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Is Fetterman a flight risk or traitor for the left, Tucker a liar or shock-caster?

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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Thank you, Mike McCann. Five minutes after seven minutes rather
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This is your morning show. I'm Michael. Jefferys got the
sound right, keeping an eye on the content and if
you're just waking up, The President says, the US has
taken out seven small Iranian ships. Here's what we got.

(01:02):
Some military activity at the same time, A few ships
rolling through the Strait of Hormuz. What is the current
condition of the Strait of Hormuz? Rionnie will join us.
The latest on that coming up next hour. Secret Services
investigating a shooting involving one of its officers not far
from the White House in the Mall area, former New
York City mayor. The mystery is over. He is in

(01:24):
the hospital suffering pneumonia. He is in serious yet stable condition.
So we finally get what caused Rudy Giuliani to go
to a Florida hospital, and it's pneumonia at the age
of eighty one. A federal appeals court ruling that blocks
doctors from sending abortion pills through the mail has been

(01:45):
put on hold. Now here's the concern with this. There
is no primary physician involved. There is no one overseeing
this medication and the care of those taking it. This
is at the root of this that no one discussing,
and you don't know at what point they're taking the pill. Now,

(02:05):
good luck getting any other serious medication without a doctor
prescribing it and overseeing your condition. And so what happens
is some take this pill much later than it was
designed to be taken, and there are complications and there's
no one following through with the patients. It's a pretty
serious case that goes beyond just the hot button issue

(02:29):
that is abortion. That of course in America, remember what
we always say too often we enjoy the comfort of
opinion without the discomfort of thought. This would be one
of them. This one is not solved as easy as
pro life or pro choice. Voters in Indiana and Ohio
are head of the polls today for several primary races,

(02:50):
also have early voting that starts very early. Brings back
that question I asked Yesterdy, it'd be very interesting to
run it by a few other people, and especially you
using the talk backline or emailing at Michael di atiheartmedia
dot com. How much time does the president really have
to resolve things with the wrong as they will be resolved,
which I think is in essence, get the straight opened,

(03:14):
keep their ports blocked, keep crossing them five hundred million
eight a day, and if they make any moves on
nuclear weapons, rebombing, but that's just the new normal at
least while this president's in office. How soon does you
have to get that resolved? Ukraine will not be resolved.

(03:35):
All is not resolved. With Hespalov, but enough so to
at least stabilize things for the market and for energy
supply heading into the midterms. How much time do you have?
And talking yesterday, Chris Walker felt like, well, there's a
big reset every September, but with early voiding, does that
really apply even with states returning the polls for primary

(03:58):
races as soon as today? How much time does the
president have? And Dix and the Wolves secured game one
wins in the NBA that now we're in the conference
semi final round of the NBA playoffs and the t
Wolves and the Knicks are up one game to nothing.
We've got a lot to cover between now and the
end of the show. One of the more interesting would be,

(04:28):
I don't know. This one's kind of a nitpicky. It's
interesting they're sending Rubio to the Vatican to deal with
the tensions between Trump and Pope and not the vice president.
And I believe jad Vance has converted to Camtholicism, has he?
We're gonna send the seasoned Rubial to go deal with this.
And either way you're sending a message. When's the Secretary

(04:50):
of State, one's the vice president. Either way they're going
to smooth it over. Probably the most interesting of stories,
at least I think d agrees. Is this this conflicting
dual concern. One, the left doesn't like Fetterman and they're
calling him a trader trader to those who work tirelessly
to elect him in Pennsylvania to represent what is the

(05:16):
Democrat Party? You know how we always ask that question
what is ai? And nobody can answer what is the
Democrat Party anymore? What percentage of it is Islamist, anti Semitic,
with percentage of it as socialist, anti capitalist? What percentage
of it is progressive? Where does anybody fit the Democrat
Party unless you're the far radical left, And that's from

(05:39):
the view of the media, the view of the constituents,
and I guess the foot soldiers. So here's the left
with the problem with Fetterman for being somewhat sane and
now he's a trader. Well, my question would be what
in the Democrat Party platform as he'd be trade and

(06:02):
is there any room for differences or discussion within that tent.
Now the left or the far left and the media,
that's in their back pocket. While they're kicking around he's
a trader, they're also equally concerned that the GOP is
courting him. Now, this could be ironic and funny. Wait

