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Speaker 4 (00:44):
You want to have some real fun, we could ask
David Bonson, our economist, who is also a theologia, how
socialism lines up with the Bible. I could probably go
for a walk before he was done talking from that question. Hey,
good morning. I can't believe it's Thursday. I can't believe
a week from now is Thanksgiving. I don't know where
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this year's went. I don't know where this life is gone.
I just know it's important we stay in the moment
and live it together or understand it together. That's the
journey we're on because we're all in this together. This
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Speaker 1 (01:18):
If you're just waking up.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
The President says he signed the bill to release the
Epstein files. Your expectations should be unclassified files will be
released by Pam Bondi over the next thirty days. I
don't know if they start trickling out, if they come
out in major dumps, we'll find out, and then we'll
see if this is a big nothing burger or this
same political weapon in a new form. Funeral services for
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the CMA. She was not only the host, she won
Entertainer of the Year, Artist of the Year. She racked
up It was very Linel Ritchie nineteen eighty five ish
with the dominance last night for Laney, and she looked
terrific as always. All right, we apparently still haven't closed
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the affordability gap. We have a Mom Donnie. Socialist revolution
from the left in progress. We got the president trying
to schlepp a dividend to people. I actually have conservatives
that listen to this show.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Speaking against.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Mom Donnie and taking someone else's money for free, which
is socialistic. The same people are saying, I'm all for
getting the rebate two thousand dollars. I need it, and
they don't see a conflict.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Go figure.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And then we did a journey of discovery on socialism
in general, and it's a killer of hard work. It
takes all incentive to work hard. It takes away, in essence,
all innovation that leaves with the work ethic. People don't
take risks. When people achieve the American dream, it's not
a solo effort. They tend to go on to employ
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many others. Ultimately, our government was formed to protect our
property rights. There is none with socialism. And you really
are ignoring ultimately God, history and reality. The utopian sale
of socialism is a historic failure. It's failing in real
time now in other countries. And then ultimately you're missing
what it results in, which is totalitarian control.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But I want to.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Talk to a theologian just for a second. David Bonnson
is joining us. It's far more important than some of
this economic stuff. How does socialism align with the Bible.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, it doesn't go on with the Bible at all.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
And yet the element on which many young Americans allegedly
find themselves attracting to socialism in terms of the intent,
not the policies, you should argue are bivooport. Which is
why I think there's such a great opportunity for those
of us of faith to start making economics seriously and
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teaching it as an important moral philosophy, as an important
social science, so that young people can see, Oh, wait
a second, you do care about poor people, You do
care what the dignity of the human person. When you
defend this thing called capitalism, you're not defending capital, You're
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defending human flourishing and capital as a tool towards enabling it.
Then they could have a chance to see that a
market economy and free enterprise is the more biblical solution.
So it's a tricky dynamic because socialism is nowhere to
be found in the Bible. Disdain for private property goes
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against the eighth Commandment, which says, now shalt not steal
the dignity of the individual, coming from God creating the
person in his image, goes against socialism, which finds our
dignity in our membership in a collect So there are
really easy biblical principles to use to tear down socialism's
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core tenants.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
But it's not enough.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
What we have to do is add the biblical declarations
that I believe for the enterprise that presents.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, I mean, then there's the big picture where God
is ultimately our supplier. I mean, the Lord's prayer is
very telling, give us this day our daily bread. Where
to depend on God for justice, depend on God for providing.
But you know, to your point, we saw during the
food snap, in the closing of the government disruption, it
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was really Christian organizations that started meeting that need. You
could make a case that they've been meeting the need
of the poor and prioritizing that government wouldn't have the
ability to step in and do it. But yeah, that
and I think it ignores something that you taught me,
which is we were really made to work, weren't we.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Well, we certainly were, And a lot of socialists would say, oh,
we're not against work, we just want all the rewards
of the work to be evenly distributed.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And of course that's where you.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Have to make the point that God made human beings
with reason and rational faculties, and humans respond to incentives.
And so if you believe in work is a source
of dignity as the intent God had for his people
because he loves us, not because he hates us, then
you have to question why would we want a system
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that removes the incentives for work. Incentives become a biblical thing.
And if you're interested in this type of thing, here's
this verse and this verse and this verse, because you know,
there's hundreds of verses that demonstrate the importance of incentives,
and so you're exactly right to start with the created
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purpose of work. And then I think the economic argument
is to come on top.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And this is what has.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Boggled my mind, Michael, for most of my adult life,
is that the Church seems to think economics this sort
of ugly, dismal science to avoid it's a little messy,
it talks about money, when in reality, what economics is
doing is making this very important spiritual point about the human.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Person, the love of money.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
In other words, when the rich young ruler came writing
up Jesus saw his heart and turned him away, because
when he told him to sell everything and follow me,
he knew that that was his utmost highest affection, that
was his god was money and things. That's why he
was really The love of money is the root of
all evil, But money itself is not the root of
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all evil.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
In fact, it.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Can be the root of all meeting other needs. So
that's the part that I think is probably most misunderstood
in the christendom, right.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yes, And I would like to point out I have
a whole chapter about this in my last book. It's
interesting how so many Christians set the line where they
think money is okay, right at the level they have
they happen to be at. You know, there's there's this
there's a certain level of convenience and lifestyle, and they say,
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you know, oh yeah, there's the people out there a
way too obsessive, as if somehow their lifestyle, which by
any other standard across the world would be considered quite comfortable,
and yeah, yeah, and and so you know, I think
that the Bible is pretty queer about the love of money,
about idolatry of money. But you know what else, the
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Bible is very clear about all idolatry. They also have
no other gods before me, And there are a lot
of Christians that have decided that the idol of money
is the one they're going to go after, and they
don't seem to have the same problem in idolizing other
things in their life. I think it has a certain
pharisaic wal tint to it.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
My younger brother so much smarter than me.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
This is David, and he happens to be a theologian
as well as an economist. You probably see him on
Fox Business and other business television shows. He comes out
with the Dividend Cafe every Friday. We'll talk more about
that in the minute. All right, let's do the part
that is our job today, and that is there does
seem to be the perception and reality, quite frankly, of
an affordability gap that still exists in the housing crisis
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that hasn't been solved.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Why and how could we solve it?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Well, the answer to all issues around affordability is the
supply side.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
The notion that government.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
If we're talking about policy, okay, the notion that you
fix affordability by the government setting with the price up
to be is one of the oldest ideas in the
book and perhaps the dumbest.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, the worst.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I think it's dumber coming from a Republican than a Democrat,
because Republicans would repeat, hook line and sinker every one
of the reasons why it's a dumb idea, and then
they would just dismiss all of their own principles when
it comes to these applications. And so the fact of
the matter is trying to mess with the stimulation of
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demand is completely unhelpful. What you need to get equilibrium
between for price, between supply and demand is increased supply.
