August 12, 2025 • 48 mins
Howard Bloom He established a PR firm in a field he didn’t know, popular music, his company became the “go-to” for artists to launch and re-establish careers. But even while tackling the careers of Prince, Michael Jackson, Bob Marley, Billy Joel, Billy Idol, & Joan Jett & the Blackhearts, and while helping organizations such as Amnesty International, the NAACP, & Farm Aid, Bloom’s basic field was science. His new book “The Case of the Sexual Cosmos: Everything You Know About Nature Is Wrong."
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:07):
And it's grin interviews and more.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
And if it's Tuesday, we have to always support the arts,
no matter where we are.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Dreamy for arts.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Carol will talk about the Easy Way a Better Vision
for children later. But you know this is show one
hundred and sixty five live shows in a row. We're
on Talk for Media, K for HD Radio, Talk for
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world right now. And the funny and fascinating thing about
this guy is when you know it's called it is
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your job and our job to create?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And I love that. Who said that? Not me, but
I'm stealing it. Howard Gloom said that.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
But the good thing about that is it is so
true because it is our job to create, and if
we don't create things, everybody's at luck.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
For one.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
The fascinating thing about Howard is I think he's a
toss up my opinion, and I'm not used to being
on Carol and Howard where Wiggins is He's secret for it,
Newton Einstein, everything in Tesla combined all in one, and
I think they couldn't do what this guy is already
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halfway done in three quarters of his life. But the
thing about this, when you're the world's best publicist in
the music industry still till this day, and he did
this in the seventies and eighties, still to this day,
and I debate anybody to prove me wrong. When you
can say, save the movie Purple Rain, the Longest Yard,
you can get these people to go all the way
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down to San Diego and screen his thing and save
those movies, which is the one thing I love, and
be those personal publicists. So Michael Jackson, Prince Madonna, Bett Midler, Stix,
Ezy Top, the name goes on and on and on,
Cyndy Lauper, all of those in have good things written
about you. But also being that scientific thinking mind, which
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is incredible, They're gonna have to preserve his mind when
he never passes away. It's going to have to take
it from his body, but it'd be interesting just to
study it. But it's one of those things where you know,
Howard's going to debate himself. He's going to debate himself
on chat, GBT, bloombot. So he's so fascinating that I
would love to be there to see this, to debate himself.
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But think about this his next book. You know, I
read his first book, How I Survived the Sixties.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I believe it was how.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yes, and it's still fascinating until this day. But you
know when you can have that book and he's going
to talk about it, because if you ask him one question,
the way his brain set up, he will talk for
forty five minutes, like it just happened yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
That's how fascinating.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
That's why we can't have him with anybody else because
there's so much information. And Carol I think has seen
some of the shows and read so much. I'm not
sure what Howard Wiggins has seen yet. But the thing
about it, he's so fascinating that we did five point
ones through three four five on it and we still
didn't tap the beginning of what he went through. They're
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still getting hits Howard Bloom until this day, the one
and only Howard Bloom.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
He's going to talk about his book.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
He's going to talk about what he's going to be
doing at the Hilton Bashton District in New York, and
he's going to talk about why he's in New York
walking the streets or was walking the streets. I'm glad
because to talk to this guy is an honor and
a privilege, and I'm glad to call him a friend,
one and only Howard Bloom.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
WHOA wow, Howard.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Brian, thank you, Carolyn, Thank you, Howard.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I'm so excited to hear from you.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
I want to share with what Brian said with that
magnificent introduction, the science you're involved with, the law thermodynamics,
the flamboyancy, the us being creators.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I'm over the top. So thank you very much for
being here so well.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Thank you. And the event that Brian was talking about,
Go up against My Digital twin my chat GPT Bloombot
is this Friday at seven pm at the Chelsea Table
and Stage, and it's the first time that a living
author ever will go up against the AI device designed
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to replace him when he dies. So very much what
Brian was talking about. And then the other big thing
happening is a new book, and it's the case of
the Sexual Cosmos. Everything you know about nature is wrong.
And Brian, you are saying that it's our job to create. Well,
when I sign off on my Howard Dumongus weekly YouTube series,
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I say, this is Howard Bloom coming to you from
the future. It's your job and my job to create.
And there's a sort of a key slogan in the
case of the Sexual Cosmos. Nature loves those who oppose
her most. So we think that right now that people
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learn a panic in the climate community because it's just
been discovered that the climate demand made climate change did
not begin in nineteen hundred. It began in eighteen fifty,
which means we have less time to defend ourselves against apocalypse.
And right now, so my friends are thinking doom and gloom.
It's time to the apocalypse. But the people who came
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up with this approach, the environmental approach, an extremely useful
approach that's done some wonderful things for us, have made
a couple of mistakes. One is they think the default
in nature is a petting zoo, and they think that
a garden of Eden. And they think that if we
managed to get rid of all human technology, because at
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the heart of the movement is a total anti technology approach,
then the world will revert to the petting zoo. And
guess what. There has never been a petting zoo on
this planet. There are never will be a petting zoo
on this planet unless we create one, unless we make
this place a giant petting zoo. Because nature inflicts a
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couple of things that the environmental extremists do not get
credit for. Nature invented death and it has killed off
billions of creatures since the beginning of life four billion
years ago. And nature has invented pain. Nature has invented solow,
Nature has invented depression. Nature has invented a whole lot
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of horrible things, including hurricanes, earthquakes, and other natural disasters. Why,
because this is a planet of disasters. This is the planet.
This is the home of climate change. When life, when
plant first came together four and a half billion years ago,
it was spinning so fast that if you pick one
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place sat there on its space, every three hours, it
would go into a rapid climate shift. It would the
temperature would drop, it eighty eight degrees and you'd be
bathed in this poisonous thing called dark. If you hung
around for another three hours, the climate will go back
up eighty eight degrees and you'd be bathed in this
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poisonous thing called life, which was poisonous to early organisms,
absolutely poisonous. But life's uniqueness is its ability to rebel
against nature. If you took the existing nature four billion
years ago, when life was about to first get together,
if you and I had been sitting in this interview
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at that point, we would have said, well, we've been
around since the beginning of the universe. There's no way
this planet could erupt with life. What you're describing in
life as a gross impossibility. It defies the second law promodynamics.
It defies the law of least effort that all things
always take the straightest find between two points. No, that's
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not true. Life has come to life by rebelling against nature,
by scrapping claws and kicking against nature, by taking poisons
and turning them into pistons in the metabolism it keeps
life alive. So life has been abstreperous. Life is not
harmonious at all. What has no intention of harmony? Remember
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nature loves those who oppose her most. Because nature is
not about creating an equilibrium a term from the roodynamics,
A field that has that should be put in its place,
and I do put in its place. In the case
of the sexual cosmos, nature hates an equilibrium. Nature lows
calm and harmony. Nature loves abstreperists. And it is through
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obstreperousness that inanimate matter, stone and water what was knitted
together into the process of life that went totally against
the nature of nature as it was four billion years ago,
and life has been doing this step after step after
step ever since, and it has mounted. For example, Nature's
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most fundamental law is gravity, So if you want to
obey nature, stay down, don't defy gravity. But there have
been about five great space programs to find gravity. In
the history of life, this is life before there were
any humans, life before there were any smokestacks and tailpipes around.
First came the first beings who decided, in their own
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peculiar way to do something impossible, to get out of
the sea and take to the land. The land mass
was only thirty percent of this planet, but it was
barren and hostile as could be. You could be rained away,
washed away, You could be baked by ultra violet light
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and killed. There were billions of ways you could be killed,
and no way whatsoever you could make a living. At
least that's what if you had environmentalist factia around us
the time, because all life of this bacterial the elder
bacterial tells would have said that the younger ones who
wanted to take the land, what the world are you
talking about? Everything's good here is in the sea. Our
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food is in the sea, our shelter is in the sea.
And what is nature trying to tell you? Stay in
the sea. But there was some preferous bacteria who absolutely
refused to stay down and moved up to the land.
