July 22, 2025 • 51 mins
Matthrew Terril, CEO of ChefPaw (and Founder and COO of umbrella company Innovet Pet Products) who counts ChefPaw as one of his many inventions.
Evan Morton - Director & Owner @Blind View Productions I Create Captivating Content for Film, TV, & Innovative Brands. He directed a short film about Wolfdogs.
Jo Ann Gramlich, M.S. CCC-SLP, is a renowned national speech-language pathologist, award-
winning children’s author, and passionate advocate for early childhood communication.
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Evan Morton - Director & Owner @Blind View Productions I Create Captivating Content for Film, TV, & Innovative Brands. He directed a short film about Wolfdogs.
Jo Ann Gramlich, M.S. CCC-SLP, is a renowned national speech-language pathologist, award-
winning children’s author, and passionate advocate for early childhood communication.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:06):
Whether it's Brian Sebastian, movie reviews more, and if it's Tuesday.
First of all, you never know if you're going to
have good Internet. You never know what's going to be happening,
especially during a retrograde. For those of us not believe
in communication and computer problems, it does happen and it
does exist. So we are live. This is show number
one hundred and sixty two live shows in a row,
going strong, still live on Talk for Media, KHD Radio,
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Talk for TVs, streaming out over one hundred outlets around
the world right now and I two two four seven
out of Franklin, Tennessee. So this show is interesting and
also special, just like every show is special. It's an
honor to have everybody come on when everybody can, because
I take it very seriously, and so I know I
co host you too, because they're always asking Carol and
Rachel who's on Tuesday. So I always make sure I
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send them stuff so that they have an idea. And
then so this young lady, Joe Anne, she reached out
to me probably three four months ago. I knew she
was coming on, but totally forgot that she was coming on.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So we added her at last minute.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And then I said, well, that's not you, that's my
fault because I forgot how to reach her. And then
so this other guy, Evan, I found his film, you know,
called Fulson's Run about wolf dogs, and I said, oh,
I got to have him.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
How do I squeeze him in? And then I said, oh,
I can make this happen.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And then with Matt Well, I knew what Matt was
coming on because he's been scheduled for about three and
a half four months. I said, this will work some
kind of crazy way, like we always do. So it's
about dogs, it's about children, it's about some of it
maybe about cooking, some of it maybe about neuro coaching,
you know, his interior designing and art, a little bit
about fitness, but it all works, and that's the more
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movie reviews and more.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So Evan, I want to start with you.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know, he's a director, he's an owner at that
Blind View Productions. He creates and captivates great content for TV,
film and other brands. But I really liked Fulson's run.
We're gonna show a trailer of this one a little bit.
I can't wait to talk to him because I found
him at Dances with Wolves Los Angeles. And when you
see wolf dogs in person, I thought I wanted one
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until I saw how big they were and I said,
I don't think I could have it that way. So
that'll be interesting in the see And then you know
he's the CEO, Matt. I know you're gonna be a
little bit glitchy. I know it, so I'm prepared for it.
But we're gonna work with what we have with you.
And so when you're that CEO and that founder of
Shep Paul and that too so umbrella company, Invasion Pet Products,
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I love that he is that let's see, mechanical engineer.
He's that inventor, so I can only imagine how his
brain works. But when you can create great products for dogs,
that's important, really really important, And I think there's some
CBD probably in there. But he's got a bunch of
patents too, so Matt Durell. So that's a great thing,
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Joe Anne. So, Joeann, anytime we have kids in the
future of kids, I'm all about that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'm all about learning.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You know, without the future, they said without the past,
there is no future, and it goes the other way around.
Now everything is like a circle, unfortunately. So that's speech pathologists,
that award winning author. I really want to see her
books go someplace, you know, talk, play and read that
book series. I really think something can happen with that.
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But when you want to help those kids, you know,
from birth on their their language and literary square skills,
I think that's really really important.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Joanne.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I got to start with you because that's really in
talk and talk about what to do and why kids
of today are important. And when I think of this,
I think of Cooper, you know, Rachel's son.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Talk about that, Joeann.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
All right, well I'll just well, thank you so much
for having me here. I'm really honored, so thank you
so much. It's nice to feed everybody.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
So let's see.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I'm a speech language pathologist advocate for early literacy and
language show the facilitator and so I, let's see just
a little reference. I started working in the city years
ago with the kids in the lower performing school, and
so what was happening was I.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Was working there, and I also was working after school.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
In the suburb Suburbinaria suburban area and then the city schools.
But the commons nominator was with the parents after school
was how can I get my kids to talk? But
in school. While I'm in the school in the city,
there wasn't a lot.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Of parent involvement.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
So then we have these heavy caseloads and you know,
you're always seeing these kids twice a week, three times
a week.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Assembly spiel drips everything in our fears. You just do
the best you can.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
So I thought that I could come up with some
resources to help the parents, right, because they're coming to school. Gosh,
just for example, you have six graders that are reading
on our first grade level.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I mean that's a huge gap, right, So.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
You can see that when they're coming into school, they
don't have the appropriate language skills that they should have
gotten when they're during that birthday five period, which is
a crucial period for language development because.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
The syneptic connections that are being made. And the more
the input you have, the more.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Interactions, the more the life experiences you have, the more
your brain to grow.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And eighty percent of the brain is developed by age three,
so you have adverse conditions in the environment.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
You know, the black limited language, limited experience is out
of place Roland once you go to kindergarten.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And the problem with that is kids are expected to
be reading and writing. They're learning the fundamentals of reading
and writing, but they have they should be reading at
the end of kid When I went to Camen, I.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Don't think we are at that point. I think we
started in first grade. But it's a whole different body.
Now I work with pre kitkids too. Right now I
don't work in the city anymore, but that's just a
reference point that I was telling you about.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
But presently I work in the.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Pre k part time and the pre k schools and
it's the same thing.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
These kids are coming.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
In with a lot of limited language and respected to
find letters, lend sounds to form words during phonemic awareness activities,
letter recognition tests, letter sound recognition tests. It's just a
lot for them. And if they don't have that birth
year three period.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Locked in it.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It's just there's so many kids in the classroom and
now with this extra, a new layer that I shouldn't
say extra, a new layer of children coming from different
different countries.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
They don't even.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Speak English, so you have that layer on top of
kids that are just not exposed to language early on.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So that's why I created these books Toughli and Ruth.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Me Mommy, Toughley and Ruth Me Daddy to get the
message out there. Because also I have this new program
called the behind cycle.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Basically the catchphrases.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Being behind, falling behind, and staying behind, and so fundamentally
it just means children are not reading at their expected
age and grade level because they can't keep up with
the educational.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Demands because they're so far behind.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
So we want to reverse the cycle and get them reading,
and we want them to achieve that afterdomic success.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Because you know what I wrote. Do have another minute? Okay?
