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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Previously on Your Morning Show with Michael Del Choono.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
David Zanatti's our senior contributor and joins us every Wednesday.
He's also the CEO of the American Policy Roundtable, presides
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How important is you know? You did just a quick
little search and you couldn't find us. Now, yesterday there
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was quite a bit, but today Foxnews you got to
go six to ten stories deep to find something.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
On the papacy.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, it just it begs the question does the Holy
Sea still matter?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And if so?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
How I think this is interesting? Michael, I'm completely underreported.
First off, I found it fascinating that immediately upon the
Pope's death and then for the next say, forty eight hours,
Foxnews acted as if now on their phone at website,
which is really their dominant delivery system and probably more
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dominant than television, you found almost nothing about the death
of the Pope. Well, at the same time, as the
days unfolded, as you look at the Fox News site,
it was six deep, it was ten deep. Meanwhile, it's
the top six straight stories on the New York Times,
on the Washington Post. And I'm thinking to myself, this
is weird. You know, there are about a half a
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dozen towers that try to define reality for us. Every
morning you get the Wall Street Journal and the Fox
News and the New York Times, Washington Post, Atlantic. They're
out there emanating messages, broadcasting, telecasting and in print mechanisms
now over our phone apps, largely trying to tell us
what's happening and what's real. Well, there's a lot of
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Catholics in the world, and in the United States, depending
on how you analyze the statistics, between fifty to three
and seventy million people still a conservative number of the
Catholic Church.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The servative numbers are sixty million in the United States,
and we're talking I think it's four.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Point two billion in the world.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I mean, I had somebody in the talk back, and
I'm not making fun of them, but they were just like,
why should we care about the pope because there's sixty
million Catholics in America at least, and because there's four point.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Two billion in the world. I mean, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's almost as if it's it's almost as if the
papacy has fallen in to the political matrix, if you will.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I think that's a fair and logical conclusion. It's crystal
clear that Fox News doesn't give a whole heck of
a lot about this issue, and of course they have
every right to do so. But now we're seeing that
it's no longer this isn't look the death of a
pope is news.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
I understand. I'm not a Roman Catholic. I'm not either
my job. My job is historical, political, and legal. But
I can count.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
In the United States, presidency is gathering the majority of
president electorals seventy five to eighty million people voting, and
you've got seventy or sixty or fifty two million, depending
on whose numbers you're looking at Roman Catholics, and they vote.
That is a significant impact on American cultural life. Let
alone all of the academic centers, the parish priests, and
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local parish and congregations. But let's talk about the fact
this is the institution of the Roman Catholic Church. Whether
you like it or hate, it is the oldest operating
corporation in the human race. It's been around for two
thousand years. Functioning, and it's still functioning today. So when
it's leader who has tremendous influence over every aspect of
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it disappears by death, you say, okay, that's news. So
I just wonder I find it interesting that Fox is
more interested in talking about defaming and crushing Democrats and
they are a genuine world news story and an American.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well and by the way, that's the second news phenomenon
I experienced. My daughter's best friend goes to Florida State University.
I got to tell you when I started interviewing a
long time ago, almost two years ago, with iHeart, about
two steps into the process, they said, well, you know,
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we really can't do anything. You really need to spend
some time with Chris Berry. Well, I'm not a network guy,
you know this. I'm not a nerd that pours over
the radio trades and networks.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
And he's not a social climbery.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah, not a you know, a fanny kiss.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But I knew Chris Berry WBBM, ABC, and I was
like really nervous to me. So the way I diffused
it was when he got on the phone, I basically said, listen,
I don't follow a lot of people's careers yours, I
have you. I know this guy was side by side
with Peter Jennings. I said, listen, it's gonna take me
a while to get used to talking to you. But
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he is such a news person. And Chris breaks news
stories daily fifteen twenty minutes before the networks. But let
me get to the strange part of the story. So
I get a text and it's a news alert coming
from Chris that there is an active shooter at Florida
State University. Well, naturally, Shavani comes to mind. I go
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and I tell Andrew it took twenty minutes before these
daytime Fox shows. They have the Outnumbered show and they're
just doing softball topics with somebody, and nobody's breaking in
and I'm going, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
What is going on?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Finally, in the middle of something, you just see the
person stall and they're like staring. That means the producer's
talking to them in the ears. They utter a one
sentence line. I go to CNN. They didn't do anything
for another fifteen minutes. It was just as if you know,
everybody is so focused on these narratives, or as you
said in Foxes and the criticism of Fox, all I
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could do the same criticism of at MSNBC and all
the rest of the left. One side is so focused
on Trump arrangement. One side is so focused I'm bashing Democrats.
It is that we've lost sight of news. Remember the
days where we almost needed an MTV too, because MTV
wasn't playing music videos anymore. They were all doing reality shows.
