August 19, 2025 • 50 mins
Cindy Cowan is an Emmy-winning, Oscar-nominated producer who co-founded Initial Entertainment Group.
Recent credits include a southern crime thriller, Arkansas, starring Vince Vaughn & Liam Hemsworth as well as the Emmy-winning documentary called Miracle on 42nd Street featuring Alicia Keys, Terrence Howard & Sam Jackson.
Erik Foge - Historical/speculative fiction & spy fiction writer. 1st place Global Thriller CIBA 2020 award.
Kristina Foge - Erik's wife.
Nancy Potter - Best Selling Author.
Movie Reviews and More is broadcast live Tuesdays at 5PM PT on K4HD Radio - Hollywood Talk Radio (www.k4hd.com) part of Talk 4 Radio (www.talk4radio.com) on the Talk 4 Media Network (www.talk4media.com). Movie Reviews and More TV Show is viewed on Talk 4 TV (www.talk4tv.com).
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Recent credits include a southern crime thriller, Arkansas, starring Vince Vaughn & Liam Hemsworth as well as the Emmy-winning documentary called Miracle on 42nd Street featuring Alicia Keys, Terrence Howard & Sam Jackson.
Erik Foge - Historical/speculative fiction & spy fiction writer. 1st place Global Thriller CIBA 2020 award.
Kristina Foge - Erik's wife.
Nancy Potter - Best Selling Author.
Movie Reviews and More is broadcast live Tuesdays at 5PM PT on K4HD Radio - Hollywood Talk Radio (www.k4hd.com) part of Talk 4 Radio (www.talk4radio.com) on the Talk 4 Media Network (www.talk4media.com). Movie Reviews and More TV Show is viewed on Talk 4 TV (www.talk4tv.com).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Either it's Brian Sebastian movie reviews and more. If it's Tuesday,
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you know what, support the arts first of all, we
got to support anything when it comes to music, films, authors, artists,
you name it. And obviously we're streaming on over one
hundred outlets right now. Talk for Media, k FO HD Radio,
Talk for A TV and I love however you all
the hosts.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Pop one at the last minute. I just love this.
You know, it's that's usual. Thank you women.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You know it's a great thing about this because this
show is special. Where let's see how many shows one
hundred and sixty six live shows in a row, we're
still on our street, forty million views in county out
of it, two four seven out of Franklin, Tennessee, and
around the world. So the good thing about that is
there's a lot of people listening in because that's not
because of Cindy Cowen. It's not because of hers, because
of Eric his wife, and Danon.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Potter and everybody else. But you know everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I gotta say hi to Free and friends in Singapore
because they're they're watching their Nashville, Tennessee, Houston, Texas. Rachel
Wild chef Rachel Roberson is not on because she's got
bad Internet, Harry says, Hi, Cindy Town because she's working
on her stuff. I'll register out of Florida. I want
to go ahead introduce the hose first. I'm going to
get into everybody else.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Go ahead, Carol, Hi, I'm Carol Register. And it's really
lovely to be here with you guys. I'm super excited
to get to know you. Eric and Christina, of course
we've met. I'm so excited to see you again, and
Cindy and Nancy. I'm so looking forward to being with
you and vocally Toash I take women from six to
(02:36):
seven from here. She's using the neuro wealth method and
it's a guaranteed process.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
So I love doing what I do.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I also have fantastic retreats at my boutique hotel in
the Andes Mountains instead. And right now we've got some
location focused retreats going on, so that interest you, just
reach out and DM me and I'll share great info
with you.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And there's Howard. Yes, Howard, I got hear you.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yay, got some great beauty kitchen I cream for you
by the way.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah, it's lovely to be here.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Thank you, all right, Howard Wiggins. Since we got sound
and you tell them who you want, where you're coming from.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Howard Wiggins, Brentwood, Tennessee, son of literary Wiggins, plays so guitar,
one of the top thirty five leading interior designers. And
I had my own design look called stack and Layered,
Let's see and I'm in He'll be called without Warning.
And another one in Hollywood if it gets a little
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bit more funding called Who's going to take care of Me?
Speaker 7 (03:47):
That's it?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And vocally Tash and we got you in the dark
a little bit. But something's going on in Miami, Go Tash.
Speaker 8 (03:53):
Yeah it's I don't know what's going on, but hello, Hi,
It's Natasha Tosh baby vocally Tosh and I'm a singer songwriter,
Urban Latin singer, songwriter, but I do.
Speaker 9 (04:04):
A little bit of everything.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
I'm into digital marketing, network marketing and kind of learning
all the ways to be able to monetize in multiple
ways using my social media. So I've been, you know,
diving into that, diving into music, and I'm very happy
to be here with you guys today. It's been a
while and I was like, I need to be on
the show tonight. It's been a long time, so I'm
(04:27):
happy to be back.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And it's funny every time she comes on, something good
happens to her, just like we know Carol so.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
So we've got award winning authors on here shee before
we get to send me.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Because that's this is special, you know, all of our
show is a special because it's about helping people in
the arts. Doesn't matter if you're an artist, doesn't matter,
if you're an author, doesn't matter. If your producer, independent
film need help theaters. You need to support theater onners
going to see those movies. So when it comes to
Nanty Potter, best selling author Barbarie's Cut Out of Houston, Texas,
(05:02):
the one and only Nanty Potter, we haven't seen her
in a long time. Award winning author from Arizona and
his wife, Christina. I've not met a couple where you know,
the wife says, honey, I love you so much. You
stay home and write those novels and I'll go to
work and help everybody. Great thing for women. I've never
seen anybody do that, but there are great people.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And when do you get married to star wars and costumes,
it can't go wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So his project, Petat says he's going to talk about
and that's a great thing about that all still and
he's also award winner too. And then when it comes
to this young lady, I haven't seen her, I think
in two years in person, but every time, you know,
I thank her, and she doesn't need to know that
I thank her. Got to say high to Hunter because
her hersstant he's just great, knows what he's doing. I
love calling him on my counter. I got some authors,
(05:48):
I got some things for her. Let me know what
Cindy's doing. What is she working on?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Because it's about going out to support those diinters, theaters
and you know those projects. And when you have something.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Like you know, being that first chair of the West
Coast chair for Let's see Little Kids Rock, which I
like about music because while marching in the world, the
drummed bigacorps, underprivileged kids watching the arts like that, you
need to support them no matter what. And when you're
that Oscar nominated, that Emmy Award producer, even that telling
a winner for short films.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yes, Cindy, I know everything off the top of my
head about you. It's well, you can't you can't go wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And I think I interviewed her for the movie Traffic
Going Back because I just remember doing all of those junkets.
But what I really like, you know, one of my
very favorite films. It's very bad things. And I have
to give her credit because sitting across and having drinks
with Cameron Diaz in Toronto with Ben Stiller, and then
having Christian Slater come back when he got arrested.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I did his first interview and Christian was so happy
that it was me and not some gossip person. We
had a great time.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's one of my best films that I really enjoy.
And my hat goes off to all the things that
you've done with all your feature films. And I don't know,
I think she's gonna us about boy George or who
knows I haven't seen along.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Who knows she's got a lot of things going on.
I want to know they send you, Sindy. I'm not
going to talk anymore. Take it away.
Speaker 10 (07:10):
That was a great intro. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
And Ye Have Very Bad Things is my favorite.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's a great film.
Speaker 10 (07:17):
It was Peter Berg's first directorial. We were The Hangover
Before The Hangover. We so many different films were variations
and ripoffs of ours after that one, but thank You.
It was great.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, the reason why I bring that up and why
everybody is listening around the world and everything is because
look where all they are now.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Jeremy Pivey.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You know, we all became friends me just by supporting
their films.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I'm not that actor. I don't do that stuff. That's
not my gig.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
My My thing is watching films and music and helping
getting everything.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Going like that.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's really really important my work and helping those women
projects women. You know, I don't care if you're in
the world of dressage or the world of bodybuilding. It's very,
very important because I felt back in eight people weren't
getting their due. And I just remember Cindy before I
let anybody on sitting, you know, working on the ranch
in the hot sun, and said, when I go to
a dressage show, I saw that when nobody was getting
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publicity in that world. This when we were spending thousands
of dollars on their horses, hey, you name it. And
then the world of bodybuilding, they weren't getting any recognition.
And I said, I'm going to change that. And this
is what movie reviews and Morris all about. Helping these
women out there, our audiences, more women than it is men.
It's fifty two, forty eight, forty.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Forty nine, and I love that around the world.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Cindy, talk about what's been happening with you, talk about
AI and we'll get into everybody else.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
Go for it.
Speaker 10 (08:41):
Yeah, I mean, I just had a movie that came
out theatrically and then went number one on Ulu and Amazon,
which I didn't know you could do both. It was
called Cleaner. Martin Campbell directed it. Who did my two
favorite James Bond movies Book Golden I and I got
it just blinked on the other one. He's phenomenal and
(09:03):
you know Daisy Ridley start in it from Star Wars
and five Owen. We have a thriller coming out as
soon as Stranger Things comes out with Sony Jamie Campbell
Bauer who plays Vecna and Stranger Things is in it.
So we're timing that release, and then I'm about to
start another thriller. I think we're I'm off to Ireland,
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which is where we're looking to shoot the next one.
And then I go into two music based projects, one
being John Lennon, which is a miniseries in sync project
that you were alluding to, which is great, and hopefully
we're tying that in within since thirtieth anniversary.
Speaker 11 (09:45):
You know, that's amazing.
Speaker 10 (09:50):
It's a lot of people don't realize that way before
I got into a songwriter, So it's amazing to go
full circle and get back into something I love, which
is music, can be able to tie both together. It's great.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's great.
Speaker 10 (10:03):
Yeah, thank you, Cindy.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
You make this sound so easy, like you have so
many projects going on.
Speaker 9 (10:09):
How do you handle all of them at the How
do you handle them all?
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (10:13):
Yeah, not easy. Everybody who's saying that our business is
getting tougher and tougher is not kidding. It's the business
is tough, you know, you know, Briani kind of said
talk about AI. I'm a AI right now. You know,
there are good things with AI and the fact that
if somebody wants to do a film and they hardly
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have any money, and you you know, the kids are
much smarter than I am. You're afraid of AI, like
I am. I'm a little afraid of it. But you
know what you can do your effects, you can do music,
you can do sound, you can do everything on AI,
and that's great. What's not great for me is I'm
old school and those are a lot of my friends
that are losing their jobs, so it it worries me
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a little bit. And then just the flux of the
world right now, my next movie should be in America
and it's not. We're going in Ireland, so it's a
little bit tricky right now. The one thing that I
tell most filmmakers that is, you never know when your
project is going. We do know when our next one
is going. So it's good to have a couple in
the pipeline at all costs because I'm at the mercy
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of when an actor is available.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
That makes a lot of sense to have, you know,
right now, I think it's more important than ever to
have multiple streams of income and that really aligns with
having multiple projects lined up, and then you're not at
a loss if one doesn't come through.
