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This is your morning show with Michael o' deel trum.
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Well morning, Michael, Jeffrey and Red.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
My question is what's the conspiracy theory on your missus Snake?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Have you figured it out yet?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I know?
Speaker 5 (00:48):
By the way, Red, I couldn't agree with you more,
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
One oh one, have a blush day. You guys are
a bunch of drunks. And why do you keep doing that?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Are you drinking wild turkey with your coffee this morning?
I want you to be truthful. No, okay, but you've
done it, haven't you.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
You can tell when he does because he puts his
head down on the desk and he snores.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Why don't you who's drinking whiskey and coffee in the morning.
You had a really rough night if that's the case. Oh,
Joey loved your calls as always. The snake is still
missing and presumably still alive somewhere. He's like the Jeremiah
Johnson of snakes. Just one day he got up and
went into the into the mountains. I don't know if
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he's upstairs, downstairs, under the refrigerator, under the.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Does he come out in the middle of the night.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I don't know that it's become a conspiracy theory if
you're just waking up eight minutes after the hour.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Welcome to Tuesday, October the seventh. This is your morning show.
We all, including the listeners, have add.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
The federal government remains shut down a seventh consecutive day.
They've tried five votes, all five have failed. Here comes
day seven, and other than the media jumping on, you know,
air traffic controllers who are either calling and sick or
what have you. They can't find any interest at all
that anybody seems to care and Of course, the real
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joke is if they linger much longer with a substruction
government tactic, by the time they solved this shutdown, you'll
be days away from the next shutdown. Milwaukee and the
Dodgers both winners, both up two games to nothing, and
in a best of five series that becomes very difficult
to overcome for the Cubs. In the Phillies, Trevor Lawrence
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rumbled and stumbled into the end zone and gave on
his birthday the Jaguars a victory thirty one twenty eight
over the Chiefs. There now four and one. All Right,
I said earlier, if if and butts were candy and nuts,
we'd all have a nicer Christmas. Right, If frameworks and
talks were candy and nuts, we'd all have peace by Christmas.
But a framework is not a ceasefire, and a framework
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is not release of hostages, and a framework is a
long way away from lasting peace for the Jewish people.
A little analysis and how the talks in Egypt are going,
as Heritage Foundation, Colonel Steven Boucie.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
The reason I do.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That is, you know, we always have we always call
Carafano lieutenant colonel.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
What about your rank? Well, it was you worked hard
to be a colonel. I'll start.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
We got like a we gotta like a phone delay,
all right. Obviously what we want is uh a Harmasles
uh Palestinian territory. Obviously we want for the Jewish people
is something that's not just resolved and a can is
kicked and then eventually they have to deal with another attack.
We want lasting peace. Some of these are more difficult
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than others. Frameworks may work. When are we gonna get
the hostages released? That's some when we know and even
then we don't know if we'll have Ce's fire. But
where are we at with these talks and why are
they so necessary?
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Well, we're better off today than we have been never before.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Time out, time out, time out. You and me are
the only two that have said that. I just said
that yesterday. You know, everybody relaxed. This is a lot
better than we were a year ago or two years ago.
I mean, Hamas is decimated, has Bela's decimate, Go ahead
with that.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
That's a great point.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Uh Well, I may be not quite as optimistic as you.
It's better than we've ever been before, but it's still
not satisfactory. Look, Hamas are not good faith negotiating partners. Uh,
they're being forced more and more now by getting the
other Arab countries involved.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
There's more pressure on them than ever before.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
But they are going to continue to try and shift
and lie and say, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
We're right on board. But yeah, well maybe.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Just you know, half of the hostages and the bodies
and and the other ones later. I mean, they are
not going to just roll over and disappear. And again
remember you know, and this is why all our crazy
allies in Western Europe and a bunch of people in
America too, you know, saying oh, we just need a
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two state solution. Well, Israel has agreed to the two
state solution multiple times, has given the territory for it
to happen, and every time the Palestinians reject it, they
say not no, but heck no, there's only one solution
that's one state, and it doesn't include any Jews, and
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they all need to go.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Preferably feet first. You know.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
That's the reality of what Hamas believes and is trying for,
not to mention staying alive and keeping the billions of
dollars that they grifted off of their own peoples from
the AID.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That's been given.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
The leaders of Hamas are not legitimate negotiat partners, so
I guess we're trying. But I'm telling you the only
way is going to happen is to get rid of
all those guys. And even that's not gonna make everybody
go way, no, no, no, this is, this is it's not. Yeah,
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I'm not ready to celebrate as you could.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah no no no no.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
But I mean you left me like fifteen things to unpack,
and so we can do them one at a time.
The only thing I would ask is make the answers
a little quicker so we can get them all in.
But I'll never forget when Barack Obama was negotiating the
end of the Afghan war, and he was doing so
with a Taliban, the cause of the war. So you know,
the fact that we're even having talks with Hamas is
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a bit self defeating. There should be no place for Hamas.
The problem is, though not only did was Hamas in control,
and that's why all that suffering came in Palestine and
they chose to invade Israel. I suspect the people of
Palestine might still choose Hamas, So I don't you know,
but yeah, You're right. They don't even see Israel's right
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to exist. There should be no place at the table
for them. That's unacceptable. They are somewhat defeated. They need
to be completely defeated, sent back to Iran. I'd like
to see some kind of Arab control. I mean, there
are three types of Mohammed, therefore we have three types
of Muslims. But for the peace loving reasonable ones, if
they were in charge to hold back the radicals for
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a while, it won't be forever. That might make sense.
But why are we even talking with Hamas. That's like
negotiating with the Taliban. They're only going to come back.
And that's why I didn't like that in the twenty
one point piece plan that they can disarm and stay
until they regroup an attack again.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I mean, they're not going to change their stripes. No,
not at all. That they are not going to change.
That is their determined position.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
And if they give that up the day they give
the last hostage back, they know their post. They know
Israel is gonna maybe not this week, but eventually Israel
is going to get them. They know that. They also
know Israel will come and take the money away from
them because they can do that kind of stuff too.
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And you know, these guys are are rats trapped in
a corner. They are going to fight until they die.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I I would say it this way. We had this
whole long talk about conspiracy theories, and I think I
think it's all birthed and mistrust. We don't trust our government,
we don't trust the medical community, we don't trust politicians,
we don't trust the media, we don't trust each other.
So in the spirit of mistrust, and then journalism's dead,
so we don't get news from newspapers or networks that can.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Have some accountability.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It used to be partisan biased, but not you know, crazy,
And now everything's on the internet and everything is wild conspiracy.
