September 23, 2025 • 36 mins
European countries are calling for a two-state solution again. Lieutenant Colonel James Carafano joins us to discuss why this solution is back and why anyone thinks it would work now.
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Well European countries are among others calling for the two
state solution again. Lieutenant Colonel James Carafano joins us back
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from touring the world to discuss if this were a solution,
it would have been solved by now. All right, problems
with the two state solution, they're just they've all gone away.
It's such a good idea.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, you know, problem number one is, you know who
is going to go in the state, right, there's no
legitimate authority in Gaza at all, and you know the
West Bank is a fraction of it and the p
l A have no authority, so in the West in Gaza,
so so you can't, you know, they'd be like declaring
(02:19):
Antarctica a state. Nobody can govern it, so you know, but.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Actually, actually it's worse than that because it's within Israel,
and whoever is going to represent this Palestinian state and
this two state solution is probably not going to recognize
Israel's right to exist as the borders are within Israel.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Giving look, the fundamental problem with the two state solution
has always been, if you could magically create a state,
what would it look like. It would be a sworn
enemy of Israel, It would be a surroga, the world's
most aggressive terrorist state. It would be thoroughly corrupt and
(03:06):
completely exploit its own people, and it would have no freedom,
political freedoms whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
So that sounded like the regime that we you know,
there's not book got rid of.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
In Syria, which everybody, which by the way, everybody in
the air world hated. And then why would they want
to create another regime exactly.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Like that in the middle of Israel. That makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
So all right, I said to Roy o'nima, we were
talking about it. All these countries are on board now
with a two state solution. Do they have any idea
who would run it? And they don't. How could it
be for something you don't know?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You know, it's like the people that dress up like.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Baltimore and go to these uh, you know conferences. You know,
it's a coast play, right, it's let's pretend that we're
let's pretend that we're diplomats, right, so they know it's
a declaration which has absolutely no enforcement at all. And
the better question is why are they doing this? And
(04:05):
this is the scary part, right. Some of it's because
it's become extreme left wing politics to demonize.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Israel, and some of it is because.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They have populations in their countries which are immigrant populations
that are not assimilating, that essentially want the politics of
Europe to look like the politics of Beirut.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
You know that Probably the most.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Start thing is, you know, Italy staunchly just refused to
do this. And we have Muslim immigrants in Milan writing
against the government.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
All right, So Lieutenant Colonel James Carafinal joining us in
the two state solutions. So why all of a sudden
is it back up leftist forces on the ground, not
the least of which are radical Islamist immigrants who by
the way, don't only want to have a state withinside Israel.
I'm suspecting they're going to want to have a state
within Europe. But because the truth is, this is what
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they do. They infiltrate, they agitate, they occupy, and then
they defeat. So that's an angel. Is there a way
out of this? Is there a solution that hasn't been
put on the table, that isn't ready shoot aim anywhere?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, look, I mean I think the Israelis have already
decided on their path, which is they are going to
purge Himas from Gaza and then you know, they will
make sure that when Gaza is rebuilt, it won't become
another Gaza run by Hamas.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
And that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And the rest of the world's going to watch and
do nothing, hopefully right, No.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I mean they're going to do nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
First of all, the rest of the Middle East really
doesn't give care about Palestine. They want to move on
with normalizing relations with Israel, doing business with Europe, in Asia,
with isolating Iran. That's their future.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I mean, this is this is not a Middle East problem,
This is.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
A Europe problem. This is an Australia problem. This is
weak Western governments all over the world trying to be
relevant by doing something that's incredibly not relevant. So it's
it's it's the it's the global lefts I think dying
last gasp, to be honest with you, and what it
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should do is, once and for all, we could forget
about this idea of.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Somehow Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Or somebody else threatened this perfect rules based order which
never existed, because if there was a rules based order,
you wouldn't have Russia invading Ukraine, you wouldn't have China
threatening Iran, you wouldn't have states defying the rules of
the international order to recognize a terrorist state. So we
can just put that one to bed, and uh and
(06:54):
literally with every other kind of fiction of globalization. It
it's all gonna die, you know, in a decade. In
a decade, people will look back and they will look
at a green transition and credit Thunberg and recognizing gods
and all these other things, and they go, what the
heck are we thinking's It'll be like it'll be like
seventies disco from your lips.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
To God, would admit they ever actually thought.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
It was a good idea.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Two questions should the president address this and how should
he today at the UN?
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Absolutely, and he should just you know, say what he believes,
which is this is this is not only is it
a fiction, it's incredibly unhelpful. You're you're actually cheerleading for
and then you can't Nobody believes the qualifiers. Oh, we
recognize the state of Palestine, but Amas is not part
of it, and they have to elections and be a
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democracy and have a Starbucks, you know, I mean nobody,
nobody listens to the qualifiers. Everybody sees this as an
affirmation for Hamas.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Which is nonsense.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Amas literally put kids in and started a war which
resulted in the destruction of their.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Own people, and people are cheerleading to let them have
a country. That's just nuts, all.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Right, James Carafinal joining us other topics for the UN,
not the least of which is the war with Russia
and Ukraine. You said a long time ago, and we're
coming up on a year. By the way, that the
enemy has to say that's always true, and that Putin
may choose to fight another year. Well, he's definitely doing that.
Any chance to fight longer, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I don't think we can.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
I don't think you.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Can sanction Russia out of this.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
War if they want to keep fighting it, particularly as
long as the Chinese are willing to support them. You know,
I've always said that US strategies should be based on
what are you going to do to protect your interest,
regardless of what Putin decides, because.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
You can't make him decide something, and I think Donald.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Trump's already made that decision. It is in US interest
to have a freeda independent Ukraine that and defend itself.
It's in US interest to have a NATO that can
send up to Russian aggression. He's already crossed that bridge.