Speaker 10 (11:38):
Absolutely, and I think a lot of filmmakers now, at
least in my world, we're looking for projects that can
multi hyphenet roads of equity and financial rewards coming back
to you. So some of the music based projects, we'll
look at turning them into Broadway plays, or we'll look
at adding additional music that then we can help control
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all different ways to get the financing their money back.
And then some I want every movie to be super successful.
Speaker 12 (12:06):
I love Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You know, Nancy, tell Cindy who you are, where you're
coming from, how you wrote your book, because I always
tell people you know things. They don't realize what what
goes into producing. It's a lot of hard work. And
the strange thing when I last Cindy, you know, uh,
is that Melissa Melissa's aren't after red carpet thing in Beverly.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Hills And I'm like, my god, she looks beautiful. Still,
how does she? I was saying, how does she do
these things? Well?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I don't say it just to say it. I say
it's true. I mean, but but the reason why I
say these things. I'm always relaying messages for my friends.
By the way, Aaron Gavin says hi to you, and
Landy Stout says hi to you, because they're coming up
next next two weeks. But it's one of these things.
They don't realize how long things take to get going.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It could take years.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
And I tell them the average documentary takes seven years
to do. So you know, when Nancy was writing her book, Nancy,
I'm putting words in him out Nancy, Sorry, gud tell
him how long it took to write your book?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
And it became a bestseller.
Speaker 12 (13:10):
Thirty eight years. Based on thirty eight years. I was
just two when I started. It's a based on the
life of my great grandfather. It's, you know, the true
American story. Started out on a flatboat on the Mississippi River,
very poor, and became one of the wealthiest men in
the South at the turn of the nineteenth century. And
(13:34):
it's just fascinating. He was able to do all of
these things with no technology. He had offices in Europe eventually,
and offices in Mexico and all over this country and
houses and how he kept that going. I have no idea,
but it's not just a story. I think I tried
to make it a story that everyone would like. The
businessman love. It has business in it.
Speaker 10 (13:55):
The women love.
Speaker 12 (13:55):
It has romance, a few things, you know, dalliance is
going on. And my house is, as I'm sitting in here,
full of things from my great grandparents. So I have
his glasses, his wallets, have all their passports, I have
some of their clothes. I have furniture from their house,
and so I'm immersed in them, and I have been
(14:16):
all my life because my grandmother, their daughter, was always
talking about them, and in fact, the next book that.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I'm just started writing is about her.
Speaker 12 (14:24):
So he goes, well, I don't want to tell you
the whole story because I'll ruin it. The next book
that I'm started is about her and about how her
life turns out after her father dies. And it was
just it was a labor of love. I have a
handicapped child. That took twenty years of my life, but
it was always going to happen. And now it's going
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to be a mini series. I just know it's to
be because it's very long. It's five hundred and fifty pages,
and it has really interesting characters and different parts of
the world right after World War One, and just it's
full of history, it's got a little everything. So I
think it has a lot of potential as a miniseries.
(15:06):
And so I'm trying to learn how to use AI
Cindy to make a treatment or a bible, and I
get them all confused.
Speaker 10 (15:13):
I literally, I'm so afraid of it. And I know
I'm not supposed to say that. Everybody says I if
you're not into it, you're going to be left behind.
And that's why hunters here on my Hunter use it.
I literally I'm one of those people though that's a public,
private person, and I'm just I think my fears of
AI are just having too much info. So I don't
(15:33):
want to ask it anything. I don't I don't need
an AI boyfriend, an AI assistant, I don't want any
of that. I just want to keep, you know, I
don't want to keep employing and having real connections with
real people. Right saying that it will pop out your
nerror very easily, and you just need to plug in
you know, specific lines that you want and then just
say to it, can you put this into treatment for them?
Speaker 9 (15:55):
For me?
Speaker 10 (15:55):
You will have to fix it. But it will do it.
It is crazy.
Speaker 12 (15:59):
I have two seasons sort of kind of broken down
into episodes and anyway, I'm getting it into the weeds.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
But that's great.
Speaker 10 (16:09):
Good for you, Yes, and.
Speaker 12 (16:11):
I'm I'm determined, just like I was determined. The book's
going to be published and it's going to be a
wonderful miniseries.
Speaker 10 (16:17):
Yeah, good for you. You know, again to what he
was saying at the beginning, people have no idea even
when we did Traffic, I got Traffic after it had
been out there for years. I think Traffic took probably
eleven years to get made.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (16:33):
You know, it had so many different iterations with I
think Tommy Lee Jones was attached and Nicholas Cage was attached,
and it was only when it came to us that
we lowered the budget, put Michael Douglas and Catherine Zada
Jones in, it, revammed what it was, and it got made.
But same thing with Forrest Gump. I think Forrest Gump
took fifteen years to get made. So it's just, you know,
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it's crazy how quick time goes. It is.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
And Brian, that reminds me same kind of time period
for you too, Eric Bogey, Right, with writing your book
and getting it out there. Yeah, I know, I always
say it wrong. I give it that little extra love that.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
You remember every time you're going to a donation.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
That was the case, right.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Eric and Christina talk about why you guys got married
first of all in Star Wars Gap, but also talk about,
you know, the partnership because I I tell people you
know on the show and outside about your coup you too,
and what makes this work? Eric always writing you know,
he'll text me and I'll call him right here of that,
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you know, of what you're doing, and just going to
book conventions and being just the dapper person that you are.
I love this and this when I when I get
a chance to see you guys, I think it's special
because I'm just relaying messages of how hard it is
get things in people's hands and what's going on.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
What's stuff like that?
Speaker 13 (18:01):
Oh yeah, goodness, it's It's such a It's a supportive
position for sure, because he's the artist and I work
in health care technology, so it gives me the ability
to be able to support him and his dream and
I want to see him win that.
Speaker 11 (18:12):
That's my vision and my goal there. But I think
getting getting married him.
Speaker 13 (18:16):
He's just he's gorgeous and has beautiful eyes and has
a soul that just speaks to me. It always has,
So he's just a good He's one of the last
good ones left.
Speaker 11 (18:27):
And I always tell his.
Speaker 13 (18:28):
Mom, I do laundry and I can cook, yes, And
so while I'm working and he's writing in between heats breaks,
I tell him, you got to rest your mind. It's
really really important to do that. So I kind of
help him with marketing and some social media.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Sidneim like you.
Speaker 13 (18:44):
AI scares me, So AI is tricky when it comes
to healthcare and information and knowledge.
Speaker 11 (18:50):
So I'm a hure and we're.
Speaker 13 (18:52):
Sticking our toes in the water in our organization. But
it's it's very a little scary and frightening. But I
think with supporting Eric, it's fun for me. It's a
whole for an industry and world that we're learning about.
So you mentioned Forrest Gum. We actually saw this really
great documentary on the movies that made us and I
learned so much about how movies get made from book
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to treatment to the screen, and it sounded exhausting but fun.
Speaker 14 (19:20):
What we found interesting about Forrest Gump since we brought
that up. It was not a national best seller. It
flocked and when they wrote the script they put in
some archive or bolt they said in Hollywood, and one
producer says, hey, this has potential, and she went with it.
And guess what now we see to you know eight
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or where are Academy Awards?
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Only one layer?
Speaker 13 (19:44):
We quote movies all the time, so we're kind of
we have t shirts say we speak in movie quotes.
Speaker 10 (19:51):
That's great.
Speaker 11 (19:52):
So my biggest goal is.
Speaker 13 (19:54):
Hey, maybe there's a movie quote that's going to be
from his book somewhere in that movie quotes that we keep.
Speaker 11 (19:57):
Quoting to each other all the time. R.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, Eric, talk about your background on how you started writing.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Then sudden we're coming back to your heead Eric.
Speaker 14 (20:05):
Well, I started when I was fourteen. That was in
nineteen eighty five, so that is that is a d
not BC guys.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
So I just going to get.
Speaker 14 (20:17):
So sent me to Watchington d C. And I always
loved history and I got lost in the Capitol building.
This is a little four foot kid walking back and
forth in the capitouilding.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
And the DC copses, where are you doing? Kid? So
I try to find I'm trying to find the chambers.
Speaker 14 (20:33):
You missed it six times, right down the hallway by
puppet and he says, where's your parents. I said, they're
in Florida. He said, excuse me. I said, you know, Florida.
You know, but let's say He said, I know what.
So I said, my driver's going to be in the lobby,
and he took me downstairs, and that's where I saw
the armory. And that's where I really wanted to work
(20:55):
for the Federal Garment when I was writing then. But
my first calling was, hey, I want to work for
a government.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
So I kept my.
Speaker 14 (21:02):
Nose clean all the way through college and I'm majored
in Russian history Russian politics. I was approached by someone
in the government agency in Virginia. I'm not going to
say who it is, but I'm sure you can put together.
And unfortunately that then pan out. So I said, I
always liked writing. I have a degree in history. I
like time travel, like I'm gonna date myself, like the
(21:23):
movies like The foun Countdown or the City on the
Edge of Forever.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
I believe it was called in Star Traffic time travel.
Speaker 14 (21:32):
And I said, why don't I combine all those things
and to make a novel where the main character has
to fix.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
The timeline because it goes it'skewed.
Speaker 14 (21:42):
And so far I'm four books in and I'm writing
the prequel to We Know Your Name.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
And this is the concept cover right here. That's a quote.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
He never gets writer's block. It's amazing.
Speaker 13 (21:54):
We had he had three books written, and he woke
up one night about three in the morning and are
you all right?
Speaker 11 (22:00):
Because No, I had a great dream.
Speaker 13 (22:02):
I've got an idea for book four, the book there
is no book for he goes there is now. So
we picked up and wrote book four first draft in
twelve months, and then picked up and wrote book three,
and we published the book three and book four together,
and now he's got a fifth book as a prequel
that he's putting out. So it's it's been an amazing journey,
been loads of Are.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
All the books like related?
Speaker 11 (22:25):
So it's a series. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
As I said before, the one that I have right
here is the prequel.
Speaker 14 (22:32):
Too We Know Your Name, and it goes to one
Way Roads, Horizon ob boundaries spent between the Methods and
Meds and two.
Speaker 13 (22:40):
So World War two is kind of the setting which
has always been super popular and yeah. We when Alpenheimer
came out, we got tickets the first day and went
and had to go see it.
Speaker 11 (22:50):
So, uh, we're super history books in that way.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
I love the time travel in it.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yes, I've always wanted to time travel, So I'm like,
I want to read the book back and where can
I find this Amazon?
Speaker 9 (23:03):
Amazon?
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Okay, Yeah, we know your name, I know he is.
Are enjoying it very much.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, I got up to sixty eight and I haven't
had a chance to go back to it because here's
what's happening. And I tell people all the time when
I'm traveling, I travel a lot, Like right now I'm
in Charlotte, North Carolina, and what next week, I'll be
in Little Rock, Arkansas for forty eight hours, and then
I'll be at be back in Los Angles for every week,
and then I got to go back and see.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Howard Nashville Film Festival.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
What September seventeenth to the twenty fourth, go back to
Los Angles, and then I have the Miss Olympia coming up.