I did a case study with the kid in school
years ago. Right came into third grade at.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
My school and he was the sweetest boy. So I
took him on a case or I took him out
after school. He was at my speech and Language caselow.
Reading six words minute is not reading so at that point.
So I had him for a year and at the
end of that year he was reading one hundred ords
a minute.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
All I did was go out and buy this book
how the teacher.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Child how to read one hundred easy lessons, And we
read and we read and we read. And so kids
at the end of the third grade are expected read
one hundred and fourteen words per minute.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And he was, you know, unfortunately he was, you know,
in the poverty situation. But the point is, these kids
can read. Somebody needs to read with them and frequently read,
especially when they're you know, learning at a slower rate.
So I have another story, but it's the same scenario.
It was EML students, same thing. He came in with
zero English and the first word, the first word, well,
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how we say Jojo right out having company missed Jojo
because I wasn't expecting the same as Gramblin. So he
said Jojo, and I said, oh my god, there's a
breakthrough here. And then he was so sweet. It took
him under my wing and exposed him to the same
book and he was reading writing it was and he
was in sixth grade. So I guess the overall moral
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of the story is that these kids can read, they
just need to have somebody read with them option regularly.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
It's but it's a vicious cycle. They get labeled. They
don't need to be labeled, they just need to read
with them.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, so we got to pick back on Carol on this,
followed by racer Carol, tell you are and then THATTT
We're coming to you because I know you got a
slight delay dad, Carol.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Yeah, lovely to hear from you, Joanne. I want to
just give a shout out to Better Vision for Children
and Easy Way Network, and also to Heather Mariana because
I am trying out some of her amazing beauty kitchen stuff.
So awesome. Okay, I'm Carol Register. I am the creator
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of the Neurowealth Method. What does that mean? I take
female leaders from six figures to seven figures my program,
who's just relaunched. There's a few openings left. Ninety percent
of my current clients have had increase and income within
the first thirty days. So if you're looking to grow
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your wealth, jump in with me. It's private invite programs,
so reach out and contact me.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Rachel. Yes, ill who you are.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I'm I'm in Houston, Texas. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
It's hard to write. You're always saying I'm a chef.
Now you got me wanting to say it. When I
started with Brian years ago, that's what we called was
a chef because I had a cooking show. But I
like to say that I'm more into acting or you
know whatever. I have a morning show called Coffee Talks
and you can find that on social media and it's
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a lot of fun I do. Yeah, I do modeling
and promos and you know, podcasts and have a lot
of fun with social media.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
She's actually kicking out. She's just pretty. She's in a
mellow mood today.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
How would we tell who you are?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
For?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
By Terry, then Matt will go into you.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
Howard Briggan's Cterior Design like You says, I'm one of
the top thirty five world interior designs.
Speaker 9 (11:50):
I've got my own look called Stacked and Layered.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
I'll be moving to Chattanooga pretty soon and I'm going
to open up a business there.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
Out of so stay tuned for that. That's pretty much it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Terry him.
Speaker 10 (12:05):
I'm Sara Marie. I'm here in southern California. I've been
with Bryan since twenty fourteen. I started with him when
I started competing in fitness competition. So fitness is my
life and my life and my lifestyle. I've been acting
since i've been a little kid. I've been in movies
and ben commercials. I've modeled, I've done everything. That's why
they call me NonStop. I have a day job where
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I work in the field of orthopedics with I'm a rat,
but I work with patients as well. Actually, I have
to get off early night because I have to do
an in service at a hospital tonight for the emergency departments.
Speaker 9 (12:41):
That's why I'm in this outfit.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
But I'm really.
Speaker 10 (12:44):
Excited for things to come.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
I've had a.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Journey last couple of years.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
So my mom with de Manchester, has taken a lot
of my time to pass away in January, which I'm
really excited about. But I was opening up a whole
new chapter of my life, which Brian knows, and Brian's
been there with me. So I have a lot of
projects that are going to be finally coming to fruition,
if that makes any sense. But I'm just, you know,
glad to be here. One of the main things that
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gave of Brian Knows. I do the Red Carpet hosting,
which I love Heather's products as well because I've been
using her products since I've been doing her gifting suites.
I have a ton of her stuff for stuff. It
is amazing. It's amazing skincare, amazing makeup.
Speaker 11 (13:25):
So that's me.
Speaker 10 (13:26):
So but again, yeah, I'm gonna have to be coming
going off a little bit early today.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
So Matt, so we can finally get to you because
I wanted to see.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Sometimes the Internet settles down depending what people are, sometimes
not always. Let's talk about who you are because your
product is very very important. Talk about how you started that,
your story and where everything came from.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Beyond.
Speaker 9 (13:46):
Oh, thank you very much. It's great to be here.
Speaker 12 (13:47):
And hopefully our spectrum Internet bandwidth expands while I'm talking.
Hopefully they see this and it's been throttled. Yeah. I
I've formed in pet products twenty years ago and have
just been made pet products and making solutions for my
own dogs when there was when there was nothing out
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there good enough for them and in terms of the
unique problems that they were having. I've just let that
I've let necessity be the guide all the all along.
And then about four years ago I really pivoted into
into dog food and it was it was like it
was it's basically a lifelong quest to find the best
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dog food for my own dogs. But I didn't really
have any any spit. I didn't really have a specific
way to innovate with it with with dog food until
until I realized the possibilities with Chef Pa about four
years ago. And you know, I, uh, it took me
forever to get away from kibble and uh and in
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in you know, all the all the the marketing this
behind that. But then you know, and I went to
fresh food, and then I wound up spending I want
to spend over one thousand dollars a month on just
a bulldog and a labrador for fresh food. And then
the bulldog developed allergies and he needed to have he
needed to have like custom diets of fresh food. And
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so I, you know, I looked out. I look for all,
there are a lot of companies out there that say
they can do fresh custom diets, but to do that,
anything to realistically do that and to do it affordably,
was was not possible at all. And then at the
same time, one of my best friends was the smartest
person I've ever met, named Derek Barge. He he told
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me that he called me and said he had a
great idea for taking our Innovet pet products company and
getting into into the pet food and uh, and he
said he'd explain it to me later, and I thought
we were going to talk the next day, but then
sadly there's a tragedy and uh, he passed away in
a tragic accident. And so I was for about and
that was about three years ago, and I I was
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for months. I was thinking what could he have been
talking about, what could that idea have been? And then
one day it just kind of all hit me. It
just it just it's like every all the problems I've
been having with my own dog's food and how it
needs to be customized and how it needs to be affordable,
that you know, it's it's it needs to be at
least the same cost as our own food, and it
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really shouldn't be any more. A dog food, a dog's
meal shouldn't be any more expensive than a decent meal
for ourselves. You know, it's the same, it's the same quality.