So I get you know, when people raise Ukraine, I
just kind of rolled my eyes back. I say, I
don't want to talk about that anymore because I think
that's over and every day that Putin fights this week
(09:19):
in the day before, and it makes me happy.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
What about at home? How is the world reacting to
what they're seeing these divisions? I mean, America looks a
lot like nineteen sixty eight, only I don't see calmer
days on the horizon necessarily. What is the world making
of our divisions at home? One that led to such
a worldwide public assassination.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Can people forget that in nineteen sixty eight, the world
looked aliket like the United States. There were anti war
protests all over the world. There were civil rights.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Things, are revolutions in Africa.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
So you know, we all look at Oh, this is
some kind of this is an America problem.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
First of all, it's not an American problem.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Americans disagreeing over politics is what is the nature of
American democracy. So we're actually arguing with each other. That's
a sign of the health of democracy, not an illness.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Wow, until somebody's killed for it. I mean, we're not
just arguing, we're shooting.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But that's my point. The organized political violence is not
restricted to the United States.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
We've seen in other countries.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And you know we just saw writing, like I said,
in the lawn, So everybody is is kind of just
like in nineteen sixty eight, that the contagion is all
over the free world. So it's not just our problem.
And actually I think the American democracy is the most
resilting us.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
But well, here's what I will tell you, which is, since.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Charlie was murdered, I have heard from people all over
the world reach out to me and say, you know, sympathy, thoughts, caring.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
One guy send me a poemy road.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
The guy from Africa, from South Africa was inspired round.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
A po to me, a poem that he wrote about Charlie.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
So I think people around the world, you know, we
think of this again. The killing of Charlie is some
kind of a front two Americans. People all over the
world tell this, and we're not just more in Charlie,
but were inspired by his message and not just by
the politics. I think what people who are going to
remember Charlie Kirk for in a decade is not as
(11:24):
a political activist, as an evangelist.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No, I agree.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
For God who made it okay to be Christian and
public again.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, I agree. In nineteen sixty eight, Nixon made the
choice not to talk to the extreme right and left,
and this is before the Internet, but to talk to
the majority of America in the center. He also pledged
to end the Vietnam War. A lot of those things,
and the assassination of Robert Kennedy certainly played a role
in him winning. But I think Nixon's choice to talk
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to the center. I think the television era and seeing
it and the fatigue of seeing the hate and the
violence played a role in it. How did we get
out of it in sixty eight and any clues in
sixty eight how to get out of it now?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Well, I think the difference between.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Now and sixty eight is in the American center. The
American center has moved to Donald Trump. I mean, we
were a fifty to fifty country even as much as
a year ago. And what we were seeing is people,
you know, like the like in the movie where they
pick up their bags and they get in the kind
of Stoka wagons.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
And they go to Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You know, people are just getting up in their feet
and they're walking to the right.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
So that the right is.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Going to become the new center of American democracy.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And it's going to be the it's going to be
about eighty percent of the American people.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Again, I got nothing to add other than from your
lips to God's ears, it could certainly go that way,
and I bray it does good to have you back
in the country. James Carafano or Lieutenant Colonel, thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
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We did a journey of discovery on the revenue and
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Talk back? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Yeah, play it Hi Michael, you know that I'm struggling
with having mis hurt Trump and you know the enemies
comment you know, if they'll turn it on us and
all that, you know, But I have to admit I'm
at a point where I really, I really don't care.
I don't like the commentary. I don't like your commentary.
I don't like many people's commentary. I think it's just
(14:40):
aw something that you know, we need to just just
let this play out.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And I'm just really tired of it all well, and
that's part of what they're counting on. That's part of
what they know. The game is wearing you down first
and foremost. Just so you know, my goal is you
understand the hour in what you live in a way
you wouldn't know listening to anything else or just scrolling
on your phone, because scrolling on the phone is just
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going to take you on a drifting current of algorithms
and narrative. My number one goal is that we avoid
a civil war. Of all the wars that was the
no winner, and this one would just be something simply
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we wouldn't want to live through. So that's number one,
avoid a civil war. Number two that we heal in
Unite number three, that the American people take their government
back from elected officials or whoever in the dark shadows
is really running all of this because they're getting rich
and we're getting poor, and they're benefiting from our fighting.
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There is a scripture in Matthew chapter ten, starting in
verse sixteen. I'm sending you out like sheep among wolves.
Therefore be shrewd, shrewd as snakes, and is innocent as tubs.
Be on your guard. You will be handed over to
the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. And
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on my account, you will be brought before governments and
kings as witnesses to them and to the gentiles. But
when they arrest you do not worry about what to
say and how to say it. At that time you
will be given what to say. That's what we need
to be praying, That's how we need to be living.
There are certain things we need to be aware of
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so that we don't feed it on a silver platter.
But it's not the end of the world. I just
wanted to make the point. I told you they would
do it, and they're doing it. Charlie Kirk's not the
victim Trumps the tyrant and we're the victim. Jimmy Kimmel's
the victim.
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Roy O'Neil is our your morning show national correspondent. Let's see.
Jimmy Kimmel is back tonight, but not for thirty ABC
affiliates that are owned by Sinclair, but still right on
(18:19):
the mast. What do you pint him on the app?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
What what's your best guess as far as what he does?
Do you think he acknowledges it and apologizes?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Do you think he doubles down or do you think
he just moves right on.
Speaker 10 (18:33):
I think he's going to acknowledge it. I think he's
going to sort of apologize and then move on.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I said, we spoke earlier.
Speaker 10 (18:40):
I think the real issue is, you know, what's the
long term future of the show. And when I say
long term, I need six months, you know, because Kimmel's
contract is up in the new year, whether or not
ABC wants to continue with late night programming. You know,
CBS is giving up the ghost. So let's see if
anyone else wants to follow that. And if it's profitable
(19:01):
in twenty twenty five, Well, it's.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Not profitable in twenty five for the whole Late Night
Pie in twenty eighteen, which is not long ago. I mean,
that's really just seven years ago. They were all splitting
up four hundred and thirty nine million dollars. Now it's
down to two hundred million, and Jimmy Kimmel's portion at
best is seventy million dollars, and his salary and incentives
(19:24):
come to twenty four million. You can't have the host
of alone take up one third of all your revenue,
I mean, and this is the problem for late night
talk in general. There's the audience is gone. It's lost
seventy forty eighty percent of its audience. It's not there.
