Covid revealed more than it caused, and it’s still revealing. YMS senior contributor Dave Zanotti joins us to look at COVID and America five years later.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Previously on Your Morning show with Michael Del Choonho.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
If you're just waking up. David'sanati is the CEO of
the American Policy Roundtable, host of The Public Square, heard
on two hundred stations. He's our senior correspondent and contributor.
And we started a conversation yesterday which I think really
goes to reaction to a Pew Research poll talking to
America about COVID five years later. So we're in this
(00:27):
process of life is best understood looking back. Unfortunately it
has to be live looking forward. Well, David and I
were looking forward as COVID COVID was happening, and we're
looking back five years later at everything that we were
told we were crazy for saying, or a conspiratory for
saying that is now truth. But does America get it
five years later? That's the question of the hour, and
David's here to talk about COVID and America five years later.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Good morning David, Good morning Michael.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
And what a pain in the neck it is to
be talking about COVID five years later.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, and you know me, I take this sh show
very seriously. I decided to have COVID while we have
the COVID discussion.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's not funny, but no, but that's.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
The big difference between today now. Again, COVID changed a lot.
You know, the Delta was a bad version and some
of us lost some friends during delta. This is virology
one oh one. You don't defeat viruses. You learn to
live with them. And how do you learn to live
with them? Well, some susceptible people get it and die.
Others get it and live and then have immunity. Plus
(01:27):
the virus as it mutates, gets weaker and weaker and weaker.
So the difference between now and five years ago is
I just told you I had COVID, and nobody assumed
I was going to die. Five years ago, you'd have
had a different assumption. So that gets into narrative and
how things were sold to you, and they weren't accurate.
So David and I began our journey in real time.
Remember I went to the University of Washington's website. I
(01:48):
wanted to see what assumptions they were putting, and they
didn't have data, and I couldn't find the assumptions anywhere.
I don't think they've ever even come clean with the
assumptions you were told to stay home, stay safe.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
This is the new normal.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's when I knew a game was being played, because
it's never a new normal. That was number one. Number two,
you were told Fauci's the expert, do whatever he says.
I don't think America has that view five years later either.
How much has America learned and how much is COVID
responsible for?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Follow me on this.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
This is a crazy twist awakening America in a way
that has led to a new America that's not playing
the matrix and narrative games anymore. All of the agendized
in doctrination has just crumbled in a day, and we
can't figure out how it was defeated so fast. I
think COVID played a role in that as well.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Well.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It's a great question, it's also a difficult question in
this regard. We can look at polling data, we can
look at pure research. The Atlantic is spouting off about this.
I've sent you an article from David from who is
one of their most fascinating writers, who has an article
up right now about this very subject, how COVID deniers won,
(03:06):
And you can look at the polling data the research.
The problem is we don't trust the people that are
doing the polling data. We don't trust the researchers, and
we certainly don't trust the opinionists that are writing about this.
So it's kind of a crazy inverted question because it
comes down to the fact that what happened in COVID
(03:28):
was an exposure of the fact that we can't trust
people in power because they're more interested in manipulating people
than they are in telling the truth.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And that's I believe. You can look at all the
data and.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
When you get down to it, it comes down to
they don't trust these people anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
We don't trust these people anymore. We have good reason
not to. One thing.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You said a lot of things during COVID, and doctor
McGowan said a lot of things during COVID. We wouldn't
have been as wise as we were without him. But
I had made the the statement COVID revealed more than
it did, and that really struck a chord with you.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It really did.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It revealed a lot about America and our divisions. So
COVID arrived as the matrix was already in place, the
US versus them far left, far right, and some played along,
some didn't, some lived in fears some didn't. The research
from Pew shows that everything that the left did with COVID,
(04:27):
which was go along with it, no matter what they said,
and if you didn't vaccinate, now you were an enemy.
If you didn't wear a mask, now you were an enemy.
It just got crazy. What the Pew research found was
everybody that viewed it one way during COVID still views
it that way, and anybody that viewed it the other
way when it was happening still views it that way.