(06:23):
a minute, he's a trader, so why do you care
if you switch asides? Or it could be a further
staining positioning and bashing positioning for defeat. Oh, Democrats, don't

(06:43):
vote for Vetterman. He's just going to turn around and
be flipped by the GOP. Or, as we often say,
it could be the all of the above. So we
got the political article inside the quiet Republican effort to
flip Fetterman, or is it to flip voters further against
him in Pennsylvania? Along with the Hill story. He's being

(07:04):
called a trader for all those that work so tireusly
to get him elected. We have a great poll today
from Rasmus and sixty percent suspect media influence in the
Trump assassination attempt. Again, this falls under that headline of
don't take for granted, as politicians often do and the

(07:25):
media always does. Don't take for granted the ignorance of
the American people. They usually figure things out better than
you ever could imagine. They're watching the tone. I suspect
Jerry Manderin is on the voters. Radar as much as
it is the Supreme Courts. I suspect the tone in

(07:48):
America is as much on the American people's radar as
you think it is, and we see it in this poll. Tucker,
don't get lost in the as we say stated a

(08:11):
moment ago, enjoying the comfort of an opinion without the
discomfort of thought. There could be some of you listening.
The Tucker still has the same credibility he did three
years ago. He doesn't with me. It's shocking the level
of credibility, respect and time I would give Tucker Carlson

(08:35):
three years ago versus today. I find it very, very
It's as shocking to me as the pendulum from John F.
Kennedy to Ted Kennedy. And that's the same womb. I
don't know. I don't know how who got bounced around
in there to come out that way. If we were

(08:57):
doing talkbacks four years ago and I brought up Fetterman,
I wonder what all of you would be saying. I
doubt the jolly goodfellow you think of him as today,
And the same could be said for Candice Owen, for
Tucker Carlson. I'm there, but I don't think a lot
of people are yet with Megan Kelly, which is kind

(09:19):
of a return home. I mean, Megan Kelly was the
first to attack Donald Trump, presuming at the time she
attacked him that he was some kind of reality TV
stunt and he just met the high and mighty towers
of Fox News in a debate, and she basically the

(09:46):
very first question of the very first Republican debate, made
him out to be anti women and an abuser of women.
To what your life was made miserable and her career
to some degree discredited when he was elected like so
many others in the media, and then a failed move

(10:07):
to NBC thinking you could ever leave Fox? Because that's
an interesting view, isn't it? In and of itself? Is
Tucker Carlson a big deal? Is late night television? A

(10:27):
big deal? Is Fox at CNN? Is MSM? Is it
a big deal? By numbers?

Speaker 3 (10:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (10:34):
In reality, no, I would make the case Joe Rogan
and Elon Musk were the biggest reasons Donald Trump was
able to get reelected for a second term. Now, you
may not act like it, you may not think about it,
but as long as you keep it in perspective, all
these people that rallied behind Trump that are now turning

(10:56):
on him. All these people that rallied around Trump that
are now turning on him over Israel. And also in
the mix is they're no longer on television. They're all
in the wild, wild web, where you go from a
news cycle that's a joke to an outrage cycle that's

(11:18):
a danger. So my vote for the biggest story of
the day is Tucker Carlson. And it's not what you think.
It's not to further get you to say, oh, he's
a kook now or you know, he's not a kook,
He's the same credible Tucker and we should be listening.
Never mind that, because this one is a beginning, middle,

(11:40):
and an end. And now what do we do with
the information? Let me play it for you first. So
here's Tucker every day online saying outrageous things and getting
reaction when the traditional media he sits down with in
a podcast and he's talking to New York Times report
order this happens. This is Tucker today, caught in a lie.

(12:06):
What do we do with it?

Speaker 2 (12:07):
What I was saying, which is, you cannot mock other
people's gods and put yourself in their place, period, that
is a deal killer for me.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
That's worse than the war with Iran in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, and I ask because you know you've been talking
on your show.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
About By the way, isn't it interesting eye glosses over
that this issue with Iran is a war of gods
and you better choose this day which God is real
and which God you serve. Now, that's done through a long,
thoughtful process. I don't believe in Jesus Christ because my

(12:47):
parents made me or took me to church, That's how
it began. But an exhaustive study of the authenticity of scripture,
witnesses of Christ's resurrected body, his claims, his works, the reality,
that's what led. And now at sixty one decades of

(13:10):
experiential relationship, now I've done equal study of Mohammed, comparative
study with Mohammad. Do you know at no point Mohammad
ever claimed that he would have eternal life. He couldn't
assure his own eternity. Yeah, let's risk eternity and follow that.