You went over a lot of the reasons why. And
you just can't do big, expensive productions like this. You're right,
(19:46):
murder she wrote, or her Frazier or something like that,
the game show, or you know, dig up Tom Sniner
and just sit there with an interview show with two
chairs and two microphones and be done with it. So
what's the mouse? What's the mouse going to do with
all these angry people in Hollywood's six months from now
when they get rid of the show.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
Well, a lot of the affiliates like Sinclair like Next Star.
You know, they want the hour back, they'd rather give
it to their local programming. So they extend the quote
unquote news, which is just a lot more weather essentially,
and filler programming that you know, local stations now do
what like sixteen hours of news a debt. It's ridiculous
(20:22):
the amount of stuff they went out there. But yeah,
it's going to be that kind of fill in programming
back perhaps and turn it.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Back over to the local stations. Jimmy Kimmel didn't get fired.
All of late night television got canceled by all of
the above. That everybody's moved on. It's just not a watchable,
winnable thing any longer. And it's not just Jimmy Kimmel
that's failing. Television is failing, and radio better be careful
(20:52):
as well. All Right, this guy, he was the second
assassin of Donald Trump, who didn't get a shot off,
and now he's defended himself. I can only imagine how
that's going.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Yeah, and he's about to give his closing statement. By
the way, at the courtroom they are in South Florida.
This is a federal trial, which is why it really
hasn't made too much news because no cameras, no microphones.
But this guy has been defending himself, not doing a
great job of it. He called three witnesses, one of
them a firearms expert who essentially contradicted what he was
trying to say, and then two character witnesses who sentially said,
(21:27):
oh no, we can't imagine you doing this Ryan at all. Now,
this fifty nine year old could be getting life in
prison if found guilty. But this is going to start
to go pretty fat. Closing arguments by the prosecution and
defense today, jury's instructions and then they're off to deliberate.
We could be getting a verdict before today is done.
Roy O'Neil covering our top stories today. Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Rie.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
We'll talk again tomorrow. If you are just waking up.
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It's going to work out, all right. Kamala Harris came
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That'll provide us with some entertainment. Kamala says that the
twenty twenty four election, in which she lost every single
swing state as well as the popular vote, ended up
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being the closest presidential election of the twenty first century.
Speaker 12 (22:36):
Listen, sitting vice president enters the race against a former
president of the United States, has been running for ten
years with one hundred and seven days to go, and
it ended up being the closest presidential election in the
twenty first century.
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And the sitting all for five with swing states. Then
there's addressing the communist tyrant dictator. I said this jokingly twice.
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I used to be alive in America in a time
where if a former vice president and a former presidential
candidate called a sitting president a communist when clearly he's
a capitalist, a tyrant, and right after an assassination, he
having survived two assassinations, that name calling would be the story.
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But that's just not America anymore, and that's just not
Mama La Kamala.
Speaker 12 (23:46):
And right now we are dealing with, as I called
him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
We used to.
Speaker 12 (23:56):
Compare the strength of our democracy to communist. That's what
we're dealing with right now. Donald Trump and these titans
of industry are not speaking, and perhaps it is because
his threats and the way he has used the weight
of the federal government to take out vengeance on his
(24:21):
critics is something that they fear, and I get that.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I understand why they do.
Speaker 12 (24:25):
We've seen the demonstration of it.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Not that they've ever done any of that. I like
this section. This was my favorite. Here's Rachel Maddow going
to ask the tough, tough questions of Mamala Kamala Lissa.
Speaker 13 (24:43):
About the I think the point of the part of
your book that has people most thus far, which is
some of your writing about the decision around the president
abandoning his reelection campaign. Timing there and how it's handled.
You say in part page forty six, it's Joe and
(25:04):
Jill's decision. We all said that like a mantra, as
if we'd all been hypnotized. Was it grace or was
it recklessness? In retrospect, I think it was recklessness. The
stakes were simply too high. This wasn't a choice that
should have been left to an individual's ego and individual's ambition.
It should have been more than a personal decision.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
How different is that from when she gave the testimony
of the call I got the call I was.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Making breakfast for mama, Mama the I'm making breakfast product,
and then he gave me the call.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Now in retrospect, it's recklessness. Let's see how she taps
out of this.
Speaker 13 (25:45):
Whose decision should that have been? How should that decision
have been made?
Speaker 12 (25:50):
So when I write this, it's because I realize that
I have and had a certain responsibility that I should
have followed through on, which is and so when I
talk about the recklessness, as much as anything.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I'm talking about myself.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
There was so much from the.
Speaker 12 (26:15):
State, and as I write, you know where my head
was at at the time is that it would be
completely it would come off as being completely self serving.
Speaker 13 (26:26):
If you said to President Biden if you did not
think you should.
Speaker 12 (26:29):
Run again, yeah, or even that he should question whether
it's a good idea. But I think that you know,
one of the reasons I wrote this book, Rachel, is
there are actually a number of reasons. One is one
that it is unprecedented. Right to your point of what
you said in your opening, we had a president of
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the United States running for re election three and a
half months from the election, decides not to run. The
sitting vice president enters. The race against a former president
of the United States has been running for ten years,
with one hundred and seven days to go.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I guess that's one way to remember it. Another way
to remember it was a shadow campaign was admitted to
to weaponize COVID change election laws, harvest ballots, and steal
an election. A deal was cut. You were the first
of the primary opponents eliminated, and Bernie Sanders was going
(27:34):
to get the Democratic nomination for President of the United
States again, just as he would have over Hillary if
the DNC didn't get involved. So they got involved in
South Carolina and cut a deal for Old Joe, Old
Joe who was fourth in Iowa, seventh in New Hampshire. You,
who were the first knocked out.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Of the race because you came across angry, nasty, and unfrettedly,
and then orchestrate a ticket with both of you.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Because you brought so much as a California Senator to
the electoral college map. No, you were the uniting of
the Clinton apparatus, and he was the uniting of the
Obama apparatus, and then you hid a fake president for
four years and you couldn't orchestrate the parachute out. Then,
(28:27):
like a bumbling fool, you write all this in your book.