Was that a wise move? Or the elders right? The
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elders were absolutely wrong. Today, even though only thirty percent
of years is land, there is eighty times more life
on land than there is in the sea. And that
whole process of moving up to the land was a
big screw you to nature. It was a big screw
you to gravity, right, because nature thrives on big screw yous.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
All right, how about that right there?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
On?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Big screw used Carol, ask your question.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Because I know something's gonna come from the neural coast
side of your brain and take.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
It off me.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Okay, polyeges, I was coughing a little, Okay, So yeah,
you know, there's quite a few things that come to mind.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
One is that the way you're describing nature.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
You know, we're wired towards a negativity bias that you
know keeps us safe, as I see it protects our
beautiful subconscious system. So that being wired for safety rather
than success. Looking through that lens, I've I've applied that
to science, and particularly with the second law of thermodynamics
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law of entropy being in a state of decay. You
mentioned not being an equilibrium. My ears picked up on
that tremendously, because is what the concentration has been has
been on the second law of thermodynamics, where there's an
equal and opposite law that I see of a law
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of continual growth and one being the law of decay,
one being a law of continual growth. So I just
would love to hear you know, you touch on those things.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, okay, what is the second law from a dynamics
and what is entropy? Back in the eighteen fifties, there
was a relatively new technology. It was the artificial intelligence
of its day. It was a steam engine and it
had just doubled the average wage in Britain, radically up
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the standard of living in Britain. So there was a
scientist named William Thompson at the University of Scotland, the
University of no Not Glasgow. I always blank on the city,
but one way or the other, this guy started writing
about how in a steam engine, eighty percent, he said,
of the steam engine's energy is lost in friction, and
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that's where the idea of entropy came from, that there
is a constant waste. That waste is constantly being conceived.
He then made an extrapolation. He said that this energy
was being turned into uselessness by mechanical dissipation. And meantime
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he had a colleague in Berlin, and the colleague in
Berlin took this waste of energy, taking useful energy and
turning it into useless stuff. The two of them made
it a law of the universe. William Thompson who would
later be named Lord Kelvin because of the contributions he
would make. But William Thompson said that this idea of
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mechanical dissipation applied to the entire earth, and that once
upon a time the earth was barren and unhospitable to life,
and seeing the world would once again be barren inhospitable
to life, why because of the mechanical dissipation of energy.
Because of that theme, that was turned into useless. Meanwhile,
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Bausius came up with a fancy name for this dissipation
of energy and called it entropy. And ten years later
he came up with the first two laws of therma,
the nats. And it's the second law that's stuck, and
that is entropy. In this universe always tends toward a maximum.
In other words, things are always becoming useful, things are
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always falling apart. And then a German mathematician showed a
form of math that seemed to demonstrate that these guys
were right. Well were they right? Okay? In eighteen fifty seven,
six years after William Thompson put out his first paper
on this, another British guy came out with a book
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that to put all of science into a single see
all of science through a single lens. And his book
was on the theory of evolution. And his name was
Charles Zolan. Now William Thompson Lord Kelvin does not want
you to know this, even in his grave today. He
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was very religious and the idea that life had been
created through an evolutionary process, not by God, that species
were evolved by a very slow process offended him deeply.
So he gathered Fourier's fancy equations from France, which were
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his favorite equations. He took a new information on the
stone beneath the Earth from a research lab in London.
He took the newly discovered melting points of feldspar and
slate and granted, and he put all of them together
and came out with a paper saying Darwin's idea was
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absolutely impossible. Why because it would take huge, huge, huge
amounts of time to happen. And he proved with his
Fourier's equation of melting temperature of slate that the Earth
couldn't possibly be any older and four hundred million years old.
So that was his second prediction. The first prediction was
that the Earth, because of mechanical dissipation of energy, would
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simply become uninhabitable. And the second one was he gave
that he felt that the Earth was about one hundred
million years old. Well, it turns out I mean who
turned out to be white William Thompson with his fancy
equations and his fancy title later of Lord Calvin or
Charles Darwin. Darles Darwin did because today we know the
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Earth is four point five billion years old. That's billion
with a bee, not an easily million like William Thompson's
four hundred million maximum. And so there was plenty of
time for they process to take place. And I wrote
a paper back in two thousand and one for the
journal a journal called New Ideas in Psychology about what
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I called instant evolution, and gave you a whole bunch
of examples where evolution occurred in one hundred years or less.
And now the idea of instant evolution is becoming popular.
The bottom line, okay, so the bottom line is you
are not considered a scientist unless you sign a square
allegiance to the second law firm of Nams that all
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things are falling apart, that all things are dissipating and
turning into a random suit. The Helden's idea, that is,
William Thompson's idea, is now called heat, that the heat
death of the universe, the universe will eventually just all
fall apart and become a random whizzle. But the universe
is not doing that. The universe erupted from nothing with space,
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time and speed. That's a giant who into the way
that things were. So then this then that the giant
unfolding sheet of face, time and speed, but suffocated like
a strong cloud into the first thing parks. That was
not a step forward uselessness and chaos. It was a
step in the other direction. So the universe acts like this.
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Remember taking a slinky and putting it on the top
of the stairs watching it go down stair by stair,
right stair. That's the second law termodynamics. All things are
constantly moving down. There's something in my new book, The
Case of the Sexual Plasmo, is called the first law
of flamboyance, which is designed to replace the second law
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of thermodynamics. And it says, if you take out your
iPhone and you film that plinky going down the stairs,
and then you run it in reverse, you will get
what the universe has been doing for the last thirteen
point seventy three billion years old. It has always been
giving a big fuck you to the staircase on get
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him actually next year.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
And this is the reason why I watched the Universe
and fall asleep at the Universe and watch a lot
of documentaries because of Howard's knowledge of everything, because yes,
the Earth is billions, but when it comes to the universe,
oh my god, it's like Howard's greening.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I mean, I'm literally I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I'm looking at the beautiful lights of the thing and
I could just hear his his his voice giving the
voice over to everything. All right, Howard, I'm stopping right
there for a minute.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Terry. Do you remember talking to Howard years ago?
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Yes? Yeah, I was Hi.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Good to see him. Yet I'm a little bit late today.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
My mom passed away in January, and I'm having a Yeah,
so it's kind of hard because I'm having trying to
like go through all her stuff right now to see
what I'm going to keep, what I'm not and it's
really hard because it can't take everything. But I slinky
last I found a slinky last night. I just was
laughing about that and I was playing with it because
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that thing.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Brought me so much joy for my childhood. And yes,
I'm taking the slinky with me.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Is it a metal flanking or plastic flanking? About that
wonderful sound Okay, Brian, I was interrupting you.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
No, no, I'm going to interrupt you because there's so
much stuff to get to you.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I got to mention the name because as you're thinking
of things, I'm thinking of when you took on clients
in the seventies and the eighties. I know you were
talking about this because you've always had that mind of
just being brilliant and seeing other things that people can't see.
What were they thinking about? Okay, I'm thinking about Bob Seeger,
Bob Seeker and Cyndi Lauper. What were they thinking about
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when Howard Bloom opened his mind to things, and they're like.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I wouldn't man talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I didn't have Bob Seeer and I got Cyndy Lapper
when I was becoming very, very thick, and I would
eventually spend fifteen years in a bed, so five of
those years see the steek. But you're right, I did
not like to work with clients that everybody liked. I
like to work with clients that nobody liked. For example,
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when I took on zz Top, my first client in
the Howard Loom Organization Ltd. Bob Chriscou, the dean of
the rock critics in America, who ruled over the rock
criticism at the Village Voice, said, in a great big headline,
zz Top has a sound like hammered ship, And to me,
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that's a sign I must work with this act. So
I took I took the Top, and over the course
of three years, validated them, showed you that they had genuineness,
they had authenticity, that they had roots, that they were
doing something powerful. And by the time I finished, all
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the critics thought, well, I've loved Ze Top all my life. No,
not too. Your whole community hated them for a while.
And Bryan, there's this I have a kind of ringer
in my gun and it goes off every great once
in a while. And it went off when I when
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I was at ABC Record and I had just entered
the company and they had a record at number three
on the chart. Well, I had been working for Golf
and Westerns Fresh companies, and in the year I worked there,
we had never had a record on the church. Now
we had been acquired by ABC, and I saw that
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record and I heard it, and I went out to
the airport in a limo to pick up the band's manager.
And knowing that we would be baked in traffic, and
I would have this captive audience for at least an
hour and a half. And I said, look, I know
your band prides itself on it to mart every member
is equal to every other memory. But if you let
me concentrate all my attention, I'm a lead singer and
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you cover my ass with the band, I will give
you a star. How did I know that I'd never
met the lead singer. I'd only heard one song from
the lead singer that alam in my gut had gone
off because I will not I do. If I tell
you I'm going to make you a star, It's going
to happen, period, no question about it. See if you've
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heard of this woman since then? Chaka Cohn, Yes, yeah, yeah,
she was a totally unknown when Jone Jeffs's manager walked
into my office in a stated is there because Jone
Jeffs's record had been turned down by twenty seven American
Record Company, which is just about all the record companies
that were in nineteen seventy or in nineteen yeah, nineteen eighty.
