Rory O’Neill will have the latest on the breaking story involving the shooting of political activist and media personality Charlie Kirk. Plus, It has been 24 years since the United States were attacked by terrorists. RORY will run down what is planned to commemorate the events of September 11, 2001.
How does a loving God allow 9-11 or a shooting like Charlie Kirk?? Lucky for us, our economist David Bahnsen is also a theologian…and boy, do we need him.
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Seven minutes after the hour, Welcome to Thursday, September the eleventh,
twenty twenty five, as America commemorates the twenty fourth anniversary
of the attacks in the World Trade Center. The kind
of gone in Washington and the plane downed in Shanksfield, Pennsylvania,
kind of overshadowed by the sadness of the assassination of
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Charlie Kirk at the young age of thirty one just
north of Provo, Utah yesterday. The man hunt's still underway
for the person who who assassinated him. The President ordered
flags lowered to half staff, and the President addressed America
with a pre recorded White House address. I'm going to
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share that with you next half hour, Rory o'neilis here
are your morning show correspondent with the very latest, and
the very latest is still no idea. I mean I
always have this vision, Rory, of a professional on a
roof I mean, a real assassin, one that doesn't miss
and doesn't get caught. One shot, probably on a motorcycle,
and within ten minutes in those mountains where no one
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could find him, and probably flown out of the country
by now. Please tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Well, it's all possible, and again it's a lot of
speculation still at this point, but there may not be
a whole lot of evidence to go on. I know
they're going through a lot of video to see if
there are other images that may show this person on
a rooftop. Some have described him as wearing jeans and
black top, but it's still difficult to get any details
from that imagery that we have seen released so far.
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I think a lot of progresses, or a lot of
the work is going to be focusing on the vehicles
coming and going to the college campus, starting earlier that day,
trying to get a better idea as to exactly who
would have been there, using license plate readers and to
try to find people, and again rely a lot on
that video that's still coming into the FBI.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Watching the news conference yesterday afternoon, you know, it's so
unfair to a campus police chief. I mean, you know,
you have a job of protecting students. They had six
I believe there, they had some out, you know, ununiformed
officers mixed in, but you're talking about three thousand people.
And then you know, if that were the president speaking
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those buildings, I mean, they would have all been secured.
But it's not. I mean, there's just it's kind of
at the end of the day, it's the risk that
Charlie Kirk was very aware of and new and it happened.
But the way a tent was positioned, the image that
we see on that building, which I can't get a
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sense it didn't seem like more than one hundred and
twenty five yards away. I do everything by golf, but
how far away it was, And then there's an image
of somebody laying on that building. I think the belief
is that may have been the shooter. That would be
the trajectory of the angle. And then the next question
is what we can learn from other people's phones in
the bullet itself, right right.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
We think it's about five hundred and twenty feet. I
think that's one of the numbers I've seen floating around.
You know, clearly a difficult shot, not impossible, But you know,
there's also the emotional X factor there, assuming you know
that this person hasn't killed anyone before. I've heard plenty
of people tell me this morning, Oh well, you know
a few hours of training and with a scope you
could do that. Well, yeah, but you know, also the
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impact of what you're actually doing. It can also put
a lot of anxiety in the pressure of that moment,
and again for that one single shot to be effective,
and again to have planned the escape, you know, as
you said, off to the mountains and whatever may have happened.
But this was not a mass shooter who planned to
commit suicide or to be killed by the cops. This
was planned in a very different way. They knew, they
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could have assumed, I think where Kirk would have been
speaking the way that that area is set up. So
they knew the campus, knew the location, knew the setup.
Likely so they did some homework before this happened. Yeah,
this is obviously the urgent, immediate story of the day.
It's as important, but not any more important.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
As nine to eleven. And to the President, this is
a very deep personal hurt for the President and his family.
They will also be remembering the nearly three thousand lost
their life on nine to eleven. What are the plans
for today?
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Yeah, the President and First Lady will be at events
at the Pentagon this morning, and then later this afternoon
they'll fly up to New York. They'll actually go to
a Yankees game to be alongside fellow New Yorkers. Tonight
is the plan. The Vice President was going to take
part in the Yankee game, I think, but they've changed that.
So the Vice President his wife are flying to Utah
to be with the Kirk family.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
The Vice President and Charlie Kirk were very close. Yeah,
and boy, doesn't that bring back memories of twenty four
years ago because that moment of throwing out the first
pitch at the Yankees game, that was because I remember
those first moments after nine to eleven? For days, how
does life ever be normal again? Who makes the first joke?
And there was just something about that emotion in Yankee
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Stadium that said, Okay, it's time to rebuild, move on.
And live. So the president will be doing that as
well today. Great reporting today, Rory. We'll talk again tomorrow.
Maybe we'll know more tomorrow. How does a loving God
allow something like nine to eleven to happen? How does
a loving, sovereign, divine God allow Charlie Kirk to be
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taken in such a way? Well, lucky for you, our
economist is also a theologian. David Bonson is joining us,
and boy do we need you today, David. Good morning,
Good morning, Michael. You know this is one of those
questions that I know theologians have debated for you. I
tried to exegete it a little bit for the audience earlier.
We're living in a fallen world. This was not God's plan.
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Number one. Number two, free will is in play, because
it must be. I can't obey God. I can't truly
love God unless I have a free will. If if
my wife has to love me and my children have
to love me, well then that's not even love. It's
God's divine great purpose from an eternal position and perspective
that is often lost on us living here, and he
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shares in our suffering, and ultimately he's in control. And
ultimately there is victory. I kind of summed it up
this way. I have no doubt where Charlie is. He's
in the presence of God right now and living in
unspeakable joy. I do have some uncertain about where we're
headed here on earth without him, and who will fill
his shoes. But that age old argument for atheists, or
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theological debate, of how a loving God could allow such
a thing, How would you explain it to people?