Were you a wreck or a lying operative? I pray
America can figure that out. Here's Jasmine Crockett making a
bold statement, like we live in a time where there
(28:50):
isn't evidence all around us to the contract.
Speaker 11 (28:53):
So don't get mad that I speak the truth and
I speak facts. But I literally have never said anything
to him violence. And I challenge somebody to go and
find a clip of a Democrat invoking violence.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
A clip of a democrat invoking violence. That's the challenge.
All right, let's see what we can do here.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
I mean, like this dude has to.
Speaker 11 (29:16):
Be knots over the head, like hard right, like there
is no.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Niceties with him.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
But this is a war. This isn't a battle, and
we absolutely will win this war.
Speaker 12 (29:28):
It is a war.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
It is indeed a war, and I have to say
they have won some battles, Jasmine, but we have to
keep our eye on the war.
Speaker 13 (29:34):
And then everybody needs to pick up a weapon and
get involved.
Speaker 11 (29:38):
The violence doesn't come from democrats just to be clear.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It is maga. It's specifically maga affection, like please rise
for a moment of prayer for Charlie Kirk and his family.
By the way, I could go on for another three
and a half minutes. Now, this was a key moment
at the White House yesterday. You need to something that
the President said is a non guar addressed. We never
again will the immense power of the state you weaponize
(30:04):
the person kid political opponents and do not allow that
to happen.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Is the President going back on his promise?
Speaker 14 (30:11):
No, In fact, the President is fulfilling his promise to
restore a Department of Justice that demands accountability. And it
is not weaponizing the Department of Justice to demand accountability
for those who weaponize the Department of Justice. And nobody
knows what that looks like more than President Trump. We
are not going to tolerate gas lighting from anyone in
(30:33):
the media or from anyone on the other side who
is trying to say that it's the president who is
weaponizing the DOJ. It was Joe Biden and his Attorney
general who weaponized the DOJ. Joe Biden used this sacred
American institution to go after his political opponent in the
middle of an election year, and you look at people
like Adam Schiff and like James Comey, and like Letitia James,
(30:55):
who the President is rightfully frustrated. He wants accountability for
these corrupt fraudsters who abuse their power, who abuse their
oath of office.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Of course, all of this is news to the media,
who didn't cover it the first time. The Washington Post
Kirk's memorial was an emblem of the Trump era, a
sign of what is ahead. The events showed how the
line that used to separate religion and politics may no
longer exist, particularly for the right. Fox headline Harris calls
(31:27):
Trump a tyrant, lamb based, effeckless CEOs my favorite The
Atlantic a most profound transgression. In demanding that Attorney general
go after his enemies, Donald Trump is upending fundamental norms
(31:48):
of fairness and neutrality in the American system, completely ignoring
what the Biden administration did to him. We detailed all
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Speaker 7 (33:17):
Today, It's your Morning Show with Michael del journo.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I thought Kamala Harris quote was going to be my
favorite when she said I just couldn't put, couldn't ask,
I couldn't demand any more of the American people. I mean,
I really want to Pete Bodhagic to be my running mate,
but he's gay, and I already asked them for too
much to consider a woman, a black woman married to
a Jewish man, and then add a gay that's just
too much to ask of the American people. That reveals
(33:45):
her view of the American people. She finds the American
people sexist, racist, anti Semitic, homophobic, and it's what they
preach every day, so it shouldn't shock me, but it's
very revealing. Same thing with Christian Chenowith. This story just
(34:09):
passed me in the sea of voices and stories, but
it just stuck. Here's People Magazine. Christian Chenowith defends reaction
to Charlie Kirk's death. Just to defend her reaction to
the death while acknowledging it hurt some folks in the
LGBT community. Some folks in the LGBT community got hurt,
(34:30):
Charlie got killed, So I'm thinking, where is this going
Christian Chenowith is having a human moment of reflection. The
heck is that a human moment of reflection following her
immediate reaction to the death of Charlie Kirk. Speaking to
n Y one in a news interview, the fifty seven
(34:54):
year old addressed the controversy over a recent post on
her Instagram, and I'm thinking what was post? That she
was upset after right wing political commentator, not husband, not father,
not smart, not courageous, not cordial, right wing political commentator
(35:17):
was fatally shot. He was murdered. Here's what she posted.
Didn't always agree, but appreciated some perspectives. What a heartbreak
is young family. I know where he is now heaven,
But still I saw what happened with my own eyes
online and I had a human moment of reflection seeing
(35:39):
the response to her reaction over the death of Kirk,
who repeated anti LGBTQ and anti women talking points. That's
an accusation I've always, you know, made it no secret
that I'm a Christian and I'm a person of faith.
It's also no secret that I'm an advocate for LGPTQ plus,
(36:00):
and I know some fans were hurt by this statement.
She's retracting her statement. Does this silently suggest that to
the LGBT community plus, this was a good kill and
to be shocked and horrified is in a reaction you
(36:21):
should apologize for. Maybe Christian chennow with should revisit this
trying to conflate LGBTQ plus and Christianity. Wow, And with that,
I'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
Seven minutes after the hour, go morning. I don't know
how we're gonna do this. We gotta get sounds of
the day. Yet, Kamala was back with Rachel Maddow. That's
a couple of doozies. I'm still not quite over her
last quote. I wanted Pete, but it was just asking
too much of the American people. First a woman, a
woman of color, married to a Jew, and then add
a gay I mean, pretty critical of the American people
(00:58):
that that would be, I guess than her view the
American people, not her. The American people are very sexy.
It's very greatly smarter, very anti Semitic, and very homophobic.
But she has a couple of doozies. I want to
get to sounds of the day. We also have Roy
O'Neil on the second assassin of Donald Trump, who's representing
(01:19):
himself in court, and I want to get to Angela's call.
Jimmy Kimmel will be coming back, but not on thirty Sinclair,
ABC Affiliates and Lions with an impressive road win Monday
Night Football thirty eight to thirty over the Baltimore Ravens.
Well European countries are among others calling for the two
state solution again. Lieutenant Colonel James Carafano joins us back
(01:40):
from touring the world to discuss if this were a solution,
it would have been solved by now. All right, problems
with the two state solution, they're just they've all gone away.