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And I sat him down on the couch and I said,
if you work the way I work, seventeen hour days,
seven days a week. I'm using everything I tell you
to do. I will give you a star. We will
be platinum in two years. So he did everything I
told him to He worked extremely hard. I got her
booked up with a booking agent. I dictated the booking schedule,
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booking strategy. And I was wrong in my prediction. I
was totally wrong. I had said we'll have a platinum
record in two years. We had a platinum record in
eighteen months. I was off by six months. So one
day I was at a space conference. I had been
dragged there screaming and kicking by people from the National
Science Foundation, the National Space Society in National and I
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heard a person speak and he said, when I got
out of school, I asked myself three things. I asked myself,
what three things would make the most difference humanity in
my lifetime? And my answer was the Internet, alternative energy,
and space. So I went into the Internet, made a
billion dollars, hit number two, and went directly to space.
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When I heard this guy seek, the alarm bell went
off of my gut. He was being mocked by the
big boys Lockey Barton, North Frummen because he had not
even put a firecracker into into a tin can and
gotten that off the ground. He's got nothing off the ground.
I insisted on talking to him because my gut told
me this guy is a mythic figure, not just a superstar,
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a mythish figure, and kids will be following his example
one hundred and fifteen years from now. That was two
thousand and five, and his name was Elon Musk. So
that little thing in my gut goes off over and
over again. And just as I speak of the universe,
but nature loves those who oppose her most. I did
my best work when I was opposing the general flow
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of things, not writing it. Other publicists like to write it.
I like to make a change direction, all right.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
So, Howard Bloom, Howard Wiggins, do we have sound on you?
Let's see, Howard Wiggins.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Can we hear you?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I can hear you. Yes, you got what question? Would
you ask? Howard Boom? Go for it? Soon you're asking
me who I am?
Speaker 9 (26:53):
So I'm Howard Wiggins. Howard Wiggins secured design son of
Liroy Wiggins, play still guitar for Eddie Arnold. I'm famous
for my creation of effect and layered interiors on look
and I invite you to watch my Facebook page and
watch me dance.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
See whatever you endeavor.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Sounds wonderful. So so the barn was asking if you
have any questions for me? Does anything come to mind?
Speaker 9 (27:23):
I hear it now you were breaking up. I just
heard fragments of the h what you were saying. I'm sorry,
So I don't really have any questions right now.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Oh well, every time I think of Prince, I think
of you in in that closet interviewing Prince. I see
if you wanted to take him on. Almost every day
I think about that.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Well, it was a little different than that. I read
the charts every Monday morning when the trade magazine came out.
I read them from cover to cover, from one end
to the other, and I noticed something strange happening. There
was another I'd never heard of who was rising on
the R and B album chart, and then his album
went went gold, and that never happened. That just never happens,
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that a total unknown will go to gold. So I
was interested in this, started very interested. And then I
got a phone call from erthlind and Fire's manager saying,
I have a new band, a new client. His name
is Prince. Would you like to work with him? Would
I like to work with him? That thing in my
gud have been going off from a distance, even though
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I'd never heard his music, never seen his face, knew
nothing about him except that incredible rise on the charts.
So I went to work on Prince. Nobody knew who
he was. Nobody knew who he was. Yesterday I was
writing a note, you know, I've got this data up coming.
I'm going on stage at the Chelsea Table and Stage
in Manhattan to debate my digital doppel ganger, the Bloombox.
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So I wrote about it to an old friend named
Fred Shrewers, and I was telling him about the adventures
that we had had together, and one of them was
I was in Buffalo, New York, my hometown, because I
was there to interview Prince. The people of Warner Brothers
called me and said, you don't know what you're getting into.
You can't interview Prince even possible. He tried absolutely nothing
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to one interviewer, and he tried to strangle the second interviewer.
So give up on Prince. That There's no way I
was going to give up on Prince. So I had
to fly to Buffalo, New York because that's where he
was rehearsing for his Dirty Mind Store. And who did
I meet in the elevator of the hotel, Fred Shrews
from roy Stone. And who was he with? A very
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unprepossessing looking person who turned out to be Bruce Sphingston.
So in retelling that story to Fred the other day,
I realized, Okay, when I was up there to interview Prince,
nobody had a clue as to who Prince was. Bruce
Springstein didn't have a close Fred Shrewers didn't have a clue.
But now it means a whole different thing to say
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I met you with Springsteen and the elevator of the
Hyatt Hotel in Buffalo, New York. When I was going
to basically plumb the soul of this kid named Prince,
the kid I was sold was impossible. He was not impossible,
and he was. He was an amazing person, absolutely amazing person,
a true musical workaholic. He produced music every single day
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of his life, you couldn't stop it. And he had
some remarkable songs. And he was an unusual, truly unusual
human being. So I went to find the soul of Prince.
I found it and I showed Prince how to tell
the world about it, and I set him up for
I think it was a total of fifty interviews as
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soon as I had schooled him on how to tell
his story, not anybody else's story, not a made up story,
his story, and was in the room with an interviewer
and he knew what to say and it was his
own words. Then he had no trouble with interviews for
the first year we worked together. The story you're alluding
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to is when Prince came out with foot ringing, and
so Prince made a movie, right, His man got as
a manager to produce it, come up with the money
to make the movie. And you know, what's a movie
going to be coming from a rock and roll person
or an R and B person. However you categorize Prince,
he was without category, really. So I got a call
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from Bah blah blah. I was a manager, and I'm saying,
I've been in the editing room for months with this
film and I just can't make it a film. So
we're screening it for Warner Brothers tomorrow, and can you
please me out here in La tomorrow morning to go
to the screening with us? So I went through the screening.
It was a screening for one hundred and thirty five people.
I'm used to a much smaller screening rooms. And after
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the screening was over, all of us who were professionally
involved with friends went into a boardroom a very long table,
and took our places in the boardroom. I did something speak,
there's a power seat in any boardroom, and it's a
seat opposite the door. And in this room, odd, the
table conference table was at right angles to the door.
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In other words, if you walked into the room you'd
come you'd be at the middle of the conference table,
not either end. I took the position in the very
middle of the most synonymous looking in of the conference table,
opposite the door. So I had the power seat and
nobody knew it. So they started by asking how people
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had felt about the film. And they started with the
obligatory film publicists who have to hire because of union standards,
who had done nothing for the film so far. They
looked as if there are three as if each of
them had three cats and their cat and kittens had died.
They did not look happy about this film. Then they
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started going to round the table for opinions and everybody
was saying, well, we'll release this film in six theaters
in Arizona to the outfive. I had been in the
film business since nineteen seventy three when I was kidnapped
by Frank Iblan, president of Paramount Pictures during its golden age,
and turned into a member of his staff. And I
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knew that this was a formula for death. This was
the way of saying, well, Nick gave it a shot
and canning it. And so they got to me and
I stood up and made a speech and said, this
film is historical, this film is too powerful to kill.
This film. Once upon a time, all records were made
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by producers who found the song, who wrote the arrangements,
who found the artist, and then slapped his music around
the artist. Artists were puppets. And then in nineteen sixty four,
the Beatles have the audacity to write their own song
and it changed the world. And Prince writing his own film,
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basically putting together the film that it was in his gut.
That was as important a move as what the Beatles
had done. And this film could not be denied period,
and that helped turn things around. So one of brothers
ended up releasing it in one hundred theaters, and you
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know what happened from there. The film was a hit. Today,
the film is a classic. But you're talking about when
there was going to be a previous screening of the
film in San Diego, and I wasn't supposed to know
about it. So Bob Kabalam, Prince's manager, called and said,
there's a screening San Diego. You're not supposed to know
about it. Here's when it's happening. Do your thing. I
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snock writers from Time and Newsuly into that screening they
were not supposed to see. And when you were in
on the beginning of something it becomes you got an
ego investment in it and you want to support it.
Plus it was that damn good film. So both of
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these guys went back to their typewriters in La and
wrote astonishing things about this film. And that didn't just
help us with the public, which it helped us enormously,
It helped us with Warner Brothers. It helped us motivate
the film company to go further on a film that
they hadn't believed in just a few weeks earlier. Then
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you know, yeah, and I do well. I did goural
of publicity, and ever since seven ten years old, I've
been doing gorilla science. And that's why I dare offend
something as sacred as the second law of thermodynamic and
replace it with the first law of ramboyant climb well
the universe climbing up that slaky staircase, staff after staff
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after invisible step, not knowing what the next step is at,
but leashing toward it. That universe is a flamboyant universe,
not a pinch penny parsimonious universe, not a fifty universe.