That has never been more true than with housing than
with rental housing. More housing stock will push prices down.
(10:34):
We regulate the heck out of it, we tax the
heck out of it, we create zoning and permitting and
environmental impediments to it, and then we wonder why prices
are where they are. So it's a disaster. I don't
know why anyone thought it was going to get fixed
in a few months, And I don't know anyone thinks
it's going to get fixed by the White House, because
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it is not.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
This would be the closed Congress that is so functional
they can't even fund the government let alone solve the
revenue and economic issues. All right, So we head into
twenty twenty six, we haven't addressed that housing crisis with inventory.
We're starting to interest rates have not come down to
the point where boomers and others are going to let
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go of their houses to make a lateral move which
would free up inventory. And I think we might have
a bit of an energy issue in terms of that's
how groceries get to the grocery store, and that's only
going to get worse with AI. Those bills are starting
to rise already because we've got a huge user of
energy AI, but we don't have energy sources. So how
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does twenty twenty six look for you?
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Well, that's actually what dividing Cafe is going to be
about tomorrow. Not so much change by six, but just
the current state of the economy across those different categories
from affordability, prices, housing, job growth, et cetera. All these
things of course intersect in a way that's very important,
and I think as we go into twenty six, there's
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no question the most important issue politically, which is the
least of my concerns.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I mean, I'm bored out of my mind.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
With everybody politicizing everything economic, but the affordability issue will
be the biggest. But that's much bigger than what is
going on now where you know, what you're gonna see
is gas prices will go down, and everyone on team
Trump is going to say dunk on people saying, look
at us, and we brought gas prices down, and then
bacon prices will go up, and everyone on team Anti
(12:38):
Trump will go dunk on them, say, look at these
prices are so high and it's just so candescently stupid.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I can't handle it. First of all, for real people,
you can.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You know, they want eggs cheaper and bacon cheaper and
all that stuff. The issues housing, the issues housing, the
issues housing.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Okay, there's spending forty.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
To fifty percent of after taxing income on rent now
that young people with good jobs can't afford to buy
a home. I mean, that's the lowest thing free. And
then it does fiple into very important elements to the
economy because the more of your wallet care you're using
on housing, the less you're able to use on other issues.
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And then that disincentivizes production of new goods and services.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Right, and oh, by the way.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Let's just put the political and economic aside and talk
social and cultural for a moment. You know, what is
not good for the soul of our society is a
bunch of people spending so much money on their one
bedroom apartment that they don't have any money to ever
go out and hug their friends and dance and see
a movie and yeah, yeah, human.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Just being a human being.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
And I think we're getting more isolation and.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I am totally unwilling.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
To rule out that it's overpriced. Housing is a part
of that. I think it is, especially for pre married people.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I can tell you what the young generation, this is
the game changer. They don't think they're going to have
the ability to own a home, and that's why they're
tempted to believe in socialism that is a real brand.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
They're very fearful.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
People think they get AI, and most of them think
it's going to ultimately cost their job. In fact, it's
not to get to people that make over two hundred
thousand dollars a year that that fear goes down. So
the thought of AI taking over their job and their
plans for a job and the ability to own a home,
that's why people are stooping to the levels of thinking.
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This old utopian socialism suddenly makes sense.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
They're that desperate.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Dividend Cafe tomorrow, David Bondsen, go to Dividendcafe dot com.
It's a must study, must read every Friday. That's how
I know the weekend has begun when I start reading it. David,
Thank you so much, Thank you so much.
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Michael, always a pleasure, Oh mine, not yours. Hey.
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Capital more with top stories coming up. It appears to
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be shaping for twenty twenty six, let alone, maybe even
twenty twenty eight. It's socialism versus common sense or capitalism
which will win. Time will tell what's the future of
both major parties. So many questions we want to ask,
and we're delighted to have CNN senior contributor Scott Jennings
joining us to talk about his new book, A Revolution
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of common Sense.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Good morning, Scott, Hey Michael, good morning. Thanks for doing this.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
We're huge, huge fans.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
You know, my brother was a big fighter, and he
was maybe at his best when it was against three
or four people. That's your life every night, four on
one on CNN, and now you're out with your new book,
A Revolution of common Sense. I guess my first question is,
in this matrix we're living in, these silos of far
left and far right, the death of journalism, the social dilemma.
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Can common sense compete with these permanent, immediate, partisan dysfunctional
positions that we all stake every day.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Well, I think not only can it compete, it can succeed.
I mean, I think it's how Donald Trump won the
November twenty twenty four election. I think during the Biden years,
we were being fed a bunch of uncommon nonsense on
some cultural issues, on some governing issues, and you know,
you told things that you know not to believe your
own eyes.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
It just wasn't good common sense. And I think Trump.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
You know, he used the phrase is a revolution of
common sense in his inaugural address, but it really kind
of sums up the way he has rebranded the Republican
Party and the conservative movement. And because of that rebrand
he has been able to build what is, frankly a
wide and ideologically diverse political coalition. People who didn't vote
that much, maybe he never voted, people who didn't think
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of themselves as Republicans. Certainly they're not attracted to ideology,
They're attracted to common sense. And Trump sensed that himself,
and that's the title and branding that he's applied to it,
and it's worked quite well for him.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
And this is a very very compelling book because you
have access to very, very compelling people. I mean, that's
probably the most especially when we start thinking about who
we're going to pick in twenty twenty eight, you sit
down with all of them, Rubio, all the key players.
What in a pursuit of common sense or in a
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pursuit of understanding what this administration has accomplished.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
I wanted to understand President Trump's leadership and management style.
And I told him in February when I pitched him
on the book, that I thought one hundred people would
write books to grind axes and to just you know,
kind of crap on him, because.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
That's what they do.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
But I'm someone, look I want to understand. I support him.
You know, I'm a Republican, and you know, as you
know on CNN, I've been defensive of him when I
think he's come under unfair attack, which is almost on
a daily basis.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
But I think.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Someone who likes him and wants him to succeed should
get a chance to understand how this all works. And
so in pursuit of that, I talked to the President.
