September 11, 2025 • 36 mins
This is a big deal for our youth; this is their JFK, and we need to parent accordingly.
The assassination of Charlie Kirk is as big as JFK to the youth in America. A really big deal. Is this a final straw or turning point for our nation? And will that turn be towards respect and civility, or even worse, violence to come?
Rory O’Neill will have the latest on the breaking story involving the shooting of political activist and media personality Charlie Kirk. Plus, RORY will rundown what is planned to commemorate the events of September 11, 2001.
The violent divisions in our country, can they be calmed, and can President Trump lead us to that peace?? JON DECKER will have the reaction from the White House to the Charlie Kirk assassination.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Jordan, President addressed the assassination of Charlie Kirk from the
White House with a recorded address.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We will play that for you coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
All flags have been lowered to half staff and the
manhunt is still underway for the person who shot and
killed Charlie Kirk just north of Provo, Utah. Yesterday, are
your Morning Show correspondent Roy O'Neil is here with the
very latest. Boy, this had all the fingerprints of a
professional hit job right up to where we can't seem
to have a clue of who did this and how
they got away so quick.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
You know, in most of these mass shootings, the gunman
often plans to be killed or to take their own life.
Clearly in this case, the shooter had an exit strategy
as well and has seemingly vanished. So that's why they're
really hoping that the public has some cell phone video
in some way that may have caught something twenty minutes
before that might give them a clue as to who
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was involved here. The FBI is working with the Utah
Police in order to try to identify a potential suspect.
But this gunman was about one hundred and fifty two
hundred yards away and fired just that loan shot, and
it doesn't appear they left much evidence behind.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
The loan shot is a clue in and of itself
that this was professional, don't you think.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Well, perhaps you know, it's interesting I've heard some back
and forth on that whether or not someone there was
no wind, it was relatively easy. I'm with you in
this camp of oh, this is someone who is practiced
in this, because not only did you have to take
that shot of about five hundred feet away, you also
had to have it at that exact moment under that pressure.
You know, someone who just shoots at a target wouldn't
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necessarily feel the kind of pressure that they would have
been under. Of course, most of all, taking a human life,
So I'm not so sure it was some amateur who
got a lucky shot.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, it wasn't the easiest of shots. He's under a tent,
he's back in the tent. It was a tough angle.
The only thing that Charlie did have a habit of
doing was he would make a statement and then lower
the microphone. I just thought it was interesting. There were
so many We did this with Kennedy too. It was
a much better shot when Kennedy was coming towards the
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book depository, not after the turn, and from behind, you know,
Charlie's outthrowing hats. There were so many, I wondered, and
it really doesn't matter, But it's as if they waited,
they waited for the conversation to turn to violence and
guns to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And I wondered if there was a statement in that.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Just everything, just the sound, the accuracy, the disappearance, the
mountains behind the building that I'm sure, as a professional
assassin was probably on a motorcycle and deep in those
mountains before anybody even got up to run. Where does STAFBI?
Where does local law enforcement go here?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Now?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I mean, I know they're searching grainy images from all
the university cameras. I think they're probably hoping for phones.
I don't even know what phones will reveal. I think
we've seen the far away shot of an image of
somebody on top of that building, but how they got
there and when they left, I don't think they have
those images yet, So Yeah, I don't know what's having
to go on.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Yeah, traffic cameras, I think would be another key bit
of evidence that they might want to go back to
the rest of the university's surveillance system. You're trying to
figure out who was leaving at the time, tracking the
vehicles that came into the school premises at the time.
You know, there's a lot that they can try to
piece together. But I think that they're going to hope
that some of the students there got something that might
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get them a better clue, because this is turning out
to be a difficult investigation if this goes on much longer.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
All they have is the bullet, right, what do we
learn from that?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Right?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
And you know, we're not sure the firearm that was
used here, you know, whether it was a military weapon.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Does that give us some sort of a guidance.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, A lot of questions and also questions about the
security that was there. What the six police officers from
the university in addition to his security detail, his private security.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But where was the ambulance?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
You know, you go to a high school football game,
you'll see an ambulance with two EMTs hopefully standing around
doing nothing. But they're there as a just in case,
I in case something happens on the field or if
someone has a heart attack in the stand So the
fact that there was no ambulance there, even on standby
is rather interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, that troubled me at first until I actually viewed
the shooting. And you would have needed a surgeon. No, Yeah,
he wasn't going to live no matter what. But all right,
in nine to eleven commemorates today the President vice president
just to kind of in like ten seconds or less,
what's planning?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Thanks sure, President and the first lady at the Pentagon.
Then going to go up to see the Yankees game tonight.
We believe that the vice president is actually going to
be in Utah later today. Roy o' neil greg We
go back in the third hour.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
We'll also visit with John Decker next half hour, our
White House correspondent. This is a killing that has hit
the heart of the president as only this president, you know,
who was just missed by a centimeter of being the
first assassination. But this is his children's best friend, somebody
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that worked very hard and helped the president get elected.
It's a very difficult time for the White House. We'll
get more from John Decker on that, all right, the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. You know, David, we keep struggling
to circle the wagons and make sure that we don't
know when people are tuning in first and foremost. I
think this shakes us politically, it shakes us culturally, and
it certainly shakes a lot of us spiritually. We've kind
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of covered the spiritual. I feel the need every time
to warn parents this is a much bigger deal for
your kids. I can tell you this has absolutely shaken
and devastated my three children. You don't know, Charlie Kirk
may not have made a big impact on your life,
but that's I keep saying. This is as big as JFK.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
For them.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
This is their Walter Cronkite, JFK, Martin Luther King Junior
all in one. This is a very big assassination for
your kids and be first and foremost apparent. My second
gut reaction would be, don't distance yourself or question God,
cling to him and believe in him even stronger. There's
no question where Charlie is right now. The question is
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where we're going to be without him, And the same
guy that gave us Charlie knows that answer too. And
then I think the third thing is is this a
final straw, a turning point, if you will, for our
nation to heal, calm down, fix these wrongs, or is
it the first shot towards something even more violent and worse.
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You and I did a podcast and we may resurrect
it very soon called eighteen fifty. It was named eighteen
fifty Main Street because it really birthed out of the
question and right, it's eighteen fifty. You got ten years
to solve this before a civil war. Why do I
feel like we're seven years into that we're still not
solving it?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Well, because we don't want to deal with the word hate.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And until we deal with the word hate, and we
deal with the reason for hate, and we deal with
the solution for hate, we can't stop killing each other.
