local news and then tomorrow will
delve more into this notion. Is this how they lost
the youth politically in America? On the left.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I'm Daniel Calsey and Tampa and my morning show is
your Morning Show with Michael deil Jorno.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Hi, It's Michael. Your morning show can be heard on
great radio stations across the country like News Talk ninety
two point one and six hundred WREC in Memphis, Tennessee,
or thirteen hundred The Patriot in Tulsa or Talk six
fifty KSTE in Sacramento, California. We invite you to listen
live while you're getting ready in the morning and to
take us along for the drive to work. But as
we always say, better late than never. Thanks for joining
(16:59):
us for the podcast. This is your morning Show. I'm Michael.
Jeffrey Lyon has the controls read sitting rather quietly in
a red sweater today keeping an eye on the content.
And David Zanati, our senior contributor, is joining us. Can't
have your morning show without your voice. Let's start with
James in Youngstown. Good morning, Michael and gang. First hour
is never a throwaway hour for me.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Mister Carl must be extremely smart because his book is
currently sold on in Amazon.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
There's a lot we can learn from this gentleman.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, that's CEO Alex Karp Karp. The name of the
book is The Technological Republic. I don't know. Maybe it's
just showing you how your morning show gets results for advertisers.
I mentioned everyone should get a copy, and now it's
sold out. This is Larry, by the way, who's invited
us to his magic show. If I didn't have COVID
and I wasn't sick, I wasn't sick all of January
(17:50):
with the flu, and I wasn't visiting universities of my son,
we would have been already. But here's Larry listening on WLAC.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
This is magician Lawrence James in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Michael de journal is my morning show?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
All right, Larry, I'm gonna do a little magic trick
for you if if you want to do this, you
gotta follow the format.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Jeffrey's kind of a stickler for this.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
On the script, it's Hi, I'm Larry from Nashville and
my morning show is your morning show with Michael del Jorno.
So I want to do a little trick for us
and call back and do the do the format right.
That way, we can have you be a part of
our show on an ongoing basis. Yeah, why they don't.
They kind of lost the format, haven't they a little bit? Well,
(18:33):
I think we kind of lost. We haven't been saying
it like we used to, so we probably it's all us. Well,
that's because I used to say I'm so and so
from such and such and my morning show is your
morning show until some smart alec from Tulsa actually called that. Hi,
I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
We didn't know that was gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
All right, David, we were talking about COVID five years later.
Looking back, we should understand better than living forward, although
America is not really quite getting it much better. Part
of America anyway, by and large, the two greatest failures
were to the most vulnerable, our elderly and nursing homes
and our young through school and education. That much I
(19:10):
hope America gets, and the numbers bear out it does.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
It's interesting because the Pew numbers show that as far
as age brackets saying that it made a huge COVID
made a huge impact on their life or it didn't,
the sixty five years of age and older group has
a very small percentage that said it made the biggest impact,
whereas the youth much higher thirty nine percent almost forty
percent of young people said COVID had a big impact
(19:36):
in their life. And of course it did, because it
completely blew up their education model and pitted them against
their teachers and against their local principles and their local
buildings without merits, against their school board well, and they
were introduced into the power of the teachers unions, and
suddenly the kids were the pawns.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And it messed up their world pretty badly.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And so it made them think about this idea of
do what I tell you, don't ask? Why just do
what I tell you? People don't like being bullied. No,
And you know, we forget. Remember when you were young
that clock ticks so slowly. Do you remember how long
a day was?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Do you remember how long a school year was, or
how long a third period was, compared to how we
blink in a decade? Has gone?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
All right?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So I had a hernia in the third grade. It
was a big deal back then. You were in the
hospital two weeks. It was six weeks to recover, not
like it is today. I missed six weeks of school
in the third grade, and I would tell you, in
all honesty, I never caught up the rest of my life.
It was a catch up game. My mom would have
done me a favor to have just let me stay
(20:43):
home the rest of the year and start third grade
over the next year. And then I look back at
COVID and how it disrupted kids' lives and for how
long it did, and how long that must have felt,
and how they're playing catch up and feeling like they
can never catch up. So I think kids felt it.