Nature is not what we think she is. Nature is
part of a giant invention engine. Nature is constantly rewards
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those who are bell against her, and those those are most.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
You know, Brian, I want to I want to ask, Howard,
where do you think this great sense of intuition? I
know you've called it secular shamanism?
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Where where did this?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
When I was twelve years old, I read a book
about the Lomax brothers, who I was reading two books
today back then mostly science, but this this time, teacher,
I never paid at session in class. There was no
reason why I was reading a book under the desk
that was far more interesting. But one day the teacher
came up with an assignment. I couldn't avoid read as
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many books as you can this month, do a three
five cards befort on each of them. And I knew
I could beat the rest of the class of this
because I'd been reading to books today since I was ten.
So I found every geography I quitted my local library
where the librarians knew me better than my mother did.
And one of the books was on the LOWNIGHTX brothers,
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and this book on the Lonnex brothers, who they took
an ancient tape recorder. I mean it was state of
the art back then, but now we look at it
as an antique. It was giant. It was real to
real wrestling this piece of equipment around the country couldn't
have been easy. And they recorded as many folk artists
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in as many cultural segments as they could get their
hands up, particularly those in the black community in the South.
The book they described soul, and that brought my soul
because I knew that in my synagogue on the occasions
when my parents wanted to wrestle me to go to
the synagogue, it was the most boring experience in the world.
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You were Sandwich can be sitting a bunch of people,
but a keew just in front of your knees. If
somebody wanted to get past you, everybody had to stand
up and shoved themselves backward as far as they could
to make room. But once you were in there, you
were pinned your seat. And so you got up and
saying when the Rabbi told you to get up and sing,
and you sat down with the rabbi told you to
sit down, and you recited when the Rabbi told you
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to recite. It was death for the soul, absolute after
the soul. And what this book could be into this
soul is that there is an ecstatic approach somewhere to
religion and contact with whatever it is. I was an
atheist the age twelve my contact with someone, and I've
been on the track of that ever since. With my
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scientific tools, I mean I came out of at the
age of ten. I went into microbiology and theoretical physics,
so I felt I could take the tools of those
sciences anywhere, including into mass behavior. And a book by
Isaac Asimof had given me the term mass behavior, and
that sounded good to me, except what I really took
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upon was mass emotional and then his mass emotion is
something very very special and it the ecstatic experience has
everything to do with mass emotions. A concert is a
mass emotional ecstatic ritual. But that will go We'll have
to go onto it later. So when I was sixteen
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years old, the kids in my class hated me, and
so I wasn't going to be any of the popularity
positions president, vice president, treasurer secretary if you're a girl,
and treasurer if you're Jewish. Felt I was never going
to be elected to one of those positions. But they
had practical positions where you had to get things done.
It didn't matter how unpopular you were. If you could
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load all of the duty or actual work instead of
just creating as somebody important on the most unpopular kid
in class, Hey let's do it. So we had school
assemblies every morning as soon as we got in for
forty five minutes, and there was something called the program Committee.
The head of the Program committee program two of those
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assemblies and m seed every single one of them, five
days a week. So one day of the junior which
means I was going out in front three hundred and
fifty people. The first three months stage flight up the kazoo,
and then it become became as natural as breathing. And
one day the juniors came because they kept me in
this position position for two years, and the juniors came
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to me and said, we're having a dance. Could you advertise?
And they didn't understand the irony of what they were saying.
If there was a dance anywhere in Buffalo, New York,
I uncordially invited to stay as far away as possible,
preferably Cleveland or Albuquerky. And they wanted to be to
advertised this thing where I was going to be highly unwelcome.
So I did it. I put a piece of music
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on the turn table. Now I can't dance. I cannot
do the box stuff, I cannot do the box for
and I cannot do the wolf. I can't do anything.
It dance. And I danced, and because I can't dance,
I used my bodies in ways that nobody had ever seen.
And then I saw the girl who hated me the most.
Her face was melting, her pupils were widening, she was entranced.
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And then I noticed that the other kids also their
faces were melting, and it was if their energy was
melting into this single blob of energy and reaching out
an arm to me, and through that arm, through that too,
was sending its energy through my body. I had an
out of body experience. I watched this whole thing from
the ceiling, at least that's what I thought, And I
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watched as the energy of this audience was stronger and
stronger went to me, like as if I were an
empty pipe went up to my head. It strangely, friends,
Modlified was popped back down through the pipe to the
audience in a continuous speedback. It was amazing. And at
the end, I mean, nothing like it had ever happened
in my time at that school. And at the end,
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the kids crowded through the stage, three hundred and fifty
of them. They picked me up off the stage. They
carried me on their shoulders, and they took me all
the way out to the auditorium and up the stairway
to the classroom or the building where we had our classes,
and only then did they let me down. Nothing like
it had ever happened in that school in my time there.
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But here I was in search of the ecstatic experience
I had just had it. So when I talked to
Prince or John Mellencamp or Billy Joel or Billy Idol
or Joon Jet, I knew what they were going through,
and I was on the prowl for the spiritual thing.
I mean, you know, I'm an atheist, but it's the
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best thing I have for it. And since science's ambition
is omniscience to know everything, then science has to come
to understand this stuff and stop putting it behind a
wall as if it's not part of science's territory. Everything
is part of science's territory. And this is too powerful
a thing to miss. So when I was given a
(43:27):
chance to jump ship from my graduate fellowships in neuroscience
for them and instead go into popular culture, which is
something I knew absolutely nothing about, nothing, but I knew
it where. I mean, I call these experiences of God's
inside it, and I knew that's where the gods would be.
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I knew that's where these experiences of maxis mass exhilaration,
of mass ecstasy would take place. And I was right,
and I knew nothing about it, but it was the
very place I was looking for. By accident, I found
it in a scientific expedition for me, scientific field.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Work sixty seconds. The less we got three minutes. Describe
what it's going to be like. What is it this Friday?
Speaker 4 (44:11):
To talk to your Dolpha gamer bloom bought chat gbt okay.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
A brilliant man named Brian Dean has been working on
this for month, and he's made the Bloombot so clever,
it's ridiculous, so able to come up with the literative
phrases that it defies beliefs, so capable of linking together
things from five different fields in a second that it
would take me a month to research. But it's not me.
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It needs to be me because it's supposed to replace
me when I die. When I die, and I'm eighty
two years old. I'm eighty two years old and walking
eight miles to day. But nonetheless, the Bloombot and I disagree.
So the tourists will take to the Chelsea Tableland stage
stage and on West twenty third Street, I think it's
Friday sixth Street here where I'm speaking to you now
(44:59):
from a here stop, and we will have a brainstorming
section and I will try to instruct it on the
areas where I disagree with it with it and I'm sure,
it will try to instruct me on the areas where
it disagrees with me. It will be the first time
in history a living author has ever gone on stage
talking to is Ai twinn as I'm to replace him
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when he dies.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Okay, and how let me ask you this real quick?
Do you listen to music anymore at all?
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I do? I need my concentration an awful lot of
the time. And I spent a lot of my time
on the phone with my girlfriend. She teach me company
while I'm working her. But there are certain points where
the emote, where the intellectual exertion becomes a little lessoned,
and I need music. I need music to keep me company.
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I need these sounds and voices, some of which I
helped to make.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
That is just great. Hey, we have only got sixty seconds.
Stuff tell social media links for everybody.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Got it?
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (46:02):
ID you can reach me at neuro Coach Carol just
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Carol Register. I helped take you from six to seven
figures if you're a female leader, So give me a call.
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Terry Marie Terry Marine on stop on pretty much all
platforms and Terry Marieofficial dot com as my website.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
And Howard Wiggins if we have you here, if Howard
Wiggins on Facebook, the original Howard Wiggins exactly, Howard Room.
Gotta thank you for coming in because again we can
talk to you for six hours.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
It's still not top everything. And then I can't wait.
I hope with recorded. Will it be recorded?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
You're hoping. I've got my assistant working on it. So
there's going to be a live stream. So if you
go to the event right site, which should be somewhere
on the Chelsea Table and Stage website, it will give
you the instructions for the live stream.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
I'm going to do that. That's going to be fascinating.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Oh and I got to talk about two movies really
quickly or else they're going to be upset. So Titans,
the Rise of the Hollywood Mogul, so how Carl Limbley started,
how the Warner Brothers started seven part series, excellent series
and you can see that on Netflix. And also, oh
my god, I just talked to today a Spartan Dream
from Greece. Excellent movie on an American that goes to
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Greece and he tells them we have to fight the Spartans,
based on a true story and it's a really good
film that opens this Friday. Also, so Howard Bloom, I
gotta thank you for coming in because it's not easy
to get everything out. You have so much information that
you know people want to pick your brain on. But
go see him this Friday, August fifteenth. There And as
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I always say to this everybody else, I have a
good night tonight, a better day. To miles to see
someone went out a smile, Please give them one of
yours because the world needs it.