That's the human dilemma in the godless equation. Every time
a society, a culture moves to the godless equation, you
end up with a situation where you have no guardrails,
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you have no reason to love your neighbor. And that's
really where we are in our political discussion right now.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
There are a lots You lose God, you lose man,
you lose love, you lose.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Everything, and you lose God, you lose man.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Can you imagine if it was eighteen fifty and they
had the Internet and social media.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, now see, that's very insightful because of the acceleration,
and there are trigger events that happen for between eighteen
fifteen eighteen sixty that led America to the point of
Civil War. It's interesting because this year we're doing Christmas
in America. The year is eighteen thirty seven. It's twenty
three years before the Civil War. John Quincy Adams makes
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a speech on July the fourth in which he approaches
this very question of can the Union survive half slave
and half free. Abraham Lincoln is a young congressman at
this time, okay, or trying to become a young congressman
at this time, and Quincy Adams saw the future and
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the question becomes what's the basis upon which we can
turn away from hatred and greed and see each other
in equal humanity, as valuable. And the answer is a
spiritual answer. You cannot stop hate unless you replace it
with love. And why should you love your neighbor, David?
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Isn't it the question why should I bother to love
my neighbor?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Isn't it as simple as we're trying to find a
political solution to a spiritual crisis.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Well, and what we've done with our politics is we've
turned America into a machine of identity politics, where we've
told people that you're not made in the image of God,
you're made in the image of X, Y or Z.
And you can plug in a whole different set of trinkets,
all right, which have become people's false idols and then
their identity, so that if your trinkets don't match my trinkets,
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you're not human. You're different than we've bought into identity
politics to the place we do not see ourselves as
the Book of First John talks about as the children
of God. And if we're all children of God, we
can't say we love our father and hate his children.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That way, there's a lot of people wrestling David s
and Isiser senior contributor joining us from the American Policy
round Table in the public square that are really doing
with this was in a sense of earthly justice. This
is the wrong guy to kill. This is the guy
that was fueled by if we stop talking, we're going
to end up in a civil war. So he's trying
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to role model and show you I can disagree completely
and then hug you and leave. And that's why when
he would come to these universities, which used to be
a bastion of free I mean, I'll never forget free speech.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Ali at LSU, I'm seventeen years old.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
On the campus of LSU, I saw some of the
weirdest stuff I've ever seen in my life. In fact,
I can tell you there were several times I meant
to go to class and I would walk by and
there'd be such a freak show.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I never got to class.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Anybody's surprised he didn't make it to the class.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
No, no, but I mean, you know, but you know,
of all places, a university of all places, a guy
who dedicated his life to trying to show us how
we can disagree.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But still respect each other.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
That make it about win ideas, win hearts, win minds,
because his ultimate concern was the same as us. He
felt like, if we can't debate and we can't talk,
we'll start fighting. And then if we start fighting, we
won't stop, and we'll go back to a civil war.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Charlie Knewmchael he was taking that into the academy, and
the academy had divorced itself from that form of intellectual
acquiry a long time ago. Our university started in America,
as most of them's theological seminaries get people's thinking right
toward God and toward man. That was the idea. And
if you teach people that they are nothing but time
plus chance plus matter accidents that only exist based upon
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an identity that is political.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Then you asked why would they take him out there? Well?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Simple, The answer is simple, they couldn't get Excuse me,
I'm not going to answer it that way because I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Know who they is.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I don't know who they is, so I don't know
who killed this man. But I know that some people
this morning are thinking to themselves, well, nobody's been able
to stop Trump. At least they got one of his
good friends.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Earlier this week, I boiled down an understanding to two words.
Optimism and our youth have either. If you abandon God,
you can't have hope. Hope can only come from God.
Hope comes from the certainty of his love and the
certainty of his promises and the certainty of his ability
to fulfill them. And then optimism, well, that comes from culture.
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And culture just tells everybody how everything's terrible and it's
only getting worse. So you have kids that are hopeless.
Of course they're going to explore socialism. Yesterday two words
came to my mind. I'm going to throw them both
at you when we come back.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
This is your Morning show with Michael del Chuno.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
Hi, Michael, this is Tamar in Phoenix. I found myself
wanting to hear your voice. Yesterday they thought they were
going to silence Charlie Kirk. They instead created a martyr.
Thank you for always being there for your audience.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I'm nobody from I'm nine to eleven.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Here a date that brought me to erect for six years.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now we lose such a good man that brought me
back to the church yesterday.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
I just hope I can be as good as a
Christian as he is.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
First of all, you're not a nobody. You're James, and
you're fearfully and wonderfully made by God, and He desires
to be in fellowship with you. And your voice matters
on this show. It's named after you, so that's first. Secondly,
set your eyes on Christ, now, Charlie Kirk. That's who
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Charlie had his eyes set on. As to the previous comment, listen,
I'll live a long life and then I'll go spend
eternity with God. And I will always reflect back at
my time on earth and say, Jesus, when you said
greater things we will do because you went to the Father,
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how could you possibly have meant that? Because I didn't
see any of us doing greater things than you. I
have never raised someone from the dead. I have never
turned water into wine. I have never healed a blind man.
And that's when he will look at the numbers. I mean,
there is something to be said. How our children respond
to this is important. That's why I'm going to make
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it very I'm going to do two things right now
that need to be done. Everybody's going to search to
try to be the most eloquent we need to state
the truth. And truth number one is you're a parent,
and this is a much bigger death for your kids
than perhaps even you. You better be aware of that.
This is like their JFK, this is like their MLK.
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My kids are devastated. As soon as I get off
the air, I'm going to go right back into that ministry.
That's what his voice meant to that youth, and it's
a youth that was being reached and pointed to God,
a youth that was being reached and pointed to marriage
and children and family and freedom and liberty. Now, I
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am not going to be even begin to compare Charlie
Kirk to Christ and say greater things shall we all
do now?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Because Charlie has gone to the Father.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But the same God that raised Christ from the dead
dwells in us, and it dwelled in Charlie.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
This work must continue.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Now, let me also state the other obvious that I
haven't heard anybody do on radio television, and it was
my first response. No one had a right to take
that woman's husband. Nobody had a right to take those
beautiful children's father from them. Nobody had a right to
take a sacred, purposed created life that God made and
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it brings two words to mind, two words to mind
that I'm going to have David respond to everything's inn
existential threat, so existential and dehumanization, because that's ultimately what
led to yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
When your morning show.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Continues, this is Rebecca in spring Hill, Tennessee, and my
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Speaker 9 (16:39):
Listen up, America. There's a lot of people angry. They
want to pull the trigger. They want to lock and load.
I'm seeing it all over the internet. By all means,
lock and load, keep your head on a swivel, defend yourself.