It should be the same quality, it should be about
the same price. So it kind of it kind of
irked me that all the fresh foods available out there were,
you know, two or three times more expensive than what
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the what the regular ingredients should be. And so that
set me on a quest to UH to find to
make first a machine that could easily let people cook
and mix the food quickly and at a low tempt
so it's not burning off you know, burning off all
the nutrients and UH. And then after that I realized
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that like, how do you how do you know what
goes in it? How do you know what if the
dog has enough calories, are enough protein, enough calcium? And
so that's when I started developing a software to UH
calculate the nutritional yield of any recipe and then compare
that to the nutritional needs of dogs. And I have
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I went down a big rabbit hole of finding all
the different possible all the different possible UH schools of
thought with nutrition and dogs. And I found that the
the a f c O is the is the main
governing UH body for dog food, or at least they
used to be, and they had they had they had
adjusted their standards to fit commercial big commercial production and
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kibble specifically, and so then so we and so we
realized that making a batch of food to the kibble
standard is pretty easy. That's a it's a it's a
it's it's a it's a low standard. We should go
much further than that, and so we developed our software
to be able to calculate the individual needs of a pet,
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not just the overall general needs of dogs and cats
in general, and we launched it. We're coming up on
almost two years since we launched the machine and the software,
and it's taken off like crazy. We're going to be
at super Zoo and the New Product Showcase in about
three weeks, and we're really excited. I mean, with the
kibble industry is like the big big tree, and Chef
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Pau is like the small acts. It's ready to just
start chipping away at it.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And that was funny about that is a lot of
my female especially my female friends. I've seen them go
from Trader Joe's whole paycheck and then they go to
another store because it's expensive, and then they this is
just for their dogs. But they were enhancing the dog's life.
And I knew why they would do it. And every
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day they would make it fresh and then sometimes they
put in freezing and stuff. But it did help because
is what a lot of people forget is that dogs
and cats they have all they have allergies. It's like
they're catching things from us now, which is really interesting,
isn't it, Matt and Adam coming to you in a minute.
Speaker 12 (19:10):
Oh yeah, there's there's there's there's dogs that have food
intolerances and food allergies just like we do, and just
the same the same rates of population and everything. And also,
I mean even dogs that don't have allergies and intolerances,
they're being fed. Most of them are being fed the
exact same thing every day, day in and day out,
even if it's even even if it's a fresh food,
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the same meal over and over again is not good.
That's not how that's not how we were ever, That's
not not how we or then were ever designed to
to get their full nutrition. So it's a so we
that's why we're really we're really about having people alternate recipes,
and so we developed over fifty recipes that far exceed
the kibble standard. So for just about every life stage
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or condition that a dog is in, we've got a recipe,
a balanced recipe that is ready for that dog. And
we then created our software to be able to easily
adjust those recipes to fine tune them for specific needs.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You know what's interesting about that? And yeah, Rebell, you
read my mind, heavan, which goes into your film. Tell
them who you are and what you've created this great
short film that I like that I've been telling everybody
around the world about.
Speaker 13 (20:23):
Well, thank you so much, Brian, and happy to be
here with all of you talented people. My name's Evin Mornon.
I started Blind View Productions back in twenty twenty two.
I used to work at National Geographic on a show
called Life Below Zero. Ever since I was a kid,
I wanted to be the next Steve Ierrowin, but I
kind of fell in love.
Speaker 9 (20:40):
With the camera, so I never put that down.
Speaker 13 (20:43):
And while I was working at National Geographic, on the side,
I would do different jobs that came up as a freelancer,
and I was working at tech events. Someone got my information.
In a couple weeks later, I got invited to a wolfhike.
Didn't really know. I always thought wolves or beautiful animals.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
I grew up with dogs.
Speaker 13 (21:02):
You probably saw my dog going by at some point
and I went on this hike just outside of Los
Angeles with APEX Protection Project. You could find them at
Apex Protection Project on Instagram or apex Wolves on picktok pics.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
You have a pretty big tatok following. And I just.
Speaker 13 (21:21):
Really didn't know anything about wolf dogs and the idea
that people were breeding wolves and dogs together selling them
as pets. When we have a lot of dogs being
euthanized in shelters and then we have wolves, which are
a political abortion topic, if you will, across the country.
I wanted to highlight wolf dogs and from the work
that APEX does and made a short film about that.
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I've been working on a feature film called War on Wolves,
and I have shot thirty four.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
Days of that so far.
Speaker 13 (21:51):
But self funding only gets you so far, so we're
trying to get the final push.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Now let's take a look at because it's a great film.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
Thank you. Our community is not safe if they're not.
Speaker 12 (22:02):
Going to be safe until these animals are banned from
our area.
Speaker 13 (22:07):
In the world, is there a place for wolf dogs?
Speaker 14 (22:11):
The unfortunate thing about wolf dogs is they're kind of
stuck in two worlds. They're not necessarily a full wolf,
and they're not necessarily a dog.
Speaker 12 (22:20):
It's up for debate tonight whether wolf dogs are pets
or threats.
Speaker 14 (22:25):
In some moments they can behave perfectly, and in other
moments they've got that wildness still in them becomes.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Go go go go ah.
Speaker 14 (22:38):
Shit, if we're going to play god, that's probably.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Not a good thing.
Speaker 14 (22:50):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
You know, if Evan, how how did you how did
you want to shift the publics around this? And like
when did this idea really You know, you mentioned your hike,
but is that really where the idea hit you too,
or when did it hit you to just start bringing
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awareness about this.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (23:13):
So as a filmmaker, my first passion always is narrative filmmaking,
and I love writing scripts and shooting stuff like that.