So there is something strange going on. I mean, I
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guess death of journalism, death of news judgment. And I
don't want to over focus, but if we are going
to focus on the papacy, this is a big deal.
You know, for two thousand years we went from Pope Benedict,
a conservative, to Pope Francis, very progressive red and I
were breaking down the numbers of the one hundred and
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thirty five cardinals that will vote in this conclave. Eighty
percent of them are Francis's peoples, and eight of them. Yeah,
and there's only like twenty left from Benedict, and I
think two left from John Paul the second. So you know,
we're seeing a cultural and political shift in America. There
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is some political divide within the Catholic Church, and this
is going to be settled by a heavily leaning progressive conclave.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
To me, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And then you know the whole tradition of it, the conclave,
you know, being sequestered, and then the black smoke when
they don't have a vote, white smoke.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
When they do.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And it's like this time there just doesn't seem something
seems different, and I can't put my finger on it.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Well, I do think it's the derangement syndrome, I think,
and it's the silo effect.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
You and I have been seeing this coming for years.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
It's interesting talking about you and I got to Nashville
at the same time, yeah, same year, and didn't know
each other at the time, but we ended up in
the same spot. And it's interesting because there is a
shift from when we started in Nashville to where we
are today. Dramatic shift. Dramatic shift. I mean we get
started on the radio nineteen eighty nine. News actually mattered
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in nineteen eighty nine. You could actually take a newspaper
and read it, and honest to goodness, you could get
real stories about what was going on. Now you wake
up and it's all about here and makeup and who's
bash and who is It's.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Just as well, there are sixty million Catholics that are
waiting on their new direction and leader, and yet you've
got people doing posts about things Francis said on global
warming and you know that kind of thing. And then
you know, I grew up in Chicago and New Orleans,
very heavy Catholic areas. My last name should tell you
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that I was born into a Catholic family, even though
I'm not Catholic today. Tulsa not so much, but not
This is the first place I lived where there is
a somewhat anti Catholic sentiment kind of a thing, and
I never experienced that until I moved here eighteen years ago.
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But put all that aside. Just from a news this
is just news. The pope is dead, There's going to
be a new pope. The direction of the church. Will
it tends to pendulum? Will it go back conservative? Will
it go even further? Will there be one of francis Is.
I mean, the front runners are all, you know, Francis underlings,
So you might even get a Francis the second I mean,
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out of this, I don't know, but nobody's even wanting
to cover it other than Show's body in the casket.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
It really is different this time.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Issues of gender, marriage and human life, the preservation of
human life, and abortion. These are issues that are underlying
driving engines in the American political enterprise at every level,
particularly federal offices from Congress on up to the White House,
and even more so now at the state level. If
the next pope that's elected decided that it's time for
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the Church to change its position on any of those issues,
that will have substantive, maybe even definitive impact on what
happens in the twenty twenty sixth election. I mean, if
you just want to be purely political, it's the top
story in the world right now in regards to what's
happening in politics. Fox completely blind to it or not caring,
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or maybe something even worse.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
All I know is when it comes to Fox, there's
more and sometimes it seems like there's more interested in
hearing makeup than there is on what's actually happening in
the world.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, you would think after the movie Bombshell they would
have moved away from that, but they don't appear to have. Okay,
so all the memes and all the jokes are jd
Vance he visits with the Pope and then mysteriously, the
Pope dies hours later. You know everything that I'm reading.
Francis knew he was dying, in fact, so much so
that his nurse, who were his last words were to
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his nurse, he asked the nurse for one more ride,
and even he looked at him and said, you think
I can do it? And they went and the Pope
will bele and took a little drive. It was really
kind of his way of saying fair world to the
people on Easter. In other words, I think a lot
of people knew the Pope was going to die. I
think the Pope knew he was going to die. So
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converted Catholic potential presidential candidate jd Vance gets a visit
in just under the wire.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Are we missing something political there? Well?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
And according to me, reports that visit was denied, which
would make sense.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's holy weak.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I mean, the post's kind of busy right now, and
he had exactly been feeling well, so it's not like
there's a line of politicians waiting to get their tickets punched.
This was a very unusual and particularly cast in this
level of intention.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
The Pope knew his hours were limited.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And sixty million votes in America with Catholics on the line.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
And it's just the last wink to basically say we
like this converted Catholic and this is the guy that
if I've got one last.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Word to say, I like this guy.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I'm sorry, it's call me skeptical, whatever you like, but
it just looks a little political to me.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Or just to clinky dinky.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Just to wrap things up on the pope, yesterday we
covered Nostra Damas had a quad train back in fifteen
fifty five, and this would be post what some people
attribute to COVID and famins and hurricanes and all that stuff,
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that there would be a black pope and that he
would have the support of a king. Now, if you
go into that of the front runners, Peter Turkson would
be the leading candidate for Nostra Damas. Now, as for
Nostra del Jarno, I said it would be Mattea Zupi
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and that potentially that's just a continuation of Francis's reign,
could even take the name Francis the Second. Here's the
updated numbers real quickly. Parallone is still the front runner,
although he has fallen from thirty seven percent to twenty
nine percent. Louis Antonio Tago, the Filipino cardinal, was twenty
three percent. He has fallen into twenty one percent. Zupie
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is now in third. He went from ten up to
eleven percent, Peter Turkson ticked up one to eight percent,
and Parabista Pizza Ball went from six percent to eight
per And yes, we were talking about it off the air.