I think it's August, I mean October sixth or something.
And then there's fill in the blanks and Cindy knows
what this like, I don't know how she goes overseas
and does stuff and comes back and looks the way
she looks.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I can't think there's that one out thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I mean this is this was and that was a
busy day and I had to take that photo. I'm like,
my god, I don't know. I don't know how she
does this. And Terry says, hi, because she couldn't.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Be here tonight.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
But you know, I don't know of a lot of
producers that will be out there marketing the way that
she does. And that's why I like her films, not
because she's here, but they're films again, award winners, a talent,
but it takes a long time to get these things done.
And I'm always reminding these people who are reaching out
to me, you have no idea.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
It's a patient game.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
There's patients, patient patients, but do not give up because
you just never know what's going to be opted bright Cindy.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
One hundred percent. And what I've been telling a lot
of people who are getting into the business lately is
there are things that our friend right now, YouTube being
one of you know, it used to be it when
I started the business. If you didn't come out theatrically,
your film wasn't any good. Now nobody cares you come
out theatrically. That's one thing. If you go straight to
Netflix or Amazon, nobody cares. They really don't. In fact,
(24:52):
you'll have more longevity coming out into this. But it
used to be that Netflix ruled the game. YouTube rules
the game right now. If anybody wants to make a movie,
I don't care how much money you've got, you've got,
you know, you can hit up all your friends and
family and can straight together ten thousand dollars. You can
(25:12):
go make a movie. You really can, and YouTube can
launch your entire career. So there's no reason for people anymore.
Because again, you can also do a short. People don't
realize that the power of shorts. If there's a really
good short that's been made. I mean, you know, Ariost
is one of my favorite horror directors. I don't know
(25:33):
if you guys know who he is, but he started
with us short. I think it was called Meeta Jones's
and if you guys haven't seen it, it was amazing
and it was his thesis for I think it was
you see that he was graduating from and all of
us knew to go for his next movies, and every
one of them has been just a massive hit. He's
(25:54):
signed to A two four now, so you know, yeah,
there's all different ways to make movies. I'm his advantage
of the entire world. You know, I was shooting I
think by movie. Two movies ago was Serbia, my last
movie was London. My next movie is Ireland. So I
just take advantage of wherever I can. And you know,
(26:16):
I'm lucky enough to be able to read a script
and be able to say, can I turn Ireland into
Chicago if I have to? The answers yes, depending on
how many locations there are, And it's unfortunate. I'm one
who's proud of California. I mean, I was a little
bummed out that our copper and half of California started
(26:37):
to leave, but I have to say I'm proud of
them for stepping forward right now and adding a ton
back into the reserve and hopefully California becomes a movie capital.
And I mean, I'm praying we do.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And I'm always telling people, which is why, you know what.
I was helping run Hollywood Film Festival in twenty fifteen,
and I brought the Chinese over. I saw how things
were changing there. We did it fifteen with no money.
We had no money, we almost had a MasterCard, and
it was between us and a soccer team. They went
with the soccer team. I said, wrong move, We've got
(27:11):
to do this, and.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
Then we didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
We didn't have we couldn't even get Getty there. But
we pulled it off.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And you know, I just knew at that point film
festivals were changing. I always support film festivals, as people know.
When I'm in Tennesseee how it comes with me whenever
I go to Georgia or you know, North North Carolina
or you know, Chicago or whatever, I'm doing that. But Cindy,
the one film festival besides my love is Santa Barbara
that I always see that's still that energy. There is
(27:36):
dances with films that whole casts come out, and I
just see that we've been having them on the film
those people, and I don't care if it takes me
in a year to get them on because we're always
four more in advance, and that I just know they
love coming on. And I always tell them this, get
a publicist. You need a publicist. You can reach out
to me. But it goes hand in hand because you
can only do so much. They made a great film,
(27:58):
but what good is it if nobody knows about it?
What good is it if you write a great book
like Eric and Nancy have written, but nobody knows about it.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You've got to just keep it. And it's like the
film these days, it really is. It takes a while
to get going because even the book wall was changed.
How do I know that?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I just remember talking to I think it was the
ten Meet People You've eat in Heaven or something like
that ABC TCA press day, And I'll never forget Ina.
He goes, Brian, I do my book signings in Detroit,
Michigan at the Michigan Entire Place.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I go, what this is an OA?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
He told me that, and I said, wow, if he's
doing it there, things were changing.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
There's not a lot of Barnes and Nobles, Howard knows.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
In Franklin, Tennessee, there's the oldest bookstore there and I
went there and I always.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Get it because I'm not that author. I'm going to
have a ghost writer. But I'm doing these things for
those people out there because they reach out to me
all the time. Hey we see the show, I see
you in person. How do I do this?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And I just give them names, reach out to so
and so, and don't be depressed or upset that they
hadn't got back to you. Cindy, you know what. So
I like to get all these things down at you.
I can only imagine what Hunter has to go through.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
I mean I do. And thanks for recognizing Dances with Films.
I was on the board of them when they first started.
That they really are a really good film festival. I
mean going back to the films that I choose. I
choose movies that I know I can market and that
I can help market. So when you look at my
next film, three of my friends had squatters, and so
(29:25):
I was listening to how the story of squatters are
and I personally didn't know the laws that anybody can
come into your house. Most people don't realize this. Of course,
if you're out of town for months at a time
and someone gets into your house, they've got as much
rates as you do, even though it's your property. Same
thing if you let a boyfriend, a girlfriend, a husband
(29:47):
and wife move into your place and they're getting mail
at your house, your house, try to get them out.
So I was horrified the rules of squatters and decided
to make a movie about it because all of a sudden,
I said, well, wait a minute, this is Pacific Heights
meets Cape Fear. This is terrifying, right, And because I
(30:07):
wanted people to note that that exists out there, I thought, oh,
we can market this movie in a great way. I
actually want to get in front of Congress in the
Senate to try to change the laws of squatting. And
so it becomes a movie that can take on a
life of its own because of the topic that it is.
Same thing, like I said, in Sync is about to
(30:29):
have a thirtieth anniversary. So I'm jumping on now. So
by the time their thirtieth anniversary comes out, we're in
it together. And even John Lennon people said, you know,
am I worried about the John Lennon or the Beatles
movie that's getting made right now, But that's about the
Beatles at a younger age. Mine deals with something that
(30:50):
a lot of people don't realize, which is John Lennon
sued Richard Nixon.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
So this whole.
Speaker 10 (30:56):
Discussion of this administration was the first administration to get
sue that's not true. John Lennon did it, and my
John Lennon project deals with immigration and politics, so I
couldn't have a more timely topic right now with to me,
one of the greatest songwriters ever. So now when you
hear imagine a listening to those words and you see
(31:17):
what John Lennon was going through when him and Yogo
first came to America, I have a whole other way
to market this movie. And it's so timely. I mean,
it's everything that is now but told through the eyes
of John Lennon thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
The interesting thing about that and talking them coming to
you next is that we had Brian Rothschall's with the
Lennon's bus. We helped support that, and then Ivar Davis,
who's one of our good fun friends. He went on
the first tour with the Beatles, so it's always good
to hap him on once a year. They're talking about
all those things and keep that out there because everybody
is older. And I've always said, you've got to talk
to those icons why they're there. The last six years
(31:54):
we've lost so we've lost too many people, too many,
too too many, and I Tasha would go to you quick,
and then Christina and Eric whatever question. You have to
asked Cindy before I say that, Tash. So we gotta
we gotta give thanks to John Fabreau. And the reason
for that is I was there.
Speaker 10 (32:16):
Very bad thing exactly John. Anybody knew really who he was.
He had one movie called Swingers and then Us and
go figure that he would be one of the best
directors that we've got now.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And brings in the marvel world of everything amazing. And
that's what I miss about doing in person junkets because
I remember doing Swingers. Vince Man's mom Chase. It's one
of my very close friends. He would have known you
can't make these things up. And you know, because of
Shade I turned her down three times. Vince said, you're crazy, Brian,
I said, yeah, but I wasn't ready for your mom.
(32:49):
You know that's why ww TV and Worldwide TV Network,
which was formerly the Woman's Broadcast TV Network, where we
have over three million views on it. It's because of Shaye.
She took a chance on us, and that's what started
kicking us off. In twenty seventeen, Nasha, go ahead, I
know you've got things coming up.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Yes, so well, I mean I haven't been on here
for a while. I just want to update everybody really want.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
Of monumental.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
A lot of monumental things have been happening. I moved
in with my boyfriend of eight years for the first time,
so it's been very nice coexisting with each other and
learning things we didn't even know.
Speaker 9 (33:31):
About each other. So it's been a you know, it's
been super fun.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
I've been feeling super inspired when it comes musically, which
has been really nice. I felt like before I moved out,
I kind of wasn't in the right mindset, and now
I feel like I'm more clear, and I'm like, you know,
radiating all this energy and really beautiful about it. I've
been like really on my social media all my brand,
(33:54):
building my brand with music, with my skincare and beauty business,
and crazy enough how it's important to be super consistent
on social media, especially if you're building your brand. I
had this event reach out to me that it was
about empowering women, and they're like.
Speaker 9 (34:12):
We've been watching you on social media and we really.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
Want you to come into our events and host a
section where you're talking about, you know, what you do
and how you help empower women that feel that they're
like in a monotone place in their life and want
something exciting and something that makes me feel like, you know,
their their number one and it's equally as important as everybody.
(34:35):
And it got me super excited, and I'm doing it
this Saturday, and I'm super nervous because I've never done
anything like that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
But you know, every squirrels, what are you talking about?
Speaker 9 (34:47):
I know, but that's different. It's different.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
It's a different things.
Speaker 9 (34:52):
Like I've never done that before.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
So I you know, I've been like really anxious these
past days, but it makes me really proud that what
I I've been doing and what I've been implementing on
my social media strategy is getting seen by the right niche.
So I've been very proud of myself and been starting
to write again.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
And you know, we're in a good spot. We're in
a good spot, and I'm very proud of myself.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Let me tell you about Tosh. Tosh has been with
us for five years, almost going on six. Every time
she comes on a show, she gets something I love
the job, or something happens some day. But when she's
not on, she's busy doing things.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
But we're still talking about her, which is the way
you're supposed to do Erka Christina with the question do
you have for Sindy?
Speaker 10 (35:41):
He's looking at me.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
You're thinking about it as a couple. See hilarious.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
We're sure a braid. It's really scary. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I guess.
Speaker 13 (35:49):
One of the questions that I would have is I've
read so much about how books get optioned and kind
of learning all about the industry.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
We'd love to know.
Speaker 13 (35:58):
More about how that, how that works, and how would
we go about getting something like that going.