And I'm fascinated to what becomes a conspiracy theory, what
doesn't who's susceptible to these things?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Who are not?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I saw the Democrat Party develop an anti is Real
position from universities to Washington, d C. I'm seeing something
birth similar to that in the far right of the
Republican Party by way of old media personalities now on
the internet. Why is it important for America to stand
by Israel? And how hard is that going to be
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for the next president, not this one, but for the
next one.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
First of all, it's one hundred percent imperative that we
stand by Israel. They are our only true ally in
the region. They're the only country there with like values
and morals to us, and they come through when other
countries don't. Now I'm not saying they're not a puppet.
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They don't follow everything we tell them to do, nor
should they.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They're a sovereign nation.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
But if we turn our backs on them, just from
a political stand point, it's it's stupid, it's self defeating,
and it's wrong. From if anybody reads the Bible, you know,
there's more danger to turning your back on them.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, we're gonna do that. We're gonna do We're gonna
do that next half hour. But how embolden would Islam be?
First come Saturday, then come Sunday. The great Satan is America.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
If they if they get past Israel, you're next, and
they might all unite.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I mean, it would be apocalyptic.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
It would be this idea that Israel is not just
fighting for their self protection, they're fighting for the protection
of the entire civilized world, the Western world. However you
want to put that, that's who they're fighting for. They're
fighting for us, and we need to acknowledge that, and
we need to assist them, not hamper them, and darn
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sure not blame them for what happened, by the way
two years ago today, I.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Know, and I don't have to tell you where the
conspiracy theories go. I mean, right now, there's some leading
voices trying to point Israel took out Charlie Kirk, just
like they took out Bright part, you know, demonizing of
Israel and America's support of Israel.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And I.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Don't know what creates the void that allows that in,
but we've certainly lost sight.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Sometimes it's even our compassion.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I mean, I don't like seeing people suffer the Palestinian
territors ory, but they should have They shouldn't have the
Islamist aspirations to choose them as as their leaders, and
I think they would choose.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Them again right now.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
So how often the long in the short Stephen Boochie
joining us from the Heritage Foundation, How likely is this
to lead anywhere? And are we really going to rush
something that feels like it's it when it's not so
we can reach the Nobel Peace Prize deadline? I mean,
is that the new goal over lasting peace in Israel? I?
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Sure, hope not. It is a potential. It's something we
need to be cautious about. We need to watch both
in our public pronouncements and our prayers. We need to
not allow that to happen. That would be disastrous. And
I don't think Israel is going to let it happen
because they do know the accurate relationship with Hamas and
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they realize they're gonna have to finish this or they're
just going to be doing it again. Maybe not next week,
but in a month, two months, six months, who knows,
but it'll come again.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
The White House says everyone is on board for the
framework of President Trump's Godza peace plan. Steven I wasn't
born yesterday. In fact, I was born three hundred and
sixty five times sixty one. Yesterday's ago. No way, a way,
not honestly anyway. It's it's hard to get excited, but
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we'll see.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
I think there's more people on board today than we've
had before, especially in the last couple of years. But
the key one is Hamas is not yet on board.
They may say that, but they are not. And that's
the rub that's where this thing is unfortunately probably gonna
stumble and fall, and I hope we're ready to respond
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to that and not be surprised by it. But you know,
President Trump's not that big an idealist. I think he's uh,
you know, he may be pushing it, that's what he's
hoping for, but I don't think he believes it's that easy.
He did send his son, a son in law that
you know, did the whole Abraham Accords, uh, and he
(13:38):
you know, wasn't going to get in government again, so
he's bringing out a bigger gun to try and help
with this. But I'm still very pessimistic, Michael.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
But praying fervently for peace for Israel. Stephen Bucci, always
a pleasure to talk to you with your analysis of
the peace talks in Egypt. Thanks so much for joining us.
God bless you, colonel. All right, twenty minutes after the hour.
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There's a couple of stories no one's talking about, and
they should be. Maine investigating a claim that bundles of
ballance ended up in a woman's Amazon order. So now
we're using absentee ballance for Amazon packing. Apparently, well, how
did this happen? The town of Ellsworth reported that this
to the state last week, that it was missing shipment
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of two hundred and fifty absentee ballots and where.
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Do we find them?
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At a woman's home forty miles away reportedly finding the
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you can't make this up. Or how about this? The
Biden FBI spied on eight GOP senators and you got
the documents. You can stare right at them today. Anybody
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hearing any news stories about this.
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You're a line dog faced pony soldier.
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I mean, I always use this expression, way worse than Watergate,
and not only is it going to lead to any
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I guess so what gets me, Michael, is how did
they lose?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It's still lost.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I mean Lindsey Graham, Haggarty from Tennessee, Sullivan, Tommy Tupperville,
Marsha Blackburn, Mike Kelly. Not a peep crickets today on
both stories.
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But it is day seven of the shutdown.
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I'm so glad you're here for this. Very moment doesn't
happen often enough, but when it does, I like to
acknowledge the fate of the moment. I can't think of
any subject that is more important right now to talk about,
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and I can't think of any better person to talk
with about it than Pastor Alan Jackson from the World
Outreach Center. It is two years the anniversary of the
Hamas attack on Israel. Why does America stand with Israel?
Why would believers stand with the Jewish people. This needs
to be looked at, not from the wild, wild Internet
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west of conspirac se theories, but from biblical text, from
a historical accurate perspective, and from a geopolitical perspective. And
I have found no one that explains it better than
Pastor Allan Jackson. He's the unofficial pastor of your morning show.
Good morning, Pastor, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Good more than Michael, It's good to be with you today.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You know, I know that you were friends, did some
things with Charlie Kirk and were shocked and saddened by
his assassination. Already, the Internet's turned that into there was
a trap door, it was a hologram.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Shots came from different places.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
We have two big names that used to be in
the media that are now untethered on the Internet getting
ready to lay this right at the feet of Israel.
And the Masad took out Charlie Kirk like they did Breitbart.
You know, dada, YadA, YadA. We have the craziness of
conspiracy theory. And I have people emailing me. You must
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as pastor, their own sons are buying into this, their
own daughters or their spouse. We shouldn't be supporting Israel anymore.
We've been lied to. So let's take this first from
a biblical perspective. Let's understand the Jewish people and our
past and our present and our future with them as
Christians versus the Israeli government. From a biblical perspective, Why
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should Christians stand by the Jewish people.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
That's a great question. Maybe we start with the first one.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
There's a lie out there that modern Israel has no
connection to biblical Israel, and to believe that you just
have to have a profound lack of awareness of scripture.