Speaker 6 (07:00):
So I think a lot of the ways you just
summed it up are most helpful theologically. That we have
to understand that there is a divine purpose that is
incomprehensible to us as finite humans. We are the creation,
and He is the creator, and his ways are.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Not our ways.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
And that.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Sort of emotional contemplation is difficult theologically.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
It is certainly sound.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Sometimes what a theological sound is not super useful in
a particular emotional.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
Moment, because we are human beings.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
I think the issue of the atheists and the so
called problem of evil has always been the refutation of atheism,
not a theism, because there is no evil if there
isn't a divine God.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
The things that they lament, the destruction.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
In a nine to eleven, the murder of my friend
Charlie Kirk. These are not things that are wrong in
the atheist worldview. They only become wrong when the atheists,
which I'm very grateful most atheists do. But they only
become wrong when the atheist borrows from our worldview. When
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the atheist steps out of the claim that all of
this is matter by chance and by accident, which is,
of course, if it were true, completely devoid of any
moral implication, and kicking children would be like kicking stones if.
Speaker 7 (08:38):
It were true.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
But the atheist doesn't really believe it, and that's a
good thing. They borrow from the Christian worldview, which states
that there is a.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Right and wrong, and that right and wrong.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Is rooted absolutes and the only philosophical answer, which, again, Michael,
just allow me to say, please again. I know it
isn't emotionally sufficient. No, I know, we're human being we're
human beings. But philosophically, there isn't a problem of evil.
If an all powerful, all loving God has an all powerful,
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all loving reason for allowing evil to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
There is, and I don't know who to credit it to.
I brought it up twice today, but it was a meme,
and you know they don't always attribute it, but it's
the notion that we are not We're not humans having
spiritual experience. We are spirit beings having a temporary earthly experience,
I think. But what I love about that is it
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gives you the perspective and that's the difference between God.
I mean, God can certainly use this. I mean I
think of you know, the one thing I wanted to
warn all parents listening today is this is a big death.
I know. I have two twenty nearly twenty one year
olds and a nineteen year old. This is a JFK
big death for them. This is a big assassination. This
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is somebody that is greatly come to their rescue for
when they were trying to sort out what my parents
taught me versus what I'm hearing in this classroom. He
has pointed them to Christ, he has pointed them to marriage,
he has pointed them to parenthood. I mean, he has
been a huge influen. It's kind of like a JFK
MLK all wrapped in one. If you're not aware of that,
your kids are politically shaken, culturally shaken, and spiritually shaken.
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I need you to be parents today. So Number one,
I point out, it's a big death. Number two, if
I look at it just like, I can live divinely today,
or I can live michael ly, I can live eternally
minded today, or I can live very in the moment
in Michael Ley. When I live in myself, I get angry.
Nobody had a right to take that husband. Nobody had
a right to take that father. No one had a
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right to take that leader. No one had a right
to take that sacred life. That's right and that's wrong.
But not enough of us live divinely and eternally minded
enough to know that this God is in control. This
is a time to draw close to God, embrace him
and trust him. He will use this for greater good.
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And I want to do it in a really earthly
way and say the way. My kids are now going
back and watching the same videos that influenced him the
first time. They're seeing it in a different way now
that he's been taken. And it could it goes back
to when Jesus said, greater things shall you do? Because
I go to the Father. Not many of us are
doing greater things than Christ did, but it's possible and
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it's possible in this too, So I guess it's all
a matter of whether you look at it eternally or earthly. Right, Well,
that's exactly right.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
And I don't disagree at all about the idea that
we have an eternal soul that can never die. But
you know, we're also not atonic. We don't believe that
the soul is that a material realm that is superior
to the physical. Christ came in Christ's incarnate, became in
bodily flesh, fully God and fully man. And what we
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experience as physical embodying people matters. God cares about our bodies,
and we will be resurrected from the dead someday in body.
We will be given a new body. So what we
deal with in the physical realm matters. And yet the
spiritual destiny, and where Charlie is today in heaven we
rest this is of course our destiny. And so all
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these things are true at once, and sometimes they involve
great pain, and a lot of times they can bring.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Us great peace.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
And somehow we have to reconcile those two things.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
By the way, David Bonson as an economist, he's also
lucky for us today at theologian. You know, you just
brought up something really big, and I don't even know
if we want to go there, the asleep in Christ
and then Jesus woul thief on the cross. You'll be
with me this day in paradise. The New Heaven is
not in existence yet. I mean, is it a dream?
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Is he asleep? Is it is asleep to the point
where just like when we sleep, and doesn't for like
nine hours past. Your next thought is that's ahole lot
of logical debate. All I was going to say is,
while it's refreshing to hear somebody that agrees with me,
by the way you worded it, probably not fruitful to
have that discussion right now. But whether it's paradise, whether
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it's in the presence of God in a sleep state
awaiting eternal work and fellowship with the Father, Charlie is
in a great place. The uncertainty now is how are
we without him? What is the proper way to handle
this loss? And what is the dangerous improper ways to
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handle it?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
That you see, well, certainly the dangerous and improper way
is to be like them, to be like murderous, poisonous, toxic,
hateful people that want to settle political disagreement with rifles
instead of with.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Debate and argument.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
And one thing I'll say about Charlie, he and I
disagreed on a lot of things, and he was one
of the most civil, cordial, charitable people to disagree with
I've ever encountered. He also, I don't say this a
lot of people about a lot of people, Michael, because
I think I'm a pretty good debater. Charlie was incredibly
Charlie was incredibly prepared, intentional, thoughtful.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
You know, I'm I feel like an old man now.
Charlie was thirty one.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Throughout his twenties, he had a confidence and a preparation
and a strategic way of thinking that we all should envy.