I was in the Oval Office, I flew on Air
Force one. I interviewed Marco Rubio, Scott Bess and Elon
musk Leezeld and the EPA administrator Doug Bergam at Interior,
some of his political advisors. And I came away, I think,
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with a pretty good understanding of how he manages the government,
but also of.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Donald Trump the person. I learned a lot about Trump.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
I hadn't spent really any time with him person at
all until I wrote this book, but honestly, I learned
a lot about him personally, and truthfully, I feel a
lot closer to him today than I think I ever have,
because I got a sense of who Donald Trump is
behind the scenes, and I think the caricature that is portrayed.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
In the media is not at all what you get
with Donald Trump. And that's what Bill Maher walked away
with right that same impression. Scott Jennings, senior political contributor
for CNN, author of the new book A Revolution of
Common Sense. When you spend time with the President, what
was different about him? Like what exceeded all your expectations
and what actually shocked you that was different than what
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you thought, Because I think everybody that meets him says,
you know, Bill Maher described it as this is his persona,
this is you know, the reality TV charactery place. But
when you're alone with him, very personable, very warm, very
on point. What did you take away?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
So personally I found the same thing. Very warm.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
He's sort of hospitality minded. You know, he's constantly soliciting people,
you know, do you need something to drink? When I
went with him to Michigan and he said, do you
want my hat? He like literally was trying to give
me the hat off his head, and I said, you know,
I don't, but I know someone who does, and it's
my dad. Because my dad was the first person to
ever tell me you were going to be the president.
And he said, oh, sounds like a smart guy. And
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he takes the hat off and signs it and hands
it to me. But he was very solicitous of people,
and also he's very engaging. You know, he'll get in
a room and there's all kinds of different people with
different reasons for being there, but he'll engage everyone in
a conversation. He's actually an active listener. He solicits people's opinions.
He listens to debates back and forth among his advisers.
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But he then he's also quite decisive, and I think
this is different than Biden, who was famously indecisive. Trump
is decisive, but he does absorb a lot of information
by listening to people kind of hash it out right
in front of him. He asked good questions. He does
have opinions, but you can't influence him. And he's listening
to these debates and I watched him kind of do this.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
With his advisors.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
But you know, once the decision is made, once the
boss has made the decision. The thing about his team
is everybody salutes and moves forward, and I think that's
one of the reasons they've been able to move so quickly.
He's got a team in place that truly matches his
management style. And there's really nobody in here who isn't
willing to execute on the president's agenda. They put their
own views aside. Once the president makes a decision, they
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go and execute.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
We have so little time, and I have so much
I want to talk to you about. I come from
a biblical perspective, so that really guides my policy views.
But then I'm a great student of history, great student
of policies, and that's how I arrived. So I kind
of became And I was very influenced by the Reagan administration,
obviously because of my age. So like you who worked
for George W. Bush, I was a Bush fan. There
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were things I disagreed with immigration issues that I had
some of the war issues. But you know, the journey
to Trump has been so different, and I think i'd
be interested to know how your take is. Barack Obama
was all style, no substance. Joe Biden was no substance,
door style. Donald Trump is all substance, and sometimes his
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style is controversial. Where do you put him in recent
history with presidents, and what do you think his legacy
will be.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Well, I think it's the greatest political comeback in modern
American political history.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
That's number one.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
Number two, I think replacing him, well, somebody has to
replace him, but nobody can replicate him. And number three, look,
I think he and I told him this in February.
I thought he revolutionized political campaigning and I thought he
was about to revolutionize governing. I think it's the most
active presidency frankly since FDR, certainly the most active presidency
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in modern American history. I think part of the strategy
was I'm going to put so much in the water
here that I'm going to overwhelm the opposition. I'm going
to show up and I'm going to I know that
I've got Democrats against me, the media, and the entrench
federal bureaucracy. The only choice to file back is to
overwhelm it. And that's frankly what he did. In the
first hundred days. They didn't know what to do. He
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puts so much out there that they did not know
what to do, and it really worked to his benefit.
But it's an active presidency. And I think the next
president you'll never replicate Donald Trump. But some of the
lessons here are you don't have to obey old arrangements.
The worst thing you can tell Donald Trump is well,
we've never done it that way before. He does not
respect that phrase, and I don't think the next president
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will either. That'll be an enduring legacy here of him,
just the active use of the presidency. If you're not
willing to be hemmed in by the way somebody did
it twenty years ago, you can operate quite freely in.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
The office of the president.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
The book is called a Revolution of Common Sense. CNN
senior political contributor is joining us, Scott Jennings Scott Trump
arrangement syndrome.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Does this go away after Trump's gone? Well, it'll never
go away. But what will happen is it will morph
into this. Whoever we nominate next, whether it's Vance or anybody,
the contract will be, oh, you know, this is actually
worse than Trump. So it'll be like worse than Trump
derangement syndrome. Everything that Vance or Rubio or whoever does next,
The next iteration is, oh, this boy, well this is
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worse than Trump. I look, I worked for George W.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Bush.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
I'm old enough to remember when they called him annats.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
When they said he was racist, when they said he
was an authoritarian war criminal that needed to be thrown
you know, in the Hague somewhere. Now you have Democrats saying,
oh oh, for the days of George W.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Bush. You know, they'll do the same thing to Trump.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
The next person, by definition, will have to be worse
than Trump.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
It's the only thing they know how to do.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Call you a Nazi today and then call your your
successor worse than you tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
It's the only thing Democrats know how to do. I've
been living with it for twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Oh and you've been living on set on CNN. All right.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
So if the Democrats have problems, they have a civil
war the socialist and I think there's an Islamist element
in there. Two Socialist Islamist, and they'll start fighting amongst themselves.
One wants to use the Democrat Party to get to socialism,
One authentically wants to use socialism to get to an
Islama state.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That'll all play out.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
That's like a parasite, and when it kills the host,
it dies with it. So I don't know what the
future the Democrat Party is. But do are Republicans have
bit blindsided? Could there be a big establishment versus Trumpism battle,
or is there a smooth handoff to trump Ism because
these wins have not been Republican, they've been Orange trump Ism.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Yeah, it's an interesting question about what happens next to
both parties. I mean, I think Trump has changed the
coalition of the Republican Party, but it is the nature
of presidential campaigns and presidencies to be unique. I mean,
who replaced Barack Obama? For the Democrats, who replaced Bill Clinton?
You know who replaced George W.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Bush.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
When you're a two term president, you know a lot
of what you build is unique to you.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
So we'll see.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
How Jade Vance, if he's the nominee, what kind of
imprint he wants to put on the party. I think
he may have some different policy views than do Trump,
and that may change the coalition. On the Democratic side.