But I always, like I said, I always grew up
around animals. And when I wanted this hike, I saw
Paul and Steve, who are the founders of APEX. Right now,
they have about twenty two wolf dogs, so you can
imagine that's a lot of work and takes a lot
of volunteers. And I saw how much these animals love
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pauland and Steve, as well as how much the volunteers
love them as well. It's a lot of work to
take care of these animals. As Matt I'm sure he
knows as a dog owner, it's a lot of work
to take care of dogs, let alone wolf dogs, and yeah,
talking to them, I really wanted to make a film
about them, but also bigger picture about wolf dogs, which
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right now they're legal in thirty seven states in the
country to breed and sell. Some of that ranges from
whether the state has grandfathered in or you know, there's
different variables to that, but overall, thirty seven states where
you can own a wolf dog. And I just thought,
we have so many dogs that are being, like I said, euthanize.
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The shelters are overcrowded, and then wolves right now are
facing a really difficult time politically, and it's unfortunate. And
I don't want to get two down the rabbit hole
about my feature film, but it's unfortunate that when people
think of wolves, they think of Yellowstone. And I say
that because Yellowstone is such a success, which is amazing,
but they don't really look at these other recoveries that
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didn't go as well, where social tolerance isn't accepted, and
it kind of gets tossed under the rug, if you will.
So I just really wanted to tell story wolf dogs
and kind of I think, if you think of like
a sixteen year old kid, how cool does it sound
to own a piece of.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
The wild and have a wolf dog?
Speaker 13 (24:58):
Now that I'm in my thirties, I never had one,
but now that I'm in my thirties, and like that
sounds like a lot of work.
Speaker 9 (25:03):
And I've got two dogs, and I've already got my
hands full.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
I'm real quick there, and then I have to go
to do my thing. But this is clearly interesting to me.
I just kind of what is kind of the temperament
of these dogs, because it sounds like they might have
kind of the same kind.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Of am of like a pit bull.
Speaker 10 (25:24):
I mean, is it kind of like some of them
like have like a more like cause you know, pit bull,
Some of them are aggressive, some of aren't. Has to
do with a lot of times the owner who breeds
them and have their bread. I just was kind of curious,
is there any correlation, you know, to that?
Speaker 13 (25:38):
So I won't get to into like the pit bull
direct correlation, But when it comes to wolf dogs, they
range in content, so there's low content, mid content, high content,
depending what percentage of wolf they are, because what they
usually do is they breed a wolf and a dog
and then they start reading wolf dogs together.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
So then the.
Speaker 13 (25:57):
Percentage theories when you mix a wild animal and a
domestic animal, just because it's a certain percentage, you don't
know which percentage that is of what traits right. So
from a psychological standpoint, you know you might have a
low content wolf dog that acts more wolfy than a
mid content or high content. So it kind of is
a little bit unpredictable, and I think a lot of
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times people bite off more than they can chew.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
You get an animal and as a puppy, it might
be kind of easy.
Speaker 13 (26:24):
And if you've seen I don't want to say, I
don't want to compare this to chimp crazy, but definitely not.
But if you've seen chimp crazy, it's like at a
certain point when an animal gets older, it starts to
mature and you start seeing behaviors that are harder to
control or domesticate. Because if you end up trying to
buy a domestic pet that's part wild and it doesn't
act like a normal dog, it's hard to put those
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expectations on something that doesn't have that same DNA makeup.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
One more question though about this, because.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
As far as the dog like, is there another like
what what breed? Is there a breed that they are
usually with or is it just random or yeah?
Speaker 13 (27:05):
So, actually, wolf dogs started in the seventeen hundreds in England.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
The first time is recorded with a Pomeranian.
Speaker 13 (27:13):
The Pomeranian used to be a larger dog that was
used for sled dogs and working working dogs. They ended
up breeding them down because one of the queens back
then wanted to make them smaller dogs. But the point
being is people thought they would make good guard dogs
or good working dogs. But the thing is wolves are
very shy and afraid of people. You can imagine we're
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talking thousands of years of like you know, seeing humans, hunts,
and not all of them became dogs. So they ended
up not being good work dogs because they were so afraid.
A lot of the times when I've gone in to
film wolves and places I've been around the country as
well as wolf dogs, a lot of times they would
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hide in the corner and they're are you afraid?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Wow?
Speaker 13 (28:01):
So what Apex does and Paul and Steve do is
one they get calls all the time because people are
either going to get them euthanized or they don't know
what to do with them and trying to find a
new home. And as you can imagine, it's incredibly difficult
to find a home for a wolf dog, let alone
a regular dog, right, but a wolf dog you need
a lot of space. You need kind of like a ranch.
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You need someone that has endless time to train them
and work with them, which you know, I don't know
anyone off the top of my head that has that.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Hey, no, Evan, I'm mad.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I'm gonna come to you a minute, because I gotta
pick your inventor Greene. Evan, do you have a great
line in the movie where no matter what, it's still
a wolf and a dog and it's in the middle
of that and it really doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
You don't know what you're going to get.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
And then once I saw it on the red carpet,
I said, Oh, that would be great to have one
of these.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Until I saw it on the red carpet how big
it was.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, And then I said, oh, you're going to have
to spend a lot of time, and I don't know,
because I want to take my dog with me. That's
why I don't have it, but I also know I
can't take it Australia or Hawaii because it'll be kennel
for a couple months and I don't want that. And
then I said I won't be getting a wolf dog
because those Yeah, so.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
It's interesting the film.
Speaker 13 (29:15):
We don't get too into this in the film, but
they're one of the wolf dogs ends up in a
ranch and the person ends up helping take care of it.
Actually works with wild horses and wild horses. As you
can imagine, people look at horses and think that's amazing.
I have an apartment, so definitely can't have a horse here.
But yeah, but getting a wild horse and making that
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domestic is like difficult, and I think when people will
get a wolf dog, there are some similarities to that
with again just the expectations of something versus the reality
of what you have and the amount of time it
takes to work on it. You know a lot of
people they want to get a classic car, right Like
I would love a classic car, but.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
I'm not a mechanic and I don't know how to work.
It's good analogy, so yeah, he.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I gotta pick your inventor and brain and in the
patent person in you.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
So, what would you make for a wolf dog?
Speaker 12 (30:07):
Well, I mean that's all gonna depend on how on
the set, on the setting really, you know, if if
if it's a pure, if it's a if it's a
full wolf dog, they should probably be hunting. They should
probably be eating eating raw, you know, like like what
they're used to. But the more the more of an
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the more you get into an urban setting, the less
realistic and the more problematic that becomes. There's a like,
the the whole raw diet thing is there's a there's
a lot of there's a lot of credibility behind it,
but there's a lot of problems there too. In the wild,
in a very rural setting, raw feeding makes total sense.