There's clearly a connection promoth prophetically in the New Testament,
in Jesus' own teaching and imagination.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
So that's just false narrative.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Now we get confused because the modern nation of Israel,
not everything they do politically, not every.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
Decision they make is godly.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Every sin you can find in Middle Tennessee, you can
find in Jerusalem and certainly in Tel Aviv. Right, So
sometimes we hold Israel to some standard that we don't
hold Chicago to, and that makes no sense. But biblically,
if you're a christ follower, if you're a person of
the book, we owe a tremendous debt to the Jewish people.
In Romans chapter nine, Paul said without the Jewish people,
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we would have no prophets, we would have no covenants,
we would have no law, we would have no scripture,
we would have no Messiah. So we owe a profound
debt to the Jewish people. That's not to say every
decision they make is right, every political activity they engage
in is appropriate. But we are absolutely, without question and
debted to them for our spiritual heritage.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I'm not surprised. I doubt you're going to be when
I ask you the question. There was a time not
long ago where a sitting administration did not support Israel.
One of the two parties had an Israel problem because
a good portion of their party takes si with the
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radical Islamists over the Jewish people. And now we're seeing
the seeds of even in the far right, this notion
of turning America against Israel. How spiritual is that versus
just social dilemma and craziness on the internet. Is there
something afoot? How long will America stand by Israel? And
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why should it and what happens if it stops?
Speaker 9 (22:29):
Well, I think, like most things, absolutely, I think there's
a spiritual foundation to the question, but it's also multicaceted.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Our schools have failed us.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
Our universities are in doctrination centers, they're not places to
exchange ideas and learn. And our churches have failed us.
They haven't taught about the significance of the Jewish people
and Israel and our debt to that. So now we
find ourselves in this toxic soup where there's a spirit.
Anti Semitism is driven by the same spirit that hates Christians.
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It's the spirit of Antichrist. It hates the purposes of
God and the earth. It's the Egyptians murdering babies. It's
Herod killing babies in Bethlehem. It's the Holocaust, and now
we see it raging on our formerly elite university campuses.
I refuse to call them a leite any longer. You know,
these students screaming for free Palestine from the river to
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the sea. It's a call for the genocide of the
Jewish people. And so the church has a role to
play in this, not just to sit in our buildings
and enjoy our favorite worship music and our favorite parables
from Scripture, but to engage our culture with the truth.
If we don't stand up for the people of God,
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they will come to our doors. They've already hunted Charlie.
And if we think it's not coming to the house
where we live, we failed to recognize history and we're
not paying attention to the season we're living it. It's
not frightening to me. It's an opportunity. Yeah, I think when
the enemy is agitated, it's because of the potential that
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we possess to make an impact in our world.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
So let's get focused on the potential.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Pastor Allen Jackson joining us in the World Outreach Center,
they stood with Israel this Sunday. Andrew and I were
honored to be there, and I recommend everybody go look
up that sermon online. It was spectacular. There are probably
a lot of people that are hearing their kids come
back from college or off the internet with the argument
that the Jewish people are not the chosen people anymore,
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not since Christ. I mean, there's so many different ones.
I almost struggled with do I really want to do
these one by one with you? And then the more
over bigger question is what should parents do if I mean,
obviously they're not getting that grounding in scripture from their church.
They might want to find a different church. But I
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do think you have to, as an act of will,
fix your mind on God's word and not the latest
trends on TikTok or social media. But what would you
say to people out there, especially for that one, even
that they're not the chosen people anymore?
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Well, God, there's no choice. That God chose the Jewish people,
he made a covenant with them. Through them, he delivered
his redemptive purposes to the whole earth. Now there's a
stream of church history that grew up that said after
that God rejected the Jewish people, but that's refuted multiple
times in the Book of Romans. In our New Testament,
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it's bad theology. God's faithfulness to the Jewish people is
the evidence that he'll be faithful to you and me and.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Keeping his covenant with us.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
In fact, the Book of Romans says that we've been
grafted in to that original tree, so that tree wasn't
uprooted and put in the fire. We are beneficiaries of
that roots of that Judeo Christian heritage that we have.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
In the Bible.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
What I want to say to the families is you
can't give to your children something you don't have, So
you have to begin to read your Bible on a
regular basis, a systematic basis. I'm encouraging people this fall
wherever I can, to have one meal together as a family,
around the table every week, no devices. It's like a
wellness check. Tell me what you've cried about since we
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were here last. What have you celebrated since we were
here last. Talk about what's happening in our world. Talk
about Charlie's assassination. Talk about the second anniversary of October
the seventh.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
You'll, if you will start.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
You can't wait till your kids come back from college
to start to teach them the truth. You want to
send them away from your home. Fully prepared. Parenting is
a training release program. If you don't train them before
you release them, they're going to come back little pagans.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You see, it seems to me, Pastor, like we're in
a new mentality and and I know how we got here,
at the abandonment of absolute truth, his way, his truth,
his life for moral relativism a theory.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's emotion based, it's not fact based.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Now we have built mistrust in government and the medical
world and politicians and the media. Heck, we don't even
trust each other. It is a perfect storm for anything
goes kind of a thing. But why are I'm just curious,
why are some people more susceptible to these conspiracy theories
over truth than others.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Have you ever put your finger on it?
Speaker 8 (27:26):
I have a theory, but this is your world more
than mine.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
Those of us who stand outside the mainstream media have
accused them of chasing ideologies or chasing advertisers. They want
to keep their corporate masters happy. And I think in
the new media realm now, we're seeing people clicks. They
chase clicks. Yeah, so they want sensational headlines, and they'll
take conspiracy theories on because for a few moments or
(27:50):
a few hours, it'll increase the number of clicks they get.
And we're trading our character and integrity for a broader platform.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
It's unfortunate.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
As parents, if this is happening to you, I don't
think you engage in the debate. I like what you
just described. That's what I counseled someone to do. If
your kids or your wife are coming at you with
these conspiracy theories, you know, whatever it is. If it's
the world is flat, okay, it's flat. Still, how was
your week. You know, what did you celebrate? What did
you cry about? You know, I guess not engage in it,
(28:23):
right because we have this mentality lose one debate and
then we convert kind of a thing, and that's all
it takes to convert somebody to a conspiracy theory, when
if there is the foundation and all the background in
the information, it just doesn't seem to have that same effect.
But I can't quite figure out where it's coming from.