A cardinal from Dallas by way of Dublin, Ireland will
be the dean of the Conclave, which will begin in
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the next week and a half or so.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Wait a minute, is this like on a sports wagering
site or something, these odds or Vegas is Vegas got
odds on this?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, that's normally up to our sports book head, Big John.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
But big Big John will get you the latest numbers
on the betting.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But read we're getting ours from where the from polymarket?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Polymarket? Yeah, so that's the running odds.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Although, you know, for those that have watched the movie Conclave,
it is very interesting how much this is parallel with
the movie in that the movie was centered around the
progressive liberal Cardinals versus the one loan conservative cardinal, and
one would have to wonder, you know, movement towards youth
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in movement back towards tradition or conservativism versus what seems
to be eighty percent of those that will be voting
that are progressive.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Along with Francis.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
So and again, Michael, I want to be careful that
I don't think for a second that the Catholic community
votes in any way in a monolithic fashion, whether they're
parish priest or local bishop or the pope has got
one position or the other. But to suggest that there
isn't the influence of between fifty two and seventy million
people listening to their leadership, that would be to be
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missing a significant portion of the news as it relates
to American politics, all right, and global politics.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And speaking of American politics, all right, let's talk about
the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
One. We saw Robmy Manuel on a very.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Leftist podcast called I've Had It, and Jennifer Wells just
hammers him. Robby Manuel is trying to pivot back towards
the American people and back towards the center. Most of
the party wants to double down in Trump derangement and
double down on open borders, double down on Garcia is
a victim, and you know all this other stuff. The
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direction of the party it will play out. I think
they're going to pull an AOC Obama. What do I mean?
Barack Obama speaks to the Democratic Convention and knocks everybody
on their feet. They take him from the state legislature
in Illinois to the United States Senate and sixty days
later begin his candidacy for President of the United States.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I don't have to tell you.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
He goes on to win and serve two terms, the
last two term president for the Democrats. The plan I
think is have Crockett become the new AOC and AOC
become the new Bernie Sanders. Bernie has done all he
could to hand that torch to her. The polling numbers
in New York would suggest Schumer is more than vulnerable.
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In the latest poll that we shared, he's had a
thirty nine percent favorability forty nine percent unfavorability. With the
Siena College poll, he's underwater ten percent. Contrast that to AOC,
who is sitting with a forty seven percent favorability rating
of thirty three percent unfavorability rating. That would tell you
the voters in New York want them to double down
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left and that she would be the heir apparent and
among Democrats she has a sixty four percent favorability rating
history repeating itself. Is AOC going to take out Schumer
and that will catapult the momentum into her turning around
and running for president. Already among the squad, the socialist
Bernie Sanders crowd, she'll be a front runner like Bernie
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was in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty. I mean, is
this the direction of the party And now they're all
in on the tariffs blowing up in Trump's face and
he's cutting deals that could be over before the midterms,
and there's this movement to have the party being taken
over by the socialist Democrat. How much of what's happening
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today is really on the scoreboard and going to impact
act and shape the midterm elections or is it still
way too early and irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Well that's kind of a yes and no, because you
have picked up a strain of reality here that's really important.
We need to talk about this, and that is what
are the players behind the scenes, the billionaire cartel that
is the progressive movement and is the Democrat Party?
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Who are they selecting?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Are they going to make a commitment well, they have
to because it's an open seat presidential election with a
warm up of a really important congressional race where the
advantages tends to go to the party out of power.
So they've got a tremendous window of opportunity here. And
if they choose to elevate AOC with their protection and
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their money and the six towers of major news basically
pinging her on the upward dimension at all times, yes,
they could do exactly what you're talking about. And her
advantage is because of her the nature of the way
she conducts herself. She is an intimidator. She is bombastic,
and it's difficult to deal with someone coming from that perspective.
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Now that being said, with absolutely no credence for her politics,
her legal perspective, or her historical understandings, there is a
certain romance to the idea that America could elect a
bartender from New York to the presidency of the United States, because,
after all, we raise our kids saying anybody can be president.