(30:52):
Number one, you're not gonna you're out in in a
rural setting, you're not gonna have to worry about uh
like equal lie and and and things like that. And
then also with a with a with a regular wolf,
their their jaw structure is designed for chewing bones and
that's the that's the way that the dogs get calcium,
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and calcium is like the number one thing that's easy
to become nutritional, nutritionally deficient in for for dogs. Now,
my my lab and my bulldog are good examples here.
My labrador has a jaw structure to structure that's very
similar to wolves. He could survive for a while, for
(31:37):
at least a while in the wild. He would be
able to hunt some things, so you know, he he
he could process bones. However, my bulldog, his jaw structure
has been uh, basically forced evolved by man, and his
jaw structure is not he could never survive in the wild.
He could have survived twenty minutes in the wild. His
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jaw structure has been evolved to survive a living room
and you know, in behind and be fed stuff. So
so yeah, it's all uh, it's all on ah, it's
all on a spectrum. If you once you're once you
you as far as feeding a wolf or a wolf hybrid,
once you get away from feeding them, from letting them hunt,
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or actually feeding them raw wild food. Now you're bringing
in you you're gonna naturally have to bring in food
from the overall food supply from you know, the our
domestic food supply. The domestic food supply is you have
to treat it. You have to treat anything raw in
the domestic food supply, even even let even vegetables, you
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have to treat it as possibly have to do.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
Yeah, did I cut out there?
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Hope not.
Speaker 9 (32:47):
But anyway, the.
Speaker 12 (32:50):
Food coming from the domestic food supply mm hmm.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (32:55):
Yeah, So if you're getting anything from grocery stores, you
gotta assume you gotta you gotta cook it or am
I still connected there?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
We got we I lost yet cooking.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
It's just glitching a little, isn't it.
Speaker 12 (33:09):
Oh No, not a good not a good spectrum.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Cable, matt if if if I could reiterate what you
were saying. You know, when you're in the commercial food
supply where things are being shipped across the country and
so forth, you're going to have to look at things
like E. Coli and potential pathogens that have gotten into
the food supply that aren't necessarily the case. When a
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dog is eating wild in the rural.
Speaker 12 (33:41):
Areas exactly, exactly, Yeah, awesome, and yeah, and then when
when when most dogs don't have the wolf like jaw structure,
so they're not capable of actually chewing and eating and
processing bones to the point where they're not going to
get bone, where they're not going to get bone bone
splinters and risk apperforated it intestines and that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
I know with my dog down in Chile, he's a
chinok and you know, really strong, amazing dog. But when
he could no longer hunt and we had to start
feeding him commercial food, he developed arthritis and the things
that humans have problems with, and so we were really
(34:25):
looking for ways to provide him a fresh diet and
a raw diet that was saved for him. Knowing like
we couldn't give him chicken bones because chicken bones were
too soft, they would break and those would damage his insights.
Like what you're saying. So what you've developed here with
this machine, I mean, this is amazing. It's life saving
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for these animals.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 12 (34:49):
Yeah. We're taking the concept of raw food, cooking of
raw food and just cooking it to the minimum temperature
as quick as possible, just to soften things so that
there they become digestible, like carrots and and sweet potatoes
in that and then just enough to kill off all
the all the typical bacteria and pathogens that are out
(35:10):
there and just streamline it real fast. And then for
most uh, for for most dogs, the the calcium supply
we're getting it from powderized eggshells. That's the that's what
we recomm that's what that's what we include to go
along with our machine, and that's what we recommend people.
People do you know my my lab if he if
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he's ever fed bones, he can chew him, he can,
he can, he can process them for the most part,
and even even crushed eggshells he could. The stomach acid
breaks that down and softens it. But this lab is
so incredibly athletics, running, running and jumping all the time
that it doesn't heat. The food doesn't stay in in
(35:54):
the stomach acid long enough for for it to break down.
It's moved. He's moving it all around in there, and
so he gets uh, he gets uh, he gets little
cuts you know in his stuff. He gets like a
little bit of blood in uh in a in a
stool with the if if it's not fully powderized. And
so that's kind of something where it's different than the
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needs the needs of of really super athletic modern dogs
might be might be different than in than a wolf
in the wild, because I mean, I doubt that a
wolf in a wild is is uh stimulated with things
all day long, with activities and and things like that
all day long. So I think it's possible that there's
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some dogs like my lab whose calorie needs are much
higher than what what his wolf ancestors would have had
in the wild.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You know, it's interesting about that, speaking of wild things. Children. Uh,
joe An, Uh, you know, I was I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I was talking to h a couple of people today
because one of the things why I'm in North Carolina
is helping take care of kids that are not mine.
But I am reading to them, and I am taking
them out, and I am telling them about how to
pet a dog and cats not like Russian, real hard
and letting them come up to you and let them
check you out, not the other way around. You talk
(37:12):
about fast plate and read, but you also talk about
teaching them from childbirth. That was important because I always
tell people, I've told Rachel and Carol this that everybody
should be a mother, not everybody should have kids and
be married, because they can't take care of themselves sometimes
and they don't know how to do that with others.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
So when other people come in.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
And take care of these people, what say you about
going back to the basis, because we need stuff. I'm
reading about my friends who work for NPR and PBS,
and they're losing their jobs. And this is where a
lot of us learn from Sesamestree and Electric Company. For
all those that are a little bit older, that's where
we learn these things.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Yes, yeah, it's really it is.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
The problem is what happens in the school setting is
they just even if the kids don't have the baseline skills,
they just keep pushing forward and forward and forward. And
like I said that, and then when I first spoke,
there's a huge gap. So I don't really understand that psychology.