(04:48):
So the matrix is still in place. That's what was
confusing about a lot of the information. Now that was
America's not any wiser Five years later, everybody's in the
same position.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
And in some ways, what no one's talking about is
this really does go back to the Obamacare debate, and
in fact, it even goes back farther than that, to
nineteen ninety four when Bill Clinton stood up in a
State of the Union address and said, here's what's going
to save America. Here's your health Security card. We're going
to take away your greatest fear, which is that you're
(05:16):
going to get sick. Not we all know we're going
to die, but we're going to take care of your
problem of being sick, and that's what the government's going
to do for all of us. We began down this
road of believing that the government was going to take
away our biggest fear, that fear that we couldn't get
access to healthcare, that we couldn't get the services that
we were going to need, that life was going to
(05:36):
spiral out of control and economically, and the government was
going to come in and start Those were the seeds
that were planted in Hillary's Clinton's private group that basically
put together the nineteen ninety four Health Security Act. It
came forward in Obamacare with the same kind of fear,
fear fear. So we've been set up on fear and
health because it's a very vulnerable spot for us. No
(05:59):
one wants their kid to not have health care, No
one wants to be abandoned when they're old.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So they've been playing on this fear thing with us.
So it was perfect to.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Come up with a pandemic and then to see how
far you could push the fear. Now that sounds like conspiratorialism,
and it sounds like we're some kind of paranoid people
know it's what they did.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Now that we look back, we see Fauci said, we changed.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The information based on how well we were manipulating the
outcome of people's choices, and we don't feel like they
were listening to us, so we had to change the game.
It was nothing to do with science, nothing to do
with facts or health. It had everything to do with
who was controlling the population. And when people got to
(06:42):
the end of it, they realized they've been jerked around
for no good reason.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's why I said it revealed more than it did
because when it arrived, the United States was already experiencing
three major societal trends. The growing divide between the partisan
left and right. So the COVID arrived in a matrix
decreasing trust in institutions was already in place. And then
(07:08):
it became wear a mask social distance. Some trust that
get the vaccine, some trusted that, some didn't.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Don't jump in the swimming pool. Right, remember that one.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, let's say it's what led to some people were
driving around their car wearing.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
A mask all alone by themselves.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean, you know, Or how about when you
went to a restaurant that was still my favorite. Yeah,
you had to wear your mask until you were at
your seat. So apparently the virus could get you in
the lobby but couldn't get you at the table. It
was there was, there was a lot of instand and
then finally the splintering of the information environment. I think,
I think the depth of journalism was already in place
(07:46):
when COVID arrived, and people realize how misinformed they were.
I think these these three trends are dying right now
that there's an awakening, but for much of America, and
when I say much, I mean I don't know. I
used to say it was about thirty five percent in
the far left, but I still think it's somewhere around
thirty five to forty percent that are still not arriving
(08:10):
at these same conclusions. But most of America's moved on
enough to give a new presidency in a new direction.
But yeah, do I guess let's go back to the
first question. Do we understand COVID any better factually today
than we did five years ago? And you and I
lived at both in real time and today, and I
would say more than five years ago, but not much better.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I wish I could give you a much more resounding answer,
But the politicians and the public health officials made this
about power and control, and then Podesta and Soros and
the left jumped on it for political advantage behind the
scenes in changing election laws. And then the Trump people
responded to that, and this thing spiraled out of control
(08:58):
in multiple dimensions.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Exploited all of our weaknesses. That's what COVID did. It
exploited all of our weaknesses.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Now there's still a great amount of controversy about the
actual impact and death toll of COVID.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Who died who didn't. I mean, there's and why.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Because if you were dying of lung cancer and at
the time of your death you had COVID, you were
considered a COVID death, what you really died of was
life and all the.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Choices you made throughout your life.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I want to get to I have two minutes before
this break, and maybe maybe your answers needs to be
after the break. I don't know. But you brought up
David from in the Atlantic. Here's his quote. We live
in an impersonal universe, indifferent to our hopes and wishes,
subject to extreme randomness. We don't like this at all.
We crave satisfying explanations. We want to believe that somebody
(09:53):
is in control, even if it's somebody we don't like.
At least that way we can blame bad events on
bad people. This is the eternal appeal of conspiracy theories.
How did this happen? Somebody must have done it? But
who and why? Well, if that were true, wouldn't you
have asked or listened to Donald Trump, who was your president,
(10:16):
saying what was this gain of function research? Why was
it being done in China? Why were we a part
of it? How did it get out? Did it get out?
I'm on accident? And even if it was an accident,
why did China do so much to protect its own
country and we're so reckless to allow it to spread
to other cortries? They weren't interested in any of those questions.
If that was true that theory, what do you make
of that?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well, I think you're right, and I do delighted to
come back and talk more about it after the break.
