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April 28, 2025 13 mins

Is it time for President Trump to pivot out of tariff uncertainty? We ask GOP consultant and YMS contributor Chris Walker. And when will Congress get tax cuts done? 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Previously on your Morning Show with Michael del jo.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
And joining us now as Republican consultant and your Morning
show regular Chris Walker. Chris, I mean, these numbers are
very revealing of what I think we can all sense
and no, when it came to the border, the President
accomplished the mission. The American people are very pleased. The
economy not yet.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, good morning, Michael morning. You know, I think this
is obviously a response to the economy. You know, we
have a situation where the stock market has taken for
you to decline it because some of it's bounced back.
You know, we're still ahead of where we were a
year ago, but on the whole we're down over this month.
And you know that that's a direct relation to what

(00:41):
people see as a as a response to the tariffs. So,
you know, securing the border great, you know, tackling government waste,
broad and abuse great. You know this the idea of
kind of upending the economy on an idea may not
necessarily be the best.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
You know, strategy. So you know, our goal here.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Is to kind of President Trump's goal is to fix
the economy and get the country going in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
We had Angela as a listener, I really respect who
calls in a lot, and she made, you know, the point, Well,
the president's doing something significant here as a statesman, and
he doesn't face another election.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, the reality is politically trump Ism does.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
And I think the Republican Party is some kind of
a morph between Reagan Revolution tea Party and trump Ism.
And the midterm election will be the first say. The
twenty twenty eight open presidential election will be the next say.
And there is a lot on the line, and at
some point, whatever his long term goals were, he may
have achieved some of them short term and it's time

(01:43):
to pivot out because you got to have about a
year for everything to take effect. Now that's on the
president's side. The other side is Congress. Why can't they
get these tax dog cuts done?

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Miss Michael?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I mean, Congress is just in ia right now, and
I get the sentence role. Right now, it's just trying
to approve the president's nominees. And they're doing a pretty
good job at that overall. But you know, it seems
that the House is just stuck in some you know,
kind of mud that they that they can't move. It's
crazy to watch, you know, I hope we can see

(02:17):
some momentum. I mean, the President can do a bunch
of executive orders, but if it's codified and law through Congress,
it's really not going to matter. So, you know, from
our perspective, Congress really needs to get backed together Speaker
Johnson and his team in the House, you know, and
good there's a very small majority, but Democrats have worked
with very small majorities have gotten a lot done on
their side, and I think there's there's excuses here on

(02:38):
the level of well, you know, we have a small majority,
but this is something people are really.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
You know, upset about.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
We've got to get movement and action on a lot
of these issues because we're running out of time in
terms of what the political window is possible to get
things done.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
So what would the market do if Donald Trump pivots
out of these tariffs, ends all that uncertainty and they
get the tax cuts. What do you think the market does?
What do you think simmery again on the stone that
does the economy? Yeah, of course it.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Would, it would.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
But well, look, I mean, look, and the markets want stability, right,
I mean, and that's something that I think we haven't
seen over the last month. Whether it's you know, kind
of the news and you go after Pete Hegseth or
any of these other things. There's there's a there's a
level of discord that seems to be brewing out of Washington,
and I think that's a you know, an outset of
a of a strategy that the presidents putting in the Act,

(03:31):
which is actually not a bad one in terms of
just continuously focusing on offense and pushing out executive orders
and constantly talking about various issues. There's a there's a
smartness to it, but I think it's also you know,
upending the market in a sense where where people are
looking for stability and calm when that's anything but what
President Trump is known to do. And I think he's

(03:52):
a It's why he was elected. I mean, he ran
on a lot of these things, and I think that's
something that the markets need to adjust in rather than
just continue to respond to.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And this is specifically a political lens. I mean from
a political lens standpoint, if you've cut some new better deals, great,
take credit for him, pivot out of all this long
term uncertainty and move on dot org and then get
these tax cuts done, because it's going to take about
a year for all of this to simmer and produce results,