But this is no time for vigilantes. We need to
beat them at the ballot box, not on what we
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consider any other battlefield. Defend yourself, but defend liberty and
protect the memory of Charlie.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Beautifully stated in fact, lock andload. Love would be what
the Bible would tell you. Good overcomes evil, love overcomes hatred.
Powerful words. All right, it is thirty six minutes after
the hour in the Eastern time zone. You got twenty
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four minutes to be to work on time. We're awaiting
John Decker from the White House. This has been a
very personal loss for the White House. This is the
President's sons best friend. This is someone the President worked
very closely with, cared very much about. This is someone
who delivered a lot for the president.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
One of the things that David and I often talk
about is, especially in the presidential election cycle, it is
swing districts, swing precincts of swing districts of swinging states
that decide elections, and a lot of Shenanigans are played
not only with open borders who are then registered harvested
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for votes to swing these elections, but on campuses. And
Charlie certainly made a big impact on campuses. As a father,
I witnessed the influence of our kids. In my generation,
everybody was influenced by Rush Limbaugh. In their generation, they
were influenced by Charlie Kirk on TikTok. That's how my
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kids knew it, understood issues, knew how to challenge or
put into perspective the indoctrination that was happening in school.
And I keep pointing back to one. We have a
sovereign God. He's in control. He knew this was coming.
He was not shocked by this. From our standing on
earth and our perspective, this looks like this man was
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taken too early. God knows what he's doing. This is
the time to cling to God, not blame God or
question God. Number two, be a parent that's and understands
this is a much bigger death for your kids. This
is like JFK. This is where you go home from school.
You go home and be with your kids and help them,
comfort them and help them understand these things. Because if
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we're on the radio questioning the political hit or uncertainty,
or the cultural challenges and uncertainty and the spiritual challenges,
they are too. It's a great parenting moment. And then thirdly,
where do we go from here? That's the tough question.
And to that caller, if I'm Russia, if I'm Radical
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Islam and I want this cut, or there's elements within
the United States that would love a civil war, and
we're certainly playing with fire with it. They would love
to see this trigger and escalation. Don't take the bait.
I keep mentioning how personalist is for the White House.
John Decker is our White House correspondent. He's joining us.
The President's address last night spoke directly to it. I
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think one thing we can all take away from this,
this is very personal for the President and his family.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
It is personal.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
You know, he had gotten to know Charlie Kirk over
the last decade. Charlie Kirk, of course started Turning Point
USA back when he was eighteen years old, killed yesterday,
assassinated yesterday at the age of thirty one. But over
the course of all of these years, he's built Turning
Point USA into a powerhouse, a powerhouse within the conservative
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movement and within the Republican Party. And he had so
many supporters. He would travel across the country to college
campuses all across the country to gather support for Republican ideals.
And he had gotten to know President Trump as well
as so many staffers within the White House over all
of these years, working for President Trump's election not only
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in twenty sixteen, but also in twenty twenty four as
well well, and he made a difference, especially in battleground states,
getting his supporters out there in places like Arizona and Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I don't you know. I'll make the political statement.
I'm certainly grateful Donald Trump was elected and the role
that Charlie Kirk made on campuses. But what I really
appreciated as a parent was the way Charlie Kirk influenced
my children for Christ and educated them on issues, issues
that challenged their very beliefs in places like classrooms. He
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did a lot, and he didn't do it in my life.
He did it in theirs. I mean I kind of
used to always look at him. I think he's kind
of like their Josh McDowell. When I was at LSU,
Josh McDowell was making campus visits and making a tremendous
influence on a generation. But Charlie Kirk was that, plus
a motivator of voting. But I think deep down he
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really this is the great Irony John. He wanted to
be Rush Limbaugh, which was interesting because only Laura Ingram
played this clip yesterday. We should maybe find it and
play it. But Rush met him at a golf course
when he was like twenty. Rush actually believed he was
going to be president of the United States someday. He
wanted to be Rush, but not on the radio. He
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thought it needed to be more personal, and he wanted
to do it on campuses, and he wanted to get
back to conversation and debate, which is good hate is not.
And then he dies on campus doing the very thing
that he was inspired to do. Boy, it's just a
lot to take in, isn't it. And then when you're
the president, it's somebody that delivered for you and is
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your son's best friend.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
This is very personal. And on nine to eleven of
all days.
Speaker 10 (22:39):
Right, Yeah, it's just a somber day.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
You know.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
I see on the calendar nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I see it, you know, weeks ahead of time, and
I know how I'm going to feel on this day.
Speaker 10 (22:52):
And then it's magnified in terms of how I feel based.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Upon what happened yesterday.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
And I think that is something that many people feel
all across the country after what occurred yesterday in Utah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
John Decker has always what a pleasure, have a good day.
We are not ignorant of nine to eleven. It is
always worthy of being remembered, and it's never enough to
just remember. We remember because it happened to them, and
it could have happened to us, and we honor, which
is a function of the heart by ensuring it never
happens again. And if nine to eleven was an awakening,
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which I, by the way, do not agree with. Heck,
I even saw the movie Executive Decision with Kurt Russell,
which was the very act of nine to eleven years
before nine to eleven, So I never bought the nine
to eleven commission's failure of imagination. That was a ridiculous notion.
And Islam didn't just appear on the scene on nine
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to eleven. In fact, it wasn't even the first time
it hit that building attacked at first in ninety three,
so it shouldn't have been an awakening of anything. But
if it was awakening, boy, we've fallen asleep in twenty
four years. You can just take a gander at the
mayor election and come to that conclusion. David Snadi's our
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senior contributories joining us. I would never say that the
death of one overshadows the death of nearly threeenty twenty
four years ago. I would simply say that it would
be inappropriate to address a twenty four year old hurt
when so many people are waking up with a fresh hurt,
and so we're focused on the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
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I cannot add to what my immediate reaction was, which
was a very sincere brother has been taken from us,
and the call to pray for his wife and children,
because it's a level of shock and grief I can't fathom,
and it's the only actionable thing I can do that
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makes a real difference in the moment. And so I
pray to a living God who knew this was going
to happen and will work this together for greater good
and purpose. But I pray for that wife and children
and their loss. And then I ended with this statement,
I pray for us because I'm certain where Charlie is now.
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I don't know that I'm as certain where we're going
to be without him. And then shortly after that, two
words came to mind, existential because everything's an existential threat.
Donald Trump's an existential threat to democracy and dehumanization, and
the dehumanization comes to mind because of you and your
influence on me. So I'm going to let you address
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that one. First, I would just say that the week
started with looking at our youth embracing socialism, and I said,
two words came to mind, hope and optimism. Hope comes
from God, and kids simply can't have hope without a
relationship with God, because only God has the ability to provide,
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the promise to provide, and can give you actual hope.