(28:44):
I just know that it's building and it's affecting some
people greatly. Well.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
I think if we imagine that the Bible gives us
a presentation of objective truth, I think the attack is
on objective truth. You know, you don't have to say
you're male or female. You have thirty six other options,
which is patently absurd. You know, if somebody says they
don't believe in gravity, I don't argue with them. You know,
it will become abundantly apparent if they just live, have
(29:11):
enough birthdays, and if the parents then if we will
just educate ourselves in the biblical truth and not apologize
for it, not be ashamed of it, but I'd be
heavy handed with it. We don't have to be dictatorial.
It's true, and the truth will come to the surface,
and so when somebody presents them. We've been afraid of
the conversations. We've been afraid someone's gonna use fancy language
(29:34):
and convince us that we're wrong.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
And I'm like, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
God created us male and female, and I'm not angry
about people that are confused about that. I have compassion
on them, but their confusion doesn't confuse me. My father
was a veterinarian. I've seen lots of things born, calves
and foals and kittens and puppies. There's never any confusion
at the point of arrival what they are. And so
we're going to have the courage to believe our bibles
and like, it's true.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Again, that's because your dad was a veterinary. My best
friend got a cat that I said was a girl.
He named it a girl's name Eleanor, and it turned
out to be a boy. Now he's hobby, so I'll
but that's the difference. Bottom line. Put a ribbon on this.
Let's get rid of movements and theories and just get
to the text of scripture. What would you challenge any
(30:25):
believers that are struggling with supporting Israel to go read
and fill their mind equally with Roman be the biggest.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah, I'd read Romans nine, ten, and eleven. You
read those three chapters and you'll get Paul's argument. But
I think there's an important point today, Michael. It's not
the question you asked, but this is the second anniversary
of the October seventh attack, and Israel was in a
very precarious position that day.
Speaker 8 (30:51):
They were being attacked by.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Hamas in the north, in the south, has Bala in
the north, had hundreds of thousands of the rainy and
Russian made missiles, and Iran was threatening them with the
nuclear potential. Two years later, Hamas is almost totally eradicated,
hezbe Lah has been tremendously weakened, and Iranian nuclear capabilities
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for the moment have been sidelined. Those things were impossible
two years ago. Now there are still hostages in those
awful tunnels, right And the story isn't finished yet. But
the outcome two years later is an expression of the
power of God and the mercy of God. In spite
of opposition from the United States and the United Nations
and the global community, God is faithful to his promises
(31:36):
in the earth. He'd be faithful to the ones he's
made to the Jewish people, and he'll be faithful to
the ones he's made to us.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
He's trustworthy.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Pastor Alan Jackson World Outreach, Jenner, thanks for joining us,
and I encourage people to go to your website and
hear the sermon from Sunday that would have been October fifth.
I think he'll give you a lot of powerful truths.
And I appreciate your church and inviting us and standing
with Israel. Thank you so much. Forty nine minutes after
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It's your morning show with Michael Del Chorno.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Love getting your emails at Michael D at iHeartMedia dot com.
Michelle writes, finally, finally, exclamation point, exclamation point. I have
waited for Pastor Allen to be on your show for years.
Thank you for sharing his biblical insight with your listeners.
I have attended World Outreach and listen to him speak
the truth all the time. Michelle, Michelle, I would tell
you this, and I didn't do this in the introduction.
(33:37):
I can think of very few people no longer with
us that I respect more than Alan Jackson. I can
think of no one else alive I respect more than
Alan Jackson. He is again, if some of you are
(33:58):
struggling to get the truth in the church you're in,
you know, keep going to your church, stay involved in
your church, or find a better one. But you know,
you can always watch his sermons once a week, two
Tuesday night. There's no sports Tuesday night, watch them them.
There is no greater teacher of the Gospel than Alan Jackson.
Could not hold him in higher regard. Google subway hopping.
(34:27):
I read the story of two girls who died from
subway hopping in New York. I guess this is some
new trend now on the internet. It's a new TikTok tra.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
I just saw a video and it's quite bad, bad,
bad that and we're golfing scalding hot noodles.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Little subway surfing.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
We got to get these phones out of our hands.
You know what, rory Amazon Prime Day today. I had
such a bad experience with Amazon last time we had
an Amazon Prime Day. Well, because I was talking to
you about it and then I was like, I don't
even care about it. So I went and looked and
there were some puma golf shoes. I went to buy
them ten and a half size that came size six.
(35:05):
That went on three times, and it keeps setting them
back and then final they didn't even get the sale price.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I'm done.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
But how big is Amazon Prime Day besides getting.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Ballots like they do run. Yeah, well, when you add.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
Up July and October events, it could be about twenty
twenty five billion in total retail and there look, there
are more and more of these issues popping up when
it comes to people jacking up the price than cutting
it so it looks like a Prime Day deal. So
there are those price tracker apps that you are encouraged
to use so that if those Puma golf shoes say, oh,
(35:40):
thirty five percent off, well really they were. They're not
at the same price they were last week, except that
yesterday they artificially jacked up the price to cut it.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
And there's more of that happening as well.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
So use price trackers like Camelcamelcamel dot Com or keep
a k ee Pa. You just put in the web
address of that specif item and it'll give you the
full price history, so you know if you're actually getting
a deal. And then, as you said, remember that Amazon
sellers aren't all Amazon, right, So Amazon sells a lot
(36:11):
of the products, the producers sell a lot of the products.
But there's a lot of these third parties that are
out there. So before you put something in your cart,
you know, double check, do some research on the history
of that seller. Make sure they have a good reputation,
otherwise there might be another one out there that might
be able to help you.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Then it used to be I know, we're done in
thirty seconds, But then it used to be only had
one of these a year.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
How many of these do we have? Now? Now it's two.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
And then they're being extended to multiple days. You get
July and October, and of course you know it's getting
into the holidays now O.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, we're supposed to be early Christmas shopping.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
I guess all right, well, i'll let you know what
mistake I make tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Rory O'Neil, great reporting.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
As always, we'll talk again tomorrow. All right, here's the
bottom line, One chance to live. Tuesday, October seventh, twenty
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Speaker 3 (37:04):
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Well morning, Michael, Jeffrey and Red.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
My question is what's the conspiracy theory on your missus Snake?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Have you figured it out yet?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I know?
Speaker 5 (00:48):
By the way, Red, I couldn't agree with you more,
but it's gotta be wild turkey.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
One oh one, have a blush day. You guys are
a bunch of drunks. And why do you keep doing that?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Are you drinking wild turkey with your coffee this morning?
I want you to be truthful. No, okay, but you've
done it, haven't you.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
You can tell when he does because he puts his
head down on the desk and he snores.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Why don't you who's drinking whiskey and coffee in the morning.