(04:21):
and that timing would be perfect right before the midterm elections.
Then you have a presidency and a movement in America
that has fixed the border, secured it brought justice and
enforcement and gotten a lot of this criminal element out
of our country, and.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Improved the economy.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And then I think there's a third piece, and it
either has to be the new talks with Iran or
whatever the future is for the Middle East, not that
I think there's ever going to be a secure future
there until the Bible plays itself out or a Russia
at Ukrainian solution. I think you got to add one

(04:57):
foreign policy victory to that to set up the twenty
twenty eight campaign. But it looks like a pretty clear
trajectory politically anyway.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
The only thing that could.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Get in the way of that is if the president
is dead set on and we know this has been
a hot button issue for him really taking this second
term to fix once and for all this terrorists, especially
if his vision is to set up an elimination of
the income tax. But I can't imagine that's the play
or America is ready for that play.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Politically anyway. Oh, I mean, I hope they are.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
I mean, if the if the result out of this
is an elimination of income tax, that would be one
of the single greatest growth you know stimuli in the history.
You know, we talked about stimulus in Washington as just
a goodie bill that always gets passing. Crazy to really
stimulate the economy, grow, grow American get GDP where it
needs to be, an elimination of the income tax a

(05:49):
great way to do it. I hope there's an appetite
for it. You know, well, we'll see. If the terris
are part of a revenue replacement strategy to get rid
of the income tax, that's good. But I think something
you get you got to kind of move ahead with
that first, and so far we haven't seen Congress really
kind of push in that direction. But I think with
both the House and the Senate and a complete you
know kind of advocation of leadership from the Democrats right now,

(06:12):
the time is how and you know, if we can,
if we could do that, that would be great. In
terms of foreign policy, the president is at least engaged.
I mean, I think everyone saw in the picture of him,
you know, at the Vatican over the weekend meeting with Zelensky.
I mean, this is a president who is who is
interested and engaged in finding peace in the Ukraine Russian conflict.
And I think that's something that was missing in President

(06:34):
Biden over four years. So irrespective of that, I President's
hard is in the right place, his team is in
the right place, and it's a matter of getting these
golbal leaders around, you know, a peace strategy. We're finding
that hard to do, but that's that's something where the
president is at least pushing in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well if Putin is playing games and he plans to
fight another year, well you just make it a miserable
year for him. And I actually thought that visual of
Donald Trump sitting in a chair at the back with
Zelensky is right up there with his fist in the
air and blood coming down his face after the assassination attempt,
that's going to be an iconic picture. And I do

(07:10):
think this president has tremendous foreign policy instincts and credibility
and he'll get one of those three or two of
those three victories. Prior to a twenty twenty eight presidential campaign,
are we visiting with Chris Walker Republican consultant and your
morning show regular. We had an interesting conversation about AOC,
and I think probably the best way to describe it

(07:32):
is picture America during a civil war, because the Democrat
Party is in the midst of its own civil war
justice socialist Democrats against the establishment Democrats, which are really
now taken over by progressives, even though the socialists will
call themselves socialists and they calling themselves progressive. I don't
know what that's at right now. I would think twenty

(07:54):
six to thirty three percent, depending on who it is.
But Bernie Sanders has passed the torch. If the Democrats
do what they did in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty
and meddle with their voters and then they lose, I
think that goes above fifty percent, So there's a socialist
victory within the party. If AOC should get the nomination,

(08:14):
well that's the parasite defeating the host, and when the
host dies, the parasite dies. It looks like a lose,
lose future for the Democrats. But how obvious is it
that a Bernie Sanders has passed the torch to AOC.
She suddenly raised ten million dollars that's either to run
for the United States Senate or president. Is it president
and should Republicans fear her?