It's such a good idea.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, you know, problem number one is, you know who
is going to go in the state, right, there's no
legitimate authority in Gaza at all, and you know the
West Bank is a fraction of it and the p
l A have no authority, so in the West in Gaza,
so so you can't, you know, they'd be like declaring
(02:19):
Antarctica a state. Nobody can govern it, so you know, but.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Actually, actually it's worse than that because it's within Israel,
and whoever is going to represent this Palestinian state and
this two state solution is probably not going to recognize
Israel's right to exist as the borders are within Israel.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Giving look, the fundamental problem with the two state solution
has always been, if you could magically create a state,
what would it look like. It would be a sworn
enemy of Israel, It would be a surroga, the world's
most aggressive terrorist state. It would be thoroughly corrupt and
(03:06):
completely exploit its own people, and it would have no freedom,
political freedoms whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
So that sounded like the regime that we you know,
there's not book got rid of.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
In Syria, which everybody, which by the way, everybody in
the air world hated. And then why would they want
to create another regime exactly.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Like that in the middle of Israel. That makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
So all right, I said to Roy o'nima, we were
talking about it. All these countries are on board now
with a two state solution. Do they have any idea
who would run it? And they don't. How could it
be for something you don't know?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You know, it's like the people that dress up like.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Baltimore and go to these uh, you know conferences. You know,
it's a coast play, right, it's let's pretend that we're
let's pretend that we're diplomats, right, so they know it's
a declaration which has absolutely no enforcement at all. And
the better question is why are they doing this? And
(04:05):
this is the scary part, right. Some of it's because
it's become extreme left wing politics to demonize.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Israel, and some of it is because.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They have populations in their countries which are immigrant populations
that are not assimilating, that essentially want the politics of
Europe to look like the politics of Beirut.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
You know that Probably the most.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Start thing is, you know, Italy staunchly just refused to
do this. And we have Muslim immigrants in Milan writing
against the government.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
All right, So Lieutenant Colonel James Carafinal joining us in
the two state solutions. So why all of a sudden
is it back up leftist forces on the ground, not
the least of which are radical Islamist immigrants who by
the way, don't only want to have a state withinside Israel.
I'm suspecting they're going to want to have a state
within Europe. But because the truth is, this is what
(05:02):
they do. They infiltrate, they agitate, they occupy, and then
they defeat. So that's an angel. Is there a way
out of this? Is there a solution that hasn't been
put on the table, that isn't ready shoot aim anywhere?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, look, I mean I think the Israelis have already
decided on their path, which is they are going to
purge Himas from Gaza and then you know, they will
make sure that when Gaza is rebuilt, it won't become
another Gaza run by Hamas.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
And that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And the rest of the world's going to watch and
do nothing, hopefully right, No.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I mean they're going to do nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
First of all, the rest of the Middle East really
doesn't give care about Palestine. They want to move on
with normalizing relations with Israel, doing business with Europe, in Asia,
with isolating Iran. That's their future.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I mean, this is this is not a Middle East problem,
This is.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
A Europe problem. This is an Australia problem. This is
weak Western governments all over the world trying to be
relevant by doing something that's incredibly not relevant. So it's
it's it's the it's the global lefts I think dying
last gasp, to be honest with you, and what it
(06:23):
should do is, once and for all, we could forget
about this idea of.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Somehow Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Or somebody else threatened this perfect rules based order which
never existed, because if there was a rules based order,
you wouldn't have Russia invading Ukraine, you wouldn't have China
threatening Iran, you wouldn't have states defying the rules of
the international order to recognize a terrorist state. So we
can just put that one to bed, and uh and
(06:54):
literally with every other kind of fiction of globalization. It
it's all gonna die, you know, in a decade. In
a decade, people will look back and they will look
at a green transition and credit Thunberg and recognizing gods
and all these other things, and they go, what the
heck are we thinking's It'll be like it'll be like
seventies disco from your lips.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
To God, would admit they ever actually thought.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
It was a good idea.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Two questions should the president address this and how should
he today at the UN?
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Absolutely, and he should just you know, say what he believes,
which is this is this is not only is it
a fiction, it's incredibly unhelpful. You're you're actually cheerleading for
and then you can't Nobody believes the qualifiers. Oh, we
recognize the state of Palestine, but Amas is not part
of it, and they have to elections and be a
(07:46):
democracy and have a Starbucks, you know, I mean nobody,
nobody listens to the qualifiers. Everybody sees this as an
affirmation for Hamas.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Which is nonsense.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Amas literally put kids in and started a war which
resulted in the destruction of their.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Own people, and people are cheerleading to let them have
a country. That's just nuts, all.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Right, James Carafinal joining us other topics for the UN,
not the least of which is the war with Russia
and Ukraine. You said a long time ago, and we're
coming up on a year. By the way, that the
enemy has to say that's always true, and that Putin
may choose to fight another year. Well, he's definitely doing that.
Any chance to fight longer, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I don't think we can.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
I don't think you.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Can sanction Russia out of this.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
War if they want to keep fighting it, particularly as
long as the Chinese are willing to support them. You know,
I've always said that US strategies should be based on
what are you going to do to protect your interest,
regardless of what Putin decides, because.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
You can't make him decide something, and I think Donald.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Trump's already made that decision. It is in US interest
to have a freeda independent Ukraine that and defend itself.
It's in US interest to have a NATO that can
send up to Russian aggression. He's already crossed that bridge.
So I get you know, when people raise Ukraine, I
just kind of rolled my eyes back. I say, I
don't want to talk about that anymore because I think
that's over and every day that Putin fights this week
(09:19):
in the day before, and it makes me happy.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
What about at home? How is the world reacting to
what they're seeing these divisions? I mean, America looks a
lot like nineteen sixty eight, only I don't see calmer
days on the horizon necessarily. What is the world making
of our divisions at home? One that led to such
a worldwide public assassination.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Can people forget that in nineteen sixty eight, the world
looked aliket like the United States. There were anti war
protests all over the world. There were civil rights.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Things, are revolutions in Africa.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
So you know, we all look at Oh, this is
some kind of this is an America problem.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
First of all, it's not an American problem.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Americans disagreeing over politics is what is the nature of
American democracy. So we're actually arguing with each other. That's
a sign of the health of democracy, not an illness.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Wow, until somebody's killed for it. I mean, we're not
just arguing, we're shooting.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But that's my point. The organized political violence is not
restricted to the United States.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
We've seen in other countries.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And you know we just saw writing, like I said,
in the lawn, So everybody is is kind of just
like in nineteen sixty eight, that the contagion is all
over the free world. So it's not just our problem.