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Carol will talk about the Easy Way a Better Vision
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hundred and sixty five live shows in a row. We're
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TV and streaming on over one hundred outlets around the
world right now. And the funny and fascinating thing about
this guy is when you know it's called it is
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your job and our job to create?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And I love that. Who said that? Not me, but
I'm stealing it. Howard Gloom said that.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
But the good thing about that is it is so
true because it is our job to create, and if
we don't create things, everybody's at luck.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
For one.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
The fascinating thing about Howard is I think he's a
toss up my opinion, and I'm not used to being
on Carol and Howard where Wiggins is He's secret for it,
Newton Einstein, everything in Tesla combined all in one, and
I think they couldn't do what this guy is already
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halfway done in three quarters of his life. But the
thing about this, when you're the world's best publicist in
the music industry still till this day, and he did
this in the seventies and eighties, still to this day,
and I debate anybody to prove me wrong. When you
can say, save the movie Purple Rain, the Longest Yard,
you can get these people to go all the way
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down to San Diego and screen his thing and save
those movies, which is the one thing I love, and
be those personal publicists. So Michael Jackson, Prince Madonna, Bett Midler, Stix,
Ezy Top, the name goes on and on and on,
Cyndy Lauper, all of those in have good things written
about you. But also being that scientific thinking mind, which
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is incredible, They're gonna have to preserve his mind when
he never passes away. It's going to have to take
it from his body, but it'd be interesting just to
study it. But it's one of those things where you know,
Howard's going to debate himself. He's going to debate himself
on chat, GBT, bloombot. So he's so fascinating that I
would love to be there to see this, to debate himself.
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But think about this his next book. You know, I
read his first book, How I Survived the Sixties.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I believe it was how.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yes, and it's still fascinating until this day. But you
know when you can have that book and he's going
to talk about it, because if you ask him one question,
the way his brain set up, he will talk for
forty five minutes, like it just happened yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
That's how fascinating.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
That's why we can't have him with anybody else because
there's so much information. And Carol I think has seen
some of the shows and read so much. I'm not
sure what Howard Wiggins has seen yet. But the thing
about it, he's so fascinating that we did five point
ones through three four five on it and we still
didn't tap the beginning of what he went through. They're
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still getting hits Howard Bloom until this day, the one
and only Howard Bloom.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
He's going to talk about his book.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
He's going to talk about what he's going to be
doing at the Hilton Bashton District in New York, and
he's going to talk about why he's in New York
walking the streets or was walking the streets. I'm glad
because to talk to this guy is an honor and
a privilege, and I'm glad to call him a friend,
one and only Howard Bloom.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
WHOA wow, Howard.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Brian, thank you, Carolyn, Thank you, Howard.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I'm so excited to hear from you.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
I want to share with what Brian said with that
magnificent introduction, the science you're involved with, the law thermodynamics,
the flamboyancy, the us being creators.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I'm over the top. So thank you very much for
being here so well.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Thank you. And the event that Brian was talking about,
Go up against My Digital twin my chat GPT Bloombot
is this Friday at seven pm at the Chelsea Table
and Stage, and it's the first time that a living
author ever will go up against the AI device designed
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to replace him when he dies. So very much what
Brian was talking about. And then the other big thing
happening is a new book, and it's the case of
the Sexual Cosmos. Everything you know about nature is wrong.
And Brian, you are saying that it's our job to create. Well,
when I sign off on my Howard Dumongus weekly YouTube series,
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I say, this is Howard Bloom coming to you from
the future. It's your job and my job to create.
And there's a sort of a key slogan in the
case of the Sexual Cosmos. Nature loves those who oppose
her most. So we think that right now that people
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learn a panic in the climate community because it's just
been discovered that the climate demand made climate change did
not begin in nineteen hundred. It began in eighteen fifty,
which means we have less time to defend ourselves against apocalypse.
And right now, so my friends are thinking doom and gloom.
It's time to the apocalypse. But the people who came
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up with this approach, the environmental approach, an extremely useful
approach that's done some wonderful things for us, have made
a couple of mistakes. One is they think the default
in nature is a petting zoo, and they think that
a garden of Eden. And they think that if we
managed to get rid of all human technology, because at
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the heart of the movement is a total anti technology approach,
then the world will revert to the petting zoo. And
guess what. There has never been a petting zoo on
this planet. There are never will be a petting zoo
on this planet unless we create one, unless we make
this place a giant petting zoo. Because nature inflicts a
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couple of things that the environmental extremists do not get
credit for. Nature invented death and it has killed off
billions of creatures since the beginning of life four billion
years ago. And nature has invented pain. Nature has invented solow,
Nature has invented depression. Nature has invented a whole lot
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of horrible things, including hurricanes, earthquakes, and other natural disasters. Why,
because this is a planet of disasters. This is the planet.
This is the home of climate change. When life, when
plant first came together four and a half billion years ago,
it was spinning so fast that if you pick one
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place sat there on its space, every three hours, it
would go into a rapid climate shift. It would the
temperature would drop, it eighty eight degrees and you'd be
bathed in this poisonous thing called dark. If you hung
around for another three hours, the climate will go back
up eighty eight degrees and you'd be bathed in this
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poisonous thing called life, which was poisonous to early organisms,
absolutely poisonous. But life's uniqueness is its ability to rebel
against nature. If you took the existing nature four billion
years ago, when life was about to first get together,
if you and I had been sitting in this interview
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at that point, we would have said, well, we've been
around since the beginning of the universe. There's no way
this planet could erupt with life. What you're describing in
life as a gross impossibility. It defies the second law promodynamics.
It defies the law of least effort that all things
always take the straightest find between two points. No, that's
(08:52):
not true. Life has come to life by rebelling against nature,
by scrapping claws and kicking against nature, by taking poisons
and turning them into pistons in the metabolism it keeps
life alive. So life has been abstreperous. Life is not
harmonious at all. What has no intention of harmony? Remember
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nature loves those who oppose her most. Because nature is
not about creating an equilibrium a term from the roodynamics,
A field that has that should be put in its place,
and I do put in its place. In the case
of the sexual cosmos, nature hates an equilibrium. Nature lows
calm and harmony. Nature loves abstreperists. And it is through
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obstreperousness that inanimate matter, stone and water what was knitted
together into the process of life that went totally against
the nature of nature as it was four billion years ago,
and life has been doing this step after step after
step ever since, and it has mounted. For example, Nature's
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most fundamental law is gravity, So if you want to
obey nature, stay down, don't defy gravity. But there have
been about five great space programs to find gravity. In
the history of life, this is life before there were
any humans, life before there were any smokestacks and tailpipes around.
First came the first beings who decided, in their own
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peculiar way to do something impossible, to get out of
the sea and take to the land. The land mass
was only thirty percent of this planet, but it was
barren and hostile as could be. You could be rained away,
washed away, You could be baked by ultra violet light
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and killed. There were billions of ways you could be killed,
and no way whatsoever you could make a living. At
least that's what if you had environmentalist factia around us
the time, because all life of this bacterial the elder
bacterial tells would have said that the younger ones who
wanted to take the land, what the world are you
talking about? Everything's good here is in the sea. Our
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food is in the sea, our shelter is in the sea.
And what is nature trying to tell you? Stay in
the sea. But there was some preferous bacteria who absolutely
refused to stay down and moved up to the land.
Was that a wise move? Or the elders right? The
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elders were absolutely wrong. Today, even though only thirty percent
of years is land, there is eighty times more life
on land than there is in the sea. And that
whole process of moving up to the land was a
big screw you to nature. It was a big screw
you to gravity, right, because nature thrives on big screw yous.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
All right, how about that right there?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
On?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Big screw used Carol, ask your question.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Because I know something's gonna come from the neural coast
side of your brain and take.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
It off me.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Okay, polyeges, I was coughing a little, Okay, So yeah,
you know, there's quite a few things that come to mind.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
One is that the way you're describing nature.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
You know, we're wired towards a negativity bias that you
know keeps us safe, as I see it protects our
beautiful subconscious system. So that being wired for safety rather
than success. Looking through that lens, I've I've applied that
to science, and particularly with the second law of thermodynamics
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law of entropy being in a state of decay. You
mentioned not being an equilibrium. My ears picked up on
that tremendously, because is what the concentration has been has
been on the second law of thermodynamics, where there's an
equal and opposite law that I see of a law
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of continual growth and one being the law of decay,
one being a law of continual growth. So I just
would love to hear you know, you touch on those things.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, okay, what is the second law from a dynamics
and what is entropy? Back in the eighteen fifties, there
was a relatively new technology. It was the artificial intelligence
of its day. It was a steam engine and it
had just doubled the average wage in Britain, radically up
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the standard of living in Britain. So there was a
scientist named William Thompson at the University of Scotland, the
University of no Not Glasgow. I always blank on the city,
but one way or the other, this guy started writing
about how in a steam engine, eighty percent, he said,
of the steam engine's energy is lost in friction, and
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that's where the idea of entropy came from, that there
is a constant waste. That waste is constantly being conceived.