Speaker 10 (36:06):
I presume you guys have a book agent. So a
lot of times the book agents are familiarizing Hollywood with
different books that are out on the market. We also
all look for all different books at all times. You know,
from the TV side to the film side. You know,
there are people that are doing World War you know
(36:27):
one movies, and so they will specifically go down a
line to see what's available. The option cost depends on
is it a New York Times bestseller?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Is it not?
Speaker 10 (36:37):
Has the book been out there forever is it not?
Is this something that you know somebody doesn't want to
option for a lot of money, but they're willing to
put a lot of money to getting a writer to
write it. So It just really depends on what people
are looking for at the time and how important and
how many books more importantly have been sold. Like what
(36:58):
the what the eyeballs it are? If it's a well
known ip, it's pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Ancy Potter, you got a question.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Oh, I wanted to show you my book.
Speaker 10 (37:07):
I love that.
Speaker 12 (37:09):
That's the flatboat that he grew up on. That's a flatboat,
and that's he and his wife after they were wealthy.
I just I think it's so pretty. Ihead a guy
from Trumper too who just became an American citizen did
that for me, so anyway, I had to.
Speaker 10 (37:23):
Show that off. Good bless and bless him. Well, thank
got he got in before they're making it difficult. But
I'm sorry I said, congrats for him for becoming an American.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Wasn't that cool?
Speaker 10 (37:34):
I thought that was so wonderful.
Speaker 12 (37:36):
I know me too, But I think she kind of
answered my question, which is I'm trying to start the
process and part of it it just seems so specific.
Speaker 10 (37:46):
I mean, what I would tell both of you guys are,
because your books are very different things, is research producers
that make movies that are similar to what your book is.
You know, for you guys, you know who's made movies
that are about war Because a lot of times people
stick to a niche and then literally Cole call them
(38:07):
and say, we've got a book that's you know, that
is in this kind of specific field. Same thing for you.
Is your book Lifetime? Is it Hallmark? Are you trying
to do a mini series? Does it fit into that category?
Or is this you know, more current, more sexual, in
which case it might be Netflix, it might be Amazon. Again,
they're probably going to want to know how many eyeballs
(38:28):
have seen the book. That really is dependent on how
much people option the books for but you can always
start out to differences depending on the niche shows.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Howard Wiggins tell her who your dad is, because I
have not seen a documentary or anything yet on the
Grand Old Opery. Tell how your dad started and where
you come.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
I did started when he was thirteen years old and
he started playing still guitar with Adie Arnold and we
actually moved right next to him, and where I live
in all my Christmas dinners were with Eddie Arnold and
any Girl and Brentwood started because of my father because
when he heard my father at thirteen, he said, you
(39:11):
can I'll use my whole entire life.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
But Eddie's music.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Went from country to more popular music. So he started
the Arnold Company here in Brentwood, and he started Brentwood.
And since my dad was on the opry, all the
opry stars started coming to live in Brentwood. And on
the street where I lived, it was Jim ed Brown,
Bobby Lloyd, Peter Davis, Ralph Emery, Jim Red Brown all
(39:38):
on the street. And then and then Brenda Lee's h
stepdad was across the street. So the whole neighborhood was
just like a party all the time on Saturday. Of Course,
when I was young, country wasn't cool, so I didn't
yell anybody until I got older. And then when I
got older, I told everybody because my son likes country
(39:59):
and and.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I liked rock. So anyway, that's.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
That's the story on that, and Lorie Morgan too. He
played with Lori Morgan and Patsy Kline a little bit.
And it's just an interesting life. And of course I
know Dolly. That's my big thing is. You know, Dolly's
lost her husband now and she told me I would
be right, So I'm waiting for that phone call.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
You never know, you never know.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I loved your photo shoot you put out this week, Howard.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
That that was just that was really cool.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
Paul, Paul Schmidt is his name, and he did an
awesome job. He's still working. I think we've got something
like three hundred pictures and uh, he's gonna slowly release him.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
And then we got.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
Another shoot that we're probably doing the fall, so I'm
kind of working on that too. And it was just
him and his wife and me and that was it.
No makeup artist, a wardrobe person, know anything. I hope
the next one gets a little bit more involved. But
and it was hot, Oh my god, it was hot,
but left But what I did enjoy There was one
(41:09):
part where these high school people were going down to
town and Paul was taking a picture of me and
some of the high schools kids.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
Said are you a star?
Speaker 6 (41:18):
And I said, well I am today.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
You know, start every day, Howard, every day?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Well else's well, ciddy.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
He has the dancing video and we talk about every
every couple of shows because it continues to go up
on our shorts. The last count was two hundred and
seven thousand and a nine second clip. Just one he's got,
He's got I think six that I put up the
different songs, and they just the audience likes some of them,
and you know, I'll tell them. I don't understand how
(41:52):
or why. I'm glad that they do, so I'm happy
for that. Hey, we got a couple of minutes left.
You were asking about recent things coming up? What is
that steph of War on Apple TV, which is actually
a good series Stays in Mamay if people haven't seen it,
How Walt Disney Built America on Hulu.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
It's a six part no. Seven seven episodes.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
It's really good because it talks about everybody goes to
those struggles and everything, but you never know what they
really go through, right, Cindy, And all you see is
just you see the buildings, you see the film coming out,
but it's about the process of everything that they went through.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Her.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Okay, I know your story, Nancy, I know your story.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
You know Tosh, and you know even when Howard and
even caryll On, you know her her hotel in Chile.
But it's one of those things where I love watching
those and that's why those things are important. And Cindy,
I can't wait to see what you're gonna do with
within sink because Lance Bass and I we shuld just
hang out, you know when he left that and he
was just the nicest kid when he started doing movies
(42:54):
for Merrimax and everything, and I'm like, why do I
keep running into Lance and you know, and it was
just you. I just missed those days because not everybody
lives in California anymore, as she was saying, which is unfortunate, you.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Know, even you, Brian.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Speaking of dancing with films, I want to shout out
one of my clients, Tiffany von Cox. She is in
the series Reasonable Doubt on Disney Plus and Hulu and
she had one of her films selected there, Short selected
and she's doing an investor reading at Soho House this
(43:34):
coming week on that project.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
So I'm pretty excited for her.
Speaker 10 (43:40):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Oh and I forgot I better mention. This American Warrior
with Danny Treyhill comes out on demand and in theaters
August twenty ninth. That's important because again a lot of
these independent films that are out there, and Danny Trail
was as a fascinating story. I remember ennything him a
MPR offices when he first started. And again it's look
(44:02):
it's great to see where everybody's gone sending again going
back to very bad things. Look at that task where
everybody is now. It's just unbelievable. You know, Peter Berg,
he's one of my favorite directors. Who would have known,
you know, he would have gone on. So thank you
Sindy for bringing Peter and hiring.
Speaker 10 (44:18):
Him real quick.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
We got about four or five minutes left. A how
do people reach out to you for things? In general?
How do they follow you?
Speaker 10 (44:26):
Which one of us are we speak to? Cindy, you
can follow me on Instagram, it's Cindy ci N d
y c O w A N the number one thousand,
that's the same thing. On X On Facebook, it's just
my name, Cindy Cowen. And on LinkedIn, I think it's
just my name and if anybody wants to reach out
to me, Hunter is my gatekeeper. It's executive at Cowen's
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c O w A n e nt.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Dot com, Christina social media lineese you and Eric, So.
Speaker 13 (44:57):
He's got I think we put him in the chat,
but they're you can follow him on Instagram. You can
also follow him on Facebook, and we're also on LinkedIn,
so the two of us, we're separated on LinkedIn, he's
got the author profile and just mind separate, but definitely
in those places We're not on x but definitely can
look into that. And then also we have on Instagram,
we do have trailers for a couple of the books
(45:19):
that we've had produced and put out there for which
has been fun. So that's been entertaining some people. What
people keep asking is it a movie?
Speaker 11 (45:28):
Not yet?
Speaker 2 (45:31):
And I always say that for the radio portion everybody
because a lot we have a lot of people listening
on Siri and you know, everything like that, which is
quite interesting. I didn't know that until four years ago.
Carol register social media links for everybody.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
I'm at neuro Coach Carol on i G just like
neuroscience Neurocoach Carol, and then Carol register on Facebook and
LinkedIn as well.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
And your podcast.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Unleasha and Unstoppable and that is going super strong. I'd
love for you to follow and listen. We talk about
the neuroscience of leadership, health and wealth and Eric, you
have been a major guest. I loved having you and
talking about the Pegasus series of your book, as well
as Brian has been on the show. If you're interested
(46:20):
in more publicity and visibility.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Just reach out to me vocally, Tash.
Speaker 8 (46:26):
Well, you can find me at well please Tosh on
all platforms, on all streaming platforms, you find me as
Natasha Rumbos. And you can music YouTube as well. I
have music videos, and uh yeah, that's the way to
reach out to me. And thank you for everybody that's
on the show tonight. So happy to be here and
we'll definitely see more of me now that I'm back too.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
And I like that video where you were dancing and
you fell down. That was funny.
Speaker 8 (46:55):
Ohs and five shots of tequila.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Venezuela and her Nancy Potter.
Speaker 12 (47:04):
Uh is it my website Nancy Potter author dot com.
Find some interesting things on there and on on Facebook
and Instagram at Nancy Potter Author.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Howard Wiggins Howard Wiggins Facebook of course, movies review and
mo work. I've got my own I'm really going more
into the interior design. So I'm going to open up
a place in Chattanooga pretty soon, and uh that's what
I'm looking forward to. And I've got my own look
called stackedon later because my place is little and I've
(47:35):
got nothing but to go up with it.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
My mansion room while you in and in the entryway.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Uh huh, what's that? What's that behind you? Cindy, It's
all authentic. You know, he's had.
Speaker 6 (47:48):
If you watch me on Facebook, you'll see pretty much
all the rings.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
You know, sooner or later, m h in the count
and you get the last word.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Tell people why is should support the arts and how
can they find some of your films, just a couple
of films that you suggest people go and look back
at because it's the thing of the Disney model. Every
seven years someone knew was born. So there's a lot
of people that haven't seen things.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
For me.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
You know, traffic was on to interview everybody in that
film because you never know what's gonna happen. You get
these inclinations and when in Winds you're like, thank god,
I did that interview and they're classic because Luke, what
don Cheetah and and everybody is in that film very
bad things again again, look what John Fabureau is you had,
you know, Cindy and I mean Christina and Eric.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
You gotta thank John Fabruare for what.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
You're doing because if it weren't for John bringing back
the Marvel world and everything, you know, like that. We
gotta thank Cindy Kallen for that. Cindy last word. A
couple favorite movies, real quick, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (48:45):
Favorite movies, favorite movies ever or now in general, because
if we're doing well, I'll give you present. I was
blown away with and it was blown Away with Sinners.