I think for the rest of you, that took a
fifty hundred dollars check. And that's what the price of
liberty was. You stay home. We're shutting your business down,
(21:05):
your non essential everything, all your dreams, everything you've worked for,
doesn't matter. Stay home. We see that sixty five and
older probably not right. If you were retired, you're already
at home every day. So I think the numbers kind
of practically play out. But I think at the end
of the day, I can tell you no one was
betrayed more than the elderly and the young.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, and what happened to our economy, and this was
a universal mistake. Today the current people are trying to
look back and blame if you will, or attribute to
current political dynamics exclusively to this period. No COVID was
an event in a long series of events in which
(21:48):
the United States government, acting as a bullying bureaucracy, got
caught going too far. And this just wasn't the federal government.
This was local governors, this was political parties, this was
editorial boards.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I mean, this was these were conservative governors. We had
conservative governors losing their minds doing things.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
My governor lost my support and I ended up losing
a friend over it in that government.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I mean, it's a terrible mess of what happened based
on trying to use feary to manipulate people, and in
the end it didn't play out. What's frightening, Michael, is
that we started the process of COVID from day one.
As soon as this story came out, we got on it.
As soon as it came out. We called doctor Chuck
McGowan as one of our been our medical staff member,
(22:38):
volunteer for us for years, medical professor, brilliant guy in
his eighties who hasn't forgotten much well ironically because he's
still in practice. That week, the first COVID patient in
his part of the country showed up in his office
and he was the first doctor in that part of
the country to be sent home to be quarantined for
(22:58):
fourteen days because that COVID patient had walked past his
open office store. And this is where it all began.
We started there and for five years we were on
this subject, inside out, upside down every day. And what
doctor Chuck told us at the beginning proved to be
true in the end. But we didn't listen to the
(23:18):
old smart doctors.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
We listened to Fauci Yeah, and to Tie and Alex Karp,
who we featured in our Sounds of the day. We
didn't allow ourselves to be turned into a product, a
product of the pro vax or anti vax, pro mask
or anti mask. We followed facts in science, and that's
what protected us through the journey and unfortunately what made
(23:42):
victims of much of America throughout COVID. But what's really
wild to look at is how we're seeing some things
more clearly, but not as clearly as we should five
years later. And tomorrow David'll be back and we're going
to take a look at the Is this what led
to the loss of the youth and the political revolution
(24:04):
and awakening that took place that sent kids from a
sure vote for the left to a sure vote for
the right. We'll do that tomorrow. First things first, start
outright our right.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
This is CNN, this is the news, and that's a
lot more people are watching the cartoon Networks. Lunch Robbery
runs right now. I'm big ad Democrat. This is like
a Goldston in a pass.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
You should have a government that just minds its own
damn business and leaves people.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Alone, often entertaining, always interesting sounds of the day.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
David stick around.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I think you're going to enjoy this as the left
searches for a messenger and searches for a message and
can't find it, and now find themselves fighting amongst themselves
about what they should or shouldn't be doing. Here's James
Carvell back at the table. We go all the way
back to the Clinton administration strategist to try to understand
where we should go next.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Listen, what I say is something organic coming up from
around the country. I don't think that there was a
a lot of organization. If you remember in twenty seventeen
he had like a million women on them all. This
is happening all around the country. So the question is
how should democratic politicians respond to this, and what I
(25:16):
think they should do is what we call in role America.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Play possible.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Just let it go, don't get in the way of it,
or as would like to say, don't just stand there,
do nothing, let this germinate.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
You know, we're both from LSU, but we rarely agree
on anything. On this one, I agree they really this
plain obstructionist is backfiring because why the American people elected
Donald Trump. He's doing what he said he would do,
and poll after pol daily shows the American people are
(25:52):
agreeing with him. So to play obstruction game. Well, and
isn't it ironic? They made the whole race about democracy's
at stake. Well, they lost. Democracy is what caused them
to lose, and democracy is causing the death of the
Democrat Party and they don't get it. So here's James
Carvill saying, do nothing, stupid, just sit there, play it out,
(26:14):
maybe even join in a little bit. But they can't, David,
because they're stuck playing us versus them. They will they
even awaken to that.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
No, it's too long. It's generational.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
They've got to have a complete recreation from the inside out.