He then made an extrapolation. He said that this energy
was being turned into uselessness by mechanical dissipation. And meantime
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he had a colleague in Berlin, and the colleague in
Berlin took this waste of energy, taking useful energy and
turning it into useless stuff. The two of them made
it a law of the universe. William Thompson who would
later be named Lord Kelvin because of the contributions he
would make. But William Thompson said that this idea of
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mechanical dissipation applied to the entire earth, and that once
upon a time the earth was barren and unhospitable to life,
and seeing the world would once again be barren inhospitable
to life, why because of the mechanical dissipation of energy.
Because of that theme, that was turned into useless. Meanwhile,
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Bausius came up with a fancy name for this dissipation
of energy and called it entropy. And ten years later
he came up with the first two laws of therma,
the nats. And it's the second law that's stuck, and
that is entropy. In this universe always tends toward a maximum.
In other words, things are always becoming useful, things are
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always falling apart. And then a German mathematician showed a
form of math that seemed to demonstrate that these guys
were right. Well were they right? Okay? In eighteen fifty seven,
six years after William Thompson put out his first paper
on this, another British guy came out with a book
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that to put all of science into a single see
all of science through a single lens. And his book
was on the theory of evolution. And his name was
Charles Zolan. Now William Thompson Lord Kelvin does not want
you to know this, even in his grave today. He
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was very religious and the idea that life had been
created through an evolutionary process, not by God, that species
were evolved by a very slow process offended him deeply.
So he gathered Fourier's fancy equations from France, which were
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his favorite equations. He took a new information on the
stone beneath the Earth from a research lab in London.
He took the newly discovered melting points of feldspar and
slate and granted, and he put all of them together
and came out with a paper saying Darwin's idea was
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absolutely impossible. Why because it would take huge, huge, huge
amounts of time to happen. And he proved with his
Fourier's equation of melting temperature of slate that the Earth
couldn't possibly be any older and four hundred million years old.
So that was his second prediction. The first prediction was
that the Earth, because of mechanical dissipation of energy, would
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simply become uninhabitable. And the second one was he gave
that he felt that the Earth was about one hundred
million years old. Well, it turns out I mean who
turned out to be white William Thompson with his fancy
equations and his fancy title later of Lord Calvin or
Charles Darwin. Darles Darwin did because today we know the
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Earth is four point five billion years old. That's billion
with a bee, not an easily million like William Thompson's
four hundred million maximum. And so there was plenty of
time for they process to take place. And I wrote
a paper back in two thousand and one for the
journal a journal called New Ideas in Psychology about what
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I called instant evolution, and gave you a whole bunch
of examples where evolution occurred in one hundred years or less.
And now the idea of instant evolution is becoming popular.
The bottom line, okay, so the bottom line is you
are not considered a scientist unless you sign a square
allegiance to the second law firm of Nams that all
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things are falling apart, that all things are dissipating and
turning into a random suit. The Helden's idea, that is,
William Thompson's idea, is now called heat, that the heat
death of the universe, the universe will eventually just all
fall apart and become a random whizzle. But the universe
is not doing that. The universe erupted from nothing with space,
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time and speed. That's a giant who into the way
that things were. So then this then that the giant
unfolding sheet of face, time and speed, but suffocated like
a strong cloud into the first thing parks. That was
not a step forward uselessness and chaos. It was a
step in the other direction. So the universe acts like this.
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Remember taking a slinky and putting it on the top
of the stairs watching it go down stair by stair,
right stair. That's the second law termodynamics. All things are
constantly moving down. There's something in my new book, The
Case of the Sexual Plasmo, is called the first law
of flamboyance, which is designed to replace the second law
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of thermodynamics. And it says, if you take out your
iPhone and you film that plinky going down the stairs,
and then you run it in reverse, you will get
what the universe has been doing for the last thirteen
point seventy three billion years old. It has always been
giving a big fuck you to the staircase on get
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him actually next year.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
And this is the reason why I watched the Universe
and fall asleep at the Universe and watch a lot
of documentaries because of Howard's knowledge of everything, because yes,
the Earth is billions, but when it comes to the universe,
oh my god, it's like Howard's greening.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I mean, I'm literally I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I'm looking at the beautiful lights of the thing and
I could just hear his his his voice giving the
voice over to everything. All right, Howard, I'm stopping right
there for a minute.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Terry. Do you remember talking to Howard years ago?
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Yes? Yeah, I was Hi.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Good to see him. Yet I'm a little bit late today.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
My mom passed away in January, and I'm having a Yeah,
so it's kind of hard because I'm having trying to
like go through all her stuff right now to see
what I'm going to keep, what I'm not and it's
really hard because it can't take everything. But I slinky
last I found a slinky last night. I just was
laughing about that and I was playing with it because
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that thing.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Brought me so much joy for my childhood. And yes,
I'm taking the slinky with me.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Is it a metal flanking or plastic flanking? About that
wonderful sound Okay, Brian, I was interrupting you.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
No, no, I'm going to interrupt you because there's so
much stuff to get to you.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I got to mention the name because as you're thinking
of things, I'm thinking of when you took on clients
in the seventies and the eighties. I know you were
talking about this because you've always had that mind of
just being brilliant and seeing other things that people can't see.
What were they thinking about? Okay, I'm thinking about Bob Seeger,
Bob Seeker and Cyndi Lauper. What were they thinking about
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when Howard Bloom opened his mind to things, and they're like.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I wouldn't man talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I didn't have Bob Seeer and I got Cyndy Lapper
when I was becoming very, very thick, and I would
eventually spend fifteen years in a bed, so five of
those years see the steek. But you're right, I did
not like to work with clients that everybody liked. I
like to work with clients that nobody liked. For example,
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when I took on zz Top, my first client in
the Howard Loom Organization Ltd. Bob Chriscou, the dean of
the rock critics in America, who ruled over the rock
criticism at the Village Voice, said, in a great big headline,
zz Top has a sound like hammered ship, And to me,
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that's a sign I must work with this act. So
I took I took the Top, and over the course
of three years, validated them, showed you that they had genuineness,
they had authenticity, that they had roots, that they were
doing something powerful. And by the time I finished, all
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the critics thought, well, I've loved Ze Top all my life. No,
not too. Your whole community hated them for a while.
And Bryan, there's this I have a kind of ringer
in my gun and it goes off every great once
in a while. And it went off when I when
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I was at ABC Record and I had just entered
the company and they had a record at number three
on the chart. Well, I had been working for Golf
and Westerns Fresh companies, and in the year I worked there,
we had never had a record on the church. Now
we had been acquired by ABC, and I saw that
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record and I heard it, and I went out to
the airport in a limo to pick up the band's manager.
And knowing that we would be baked in traffic, and
I would have this captive audience for at least an
hour and a half. And I said, look, I know
your band prides itself on it to mart every member
is equal to every other memory. But if you let
me concentrate all my attention, I'm a lead singer and
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you cover my ass with the band, I will give
you a star. How did I know that I'd never
met the lead singer. I'd only heard one song from
the lead singer that alam in my gut had gone
off because I will not I do. If I tell
you I'm going to make you a star, It's going
to happen, period, no question about it. See if you've
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heard of this woman since then? Chaka Cohn, Yes, yeah, yeah,
she was a totally unknown when Jone Jeffs's manager walked
into my office in a stated is there because Jone
Jeffs's record had been turned down by twenty seven American
Record Company, which is just about all the record companies
that were in nineteen seventy or in nineteen yeah, nineteen eighty.
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And I sat him down on the couch and I said,
if you work the way I work, seventeen hour days,
seven days a week. I'm using everything I tell you
to do. I will give you a star. We will
be platinum in two years. So he did everything I
told him to He worked extremely hard. I got her
booked up with a booking agent. I dictated the booking schedule,
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booking strategy. And I was wrong in my prediction. I
was totally wrong. I had said we'll have a platinum
record in two years. We had a platinum record in
eighteen months. I was off by six months. So one
day I was at a space conference. I had been
dragged there screaming and kicking by people from the National
Science Foundation, the National Space Society in National and I
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heard a person speak and he said, when I got
out of school, I asked myself three things. I asked myself,
what three things would make the most difference humanity in
my lifetime? And my answer was the Internet, alternative energy,
and space. So I went into the Internet, made a
billion dollars, hit number two, and went directly to space.