I haven't. I've been around a little while now, I
haven't met two people in my life as articulate and
rhetorically prepared, with eloquence and you know, just sort of
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that ability to discuss things coachingly as I have Charlie.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
And I say that even when on occasion I thought
he was.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Wrong, he and I and I don't know that the
right can replace that very easily. We underestimate how important
it is to present our arguments well Yes, Charlie did
not die.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
He did not die.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Shooting at people he disagreed with. He died presenting the
truth in a public forum. Because Charlie believed in the
liberal society. He believed in the free society, he believed
in the freedoms of the Bill of Rights, and the
people who took his life did not.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, and there's something Joseph like him in that, here's
a guy that doesn't go to college, doesn't He wanted
to go to the to West Point, didn't get in,
and then goes to probably be one of the most
revolutionary people on college campus. So and spared the indoctrination
of it. There there's an amazing twist. But there's no
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question that he was fearfully, wonderfully made and purposed by God,
and his fate is certain. All of our hearts are
broken for his two children, his wife, and I pray
for us because we need another Charlie Kirk in a hurry,
or we need all those that followed him to do
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greater things. Now that Charlie's gone home to be with
the Lord. Great words, David, God bless you, my friend,
Love you with all my heart. God bless.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
This is your Morning Show with Michael Dale. Chuno quick
turn around here when we come back.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I want to It's amazing how life can change on
a dime and rarely even give you a Nichols change.
I thought I'd be doing a you know, nine to
eleven remembrance address, turns out to be a Charlie Kirk
one on one with you. The God is the same
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and the perspective is the same. Let's have some human
moments together next on your morning show.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
This is Devia Morris from our little town of Franklin, Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
My morning show is Morning Show with Michael Dale.
Speaker 8 (17:02):
Jorneo.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Hey, it's Michael reminding you that your morning show can
be heard live each weekday morning five to eighth Central,
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Speaker 3 (17:24):
We're grateful you're here now. Enjoy the podcast. Thursday September
the eleventh year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, the
twenty fourth anniversary of the terror attacks of nine to eleven.
President has plans today for commemorating ceremonies. The Vice President
and the second Lady will be headed to be with
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Charlie Kirk's family. The President will wrap up the twenty
fourth anniversary at the Yankees game later on. And what
a symbolic moment that was after nine to eleven with
George W. Bush at a Yankees game. And the manhunt
is still underway for the person who shot and killed
Charlie Kirk. It looks to me like a professional hit
job and therefore maybe difficult to ever find out who
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actually pulled this trigger or who ordered it, if that
be the case. More on that coming up. I really
wanted today. I said this at the very beginning of
the show. I don't compete against other radio people or stations.
We have our morning family, and I want our family
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to be a family of prayer, because that's the living
God that can take action today and somehow, as impossible
as it seems, begin to protect those two children and
comfort that wife who lost her husband. So I want
us to be a praying show. If there were any ratings,
I hope our ratings show that we were number one
in listeners who actually didn't get online and debate, didn't
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fear monger or hate or anything else, but prayed and
prayed for God's protection on this family and comfort and healing.
And then I wanted us to be a show that
lets you talk, because it's your morning show and we
can't have it without your voice. And I think there's
some comfort and peace in allowing you to speak as well.
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So I want to do that real quick. And then
I want to share an important email, and then I
want to share an important one on one time together
because this needs to be politically, culturally, and spiritually put
into perspective. And that much we will do at the
kitchen table this morning. Let's start with Woody in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I still have a pit in my stomach over this assassination.
There's definitely evil loose in the world, and unfortunately, according
to revelations, it will get worse.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
But the hope and.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Promise is the day Christ returns, punishes the evil and
makes things right.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Amen, Bryce in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
I think one of the greatest gifts that Charlie Kirk
gave us. He taught us how to love our enemy,
how to respect them, and how to have a conversation
in respect when people did disagree with you, and to
respect them. I think he demonstrate loving your enemy one
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of the best ways.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
He was driven. I mean, this is a man that
was as a child eighteen and started this. He wanted
to be the next Rush Limbaugh, meaning an influence, and
didn't believe radio was the place. Oh he would do radio,
he would do television. He thought it needed to be
for his generation, more personable in person. I think it's
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interesting for a guy who never went to college, he
shaped and influences campuses more than anybody in history. And
we don't glorify people in death beyond what they were
in life. This was a faithful servant who loved God,
loved his wife, loved his children, loved his country, and
loved the youthful generation and was pointing them to the cross,
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pointing them to the Constitution, pointing them to the Declaration
of Independence, pointing them to marriage and family and children,
and was having a tremendous influence for our kids. This
is a JFK MLK death and rise to that as parents.
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This is huge. I'm gonna address that more in a moment,
but you're right to point out you would honor his
example in the way he lived. Valerie next listening to
WLAC in Nashville.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Good morning, Michael. It's a rough day for all of us.
But I work in higher education where we keep our
beliefs to ourselves because we need to get by waiting
for the message from administration telling students where they can
get counseling if necessary. But it hasn't come yet. When
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the Supreme Court reversed the abortion bill, that came pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Does anybody need to add any words to what Valerie saying?
I don't. I can tell you this. That's a big omission,
and it's not one that took Charlie by surprise to
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look at that place and go, man, you got to
have more security in that. You can't have all those buildings.
He knew the risks every time he went on a campus.
He chose to go into the den of hatred and
to have spirited, loving debate. And what his life proves
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is he overcame the very sighted indoctrination that Valerie's pointing to,
because I'm telling you he reached a generation and he
overcame the intelligencies indoctrination. And so whether they continue to
play their old games or not, sure you're right to
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reveal it. But that's part of what we should be
thanking God for in the work he did through Charlie. Wow,
that's stunningly revealing. Valerie James in Youngstown.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Michael, all I can say is it was the divine
providence that you weren't on vacation this week instead of
last week, because your listeners certainly need your perspective, your compassion,
your Christian love, and your hope for the future in
spite of this tragedy.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You're going to say, but not about me, Perry Ashville,
but thank you so much.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
Hesitate to say rest in peace when someone passes away,
because if they don't know Jesus Christ, you know Jesus
Christ as a personal savior, they're not resting in peace.
I feel at peace and saying rest in peace. Missioner Kirk,
you were a good and faithful servant.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Love your brother. Oh, thank you beautifully stated. All right,
let's have a little one on one time. I reacted
immediately as a parent for two reasons. One, I see
Charlie Kirk first and foremost as a brother in christ
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eternal family. Secondly, as a loving husband and a wonderful father,
And so my heart immediately went to the young wife
and to the two children that will never have their father.