And you'll notice that some of their biggest players have
gone deadstone, quiet, silent, You can't find him.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Where's John Bodesta? Just waiting to take the office again?
All right?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
In the meantime, here's the view's reaction to what Carville said,
do nothing.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
One's reacting to everything he throws out, and then nothing
goes anywhere.
Speaker 9 (26:46):
I disagree with Carville, and I disagree with you because
I do because I have lived long enough to say
that people who do nothing empower the enemy.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
They do.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I believe that the President of the United State to
the American people at the enemy, and.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
I believe that Americans you can trust, multitask, you can march,
and you can do whatever and let them do what
they're doing.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
You can do both.
Speaker 9 (27:12):
And the main thing you can do is cordy Republican
senators and congress people and tell them that you're not
happy with what's going on. You did not vote for
this what they're doing right now, and not to Democratics
that we know what the Democrats are. It's the Republicans
you've got to get to.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
I don't like you know to Some agree is if
you treat everything like a five alarm fire, people might
tune it out.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
It's noise.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
So decide what truly matters. And David Oxlrod got a
lot of flak for saying let USAID criticisms go, I
love USAID. I've been on missions abroad where we use
it to help people, but it's intangible to voters. It
doesn't really impact American voter's life. Hey, if do'ge comes
into the Social Security Administration and something happens, that's where
you hold your real fight.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
Is going into my social security and the ils well
that's the.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
World according to the view they think DOSEE is going
into her personal social security. No, that you have safeguards
in place. So while some people can see accounts that
belong to and I'm not making this up vampires, people
three hundred and sixty years old, they can't see even
though that category or account is there, they can't see
(28:21):
if money is flowing to it. So that takes another
person that's able to see where money is flowing and
then put them together. Nobody's looking to go through your
personal social security unless you are one getting it in fraud.
But again, what you're hearing, David, is the struggle to
figure out do we fight, do we obstruct, or do
(28:45):
we shut up? And then if it is fight, What
do we fight and what is our solution? They don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
They kind of reminds me of teenage conversations over landline
telephones in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Well, it doesn't get it doesn't get any better if
we go to to Chris Matthews. Let's see what he's saying.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
And I watched the Democrats and the media too. It's
very hard to take on a firing squad. A lot
of bullets come in your way, all aiming at you,
and you've got to shoot back in all directions. At
the same time, Nobody in the Democratic Party can say
Schumwer can't do it. He's a good leader, you know,
PELUSI was a fabulous leader.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Obama. Obama feels about it most interesting.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
You know, Peter Baker can do it. The New York Times.
You know, he's one of the few people who can
actually lead a news story and talk about everything that's
going on and attack back. Why can't a Democratic leader
to stand up and say, when I just said what
I just said. This guy's taking down the Congress, He's
taking down the rights of the American people. He's the
big boss overseas and back here. The big boss listen
(29:54):
to him do what he says. Nobody's saying that. Chris
Murphy's trying I keep winning.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Who's going to.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Stand He's going to take a shot back at this guy.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Who's going to take a shot back at this guy?
And interesting thing to say against Donald Trump who was
shot at and took a shot.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
In the air.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
All right, bottom line, they don't have a messenger, and
they don't have a message.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And right now, accountability is you know what, because if
Doge ever turns to Obamacare and does the real research
on that whole fiasco, watch out well.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Or as Maxine Water said, and we've been looking for
a way to work Maxine into the show. She may
have exposed it best Jeffrey when she said, see, I
have to go find it. Sorry, Oh never mind, we
know what all they have on us. We don't know
what they all have on us yet. Maybe that's what's
(30:48):
really playing out, all right, Davi, when we come back tomorrow,
is this where they lost the youth vote and created
a political revolution. More with David Sinati tomorrow. Thanks for
joining us, David.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Thanks and I do.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Not blame you for COVID, but I look forward to
the next virus you have for me when you return
to town. Hey, I hope you have a strategy for
self protection. I believe in the Second Amendment. I am
a gun owner. That's certainly a part of my strategy.