(13:36):
In fact, if you study the Koran, the Hidith, and
the teachings, the only assurance of eternal life is dying
in martyrdom in the cause of Jihad. That's a much
different religion. Everyone should sit down and do a comparison. Now,

(13:58):
this is just my take what Muhammad did. It was
he took a little bit of Christianity, a little bit
of Judaism. He was trying to create a religion. He
was one of three hundred and sixty five in Mecca
by the end. In Medina it was convert or die.
Tucker just goes from insulting other people's gods being worse

(14:20):
than Iran, as if gods aren't involved in Iran. But
never mind that, don't be distracted. Here comes the best part.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
About whether Trump is the Antichrist.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I have not said that. I have not.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
On the show the day after.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Easter, you noted he did not put his hand on
the Bible during his swearing ceremony as president. You said,
and I'm quoting, maybe he didn't put his hand on
the Bible because he affirmatively rejects what's inside that book.
And then on a recent show you went further saying,
here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors,
mocking the god of gods and exalting himself above them.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Could this be the Antichrist?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I actually did not say, Could this be the Antichrist?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestor,
mocking the god of gods and exalting himself above them.
Could this be the Antichrist? Well, who knows. I don't
know where that comes from, but I know that those
words never left my lips, because and there's the proof
that they did.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
So that's the question of the hour, not the position.
You're for Tucker, not for him anymore? How does this happen?
Does he really not remember what he says? Does he
really not mean what he says? Is this the wild,
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(17:06):
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(17:46):
drinker at all, and I can't eat the chips anymore
because of my diet. So not much single demio going
on over here, but here's your top stories. President Trump
says the US has taken out seven small Iranian ships. Meanwhile,
reports that some ships are now starting to pass through
the Strait. Kind of a tough sell. We've got military
activity and ships moving. I don't think we can call

(18:08):
the Strait of hor Moves safe yet and secure. We're
going to have more on that coming up with Colonel
Stephen Bouchi the next hour. Why aren't we just done? Period?
I mean, they're losing five hundred million dollars a day,
keep their port shut out, get the straight opened up
maintenance bomb. If they go after any of the materials
for their nuclear sites and call it a day, why

(18:30):
do we need some kind of an agreement. We'll talk
about that with the Booch. Rory's got a new study
in the Best and Worst Places for police officers. And
John Decker from the White House. We'll talk about the
president's big small business summit yesterday, and that's your first
real midterm messaging from the White House. We'll have more
on that for you next hour. All Right, This Tucker

(18:53):
Carlson piece, this was the big buzz on the internet yesterday.
Tucker Carlson sitting down with a New York Times reporter
doing an interview, and in the interview, she brings up
this question of him believing Donald Trump is the Antichrist,
and Tucker X completely shocked. I don't recall I never

(19:13):
said that, That never left my lips. I think I would
recall call any christ I don't even understand what the
antichrist as I'm still struggling to understand that myself. Is
it an individual? Is it several things? Is it a movement?
But no, I never said the president was an anti Christ.
And then of course you hear the clip. Now what
do you do with that? And again, this isn't This

(19:37):
isn't to just discredit Tucker Carlson. It's to have a
meaningful discussion on what we do with this. And it's
Tucker today, it'll be somebody else completely tomorrow. In a
culture that no longer hungers for the truth, thirsts for righteousness.

(19:58):
To these kinds of aras even matter. What about the
shift from media which used to live and die by
credibility but no longer. Now we just play shirts and skins.
It doesn't even matter if it's an accurate calling of
the game. Just tell me what I want to hear,
and the two shall never meet anyway. Are we living

(20:22):
in moral relativism or are we living in some kind
of hybrid moral relatives? Are we living in socialism or
some kind of hybrid socialism. I mean, nothing's really clear
in reality, let alone in some of these new areas
that we're traveling and navigating. So first, things first, and
I won't interrupt this time. This is the exchange with

(20:45):
Tucker Carlson and a New York Times reporter. I want
you to first hear them get caught in a lie,
and then let's explore what we do with this. Now,
whether it's Tucker or anyone else, here's Tucker on God's