But what it really shows us is that whether we're
talking about the Associated Press or the Atlantic, whether we're
talking about people that are masquerading as journalists are honest
about being opinionless, worldview matters, and what David from in
the Atlantic are trying to do is to completely rewrite
the COVID history, completely rewrite it to conform to their
(10:59):
world worldview. And that worldview I heard a term used
earlier on this broadcast according to what f I'm just
described as pagan.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Well, the reality is time hasn't been kind to their theory.
Fauci needed to be pardoned for fourteen years prior to
any actual charges because there must be something he needed
to be preemptively pardoned for. I don't think anybody mean
there is no more guessing on the gain of function
(11:31):
research or the China leak, which was once considered a conspiracy.
If you brought up, in other words, virtually everything David
we were well, let me rephrase that virtually everything David
I was threatened to be fired for saying, for everything
that we were told we were crazy for saying, that's
now truth, not conspiracy. Everything that was telling us as
(11:51):
a liar is now proven liar. How does that suspend
itself in mid air? I mean, time hasn't been kind
to this either as a deniers. Yeah, and where are
the American people in between? Well? I think I think
probably more people today see Fauci for what we saw
him as then I mean, this is a guy that
came out of nowhere and we were told he is.
(12:12):
Do you remember when everybody on television, whether it was
local or national, the most pre eminent biology virologist, and
he was none of.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Those things you're making getting hills going over and down
back my neck.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
This hurts so much talking about that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, yeah, because I remember, I'm like, who the hell
dropped dead? Made this guy boss? It just didn't fit
my discernment. And then when they came out with the mantra,
and I would hear it on a visa commercial, all right,
hear it from a vice president, or right, hear it
from a president?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
All right?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Hear it from the doctors in their daily news conferences.
Are the feared scrolls at the bottom.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
To break my ears are starting to believe?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You remember the bottom of the screen the death toll,
and it would be moving live on the air.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I mean, it was all a.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Scare tactic for the purposes of control. Now, I think
there are probably more people today that see Fauci differently
than then. But by and large, does America understand the
greatest do I say, hoax or scam that was ever
perpetrated on the American people in history, by its government,
(13:11):
by its institutions, by maybe even your primary physician, by
the mainstream death of journalist media. Do you realize how
you were betrayed five years later any better than when
they were betraying you.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I guess that's the question that still goes unanswered.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But we'll have more when.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
We come back.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
we'll miss you. It's your morning show with Michael del Chourno.
Previously on Your Morning show with Michael Del Choonho.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
If you're just waking up. David'sanati is the CEO of
the American Policy Roundtable, host of The Public Square, heard
on two hundred stations. He's our senior correspondent and contributor.
And we started a conversation yesterday which I think really
goes to reaction to a Pew Research poll talking to
America about COVID five years later. So we're in this
(00:27):
process of life is best understood looking back. Unfortunately it
has to be live looking forward. Well, David and I
were looking forward as COVID COVID was happening, and we're
looking back five years later at everything that we were
told we were crazy for saying, or a conspiratory for
saying that is now truth. But does America get it
five years later? That's the question of the hour, and
David's here to talk about COVID and America five years later.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Good morning David, Good morning Michael.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
And what a pain in the neck it is to
be talking about COVID five years later.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, and you know me, I take this sh show
very seriously. I decided to have COVID while we have
the COVID discussion.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's not funny, but no, but that's.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
The big difference between today now. Again, COVID changed a lot.
You know, the Delta was a bad version and some
of us lost some friends during delta. This is virology
one oh one. You don't defeat viruses. You learn to
live with them. And how do you learn to live
with them? Well, some susceptible people get it and die.
Others get it and live and then have immunity. Plus
(01:27):
the virus as it mutates, gets weaker and weaker and weaker.
So the difference between now and five years ago is
I just told you I had COVID, and nobody assumed
I was going to die. Five years ago, you'd have
had a different assumption. So that gets into narrative and
how things were sold to you, and they weren't accurate.
So David and I began our journey in real time.
Remember I went to the University of Washington's website. I
(01:48):
wanted to see what assumptions they were putting, and they
didn't have data, and I couldn't find the assumptions anywhere.
I don't think they've ever even come clean with the
assumptions you were told to stay home, stay safe.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
This is the new normal.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's when I knew a game was being played, because
it's never a new normal. That was number one. Number two,
you were told Fauci's the expert, do whatever he says.
I don't think America has that view five years later either.