But because you're just selling them up for failure, they
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don't if you can't add like let's see, you just
can't do a you know, a five plus five equation, right,
You're not going to be able to do triple digit
if you can't do the simple one. Right. I don't
know where this logic is with the district in the
sense that it's called social promotion. And so what happens
is a lot of the kids, unfortunately, by third grade
(38:39):
is a key point, a keeper thattor of a child's
future success. So what happens, from my experience, a lot
of kids get labeled at that point that they're learning disabled,
or they're ADHD or other health impaired, these labels because
they're not keeping up in the classroom. And then another
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factor is the fact that if they're not even to
keep up in the classroom, they get very frustrated. Then
they're they're acting out behaviors and it's a whole they
disrupt home in school and it's a whole fictious psycho. So,
so to catch them between this birth and five period,
and I'm not saying that you have to be with
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this child, and you know Big Bread.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Is like an encyclopedia every day, right, You.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Just have to expose them to fun activities so they
know the booka but they so they can communicate.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
With their friends about you know, I'm doing emotion thing
with the kids this summer.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
And the mom I saw today, she said, wow, you
have so many fun supplies, I said.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
She said she had a previous.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Therapist who brought her son in his office his therapy room. No,
we did.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Let's talk about the furniture in the room.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I said, what that hared to me? I have teens
right now. I'm doing an ocean theme. I have, you know,
as many animals as I can have. It's all about
the visuals. Talking about them rolled so much fun. That's
why I love it because it's also stimulating for me.
So I want to channel my energy in a fun
way and be a mirroreds them.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
So that's what it's. It's just come up with something, right,
you just pretend, oh, I see that, and I'm going
to start looking for it.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
So yeah, So it's just tapping into children's imagination, making
learn fun in education, making learning fun at the same time.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
You know, it's an interesting Joanne, because several years ago,
like many years ago, I did brain development research and
it was the kids that went on to have the
highest IQ's and were members of MENSA, which is a
high a Q society. We're the ones that had the
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most imaginary play when they were young. So I really
love what you're saying about the visuals, the interaction, the
role play. But I specifically have a question because I've
got new grand babies and one of the things that
was brought to our attention was potential for a prenactomy
where they are you familiar with that, where the the
(41:11):
nerve that goes that attaches to the after coming out
with their being born, where that that nerve that goes
down the whole entire body.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I was so blown away, Rachel, you you know.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
About that that it's shortened and tightened, and they actually
think it may have something to do with the foll
light that were given. But anyway, they're starting to see
this and so babies now are being recommended to have
it clipped in order to be able to latch properly
(41:50):
and able to have appropriate language development.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
With her little little boy, they sniffed the front so
he could latch onto the baby bottle.
Speaker 12 (42:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
So, I mean, I don't it sounds I'm not exposed
to little baby babies so so, but I usually work
with the kids durting like eighteen months and going forward.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
But she did tell me about that experience. But the
other other have a fregulum below.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Your tongue, and I know the kids sometimes get that
snip because their tongue tied is if that's their articulation.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
But I did some research on it and it.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Said that sometimes that snipping will work and sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
So sometimes you're better off.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Just waiting till you know, they grow a little older
to see how they're you know, speaking skills.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Sound like Yeah, wondering.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
How that affects their language development, you know, if they
if that's I'm diagnosed or not caught. And then here
they are entering school and they've got this issue.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
So right right, so I wish I could elaborate. I
don't have let the baby.
Speaker 11 (42:57):
So yeah, Cooper went through that and we didn't. I
didn't get it clipped, but they suggested, and sure enough,
he does have a few or he struggled, but now
he's going into fourth grade. And it's funny how just
like you said, around third grade they start to work
these things out with everything, and yeah, it's it's kind
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of resolving itself.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
They got a couple of minutes left. Howard used to
deal with a lot of kids.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I'm not sure if you're stole in contact with them,
but it was interesting and fascinating what you used to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
And there are social skills.
Speaker 8 (43:33):
Well, I worked in mentally challenged kids, so it's a
little different. I mean I had one boy that was
a teenage boy and he couldn't even say daddy. I mean,
he learned my name and then when his father came
to see him, he I said Howard, and he.
Speaker 9 (43:49):
Said his name, and then it's dead.
Speaker 8 (43:51):
Did that and he didn't say dead, And that kind
of upset me that he could say my name but
he couldn't say dead. It was the very first words
that any cow said his mom or dad, So it
was kind of touching.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Hey, we got a couple of minutes off. Hey, Evan
talk about this when the dogs are on the red carpet.
The wolf dogs had I had, I had some pictures
of them. Were they scared of people? Beat with the
lights on that because the trainers took them away? And
I didn't know why they did that. Can you explain
that to me?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Because yeah, people were there.
Speaker 13 (44:23):
So I think I think there's a fine line between
bringing like awareness and overexposing or overstimulating the animals and
the animals that they brought. Like I said, they have
twenty two Wolve Slash wolf dogs and.
Speaker 9 (44:39):
Out of those twenty two, they have two of them.
Speaker 13 (44:41):
That are ambassadors that they bring with them to schools
for educational purposes, to different seminars.
Speaker 9 (44:48):
So the ones that they brought were.
Speaker 13 (44:50):
The ambassadors that are used to being around people there,
used to be on stage with lights and microphones and
all that. With that said, a red carpet is a
little bit different. So we brought them onto the carpet
for the pictures, but we did not want them to
be going down the line of Q and A's, you know,
because similarly, like we were talking about kind of talking
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about tying in with Joanne and Carol, we're talking about
as well. You talk about kids, and kids learn language
and they learn how to communicate.
Speaker 9 (45:20):
Right with dogs, they don't. They're not able to.
Speaker 13 (45:22):
Tell you, you know, and dog can't tell Matt, hey my
stomach hurts, I don't like this food. You have to
look for the reactions of like a rash or they
stop eating the food or in their stool or whatever
the case is.
Speaker 9 (45:35):
So I think really.
Speaker 13 (45:36):
Reading their behavior from a visual standpoint, And.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
The reason why I asked that I was, you know,
sometimes people are really stupid. On red Carbone, I could
just see someone being dumb reaching over there wanting to
pet it, and that wolf dog going crowd. No it
didn't happen, but yeah, weird sometimes.
Speaker 9 (45:56):
Yeah people.
Speaker 13 (45:57):
It was definitely my first Brad Pitt moment and going
on a harpen being sworn by paparazzi.
Speaker 9 (46:02):
But I will say I filmed a lot of stuff
that didn't.
Speaker 13 (46:05):
Make the movie, and a lot of the stuff I
did film is they have a kid's program where kids
went to go be with the wolf dogs.
Speaker 9 (46:12):
They were helping clean the cages. They want them to
hike with the wolf dogs.
Speaker 13 (46:16):
So like, they are around a lot of people, and
you kind of treat them like hats if you will.