Those are the two that really stuck in my mind
for recess favorite movies ever. I don't think we'll ever
find a movie as perfect as Shindler's List. Yes, I
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love Silence of the Lambs. And by the way, I
loved Wizard of Oz, I mean, and I love Wicked,
taking it all the way to all the incarnations of it.
So I'm all over the board with what I.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Like, all right.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
And the reason I really wanted to do this show
because the last bad show I had, Cindy Kowen was
on it.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
It wasn't her, it was me.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
I had a bad computer and I called the office
the next together, she goes, Brian.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
I feel bad for you. You know, I kept going in
and out like Howard was doing. Cindy. We haven't had
a bad show since then. So this is my show.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
No, So as I say to everybody, thank you for
coming on it's never easy to put all these things together.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yet, like three more people exactly, I say this. I
have a good night, tonight, a better day tomorrow. You
see someone with out a smile, please give them one
of yours, because the world needs it, really needs it.
I am Bryan
Speaker 2 (49:57):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Either it's Brian Sebastian movie reviews and more. If it's Tuesday,
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you know what, support the arts first of all, we
got to support anything when it comes to music, films, authors, artists,
you name it. And obviously we're streaming on over one
hundred outlets right now. Talk for Media, k FO HD Radio,
Talk for A TV and I love however you all
the hosts.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Pop one at the last minute. I just love this.
You know, it's that's usual. Thank you women.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You know it's a great thing about this because this
show is special. Where let's see how many shows one
hundred and sixty six live shows in a row, we're
still on our street, forty million views in county out
of it, two four seven out of Franklin, Tennessee, and
around the world. So the good thing about that is
there's a lot of people listening in because that's not
because of Cindy Cowen. It's not because of hers, because
of Eric his wife, and Danon.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Potter and everybody else. But you know everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I gotta say hi to Free and friends in Singapore
because they're they're watching their Nashville, Tennessee, Houston, Texas. Rachel
Wild chef Rachel Roberson is not on because she's got
bad Internet, Harry says, Hi, Cindy Town because she's working
on her stuff. I'll register out of Florida. I want
to go ahead introduce the hose first. I'm going to
get into everybody else.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Go ahead, Carol, Hi, I'm Carol Register. And it's really
lovely to be here with you guys. I'm super excited
to get to know you. Eric and Christina, of course
we've met. I'm so excited to see you again, and
Cindy and Nancy. I'm so looking forward to being with
you and vocally Toash I take women from six to
(02:36):
seven from here. She's using the neuro wealth method and
it's a guaranteed process.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
So I love doing what I do.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I also have fantastic retreats at my boutique hotel in
the Andes Mountains instead. And right now we've got some
location focused retreats going on, so that interest you, just
reach out and DM me and I'll share great info
with you.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And there's Howard. Yes, Howard, I got hear you.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yay, got some great beauty kitchen I cream for you
by the way.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah, it's lovely to be here.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Thank you, all right, Howard Wiggins. Since we got sound
and you tell them who you want, where you're coming from.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Howard Wiggins, Brentwood, Tennessee, son of literary Wiggins, plays so guitar,
one of the top thirty five leading interior designers. And
I had my own design look called stack and Layered,
Let's see and I'm in He'll be called without Warning.
And another one in Hollywood if it gets a little
(03:44):
bit more funding called Who's going to take care of Me?
Speaker 7 (03:47):
That's it?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And vocally Tash and we got you in the dark
a little bit. But something's going on in Miami, Go Tash.
Speaker 8 (03:53):
Yeah it's I don't know what's going on, but hello, Hi,
It's Natasha Tosh baby vocally Tosh and I'm a singer songwriter,
Urban Latin singer, songwriter, but I do.
Speaker 9 (04:04):
A little bit of everything.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
I'm into digital marketing, network marketing and kind of learning
all the ways to be able to monetize in multiple
ways using my social media. So I've been, you know,
diving into that, diving into music, and I'm very happy
to be here with you guys today. It's been a
while and I was like, I need to be on
the show tonight. It's been a long time, so I'm
(04:27):
happy to be back.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And it's funny every time she comes on, something good
happens to her, just like we know Carol so.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
So we've got award winning authors on here shee before
we get to send me.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Because that's this is special, you know, all of our
show is a special because it's about helping people in
the arts. Doesn't matter if you're an artist, doesn't matter,
if you're an author, doesn't matter. If your producer, independent
film need help theaters. You need to support theater onners
going to see those movies. So when it comes to
Nanty Potter, best selling author Barbarie's Cut Out of Houston, Texas,
(05:02):
the one and only Nanty Potter, we haven't seen her
in a long time. Award winning author from Arizona and
his wife, Christina. I've not met a couple where you know,
the wife says, honey, I love you so much. You
stay home and write those novels and I'll go to
work and help everybody. Great thing for women. I've never
seen anybody do that, but there are great people.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And when do you get married to star wars and costumes,
it can't go wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So his project, Petat says he's going to talk about
and that's a great thing about that all still and
he's also award winner too. And then when it comes
to this young lady, I haven't seen her, I think
in two years in person, but every time, you know,
I thank her, and she doesn't need to know that
I thank her. Got to say high to Hunter because
her hersstant he's just great, knows what he's doing. I
love calling him on my counter. I got some authors,
(05:48):
I got some things for her. Let me know what
Cindy's doing. What is she working on?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Because it's about going out to support those diinters, theaters
and you know those projects. And when you have something.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Like you know, being that first chair of the West
Coast chair for Let's see Little Kids Rock, which I
like about music because while marching in the world, the
drummed bigacorps, underprivileged kids watching the arts like that, you
need to support them no matter what. And when you're
that Oscar nominated, that Emmy Award producer, even that telling
a winner for short films.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yes, Cindy, I know everything off the top of my
head about you. It's well, you can't you can't go wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And I think I interviewed her for the movie Traffic
Going Back because I just remember doing all of those junkets.
But what I really like, you know, one of my
very favorite films. It's very bad things. And I have
to give her credit because sitting across and having drinks
with Cameron Diaz in Toronto with Ben Stiller, and then
having Christian Slater come back when he got arrested.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I did his first interview and Christian was so happy
that it was me and not some gossip person. We
had a great time.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's one of my best films that I really enjoy.
And my hat goes off to all the things that
you've done with all your feature films. And I don't know,
I think she's gonna us about boy George or who
knows I haven't seen along.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Who knows she's got a lot of things going on.
I want to know they send you, Sindy. I'm not
going to talk anymore. Take it away.
Speaker 10 (07:10):
That was a great intro. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
And Ye Have Very Bad Things is my favorite.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's a great film.
Speaker 10 (07:17):
It was Peter Berg's first directorial. We were The Hangover
Before The Hangover. We so many different films were variations
and ripoffs of ours after that one, but thank You.
It was great.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, the reason why I bring that up and why
everybody is listening around the world and everything is because
look where all they are now.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Jeremy Pivey.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You know, we all became friends me just by supporting
their films.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I'm not that actor. I don't do that stuff. That's
not my gig.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
My My thing is watching films and music and helping
getting everything.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Going like that.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's really really important my work and helping those women
projects women. You know, I don't care if you're in
the world of dressage or the world of bodybuilding. It's very,
very important because I felt back in eight people weren't
getting their due. And I just remember Cindy before I
let anybody on sitting, you know, working on the ranch
in the hot sun, and said, when I go to
a dressage show, I saw that when nobody was getting
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publicity in that world. This when we were spending thousands
of dollars on their horses, hey, you name it. And
then the world of bodybuilding, they weren't getting any recognition.
And I said, I'm going to change that. And this
is what movie reviews and Morris all about. Helping these
women out there, our audiences, more women than it is men.
It's fifty two, forty eight, forty.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Forty nine, and I love that around the world.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Cindy, talk about what's been happening with you, talk about
AI and we'll get into everybody else.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
Go for it.
Speaker 10 (08:41):
Yeah, I mean, I just had a movie that came
out theatrically and then went number one on Ulu and Amazon,
which I didn't know you could do both. It was
called Cleaner. Martin Campbell directed it. Who did my two
favorite James Bond movies Book Golden I and I got
it just blinked on the other one. He's phenomenal and
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you know Daisy Ridley start in it from Star Wars
and five Owen. We have a thriller coming out as
soon as Stranger Things comes out with Sony Jamie Campbell
Bauer who plays Vecna and Stranger Things is in it.
So we're timing that release, and then I'm about to
start another thriller. I think we're I'm off to Ireland,
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which is where we're looking to shoot the next one.
And then I go into two music based projects, one
being John Lennon, which is a miniseries in sync project
that you were alluding to, which is great, and hopefully
we're tying that in within since thirtieth anniversary.
Speaker 11 (09:45):
You know, that's amazing.
Speaker 10 (09:50):
It's a lot of people don't realize that way before
I got into a songwriter, So it's amazing to go
full circle and get back into something I love, which
is music, can be able to tie both together. It's great.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's great.
Speaker 10 (10:03):
Yeah, thank you, Cindy.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
You make this sound so easy, like you have so
many projects going on.
Speaker 9 (10:09):
How do you handle all of them at the How
do you handle them all?
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (10:13):
Yeah, not easy. Everybody who's saying that our business is
getting tougher and tougher is not kidding. It's the business
is tough, you know, you know, Briani kind of said
talk about AI. I'm a AI right now. You know,
there are good things with AI and the fact that
if somebody wants to do a film and they hardly
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have any money, and you you know, the kids are
much smarter than I am. You're afraid of AI, like
I am. I'm a little afraid of it. But you
know what you can do your effects, you can do music,
you can do sound, you can do everything on AI,
and that's great. What's not great for me is I'm
old school and those are a lot of my friends
that are losing their jobs, so it it worries me
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a little bit. And then just the flux of the
world right now, my next movie should be in America
and it's not. We're going in Ireland, so it's a
little bit tricky right now. The one thing that I
tell most filmmakers that is, you never know when your
project is going. We do know when our next one
is going. So it's good to have a couple in
the pipeline at all costs because I'm at the mercy
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of when an actor is available.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
That makes a lot of sense to have, you know,
right now, I think it's more important than ever to
have multiple streams of income and that really aligns with
having multiple projects lined up, and then you're not at
a loss if one doesn't come through.
Speaker 10 (11:38):
Absolutely, and I think a lot of filmmakers now, at
least in my world, we're looking for projects that can
multi hyphenet roads of equity and financial rewards coming back
to you. So some of the music based projects, we'll
look at turning them into Broadway plays, or we'll look
at adding additional music that then we can help control
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all different ways to get the financing their money back.
And then some I want every movie to be super successful.
Speaker 12 (12:06):
I love Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You know, Nancy, tell Cindy who you are, where you're
coming from, how you wrote your book, because I always
tell people you know things. They don't realize what what
goes into producing. It's a lot of hard work. And
the strange thing when I last Cindy, you know, uh,
is that Melissa Melissa's aren't after red carpet thing in Beverly.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Hills And I'm like, my god, she looks beautiful. Still,
how does she? I was saying, how does she do
these things? Well?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I don't say it just to say it. I say
it's true. I mean, but but the reason why I
say these things. I'm always relaying messages for my friends.