But you know what, I'm not always comfortable with making
life and death decisions in a split second. Nor do
I know if I would make that life or death
(31:18):
decision in a split second. I think I know, But
it's the middle of the night, somebody breaks into my
house and I.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
See a kid. Do I pull the trigger?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Well, that's where Berner comes in, and the Berna launcher
the leader in less lethal self defense, because now I
have a kinetic realm that I know is going to
incapacitate that person, and I can hit him with another
and I can hit him with a third, this time
that has tear gas. Now I can do it without
(31:46):
taking a life and having to live with that the
rest of my life, or even defend.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It in court.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
It is a wonderful compliment to your self defense strategy.
The Burner less lethal self defense platform. It provides formidable
stopping power without the complexities and potential legal consequences of ahmastide.
It's legal in all fifty states, no background check, no permits,
no waiting periods. You can have a ship to your
door today. I personally own one. Every burner is hand
(32:17):
assembled in Fort Wayne, Indiana by a proud American company.
Check it out today or fact order one today. Go
to burna b y r NA, burna dot com and
if you go to Berner dot com forward slash yms
as in your morning show, you get ten percent off
your purchase burna dot Com forward slash y ms Burner.
(32:37):
Where safety meets responsibility and preparation meets a peace of mind.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chrono.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
If you're just waking up, A federal judge is declining
a request from fourteen attorneys generals to temporarily ban Elon musk.
Don Decker told you so yesterday. Peace talks dow and
US and Russia are done. Now. US Special Envoy for
Ukraine and Russia, Keith Kellogg, is on his way to Ukraine.
The Pope now with pneumonia in both lungs. That's taken
(33:08):
a turn for the worst in a large part of
the country, dealing with freezing temperatures. We woke up to
blanket a snow here in Middle Tennessee. It's winter. That
groundhog was right, there was at least six more weeks
of it. Congress is struggling to strike a deal to
keep the government funded. Our White House correspondent John Decker
is back with the latest down that Good morning, John.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Hey, good morning to you.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Michael.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Hope you're doing well today.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Well I have COVID. Oh no, yeah, I know you
called it on the judge. And by the way, that
judge also indicated even if you could have proven and
they didn't, they failed to that your state was in
some kind of jeopardy or would have harm. Even if
you go beyond that, she's still not inclined to see this.
So this, you know, if the Left is going to
(33:50):
continue to play the obstruction card and try to play
it in court, well, the poll suggests it's not playing
well in the court from a public opinion, and judge
after judge it isn't playing well either. So it'll be
interesting to see where they go next.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Well, it will be interesting.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
But that was something, as you point out, forecast would
happen with Judge Tanya chuck In denying that request for
a temporary restraining order that was requested by those Democratic
state attorneys general and now the work of Elon Musk
his Department of Government Efficiency continues, and as you mentioned,
(34:26):
there's a looming deadline. It will be here before you
know it. March to fourteenth midnight is when funding for
the government could run out if there's no deal.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Reach to continue funding the government for the rest of
this fiscal year.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So the reason we bring both these stories up together
is if one side wants to just play obstruction, then
they're less than a month away from playing their self
right into a government shutdown potentially, right, Well, that's right.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
The dynamics are different, though.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
You know what we've seen Congress do time and.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Time again we talk about it.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Michael has kicked this can down the road, funding the
government for a few months at a time, and we're
up against that deadline.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
On March to fourteenth. But of course, the last time
that Congress did that, it.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Was divided government. Democrats controlled the Senate, Republicans control the House,
of course, the White House controlled by Joe Biden.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Now, of course it's Republicans to.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Control all the leavers of government. So if there is
a government shutdown, I think it goes to assume that
Republicans would be blamed for that government shutdown, and that
would have an impact on service members in terms of
getting paid. It would have an impact on those that
rely on V eight benefits.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Those rely on Social Security checks, They may not.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Arrive on time.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
So very real life consequences if indeed.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
There is a government shutdown.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And that's ladies for John Decker or White House correspondent.
You have a great day. We'll talk again tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
We're all in this together. This is your Morning Show
with Michael nheld Joano
Speaker 1 (36:00):
A be
Popular Podcasts
CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist
It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.