Optimism can come from culture, from your mind, from the economy.
And we haven't given our kids either, No wonder they're
willing to embrace something as dumb as socialism. And then
I weekends losing Charlie and these two words existential and dehumanization.
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But we saw dehumanization in the response from the left,
especially before the pronouncement of death in this shooting. How
powerful is dehumanization in all of this?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Well, it is the essential to get a culture to
kill itself. It's essential, and there is an enemy. One
word that I've heard a lot on media in the
last twenty four hours is the word evil. Now that's
not a fun thing to talk about, but it's refreshing
in this sense. It balances the scales because when we
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talk about all the other things that we talk about
in a realm of created beings with free moral agency
and conscience. You have to remember that the devil gets
a vote. There is evil, and evil is at work
in the world, and humans can choose evil. They did
in the beginning, and that's what got us in this
mess in the first place. God had a plan from
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the beginning. Now the key, I think for all of us,
and see, I'm gonna turn this in exactly the opposite direction.
It's a little early in the debate, but I'm going
to give it a try. I heard a lot of
people yesterday saying, they shot kk Charlie Kirk, they shot him,
they got him. Who's they? You see, that's the humanization.
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A human being took out another human being. We don't
know anything about that human being. To automatically assume that
that human being is representing a group of people and
then fill in the blanks, you can't do that. You
cannot do that. We are called to love our neighbor
as we love ourselves. We are called in our culture
(28:03):
to presume that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, because they.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Have ultimate worth of God.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
They're a living, spiritual being whom God cares about more
than we do.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
So we have to be very can I make it
even worse? Sure, we're not just called to love our
neighbor as ourself, We're called to love those who hate us.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
And see that's the difference. That's why when the Founders
said that our rights were inalienable and they come from
the Creator, they were talking of the God of the Bible,
because they knew that throughout human history there never been
a platform by which people could govern themselves and reach
to love unless they were in connection with the person
who made us in the first place, who gives us
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the ability to love and forgive, Because in and of myself,
I could never forgive the person who pulled that trigger.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, and now we just added that also a right
perspective of self. In other words, I'm very forgiving because
I'm very honest about my state of sin, because You've
been forgiven and I've been forgiven.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So you know, how would you?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I mean, by the way of all of Jesus's parables,
toughest moment, and he's a god.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Who knew heart.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
When he told the rich young ruler sell everything and
follow me, he knew he struck right to the heart
of his God, and he chose money over the living
Christ and Messiah in front of him.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
That's a bad moment. Judas is a bad moment.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
The harshest moment was in his parable of the one
that the King forgave him of his debts, and then
he went and shook down everybody that owed him money.
That was as Yeah, that was a very angry God
in that parable.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You can keep going, Michael.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
When Saint Paul talks about this, and two times he
talks about in the Book of Colossians and Anophesians, forgive
as God forgave you.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
It's in the Lord's prayer. It's a covenant we make
with God.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
And it finishes by saying, Jesus is at the end
of the p and if you don't forgive, God won't
forgive you. There's no capacity to do that in and
of yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
No, the Creator.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
That's why the declaries of independence put it put the
Creator at the core of the self evident truth, because
we can't do.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
This by ourselves.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I heard speaker Johnson yesterday, I can't. I think it
was Sean Hannity's show. He was on one of the shows.
He says, you can't hate somebody when you know their kids' names.
It's really hard to hate somebody when you know their
kids names. Other words, But what he was speaking to
was this dehumanization. And I know the Internet is all
of this on steroids. It just played the matrix game.
(30:35):
You just played the US versus them in anonymity. You
just fire off all this stuff. It's humanity at its
worst online. I stay offline for a day or two.
Spare yourself the temptation. Now is the time to focus
on God, his divinity, his sovereignty more than ever. And
(30:57):
my trust wasn't in Donald Trump, and it wasn't in
Charlie Kirk, though I thank God for both. It's in
God and in Him is where we find these abilities
to have peace at a time it doesn't seem like
you should have peace, to have boldness at a time
where it seems like you should shut up and hide,
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to conquer, be more than a conqueror. This is all
found in God. David's going to do a Christmas in America.
I'm one of my favorite presidents, the son of John Adams,
John Quincy Adams. It's one of my favorite quotes. Oh,
this republic altogether wrong for an immoral people. We need
morality more than ever. And this notion that we can
(31:40):
find a calm and a peace and a political divide
when it's really a spiritual crisis, well, it's a fool's errand.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And then we circle back to shouldn't have been killed?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
It is not acceptable that this woman's husband was taken,
that this father was taken from his children. And I
don't know why. In my spirit I find myself praying
not more for who shot them, but who gave the
order to shoot them, because I'm convinced it was a
professional head.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
May that justice come.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
It will come in heaven, May it come on earth
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Speaker 3 (33:36):
It's your morning show with Michael del Chorno.
Speaker 11 (33:41):
Hi, this is Kathy from Wessalem, Ohio. Charlie Kirk was
not a political activist like so much of the media
calls him. He was a conservative commentator with Christian values
and right now the country needs to get down on
their knees and pray to Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior,
for hope, strength and endurance. In Christ, all things are possible.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Those people in Ohio, they got some strong faith. That's
why I'm the King of Ohio, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Fifty six minutes after the hour closing moments, So David
Sinaudi's senior contributor also hosted the Public squareheard on two
hundred stations, and the chairman of why am I going
blank on?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Chairman of the American Policy around here? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Sorry, my heart's in other places right now. I want
to give this final minute and a half to you.
This is a political hit, This is a cultural challenge
and uncertainty, and it says shakening spiritually help comfort our listeners.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Well, there is no they. That's the most important thing
to practice true spirituality in this situation means we pray
for those who are our enemies and despiteful of you
asbuse us. That's what Jesus taught on the Sermon on
the Mount. So there is no they. Well, why do
you pray for those who've taken someone as treasured as
this man? How do you pray for the shooter? You
(34:57):
pray for the shooter, you ask God to help you
to for the shooter. You say, God, I forgive this person,
and I pray for him. Please, God help this person.
You pray for those who despitefully use you. It is
a discipline. It is childlike. It is awkward, it is embarrassing.
You don't usually want anybody else to hear you because
you're afraid they'll be angry at you, because you should
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be praying that God strikes them dead. Look, God in
the end gets everybody right. He's not fooled. We don't
need to convince him. He knows what happened. He calls
us to love like God loves us. You know when
John Paul the Second knew it was Poland versus the
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Soviet Union and he was the pope, what he did
and coming up as an archbishop and then a cardinal,
he told the people of Poland you had to be
more Christian than the communists were communists?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And how relevant that is as Poland was struck with
drones by Russia.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
David, thank you so much for your time, love you.