(21:06):
Antichrist and whether or not he called or wondered out
loud if Donald Trump is the Antichrist, which is you
cannot mock other people's gods and put yourself in their place, period.
That is a deal killer for me. That's worse than
the war with Iran in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Yeah, I ask because you know you've been talking on
your show about whether Trump is the Antichrist.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
I have not said that.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
On your show the day after Easter, you noted he
did not put his hand on the Bible during his
swearing and ceremony as president. You said, and I'm quoting,
maybe he didn't put his hand on the Bible because
he affirmatively rejects what's inside that book. And then on
a recent show you went further saying, here's a leader
who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the God
of gods and exalting himself above them.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Could this be the Antichrist?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I actually did not say, could this be the Antichrist?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors,
mocking the God of gods and exalting himself above them.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Could this be the Antichrist? Well? Who knows.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I don't know where that comes from, but I know
that those words never left my lips because I'm not
sure I fully understand what the antichrist is, if there's
just one.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I actually tried to understand it.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I may have said summer asking that I'm not weighing
on that because I don't understand it what I was saying.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
He doesn't understand it yet he speaks it. He doesn't
remember yet he knows he didn't say it. Of course,
the clip shows he did. Now what do we do
with this? This was all the rage on the internet yesterday.
Now is it a movement to discredit Tucker? I don't know,
but it should discredit him at least on this topic,

(22:52):
for sure. I would hope we can agree on But
how does he not member? But he said, Oh, I'm
a talk show host and I speak for three hours
a day. I don't remember everything I say, but I
never get caught in these Why because that ever same
thing I don't mean. I normally don't definitively expound on

(23:20):
things I don't understand. I mean, Tucker's famous for this.
This is a daily occurrence. You say something outrageous and
then you hedge it. I don't know. It could be
a wife beater. I don't know. How could I possibly know.
I don't live in the home, but he could be
a house a wife beater. I'm Surrey, but I'm almost
positive he beats his wife. But how could I know.

(23:43):
I don't even understand necessarily what beating a wife would
entail anymore. It's just a nonsensical way. Now listen, I'll
just tell you because I don't know how to sort
through this with you other than to be honest. These
things happened to me as a consumer, and they don't
get my time anymore. When someone loses their credibility with me. Look,

(24:05):
that's the one thing that we all have that is
at capacity. It's the one thing on our deathbed that
we will measure our life over its use. And it's
not money, it's time. I never lose sleep, wondering did

(24:25):
I spend enough money on my children? Because I know
I did. Did I spend enough time with them? I
never know if I did, and how did I use
that time? Quantity and quality of time. That's the gold
standard of life, if I may in the area of faith,

(24:48):
which I think is fair game, because that's really the
topic we're discussing. That's the part about this interview that's
the most disturbing, not what he might be doing or
what he got caught doing, but what he was doing
as he would he's caught doing something else. Comparing a
war in Iran with gods like they're not the same.

(25:08):
You don't think Iran is mocking your god, Tucker, You
don't think they're false God is trying to take the
place of your real God. Because that's the war that's
been going on for fourteen hundred years. Nobody dare ever
call listen. When Christ was describing end Times, he talked

(25:28):
about wars and rumors of wars, as if that's nothing.
That's a stomach pain. You haven't even begun the birthing process.
That's early stomach pain. That's not even contraction jet nation

(25:53):
versus nation, that's early signs. Kingdom versus kingdom is another
nobody ever wants to say out loud to you. What's
going on in Iran right now is all a part
of a fourteen hundred year holy war, and that makes
it a different war, that makes your enemy act different.

(26:15):
The things you presume your enemy will respond with. Never presume,
by the way, that your enemy will always react. Your
enemy may be prepared. They knew when they did A
you were either going to do BCD E or F
and they've already got g planned. That's the difference between

(26:37):
reacting and responding, and you have no idea this enemy
is going to react or respond. I love when I
talk to foreign policy experts and they go, well, ultimately
their goal is to protect their regime. Well, that's true
if it's North Korea. That is not true if you're Iran.
If you're Iran, the ultimate goal is to convert this
entire country or kill it or tax it. And until