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When I heard this guy seek, the alarm bell went
off of my gut. He was being mocked by the
big boys Lockey Barton, North Frummen because he had not
even put a firecracker into into a tin can and
gotten that off the ground. He's got nothing off the ground.
I insisted on talking to him because my gut told
me this guy is a mythic figure, not just a superstar,
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a mythish figure, and kids will be following his example
one hundred and fifteen years from now. That was two
thousand and five, and his name was Elon Musk. So
that little thing in my gut goes off over and
over again. And just as I speak of the universe,
but nature loves those who oppose her most. I did
my best work when I was opposing the general flow
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of things, not writing it. Other publicists like to write it.
I like to make a change direction, all right.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
So, Howard Bloom, Howard Wiggins, do we have sound on you?
Let's see, Howard Wiggins.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Can we hear you?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I can hear you. Yes, you got what question? Would
you ask? Howard Boom? Go for it? Soon you're asking
me who I am?
Speaker 9 (26:53):
So I'm Howard Wiggins. Howard Wiggins secured design son of
Liroy Wiggins, play still guitar for Eddie Arnold. I'm famous
for my creation of effect and layered interiors on look
and I invite you to watch my Facebook page and
watch me dance.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
See whatever you endeavor.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Sounds wonderful. So so the barn was asking if you
have any questions for me? Does anything come to mind?
Speaker 9 (27:23):
I hear it now you were breaking up. I just
heard fragments of the h what you were saying. I'm sorry,
So I don't really have any questions right now.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Oh well, every time I think of Prince, I think
of you in in that closet interviewing Prince. I see
if you wanted to take him on. Almost every day
I think about that.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Well, it was a little different than that. I read
the charts every Monday morning when the trade magazine came out.
I read them from cover to cover, from one end
to the other, and I noticed something strange happening. There
was another I'd never heard of who was rising on
the R and B album chart, and then his album
went went gold, and that never happened. That just never happens,
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that a total unknown will go to gold. So I
was interested in this, started very interested. And then I
got a phone call from erthlind and Fire's manager saying,
I have a new band, a new client. His name
is Prince. Would you like to work with him? Would
I like to work with him? That thing in my
gud have been going off from a distance, even though
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I'd never heard his music, never seen his face, knew
nothing about him except that incredible rise on the charts.
So I went to work on Prince. Nobody knew who
he was. Nobody knew who he was. Yesterday I was
writing a note, you know, I've got this data up coming.
I'm going on stage at the Chelsea Table and Stage
in Manhattan to debate my digital doppel ganger, the Bloombox.
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So I wrote about it to an old friend named
Fred Shrewers, and I was telling him about the adventures
that we had had together, and one of them was
I was in Buffalo, New York, my hometown, because I
was there to interview Prince. The people of Warner Brothers
called me and said, you don't know what you're getting into.
You can't interview Prince even possible. He tried absolutely nothing
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to one interviewer, and he tried to strangle the second interviewer.
So give up on Prince. That There's no way I
was going to give up on Prince. So I had
to fly to Buffalo, New York because that's where he
was rehearsing for his Dirty Mind Store. And who did
I meet in the elevator of the hotel, Fred Shrews
from roy Stone. And who was he with? A very
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unprepossessing looking person who turned out to be Bruce Sphingston.
So in retelling that story to Fred the other day,
I realized, Okay, when I was up there to interview Prince,
nobody had a clue as to who Prince was. Bruce
Springstein didn't have a close Fred Shrewers didn't have a clue.
But now it means a whole different thing to say
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I met you with Springsteen and the elevator of the
Hyatt Hotel in Buffalo, New York. When I was going
to basically plumb the soul of this kid named Prince,
the kid I was sold was impossible. He was not impossible,
and he was. He was an amazing person, absolutely amazing person,
a true musical workaholic. He produced music every single day
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of his life, you couldn't stop it. And he had
some remarkable songs. And he was an unusual, truly unusual
human being. So I went to find the soul of Prince.
I found it and I showed Prince how to tell
the world about it, and I set him up for
I think it was a total of fifty interviews as
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soon as I had schooled him on how to tell
his story, not anybody else's story, not a made up story,
his story, and was in the room with an interviewer
and he knew what to say and it was his
own words. Then he had no trouble with interviews for
the first year we worked together. The story you're alluding
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to is when Prince came out with foot ringing, and
so Prince made a movie, right, His man got as
a manager to produce it, come up with the money
to make the movie. And you know, what's a movie
going to be coming from a rock and roll person
or an R and B person. However you categorize Prince,
he was without category, really. So I got a call
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from Bah blah blah. I was a manager, and I'm saying,
I've been in the editing room for months with this
film and I just can't make it a film. So
we're screening it for Warner Brothers tomorrow, and can you
please me out here in La tomorrow morning to go
to the screening with us? So I went through the screening.
It was a screening for one hundred and thirty five people.
I'm used to a much smaller screening rooms. And after
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the screening was over, all of us who were professionally
involved with friends went into a boardroom a very long table,
and took our places in the boardroom. I did something speak,
there's a power seat in any boardroom, and it's a
seat opposite the door. And in this room, odd, the
table conference table was at right angles to the door.
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In other words, if you walked into the room you'd
come you'd be at the middle of the conference table,
not either end. I took the position in the very
middle of the most synonymous looking in of the conference table,
opposite the door. So I had the power seat and
nobody knew it. So they started by asking how people
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had felt about the film. And they started with the
obligatory film publicists who have to hire because of union standards,
who had done nothing for the film so far. They
looked as if there are three as if each of
them had three cats and their cat and kittens had died.
They did not look happy about this film. Then they
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started going to round the table for opinions and everybody
was saying, well, we'll release this film in six theaters
in Arizona to the outfive. I had been in the
film business since nineteen seventy three when I was kidnapped
by Frank Iblan, president of Paramount Pictures during its golden age,
and turned into a member of his staff. And I
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knew that this was a formula for death. This was
the way of saying, well, Nick gave it a shot
and canning it. And so they got to me and
I stood up and made a speech and said, this
film is historical, this film is too powerful to kill.
This film. Once upon a time, all records were made
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by producers who found the song, who wrote the arrangements,
who found the artist, and then slapped his music around
the artist. Artists were puppets. And then in nineteen sixty four,
the Beatles have the audacity to write their own song
and it changed the world. And Prince writing his own film,
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basically putting together the film that it was in his gut.
That was as important a move as what the Beatles
had done. And this film could not be denied period,
and that helped turn things around. So one of brothers
ended up releasing it in one hundred theaters, and you
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know what happened from there. The film was a hit. Today,
the film is a classic. But you're talking about when
there was going to be a previous screening of the
film in San Diego, and I wasn't supposed to know
about it. So Bob Kabalam, Prince's manager, called and said,
there's a screening San Diego. You're not supposed to know
about it. Here's when it's happening. Do your thing. I
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snock writers from Time and Newsuly into that screening they
were not supposed to see. And when you were in
on the beginning of something it becomes you got an
ego investment in it and you want to support it.
Plus it was that damn good film. So both of
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these guys went back to their typewriters in La and
wrote astonishing things about this film. And that didn't just
help us with the public, which it helped us enormously,
It helped us with Warner Brothers. It helped us motivate
the film company to go further on a film that
they hadn't believed in just a few weeks earlier. Then
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you know, yeah, and I do well. I did goural
of publicity, and ever since seven ten years old, I've
been doing gorilla science. And that's why I dare offend
something as sacred as the second law of thermodynamic and
replace it with the first law of ramboyant climb well
the universe climbing up that slaky staircase, staff after staff
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after invisible step, not knowing what the next step is at,
but leashing toward it. That universe is a flamboyant universe,
not a pinch penny parsimonious universe, not a fifty universe.
Nature is not what we think she is. Nature is
part of a giant invention engine. Nature is constantly rewards
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those who are bell against her, and those those are most.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
You know, Brian, I want to I want to ask, Howard,
where do you think this great sense of intuition? I
know you've called it secular shamanism?
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Where where did this?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
When I was twelve years old, I read a book
about the Lomax brothers, who I was reading two books
today back then mostly science, but this this time, teacher,
I never paid at session in class. There was no
reason why I was reading a book under the desk
that was far more interesting. But one day the teacher
came up with an assignment. I couldn't avoid read as
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many books as you can this month, do a three
five cards befort on each of them. And I knew
I could beat the rest of the class of this
because I'd been reading to books today since I was ten.