We're all in this together.
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Jordan, President addressed the assassination of Charlie Kirk from the
White House with a recorded address.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We will play that for you coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
All flags have been lowered to half staff and the
manhunt is still underway for the person who shot and
killed Charlie Kirk just north of Provo, Utah. Yesterday, are
your Morning Show correspondent Roy O'Neil is here with the
very latest. Boy, this had all the fingerprints of a
professional hit job right up to where we can't seem
to have a clue of who did this and how
they got away so quick.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
You know, in most of these mass shootings, the gunman
often plans to be killed or to take their own life.
Clearly in this case, the shooter had an exit strategy
as well and has seemingly vanished. So that's why they're
really hoping that the public has some cell phone video
in some way that may have caught something twenty minutes
before that might give them a clue as to who
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was involved here. The FBI is working with the Utah
Police in order to try to identify a potential suspect.
But this gunman was about one hundred and fifty two
hundred yards away and fired just that loan shot, and
it doesn't appear they left much evidence behind.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
The loan shot is a clue in and of itself
that this was professional, don't you think.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Well, perhaps you know, it's interesting I've heard some back
and forth on that whether or not someone there was
no wind, it was relatively easy. I'm with you in
this camp of oh, this is someone who is practiced
in this, because not only did you have to take
that shot of about five hundred feet away, you also
had to have it at that exact moment under that pressure.
You know, someone who just shoots at a target wouldn't
(02:06):
necessarily feel the kind of pressure that they would have
been under. Of course, most of all, taking a human life,
So I'm not so sure it was some amateur who
got a lucky shot.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, it wasn't the easiest of shots. He's under a tent,
he's back in the tent. It was a tough angle.
The only thing that Charlie did have a habit of
doing was he would make a statement and then lower
the microphone. I just thought it was interesting. There were
so many We did this with Kennedy too. It was
a much better shot when Kennedy was coming towards the
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book depository, not after the turn, and from behind, you know,
Charlie's outthrowing hats. There were so many, I wondered, and
it really doesn't matter, But it's as if they waited,
they waited for the conversation to turn to violence and
guns to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And I wondered if there was a statement in that.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Just everything, just the sound, the accuracy, the disappearance, the
mountains behind the building that I'm sure, as a professional
assassin was probably on a motorcycle and deep in those
mountains before anybody even got up to run. Where does STAFBI?
Where does local law enforcement go here?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Now?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I mean, I know they're searching grainy images from all
the university cameras. I think they're probably hoping for phones.
I don't even know what phones will reveal. I think
we've seen the far away shot of an image of
somebody on top of that building, but how they got
there and when they left, I don't think they have
those images yet, So Yeah, I don't know what's having
to go on.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Yeah, traffic cameras, I think would be another key bit
of evidence that they might want to go back to
the rest of the university's surveillance system. You're trying to
figure out who was leaving at the time, tracking the
vehicles that came into the school premises at the time.
You know, there's a lot that they can try to
piece together. But I think that they're going to hope
that some of the students there got something that might
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get them a better clue, because this is turning out
to be a difficult investigation if this goes on much longer.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
All they have is the bullet, right, what do we
learn from that?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Right?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
And you know, we're not sure the firearm that was
used here, you know, whether it was a military weapon.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Does that give us some sort of a guidance.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, A lot of questions and also questions about the
security that was there. What the six police officers from
the university in addition to his security detail, his private security.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But where was the ambulance?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
You know, you go to a high school football game,
you'll see an ambulance with two EMTs hopefully standing around
doing nothing. But they're there as a just in case,
I in case something happens on the field or if
someone has a heart attack in the stand So the
fact that there was no ambulance there, even on standby
is rather interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, that troubled me at first until I actually viewed
the shooting. And you would have needed a surgeon. No, Yeah,
he wasn't going to live no matter what. But all right,
in nine to eleven commemorates today the President vice president
just to kind of in like ten seconds or less,
what's planning?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Thanks sure, President and the first lady at the Pentagon.
Then going to go up to see the Yankees game tonight.
We believe that the vice president is actually going to
be in Utah later today. Roy o' neil greg We
go back in the third hour.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
We'll also visit with John Decker next half hour, our
White House correspondent. This is a killing that has hit
the heart of the president as only this president, you know,
who was just missed by a centimeter of being the
first assassination. But this is his children's best friend, somebody
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that worked very hard and helped the president get elected.
It's a very difficult time for the White House. We'll
get more from John Decker on that, all right, the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. You know, David, we keep struggling
to circle the wagons and make sure that we don't
know when people are tuning in first and foremost. I
think this shakes us politically, it shakes us culturally, and
it certainly shakes a lot of us spiritually. We've kind
(05:43):
of covered the spiritual. I feel the need every time
to warn parents this is a much bigger deal for
your kids. I can tell you this has absolutely shaken
and devastated my three children. You don't know, Charlie Kirk
may not have made a big impact on your life,
but that's I keep saying. This is as big as JFK.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
For them.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
This is their Walter Cronkite, JFK, Martin Luther King Junior
all in one. This is a very big assassination for
your kids and be first and foremost apparent. My second
gut reaction would be, don't distance yourself or question God,
cling to him and believe in him even stronger. There's
no question where Charlie is right now. The question is
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where we're going to be without him, And the same
guy that gave us Charlie knows that answer too. And
then I think the third thing is is this a
final straw, a turning point, if you will, for our
nation to heal, calm down, fix these wrongs, or is
it the first shot towards something even more violent and worse.
(06:51):
You and I did a podcast and we may resurrect
it very soon called eighteen fifty. It was named eighteen
fifty Main Street because it really birthed out of the
question and right, it's eighteen fifty. You got ten years
to solve this before a civil war. Why do I
feel like we're seven years into that we're still not
solving it?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Well, because we don't want to deal with the word hate.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And until we deal with the word hate, and we
deal with the reason for hate, and we deal with
the solution for hate, we can't stop killing each other.
That's the human dilemma in the godless equation. Every time
a society, a culture moves to the godless equation, you
end up with a situation where you have no guardrails,
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you have no reason to love your neighbor. And that's
really where we are in our political discussion right now.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
There are a lots You lose God, you lose man,
you lose love, you lose.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Everything, and you lose God, you lose man.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Can you imagine if it was eighteen fifty and they
had the Internet and social media.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, now see, that's very insightful because of the acceleration,
and there are trigger events that happen for between eighteen
fifteen eighteen sixty that led America to the point of
Civil War. It's interesting because this year we're doing Christmas
in America. The year is eighteen thirty seven. It's twenty
three years before the Civil War. John Quincy Adams makes
(08:14):
a speech on July the fourth in which he approaches
this very question of can the Union survive half slave
and half free. Abraham Lincoln is a young congressman at
this time, okay, or trying to become a young congressman
at this time, and Quincy Adams saw the future and
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the question becomes what's the basis upon which we can
turn away from hatred and greed and see each other
in equal humanity, as valuable. And the answer is a
spiritual answer. You cannot stop hate unless you replace it
with love. And why should you love your neighbor, David?