So they've got a narrative that will work. And because
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she's a woman, she has a profound advantage. Wouldn't the
party be can't fight fair with a woman running for
the president.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Wouldn't you have got to be careful, but wouldn't wouldn't
they be kind of going against the tide in that? Look,
if you couldn't get Hillary elected as a woman, if
you couldn't get Kamala Harris elected in a primary or
even after you handed her the nomination, great question. Do
you really think a third woman a bartender, AOC radical
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socialist left? Now I agree that that portion of the
party whose goal is to take over the party, then
get rid of the electoral college, then dismantle the Republic.
She will be the front runner because they're activists and
they will be out there and they'll be voting. And
then you add one other wrinkle to this, and that
is David hog Parkland shooting. Not that he was actually
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in the school when the shooting took place, but you know,
he becomes a darling of the Parkland shooting. Now he's
raising might to get rid of all the old people.
Schumer would definitely fall under that, and he is the
vice chair of the DNC. So the DNC is going
to try to do what they did in twenty sixteen,
where they gave you Hillary even though the people wanted
Bernie and then in twenty twenty, they gave you Biden
when the people wanted Bernie, and then they held weekend
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at Biden until they were ready to jettison him, and
then they just handed all of his votes to Kamala Harris.
All right, well, the problem this time is the people
are going to choose AOC, but you've got this guy
in the middle.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You've got a wolf in the henhouse.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So I think all the presses on to get rid
of David Hog, and get rid of him in a hurry,
because they want to usher in Wes Moore and Ronnie Manuel.
But the problem is will the Democrat voters be over
their Trump derangement syndrome by then to be reasonable?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
And where will the establishment of the Democrat Party versus
the billionaire cartel that has hollowed out that establishment and
now creates its own power of influence in this Where
will that play happen? The key to remember, though, is
that all of us in this world tend to look
at everything in light of the last two or three battles.
This is a completely different battle. This will be a
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reaction to the Trump presidency. It will be an open
seat election, which means at the start all bets are off.
So if the election is defined upon performance or lack
of performance, is in regards to what happened with Trump.
Remember Trump was sailing in his first administration. COVID completely
collapsed the reality and it turned into a reaction area.
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This was a ree elect situation, not an open seat.
This is going to be a referendum on Trump. They're
going to start with a base of seventy million votes
right now, So this is going to be a very
close election just by the nature of what's going to
happen in that it's an open seat and the billionaires
are not going to sit it out, not for an
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open seat election.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
All right, So the midterms clearly are going to be
a run against Trump, a run against Musk, which is
to say, Trump and must arrangement syndrome, is going to
be a run against Doge, and a run against the
trade wars that Trump is created. He may have the
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trade wars resolved by the midterm. Will most people are
behind Doge and behind the president, especially with the border.
So if you go one layer deep beyond derangement, there's
really nothing to run against. Where are they headed with
these midterms and what do they need to happen because
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I don't see anything other than and the leftist movement,
which is this notion that we've got to fight harder,
we got to go left not center, that will be
present in the midterm, that emotion.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
But I don't know I can if I can find
any issue.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
They can run on that's really registering right in congressional districts.
The country is every bit as micro split as it
can be. And that's why you have these fractional majorities
in the House and the Senate. Fractional majorities in the
House and the Senate are not majorities at all. That's
what we're finding out. The Congress is absolutely in park.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Now.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I know that there are people who are insiders who
are going to be screaming at the radio saying you
don't know how hard they're working, and blah blah blah
blah blah. Look, I can count, I can read a calendar.
It's April twenty third. Where is Congress? Where is Congress?
It's all been.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Trump, trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
The Congress is not supposed to take a pass and
stand in line and wait for the president to do everything.
Where are they the reason that they're not able to
move is be because their majorities are fractional, and when
this breaks out into an actual political fight with every
seat open, it's going to come down to who's got
the billionaires with the quality candidates in the local level
in the key districts. We're not even going to see
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it until sixty days before it actually happens because it's
so divided and nobody's paying attention.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
So right now the question is who's on the ground
working the hardest.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And you add to that the low approval rating of
all members of Congress. And he added that hag and
all his money trying to target the elderly ones. And
if these socialist Democrats make a move, and they always
do against establishment Democrats, how that could upset the waters
in some of these close races.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Now, I think you've said one of the things really
really important, Michael, Those is the best thing that's going
right now in the American system of government looking in
the mirror.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
That is very powerful.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
But this morning's news, Musk is already explaining that he's
moving out. Listen, they can't for to lose momentum, Doge, Well,
he's lost.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Seventy one million dollars or something in the latest seventy
seventy percent. Yes, I'm way more than seventy one million.
All right, David, Great, great conversation. Maybe we can talk
again soon. You can catch on the award winning podcast
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Speaker 3 (24:23):
David, thanks for your time.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
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How important is you know? You did just a quick
little search and you couldn't find us. Now, yesterday there
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was quite a bit, but today Foxnews you got to
go six to ten stories deep to find something.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
On the papacy.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, it just it begs the question does the Holy
Sea still matter?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And if so?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
How I think this is interesting? Michael, I'm completely underreported.