By the way, Aaron Gavin says hi to you, and
Landy Stout says hi to you, because they're coming up
next next two weeks. But it's one of these things.
They don't realize how long things take to get going.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It could take years.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
And I tell them the average documentary takes seven years
to do. So you know, when Nancy was writing her book, Nancy,
I'm putting words in him out Nancy, Sorry, gud tell
him how long it took to write your book?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
And it became a bestseller.
Speaker 12 (13:10):
Thirty eight years. Based on thirty eight years. I was
just two when I started. It's a based on the
life of my great grandfather. It's, you know, the true
American story. Started out on a flatboat on the Mississippi River,
very poor, and became one of the wealthiest men in
the South at the turn of the nineteenth century. And
(13:34):
it's just fascinating. He was able to do all of
these things with no technology. He had offices in Europe eventually,
and offices in Mexico and all over this country and
houses and how he kept that going. I have no idea,
but it's not just a story. I think I tried
to make it a story that everyone would like. The
businessman love. It has business in it.
Speaker 10 (13:55):
The women love.
Speaker 12 (13:55):
It has romance, a few things, you know, dalliance is
going on. And my house is, as I'm sitting in here,
full of things from my great grandparents. So I have
his glasses, his wallets, have all their passports, I have
some of their clothes. I have furniture from their house,
and so I'm immersed in them, and I have been
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all my life because my grandmother, their daughter, was always
talking about them, and in fact, the next book that.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I'm just started writing is about her.
Speaker 12 (14:24):
So he goes, well, I don't want to tell you
the whole story because I'll ruin it. The next book
that I'm started is about her and about how her
life turns out after her father dies. And it was
just it was a labor of love. I have a
handicapped child. That took twenty years of my life, but
it was always going to happen. And now it's going
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to be a mini series. I just know it's to
be because it's very long. It's five hundred and fifty pages,
and it has really interesting characters and different parts of
the world right after World War One, and just it's
full of history, it's got a little everything. So I
think it has a lot of potential as a miniseries.
(15:06):
And so I'm trying to learn how to use AI
Cindy to make a treatment or a bible, and I
get them all confused.
Speaker 10 (15:13):
I literally, I'm so afraid of it. And I know
I'm not supposed to say that. Everybody says I if
you're not into it, you're going to be left behind.
And that's why hunters here on my Hunter use it.
I literally I'm one of those people though that's a public,
private person, and I'm just I think my fears of
AI are just having too much info. So I don't
(15:33):
want to ask it anything. I don't I don't need
an AI boyfriend, an AI assistant, I don't want any
of that. I just want to keep, you know, I
don't want to keep employing and having real connections with
real people. Right saying that it will pop out your
nerror very easily, and you just need to plug in
you know, specific lines that you want and then just
say to it, can you put this into treatment for them?
Speaker 9 (15:55):
For me?
Speaker 10 (15:55):
You will have to fix it. But it will do it.
It is crazy.
Speaker 12 (15:59):
I have two seasons sort of kind of broken down
into episodes and anyway, I'm getting it into the weeds.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
But that's great.
Speaker 10 (16:09):
Good for you, Yes, and.
Speaker 12 (16:11):
I'm I'm determined, just like I was determined. The book's
going to be published and it's going to be a
wonderful miniseries.
Speaker 10 (16:17):
Yeah, good for you. You know, again to what he
was saying at the beginning, people have no idea even
when we did Traffic, I got Traffic after it had
been out there for years. I think Traffic took probably
eleven years to get made.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (16:33):
You know, it had so many different iterations with I
think Tommy Lee Jones was attached and Nicholas Cage was attached,
and it was only when it came to us that
we lowered the budget, put Michael Douglas and Catherine Zada
Jones in, it, revammed what it was, and it got made.
But same thing with Forrest Gump. I think Forrest Gump
took fifteen years to get made. So it's just, you know,
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it's crazy how quick time goes. It is.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
And Brian, that reminds me same kind of time period
for you too, Eric Bogey, Right, with writing your book
and getting it out there. Yeah, I know, I always
say it wrong. I give it that little extra love that.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
You remember every time you're going to a donation.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
That was the case, right.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Eric and Christina talk about why you guys got married
first of all in Star Wars Gap, but also talk about,
you know, the partnership because I I tell people you
know on the show and outside about your coup you too,
and what makes this work? Eric always writing you know,
he'll text me and I'll call him right here of that,
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you know, of what you're doing, and just going to
book conventions and being just the dapper person that you are.
I love this and this when I when I get
a chance to see you guys, I think it's special
because I'm just relaying messages of how hard it is
get things in people's hands and what's going on.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
What's stuff like that?
Speaker 13 (18:01):
Oh yeah, goodness, it's It's such a It's a supportive
position for sure, because he's the artist and I work
in health care technology, so it gives me the ability
to be able to support him and his dream and
I want to see him win that.
Speaker 11 (18:12):
That's my vision and my goal there. But I think
getting getting married him.
Speaker 13 (18:16):
He's just he's gorgeous and has beautiful eyes and has
a soul that just speaks to me. It always has,
So he's just a good He's one of the last
good ones left.
Speaker 11 (18:27):
And I always tell his.
Speaker 13 (18:28):
Mom, I do laundry and I can cook, yes, And
so while I'm working and he's writing in between heats breaks,
I tell him, you got to rest your mind. It's
really really important to do that. So I kind of
help him with marketing and some social media.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Sidneim like you.
Speaker 13 (18:44):
AI scares me, So AI is tricky when it comes
to healthcare and information and knowledge.
Speaker 11 (18:50):
So I'm a hure and we're.
Speaker 13 (18:52):
Sticking our toes in the water in our organization. But
it's it's very a little scary and frightening. But I
think with supporting Eric, it's fun for me. It's a
whole for an industry and world that we're learning about.
So you mentioned Forrest Gum. We actually saw this really
great documentary on the movies that made us and I
learned so much about how movies get made from book
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to treatment to the screen, and it sounded exhausting but fun.
Speaker 14 (19:20):
What we found interesting about Forrest Gump since we brought
that up. It was not a national best seller. It
flocked and when they wrote the script they put in
some archive or bolt they said in Hollywood, and one
producer says, hey, this has potential, and she went with it.
And guess what now we see to you know eight
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or where are Academy Awards?
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Only one layer?
Speaker 13 (19:44):
We quote movies all the time, so we're kind of
we have t shirts say we speak in movie quotes.
Speaker 10 (19:51):
That's great.
Speaker 11 (19:52):
So my biggest goal is.
Speaker 13 (19:54):
Hey, maybe there's a movie quote that's going to be
from his book somewhere in that movie quotes that we keep.
Speaker 11 (19:57):
Quoting to each other all the time. R.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, Eric, talk about your background on how you started writing.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Then sudden we're coming back to your heead Eric.
Speaker 14 (20:05):
Well, I started when I was fourteen. That was in
nineteen eighty five, so that is that is a d
not BC guys.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
So I just going to get.
Speaker 14 (20:17):
So sent me to Watchington d C. And I always
loved history and I got lost in the Capitol building.
This is a little four foot kid walking back and
forth in the capitouilding.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
And the DC copses, where are you doing? Kid? So
I try to find I'm trying to find the chambers.
Speaker 14 (20:33):
You missed it six times, right down the hallway by
puppet and he says, where's your parents. I said, they're
in Florida. He said, excuse me. I said, you know, Florida.
You know, but let's say He said, I know what.
So I said, my driver's going to be in the lobby,
and he took me downstairs, and that's where I saw
the armory. And that's where I really wanted to work
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for the Federal Garment when I was writing then. But
my first calling was, hey, I want to work for
a government.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
So I kept my.
Speaker 14 (21:02):
Nose clean all the way through college and I'm majored
in Russian history Russian politics. I was approached by someone
in the government agency in Virginia. I'm not going to
say who it is, but I'm sure you can put together.
And unfortunately that then pan out. So I said, I
always liked writing. I have a degree in history. I
like time travel, like I'm gonna date myself, like the
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movies like The foun Countdown or the City on the
Edge of Forever.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
I believe it was called in Star Traffic time travel.
Speaker 14 (21:32):
And I said, why don't I combine all those things
and to make a novel where the main character has
to fix.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
The timeline because it goes it'skewed.
Speaker 14 (21:42):
And so far I'm four books in and I'm writing
the prequel to We Know Your Name.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
And this is the concept cover right here. That's a quote.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
He never gets writer's block. It's amazing.
Speaker 13 (21:54):
We had he had three books written, and he woke
up one night about three in the morning and are
you all right?
Speaker 11 (22:00):
Because No, I had a great dream.
Speaker 13 (22:02):
I've got an idea for book four, the book there
is no book for he goes there is now. So
we picked up and wrote book four first draft in
twelve months, and then picked up and wrote book three,
and we published the book three and book four together,
and now he's got a fifth book as a prequel
that he's putting out. So it's it's been an amazing journey,
been loads of Are.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
All the books like related?
Speaker 11 (22:25):
So it's a series. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
As I said before, the one that I have right
here is the prequel.
Speaker 14 (22:32):
Too We Know Your Name, and it goes to one
Way Roads, Horizon ob boundaries spent between the Methods and
Meds and two.
Speaker 13 (22:40):
So World War two is kind of the setting which
has always been super popular and yeah. We when Alpenheimer
came out, we got tickets the first day and went
and had to go see it.
Speaker 11 (22:50):
So, uh, we're super history books in that way.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
I love the time travel in it.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yes, I've always wanted to time travel, So I'm like,
I want to read the book back and where can
I find this Amazon?
Speaker 9 (23:03):
Amazon?
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Okay, Yeah, we know your name, I know he is.
Are enjoying it very much.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, I got up to sixty eight and I haven't
had a chance to go back to it because here's
what's happening. And I tell people all the time when
I'm traveling, I travel a lot, Like right now I'm
in Charlotte, North Carolina, and what next week, I'll be
in Little Rock, Arkansas for forty eight hours, and then
I'll be at be back in Los Angles for every week,
and then I got to go back and see.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Howard Nashville Film Festival.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
What September seventeenth to the twenty fourth, go back to
Los Angles, and then I have the Miss Olympia coming up.
I think it's August, I mean October sixth or something.
And then there's fill in the blanks and Cindy knows
what this like, I don't know how she goes overseas
and does stuff and comes back and looks the way
she looks.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I can't think there's that one out thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I mean this is this was and that was a
busy day and I had to take that photo. I'm like,
my god, I don't know. I don't know how she
does this. And Terry says, hi, because she couldn't.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Be here tonight.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
But you know, I don't know of a lot of
producers that will be out there marketing the way that
she does. And that's why I like her films, not
because she's here, but they're films again, award winners, a talent,
but it takes a long time to get these things done.