(08:58):
Isn't it the question why should I bother to love
my neighbor?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Isn't it as simple as we're trying to find a
political solution to a spiritual crisis.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Well, and what we've done with our politics is we've
turned America into a machine of identity politics, where we've
told people that you're not made in the image of God,
you're made in the image of X, Y or Z.
And you can plug in a whole different set of trinkets,
all right, which have become people's false idols and then
their identity, so that if your trinkets don't match my trinkets,
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you're not human. You're different than we've bought into identity
politics to the place we do not see ourselves as
the Book of First John talks about as the children
of God. And if we're all children of God, we
can't say we love our father and hate his children.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That way, there's a lot of people wrestling David s
and Isiser senior contributor joining us from the American Policy
round Table in the public square that are really doing
with this was in a sense of earthly justice. This
is the wrong guy to kill. This is the guy
that was fueled by if we stop talking, we're going
to end up in a civil war. So he's trying
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to role model and show you I can disagree completely
and then hug you and leave. And that's why when
he would come to these universities, which used to be
a bastion of free I mean, I'll never forget free speech.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Ali at LSU, I'm seventeen years old.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
On the campus of LSU, I saw some of the
weirdest stuff I've ever seen in my life. In fact,
I can tell you there were several times I meant
to go to class and I would walk by and
there'd be such a freak show.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I never got to class.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Anybody's surprised he didn't make it to the class.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
No, no, but I mean, you know, but you know,
of all places, a university of all places, a guy
who dedicated his life to trying to show us how
we can disagree.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But still respect each other.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
That make it about win ideas, win hearts, win minds,
because his ultimate concern was the same as us. He
felt like, if we can't debate and we can't talk,
we'll start fighting. And then if we start fighting, we
won't stop, and we'll go back to a civil war.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Charlie Knewmchael he was taking that into the academy, and
the academy had divorced itself from that form of intellectual
acquiry a long time ago. Our university started in America,
as most of them's theological seminaries get people's thinking right
toward God and toward man. That was the idea. And
if you teach people that they are nothing but time
plus chance plus matter accidents that only exist based upon
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an identity that is political.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Then you asked why would they take him out there? Well?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Simple, The answer is simple, they couldn't get Excuse me,
I'm not going to answer it that way because I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Know who they is.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I don't know who they is, so I don't know
who killed this man. But I know that some people
this morning are thinking to themselves, well, nobody's been able
to stop Trump. At least they got one of his
good friends.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Earlier this week, I boiled down an understanding to two words.
Optimism and our youth have either. If you abandon God,
you can't have hope. Hope can only come from God.
Hope comes from the certainty of his love and the
certainty of his promises and the certainty of his ability
to fulfill them. And then optimism, well, that comes from culture.
(12:18):
And culture just tells everybody how everything's terrible and it's
only getting worse. So you have kids that are hopeless.
Of course they're going to explore socialism. Yesterday two words
came to my mind. I'm going to throw them both
at you when we come back.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
This is your Morning show with Michael del Chuno.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
Hi, Michael, this is Tamar in Phoenix. I found myself
wanting to hear your voice. Yesterday they thought they were
going to silence Charlie Kirk. They instead created a martyr.
Thank you for always being there for your audience.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I'm nobody from I'm nine to eleven.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Here a date that brought me to erect for six years.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now we lose such a good man that brought me
back to the church yesterday.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
I just hope I can be as good as a
Christian as he is.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
First of all, you're not a nobody. You're James, and
you're fearfully and wonderfully made by God, and He desires
to be in fellowship with you. And your voice matters
on this show. It's named after you, so that's first. Secondly,
set your eyes on Christ, now, Charlie Kirk. That's who
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Charlie had his eyes set on. As to the previous comment, listen,
I'll live a long life and then I'll go spend
eternity with God. And I will always reflect back at
my time on earth and say, Jesus, when you said
greater things we will do because you went to the Father,
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how could you possibly have meant that? Because I didn't
see any of us doing greater things than you. I
have never raised someone from the dead. I have never
turned water into wine. I have never healed a blind man.
And that's when he will look at the numbers. I mean,
there is something to be said. How our children respond
to this is important. That's why I'm going to make
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it very I'm going to do two things right now
that need to be done. Everybody's going to search to
try to be the most eloquent we need to state
the truth. And truth number one is you're a parent,
and this is a much bigger death for your kids
than perhaps even you. You better be aware of that.
This is like their JFK, this is like their MLK.
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My kids are devastated. As soon as I get off
the air, I'm going to go right back into that ministry.
That's what his voice meant to that youth, and it's
a youth that was being reached and pointed to God,
a youth that was being reached and pointed to marriage
and children and family and freedom and liberty. Now, I
(15:16):
am not going to be even begin to compare Charlie
Kirk to Christ and say greater things shall we all
do now?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Because Charlie has gone to the Father.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But the same God that raised Christ from the dead
dwells in us, and it dwelled in Charlie.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
This work must continue.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Now, let me also state the other obvious that I
haven't heard anybody do on radio television, and it was
my first response. No one had a right to take
that woman's husband. Nobody had a right to take those
beautiful children's father from them. Nobody had a right to
take a sacred, purposed created life that God made and
(15:52):
it brings two words to mind, two words to mind
that I'm going to have David respond to everything's inn
existential threat, so existential and dehumanization, because that's ultimately what
led to yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
When your morning show.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Continues, this is Rebecca in spring Hill, Tennessee, and my
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Speaker 9 (16:39):
Listen up, America. There's a lot of people angry. They
want to pull the trigger. They want to lock and load.
I'm seeing it all over the internet. By all means,
lock and load, keep your head on a swivel, defend yourself.
But this is no time for vigilantes. We need to
beat them at the ballot box, not on what we
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consider any other battlefield. Defend yourself, but defend liberty and
protect the memory of Charlie.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Beautifully stated in fact, lock andload. Love would be what
the Bible would tell you. Good overcomes evil, love overcomes hatred.