And actually I think the American democracy is the most
resilting us.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
But well, here's what I will tell you, which is, since.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Charlie was murdered, I have heard from people all over
the world reach out to me and say, you know, sympathy, thoughts, caring.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
One guy send me a poemy road.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
The guy from Africa, from South Africa was inspired round.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
A po to me, a poem that he wrote about Charlie.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
So I think people around the world, you know, we
think of this again. The killing of Charlie is some
kind of a front two Americans. People all over the
world tell this, and we're not just more in Charlie,
but were inspired by his message and not just by
the politics. I think what people who are going to
remember Charlie Kirk for in a decade is not as
(11:24):
a political activist, as an evangelist.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No, I agree.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
For God who made it okay to be Christian and
public again.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, I agree. In nineteen sixty eight, Nixon made the
choice not to talk to the extreme right and left,
and this is before the Internet, but to talk to
the majority of America in the center. He also pledged
to end the Vietnam War. A lot of those things,
and the assassination of Robert Kennedy certainly played a role
in him winning. But I think Nixon's choice to talk
(11:51):
to the center. I think the television era and seeing
it and the fatigue of seeing the hate and the
violence played a role in it. How did we get
out of it in sixty eight and any clues in
sixty eight how to get out of it now?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Well, I think the difference between.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Now and sixty eight is in the American center. The
American center has moved to Donald Trump. I mean, we
were a fifty to fifty country even as much as
a year ago. And what we were seeing is people,
you know, like the like in the movie where they
pick up their bags and they get in the kind
of Stoka wagons.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
And they go to Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You know, people are just getting up in their feet
and they're walking to the right.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
So that the right is.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Going to become the new center of American democracy.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And it's going to be the it's going to be
about eighty percent of the American people.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Again, I got nothing to add other than from your
lips to God's ears, it could certainly go that way,
and I bray it does good to have you back
in the country. James Carafano or Lieutenant Colonel, thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chrono.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
We did a journey of discovery on the revenue and
ratings collapse of Jimmy Kimmel, So congratulations, Mickey. He's all
yours and so are the losses. The question is, what
will Jimmy Kimmel do you know I always do the
Noster del Jorno character, I'll spare you that. But do
you think he's going to show remorse? Will he apologize
(13:24):
for being wrong? Will he apologize for being insensitive? Will
he double down and claim victory? What do you think
the odds are he completely avoids and just starts the show.
Maybe a simple line like where was I love to
hear from you? Use the talk back line on your
iHeartRadio app. The White House's President Trumps signed an executive
(13:46):
order designated Antifa a domestic terrorist organization, as promised and
now signed, Jimmy Kimmel's just mentioned We'll return tonight, but
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With an impressive two to one victory on Monday Night
Football last night, thirty eight thirty over the Baltimore Ravens.
Lions now two and one. Now if only the Tigers
(14:09):
could hang on, It's take in the playoff picture. Do
you Evangela's.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Talk back? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Yeah, play it Hi Michael, you know that I'm struggling
with having mis hurt Trump and you know the enemies
comment you know, if they'll turn it on us and
all that, you know, But I have to admit I'm
at a point where I really, I really don't care.
I don't like the commentary. I don't like your commentary.
I don't like many people's commentary. I think it's just
(14:40):
aw something that you know, we need to just just
let this play out.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And I'm just really tired of it all well, and
that's part of what they're counting on. That's part of
what they know. The game is wearing you down first
and foremost. Just so you know, my goal is you
understand the hour in what you live in a way
you wouldn't know listening to anything else or just scrolling
on your phone, because scrolling on the phone is just
(15:07):
going to take you on a drifting current of algorithms
and narrative. My number one goal is that we avoid
a civil war. Of all the wars that was the
no winner, and this one would just be something simply
(15:30):
we wouldn't want to live through. So that's number one,
avoid a civil war. Number two that we heal in
Unite number three, that the American people take their government
back from elected officials or whoever in the dark shadows
is really running all of this because they're getting rich
and we're getting poor, and they're benefiting from our fighting.
(15:53):
There is a scripture in Matthew chapter ten, starting in
verse sixteen. I'm sending you out like sheep among wolves.
Therefore be shrewd, shrewd as snakes, and is innocent as tubs.
Be on your guard. You will be handed over to
the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. And
(16:15):
on my account, you will be brought before governments and
kings as witnesses to them and to the gentiles. But
when they arrest you do not worry about what to
say and how to say it. At that time you
will be given what to say. That's what we need
to be praying, That's how we need to be living.
There are certain things we need to be aware of
(16:37):
so that we don't feed it on a silver platter.
But it's not the end of the world. I just
wanted to make the point. I told you they would
do it, and they're doing it. Charlie Kirk's not the
victim Trumps the tyrant and we're the victim. Jimmy Kimmel's
the victim.
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Roy O'Neil is our your morning show national correspondent. Let's see.
Jimmy Kimmel is back tonight, but not for thirty ABC
affiliates that are owned by Sinclair, but still right on
(18:19):
the mast. What do you pint him on the app?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
What what's your best guess as far as what he does?
Do you think he acknowledges it and apologizes?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Do you think he doubles down or do you think
he just moves right on.
Speaker 10 (18:33):
I think he's going to acknowledge it. I think he's
going to sort of apologize and then move on.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I said, we spoke earlier.