First off, I found it fascinating that immediately upon the
Pope's death and then for the next say, forty eight hours,
Foxnews acted as if now on their phone at website,
which is really their dominant delivery system and probably more
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dominant than television, you found almost nothing about the death
of the Pope. Well, at the same time, as the
days unfolded, as you look at the Fox News site,
it was six deep, it was ten deep. Meanwhile, it's
the top six straight stories on the New York Times,
on the Washington Post. And I'm thinking to myself, this
is weird. You know, there are about a half a
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dozen towers that try to define reality for us. Every
morning you get the Wall Street Journal and the Fox
News and the New York Times, Washington Post, Atlantic. They're
out there emanating messages, broadcasting, telecasting and in print mechanisms
now over our phone apps, largely trying to tell us
what's happening and what's real. Well, there's a lot of
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Catholics in the world, and in the United States, depending
on how you analyze the statistics, between fifty to three
and seventy million people still a conservative number of the
Catholic Church.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The servative numbers are sixty million in the United States,
and we're talking I think it's four.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Point two billion in the world.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I mean, I had somebody in the talk back, and
I'm not making fun of them, but they were just like,
why should we care about the pope because there's sixty
million Catholics in America at least, and because there's four point.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Two billion in the world. I mean, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's almost as if it's it's almost as if the
papacy has fallen in to the political matrix, if you will.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I think that's a fair and logical conclusion. It's crystal
clear that Fox News doesn't give a whole heck of
a lot about this issue, and of course they have
every right to do so. But now we're seeing that
it's no longer this isn't look the death of a
pope is news.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
I understand. I'm not a Roman Catholic. I'm not either
my job. My job is historical, political, and legal. But
I can count.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
In the United States, presidency is gathering the majority of
president electorals seventy five to eighty million people voting, and
you've got seventy or sixty or fifty two million, depending
on whose numbers you're looking at Roman Catholics, and they vote.
That is a significant impact on American cultural life. Let
alone all of the academic centers, the parish priests, and
(03:20):
local parish and congregations. But let's talk about the fact
this is the institution of the Roman Catholic Church. Whether
you like it or hate, it is the oldest operating
corporation in the human race. It's been around for two
thousand years. Functioning, and it's still functioning today. So when
it's leader who has tremendous influence over every aspect of
(03:42):
it disappears by death, you say, okay, that's news. So
I just wonder I find it interesting that Fox is
more interested in talking about defaming and crushing Democrats and
they are a genuine world news story and an American.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well and by the way, that's the second news phenomenon
I experienced. My daughter's best friend goes to Florida State University.
I got to tell you when I started interviewing a
long time ago, almost two years ago, with iHeart, about
two steps into the process, they said, well, you know,
(04:17):
we really can't do anything. You really need to spend
some time with Chris Berry. Well, I'm not a network guy,
you know this. I'm not a nerd that pours over
the radio trades and networks.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
And he's not a social climbery.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah, not a you know, a fanny kiss.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But I knew Chris Berry WBBM, ABC, and I was
like really nervous to me. So the way I diffused
it was when he got on the phone, I basically said, listen,
I don't follow a lot of people's careers yours, I
have you. I know this guy was side by side
with Peter Jennings. I said, listen, it's gonna take me
a while to get used to talking to you. But
(04:53):
he is such a news person. And Chris breaks news
stories daily fifteen twenty minutes before the networks. But let
me get to the strange part of the story. So
I get a text and it's a news alert coming
from Chris that there is an active shooter at Florida
State University. Well, naturally, Shavani comes to mind. I go
(05:16):
and I tell Andrew it took twenty minutes before these
daytime Fox shows. They have the Outnumbered show and they're
just doing softball topics with somebody, and nobody's breaking in
and I'm going, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
What is going on?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Finally, in the middle of something, you just see the
person stall and they're like staring. That means the producer's
talking to them in the ears. They utter a one
sentence line. I go to CNN. They didn't do anything
for another fifteen minutes. It was just as if you know,
everybody is so focused on these narratives, or as you
said in Foxes and the criticism of Fox, all I
(05:53):
could do the same criticism of at MSNBC and all
the rest of the left. One side is so focused
on Trump arrangement. One side is so focused I'm bashing Democrats.
It is that we've lost sight of news. Remember the
days where we almost needed an MTV too, because MTV
wasn't playing music videos anymore. They were all doing reality shows.
So there is something strange going on. I mean, I
(06:14):
guess death of journalism, death of news judgment. And I
don't want to over focus, but if we are going
to focus on the papacy, this is a big deal.