Powerful words. All right, it is thirty six minutes after
the hour in the Eastern time zone. You got twenty
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four minutes to be to work on time. We're awaiting
John Decker from the White House. This has been a
very personal loss for the White House. This is the
President's sons best friend. This is someone the President worked
very closely with, cared very much about. This is someone
who delivered a lot for the president.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
One of the things that David and I often talk
about is, especially in the presidential election cycle, it is
swing districts, swing precincts of swing districts of swinging states
that decide elections, and a lot of Shenanigans are played
not only with open borders who are then registered harvested
(18:10):
for votes to swing these elections, but on campuses. And
Charlie certainly made a big impact on campuses. As a father,
I witnessed the influence of our kids. In my generation,
everybody was influenced by Rush Limbaugh. In their generation, they
were influenced by Charlie Kirk on TikTok. That's how my
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kids knew it, understood issues, knew how to challenge or
put into perspective the indoctrination that was happening in school.
And I keep pointing back to one. We have a
sovereign God. He's in control. He knew this was coming.
He was not shocked by this. From our standing on
earth and our perspective, this looks like this man was
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taken too early. God knows what he's doing. This is
the time to cling to God, not blame God or
question God. Number two, be a parent that's and understands
this is a much bigger death for your kids. This
is like JFK. This is where you go home from school.
You go home and be with your kids and help them,
comfort them and help them understand these things. Because if
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we're on the radio questioning the political hit or uncertainty,
or the cultural challenges and uncertainty and the spiritual challenges,
they are too. It's a great parenting moment. And then thirdly,
where do we go from here? That's the tough question.
And to that caller, if I'm Russia, if I'm Radical
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Islam and I want this cut, or there's elements within
the United States that would love a civil war, and
we're certainly playing with fire with it. They would love
to see this trigger and escalation. Don't take the bait.
I keep mentioning how personalist is for the White House.
John Decker is our White House correspondent. He's joining us.
The President's address last night spoke directly to it. I
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think one thing we can all take away from this,
this is very personal for the President and his family.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
It is personal.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
You know, he had gotten to know Charlie Kirk over
the last decade. Charlie Kirk, of course started Turning Point
USA back when he was eighteen years old, killed yesterday,
assassinated yesterday at the age of thirty one. But over
the course of all of these years, he's built Turning
Point USA into a powerhouse, a powerhouse within the conservative
(20:32):
movement and within the Republican Party. And he had so
many supporters. He would travel across the country to college
campuses all across the country to gather support for Republican ideals.
And he had gotten to know President Trump as well
as so many staffers within the White House over all
of these years, working for President Trump's election not only
(20:56):
in twenty sixteen, but also in twenty twenty four as
well well, and he made a difference, especially in battleground states,
getting his supporters out there in places like Arizona and Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I don't you know. I'll make the political statement.
I'm certainly grateful Donald Trump was elected and the role
that Charlie Kirk made on campuses. But what I really
appreciated as a parent was the way Charlie Kirk influenced
my children for Christ and educated them on issues, issues
that challenged their very beliefs in places like classrooms. He
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did a lot, and he didn't do it in my life.
He did it in theirs. I mean I kind of
used to always look at him. I think he's kind
of like their Josh McDowell. When I was at LSU,
Josh McDowell was making campus visits and making a tremendous
influence on a generation. But Charlie Kirk was that, plus
a motivator of voting. But I think deep down he
(21:52):
really this is the great Irony John. He wanted to
be Rush Limbaugh, which was interesting because only Laura Ingram
played this clip yesterday. We should maybe find it and
play it. But Rush met him at a golf course
when he was like twenty. Rush actually believed he was
going to be president of the United States someday. He
wanted to be Rush, but not on the radio. He
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thought it needed to be more personal, and he wanted
to do it on campuses, and he wanted to get
back to conversation and debate, which is good hate is not.
And then he dies on campus doing the very thing
that he was inspired to do. Boy, it's just a
lot to take in, isn't it. And then when you're
the president, it's somebody that delivered for you and is
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your son's best friend.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
This is very personal. And on nine to eleven of
all days.
Speaker 10 (22:39):
Right, Yeah, it's just a somber day.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
You know.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
I see on the calendar nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I see it, you know, weeks ahead of time, and
I know how I'm going to feel on this day.
Speaker 10 (22:52):
And then it's magnified in terms of how I feel based.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Upon what happened yesterday.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
And I think that is something that many people feel
all across the country after what occurred yesterday in Utah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
John Decker has always what a pleasure, have a good day.
We are not ignorant of nine to eleven. It is
always worthy of being remembered, and it's never enough to
just remember. We remember because it happened to them, and
it could have happened to us, and we honor, which
is a function of the heart by ensuring it never
happens again. And if nine to eleven was an awakening,
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which I, by the way, do not agree with. Heck,
I even saw the movie Executive Decision with Kurt Russell,
which was the very act of nine to eleven years
before nine to eleven, So I never bought the nine
to eleven commission's failure of imagination. That was a ridiculous notion.
And Islam didn't just appear on the scene on nine
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to eleven. In fact, it wasn't even the first time
it hit that building attacked at first in ninety three,
so it shouldn't have been an awakening of anything. But
if it was awakening, boy, we've fallen asleep in twenty
four years. You can just take a gander at the
mayor election and come to that conclusion. David Snadi's our
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senior contributories joining us. I would never say that the
death of one overshadows the death of nearly threeenty twenty
four years ago. I would simply say that it would
be inappropriate to address a twenty four year old hurt
when so many people are waking up with a fresh hurt,
and so we're focused on the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
(24:32):
I cannot add to what my immediate reaction was, which
was a very sincere brother has been taken from us,
and the call to pray for his wife and children,
because it's a level of shock and grief I can't fathom,
and it's the only actionable thing I can do that
(24:54):
makes a real difference in the moment. And so I
pray to a living God who knew this was going
to happen and will work this together for greater good
and purpose. But I pray for that wife and children
and their loss. And then I ended with this statement,
I pray for us because I'm certain where Charlie is now.
(25:17):
I don't know that I'm as certain where we're going
to be without him. And then shortly after that, two
words came to mind, existential because everything's an existential threat.
Donald Trump's an existential threat to democracy and dehumanization, and
the dehumanization comes to mind because of you and your
influence on me. So I'm going to let you address
(25:40):
that one. First, I would just say that the week
started with looking at our youth embracing socialism, and I said,
two words came to mind, hope and optimism. Hope comes
from God, and kids simply can't have hope without a
relationship with God, because only God has the ability to provide,
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the promise to provide, and can give you actual hope.
Optimism can come from culture, from your mind, from the economy.
And we haven't given our kids either, No wonder they're
willing to embrace something as dumb as socialism. And then
I weekends losing Charlie and these two words existential and dehumanization.