You had a really rough night if that's the case. Oh,
Joey loved your calls as always. The snake is still
missing and presumably still alive somewhere. He's like the Jeremiah
Johnson of snakes. Just one day he got up and
went into the into the mountains. I don't know if
(01:34):
he's upstairs, downstairs, under the refrigerator, under the.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Does he come out in the middle of the night.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I don't know that it's become a conspiracy theory if
you're just waking up eight minutes after the hour.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Welcome to Tuesday, October the seventh. This is your morning show.
We all, including the listeners, have add.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
The federal government remains shut down a seventh consecutive day.
They've tried five votes, all five have failed. Here comes
day seven, and other than the media jumping on, you know,
air traffic controllers who are either calling and sick or
what have you. They can't find any interest at all
that anybody seems to care and Of course, the real
(02:11):
joke is if they linger much longer with a substruction
government tactic, by the time they solved this shutdown, you'll
be days away from the next shutdown. Milwaukee and the
Dodgers both winners, both up two games to nothing, and
in a best of five series that becomes very difficult
to overcome for the Cubs. In the Phillies, Trevor Lawrence
(02:31):
rumbled and stumbled into the end zone and gave on
his birthday the Jaguars a victory thirty one twenty eight
over the Chiefs. There now four and one. All Right,
I said earlier, if if and butts were candy and nuts,
we'd all have a nicer Christmas. Right, If frameworks and
talks were candy and nuts, we'd all have peace by Christmas.
But a framework is not a ceasefire, and a framework
(02:53):
is not release of hostages, and a framework is a
long way away from lasting peace for the Jewish people.
A little analysis and how the talks in Egypt are going,
as Heritage Foundation, Colonel Steven Boucie.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
The reason I do.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That is, you know, we always have we always call
Carafano lieutenant colonel.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
What about your rank? Well, it was you worked hard
to be a colonel. I'll start.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
We got like a we gotta like a phone delay,
all right. Obviously what we want is uh a Harmasles
uh Palestinian territory. Obviously we want for the Jewish people
is something that's not just resolved and a can is
kicked and then eventually they have to deal with another attack.
We want lasting peace. Some of these are more difficult
(03:48):
than others. Frameworks may work. When are we gonna get
the hostages released? That's some when we know and even
then we don't know if we'll have Ce's fire. But
where are we at with these talks and why are
they so necessary?
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Well, we're better off today than we have been never before.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Time out, time out, time out. You and me are
the only two that have said that. I just said
that yesterday. You know, everybody relaxed. This is a lot
better than we were a year ago or two years ago.
I mean, Hamas is decimated, has Bela's decimate, Go ahead
with that.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
That's a great point.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Uh Well, I may be not quite as optimistic as you.
It's better than we've ever been before, but it's still
not satisfactory. Look, Hamas are not good faith negotiating partners. Uh,
they're being forced more and more now by getting the
other Arab countries involved.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
There's more pressure on them than ever before.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
But they are going to continue to try and shift
and lie and say, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
We're right on board. But yeah, well maybe.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Just you know, half of the hostages and the bodies
and and the other ones later. I mean, they are
not going to just roll over and disappear. And again
remember you know, and this is why all our crazy
allies in Western Europe and a bunch of people in
America too, you know, saying oh, we just need a
(05:15):
two state solution. Well, Israel has agreed to the two
state solution multiple times, has given the territory for it
to happen, and every time the Palestinians reject it, they
say not no, but heck no, there's only one solution
that's one state, and it doesn't include any Jews, and
(05:35):
they all need to go.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Preferably feet first. You know.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
That's the reality of what Hamas believes and is trying for,
not to mention staying alive and keeping the billions of
dollars that they grifted off of their own peoples from
the AID.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That's been given.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
The leaders of Hamas are not legitimate negotiat partners, so
I guess we're trying. But I'm telling you the only
way is going to happen is to get rid of
all those guys. And even that's not gonna make everybody
go way, no, no, no, this is, this is it's not. Yeah,
(06:16):
I'm not ready to celebrate as you could.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah no no no no.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
But I mean you left me like fifteen things to unpack,
and so we can do them one at a time.
The only thing I would ask is make the answers
a little quicker so we can get them all in.
But I'll never forget when Barack Obama was negotiating the
end of the Afghan war, and he was doing so
with a Taliban, the cause of the war. So you know,
the fact that we're even having talks with Hamas is
(06:42):
a bit self defeating. There should be no place for Hamas.
The problem is, though not only did was Hamas in control,
and that's why all that suffering came in Palestine and
they chose to invade Israel. I suspect the people of
Palestine might still choose Hamas, So I don't you know,
but yeah, You're right. They don't even see Israel's right
(07:04):
to exist. There should be no place at the table
for them. That's unacceptable. They are somewhat defeated. They need
to be completely defeated, sent back to Iran. I'd like
to see some kind of Arab control. I mean, there
are three types of Mohammed, therefore we have three types
of Muslims. But for the peace loving reasonable ones, if
they were in charge to hold back the radicals for
(07:25):
a while, it won't be forever. That might make sense.
But why are we even talking with Hamas. That's like
negotiating with the Taliban. They're only going to come back.
And that's why I didn't like that in the twenty
one point piece plan that they can disarm and stay
until they regroup an attack again.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I mean, they're not going to change their stripes. No,
not at all. That they are not going to change.
That is their determined position.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
And if they give that up the day they give
the last hostage back, they know their post. They know
Israel is gonna maybe not this week, but eventually Israel
is going to get them. They know that. They also
know Israel will come and take the money away from
them because they can do that kind of stuff too.
(08:09):
And you know, these guys are are rats trapped in
a corner. They are going to fight until they die.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I I would say it this way. We had this
whole long talk about conspiracy theories, and I think I
think it's all birthed and mistrust. We don't trust our government,
we don't trust the medical community, we don't trust politicians,
we don't trust the media, we don't trust each other.
So in the spirit of mistrust, and then journalism's dead,
so we don't get news from newspapers or networks that can.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Have some accountability.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It used to be partisan biased, but not you know, crazy,
And now everything's on the internet and everything is wild conspiracy.
And I'm fascinated to what becomes a conspiracy theory, what
doesn't who's susceptible to these things?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Who are not?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I saw the Democrat Party develop an anti is Real
position from universities to Washington, d C. I'm seeing something
birth similar to that in the far right of the
Republican Party by way of old media personalities now on
the internet. Why is it important for America to stand
by Israel? And how hard is that going to be
(09:21):
for the next president, not this one, but for the
next one.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
First of all, it's one hundred percent imperative that we
stand by Israel. They are our only true ally in
the region. They're the only country there with like values
and morals to us, and they come through when other
countries don't. Now I'm not saying they're not a puppet.