I think it's clear all the energy in their party
is with the socialist wing. Bernie Sanders is the intellectual godfather,
AOC is kind of the head of it operationally, and
you look at Mom Donnie, who's now the most popular
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Democrat in the country. It's all this strain of energetic socialism,
people who think America is rotten at its core and
then it needs to be ripped out, root and branch
and replaced with something very, very different. I'll be shocked,
shocked if they don't nominate someone in twenty eight who
isn't more from the socialist wing.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Well, it seems like Bernie has all but handed the
torch to AOC. Everybody's anticipating her running for the Senate
and getting rid of Chucky.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I think she's running for president. I think she'll be
an early leader. I agree with you.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
I think I think you have the ambitious political wing
led by Newsom.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
But the true energy, the true energy.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Of the left right now is with AOC and the socialists.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
And look there, look at look at the polling.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
You have more Democrats who think better of socialism than
they do of capitalism.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
That's where their hearts are.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
And that you know, the establishment Democrats fought this off
in sixteen, and they fought it off again in twenty
twenty in their nominating contest. But I don't think they'll
be able to fight it off in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
O to be Lelly King, and have Scott Jennings for
the full LAUA, but I don't have that so closing moments.
We're huge fans of yours. I love I kind of
view you. Everybody was a little over the top, but
I mean everybody kind of discovered Charlie Kirk. You've kind
of lived that in legacy media. You're behind enemy lines
every day with four people, five people coming at you,
(29:33):
a lot of the major you know, political operatives, and
you just do amazing. That makes you like a Charlie
Kirk in the media. What's next for you and what
do you enjoy more? Because I love you right where
you're at, and I'm wondering how that compares to like
your new radio show, which is what I'm kind of
stuck in. I would love to go behind enemy lines
(29:54):
and win hearts and minds or stand up for the truth.
I remember when Elizabeth Hasselbeck was in that situation on
the view. It's a lot of weight you carry and
you shine at your best. What's the future look like
for you?
Speaker 7 (30:06):
Well, I'm quite happy with my life and I'm quite
pleased with CNN. They've given me a great platform, and
I think this debating show that we do they deserve
great credit. Most cable is just six people sitting around
agreeing with each exactly. We're actually having debates. And everywhere
I go out here one of two things. I love
you and I love the debates, or I don't like you,
but I love the debates. People like debates. I can't
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believe there aren't more debating shows on. But I think
I was put on this earth to debate and maybe
be a pilgrim in on holy land, so that I'm
going to keep doing for the time being.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
And what about office out of it? What about office?
We'll see. I just turned forty eight. I got time
on that.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I agree, Scott.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I think the book is tremendous access to all the
people that are leading our country right now and all
the people that our country, half of our country caught
the matrix is re bolting against, and I think buried
in the midst of that is our way out, which
is this document two hundred and fifty years ago that
we're about to celebrate a birthday and a whole lot
of common sense, and maybe the revolution has begun, a
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revolution of common sense. Scott Jennings, A book we encourage
everyone to get. Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Appreciate this.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Honored by the conversation. Thank you, Servia.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I am so excited that God has opened the store
and Scott's going to be on a lot in the future.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It's going to be a.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Great arrow in our quiver. Scott Jennings, CNN Senior Contributor.
Check out the book A Revolution of Common Sense.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It's your morning show with Michael del Journo.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
The President will not be attending former Vice President Dick
Cheney's funeral today in our nation's capital. President Trump has
signed quietly no one got to witness the Epstein File bill,
but what is the expectation of its release? And the
President is also reportedly signed off on a Russian Ukraine
peace plan. This a twenty eight point plan by the
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same makers of the twenty one point plan for the
Middle East.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Now with the twenty.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Eight point plan for Russia and Ukraine, and it's got
concessions in it, which has some people believing Roory O'Neil
or National correspondent, this could be dead on arrival from
a Ukrainian perspective.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Well right, because essentially it means that Russia would get
all of the don Bas region on the eastern side
of Ukraine that Russia controls about eighty five percent of
it now, but it would give the whole region over
to Russia control. There would also be a demilitarized zone there.
But then there are other things like putting in a
Russian church in Kiev, making Russia one of the official
(32:37):
languages of Ukraine. Ukraine would have to give up half
of its military and pledge not to have any long
range missiles. And while that would also include then some
guarantees from Europe and the US to guarantee Ukraine's safety,
that's a little bit vague here too. So President Zelensky's
going to need an awful lot of arm twisting to
(32:58):
agree to this.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah, we all knew there's going to have to be
some tough concessions. Listen, and you know, we talk all
the time about Russia's not winning this war. Nobody sees
how they can win this war, but they're not stopping.
Somebody needs to rise up and go, guess what. Ukraine's
not winning this war either, And nor is there anybody
that thinks that Ukraine is going to defeat the Soviet
Union and take over the Soviet Union. So at some
point to find peace Before somebody wins, there's going to
(33:21):
be concessions. But this is a lot of concessions, not
the least of which is Europe isn't going to really
like this.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I mean, this is cultural.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Creep, language, creep, territory creep, and they're afraid that creep's
going to.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Reach them right the same way in the nineteen thirties, right,
this appeasement happening, and there really doesn't appear to be
any punishment for Russia in this twenty eight point plan
where you'll let Russia sort of take over parts of
a sovereign nation on their own and they get rewarded
for it, perhaps controlling the largest nuclear power plant in
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all of Europe.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
As a result, well, Russia is isolated, they're financially strained, obviously,
they're using a lot of North Korean troops, but losing
a lot of life. I mean, I'm sure they wanted
to end. The President gave them an off ramp they
didn't take. Now, a twenty eight point plan that has
everything for Russia, and I think it's too much concessions
(34:15):
for Ukraine. I don't know, Roy, There's not a lot
of optimism that this is These twenty eight point plans
going anywhere.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
Right, Well, unless you say this is the springboard, this
is where we start, and let's start to have negotiations
back and forth.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
But there's going to have to be I hope this
twenty eight point plan is written in pencil, really good eraser.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
By the way President signed the bill, I thought it
was interesting that he signs every bill with the press.