That's a parent's perspective, you know. I think often as
a parent now I used to think only as a child.
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I wonder sometimes if my parents, when I was a
child fought as I think as a parent, and they've
never said it to me, So my guess is no.
But I would ask them, are they aware of how
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thankful to God they should be? For Josh McDowell, for
Charles Finney, for Leonard Ravenhill, for Watchman Knee, for Keith Green,
for David Wilkerson, and specifically to Frank Lauria. As a
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parent today, I lay in bed every night and in
my flesh I worry, and in my spirit I cry
out to God, protect my children, Draw them to you.
May they have a heart for you. May they live
for you. May they know you, May they love you.
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May they influence others. May they live not just eternally,
but abundantly. While on earth. I beg Him, I cry
out to Him. It is in the flesh my greatest worry,
and it is in my spirit my greatest prayer. It
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should have been my parents. And if it was, these
were all their answers had they prayed. These were their answers,
even though they didn't pray it. But now I think
like a parent preparing to deliver a nine to eleven
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address on the twenty fourth anniversary, I get the news flash,
Charlie Kirk has been shot. My first thought is, okay,
but you gotta live. Then I saw the video, the
faraway video, and I thought Kennedy would have survived the neck.
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You might be alive, Dear God. When I saw the
close up video, I knew he was gone and it'd
be confirmed in three hours. But again, my initial thought
was as a parent, because I can tell you remember
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what I said at the beginning of the show, Let's
not forget to thank God for his nature, his divinity,
his sovereignty, and his purpose in Charlie Kirk's life. And
let me make this very clear, I'm thanking him as
a father though I've never met him. Was getting ready to,
and had I it would have been the first words
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out of my mouth. All I could do is live
as an example and love my children. But I don't
know that I reached him any more than my parents
could have reached me, Not the way Frank Gloria did
not the way Josh McDonell did.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
So.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
As a father, I have an eternal gratitude and debt
to Charlie Kirk. I've said a million times this morning, parents,
wake up, if you haven't already. This is a huge death.
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I had one daughter so upset she drove home from college.
The other hadn't been able to get to yet, and
I know how shaken she is. And they're shaken in
all areas. One of the most influential people of their
young life was just killed, and they had to watch
it graphically. The Zuppruterer film was grainy and we didn't
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see it for a long time. This they saw instantly,
in a sense, they loved him the way I loved
Frank Lauria. They loved him the way I loved Josh McDowell,
Leonard Ravenhill, Charles Finney, David Wilkerson. This is devastating. I'm
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just trying to use terms older people can understand. This
is like when JFK got shot. You need to be
aware and parent accordingly. But this isn't a time to hate.
This isn't a time to divide further. It may go
that way, and it may likely go that way. This
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is the time to lock and load faith, lock and
load love, and not forget to thank God for the
work he did through Charlie Kirk. And I'm just one
parent sitting here this morning, looking you in the eye
and say I have a debt to this man, and
when I get to heaven, I'm going to thank him
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because when my kids were in the kind of classrooms
of valories describing in that call, Charlie Kirk reached them,
and he reached them in love, in Christ and in
great eloquent debate and reassured everything I instilled in them,
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shot down everything they were hearing in class. Did he
politically activate a lot of people? Yes, we go through
the polls all the time. You keep hearing me how
many times tell you there's something different about this young generation,
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so much so it scares me because the last time
a generation was this different was the generation of the
Depression that would have to be and sacrificially used to
liberate the world. God has raised up an amazing generation,
probably for a pretty scary time or for a great
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time of awakening and revival. And I don't know which yet,
But if I start looking for human names that have
gone and done the impossible. These are the great gray
areas that none of us can seem to solve. A
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Donald Trump has taken out the media. Journalism is dead.
It no longer sets the narrative and has influence. Nobody
has solved the matrix. Nobody has solved the social dilemma
or the wild, wild, out of control West. I asked
David Zanadia question this morning that I knew was going
to blow his mind. It was unfair do live on
the air, but somebody had to do it for effect.
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If it was eighteen fifty and you had ten years
to keep the civil war from happening, well good luck.
I never could solve that, and we didn't and we
had it. And if we're on the brink of another
civil war, how do we stop it? And then I
asked David the question, imagine it's eighteen fifty and you
have the internet in social media. You should have seen
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a look on his face. This is a very troubling, dark,
uncertain time. And to Charlie's namesake, turning point. It's a
turning point towards civility or towards further violence and closer
to civil war. But right now is a time to
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pray for his wife, Erica, and his two children. Pray
for law enforcement. Maybe we can't find who did it,
but we can find who ordered it, because there's no
question in my mind this was a professional hit. But
I will not sit here on this day and as
a parent not thank God for using Charlie Kirk to
reach my children in the way. Josh McDowell reached me,
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Charles Finny reached me, Leonard Ravenhill reached me, Watchman Nee
reached me, Keith Green reached me, David Wilkerson reached me,
and Frank Gloria led me. Don't forget to thank God
for him and the same God that worked through Charlie,
it's probably going to work through thousands of those he reached,
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or at least that's my prayer and what turns out
to be a Charlie Kirk address nine to eleven address, sad,
sad day.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
It's your morning show with Michael del Chorno.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
I'm going to take the final salans dead. He very
sincere brother has been taken and shouldn't have been. There'll
be justice eternally. He'll be justice in heaven. There is
for Charlie. Right now every time the enemy tries to
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sucker you into fear, resist him. He'll flee. Every time
you seek to aggravate yourself on social media with the
hate and the vitriol of a few that just appears
to be many, or resist the urge, take a day
or two off when either of those temptations happen. Stop
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and pray for Charlie's wife. Stop and pray for Charlie's children.
Stop and pray for turning point that God will make
clear the next person to continue that movement forward and
reach kids the way he reached them through Charlie. And ultimately,
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pray for us because this adds to a political cultural uncertainty.