(09:49):
They don't follow everything we tell them to do, nor
should they.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They're a sovereign nation.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
But if we turn our backs on them, just from
a political stand point, it's it's stupid, it's self defeating,
and it's wrong. From if anybody reads the Bible, you know,
there's more danger to turning your back on them.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, we're gonna do that. We're gonna do We're gonna
do that next half hour. But how embolden would Islam be?
First come Saturday, then come Sunday. The great Satan is America.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
If they if they get past Israel, you're next, and
they might all unite.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I mean, it would be apocalyptic.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
It would be this idea that Israel is not just
fighting for their self protection, they're fighting for the protection
of the entire civilized world, the Western world. However you
want to put that, that's who they're fighting for. They're
fighting for us, and we need to acknowledge that, and
we need to assist them, not hamper them, and darn
(10:50):
sure not blame them for what happened, by the way
two years ago today, I.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Know, and I don't have to tell you where the
conspiracy theories go. I mean, right now, there's some leading
voices trying to point Israel took out Charlie Kirk, just
like they took out Bright part, you know, demonizing of
Israel and America's support of Israel.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And I.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Don't know what creates the void that allows that in,
but we've certainly lost sight.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Sometimes it's even our compassion.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I mean, I don't like seeing people suffer the Palestinian
territors ory, but they should have They shouldn't have the
Islamist aspirations to choose them as as their leaders, and
I think they would choose.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Them again right now.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
So how often the long in the short Stephen Boochie
joining us from the Heritage Foundation, How likely is this
to lead anywhere? And are we really going to rush
something that feels like it's it when it's not so
we can reach the Nobel Peace Prize deadline? I mean,
is that the new goal over lasting peace in Israel? I?
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Sure, hope not. It is a potential. It's something we
need to be cautious about. We need to watch both
in our public pronouncements and our prayers. We need to
not allow that to happen. That would be disastrous. And
I don't think Israel is going to let it happen
because they do know the accurate relationship with Hamas and
(12:18):
they realize they're gonna have to finish this or they're
just going to be doing it again. Maybe not next week,
but in a month, two months, six months, who knows,
but it'll come again.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
The White House says everyone is on board for the
framework of President Trump's Godza peace plan. Steven I wasn't
born yesterday. In fact, I was born three hundred and
sixty five times sixty one. Yesterday's ago. No way, a way,
not honestly anyway. It's it's hard to get excited, but
(12:52):
we'll see.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
I think there's more people on board today than we've
had before, especially in the last couple of years. But
the key one is Hamas is not yet on board.
They may say that, but they are not. And that's
the rub that's where this thing is unfortunately probably gonna
stumble and fall, and I hope we're ready to respond
(13:16):
to that and not be surprised by it. But you know,
President Trump's not that big an idealist. I think he's uh,
you know, he may be pushing it, that's what he's
hoping for, but I don't think he believes it's that easy.
He did send his son, a son in law that
you know, did the whole Abraham Accords, uh, and he
(13:38):
you know, wasn't going to get in government again, so
he's bringing out a bigger gun to try and help
with this. But I'm still very pessimistic, Michael.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
But praying fervently for peace for Israel. Stephen Bucci, always
a pleasure to talk to you with your analysis of
the peace talks in Egypt. Thanks so much for joining us.
God bless you, colonel. All right, twenty minutes after the hour.
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There's a couple of stories no one's talking about, and
they should be. Maine investigating a claim that bundles of
ballance ended up in a woman's Amazon order. So now
we're using absentee ballance for Amazon packing. Apparently, well, how
did this happen? The town of Ellsworth reported that this
to the state last week, that it was missing shipment
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Do we find them?
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At a woman's home forty miles away reportedly finding the
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you can't make this up. Or how about this? The
Biden FBI spied on eight GOP senators and you got
the documents. You can stare right at them today. Anybody
(16:18):
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Speaker 3 (16:20):
You're a line dog faced pony soldier.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I mean, I always use this expression, way worse than Watergate,
and not only is it going to lead to any
kind of scandal, any kind of resignation, any kind of
fail safe to keep this from happening again. Nobody's even
talking about it. The FBI has secretly obtained the phone
(16:45):
records of nine Republican members of Congress, including eight sitting senators,
out of the Biden administration, as part of Arctic Frost
investigation into the twenty twenty election meddling. This document surface,
and based on the evidence to date, are Frost and
related weaponization by the federal law enforcement under Biden was
arguably worse than Watergate. Grassley says in a formal statement,
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I guess so what gets me, Michael, is how did
they lose?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It's still lost.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I mean Lindsey Graham, Haggarty from Tennessee, Sullivan, Tommy Tupperville,
Marsha Blackburn, Mike Kelly. Not a peep crickets today on
both stories.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
But it is day seven of the shutdown.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
This is Steve the Wrestler, a refugee from the People's
Republic of Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
And my morning show is your Morning show with Michael
del John home.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
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listen live, but are grateful you're here now for the podcast.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
This is your morning show on the Aaron streaming live
on your iHeart Radio. App Honored and humbled to serve you.
I am Michael del Jeronald Jeffrey, serving us all up
with sound Red, keeping an eye on the content, and
I'm so glad you're here for this. Very moment doesn't
happen often enough, but when it does, I like to
acknowledge the fate of the moment. I can't think of
any subject that is more important right now to talk about,
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and I can't think of any better person to talk
with about it than Pastor Alan Jackson from the World
Outreach Center. It is two years the anniversary of the
Hamas attack on Israel. Why does America stand with Israel?
Why would believers stand with the Jewish people. This needs
to be looked at, not from the wild, wild Internet
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west of conspirac se theories, but from biblical text, from
a historical accurate perspective, and from a geopolitical perspective. And
I have found no one that explains it better than
Pastor Allan Jackson. He's the unofficial pastor of your morning show.
Good morning, Pastor, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Good more than Michael, It's good to be with you today.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You know, I know that you were friends, did some
things with Charlie Kirk and were shocked and saddened by
his assassination. Already, the Internet's turned that into there was
a trap door, it was a hologram.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Shots came from different places.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
We have two big names that used to be in
the media that are now untethered on the Internet getting
ready to lay this right at the feet of Israel.
And the Masad took out Charlie Kirk like they did Breitbart.