And I'm always reminding these people who are reaching out
to me, you have no idea.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
It's a patient game.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
There's patients, patient patients, but do not give up because
you just never know what's going to be opted bright Cindy.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
One hundred percent. And what I've been telling a lot
of people who are getting into the business lately is
there are things that our friend right now, YouTube being
one of you know, it used to be it when
I started the business. If you didn't come out theatrically,
your film wasn't any good. Now nobody cares you come
out theatrically. That's one thing. If you go straight to
Netflix or Amazon, nobody cares. They really don't. In fact,
(24:52):
you'll have more longevity coming out into this. But it
used to be that Netflix ruled the game. YouTube rules
the game right now. If anybody wants to make a movie,
I don't care how much money you've got, you've got,
you know, you can hit up all your friends and
family and can straight together ten thousand dollars. You can
(25:12):
go make a movie. You really can, and YouTube can
launch your entire career. So there's no reason for people anymore.
Because again, you can also do a short. People don't
realize that the power of shorts. If there's a really
good short that's been made. I mean, you know, Ariost
is one of my favorite horror directors. I don't know
(25:33):
if you guys know who he is, but he started
with us short. I think it was called Meeta Jones's
and if you guys haven't seen it, it was amazing
and it was his thesis for I think it was
you see that he was graduating from and all of
us knew to go for his next movies, and every
one of them has been just a massive hit. He's
(25:54):
signed to A two four now, so you know, yeah,
there's all different ways to make movies. I'm his advantage
of the entire world. You know, I was shooting I
think by movie. Two movies ago was Serbia, my last
movie was London. My next movie is Ireland. So I
just take advantage of wherever I can. And you know,
(26:16):
I'm lucky enough to be able to read a script
and be able to say, can I turn Ireland into
Chicago if I have to? The answers yes, depending on
how many locations there are, And it's unfortunate. I'm one
who's proud of California. I mean, I was a little
bummed out that our copper and half of California started
(26:37):
to leave, but I have to say I'm proud of
them for stepping forward right now and adding a ton
back into the reserve and hopefully California becomes a movie capital.
And I mean, I'm praying we do.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And I'm always telling people, which is why, you know what.
I was helping run Hollywood Film Festival in twenty fifteen,
and I brought the Chinese over. I saw how things
were changing there. We did it fifteen with no money.
We had no money, we almost had a MasterCard, and
it was between us and a soccer team. They went
with the soccer team. I said, wrong move, We've got
(27:11):
to do this, and.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
Then we didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
We didn't have we couldn't even get Getty there. But
we pulled it off.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And you know, I just knew at that point film
festivals were changing. I always support film festivals, as people know.
When I'm in Tennesseee how it comes with me whenever
I go to Georgia or you know, North North Carolina
or you know, Chicago or whatever, I'm doing that. But Cindy,
the one film festival besides my love is Santa Barbara
that I always see that's still that energy. There is
(27:36):
dances with films that whole casts come out, and I
just see that we've been having them on the film
those people, and I don't care if it takes me
in a year to get them on because we're always
four more in advance, and that I just know they
love coming on. And I always tell them this, get
a publicist. You need a publicist. You can reach out
to me. But it goes hand in hand because you
can only do so much. They made a great film,
(27:58):
but what good is it if nobody knows about it?
What good is it if you write a great book
like Eric and Nancy have written, but nobody knows about it.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You've got to just keep it. And it's like the
film these days, it really is. It takes a while
to get going because even the book wall was changed.
How do I know that?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I just remember talking to I think it was the
ten Meet People You've eat in Heaven or something like
that ABC TCA press day, And I'll never forget Ina.
He goes, Brian, I do my book signings in Detroit,
Michigan at the Michigan Entire Place.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I go, what this is an OA?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
He told me that, and I said, wow, if he's
doing it there, things were changing.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
There's not a lot of Barnes and Nobles, Howard knows.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
In Franklin, Tennessee, there's the oldest bookstore there and I
went there and I always.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Get it because I'm not that author. I'm going to
have a ghost writer. But I'm doing these things for
those people out there because they reach out to me
all the time. Hey we see the show, I see
you in person. How do I do this?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And I just give them names, reach out to so
and so, and don't be depressed or upset that they
hadn't got back to you. Cindy, you know what. So
I like to get all these things down at you.
I can only imagine what Hunter has to go through.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
I mean I do. And thanks for recognizing Dances with Films.
I was on the board of them when they first started.
That they really are a really good film festival. I
mean going back to the films that I choose. I
choose movies that I know I can market and that
I can help market. So when you look at my
next film, three of my friends had squatters, and so
(29:25):
I was listening to how the story of squatters are
and I personally didn't know the laws that anybody can
come into your house. Most people don't realize this. Of course,
if you're out of town for months at a time
and someone gets into your house, they've got as much
rates as you do, even though it's your property. Same
thing if you let a boyfriend, a girlfriend, a husband
(29:47):
and wife move into your place and they're getting mail
at your house, your house, try to get them out.
So I was horrified the rules of squatters and decided
to make a movie about it because all of a sudden,
I said, well, wait a minute, this is Pacific Heights
meets Cape Fear. This is terrifying, right, And because I
(30:07):
wanted people to note that that exists out there, I thought, oh,
we can market this movie in a great way. I
actually want to get in front of Congress in the
Senate to try to change the laws of squatting. And
so it becomes a movie that can take on a
life of its own because of the topic that it is.
Same thing, like I said, in Sync is about to
(30:29):
have a thirtieth anniversary. So I'm jumping on now. So
by the time their thirtieth anniversary comes out, we're in
it together. And even John Lennon people said, you know,
am I worried about the John Lennon or the Beatles
movie that's getting made right now, But that's about the
Beatles at a younger age. Mine deals with something that
(30:50):
a lot of people don't realize, which is John Lennon
sued Richard Nixon.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
So this whole.
Speaker 10 (30:56):
Discussion of this administration was the first administration to get
sue that's not true. John Lennon did it, and my
John Lennon project deals with immigration and politics, so I
couldn't have a more timely topic right now with to me,
one of the greatest songwriters ever. So now when you
hear imagine a listening to those words and you see
(31:17):
what John Lennon was going through when him and Yogo
first came to America, I have a whole other way
to market this movie. And it's so timely. I mean,
it's everything that is now but told through the eyes
of John Lennon thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
The interesting thing about that and talking them coming to
you next is that we had Brian Rothschall's with the
Lennon's bus. We helped support that, and then Ivar Davis,
who's one of our good fun friends. He went on
the first tour with the Beatles, so it's always good
to hap him on once a year. They're talking about
all those things and keep that out there because everybody
is older. And I've always said, you've got to talk
to those icons why they're there. The last six years
(31:54):
we've lost so we've lost too many people, too many,
too too many, and I Tasha would go to you quick,
and then Christina and Eric whatever question. You have to
asked Cindy before I say that, Tash. So we gotta
we gotta give thanks to John Fabreau. And the reason
for that is I was there.
Speaker 10 (32:16):
Very bad thing exactly John. Anybody knew really who he was.
He had one movie called Swingers and then Us and
go figure that he would be one of the best
directors that we've got now.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And brings in the marvel world of everything amazing. And
that's what I miss about doing in person junkets because
I remember doing Swingers. Vince Man's mom Chase. It's one
of my very close friends. He would have known you
can't make these things up. And you know, because of
Shade I turned her down three times. Vince said, you're crazy, Brian,
I said, yeah, but I wasn't ready for your mom.
(32:49):
You know that's why ww TV and Worldwide TV Network,
which was formerly the Woman's Broadcast TV Network, where we
have over three million views on it. It's because of Shaye.
She took a chance on us, and that's what started
kicking us off. In twenty seventeen, Nasha, go ahead, I
know you've got things coming up.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Yes, so well, I mean I haven't been on here
for a while. I just want to update everybody really want.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
Of monumental.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
A lot of monumental things have been happening. I moved
in with my boyfriend of eight years for the first time,
so it's been very nice coexisting with each other and
learning things we didn't even know.
Speaker 9 (33:31):
About each other. So it's been a you know, it's
been super fun.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
I've been feeling super inspired when it comes musically, which
has been really nice. I felt like before I moved out,
I kind of wasn't in the right mindset, and now
I feel like I'm more clear, and I'm like, you know,
radiating all this energy and really beautiful about it. I've
been like really on my social media all my brand,
(33:54):
building my brand with music, with my skincare and beauty business,
and crazy enough how it's important to be super consistent
on social media, especially if you're building your brand. I
had this event reach out to me that it was
about empowering women, and they're like.
Speaker 9 (34:12):
We've been watching you on social media and we really.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
Want you to come into our events and host a
section where you're talking about, you know, what you do
and how you help empower women that feel that they're
like in a monotone place in their life and want
something exciting and something that makes me feel like, you know,
their their number one and it's equally as important as everybody.
(34:35):
And it got me super excited, and I'm doing it
this Saturday, and I'm super nervous because I've never done
anything like that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
But you know, every squirrels, what are you talking about?
Speaker 9 (34:47):
I know, but that's different. It's different.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
It's a different things.
Speaker 9 (34:52):
Like I've never done that before.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
So I you know, I've been like really anxious these
past days, but it makes me really proud that what
I I've been doing and what I've been implementing on
my social media strategy is getting seen by the right niche.
So I've been very proud of myself and been starting
to write again.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
And you know, we're in a good spot. We're in
a good spot, and I'm very proud of myself.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Let me tell you about Tosh. Tosh has been with
us for five years, almost going on six. Every time
she comes on a show, she gets something I love
the job, or something happens some day. But when she's
not on, she's busy doing things.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
But we're still talking about her, which is the way
you're supposed to do Erka Christina with the question do
you have for Sindy?
Speaker 10 (35:41):
He's looking at me.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
You're thinking about it as a couple. See hilarious.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
We're sure a braid. It's really scary. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I guess.
Speaker 13 (35:49):
One of the questions that I would have is I've
read so much about how books get optioned and kind
of learning all about the industry.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
We'd love to know.
Speaker 13 (35:58):
More about how that, how that works, and how would
we go about getting something like that going.
Speaker 10 (36:06):
I presume you guys have a book agent. So a
lot of times the book agents are familiarizing Hollywood with
different books that are out on the market. We also
all look for all different books at all times. You know,
from the TV side to the film side. You know,
there are people that are doing World War you know
(36:27):
one movies, and so they will specifically go down a
line to see what's available. The option cost depends on
is it a New York Times bestseller?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Is it not?
Speaker 10 (36:37):
Has the book been out there forever is it not?
Is this something that you know somebody doesn't want to
option for a lot of money, but they're willing to
put a lot of money to getting a writer to
write it. So It just really depends on what people
are looking for at the time and how important and
how many books more importantly have been sold. Like what
(36:58):
the what the eyeballs it are? If it's a well
known ip, it's pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Ancy Potter, you got a question.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Oh, I wanted to show you my book.
Speaker 10 (37:07):
I love that.