President he didn't do that. It happened, and then he
just announced it on social media. The expectation now is
for Pambondi to release all unclassified records related to EPSTEAM
within thirty days. We don't know how quickly that comes
or if it comes in a major dump. Great reporting
is always rory.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
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Speaker 4 (00:44):
You want to have some real fun, we could ask
David Bonson, our economist, who is also a theologia, how
socialism lines up with the Bible. I could probably go
for a walk before he was done talking from that question. Hey,
good morning. I can't believe it's Thursday. I can't believe
a week from now is Thanksgiving. I don't know where
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I just know it's important we stay in the moment
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Speaker 1 (01:18):
If you're just waking up.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
The President says he signed the bill to release the
Epstein files. Your expectations should be unclassified files will be
released by Pam Bondi over the next thirty days. I
don't know if they start trickling out, if they come
out in major dumps, we'll find out, and then we'll
see if this is a big nothing burger or this
same political weapon in a new form. Funeral services for
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former Vice President Dick Cheney are set today in our
nation's capital, and Landy Wilson was the big winner at
the CMA. She was not only the host, she won
Entertainer of the Year, Artist of the Year. She racked
up It was very Linel Ritchie nineteen eighty five ish
with the dominance last night for Laney, and she looked
terrific as always. All right, we apparently still haven't closed
(02:05):
the affordability gap. We have a Mom Donnie. Socialist revolution
from the left in progress. We got the president trying
to schlepp a dividend to people. I actually have conservatives
that listen to this show.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Speaking against.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Mom Donnie and taking someone else's money for free, which
is socialistic. The same people are saying, I'm all for
getting the rebate two thousand dollars. I need it, and
they don't see a conflict.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Go figure.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And then we did a journey of discovery on socialism
in general, and it's a killer of hard work. It
takes all incentive to work hard. It takes away, in essence,
all innovation that leaves with the work ethic. People don't
take risks. When people achieve the American dream, it's not
a solo effort. They tend to go on to employ
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many others. Ultimately, our government was formed to protect our
property rights. There is none with socialism. And you really
are ignoring ultimately God, history and reality. The utopian sale
of socialism is a historic failure. It's failing in real
time now in other countries. And then ultimately you're missing
what it results in, which is totalitarian control.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But I want to.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Talk to a theologian just for a second. David Bonnson
is joining us. It's far more important than some of
this economic stuff. How does socialism align with the Bible.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, it doesn't go on with the Bible at all.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
And yet the element on which many young Americans allegedly
find themselves attracting to socialism in terms of the intent,
not the policies, you should argue are bivooport. Which is
why I think there's such a great opportunity for those
of us of faith to start making economics seriously and
(04:01):
teaching it as an important moral philosophy, as an important
social science, so that young people can see, Oh, wait
a second, you do care about poor people, You do
care what the dignity of the human person. When you
defend this thing called capitalism, you're not defending capital, You're
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defending human flourishing and capital as a tool towards enabling it.
Then they could have a chance to see that a
market economy and free enterprise is the more biblical solution.
So it's a tricky dynamic because socialism is nowhere to
be found in the Bible. Disdain for private property goes
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against the eighth Commandment, which says, now shalt not steal
the dignity of the individual, coming from God creating the
person in his image, goes against socialism, which finds our
dignity in our membership in a collect So there are
really easy biblical principles to use to tear down socialism's
(05:06):
core tenants.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
But it's not enough.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
What we have to do is add the biblical declarations
that I believe for the enterprise that presents.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, I mean, then there's the big picture where God
is ultimately our supplier. I mean, the Lord's prayer is
very telling, give us this day our daily bread. Where
to depend on God for justice, depend on God for providing.
But you know, to your point, we saw during the
food snap, in the closing of the government disruption, it
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was really Christian organizations that started meeting that need. You
could make a case that they've been meeting the need
of the poor and prioritizing that government wouldn't have the
ability to step in and do it. But yeah, that
and I think it ignores something that you taught me,
which is we were really made to work, weren't we.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Well, we certainly were, And a lot of socialists would say, oh,
we're not against work, we just want all the rewards
of the work to be evenly distributed.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And of course that's where you.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Have to make the point that God made human beings
with reason and rational faculties, and humans respond to incentives.
And so if you believe in work is a source
of dignity as the intent God had for his people
because he loves us, not because he hates us, then
you have to question why would we want a system
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that removes the incentives for work. Incentives become a biblical thing.
And if you're interested in this type of thing, here's
this verse and this verse and this verse, because you know,
there's hundreds of verses that demonstrate the importance of incentives,
and so you're exactly right to start with the created
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purpose of work. And then I think the economic argument
is to come on top.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And this is what has.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Boggled my mind, Michael, for most of my adult life,
is that the Church seems to think economics this sort
of ugly, dismal science to avoid it's a little messy,
it talks about money, when in reality, what economics is
doing is making this very important spiritual point about the human.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Person, the love of money.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
In other words, when the rich young ruler came writing
up Jesus saw his heart and turned him away, because
when he told him to sell everything and follow me,
he knew that that was his utmost highest affection, that
was his god was money and things. That's why he
was really The love of money is the root of
all evil, But money itself is not the root of
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all evil.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
In fact, it.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Can be the root of all meeting other needs. So
that's the part that I think is probably most misunderstood
in the christendom, right.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yes, And I would like to point out I have
a whole chapter about this in my last book. It's
interesting how so many Christians set the line where they
think money is okay, right at the level they have
they happen to be at. You know, there's there's this
there's a certain level of convenience and lifestyle, and they say,
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you know, oh yeah, there's the people out there a
way too obsessive, as if somehow their lifestyle, which by
any other standard across the world would be considered quite comfortable,
and yeah, yeah, and and so you know, I think
that the Bible is pretty queer about the love of money,
about idolatry of money. But you know what else, the
(08:36):
Bible is very clear about all idolatry. They also have
no other gods before me, And there are a lot
of Christians that have decided that the idol of money
is the one they're going to go after, and they
don't seem to have the same problem in idolizing other
things in their life. I think it has a certain
pharisaic wal tint to it.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
My younger brother so much smarter than me.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
This is David, and he happens to be a theologian
as well as an economist. You probably see him on
Fox Business and other business television shows. He comes out
with the Dividend Cafe every Friday. We'll talk more about
that in the minute. All right, let's do the part
that is our job today, and that is there does
seem to be the perception and reality, quite frankly, of
an affordability gap that still exists in the housing crisis
(09:21):
that hasn't been solved.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Why and how could we solve it?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Well, the answer to all issues around affordability is the
supply side.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
The notion that government.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
If we're talking about policy, okay, the notion that you
fix affordability by the government setting with the price up
to be is one of the oldest ideas in the
book and perhaps the dumbest.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, the worst.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I think it's dumber coming from a Republican than a Democrat,
because Republicans would repeat, hook line and sinker every one
of the reasons why it's a dumb idea, and then
they would just dismiss all of their own principles when
it comes to these applications. And so the fact of
the matter is trying to mess with the stimulation of
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demand is completely unhelpful. What you need to get equilibrium
between for price, between supply and demand is increased supply.