How much has America learned and how much is COVID
responsible for?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Follow me on this.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
This is a crazy twist awakening America in a way
that has led to a new America that's not playing
the matrix and narrative games anymore. All of the agendized
in doctrination has just crumbled in a day, and we
can't figure out how it was defeated so fast. I
think COVID played a role in that as well.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Well.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It's a great question, it's also a difficult question in
this regard. We can look at polling data, we can
look at pure research. The Atlantic is spouting off about this.
I've sent you an article from David from who is
one of their most fascinating writers, who has an article
up right now about this very subject, how COVID deniers won,
(03:06):
And you can look at the polling data the research.
The problem is we don't trust the people that are
doing the polling data. We don't trust the researchers, and
we certainly don't trust the opinionists that are writing about this.
So it's kind of a crazy inverted question because it
comes down to the fact that what happened in COVID
(03:28):
was an exposure of the fact that we can't trust
people in power because they're more interested in manipulating people
than they are in telling the truth.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And that's I believe. You can look at all the
data and.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
When you get down to it, it comes down to
they don't trust these people anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
We don't trust these people anymore. We have good reason
not to. One thing.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You said a lot of things during COVID, and doctor
McGowan said a lot of things during COVID. We wouldn't
have been as wise as we were without him. But
I had made the the statement COVID revealed more than
it did, and that really struck a chord with you.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It really did.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It revealed a lot about America and our divisions. So
COVID arrived as the matrix was already in place, the
US versus them far left, far right, and some played along,
some didn't, some lived in fears some didn't. The research
from Pew shows that everything that the left did with COVID,
(04:27):
which was go along with it, no matter what they said,
and if you didn't vaccinate, now you were an enemy.
If you didn't wear a mask, now you were an enemy.
It just got crazy. What the Pew research found was
everybody that viewed it one way during COVID still views
it that way, and anybody that viewed it the other
way when it was happening still views it that way.
(04:48):
So the matrix is still in place. That's what was
confusing about a lot of the information. Now that was
America's not any wiser Five years later, everybody's in the
same position.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
And in some ways, what no one's talking about is
this really does go back to the Obamacare debate, and
in fact, it even goes back farther than that, to
nineteen ninety four when Bill Clinton stood up in a
State of the Union address and said, here's what's going
to save America. Here's your health Security card. We're going
to take away your greatest fear, which is that you're
(05:16):
going to get sick. Not we all know we're going
to die, but we're going to take care of your
problem of being sick, and that's what the government's going
to do for all of us. We began down this
road of believing that the government was going to take
away our biggest fear, that fear that we couldn't get
access to healthcare, that we couldn't get the services that
we were going to need, that life was going to
(05:36):
spiral out of control and economically, and the government was
going to come in and start Those were the seeds
that were planted in Hillary's Clinton's private group that basically
put together the nineteen ninety four Health Security Act. It
came forward in Obamacare with the same kind of fear,
fear fear. So we've been set up on fear and
health because it's a very vulnerable spot for us. No
(05:59):
one wants their kid to not have health care, No
one wants to be abandoned when they're old.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So they've been playing on this fear thing with us.
So it was perfect to.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Come up with a pandemic and then to see how
far you could push the fear. Now that sounds like conspiratorialism,
and it sounds like we're some kind of paranoid people
know it's what they did.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Now that we look back, we see Fauci said, we changed.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The information based on how well we were manipulating the
outcome of people's choices, and we don't feel like they
were listening to us, so we had to change the game.
It was nothing to do with science, nothing to do
with facts or health. It had everything to do with
who was controlling the population. And when people got to
(06:42):
the end of it, they realized they've been jerked around
for no good reason.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's why I said it revealed more than it did
because when it arrived, the United States was already experiencing
three major societal trends. The growing divide between the partisan
left and right. So the COVID arrived in a matrix
decreasing trust in institutions was already in place. And then
(07:08):
it became wear a mask social distance. Some trust that
get the vaccine, some trusted that, some didn't.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Don't jump in the swimming pool. Right, remember that one.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, let's say it's what led to some people were
driving around their car wearing.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
A mask all alone by themselves.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean, you know, Or how about when you
went to a restaurant that was still my favorite. Yeah,
you had to wear your mask until you were at
your seat. So apparently the virus could get you in
the lobby but couldn't get you at the table. It
was there was, there was a lot of instand and
then finally the splintering of the information environment. I think,
I think the depth of journalism was already in place
(07:46):
when COVID arrived, and people realize how misinformed they were.