You know, for two thousand years we went from Pope Benedict,
a conservative, to Pope Francis, very progressive red and I
were breaking down the numbers of the one hundred and
(06:35):
thirty five cardinals that will vote in this conclave. Eighty
percent of them are Francis's peoples, and eight of them. Yeah,
and there's only like twenty left from Benedict, and I
think two left from John Paul the second. So you know,
we're seeing a cultural and political shift in America. There
(06:55):
is some political divide within the Catholic Church, and this
is going to be settled by a heavily leaning progressive conclave.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
To me, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And then you know the whole tradition of it, the conclave,
you know, being sequestered, and then the black smoke when
they don't have a vote, white smoke.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
When they do.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And it's like this time there just doesn't seem something
seems different, and I can't put my finger on it.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Well, I do think it's the derangement syndrome, I think,
and it's the silo effect.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
You and I have been seeing this coming for years.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
It's interesting talking about you and I got to Nashville
at the same time, yeah, same year, and didn't know
each other at the time, but we ended up in
the same spot. And it's interesting because there is a
shift from when we started in Nashville to where we
are today. Dramatic shift. Dramatic shift. I mean we get
started on the radio nineteen eighty nine. News actually mattered
(07:52):
in nineteen eighty nine. You could actually take a newspaper
and read it, and honest to goodness, you could get
real stories about what was going on. Now you wake
up and it's all about here and makeup and who's
bash and who is It's.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Just as well, there are sixty million Catholics that are
waiting on their new direction and leader, and yet you've
got people doing posts about things Francis said on global
warming and you know that kind of thing. And then
you know, I grew up in Chicago and New Orleans,
very heavy Catholic areas. My last name should tell you
(08:25):
that I was born into a Catholic family, even though
I'm not Catholic today. Tulsa not so much, but not
This is the first place I lived where there is
a somewhat anti Catholic sentiment kind of a thing, and
I never experienced that until I moved here eighteen years ago.
(08:45):
But put all that aside. Just from a news this
is just news. The pope is dead, There's going to
be a new pope. The direction of the church. Will
it tends to pendulum? Will it go back conservative? Will
it go even further? Will there be one of francis Is.
I mean, the front runners are all, you know, Francis underlings,
So you might even get a Francis the second I mean,
(09:07):
out of this, I don't know, but nobody's even wanting
to cover it other than Show's body in the casket.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
It really is different this time.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Issues of gender, marriage and human life, the preservation of
human life, and abortion. These are issues that are underlying
driving engines in the American political enterprise at every level,
particularly federal offices from Congress on up to the White House,
and even more so now at the state level. If
the next pope that's elected decided that it's time for
(09:36):
the Church to change its position on any of those issues,
that will have substantive, maybe even definitive impact on what
happens in the twenty twenty sixth election. I mean, if
you just want to be purely political, it's the top
story in the world right now in regards to what's
happening in politics. Fox completely blind to it or not caring,
(09:57):
or maybe something even worse.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
All I know is when it comes to Fox, there's
more and sometimes it seems like there's more interested in
hearing makeup than there is on what's actually happening in
the world.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, you would think after the movie Bombshell they would
have moved away from that, but they don't appear to have. Okay,
so all the memes and all the jokes are jd
Vance he visits with the Pope and then mysteriously, the
Pope dies hours later. You know everything that I'm reading.
Francis knew he was dying, in fact, so much so
that his nurse, who were his last words were to
(10:28):
his nurse, he asked the nurse for one more ride,
and even he looked at him and said, you think
I can do it? And they went and the Pope
will bele and took a little drive. It was really
kind of his way of saying fair world to the
people on Easter. In other words, I think a lot
of people knew the Pope was going to die. I
think the Pope knew he was going to die. So
(10:48):
converted Catholic potential presidential candidate jd Vance gets a visit
in just under the wire.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Are we missing something political there? Well?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
And according to me, reports that visit was denied, which
would make sense.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's holy weak.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I mean, the post's kind of busy right now, and
he had exactly been feeling well, so it's not like
there's a line of politicians waiting to get their tickets punched.
This was a very unusual and particularly cast in this
level of intention.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
The Pope knew his hours were limited.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And sixty million votes in America with Catholics on the line.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
And it's just the last wink to basically say we
like this converted Catholic and this is the guy that
if I've got one last.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Word to say, I like this guy.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I'm sorry, it's call me skeptical, whatever you like, but
it just looks a little political to me.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Or just to clinky dinky.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Just to wrap things up on the pope, yesterday we
covered Nostra Damas had a quad train back in fifteen
fifty five, and this would be post what some people
attribute to COVID and famins and hurricanes and all that stuff,
(12:05):
that there would be a black pope and that he
would have the support of a king. Now, if you
go into that of the front runners, Peter Turkson would
be the leading candidate for Nostra Damas. Now, as for
Nostra del Jarno, I said it would be Mattea Zupi
(12:25):
and that potentially that's just a continuation of Francis's reign,
could even take the name Francis the Second. Here's the
updated numbers real quickly. Parallone is still the front runner,
although he has fallen from thirty seven percent to twenty
nine percent. Louis Antonio Tago, the Filipino cardinal, was twenty
three percent. He has fallen into twenty one percent. Zupie
(12:49):
is now in third. He went from ten up to
eleven percent, Peter Turkson ticked up one to eight percent,
and Parabista Pizza Ball went from six percent to eight
per And yes, we were talking about it off the air.