Speaker 10 (18:40):
I think the real issue is, you know, what's the
long term future of the show. And when I say
long term, I need six months, you know, because Kimmel's
contract is up in the new year, whether or not
ABC wants to continue with late night programming. You know,
CBS is giving up the ghost. So let's see if
anyone else wants to follow that. And if it's profitable
(19:01):
in twenty twenty five, Well, it's.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Not profitable in twenty five for the whole Late Night
Pie in twenty eighteen, which is not long ago. I mean,
that's really just seven years ago. They were all splitting
up four hundred and thirty nine million dollars. Now it's
down to two hundred million, and Jimmy Kimmel's portion at
best is seventy million dollars, and his salary and incentives
(19:24):
come to twenty four million. You can't have the host
of alone take up one third of all your revenue,
I mean, and this is the problem for late night
talk in general. There's the audience is gone. It's lost
seventy forty eighty percent of its audience. It's not there.
You went over a lot of the reasons why. And
you just can't do big, expensive productions like this. You're right,
(19:46):
murder she wrote, or her Frazier or something like that,
the game show, or you know, dig up Tom Sniner
and just sit there with an interview show with two
chairs and two microphones and be done with it. So
what's the mouse? What's the mouse going to do with
all these angry people in Hollywood's six months from now
when they get rid of the show.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
Well, a lot of the affiliates like Sinclair like Next Star.
You know, they want the hour back, they'd rather give
it to their local programming. So they extend the quote
unquote news, which is just a lot more weather essentially,
and filler programming that you know, local stations now do
what like sixteen hours of news a debt. It's ridiculous
(20:22):
the amount of stuff they went out there. But yeah,
it's going to be that kind of fill in programming
back perhaps and turn it.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Back over to the local stations. Jimmy Kimmel didn't get fired.
All of late night television got canceled by all of
the above. That everybody's moved on. It's just not a watchable,
winnable thing any longer. And it's not just Jimmy Kimmel
that's failing. Television is failing, and radio better be careful
(20:52):
as well. All Right, this guy, he was the second
assassin of Donald Trump, who didn't get a shot off,
and now he's defended himself. I can only imagine how
that's going.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Yeah, and he's about to give his closing statement. By
the way, at the courtroom they are in South Florida.
This is a federal trial, which is why it really
hasn't made too much news because no cameras, no microphones.
But this guy has been defending himself, not doing a
great job of it. He called three witnesses, one of
them a firearms expert who essentially contradicted what he was
trying to say, and then two character witnesses who sentially said,
(21:27):
oh no, we can't imagine you doing this Ryan at all. Now,
this fifty nine year old could be getting life in
prison if found guilty. But this is going to start
to go pretty fat. Closing arguments by the prosecution and
defense today, jury's instructions and then they're off to deliberate.
We could be getting a verdict before today is done.
Roy O'Neil covering our top stories today. Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Rie.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
We'll talk again tomorrow. If you are just waking up.
We say these are always revealing and often entertaining. These
are the sounds of the day.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
All people who majored inn online activision with a minor
and puberty bok.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Really a little bit ypy.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Any of you in the media clearly mist the.
Speaker 11 (22:11):
Art of the dealers.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
It's going to work out, all right. Kamala Harris came
out of her her cave and spoke to Rachel Maddow.
That'll provide us with some entertainment. Kamala says that the
twenty twenty four election, in which she lost every single
swing state as well as the popular vote, ended up
(22:32):
being the closest presidential election of the twenty first century.
Speaker 12 (22:36):
Listen, sitting vice president enters the race against a former
president of the United States, has been running for ten
years with one hundred and seven days to go, and
it ended up being the closest presidential election in the
twenty first century.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
And the sitting all for five with swing states. Then
there's addressing the communist tyrant dictator. I said this jokingly twice.
(23:14):
I used to be alive in America in a time
where if a former vice president and a former presidential
candidate called a sitting president a communist when clearly he's
a capitalist, a tyrant, and right after an assassination, he
having survived two assassinations, that name calling would be the story.
(23:42):
But that's just not America anymore, and that's just not
Mama La Kamala.
Speaker 12 (23:46):
And right now we are dealing with, as I called
him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
We used to.
Speaker 12 (23:56):
Compare the strength of our democracy to communist. That's what
we're dealing with right now. Donald Trump and these titans
of industry are not speaking, and perhaps it is because
his threats and the way he has used the weight
of the federal government to take out vengeance on his
(24:21):
critics is something that they fear, and I get that.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I understand why they do.
Speaker 12 (24:25):
We've seen the demonstration of it.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Not that they've ever done any of that. I like
this section. This was my favorite. Here's Rachel Maddow going
to ask the tough, tough questions of Mamala Kamala Lissa.
Speaker 13 (24:43):
About the I think the point of the part of
your book that has people most thus far, which is
some of your writing about the decision around the president
abandoning his reelection campaign. Timing there and how it's handled.
You say in part page forty six, it's Joe and
(25:04):
Jill's decision. We all said that like a mantra, as
if we'd all been hypnotized. Was it grace or was
it recklessness? In retrospect, I think it was recklessness. The
stakes were simply too high. This wasn't a choice that
should have been left to an individual's ego and individual's ambition.
It should have been more than a personal decision.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
How different is that from when she gave the testimony
of the call I got the call I was.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Making breakfast for mama, Mama the I'm making breakfast product,
and then he gave me the call.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Now in retrospect, it's recklessness. Let's see how she taps
out of this.
Speaker 13 (25:45):
Whose decision should that have been? How should that decision
have been made?
Speaker 12 (25:50):
So when I write this, it's because I realize that
I have and had a certain responsibility that I should
have followed through on, which is and so when I
talk about the recklessness, as much as anything.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I'm talking about myself.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
There was so much from the.
Speaker 12 (26:15):
State, and as I write, you know where my head
was at at the time is that it would be
completely it would come off as being completely self serving.
Speaker 13 (26:26):
If you said to President Biden if you did not
think you should.