But don't let it shake your spirit or your confidence
in a divine, sovereign God who's very much in control
and he knows where this is going. Walking load and loved,
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and go in peace and cherish your life. God, rest
Charlie Kirk this peace, fre eternity, and we'll see him
again soon. Thanks for joining us. We'll see in the
morning for the next Joe Morning Show.
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Seven minutes after the hour, Welcome to Thursday, September the eleventh,
twenty twenty five, as America commemorates the twenty fourth anniversary
of the attacks in the World Trade Center. The kind
of gone in Washington and the plane downed in Shanksfield, Pennsylvania,
kind of overshadowed by the sadness of the assassination of
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Charlie Kirk at the young age of thirty one just
north of Provo, Utah yesterday. The man hunt's still underway
for the person who who assassinated him. The President ordered
flags lowered to half staff, and the President addressed America
with a pre recorded White House address. I'm going to
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share that with you next half hour, Rory o'neilis here
are your morning show correspondent with the very latest, and
the very latest is still no idea. I mean I
always have this vision, Rory, of a professional on a
roof I mean, a real assassin, one that doesn't miss
and doesn't get caught. One shot, probably on a motorcycle,
and within ten minutes in those mountains where no one
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could find him, and probably flown out of the country
by now. Please tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Well, it's all possible, and again it's a lot of
speculation still at this point, but there may not be
a whole lot of evidence to go on. I know
they're going through a lot of video to see if
there are other images that may show this person on
a rooftop. Some have described him as wearing jeans and
black top, but it's still difficult to get any details
from that imagery that we have seen released so far.
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I think a lot of progresses, or a lot of
the work is going to be focusing on the vehicles
coming and going to the college campus, starting earlier that day,
trying to get a better idea as to exactly who
would have been there, using license plate readers and to
try to find people, and again rely a lot on
that video that's still coming into the FBI.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Watching the news conference yesterday afternoon, you know, it's so
unfair to a campus police chief. I mean, you know,
you have a job of protecting students. They had six
I believe there, they had some out, you know, ununiformed
officers mixed in, but you're talking about three thousand people.
And then you know, if that were the president speaking
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those buildings, I mean, they would have all been secured.
But it's not. I mean, there's just it's kind of
at the end of the day, it's the risk that
Charlie Kirk was very aware of and new and it happened.
But the way a tent was positioned, the image that
we see on that building, which I can't get a
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sense it didn't seem like more than one hundred and
twenty five yards away. I do everything by golf, but
how far away it was, And then there's an image
of somebody laying on that building. I think the belief
is that may have been the shooter. That would be
the trajectory of the angle. And then the next question
is what we can learn from other people's phones in
the bullet itself, right right.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
We think it's about five hundred and twenty feet. I
think that's one of the numbers I've seen floating around.
You know, clearly a difficult shot, not impossible, But you know,
there's also the emotional X factor there, assuming you know
that this person hasn't killed anyone before. I've heard plenty
of people tell me this morning, Oh well, you know
a few hours of training and with a scope you
could do that. Well, yeah, but you know, also the
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impact of what you're actually doing. It can also put
a lot of anxiety in the pressure of that moment,
and again for that one single shot to be effective,
and again to have planned the escape, you know, as
you said, off to the mountains and whatever may have happened.
But this was not a mass shooter who planned to
commit suicide or to be killed by the cops. This
was planned in a very different way. They knew, they
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could have assumed, I think where Kirk would have been
speaking the way that that area is set up. So
they knew the campus, knew the location, knew the setup.
Likely so they did some homework before this happened. Yeah,
this is obviously the urgent, immediate story of the day.
It's as important, but not any more important.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
As nine to eleven. And to the President, this is
a very deep personal hurt for the President and his family.
They will also be remembering the nearly three thousand lost
their life on nine to eleven. What are the plans
for today?
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Yeah, the President and First Lady will be at events
at the Pentagon this morning, and then later this afternoon
they'll fly up to New York. They'll actually go to
a Yankees game to be alongside fellow New Yorkers. Tonight
is the plan. The Vice President was going to take
part in the Yankee game, I think, but they've changed that.
So the Vice President his wife are flying to Utah
to be with the Kirk family.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
The Vice President and Charlie Kirk were very close. Yeah,
and boy, doesn't that bring back memories of twenty four
years ago because that moment of throwing out the first
pitch at the Yankees game, that was because I remember
those first moments after nine to eleven? For days, how
does life ever be normal again? Who makes the first joke?
And there was just something about that emotion in Yankee
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Stadium that said, Okay, it's time to rebuild, move on.
And live. So the president will be doing that as
well today. Great reporting today, Rory. We'll talk again tomorrow.
Maybe we'll know more tomorrow. How does a loving God
allow something like nine to eleven to happen? How does
a loving, sovereign, divine God allow Charlie Kirk to be
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taken in such a way? Well, lucky for you, our
economist is also a theologian. David Bonson is joining us,
and boy do we need you today, David. Good morning,
Good morning, Michael. You know this is one of those
questions that I know theologians have debated for you. I
tried to exegete it a little bit for the audience earlier.
We're living in a fallen world. This was not God's plan.
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Number one. Number two, free will is in play, because
it must be. I can't obey God. I can't truly
love God unless I have a free will. If if
my wife has to love me and my children have
to love me, well then that's not even love. It's
God's divine great purpose from an eternal position and perspective
that is often lost on us living here, and he
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shares in our suffering, and ultimately he's in control. And
ultimately there is victory. I kind of summed it up
this way. I have no doubt where Charlie is. He's
in the presence of God right now and living in
unspeakable joy. I do have some uncertain about where we're
headed here on earth without him, and who will fill
his shoes. But that age old argument for atheists, or
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theological debate, of how a loving God could allow such
a thing, How would you explain it to people?