That has never been more true than with housing than
with rental housing. More housing stock will push prices down.
(10:34):
We regulate the heck out of it, we tax the
heck out of it, we create zoning and permitting and
environmental impediments to it, and then we wonder why prices
are where they are. So it's a disaster. I don't
know why anyone thought it was going to get fixed
in a few months, And I don't know anyone thinks
it's going to get fixed by the White House, because
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it is not.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
This would be the closed Congress that is so functional
they can't even fund the government let alone solve the
revenue and economic issues. All right, So we head into
twenty twenty six, we haven't addressed that housing crisis with inventory.
We're starting to interest rates have not come down to
the point where boomers and others are going to let
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go of their houses to make a lateral move which
would free up inventory. And I think we might have
a bit of an energy issue in terms of that's
how groceries get to the grocery store, and that's only
going to get worse with AI. Those bills are starting
to rise already because we've got a huge user of
energy AI, but we don't have energy sources. So how
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does twenty twenty six look for you?
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Well, that's actually what dividing Cafe is going to be
about tomorrow. Not so much change by six, but just
the current state of the economy across those different categories
from affordability, prices, housing, job growth, et cetera. All these
things of course intersect in a way that's very important,
and I think as we go into twenty six, there's
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no question the most important issue politically, which is the
least of my concerns.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I mean, I'm bored out of my mind.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
With everybody politicizing everything economic, but the affordability issue will
be the biggest. But that's much bigger than what is
going on now where you know, what you're gonna see
is gas prices will go down, and everyone on team
Trump is going to say dunk on people saying, look
at us, and we brought gas prices down, and then
bacon prices will go up, and everyone on team Anti
(12:38):
Trump will go dunk on them, say, look at these
prices are so high and it's just so candescently stupid.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I can't handle it. First of all, for real people,
you can.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You know, they want eggs cheaper and bacon cheaper and
all that stuff. The issues housing, the issues housing, the
issues housing.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Okay, there's spending forty.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
To fifty percent of after taxing income on rent now
that young people with good jobs can't afford to buy
a home. I mean, that's the lowest thing free. And
then it does fiple into very important elements to the
economy because the more of your wallet care you're using
on housing, the less you're able to use on other issues.
(13:19):
And then that disincentivizes production of new goods and services.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Right, and oh, by the way.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Let's just put the political and economic aside and talk
social and cultural for a moment. You know, what is
not good for the soul of our society is a
bunch of people spending so much money on their one
bedroom apartment that they don't have any money to ever
go out and hug their friends and dance and see
a movie and yeah, yeah, human.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Just being a human being.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
And I think we're getting more isolation and.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I am totally unwilling.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
To rule out that it's overpriced. Housing is a part
of that. I think it is, especially for pre married people.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I can tell you what the young generation, this is
the game changer. They don't think they're going to have
the ability to own a home, and that's why they're
tempted to believe in socialism that is a real brand.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
They're very fearful.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
People think they get AI, and most of them think
it's going to ultimately cost their job. In fact, it's
not to get to people that make over two hundred
thousand dollars a year that that fear goes down. So
the thought of AI taking over their job and their
plans for a job and the ability to own a home,
that's why people are stooping to the levels of thinking.
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This old utopian socialism suddenly makes sense.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
They're that desperate.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Dividend Cafe tomorrow, David Bondsen, go to Dividendcafe dot com.
It's a must study, must read every Friday. That's how
I know the weekend has begun when I start reading it. David,
Thank you so much, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Michael, always a pleasure, Oh mine, not yours. Hey.
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be shaping for twenty twenty six, let alone, maybe even
twenty twenty eight. It's socialism versus common sense or capitalism
which will win. Time will tell what's the future of
both major parties. So many questions we want to ask,
and we're delighted to have CNN senior contributor Scott Jennings
joining us to talk about his new book, A Revolution
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of common Sense.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Good morning, Scott, Hey Michael, good morning. Thanks for doing this.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
We're huge, huge fans.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
You know, my brother was a big fighter, and he
was maybe at his best when it was against three
or four people. That's your life every night, four on
one on CNN, and now you're out with your new book,
A Revolution of common Sense. I guess my first question is,
in this matrix we're living in, these silos of far
left and far right, the death of journalism, the social dilemma.
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Can common sense compete with these permanent, immediate, partisan dysfunctional
positions that we all stake every day.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Well, I think not only can it compete, it can succeed.
I mean, I think it's how Donald Trump won the
November twenty twenty four election. I think during the Biden years,
we were being fed a bunch of uncommon nonsense on
some cultural issues, on some governing issues, and you know,
you told things that you know not to believe your
own eyes.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
It just wasn't good common sense. And I think Trump.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
You know, he used the phrase is a revolution of
common sense in his inaugural address, but it really kind
of sums up the way he has rebranded the Republican
Party and the conservative movement. And because of that rebrand
he has been able to build what is, frankly a
wide and ideologically diverse political coalition. People who didn't vote
that much, maybe he never voted, people who didn't think
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of themselves as Republicans. Certainly they're not attracted to ideology,
They're attracted to common sense. And Trump sensed that himself,
and that's the title and branding that he's applied to it,
and it's worked quite well for him.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
And this is a very very compelling book because you
have access to very, very compelling people. I mean, that's
probably the most especially when we start thinking about who
we're going to pick in twenty twenty eight, you sit
down with all of them, Rubio, all the key players.
What in a pursuit of common sense or in a
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pursuit of understanding what this administration has accomplished.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
I wanted to understand President Trump's leadership and management style.
And I told him in February when I pitched him
on the book, that I thought one hundred people would
write books to grind axes and to just you know,
kind of crap on him, because.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
That's what they do.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
But I'm someone, look I want to understand. I support him.
You know, I'm a Republican, and you know, as you
know on CNN, I've been defensive of him when I
think he's come under unfair attack, which is almost on
a daily basis.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
But I think.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Someone who likes him and wants him to succeed should
get a chance to understand how this all works. And
so in pursuit of that, I talked to the President.