Speaker 12 (26:29):
Run again, yeah, or even that he should question whether
it's a good idea. But I think that you know,
one of the reasons I wrote this book, Rachel, is
there are actually a number of reasons. One is one
that it is unprecedented. Right to your point of what
you said in your opening, we had a president of
(26:52):
the United States running for re election three and a
half months from the election, decides not to run. The
sitting vice president enters. The race against a former president
of the United States has been running for ten years,
with one hundred and seven days to go.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I guess that's one way to remember it. Another way
to remember it was a shadow campaign was admitted to
to weaponize COVID change election laws, harvest ballots, and steal
an election. A deal was cut. You were the first
of the primary opponents eliminated, and Bernie Sanders was going
(27:34):
to get the Democratic nomination for President of the United
States again, just as he would have over Hillary if
the DNC didn't get involved. So they got involved in
South Carolina and cut a deal for Old Joe, Old
Joe who was fourth in Iowa, seventh in New Hampshire. You,
who were the first knocked out.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Of the race because you came across angry, nasty, and unfrettedly,
and then orchestrate a ticket with both of you.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Because you brought so much as a California Senator to
the electoral college map. No, you were the uniting of
the Clinton apparatus, and he was the uniting of the
Obama apparatus, and then you hid a fake president for
four years and you couldn't orchestrate the parachute out. Then,
(28:27):
like a bumbling fool, you write all this in your book.
Were you a wreck or a lying operative? I pray
America can figure that out. Here's Jasmine Crockett making a
bold statement, like we live in a time where there
(28:50):
isn't evidence all around us to the contract.
Speaker 11 (28:53):
So don't get mad that I speak the truth and
I speak facts. But I literally have never said anything
to him violence. And I challenge somebody to go and
find a clip of a Democrat invoking violence.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
A clip of a democrat invoking violence. That's the challenge.
All right, let's see what we can do here.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
I mean, like this dude has to.
Speaker 11 (29:16):
Be knots over the head, like hard right, like there
is no.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Niceties with him.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
But this is a war. This isn't a battle, and
we absolutely will win this war.
Speaker 12 (29:28):
It is a war.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
It is indeed a war, and I have to say
they have won some battles, Jasmine, but we have to
keep our eye on the war.
Speaker 13 (29:34):
And then everybody needs to pick up a weapon and
get involved.
Speaker 11 (29:38):
The violence doesn't come from democrats just to be clear.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It is maga. It's specifically maga affection, like please rise
for a moment of prayer for Charlie Kirk and his family.
By the way, I could go on for another three
and a half minutes. Now, this was a key moment
at the White House yesterday. You need to something that
the President said is a non guar addressed. We never
again will the immense power of the state you weaponize
(30:04):
the person kid political opponents and do not allow that
to happen.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Is the President going back on his promise?
Speaker 14 (30:11):
No, In fact, the President is fulfilling his promise to
restore a Department of Justice that demands accountability. And it
is not weaponizing the Department of Justice to demand accountability
for those who weaponize the Department of Justice. And nobody
knows what that looks like more than President Trump. We
are not going to tolerate gas lighting from anyone in
(30:33):
the media or from anyone on the other side who
is trying to say that it's the president who is
weaponizing the DOJ. It was Joe Biden and his Attorney
general who weaponized the DOJ. Joe Biden used this sacred
American institution to go after his political opponent in the
middle of an election year, and you look at people
like Adam Schiff and like James Comey, and like Letitia James,
(30:55):
who the President is rightfully frustrated. He wants accountability for
these corrupt fraudsters who abuse their power, who abuse their
oath of office.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Of course, all of this is news to the media,
who didn't cover it the first time. The Washington Post
Kirk's memorial was an emblem of the Trump era, a
sign of what is ahead. The events showed how the
line that used to separate religion and politics may no
longer exist, particularly for the right. Fox headline Harris calls
(31:27):
Trump a tyrant, lamb based, effeckless CEOs my favorite The
Atlantic a most profound transgression. In demanding that Attorney general
go after his enemies, Donald Trump is upending fundamental norms
(31:48):
of fairness and neutrality in the American system, completely ignoring
what the Biden administration did to him. We detailed all
seventeen harassing attacks, but maybe my favorite is the People
magazine story with Christian Chenna with and I Got that
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Speaker 7 (33:17):
Today, It's your Morning Show with Michael del journo.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I thought Kamala Harris quote was going to be my
favorite when she said I just couldn't put, couldn't ask,
I couldn't demand any more of the American people. I mean,
I really want to Pete Bodhagic to be my running mate,
but he's gay, and I already asked them for too
much to consider a woman, a black woman married to
a Jewish man, and then add a gay that's just
too much to ask of the American people. That reveals
(33:45):
her view of the American people. She finds the American
people sexist, racist, anti Semitic, homophobic, and it's what they
preach every day, so it shouldn't shock me, but it's
very revealing. Same thing with Christian Chenowith. This story just
(34:09):
passed me in the sea of voices and stories, but
it just stuck. Here's People Magazine. Christian Chenowith defends reaction
to Charlie Kirk's death. Just to defend her reaction to
the death while acknowledging it hurt some folks in the
LGBT community. Some folks in the LGBT community got hurt,
(34:30):
Charlie got killed, So I'm thinking, where is this going
Christian Chenowith is having a human moment of reflection. The
heck is that a human moment of reflection following her
immediate reaction to the death of Charlie Kirk. Speaking to
n Y one in a news interview, the fifty seven
(34:54):
year old addressed the controversy over a recent post on
her Instagram, and I'm thinking what was post? That she
was upset after right wing political commentator, not husband, not father,
not smart, not courageous, not cordial, right wing political commentator
(35:17):
was fatally shot. He was murdered. Here's what she posted.
Didn't always agree, but appreciated some perspectives. What a heartbreak
is young family. I know where he is now heaven,
But still I saw what happened with my own eyes
online and I had a human moment of reflection seeing
(35:39):
the response to her reaction over the death of Kirk,
who repeated anti LGBTQ and anti women talking points. That's
an accusation I've always, you know, made it no secret
that I'm a Christian and I'm a person of faith.
It's also no secret that I'm an advocate for LGPTQ plus,
(36:00):
and I know some fans were hurt by this statement.
She's retracting her statement. Does this silently suggest that to
the LGBT community plus, this was a good kill and
to be shocked and horrified is in a reaction you
(36:21):
should apologize for. Maybe Christian chennow with should revisit this
trying to conflate LGBTQ plus and Christianity. Wow, And with that,
I'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
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