Speaker 6 (07:00):
So I think a lot of the ways you just
summed it up are most helpful theologically. That we have
to understand that there is a divine purpose that is
incomprehensible to us as finite humans. We are the creation,
and He is the creator, and his ways are.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Not our ways.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
And that.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Sort of emotional contemplation is difficult theologically.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
It is certainly sound.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Sometimes what a theological sound is not super useful in
a particular emotional.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
Moment, because we are human beings.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
I think the issue of the atheists and the so
called problem of evil has always been the refutation of atheism,
not a theism, because there is no evil if there
isn't a divine God.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
The things that they lament, the destruction.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
In a nine to eleven, the murder of my friend
Charlie Kirk. These are not things that are wrong in
the atheist worldview. They only become wrong when the atheists,
which I'm very grateful most atheists do. But they only
become wrong when the atheist borrows from our worldview. When
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the atheist steps out of the claim that all of
this is matter by chance and by accident, which is,
of course, if it were true, completely devoid of any
moral implication, and kicking children would be like kicking stones if.
Speaker 7 (08:38):
It were true.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
But the atheist doesn't really believe it, and that's a
good thing. They borrow from the Christian worldview, which states
that there is a.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Right and wrong, and that right and wrong.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Is rooted absolutes and the only philosophical answer, which, again, Michael,
just allow me to say, please again. I know it
isn't emotionally sufficient. No, I know, we're human being we're
human beings. But philosophically, there isn't a problem of evil.
If an all powerful, all loving God has an all powerful,
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all loving reason for allowing evil to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
There is, and I don't know who to credit it to.
I brought it up twice today, but it was a meme,
and you know they don't always attribute it, but it's
the notion that we are not We're not humans having
spiritual experience. We are spirit beings having a temporary earthly experience,
I think. But what I love about that is it
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gives you the perspective and that's the difference between God.
I mean, God can certainly use this. I mean I
think of you know, the one thing I wanted to
warn all parents listening today is this is a big death.
I know. I have two twenty nearly twenty one year
olds and a nineteen year old. This is a JFK
big death for them. This is a big assassination. This
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is somebody that is greatly come to their rescue for
when they were trying to sort out what my parents
taught me versus what I'm hearing in this classroom. He
has pointed them to Christ, he has pointed them to marriage,
he has pointed them to parenthood. I mean, he has
been a huge influen. It's kind of like a JFK
MLK all wrapped in one. If you're not aware of that,
your kids are politically shaken, culturally shaken, and spiritually shaken.
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I need you to be parents today. So Number one,
I point out, it's a big death. Number two, if
I look at it just like, I can live divinely today,
or I can live michael ly, I can live eternally
minded today, or I can live very in the moment
in Michael Ley. When I live in myself, I get angry.
Nobody had a right to take that husband. Nobody had
a right to take that father. No one had a
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right to take that leader. No one had a right
to take that sacred life. That's right and that's wrong.
But not enough of us live divinely and eternally minded
enough to know that this God is in control. This
is a time to draw close to God, embrace him
and trust him. He will use this for greater good.
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And I want to do it in a really earthly
way and say the way. My kids are now going
back and watching the same videos that influenced him the
first time. They're seeing it in a different way now
that he's been taken. And it could it goes back
to when Jesus said, greater things shall you do? Because
I go to the Father. Not many of us are
doing greater things than Christ did, but it's possible and
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it's possible in this too, So I guess it's all
a matter of whether you look at it eternally or earthly. Right, Well,
that's exactly right.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
And I don't disagree at all about the idea that
we have an eternal soul that can never die. But
you know, we're also not atonic. We don't believe that
the soul is that a material realm that is superior
to the physical. Christ came in Christ's incarnate, became in
bodily flesh, fully God and fully man. And what we
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experience as physical embodying people matters. God cares about our bodies,
and we will be resurrected from the dead someday in body.
We will be given a new body. So what we
deal with in the physical realm matters. And yet the
spiritual destiny, and where Charlie is today in heaven we
rest this is of course our destiny. And so all
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these things are true at once, and sometimes they involve
great pain, and a lot of times they can bring.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Us great peace.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
And somehow we have to reconcile those two things.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
By the way, David Bonson as an economist, he's also
lucky for us today at theologian. You know, you just
brought up something really big, and I don't even know
if we want to go there, the asleep in Christ
and then Jesus woul thief on the cross. You'll be
with me this day in paradise. The New Heaven is
not in existence yet. I mean, is it a dream?
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Is he asleep? Is it is asleep to the point
where just like when we sleep, and doesn't for like
nine hours past. Your next thought is that's ahole lot
of logical debate. All I was going to say is,
while it's refreshing to hear somebody that agrees with me,
by the way you worded it, probably not fruitful to
have that discussion right now. But whether it's paradise, whether
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it's in the presence of God in a sleep state
awaiting eternal work and fellowship with the Father, Charlie is
in a great place. The uncertainty now is how are
we without him? What is the proper way to handle
this loss? And what is the dangerous improper ways to
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handle it?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
That you see, well, certainly the dangerous and improper way
is to be like them, to be like murderous, poisonous, toxic,
hateful people that want to settle political disagreement with rifles
instead of with.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Debate and argument.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
And one thing I'll say about Charlie, he and I
disagreed on a lot of things, and he was one
of the most civil, cordial, charitable people to disagree with
I've ever encountered. He also, I don't say this a
lot of people about a lot of people, Michael, because
I think I'm a pretty good debater. Charlie was incredibly
Charlie was incredibly prepared, intentional, thoughtful.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
You know, I'm I feel like an old man now.
Charlie was thirty one.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Throughout his twenties, he had a confidence and a preparation
and a strategic way of thinking that we all should envy.
I haven't. I've been around a little while now, I
haven't met two people in my life as articulate and
rhetorically prepared, with eloquence and you know, just sort of
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that ability to discuss things coachingly as I have Charlie.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
And I say that even when on occasion I thought
he was.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Wrong, he and I and I don't know that the
right can replace that very easily. We underestimate how important
it is to present our arguments well Yes, Charlie did
not die.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
He did not die.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Shooting at people he disagreed with. He died presenting the
truth in a public forum. Because Charlie believed in the
liberal society. He believed in the free society, he believed
in the freedoms of the Bill of Rights, and the
people who took his life did not.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, and there's something Joseph like him in that, here's
a guy that doesn't go to college, doesn't He wanted
to go to the to West Point, didn't get in,
and then goes to probably be one of the most
revolutionary people on college campus. So and spared the indoctrination
of it. There there's an amazing twist. But there's no
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question that he was fearfully, wonderfully made and purposed by God,
and his fate is certain. All of our hearts are
broken for his two children, his wife, and I pray
for us because we need another Charlie Kirk in a hurry,
or we need all those that followed him to do
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greater things. Now that Charlie's gone home to be with
the Lord. Great words, David, God bless you, my friend,
Love you with all my heart. God bless.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
This is your Morning Show with Michael Dale. Chuno quick
turn around here when we come back.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I want to It's amazing how life can change on
a dime and rarely even give you a Nichols change.