I was in the Oval Office, I flew on Air
Force one. I interviewed Marco Rubio, Scott Bess and Elon
musk Leezeld and the EPA administrator Doug Bergam at Interior,
some of his political advisors. And I came away, I think,
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with a pretty good understanding of how he manages the government,
but also of.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Donald Trump the person. I learned a lot about Trump.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
I hadn't spent really any time with him person at
all until I wrote this book, but honestly, I learned
a lot about him personally, and truthfully, I feel a
lot closer to him today than I think I ever have,
because I got a sense of who Donald Trump is
behind the scenes, and I think the caricature that is portrayed.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
In the media is not at all what you get
with Donald Trump. And that's what Bill Maher walked away
with right that same impression. Scott Jennings, senior political contributor
for CNN, author of the new book A Revolution of
Common Sense. When you spend time with the President, what
was different about him? Like what exceeded all your expectations
and what actually shocked you that was different than what
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you thought, Because I think everybody that meets him says,
you know, Bill Maher described it as this is his persona,
this is you know, the reality TV charactery place. But
when you're alone with him, very personable, very warm, very
on point. What did you take away?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
So personally I found the same thing. Very warm.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
He's sort of hospitality minded. You know, he's constantly soliciting people,
you know, do you need something to drink? When I
went with him to Michigan and he said, do you
want my hat? He like literally was trying to give
me the hat off his head, and I said, you know,
I don't, but I know someone who does, and it's
my dad. Because my dad was the first person to
ever tell me you were going to be the president.
And he said, oh, sounds like a smart guy. And
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he takes the hat off and signs it and hands
it to me. But he was very solicitous of people,
and also he's very engaging. You know, he'll get in
a room and there's all kinds of different people with
different reasons for being there, but he'll engage everyone in
a conversation. He's actually an active listener. He solicits people's opinions.
He listens to debates back and forth among his advisers.
(22:42):
But he then he's also quite decisive, and I think
this is different than Biden, who was famously indecisive. Trump
is decisive, but he does absorb a lot of information
by listening to people kind of hash it out right
in front of him. He asked good questions. He does
have opinions, but you can't influence him. And he's listening
to these debates and I watched him kind of do this.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
With his advisors.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
But you know, once the decision is made, once the
boss has made the decision. The thing about his team
is everybody salutes and moves forward, and I think that's
one of the reasons they've been able to move so quickly.
He's got a team in place that truly matches his
management style. And there's really nobody in here who isn't
willing to execute on the president's agenda. They put their
own views aside. Once the president makes a decision, they
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go and execute.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
We have so little time, and I have so much
I want to talk to you about. I come from
a biblical perspective, so that really guides my policy views.
But then I'm a great student of history, great student
of policies, and that's how I arrived. So I kind
of became And I was very influenced by the Reagan administration,
obviously because of my age. So like you who worked
for George W. Bush, I was a Bush fan. There
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were things I disagreed with immigration issues that I had
some of the war issues. But you know, the journey
to Trump has been so different, and I think i'd
be interested to know how your take is. Barack Obama
was all style, no substance. Joe Biden was no substance,
door style. Donald Trump is all substance, and sometimes his
(24:11):
style is controversial. Where do you put him in recent
history with presidents, and what do you think his legacy
will be.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Well, I think it's the greatest political comeback in modern
American political history.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
That's number one.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
Number two, I think replacing him, well, somebody has to
replace him, but nobody can replicate him. And number three, look,
I think he and I told him this in February.
I thought he revolutionized political campaigning and I thought he
was about to revolutionize governing. I think it's the most
active presidency frankly since FDR, certainly the most active presidency
(24:45):
in modern American history. I think part of the strategy
was I'm going to put so much in the water
here that I'm going to overwhelm the opposition. I'm going
to show up and I'm going to I know that
I've got Democrats against me, the media, and the entrench
federal bureaucracy. The only choice to file back is to
overwhelm it. And that's frankly what he did. In the
first hundred days. They didn't know what to do. He
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puts so much out there that they did not know
what to do, and it really worked to his benefit.
But it's an active presidency. And I think the next
president you'll never replicate Donald Trump. But some of the
lessons here are you don't have to obey old arrangements.
The worst thing you can tell Donald Trump is well,
we've never done it that way before. He does not
respect that phrase, and I don't think the next president
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will either. That'll be an enduring legacy here of him,
just the active use of the presidency. If you're not
willing to be hemmed in by the way somebody did
it twenty years ago, you can operate quite freely in.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
The office of the president.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
The book is called a Revolution of Common Sense. CNN
senior political contributor is joining us, Scott Jennings Scott Trump
arrangement syndrome.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Does this go away after Trump's gone? Well, it'll never
go away. But what will happen is it will morph
into this. Whoever we nominate next, whether it's Vance or anybody,
the contract will be, oh, you know, this is actually
worse than Trump. So it'll be like worse than Trump
derangement syndrome. Everything that Vance or Rubio or whoever does next,
The next iteration is, oh, this boy, well this is
(26:16):
worse than Trump. I look, I worked for George W.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Bush.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
I'm old enough to remember when they called him annats.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
When they said he was racist, when they said he
was an authoritarian war criminal that needed to be thrown
you know, in the Hague somewhere. Now you have Democrats saying,
oh oh, for the days of George W.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Bush. You know, they'll do the same thing to Trump.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
The next person, by definition, will have to be worse
than Trump.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
It's the only thing they know how to do.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Call you a Nazi today and then call your your
successor worse than you tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
It's the only thing Democrats know how to do. I've
been living with it for twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Oh and you've been living on set on CNN. All right.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
So if the Democrats have problems, they have a civil
war the socialist and I think there's an Islamist element
in there. Two Socialist Islamist, and they'll start fighting amongst themselves.
One wants to use the Democrat Party to get to socialism,
One authentically wants to use socialism to get to an
Islama state.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That'll all play out.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
That's like a parasite, and when it kills the host,
it dies with it. So I don't know what the
future the Democrat Party is. But do are Republicans have
bit blindsided? Could there be a big establishment versus Trumpism battle,
or is there a smooth handoff to trump Ism because
these wins have not been Republican, they've been Orange trump Ism.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Yeah, it's an interesting question about what happens next to
both parties. I mean, I think Trump has changed the
coalition of the Republican Party, but it is the nature
of presidential campaigns and presidencies to be unique. I mean,
who replaced Barack Obama? For the Democrats, who replaced Bill Clinton?
You know who replaced George W.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Bush.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
When you're a two term president, you know a lot
of what you build is unique to you.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
So we'll see.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
How Jade Vance, if he's the nominee, what kind of
imprint he wants to put on the party. I think
he may have some different policy views than do Trump,
and that may change the coalition. On the Democratic side.