I think these these three trends are dying right now
that there's an awakening, but for much of America, and
when I say much, I mean I don't know. I
used to say it was about thirty five percent in
the far left, but I still think it's somewhere around
thirty five to forty percent that are still not arriving
(08:10):
at these same conclusions. But most of America's moved on
enough to give a new presidency in a new direction.
But yeah, do I guess let's go back to the
first question. Do we understand COVID any better factually today
than we did five years ago? And you and I
lived at both in real time and today, and I
would say more than five years ago, but not much better.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I wish I could give you a much more resounding answer,
But the politicians and the public health officials made this
about power and control, and then Podesta and Soros and
the left jumped on it for political advantage behind the
scenes in changing election laws. And then the Trump people
responded to that, and this thing spiraled out of control
(08:58):
in multiple dimensions.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Exploited all of our weaknesses. That's what COVID did. It
exploited all of our weaknesses.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Now there's still a great amount of controversy about the
actual impact and death toll of COVID.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Who died who didn't. I mean, there's and why.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Because if you were dying of lung cancer and at
the time of your death you had COVID, you were
considered a COVID death, what you really died of was
life and all the.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Choices you made throughout your life.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I want to get to I have two minutes before
this break, and maybe maybe your answers needs to be
after the break. I don't know. But you brought up
David from in the Atlantic. Here's his quote. We live
in an impersonal universe, indifferent to our hopes and wishes,
subject to extreme randomness. We don't like this at all.
We crave satisfying explanations. We want to believe that somebody
(09:53):
is in control, even if it's somebody we don't like.
At least that way we can blame bad events on
bad people. This is the eternal appeal of conspiracy theories.
How did this happen? Somebody must have done it? But
who and why? Well, if that were true, wouldn't you
have asked or listened to Donald Trump, who was your president,
(10:16):
saying what was this gain of function research? Why was
it being done in China? Why were we a part
of it? How did it get out? Did it get out?
I'm on accident? And even if it was an accident,
why did China do so much to protect its own
country and we're so reckless to allow it to spread
to other cortries? They weren't interested in any of those questions.
If that was true that theory, what do you make
of that?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well, I think you're right, and I do delighted to
come back and talk more about it after the break.
But what it really shows us is that whether we're
talking about the Associated Press or the Atlantic, whether we're
talking about people that are masquerading as journalists are honest
about being opinionless, worldview matters, and what David from in
the Atlantic are trying to do is to completely rewrite
the COVID history, completely rewrite it to conform to their
(10:59):
world worldview. And that worldview I heard a term used
earlier on this broadcast according to what f I'm just
described as pagan.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Well, the reality is time hasn't been kind to their theory.
Fauci needed to be pardoned for fourteen years prior to
any actual charges because there must be something he needed
to be preemptively pardoned for. I don't think anybody mean
there is no more guessing on the gain of function
(11:31):
research or the China leak, which was once considered a conspiracy.
If you brought up, in other words, virtually everything David
we were well, let me rephrase that virtually everything David
I was threatened to be fired for saying, for everything
that we were told we were crazy for saying, that's
now truth, not conspiracy. Everything that was telling us as
(11:51):
a liar is now proven liar. How does that suspend
itself in mid air? I mean, time hasn't been kind
to this either as a deniers. Yeah, and where are
the American people in between? Well? I think I think
probably more people today see Fauci for what we saw
him as then I mean, this is a guy that
came out of nowhere and we were told he is.
(12:12):
Do you remember when everybody on television, whether it was
local or national, the most pre eminent biology virologist, and
he was none of.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Those things you're making getting hills going over and down
back my neck.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
This hurts so much talking about that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, yeah, because I remember, I'm like, who the hell
dropped dead? Made this guy boss? It just didn't fit
my discernment. And then when they came out with the mantra,
and I would hear it on a visa commercial, all right,
hear it from a vice president, or right, hear it
from a president?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
All right?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Hear it from the doctors in their daily news conferences.
Are the feared scrolls at the bottom.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
To break my ears are starting to believe?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You remember the bottom of the screen the death toll,
and it would be moving live on the air.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I mean, it was all a.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Scare tactic for the purposes of control. Now, I think
there are probably more people today that see Fauci differently
than then. But by and large, does America understand the
greatest do I say, hoax or scam that was ever
perpetrated on the American people in history, by its government,
(13:11):
by its institutions, by maybe even your primary physician, by
the mainstream death of journalist media. Do you realize how
you were betrayed five years later any better than when
they were betraying you.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I guess that's the question that still goes unanswered.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But we'll have more when.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
We come back.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
we'll miss you. It's your morning show with Michael del Chourno.
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