(26:21):
But we saw dehumanization in the response from the left,
especially before the pronouncement of death in this shooting. How
powerful is dehumanization in all of this?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Well, it is the essential to get a culture to
kill itself. It's essential, and there is an enemy. One
word that I've heard a lot on media in the
last twenty four hours is the word evil. Now that's
not a fun thing to talk about, but it's refreshing
in this sense. It balances the scales because when we
(26:55):
talk about all the other things that we talk about
in a realm of created beings with free moral agency
and conscience. You have to remember that the devil gets
a vote. There is evil, and evil is at work
in the world, and humans can choose evil. They did
in the beginning, and that's what got us in this
mess in the first place. God had a plan from
(27:18):
the beginning. Now the key, I think for all of us,
and see, I'm gonna turn this in exactly the opposite direction.
It's a little early in the debate, but I'm going
to give it a try. I heard a lot of
people yesterday saying, they shot kk Charlie Kirk, they shot him,
they got him. Who's they? You see, that's the humanization.
(27:41):
A human being took out another human being. We don't
know anything about that human being. To automatically assume that
that human being is representing a group of people and
then fill in the blanks, you can't do that. You
cannot do that. We are called to love our neighbor
as we love ourselves. We are called in our culture
(28:03):
to presume that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, because they.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Have ultimate worth of God.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
They're a living, spiritual being whom God cares about more
than we do.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
So we have to be very can I make it
even worse? Sure, we're not just called to love our
neighbor as ourself, We're called to love those who hate us.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
And see that's the difference. That's why when the Founders
said that our rights were inalienable and they come from
the Creator, they were talking of the God of the Bible,
because they knew that throughout human history there never been
a platform by which people could govern themselves and reach
to love unless they were in connection with the person
who made us in the first place, who gives us
(28:45):
the ability to love and forgive, Because in and of myself,
I could never forgive the person who pulled that trigger.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, and now we just added that also a right
perspective of self. In other words, I'm very forgiving because
I'm very honest about my state of sin, because You've
been forgiven and I've been forgiven.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So you know, how would you?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I mean, by the way of all of Jesus's parables,
toughest moment, and he's a god.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Who knew heart.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
When he told the rich young ruler sell everything and
follow me, he knew he struck right to the heart
of his God, and he chose money over the living
Christ and Messiah in front of him.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
That's a bad moment. Judas is a bad moment.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
The harshest moment was in his parable of the one
that the King forgave him of his debts, and then
he went and shook down everybody that owed him money.
That was as Yeah, that was a very angry God
in that parable.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You can keep going, Michael.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
When Saint Paul talks about this, and two times he
talks about in the Book of Colossians and Anophesians, forgive
as God forgave you.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
It's in the Lord's prayer. It's a covenant we make
with God.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
And it finishes by saying, Jesus is at the end
of the p and if you don't forgive, God won't
forgive you. There's no capacity to do that in and
of yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
No, the Creator.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
That's why the declaries of independence put it put the
Creator at the core of the self evident truth, because
we can't do.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
This by ourselves.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I heard speaker Johnson yesterday, I can't. I think it
was Sean Hannity's show. He was on one of the shows.
He says, you can't hate somebody when you know their kids' names.
It's really hard to hate somebody when you know their
kids names. Other words, But what he was speaking to
was this dehumanization. And I know the Internet is all
of this on steroids. It just played the matrix game.
(30:35):
You just played the US versus them in anonymity. You
just fire off all this stuff. It's humanity at its
worst online. I stay offline for a day or two.
Spare yourself the temptation. Now is the time to focus
on God, his divinity, his sovereignty more than ever. And
(30:57):
my trust wasn't in Donald Trump, and it wasn't in
Charlie Kirk, though I thank God for both. It's in
God and in Him is where we find these abilities
to have peace at a time it doesn't seem like
you should have peace, to have boldness at a time
where it seems like you should shut up and hide,
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to conquer, be more than a conqueror. This is all
found in God. David's going to do a Christmas in America.
I'm one of my favorite presidents, the son of John Adams,
John Quincy Adams. It's one of my favorite quotes. Oh,
this republic altogether wrong for an immoral people. We need
morality more than ever. And this notion that we can
(31:40):
find a calm and a peace and a political divide
when it's really a spiritual crisis, well, it's a fool's errand.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And then we circle back to shouldn't have been killed?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
It is not acceptable that this woman's husband was taken,
that this father was taken from his children. And I
don't know why. In my spirit I find myself praying
not more for who shot them, but who gave the
order to shoot them, because I'm convinced it was a
professional head.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
May that justice come.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
It will come in heaven, May it come on earth
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Speaker 3 (33:36):
It's your morning show with Michael del Chorno.
Speaker 11 (33:41):
Hi, this is Kathy from Wessalem, Ohio. Charlie Kirk was
not a political activist like so much of the media
calls him. He was a conservative commentator with Christian values
and right now the country needs to get down on
their knees and pray to Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior,
for hope, strength and endurance. In Christ, all things are possible.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Those people in Ohio, they got some strong faith. That's
why I'm the King of Ohio, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Fifty six minutes after the hour closing moments, So David
Sinaudi's senior contributor also hosted the Public squareheard on two
hundred stations, and the chairman of why am I going
blank on?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Chairman of the American Policy around here? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Sorry, my heart's in other places right now. I want
to give this final minute and a half to you.
This is a political hit, This is a cultural challenge
and uncertainty, and it says shakening spiritually help comfort our listeners.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Well, there is no they. That's the most important thing
to practice true spirituality in this situation means we pray
for those who are our enemies and despiteful of you
asbuse us. That's what Jesus taught on the Sermon on
the Mount. So there is no they. Well, why do
you pray for those who've taken someone as treasured as
this man? How do you pray for the shooter? You
(34:57):
pray for the shooter, you ask God to help you
to for the shooter. You say, God, I forgive this person,
and I pray for him. Please, God help this person.
You pray for those who despitefully use you. It is
a discipline. It is childlike. It is awkward, it is embarrassing.
You don't usually want anybody else to hear you because
you're afraid they'll be angry at you, because you should
(35:18):
be praying that God strikes them dead. Look, God in
the end gets everybody right. He's not fooled. We don't
need to convince him. He knows what happened. He calls
us to love like God loves us. You know when
John Paul the Second knew it was Poland versus the
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Soviet Union and he was the pope, what he did
and coming up as an archbishop and then a cardinal,
he told the people of Poland you had to be
more Christian than the communists were communists?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And how relevant that is as Poland was struck with
drones by Russia.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
David, thank you so much for your time, love you.
We're all in this together.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
This is your morning show like Golden to Hell Chow
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