A cardinal from Dallas by way of Dublin, Ireland will
be the dean of the Conclave, which will begin in
(13:10):
the next week and a half or so.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Wait a minute, is this like on a sports wagering
site or something, these odds or Vegas is Vegas got
odds on this?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, that's normally up to our sports book head, Big John.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
But big Big John will get you the latest numbers
on the betting.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But read we're getting ours from where the from polymarket?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Polymarket? Yeah, so that's the running odds.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Although, you know, for those that have watched the movie Conclave,
it is very interesting how much this is parallel with
the movie in that the movie was centered around the
progressive liberal Cardinals versus the one loan conservative cardinal, and
one would have to wonder, you know, movement towards youth
(14:00):
in movement back towards tradition or conservativism versus what seems
to be eighty percent of those that will be voting
that are progressive.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Along with Francis.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
So and again, Michael, I want to be careful that
I don't think for a second that the Catholic community
votes in any way in a monolithic fashion, whether they're
parish priest or local bishop or the pope has got
one position or the other. But to suggest that there
isn't the influence of between fifty two and seventy million
people listening to their leadership, that would be to be
(14:31):
missing a significant portion of the news as it relates
to American politics, all right, and global politics.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And speaking of American politics, all right, let's talk about
the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
One. We saw Robmy Manuel on a very.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Leftist podcast called I've Had It, and Jennifer Wells just
hammers him. Robby Manuel is trying to pivot back towards
the American people and back towards the center. Most of
the party wants to double down in Trump derangement and
double down on open borders, double down on Garcia is
a victim, and you know all this other stuff. The
(15:08):
direction of the party it will play out. I think
they're going to pull an AOC Obama. What do I mean?
Barack Obama speaks to the Democratic Convention and knocks everybody
on their feet. They take him from the state legislature
in Illinois to the United States Senate and sixty days
later begin his candidacy for President of the United States.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I don't have to tell you.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
He goes on to win and serve two terms, the
last two term president for the Democrats. The plan I
think is have Crockett become the new AOC and AOC
become the new Bernie Sanders. Bernie has done all he
could to hand that torch to her. The polling numbers
in New York would suggest Schumer is more than vulnerable.
(15:52):
In the latest poll that we shared, he's had a
thirty nine percent favorability forty nine percent unfavorability. With the
Siena College poll, he's underwater ten percent. Contrast that to AOC,
who is sitting with a forty seven percent favorability rating
of thirty three percent unfavorability rating. That would tell you
the voters in New York want them to double down
(16:13):
left and that she would be the heir apparent and
among Democrats she has a sixty four percent favorability rating
history repeating itself. Is AOC going to take out Schumer
and that will catapult the momentum into her turning around
and running for president. Already among the squad, the socialist
Bernie Sanders crowd, she'll be a front runner like Bernie
(16:34):
was in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty. I mean, is
this the direction of the party And now they're all
in on the tariffs blowing up in Trump's face and
he's cutting deals that could be over before the midterms,
and there's this movement to have the party being taken
over by the socialist Democrat. How much of what's happening
(16:56):
today is really on the scoreboard and going to impact
act and shape the midterm elections or is it still
way too early and irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Well that's kind of a yes and no, because you
have picked up a strain of reality here that's really important.
We need to talk about this, and that is what
are the players behind the scenes, the billionaire cartel that
is the progressive movement and is the Democrat Party?
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Who are they selecting?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Are they going to make a commitment well, they have
to because it's an open seat presidential election with a
warm up of a really important congressional race where the
advantages tends to go to the party out of power.
So they've got a tremendous window of opportunity here. And
if they choose to elevate AOC with their protection and
(17:40):
their money and the six towers of major news basically
pinging her on the upward dimension at all times, yes,
they could do exactly what you're talking about. And her
advantage is because of her the nature of the way
she conducts herself. She is an intimidator. She is bombastic,
and it's difficult to deal with someone coming from that perspective.
(18:02):
Now that being said, with absolutely no credence for her politics,
her legal perspective, or her historical understandings, there is a
certain romance to the idea that America could elect a
bartender from New York to the presidency of the United States, because,
after all, we raise our kids saying anybody can be president.