So when you're in the enclosure with them or bring
them a hike, you don't like go up and start
rubbing their faces like a dog. You just let them
come up to you and sniff you and kind of
assess that and then if they're interested. You know, I've
had them come up and lick my face before, but
I've also had it where they don't mind me and
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they just do.
Speaker 9 (46:37):
Their own business.
Speaker 13 (46:38):
So sometimes you get lucky and you get a wolf kiss,
and sometimes you don't.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Hey give me social media real quick, Evan.
Speaker 13 (46:45):
Yeah, you can find Fulsom's runs in Instagram at Fulson
Fulsom's Run. You can find mine at Evan Morden Film
and then if you look up Blind to You Productions,
you can find my company as well.
Speaker 9 (46:57):
And then just real quick for the Sanctuary.
Speaker 13 (46:59):
It's APEX Protection project on social media on TikTok it's
Apex Wolves, so for the young folks out there, you
could find that.
Speaker 6 (47:10):
So I just want to say, Evan, I have a
little bout hotel down in southern Chile. We run retreat
but we've featured Audubon Society, NAT Photo National Geographics, so
that you know you being a part of National Geographic.
If you ever want to come down and visit Patagonia,
(47:32):
you know, just get in contact. And I would love
for you guys to reach out on I'm an oldie,
but I'm on all the socials, so yeah.
Speaker 9 (47:44):
I'd love to connect with you.
Speaker 13 (47:45):
I haven't been a Patagonia before since on my my
list of places to go, so we could get each
other's into AFT.
Speaker 6 (47:51):
Awesome for all of you.
Speaker 5 (47:55):
So my socials okay, so.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Jojo G ten twenty for Instagram, talk Playing Read with Me,
Mommy Facebook, my website, talkplanread dot com and I think
that's about I don't know, LinkedIn by Heart, but is that?
Speaker 2 (48:14):
And how can they get your book? Which is most important?
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Okay, So here's two things. My books are available at
Amazon dot com. And then also I have a Patreon
page which was set up for donations. So then if
people donate, then I can send some books out to families,
so that I guess it's Joanne Grandmack, Patreon, Joan graandmic
something like that or you know what, I got it,
(48:38):
it's top playing Read there you go. Yeah, So it's
a great it's a great way to get these resources
out to the community.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
So so thank you.
Speaker 11 (48:47):
Rachel, Rachel Roberts, recipes and ig and Facebook is Rachel
and Robert, I have Coffee Talk in the.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Morning and Matt, you get the last word on ch pap.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (49:00):
Our Instagram is at official chef Pop and all the
all the information really for chef pop is at chefpod
dot com. Or you can google dog food Maker. We're
all across page one on there. And our app is available.
Our nutrition app is available for free on chefpod dot com.
If you click on the nutrition nutrition app, you can
(49:21):
sign up for a free account and get all the
information you want on dog nutrition. We don't even have
to have one of our machines to use it.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
And three movies just for anybody who might be watching
Let's See One's Ballad with Maggie Q on Prime Video
or AMC Prime owned AMC now tick of James Bond,
a very good ten part series which is streaming now.
A new one just came out which is excellent, and
that has been thinking about Ed Sullivan. So if you
(49:51):
think of any variety show, Ed Sulliman is the granddaddy
of them all. So everybody debuted on the show, the Beatles, Elvis,
the supp Reams, anybody from Motown.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
It's called the Untold Story of Ed Sullivan.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Sunday's best when you can get one hundred and twenty
five million watching on a Sunday night and heard of numbers,
but your average was between thirty five and fifty million
on a Sunday night. Those numbers, they can't be duplicated.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
So that's that.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
And then let's see the last one. Oh, go to
your theaters and see F one in Imax. Brad Pitt
film on F one Racing is really really good. So everybody,
thank you for Kevin. It's never easy to make these
things work. On things in general, you want to say something.
Speaker 6 (50:30):
Yeah, speak of your numbers. Brian, looking at over eight
hundred million views now, is.
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That right, County?
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Whether it's Brian Sebastian, movie reviews more, and if it's Tuesday.
First of all, you never know if you're going to
have good Internet. You never know what's going to be happening,
especially during a retrograde. For those of us not believe
in communication and computer problems, it does happen and it
does exist. So we are live. This is show number
one hundred and sixty two live shows in a row,
going strong, still live on Talk for Media, KHD Radio,
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Talk for TVs, streaming out over one hundred outlets around
the world right now and I two two four seven
out of Franklin, Tennessee. So this show is interesting and
also special, just like every show is special. It's an
honor to have everybody come on when everybody can, because
I take it very seriously, and so I know I
co host you too, because they're always asking Carol and
Rachel who's on Tuesday. So I always make sure I
(01:53):
send them stuff so that they have an idea. And
then so this young lady, Joe Anne, she reached out
to me probably three four months ago. I knew she
was coming on, but totally forgot that she was coming on.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So we added her at last minute.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And then I said, well, that's not you, that's my
fault because I forgot how to reach her. And then
so this other guy, Evan, I found his film, you know,
called Fulson's Run about wolf dogs, and I said, oh,
I got to have him.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
How do I squeeze him in? And then I said, oh,
I can make this happen.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And then with Matt Well, I knew what Matt was
coming on because he's been scheduled for about three and
a half four months. I said, this will work some
kind of crazy way, like we always do. So it's
about dogs, it's about children, it's about some of it
maybe about cooking, some of it maybe about neuro coaching,
you know, his interior designing and art, a little bit
about fitness, but it all works, and that's the more
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movie reviews and more.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So Evan, I want to start with you.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know, he's a director, he's an owner at that
Blind View Productions. He creates and captivates great content for TV,
film and other brands. But I really liked Fulson's run.
We're gonna show a trailer of this one a little bit.
I can't wait to talk to him because I found
him at Dances with Wolves Los Angeles. And when you
see wolf dogs in person, I thought I wanted one
(03:10):
until I saw how big they were and I said,
I don't think I could have it that way. So
that'll be interesting in the see And then you know
he's the CEO, Matt. I know you're gonna be a
little bit glitchy. I know it, so I'm prepared for it.
But we're gonna work with what we have with you.
And so when you're that CEO and that founder of
Shep Paul and that too so umbrella company, Invasion Pet Products,
(03:34):
I love that he is that let's see, mechanical engineer.
He's that inventor, so I can only imagine how his
brain works. But when you can create great products for dogs,
that's important, really really important, And I think there's some
CBD probably in there. But he's got a bunch of
patents too, so Matt Durell. So that's a great thing,
(03:54):
Joe Anne. So, Joeann, anytime we have kids in the
future of kids, I'm all about that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'm all about learning.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You know, without the future, they said without the past,
there is no future, and it goes the other way around.