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, you know, we'll see what she ends up doing.
I could see a Senate race before presidential race. I'm
not sure you know that a House to presidential race
makes sense for her. But she's certainly a center bearer
for the Democrats right now, and I think that is
a problem for the Democrats have to solve.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
When you're when you're outright.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Outlandishly speaking about socialism, that's more popular position to be in,
except with the minority of voters. But that's you know,
the goal of elections is to win a majority of
the vote, and that's not something AOC is able to do.
So you could you can represent a very small, you know,
district in New York and be allowed voice in Congress,
and good for her. But on a national level, we

(09:18):
know that their ideas are not are not sound, and
that's where the policy comes into place. So good policy
is good politics.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
I still believe in that.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
I'm much observative first, and so from perspective of what
she's offering, I don't think it's positive for where the
voters are.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
I mean, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I disagree because I disagree because there's close to half
of that party that wants to go further left and
wants to fight harder and dirtier and to the death,
and she who else represents that on the national well
certainly not on the other side to go well.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
I mean, look, you and I both know that national
elections are are won in the middle, and the further
left that Democrats go, the more middle will look at
at that and go that's not where I am. I mean, goodness,
look at Silicon Valley, look at you know, a lot
of the business leaders who are calctroned from President Biden's
sports four years and he was considered a Maori back then.

(10:11):
Imagine the left leaning business leaders who are kind of
socially moderate or socially left even, but are.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Still trying to run a business looking at.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Somebody like AOC and saying, hey, we want to take
all your money and you know, apply it to social norms.
That's not something that any left leaning business leader will do.
So I think, from a standpoint of politics and the AOC,
you know kind of standard bearers catastrophic for the Democrats,
and I would welcome it. As a Republican but you know,

(10:37):
I think better. You know, look, Gavin Newsom and others
are seeing riding on the wall and were moving to
the middle because they have to. Now, Gavin Newson's been
a standard bearer for left leaning governance in a state
that's kind of gone underwater in a lot of ways.
But at least he's trying to write the ship there,
at least from a message standpoint.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
There's a long way to go.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
But if they go to the AOC route, I mean that,
you know, we're talking about putting states like you know,
Nevada in New Mexico into more purple territories than the
blue they are.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Right now, who was the first to fly across Atlantic?
Emili Aerhart.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
She was the second or third, but remembered because she
was the first female the first, right was Now I'm
going blank because you said Amelia Earhart Limburg. All right,
So there's a power, yes, but I botched this analogy.
There's a power in being first, all right. So right now,

(11:33):
if you picture the Democrat Party like the Civil War,
the North has no leader and has no message.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
They're kind of playing.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
With Romney Manuel and a senator in Michigan to get
the tones out there. We got to move to the center.
We got to move back towards the American people. We
got to stop with this crazy left policy that the
American people have rejected, but it's not getting a lot
of ground. In twenty sixteen, Bernie had the ground swell,
he had the grassroots, and he had the big He
would have got the nomination if the DNC didn't meddle.

(12:03):
Twenty twenty, same thing for Bernie, and they meddled with Biden,
and then in twenty twenty four they held on to
Biden until they exposed him for being seen out. But
they waited till after all the primary votes were in
so they could hand his delegates to Kamala Harris and
not open things up. So the North has no leader,
has no message. The South has its early leader. Torch

(12:24):
has been passed to AOC as has ten million dollars,
and whether you think an next Bartender can win, she's
going to have the early lead because she's going to
be first. So the South has made its decision on message,
we fight, we go further left, and on messenger it's AOC.
That's why the party has and doesn't have a leader,
has and doesn't have a message, But the South has

(12:47):
the early message. I see it playing out very much
like twenty six, twenty twenty and twenty twenty four. If
they don't get their act together on the more establishment side,
and either way it creates a civil war and a
divided party. And I think he way it plays out,
this party has a has a really tough hurdle to
be alive at the end of the decade. Literally survive

(13:07):
by the end of the decade. Now your party becomes
in your party posts Trump, you know how does Trump
is a little post Trump?

Speaker 3 (13:16):
There will there will be a huge fight for twenty eight.
But you know, a party that embraces MS thirteen gang
members more than they do their own citizenry as a
party that doesn't have a long shelf life, and so
Democrats are going to have to figure out racing to
the left on that is not a good long term
political apocy.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
That's from your news is their best standard bearer.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, from from your lips to God's ears on that one.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
All right, Chris Walker, As always, we'll talk every Monday
or sooner. If conditions weren't have a great week.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
My friend, miss a little, miss a lot miss a lot,
and we'll miss you. It's your Morning Show with Michael
del Chruno
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