I think it's clear all the energy in their party
is with the socialist wing. Bernie Sanders is the intellectual godfather,
AOC is kind of the head of it operationally, and
you look at Mom Donnie, who's now the most popular
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Democrat in the country. It's all this strain of energetic socialism,
people who think America is rotten at its core and
then it needs to be ripped out, root and branch
and replaced with something very, very different. I'll be shocked,
shocked if they don't nominate someone in twenty eight who
isn't more from the socialist wing.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Well, it seems like Bernie has all but handed the
torch to AOC. Everybody's anticipating her running for the Senate
and getting rid of Chucky.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I think she's running for president. I think she'll be
an early leader. I agree with you.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
I think I think you have the ambitious political wing
led by Newsom.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
But the true energy, the true energy.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Of the left right now is with AOC and the socialists.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
And look there, look at look at the polling.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
You have more Democrats who think better of socialism than
they do of capitalism.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
That's where their hearts are.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
And that you know, the establishment Democrats fought this off
in sixteen, and they fought it off again in twenty
twenty in their nominating contest. But I don't think they'll
be able to fight it off in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
O to be Lelly King, and have Scott Jennings for
the full LAUA, but I don't have that so closing moments.
We're huge fans of yours. I love I kind of
view you. Everybody was a little over the top, but
I mean everybody kind of discovered Charlie Kirk. You've kind
of lived that in legacy media. You're behind enemy lines
every day with four people, five people coming at you,
(29:33):
a lot of the major you know, political operatives, and
you just do amazing. That makes you like a Charlie
Kirk in the media. What's next for you and what
do you enjoy more? Because I love you right where
you're at, and I'm wondering how that compares to like
your new radio show, which is what I'm kind of
stuck in. I would love to go behind enemy lines
(29:54):
and win hearts and minds or stand up for the truth.
I remember when Elizabeth Hasselbeck was in that situation on
the view. It's a lot of weight you carry and
you shine at your best. What's the future look like
for you?
Speaker 7 (30:06):
Well, I'm quite happy with my life and I'm quite
pleased with CNN. They've given me a great platform, and
I think this debating show that we do they deserve
great credit. Most cable is just six people sitting around
agreeing with each exactly. We're actually having debates. And everywhere
I go out here one of two things. I love
you and I love the debates, or I don't like you,
but I love the debates. People like debates. I can't
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believe there aren't more debating shows on. But I think
I was put on this earth to debate and maybe
be a pilgrim in on holy land, so that I'm
going to keep doing for the time being.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
And what about office out of it? What about office?
We'll see. I just turned forty eight. I got time
on that.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I agree, Scott.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I think the book is tremendous access to all the
people that are leading our country right now and all
the people that our country, half of our country caught
the matrix is re bolting against, and I think buried
in the midst of that is our way out, which
is this document two hundred and fifty years ago that
we're about to celebrate a birthday and a whole lot
of common sense, and maybe the revolution has begun, a
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revolution of common sense. Scott Jennings, A book we encourage
everyone to get. Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Appreciate this.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Honored by the conversation. Thank you, Servia.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I am so excited that God has opened the store
and Scott's going to be on a lot in the future.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It's going to be a.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Great arrow in our quiver. Scott Jennings, CNN Senior Contributor.
Check out the book A Revolution of Common Sense.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It's your morning show with Michael del Journo.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
The President will not be attending former Vice President Dick
Cheney's funeral today in our nation's capital. President Trump has
signed quietly no one got to witness the Epstein File bill,
but what is the expectation of its release? And the
President is also reportedly signed off on a Russian Ukraine
peace plan. This a twenty eight point plan by the
(31:58):
same makers of the twenty one point plan for the
Middle East.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Now with the twenty.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Eight point plan for Russia and Ukraine, and it's got
concessions in it, which has some people believing Roory O'Neil
or National correspondent, this could be dead on arrival from
a Ukrainian perspective.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Well right, because essentially it means that Russia would get
all of the don Bas region on the eastern side
of Ukraine that Russia controls about eighty five percent of
it now, but it would give the whole region over
to Russia control. There would also be a demilitarized zone there.
But then there are other things like putting in a
Russian church in Kiev, making Russia one of the official
(32:37):
languages of Ukraine. Ukraine would have to give up half
of its military and pledge not to have any long
range missiles. And while that would also include then some
guarantees from Europe and the US to guarantee Ukraine's safety,
that's a little bit vague here too. So President Zelensky's
going to need an awful lot of arm twisting to
(32:58):
agree to this.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah, we all knew there's going to have to be
some tough concessions. Listen, and you know, we talk all
the time about Russia's not winning this war. Nobody sees
how they can win this war, but they're not stopping.
Somebody needs to rise up and go, guess what. Ukraine's
not winning this war either, And nor is there anybody
that thinks that Ukraine is going to defeat the Soviet
Union and take over the Soviet Union. So at some
point to find peace Before somebody wins, there's going to
(33:21):
be concessions. But this is a lot of concessions, not
the least of which is Europe isn't going to really
like this.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I mean, this is cultural.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Creep, language, creep, territory creep, and they're afraid that creep's
going to.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Reach them right the same way in the nineteen thirties, right,
this appeasement happening, and there really doesn't appear to be
any punishment for Russia in this twenty eight point plan
where you'll let Russia sort of take over parts of
a sovereign nation on their own and they get rewarded
for it, perhaps controlling the largest nuclear power plant in
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all of Europe.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
As a result, well, Russia is isolated, they're financially strained, obviously,
they're using a lot of North Korean troops, but losing
a lot of life. I mean, I'm sure they wanted
to end. The President gave them an off ramp they
didn't take. Now, a twenty eight point plan that has
everything for Russia, and I think it's too much concessions
(34:15):
for Ukraine. I don't know, Roy, There's not a lot
of optimism that this is These twenty eight point plans
going anywhere.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
Right, Well, unless you say this is the springboard, this
is where we start, and let's start to have negotiations
back and forth.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
But there's going to have to be I hope this
twenty eight point plan is written in pencil, really good eraser.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
By the way President signed the bill, I thought it
was interesting that he signs every bill with the press.
President he didn't do that. It happened, and then he
just announced it on social media. The expectation now is
for Pambondi to release all unclassified records related to EPSTEAM
within thirty days. We don't know how quickly that comes
or if it comes in a major dump. Great reporting
is always rory.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
It's Thursday, November Twentieth's twenty twenty five. One chance to
I hope you seize this day. I hope you cherish
your life. I hope you make a difference in someone
else's life. And we'll see you tomorrow morning for the
next Joe Morning Show.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
We're all in this together. This is your Morning Show
with Michael Ndel, Joane
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