You know, dada, YadA, YadA. We have the craziness of
conspiracy theory. And I have people emailing me. You must
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as pastor, their own sons are buying into this, their
own daughters or their spouse. We shouldn't be supporting Israel anymore.
We've been lied to. So let's take this first from
a biblical perspective. Let's understand the Jewish people and our
past and our present and our future with them as
Christians versus the Israeli government. From a biblical perspective, Why
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should Christians stand by the Jewish people.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
That's a great question. Maybe we start with the first one.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
There's a lie out there that modern Israel has no
connection to biblical Israel, and to believe that you just
have to have a profound lack of awareness of scripture.
There's clearly a connection promoth prophetically in the New Testament,
in Jesus' own teaching and imagination.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
So that's just false narrative.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Now we get confused because the modern nation of Israel,
not everything they do politically, not every.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
Decision they make is godly.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Every sin you can find in Middle Tennessee, you can
find in Jerusalem and certainly in Tel Aviv. Right, So
sometimes we hold Israel to some standard that we don't
hold Chicago to, and that makes no sense. But biblically,
if you're a christ follower, if you're a person of
the book, we owe a tremendous debt to the Jewish people.
In Romans chapter nine, Paul said without the Jewish people,
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we would have no prophets, we would have no covenants,
we would have no law, we would have no scripture,
we would have no Messiah. So we owe a profound
debt to the Jewish people. That's not to say every
decision they make is right, every political activity they engage
in is appropriate. But we are absolutely, without question and
debted to them for our spiritual heritage.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I'm not surprised. I doubt you're going to be when
I ask you the question. There was a time not
long ago where a sitting administration did not support Israel.
One of the two parties had an Israel problem because
a good portion of their party takes si with the
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radical Islamists over the Jewish people. And now we're seeing
the seeds of even in the far right, this notion
of turning America against Israel. How spiritual is that versus
just social dilemma and craziness on the internet. Is there
something afoot? How long will America stand by Israel? And
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why should it and what happens if it stops?
Speaker 9 (22:29):
Well, I think, like most things, absolutely, I think there's
a spiritual foundation to the question, but it's also multicaceted.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Our schools have failed us.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
Our universities are in doctrination centers, they're not places to
exchange ideas and learn. And our churches have failed us.
They haven't taught about the significance of the Jewish people
and Israel and our debt to that. So now we
find ourselves in this toxic soup where there's a spirit.
Anti Semitism is driven by the same spirit that hates Christians.
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It's the spirit of Antichrist. It hates the purposes of
God and the earth. It's the Egyptians murdering babies. It's
Herod killing babies in Bethlehem. It's the Holocaust, and now
we see it raging on our formerly elite university campuses.
I refuse to call them a leite any longer. You know,
these students screaming for free Palestine from the river to
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the sea. It's a call for the genocide of the
Jewish people. And so the church has a role to
play in this, not just to sit in our buildings
and enjoy our favorite worship music and our favorite parables
from Scripture, but to engage our culture with the truth.
If we don't stand up for the people of God,
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they will come to our doors. They've already hunted Charlie.
And if we think it's not coming to the house
where we live, we failed to recognize history and we're
not paying attention to the season we're living it. It's
not frightening to me. It's an opportunity. Yeah, I think when
the enemy is agitated, it's because of the potential that
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we possess to make an impact in our world.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
So let's get focused on the potential.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Pastor Allen Jackson joining us in the World Outreach Center,
they stood with Israel this Sunday. Andrew and I were
honored to be there, and I recommend everybody go look
up that sermon online. It was spectacular. There are probably
a lot of people that are hearing their kids come
back from college or off the internet with the argument
that the Jewish people are not the chosen people anymore,
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not since Christ. I mean, there's so many different ones.
I almost struggled with do I really want to do
these one by one with you? And then the more
over bigger question is what should parents do if I mean,
obviously they're not getting that grounding in scripture from their church.
They might want to find a different church. But I
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do think you have to, as an act of will,
fix your mind on God's word and not the latest
trends on TikTok or social media. But what would you
say to people out there, especially for that one, even
that they're not the chosen people anymore?
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Well, God, there's no choice. That God chose the Jewish people,
he made a covenant with them. Through them, he delivered
his redemptive purposes to the whole earth. Now there's a
stream of church history that grew up that said after
that God rejected the Jewish people, but that's refuted multiple
times in the Book of Romans. In our New Testament,
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it's bad theology. God's faithfulness to the Jewish people is
the evidence that he'll be faithful to you and me and.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Keeping his covenant with us.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
In fact, the Book of Romans says that we've been
grafted in to that original tree, so that tree wasn't
uprooted and put in the fire. We are beneficiaries of
that roots of that Judeo Christian heritage that we have.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
In the Bible.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
What I want to say to the families is you
can't give to your children something you don't have, So
you have to begin to read your Bible on a
regular basis, a systematic basis. I'm encouraging people this fall
wherever I can, to have one meal together as a family,
around the table every week, no devices. It's like a
wellness check. Tell me what you've cried about since we
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were here last. What have you celebrated since we were
here last. Talk about what's happening in our world. Talk
about Charlie's assassination. Talk about the second anniversary of October
the seventh.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
You'll, if you will start.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
You can't wait till your kids come back from college
to start to teach them the truth. You want to
send them away from your home. Fully prepared. Parenting is
a training release program. If you don't train them before
you release them, they're going to come back little pagans.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You see, it seems to me, Pastor, like we're in
a new mentality and and I know how we got here,
at the abandonment of absolute truth, his way, his truth,
his life for moral relativism a theory.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's emotion based, it's not fact based.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Now we have built mistrust in government and the medical
world and politicians and the media. Heck, we don't even
trust each other. It is a perfect storm for anything
goes kind of a thing. But why are I'm just curious,
why are some people more susceptible to these conspiracy theories
over truth than others.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Have you ever put your finger on it?
Speaker 8 (27:26):
I have a theory, but this is your world more
than mine.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
Those of us who stand outside the mainstream media have
accused them of chasing ideologies or chasing advertisers. They want
to keep their corporate masters happy. And I think in
the new media realm now, we're seeing people clicks. They
chase clicks. Yeah, so they want sensational headlines, and they'll
take conspiracy theories on because for a few moments or
(27:50):
a few hours, it'll increase the number of clicks they get.
And we're trading our character and integrity for a broader platform.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
It's unfortunate.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
As parents, if this is happening to you, I don't
think you engage in the debate. I like what you
just described. That's what I counseled someone to do. If
your kids or your wife are coming at you with
these conspiracy theories, you know, whatever it is. If it's
the world is flat, okay, it's flat. Still, how was
your week. You know, what did you celebrate? What did
you cry about? You know, I guess not engage in it,
(28:23):
right because we have this mentality lose one debate and
then we convert kind of a thing, and that's all
it takes to convert somebody to a conspiracy theory, when
if there is the foundation and all the background in
the information, it just doesn't seem to have that same effect.