Speaker 12 (37:09):
That's the flatboat that he grew up on. That's a flatboat,
and that's he and his wife after they were wealthy.
I just I think it's so pretty. Ihead a guy
from Trumper too who just became an American citizen did
that for me, so anyway, I had to.
Speaker 10 (37:23):
Show that off. Good bless and bless him. Well, thank
got he got in before they're making it difficult. But
I'm sorry I said, congrats for him for becoming an American.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Wasn't that cool?
Speaker 10 (37:34):
I thought that was so wonderful.
Speaker 12 (37:36):
I know me too, But I think she kind of
answered my question, which is I'm trying to start the
process and part of it it just seems so specific.
Speaker 10 (37:46):
I mean, what I would tell both of you guys are,
because your books are very different things, is research producers
that make movies that are similar to what your book is.
You know, for you guys, you know who's made movies
that are about war Because a lot of times people
stick to a niche and then literally Cole call them
(38:07):
and say, we've got a book that's you know, that
is in this kind of specific field. Same thing for you.
Is your book Lifetime? Is it Hallmark? Are you trying
to do a mini series? Does it fit into that category?
Or is this you know, more current, more sexual, in
which case it might be Netflix, it might be Amazon. Again,
they're probably going to want to know how many eyeballs
(38:28):
have seen the book. That really is dependent on how
much people option the books for but you can always
start out to differences depending on the niche shows.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Howard Wiggins tell her who your dad is, because I
have not seen a documentary or anything yet on the
Grand Old Opery. Tell how your dad started and where
you come.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
I did started when he was thirteen years old and
he started playing still guitar with Adie Arnold and we
actually moved right next to him, and where I live
in all my Christmas dinners were with Eddie Arnold and
any Girl and Brentwood started because of my father because
when he heard my father at thirteen, he said, you
(39:11):
can I'll use my whole entire life.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
But Eddie's music.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Went from country to more popular music. So he started
the Arnold Company here in Brentwood, and he started Brentwood.
And since my dad was on the opry, all the
opry stars started coming to live in Brentwood. And on
the street where I lived, it was Jim ed Brown,
Bobby Lloyd, Peter Davis, Ralph Emery, Jim Red Brown all
(39:38):
on the street. And then and then Brenda Lee's h
stepdad was across the street. So the whole neighborhood was
just like a party all the time on Saturday. Of Course,
when I was young, country wasn't cool, so I didn't
yell anybody until I got older. And then when I
got older, I told everybody because my son likes country
(39:59):
and and.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I liked rock. So anyway, that's.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
That's the story on that, and Lorie Morgan too. He
played with Lori Morgan and Patsy Kline a little bit.
And it's just an interesting life. And of course I
know Dolly. That's my big thing is. You know, Dolly's
lost her husband now and she told me I would
be right, So I'm waiting for that phone call.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
You never know, you never know.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I loved your photo shoot you put out this week, Howard.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
That that was just that was really cool.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
Paul, Paul Schmidt is his name, and he did an
awesome job. He's still working. I think we've got something
like three hundred pictures and uh, he's gonna slowly release him.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
And then we got.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
Another shoot that we're probably doing the fall, so I'm
kind of working on that too. And it was just
him and his wife and me and that was it.
No makeup artist, a wardrobe person, know anything. I hope
the next one gets a little bit more involved. But
and it was hot, Oh my god, it was hot,
but left But what I did enjoy There was one
(41:09):
part where these high school people were going down to
town and Paul was taking a picture of me and
some of the high schools kids.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
Said are you a star?
Speaker 6 (41:18):
And I said, well I am today.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
You know, start every day, Howard, every day?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Well else's well, ciddy.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
He has the dancing video and we talk about every
every couple of shows because it continues to go up
on our shorts. The last count was two hundred and
seven thousand and a nine second clip. Just one he's got,
He's got I think six that I put up the
different songs, and they just the audience likes some of them,
and you know, I'll tell them. I don't understand how
(41:52):
or why. I'm glad that they do, so I'm happy
for that. Hey, we got a couple of minutes left.
You were asking about recent things coming up? What is
that steph of War on Apple TV, which is actually
a good series Stays in Mamay if people haven't seen it,
How Walt Disney Built America on Hulu.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
It's a six part no. Seven seven episodes.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
It's really good because it talks about everybody goes to
those struggles and everything, but you never know what they
really go through, right, Cindy, And all you see is
just you see the buildings, you see the film coming out,
but it's about the process of everything that they went through.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Her.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Okay, I know your story, Nancy, I know your story.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
You know Tosh, and you know even when Howard and
even caryll On, you know her her hotel in Chile.
But it's one of those things where I love watching
those and that's why those things are important. And Cindy,
I can't wait to see what you're gonna do with
within sink because Lance Bass and I we shuld just
hang out, you know when he left that and he
was just the nicest kid when he started doing movies
(42:54):
for Merrimax and everything, and I'm like, why do I
keep running into Lance and you know, and it was
just you. I just missed those days because not everybody
lives in California anymore, as she was saying, which is unfortunate, you.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Know, even you, Brian.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Speaking of dancing with films, I want to shout out
one of my clients, Tiffany von Cox. She is in
the series Reasonable Doubt on Disney Plus and Hulu and
she had one of her films selected there, Short selected
and she's doing an investor reading at Soho House this
(43:34):
coming week on that project.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
So I'm pretty excited for her.
Speaker 10 (43:40):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Oh and I forgot I better mention. This American Warrior
with Danny Treyhill comes out on demand and in theaters
August twenty ninth. That's important because again a lot of
these independent films that are out there, and Danny Trail
was as a fascinating story. I remember ennything him a
MPR offices when he first started. And again it's look
(44:02):
it's great to see where everybody's gone sending again going
back to very bad things. Look at that task where
everybody is now. It's just unbelievable. You know, Peter Berg,
he's one of my favorite directors. Who would have known,
you know, he would have gone on. So thank you
Sindy for bringing Peter and hiring.
Speaker 10 (44:18):
Him real quick.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
We got about four or five minutes left. A how
do people reach out to you for things? In general?
How do they follow you?
Speaker 10 (44:26):
Which one of us are we speak to? Cindy, you
can follow me on Instagram, it's Cindy ci N d
y c O w A N the number one thousand,
that's the same thing. On X On Facebook, it's just
my name, Cindy Cowen. And on LinkedIn, I think it's
just my name and if anybody wants to reach out
to me, Hunter is my gatekeeper. It's executive at Cowen's
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c O w A n e nt.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Dot com, Christina social media lineese you and Eric, So.
Speaker 13 (44:57):
He's got I think we put him in the chat,
but they're you can follow him on Instagram. You can
also follow him on Facebook, and we're also on LinkedIn,
so the two of us, we're separated on LinkedIn, he's
got the author profile and just mind separate, but definitely
in those places We're not on x but definitely can
look into that. And then also we have on Instagram,
we do have trailers for a couple of the books
(45:19):
that we've had produced and put out there for which
has been fun. So that's been entertaining some people. What
people keep asking is it a movie?
Speaker 11 (45:28):
Not yet?
Speaker 2 (45:31):
And I always say that for the radio portion everybody
because a lot we have a lot of people listening
on Siri and you know, everything like that, which is
quite interesting. I didn't know that until four years ago.
Carol register social media links for everybody.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
I'm at neuro Coach Carol on i G just like
neuroscience Neurocoach Carol, and then Carol register on Facebook and
LinkedIn as well.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
And your podcast.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Unleasha and Unstoppable and that is going super strong. I'd
love for you to follow and listen. We talk about
the neuroscience of leadership, health and wealth and Eric, you
have been a major guest. I loved having you and
talking about the Pegasus series of your book, as well
as Brian has been on the show. If you're interested
(46:20):
in more publicity and visibility.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Just reach out to me vocally, Tash.
Speaker 8 (46:26):
Well, you can find me at well please Tosh on
all platforms, on all streaming platforms, you find me as
Natasha Rumbos. And you can music YouTube as well. I
have music videos, and uh yeah, that's the way to
reach out to me. And thank you for everybody that's
on the show tonight. So happy to be here and
we'll definitely see more of me now that I'm back too.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
And I like that video where you were dancing and
you fell down. That was funny.
Speaker 8 (46:55):
Ohs and five shots of tequila.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Venezuela and her Nancy Potter.
Speaker 12 (47:04):
Uh is it my website Nancy Potter author dot com.
Find some interesting things on there and on on Facebook
and Instagram at Nancy Potter Author.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Howard Wiggins Howard Wiggins Facebook of course, movies review and
mo work. I've got my own I'm really going more
into the interior design. So I'm going to open up
a place in Chattanooga pretty soon, and uh that's what
I'm looking forward to. And I've got my own look
called stackedon later because my place is little and I've
(47:35):
got nothing but to go up with it.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
My mansion room while you in and in the entryway.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Uh huh, what's that? What's that behind you? Cindy, It's
all authentic. You know, he's had.
Speaker 6 (47:48):
If you watch me on Facebook, you'll see pretty much
all the rings.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
You know, sooner or later, m h in the count
and you get the last word.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Tell people why is should support the arts and how
can they find some of your films, just a couple
of films that you suggest people go and look back
at because it's the thing of the Disney model. Every
seven years someone knew was born. So there's a lot
of people that haven't seen things.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
For me.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
You know, traffic was on to interview everybody in that
film because you never know what's gonna happen. You get
these inclinations and when in Winds you're like, thank god,
I did that interview and they're classic because Luke, what
don Cheetah and and everybody is in that film very
bad things again again, look what John Fabureau is you had,
you know, Cindy and I mean Christina and Eric.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
You gotta thank John Fabruare for what.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
You're doing because if it weren't for John bringing back
the Marvel world and everything, you know, like that. We
gotta thank Cindy Kallen for that. Cindy last word. A
couple favorite movies, real quick, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (48:45):
Favorite movies, favorite movies ever or now in general, because
if we're doing well, I'll give you present. I was
blown away with and it was blown Away with Sinners.
Those are the two that really stuck in my mind
for recess favorite movies ever. I don't think we'll ever
find a movie as perfect as Shindler's List. Yes, I
(49:08):
love Silence of the Lambs. And by the way, I
loved Wizard of Oz, I mean, and I love Wicked,
taking it all the way to all the incarnations of it.
So I'm all over the board with what I.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Like, all right.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
And the reason I really wanted to do this show
because the last bad show I had, Cindy Kowen was
on it.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
It wasn't her, it was me.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
I had a bad computer and I called the office
the next together, she goes, Brian.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
I feel bad for you. You know, I kept going in
and out like Howard was doing. Cindy. We haven't had
a bad show since then. So this is my show.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
No, So as I say to everybody, thank you for
coming on it's never easy to put all these things together.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yet, like three more people exactly, I say this. I
have a good night, tonight, a better day tomorrow. You
see someone with out a smile, please give them one
of yours, because the world needs it, really needs it.
I am Bryan
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Sabashed this movie reviews and more, and we'll see it
next week.
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