So they've got a narrative that will work. And because
(18:23):
she's a woman, she has a profound advantage. Wouldn't the
party be can't fight fair with a woman running for
the president.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Wouldn't you have got to be careful, but wouldn't wouldn't
they be kind of going against the tide in that? Look,
if you couldn't get Hillary elected as a woman, if
you couldn't get Kamala Harris elected in a primary or
even after you handed her the nomination, great question. Do
you really think a third woman a bartender, AOC radical
(18:50):
socialist left? Now I agree that that portion of the
party whose goal is to take over the party, then
get rid of the electoral college, then dismantle the Republic.
She will be the front runner because they're activists and
they will be out there and they'll be voting. And
then you add one other wrinkle to this, and that
is David hog Parkland shooting. Not that he was actually
(19:11):
in the school when the shooting took place, but you know,
he becomes a darling of the Parkland shooting. Now he's
raising might to get rid of all the old people.
Schumer would definitely fall under that, and he is the
vice chair of the DNC. So the DNC is going
to try to do what they did in twenty sixteen,
where they gave you Hillary even though the people wanted
Bernie and then in twenty twenty, they gave you Biden
when the people wanted Bernie, and then they held weekend
(19:37):
at Biden until they were ready to jettison him, and
then they just handed all of his votes to Kamala Harris.
All right, well, the problem this time is the people
are going to choose AOC, but you've got this guy
in the middle.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You've got a wolf in the henhouse.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So I think all the presses on to get rid
of David Hog, and get rid of him in a hurry,
because they want to usher in Wes Moore and Ronnie Manuel.
But the problem is will the Democrat voters be over
their Trump derangement syndrome by then to be reasonable?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
And where will the establishment of the Democrat Party versus
the billionaire cartel that has hollowed out that establishment and
now creates its own power of influence in this Where
will that play happen? The key to remember, though, is
that all of us in this world tend to look
at everything in light of the last two or three battles.
This is a completely different battle. This will be a
(20:34):
reaction to the Trump presidency. It will be an open
seat election, which means at the start all bets are off.
So if the election is defined upon performance or lack
of performance, is in regards to what happened with Trump.
Remember Trump was sailing in his first administration. COVID completely
collapsed the reality and it turned into a reaction area.
(20:56):
This was a ree elect situation, not an open seat.
This is going to be a referendum on Trump. They're
going to start with a base of seventy million votes
right now, So this is going to be a very
close election just by the nature of what's going to
happen in that it's an open seat and the billionaires
are not going to sit it out, not for an
(21:16):
open seat election.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
All right, So the midterms clearly are going to be
a run against Trump, a run against Musk, which is
to say, Trump and must arrangement syndrome, is going to
be a run against Doge, and a run against the
trade wars that Trump is created. He may have the
(21:38):
trade wars resolved by the midterm. Will most people are
behind Doge and behind the president, especially with the border.
So if you go one layer deep beyond derangement, there's
really nothing to run against. Where are they headed with
these midterms and what do they need to happen because
(21:58):
I don't see anything other than and the leftist movement,
which is this notion that we've got to fight harder,
we got to go left not center, that will be
present in the midterm, that emotion.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
But I don't know I can if I can find
any issue.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
They can run on that's really registering right in congressional districts.
The country is every bit as micro split as it
can be. And that's why you have these fractional majorities
in the House and the Senate. Fractional majorities in the
House and the Senate are not majorities at all. That's
what we're finding out. The Congress is absolutely in park.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Now.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I know that there are people who are insiders who
are going to be screaming at the radio saying you
don't know how hard they're working, and blah blah blah
blah blah. Look, I can count, I can read a calendar.
It's April twenty third. Where is Congress? Where is Congress?
It's all been.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Trump, trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
The Congress is not supposed to take a pass and
stand in line and wait for the president to do everything.
Where are they the reason that they're not able to
move is be because their majorities are fractional, and when
this breaks out into an actual political fight with every
seat open, it's going to come down to who's got
the billionaires with the quality candidates in the local level
in the key districts. We're not even going to see
(23:14):
it until sixty days before it actually happens because it's
so divided and nobody's paying attention.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
So right now the question is who's on the ground
working the hardest.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And you add to that the low approval rating of
all members of Congress. And he added that hag and
all his money trying to target the elderly ones. And
if these socialist Democrats make a move, and they always
do against establishment Democrats, how that could upset the waters
in some of these close races.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Now, I think you've said one of the things really
really important, Michael, Those is the best thing that's going
right now in the American system of government looking in
the mirror.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
That is very powerful.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
But this morning's news, Musk is already explaining that he's
moving out. Listen, they can't for to lose momentum, Doge, Well,
he's lost.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Seventy one million dollars or something in the latest seventy
seventy percent. Yes, I'm way more than seventy one million.
All right, David, Great, great conversation. Maybe we can talk
again soon. You can catch on the award winning podcast
section of your iHeart app, the Webby award winning section
the Public Square, or on demand anytime at the public
square dot com.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
David, thanks for your time.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
we'll miss you. It's your Morning Show with Michael del
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