But I can't quite figure out where it's coming from.
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I just know that it's building and it's affecting some
people greatly. Well.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
I think if we imagine that the Bible gives us
a presentation of objective truth, I think the attack is
on objective truth. You know, you don't have to say
you're male or female. You have thirty six other options,
which is patently absurd. You know, if somebody says they
don't believe in gravity, I don't argue with them. You know,
it will become abundantly apparent if they just live, have
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enough birthdays, and if the parents then if we will
just educate ourselves in the biblical truth and not apologize
for it, not be ashamed of it, but I'd be
heavy handed with it. We don't have to be dictatorial.
It's true, and the truth will come to the surface,
and so when somebody presents them. We've been afraid of
the conversations. We've been afraid someone's gonna use fancy language
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and convince us that we're wrong.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
And I'm like, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
God created us male and female, and I'm not angry
about people that are confused about that. I have compassion
on them, but their confusion doesn't confuse me. My father
was a veterinarian. I've seen lots of things born, calves
and foals and kittens and puppies. There's never any confusion
at the point of arrival what they are. And so
we're going to have the courage to believe our bibles
and like, it's true.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Again, that's because your dad was a veterinary. My best
friend got a cat that I said was a girl.
He named it a girl's name Eleanor, and it turned
out to be a boy. Now he's hobby, so I'll
but that's the difference. Bottom line. Put a ribbon on this.
Let's get rid of movements and theories and just get
to the text of scripture. What would you challenge any
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believers that are struggling with supporting Israel to go read
and fill their mind equally with Roman be the biggest.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah, I'd read Romans nine, ten, and eleven. You
read those three chapters and you'll get Paul's argument. But
I think there's an important point today, Michael. It's not
the question you asked, but this is the second anniversary
of the October seventh attack, and Israel was in a
very precarious position that day.
Speaker 8 (30:51):
They were being attacked by.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Hamas in the north, in the south, has Bala in
the north, had hundreds of thousands of the rainy and
Russian made missiles, and Iran was threatening them with the
nuclear potential. Two years later, Hamas is almost totally eradicated,
hezbe Lah has been tremendously weakened, and Iranian nuclear capabilities
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for the moment have been sidelined. Those things were impossible
two years ago. Now there are still hostages in those
awful tunnels, right And the story isn't finished yet. But
the outcome two years later is an expression of the
power of God and the mercy of God. In spite
of opposition from the United States and the United Nations
and the global community, God is faithful to his promises
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in the earth. He'd be faithful to the ones he's
made to the Jewish people, and he'll be faithful to
the ones he's made to us.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
He's trustworthy.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Pastor Alan Jackson World Outreach, Jenner, thanks for joining us,
and I encourage people to go to your website and
hear the sermon from Sunday that would have been October fifth.
I think he'll give you a lot of powerful truths.
And I appreciate your church and inviting us and standing
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It's your morning show with Michael Del Chorno.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Love getting your emails at Michael D at iHeartMedia dot com.
Michelle writes, finally, finally, exclamation point, exclamation point. I have
waited for Pastor Allen to be on your show for years.
Thank you for sharing his biblical insight with your listeners.
I have attended World Outreach and listen to him speak
the truth all the time. Michelle, Michelle, I would tell
you this, and I didn't do this in the introduction.
(33:37):
I can think of very few people no longer with
us that I respect more than Alan Jackson. I can
think of no one else alive I respect more than
Alan Jackson. He is again, if some of you are
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struggling to get the truth in the church you're in,
you know, keep going to your church, stay involved in
your church, or find a better one. But you know,
you can always watch his sermons once a week, two
Tuesday night. There's no sports Tuesday night, watch them them.
There is no greater teacher of the Gospel than Alan Jackson.
Could not hold him in higher regard. Google subway hopping.
(34:27):
I read the story of two girls who died from
subway hopping in New York. I guess this is some
new trend now on the internet. It's a new TikTok tra.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
I just saw a video and it's quite bad, bad,
bad that and we're golfing scalding hot noodles.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Little subway surfing.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
We got to get these phones out of our hands.
You know what, rory Amazon Prime Day today. I had
such a bad experience with Amazon last time we had
an Amazon Prime Day. Well, because I was talking to
you about it and then I was like, I don't
even care about it. So I went and looked and
there were some puma golf shoes. I went to buy
them ten and a half size that came size six.
(35:05):
That went on three times, and it keeps setting them
back and then final they didn't even get the sale price.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I'm done.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
But how big is Amazon Prime Day besides getting.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Ballots like they do run. Yeah, well, when you add.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
Up July and October events, it could be about twenty
twenty five billion in total retail and there look, there
are more and more of these issues popping up when
it comes to people jacking up the price than cutting
it so it looks like a Prime Day deal. So
there are those price tracker apps that you are encouraged
to use so that if those Puma golf shoes say, oh,
(35:40):
thirty five percent off, well really they were. They're not
at the same price they were last week, except that
yesterday they artificially jacked up the price to cut it.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
And there's more of that happening as well.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
So use price trackers like Camelcamelcamel dot Com or keep
a k ee Pa. You just put in the web
address of that specif item and it'll give you the
full price history, so you know if you're actually getting
a deal. And then, as you said, remember that Amazon
sellers aren't all Amazon, right, So Amazon sells a lot
(36:11):
of the products, the producers sell a lot of the products.
But there's a lot of these third parties that are
out there. So before you put something in your cart,
you know, double check, do some research on the history
of that seller. Make sure they have a good reputation,
otherwise there might be another one out there that might
be able to help you.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Then it used to be I know, we're done in
thirty seconds, But then it used to be only had
one of these a year.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
How many of these do we have? Now? Now it's two.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
And then they're being extended to multiple days. You get
July and October, and of course you know it's getting
into the holidays now O.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, we're supposed to be early Christmas shopping.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
I guess all right, well, i'll let you know what
mistake I make tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Rory O'Neil, great reporting.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
As always, we'll talk again tomorrow. All right, here's the
bottom line, One chance to live. Tuesday, October seventh, twenty
twenty five. I don't know if the world's flat. I
don't know if Charlie Kirk was a hologram. I know
you can go make a difference in someone's life in
Cherishers and we'll see.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
You in the morning.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
We're all in this together. This is your morning Show
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