I thought I'd be doing a you know, nine to
eleven remembrance address, turns out to be a Charlie Kirk
one on one with you. The God is the same
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and the perspective is the same. Let's have some human
moments together next on your morning show.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
This is Devia Morris from our little town of Franklin, Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
My morning show is Morning Show with Michael Dale.
Speaker 8 (17:02):
Jorneo.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Hey, it's Michael reminding you that your morning show can
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Speaker 3 (17:24):
We're grateful you're here now. Enjoy the podcast. Thursday September
the eleventh year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, the
twenty fourth anniversary of the terror attacks of nine to eleven.
President has plans today for commemorating ceremonies. The Vice President
and the second Lady will be headed to be with
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Charlie Kirk's family. The President will wrap up the twenty
fourth anniversary at the Yankees game later on. And what
a symbolic moment that was after nine to eleven with
George W. Bush at a Yankees game. And the manhunt
is still underway for the person who shot and killed
Charlie Kirk. It looks to me like a professional hit
job and therefore maybe difficult to ever find out who
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actually pulled this trigger or who ordered it, if that
be the case. More on that coming up. I really
wanted today. I said this at the very beginning of
the show. I don't compete against other radio people or stations.
We have our morning family, and I want our family
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to be a family of prayer, because that's the living
God that can take action today and somehow, as impossible
as it seems, begin to protect those two children and
comfort that wife who lost her husband. So I want
us to be a praying show. If there were any ratings,
I hope our ratings show that we were number one
in listeners who actually didn't get online and debate, didn't
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fear monger or hate or anything else, but prayed and
prayed for God's protection on this family and comfort and healing.
And then I wanted us to be a show that
lets you talk, because it's your morning show and we
can't have it without your voice. And I think there's
some comfort and peace in allowing you to speak as well.
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So I want to do that real quick. And then
I want to share an important email, and then I
want to share an important one on one time together
because this needs to be politically, culturally, and spiritually put
into perspective. And that much we will do at the
kitchen table this morning. Let's start with Woody in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I still have a pit in my stomach over this assassination.
There's definitely evil loose in the world, and unfortunately, according
to revelations, it will get worse.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
But the hope and.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Promise is the day Christ returns, punishes the evil and
makes things right.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Amen, Bryce in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
I think one of the greatest gifts that Charlie Kirk
gave us. He taught us how to love our enemy,
how to respect them, and how to have a conversation
in respect when people did disagree with you, and to
respect them. I think he demonstrate loving your enemy one
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of the best ways.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
He was driven. I mean, this is a man that
was as a child eighteen and started this. He wanted
to be the next Rush Limbaugh, meaning an influence, and
didn't believe radio was the place. Oh he would do radio,
he would do television. He thought it needed to be
for his generation, more personable in person. I think it's
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interesting for a guy who never went to college, he
shaped and influences campuses more than anybody in history. And
we don't glorify people in death beyond what they were
in life. This was a faithful servant who loved God,
loved his wife, loved his children, loved his country, and
loved the youthful generation and was pointing them to the cross,
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pointing them to the Constitution, pointing them to the Declaration
of Independence, pointing them to marriage and family and children,
and was having a tremendous influence for our kids. This
is a JFK MLK death and rise to that as parents.
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This is huge. I'm gonna address that more in a moment,
but you're right to point out you would honor his
example in the way he lived. Valerie next listening to
WLAC in Nashville.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Good morning, Michael. It's a rough day for all of us.
But I work in higher education where we keep our
beliefs to ourselves because we need to get by waiting
for the message from administration telling students where they can
get counseling if necessary. But it hasn't come yet. When
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the Supreme Court reversed the abortion bill, that came pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Does anybody need to add any words to what Valerie saying?
I don't. I can tell you this. That's a big omission,
and it's not one that took Charlie by surprise to
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look at that place and go, man, you got to
have more security in that. You can't have all those buildings.
He knew the risks every time he went on a campus.
He chose to go into the den of hatred and
to have spirited, loving debate. And what his life proves
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is he overcame the very sighted indoctrination that Valerie's pointing to,
because I'm telling you he reached a generation and he
overcame the intelligencies indoctrination. And so whether they continue to
play their old games or not, sure you're right to
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reveal it. But that's part of what we should be
thanking God for in the work he did through Charlie. Wow,
that's stunningly revealing. Valerie James in Youngstown.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Michael, all I can say is it was the divine
providence that you weren't on vacation this week instead of
last week, because your listeners certainly need your perspective, your compassion,
your Christian love, and your hope for the future in
spite of this tragedy.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You're going to say, but not about me, Perry Ashville,
but thank you so much.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
Hesitate to say rest in peace when someone passes away,
because if they don't know Jesus Christ, you know Jesus
Christ as a personal savior, they're not resting in peace.
I feel at peace and saying rest in peace. Missioner Kirk,
you were a good and faithful servant.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Love your brother. Oh, thank you beautifully stated. All right,
let's have a little one on one time. I reacted
immediately as a parent for two reasons. One, I see
Charlie Kirk first and foremost as a brother in christ
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eternal family. Secondly, as a loving husband and a wonderful father,
And so my heart immediately went to the young wife
and to the two children that will never have their father.
That's a parent's perspective, you know. I think often as
a parent now I used to think only as a child.
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I wonder sometimes if my parents, when I was a
child fought as I think as a parent, and they've
never said it to me, So my guess is no.