(26:59):
you do, terrorize it, and their only assurance of eternal
life is death in the cause of jihad. You're playing
the wrong game against this opponent if you don't acknowledge
first and foremost it's a holy war. I'm not gonna
play that trick on Colonel Bouchie when he joins me.
But I can tell you he's one of the few

(27:20):
that when I IF I, IF, I blindside him and
go Colonel, is this a holy war? And if it is,
should that change how we strategize? Listen for his answer.
He gets it. As much as I respect James Carafano.
He gets it. He likes to sidestep it. Colonel Bochie

(27:41):
will look you right in the eye this morning and
tell you the truth. The most troubling part of this
interview is the very beginning. Watch he makes them two
different things.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Listen, Nang, which is you cannot mock other people's gods
and put yourself in their place.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Period. Isn't that what Iran's doing? Isn't that what radical
Islam is doing, mocking your god, putting it's god in
your place. But watch, it's something separate. I think it's
a deal killer for me. It's worse than the war
in Iran. Like there are two different things. It's a
deal killer for me. That's worse than the war with
Iran in my opinion. But then we get to getting
caught in the line, and this is what we must

(28:22):
understand together. How does this happen? Does Tucker really not
remember what he said? He absolutely denies he ever said it.
She plays the clip he said it, No apology stands
by he never said it. Doubles down he didn't say it. Well,
that's getting everybody's reaction on the internet. But how did
it happen? Red would say, Well, wise are hard to remember.

(28:46):
The truth is easy to remember. If you speak the truth,
you always remember it. You never get caught. This is
a dangerous style that Tucker has, and it was inevitable
that it happened in the first time it happened. Maybe
it's he can't keep up with the speed of the

(29:07):
outrage cycle. What has whittled his way down to a
million total and in some cases in demo, less than
a couple hundred thousand that watch these networks that think
so highly of themselves. They look so big on TV,
but they're really not that influential anymore. That used to
be playing the news cycle. They would talk the hits,

(29:31):
just like music stations would play them until they burned
them out and moved on to the next Do you
know how much time I have to get your attention
every morning? Researched how much time I have to get
your attention? Are you go on to something else? Eight seconds?
I remember when the news cycle was two to three days.

(29:51):
The outrage cycle is seconds. It's measured in seconds, not days.
Are these people just having to say outrageous things to
get clicks because that's the only way they get paid
and they don't remember what they said that day to
get that click? Is that what caused this? How about

(30:12):
the most damning thing you could say to me? Anyway?
This guy just talks. He doesn't mean half of what
he says. It's just a shtick. I mean everything I say,
and I only speak of things A I understand and
B that I think are dangerous. And this is dangerous
a world that has abandoned absolute truth for anything goes.

(30:36):
All is equal, All gods are the same, all ideas
are the same, All comments are equally true. If that
person thinks it's true, that's how you got into the mess.
In the transgendered mess, No, by chromosome, by innis and out,
he's a boy's a boy and a girl as a girl.

(30:57):
Now they may have some kind of mental illness or
some kind of disorder where they can't see themselves as
they are, but that's what they are. A born male
cannot give birth. It's never going to happen. There are
those that would argue that's not true. If that born
girl now believes she's a boy, she's a boy and

(31:19):
she had a baby. The abandonment of absolute truth and
moral relativism accepted was a very dangerous wrong turn, especially
for a nation under God. So what do you do
with Tucker Carlson? What do you do with anybody that

(31:41):
doesn't remember what they said, denies what they said? You
prove to them what they said. They still can't accept
what they said is the problem. We got a lot
of voices out there, and most of them are saying
things they don't mean. Is the problem. They can't remember
what they said because of the pace of the wild

(32:01):
wild web and the seconds outrage cycle versus the old
day's news cycle. Is this bigger than just a Tucker
Carlson gotcha? Which is a bigger conversation in and of itself. Right,

(32:25):
if you could time travel and go back five years
and call me up and have a personal conversation, Heck,
you could go back even further than that. I would
have made the argument Tucker Carlson should have taken rush
Limbas's place. How wrong would I have been? Or my
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completely unchanged. My view of Turning Point USA is equally
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I never did. But I'm weirded out by Turning Point now,
weirded out, weirded out by Candae Owens. I don't even
know if an alien ship stole her body and replaced it.
And look at the people we would have bashed, Bill Maher,

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Senator Fetterman. They're heroes today. Oh there's something bigger than
these personalities that are rising and falling, changing before our eyes.
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