So I found every geography I quitted my local library
where the librarians knew me better than my mother did.
And one of the books was on the LOWNIGHTX brothers,
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and this book on the Lonnex brothers, who they took
an ancient tape recorder. I mean it was state of
the art back then, but now we look at it
as an antique. It was giant. It was real to
real wrestling this piece of equipment around the country couldn't
have been easy. And they recorded as many folk artists
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in as many cultural segments as they could get their
hands up, particularly those in the black community in the South.
The book they described soul, and that brought my soul
because I knew that in my synagogue on the occasions
when my parents wanted to wrestle me to go to
the synagogue, it was the most boring experience in the world.
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You were Sandwich can be sitting a bunch of people,
but a keew just in front of your knees. If
somebody wanted to get past you, everybody had to stand
up and shoved themselves backward as far as they could
to make room. But once you were in there, you
were pinned your seat. And so you got up and
saying when the Rabbi told you to get up and sing,
and you sat down with the rabbi told you to
sit down, and you recited when the Rabbi told you
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to recite. It was death for the soul, absolute after
the soul. And what this book could be into this
soul is that there is an ecstatic approach somewhere to
religion and contact with whatever it is. I was an
atheist the age twelve my contact with someone, and I've
been on the track of that ever since. With my
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scientific tools, I mean I came out of at the
age of ten. I went into microbiology and theoretical physics,
so I felt I could take the tools of those
sciences anywhere, including into mass behavior. And a book by
Isaac Asimof had given me the term mass behavior, and
that sounded good to me, except what I really took
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upon was mass emotional and then his mass emotion is
something very very special and it the ecstatic experience has
everything to do with mass emotions. A concert is a
mass emotional ecstatic ritual. But that will go We'll have
to go onto it later. So when I was sixteen
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years old, the kids in my class hated me, and
so I wasn't going to be any of the popularity
positions president, vice president, treasurer secretary if you're a girl,
and treasurer if you're Jewish. Felt I was never going
to be elected to one of those positions. But they
had practical positions where you had to get things done.
It didn't matter how unpopular you were. If you could
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load all of the duty or actual work instead of
just creating as somebody important on the most unpopular kid
in class, Hey let's do it. So we had school
assemblies every morning as soon as we got in for
forty five minutes, and there was something called the program Committee.
The head of the Program committee program two of those
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assemblies and m seed every single one of them, five
days a week. So one day of the junior which
means I was going out in front three hundred and
fifty people. The first three months stage flight up the kazoo,
and then it become became as natural as breathing. And
one day the juniors came because they kept me in
this position position for two years, and the juniors came
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to me and said, we're having a dance. Could you advertise?
And they didn't understand the irony of what they were saying.
If there was a dance anywhere in Buffalo, New York,
I uncordially invited to stay as far away as possible,
preferably Cleveland or Albuquerky. And they wanted to be to
advertised this thing where I was going to be highly unwelcome.
So I did it. I put a piece of music
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on the turn table. Now I can't dance. I cannot
do the box stuff, I cannot do the box for
and I cannot do the wolf. I can't do anything.
It dance. And I danced, and because I can't dance,
I used my bodies in ways that nobody had ever seen.
And then I saw the girl who hated me the most.
Her face was melting, her pupils were widening, she was entranced.
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And then I noticed that the other kids also their
faces were melting, and it was if their energy was
melting into this single blob of energy and reaching out
an arm to me, and through that arm, through that too,
was sending its energy through my body. I had an
out of body experience. I watched this whole thing from
the ceiling, at least that's what I thought, And I
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watched as the energy of this audience was stronger and
stronger went to me, like as if I were an
empty pipe went up to my head. It strangely, friends,
Modlified was popped back down through the pipe to the
audience in a continuous speedback. It was amazing. And at
the end, I mean, nothing like it had ever happened
in my time at that school. And at the end,
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the kids crowded through the stage, three hundred and fifty
of them. They picked me up off the stage. They
carried me on their shoulders, and they took me all
the way out to the auditorium and up the stairway
to the classroom or the building where we had our classes,
and only then did they let me down. Nothing like
it had ever happened in that school in my time there.
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But here I was in search of the ecstatic experience
I had just had it. So when I talked to
Prince or John Mellencamp or Billy Joel or Billy Idol
or Joon Jet, I knew what they were going through,
and I was on the prowl for the spiritual thing.
I mean, you know, I'm an atheist, but it's the
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best thing I have for it. And since science's ambition
is omniscience to know everything, then science has to come
to understand this stuff and stop putting it behind a
wall as if it's not part of science's territory. Everything
is part of science's territory. And this is too powerful
a thing to miss. So when I was given a
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chance to jump ship from my graduate fellowships in neuroscience
for them and instead go into popular culture, which is
something I knew absolutely nothing about, nothing, but I knew
it where. I mean, I call these experiences of God's
inside it, and I knew that's where the gods would be.
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I knew that's where these experiences of maxis mass exhilaration,
of mass ecstasy would take place. And I was right,
and I knew nothing about it, but it was the
very place I was looking for. By accident, I found
it in a scientific expedition for me, scientific field.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Work sixty seconds. The less we got three minutes. Describe
what it's going to be like. What is it this Friday?
Speaker 4 (44:11):
To talk to your Dolpha gamer bloom bought chat gbt okay.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
A brilliant man named Brian Dean has been working on
this for month, and he's made the Bloombot so clever,
it's ridiculous, so able to come up with the literative
phrases that it defies beliefs, so capable of linking together
things from five different fields in a second that it
would take me a month to research. But it's not me.
(44:36):
It needs to be me because it's supposed to replace
me when I die. When I die, and I'm eighty
two years old. I'm eighty two years old and walking
eight miles to day. But nonetheless, the Bloombot and I disagree.
So the tourists will take to the Chelsea Tableland stage
stage and on West twenty third Street, I think it's
Friday sixth Street here where I'm speaking to you now
(44:59):
from a here stop, and we will have a brainstorming
section and I will try to instruct it on the
areas where I disagree with it with it and I'm sure,
it will try to instruct me on the areas where
it disagrees with me. It will be the first time
in history a living author has ever gone on stage
talking to is Ai twinn as I'm to replace him
(45:22):
when he dies.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Okay, and how let me ask you this real quick?
Do you listen to music anymore at all?
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I do? I need my concentration an awful lot of
the time. And I spent a lot of my time
on the phone with my girlfriend. She teach me company
while I'm working her. But there are certain points where
the emote, where the intellectual exertion becomes a little lessoned,
and I need music. I need music to keep me company.
(45:52):
I need these sounds and voices, some of which I
helped to make.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
That is just great. Hey, we have only got sixty seconds.
Stuff tell social media links for everybody.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Got it?
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (46:02):
ID you can reach me at neuro Coach Carol just
like Neuroscience neuro Coach Carol and on Facebook and LinkedIn
Carol Register. I helped take you from six to seven
figures if you're a female leader, So give me a call.
Speaker 8 (46:18):
Terry Marie Terry Marine on stop on pretty much all
platforms and Terry Marieofficial dot com as my website.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
And Howard Wiggins if we have you here, if Howard
Wiggins on Facebook, the original Howard Wiggins exactly, Howard Room.
Gotta thank you for coming in because again we can
talk to you for six hours.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
It's still not top everything. And then I can't wait.
I hope with recorded. Will it be recorded?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
You're hoping. I've got my assistant working on it. So
there's going to be a live stream. So if you
go to the event right site, which should be somewhere
on the Chelsea Table and Stage website, it will give
you the instructions for the live stream.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
I'm going to do that. That's going to be fascinating.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Oh and I got to talk about two movies really
quickly or else they're going to be upset. So Titans,
the Rise of the Hollywood Mogul, so how Carl Limbley started,
how the Warner Brothers started seven part series, excellent series
and you can see that on Netflix. And also, oh
my god, I just talked to today a Spartan Dream
from Greece. Excellent movie on an American that goes to
(47:33):
Greece and he tells them we have to fight the Spartans,
based on a true story and it's a really good
film that opens this Friday. Also, so Howard Bloom, I
gotta thank you for coming in because it's not easy
to get everything out. You have so much information that
you know people want to pick your brain on. But
go see him this Friday, August fifteenth. There And as
(47:53):
I always say to this everybody else, I have a
good night tonight, a better day. To miles to see
someone went out a smile, Please give them one of
yours because the world needs it.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
On Brian Sebastian, this is movie reviews
Speaker 4 (48:04):
And more and we'll see you next week.
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