But I would ask them, are they aware of how
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thankful to God they should be? For Josh McDowell, for
Charles Finney, for Leonard Ravenhill, for Watchman Knee, for Keith Green,
for David Wilkerson, and specifically to Frank Lauria. As a
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parent today, I lay in bed every night and in
my flesh I worry, and in my spirit I cry
out to God, protect my children, Draw them to you.
May they have a heart for you. May they live
for you. May they know you, May they love you.
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May they influence others. May they live not just eternally,
but abundantly. While on earth. I beg Him, I cry
out to Him. It is in the flesh my greatest worry,
and it is in my spirit my greatest prayer. It
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should have been my parents. And if it was, these
were all their answers had they prayed. These were their answers,
even though they didn't pray it. But now I think
like a parent preparing to deliver a nine to eleven
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address on the twenty fourth anniversary, I get the news flash,
Charlie Kirk has been shot. My first thought is, okay,
but you gotta live. Then I saw the video, the
faraway video, and I thought Kennedy would have survived the neck.
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You might be alive, Dear God. When I saw the
close up video, I knew he was gone and it'd
be confirmed in three hours. But again, my initial thought
was as a parent, because I can tell you remember
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what I said at the beginning of the show, Let's
not forget to thank God for his nature, his divinity,
his sovereignty, and his purpose in Charlie Kirk's life. And
let me make this very clear, I'm thanking him as
a father though I've never met him. Was getting ready to,
and had I it would have been the first words
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out of my mouth. All I could do is live
as an example and love my children. But I don't
know that I reached him any more than my parents
could have reached me, Not the way Frank Gloria did
not the way Josh McDonell did.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
So.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
As a father, I have an eternal gratitude and debt
to Charlie Kirk. I've said a million times this morning, parents,
wake up, if you haven't already. This is a huge death.
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I had one daughter so upset she drove home from college.
The other hadn't been able to get to yet, and
I know how shaken she is. And they're shaken in
all areas. One of the most influential people of their
young life was just killed, and they had to watch
it graphically. The Zuppruterer film was grainy and we didn't
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see it for a long time. This they saw instantly,
in a sense, they loved him the way I loved
Frank Lauria. They loved him the way I loved Josh McDowell,
Leonard Ravenhill, Charles Finney, David Wilkerson. This is devastating. I'm
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just trying to use terms older people can understand. This
is like when JFK got shot. You need to be
aware and parent accordingly. But this isn't a time to hate.
This isn't a time to divide further. It may go
that way, and it may likely go that way. This
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is the time to lock and load faith, lock and
load love, and not forget to thank God for the
work he did through Charlie Kirk. And I'm just one
parent sitting here this morning, looking you in the eye
and say I have a debt to this man, and
when I get to heaven, I'm going to thank him
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because when my kids were in the kind of classrooms
of valories describing in that call, Charlie Kirk reached them,
and he reached them in love, in Christ and in
great eloquent debate and reassured everything I instilled in them,
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shot down everything they were hearing in class. Did he
politically activate a lot of people? Yes, we go through
the polls all the time. You keep hearing me how
many times tell you there's something different about this young generation,
(31:00):
so much so it scares me because the last time
a generation was this different was the generation of the
Depression that would have to be and sacrificially used to
liberate the world. God has raised up an amazing generation,
probably for a pretty scary time or for a great
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time of awakening and revival. And I don't know which yet,
But if I start looking for human names that have
gone and done the impossible. These are the great gray
areas that none of us can seem to solve. A
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Donald Trump has taken out the media. Journalism is dead.
It no longer sets the narrative and has influence. Nobody
has solved the matrix. Nobody has solved the social dilemma
or the wild, wild, out of control West. I asked
David Zanadia question this morning that I knew was going
to blow his mind. It was unfair do live on
the air, but somebody had to do it for effect.
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If it was eighteen fifty and you had ten years
to keep the civil war from happening, well good luck.
I never could solve that, and we didn't and we
had it. And if we're on the brink of another
civil war, how do we stop it? And then I
asked David the question, imagine it's eighteen fifty and you
have the internet in social media. You should have seen
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a look on his face. This is a very troubling, dark,
uncertain time. And to Charlie's namesake, turning point. It's a
turning point towards civility or towards further violence and closer
to civil war. But right now is a time to
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pray for his wife, Erica, and his two children. Pray
for law enforcement. Maybe we can't find who did it,
but we can find who ordered it, because there's no
question in my mind this was a professional hit. But
I will not sit here on this day and as
a parent not thank God for using Charlie Kirk to
reach my children in the way. Josh McDowell reached me,
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Charles Finny reached me, Leonard Ravenhill reached me, Watchman Nee
reached me, Keith Green reached me, David Wilkerson reached me,
and Frank Gloria led me. Don't forget to thank God
for him and the same God that worked through Charlie,
it's probably going to work through thousands of those he reached,
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or at least that's my prayer and what turns out
to be a Charlie Kirk address nine to eleven address, sad,
sad day.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
It's your morning show with Michael del Chorno.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
I'm going to take the final salans dead. He very
sincere brother has been taken and shouldn't have been. There'll
be justice eternally. He'll be justice in heaven. There is
for Charlie. Right now every time the enemy tries to
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sucker you into fear, resist him. He'll flee. Every time
you seek to aggravate yourself on social media with the
hate and the vitriol of a few that just appears
to be many, or resist the urge, take a day
or two off when either of those temptations happen. Stop
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and pray for Charlie's wife. Stop and pray for Charlie's children.
Stop and pray for turning point that God will make
clear the next person to continue that movement forward and
reach kids the way he reached them through Charlie. And ultimately,
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pray for us because this adds to a political cultural uncertainty.
But don't let it shake your spirit or your confidence
in a divine, sovereign God who's very much in control
and he knows where this is going. Walking load and loved,
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and go in peace and cherish your life. God, rest
Charlie Kirk this peace, fre eternity, and we'll see him
again soon. Thanks for joining us. We'll see in the
morning for the next Joe Morning Show.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
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