Now everything is like a circle, unfortunately. So that's speech pathologists,
that award winning author. I really want to see her
books go someplace, you know, talk, play and read that
book series. I really think something can happen with that.
(04:21):
But when you want to help those kids, you know,
from birth on their their language and literary square skills,
I think that's really really important.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Joanne.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I got to start with you because that's really in
talk and talk about what to do and why kids
of today are important. And when I think of this,
I think of Cooper, you know, Rachel's son.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Talk about that, Joeann.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
All right, well I'll just well, thank you so much
for having me here. I'm really honored, so thank you
so much. It's nice to feed everybody.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
So let's see.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I'm a speech language pathologist advocate for early literacy and
language show the facilitator and so I, let's see just
a little reference. I started working in the city years
ago with the kids in the lower performing school, and
so what was happening was I.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Was working there, and I also was working after school.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
In the suburb Suburbinaria suburban area and then the city schools.
But the commons nominator was with the parents after school
was how can I get my kids to talk? But
in school. While I'm in the school in the city,
there wasn't a lot.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Of parent involvement.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
So then we have these heavy caseloads and you know,
you're always seeing these kids twice a week, three times
a week.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Assembly spiel drips everything in our fears. You just do
the best you can.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
So I thought that I could come up with some
resources to help the parents, right, because they're coming to school. Gosh,
just for example, you have six graders that are reading
on our first grade level.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I mean that's a huge gap, right, So.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
You can see that when they're coming into school, they
don't have the appropriate language skills that they should have
gotten when they're during that birthday five period, which is
a crucial period for language development because.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
The syneptic connections that are being made. And the more
the input you have, the more.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Interactions, the more the life experiences you have, the more
your brain to grow.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And eighty percent of the brain is developed by age three,
so you have adverse conditions in the environment.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
You know, the black limited language, limited experience is out
of place Roland once you go to kindergarten.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And the problem with that is kids are expected to
be reading and writing. They're learning the fundamentals of reading
and writing, but they have they should be reading at
the end of kid When I went to Camen, I.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Don't think we are at that point. I think we
started in first grade. But it's a whole different body.
Now I work with pre kitkids too. Right now I
don't work in the city anymore, but that's just a
reference point that I was telling you about.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
But presently I work in the.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Pre k part time and the pre k schools and
it's the same thing.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
These kids are coming.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
In with a lot of limited language and respected to
find letters, lend sounds to form words during phonemic awareness activities,
letter recognition tests, letter sound recognition tests. It's just a
lot for them. And if they don't have that birth
year three period.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Locked in it.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It's just there's so many kids in the classroom and
now with this extra, a new layer that I shouldn't
say extra, a new layer of children coming from different
different countries.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
They don't even.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Speak English, so you have that layer on top of
kids that are just not exposed to language early on.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So that's why I created these books Toughli and Ruth.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Me Mommy, Toughley and Ruth Me Daddy to get the
message out there. Because also I have this new program
called the behind cycle.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Basically the catchphrases.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Being behind, falling behind, and staying behind, and so fundamentally
it just means children are not reading at their expected
age and grade level because they can't keep up with
the educational.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Demands because they're so far behind.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
So we want to reverse the cycle and get them reading,
and we want them to achieve that afterdomic success.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Because you know what I wrote. Do have another minute? Okay?
I did a case study with the kid in school
years ago. Right came into third grade at.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
My school and he was the sweetest boy. So I
took him on a case or I took him out
after school. He was at my speech and Language caselow.
Reading six words minute is not reading so at that point.
So I had him for a year and at the
end of that year he was reading one hundred ords
a minute.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
All I did was go out and buy this book
how the teacher.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Child how to read one hundred easy lessons, And we
read and we read and we read. And so kids
at the end of the third grade are expected read
one hundred and fourteen words per minute.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And he was, you know, unfortunately he was, you know,
in the poverty situation. But the point is, these kids
can read. Somebody needs to read with them and frequently read,
especially when they're you know, learning at a slower rate.
So I have another story, but it's the same scenario.
It was EML students, same thing. He came in with
zero English and the first word, the first word, well,
(09:26):
how we say Jojo right out having company missed Jojo
because I wasn't expecting the same as Gramblin. So he
said Jojo, and I said, oh my god, there's a
breakthrough here. And then he was so sweet. It took
him under my wing and exposed him to the same
book and he was reading writing it was and he
was in sixth grade. So I guess the overall moral
(09:46):
of the story is that these kids can read, they
just need to have somebody read with them option regularly.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
It's but it's a vicious cycle. They get labeled. They
don't need to be labeled, they just need to read
with them.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, so we got to pick back on Carol on this,
followed by racer Carol, tell you are and then THATTT
We're coming to you because I know you got a
slight delay dad, Carol.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Yeah, lovely to hear from you, Joanne. I want to
just give a shout out to Better Vision for Children
and Easy Way Network, and also to Heather Mariana because
I am trying out some of her amazing beauty kitchen stuff.
So awesome. Okay, I'm Carol Register. I am the creator
(10:29):
of the Neurowealth Method. What does that mean? I take
female leaders from six figures to seven figures my program,
who's just relaunched. There's a few openings left. Ninety percent
of my current clients have had increase and income within
the first thirty days. So if you're looking to grow
(10:51):
your wealth, jump in with me. It's private invite programs,
so reach out and contact me.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Rachel. Yes, ill who you are.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I'm I'm in Houston, Texas. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
It's hard to write. You're always saying I'm a chef.
Now you got me wanting to say it. When I
started with Brian years ago, that's what we called was
a chef because I had a cooking show. But I
like to say that I'm more into acting or you
know whatever. I have a morning show called Coffee Talks
and you can find that on social media and it's
(11:26):
a lot of fun I do. Yeah, I do modeling
and promos and you know, podcasts and have a lot
of fun with social media.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
She's actually kicking out. She's just pretty. She's in a
mellow mood today.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
How would we tell who you are?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
For?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
By Terry, then Matt will go into you.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
Howard Briggan's Cterior Design like You says, I'm one of
the top thirty five world interior designs.
Speaker 9 (11:50):
I've got my own look called Stacked and Layered.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
I'll be moving to Chattanooga pretty soon and I'm going
to open up a business there.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
Out of so stay tuned for that. That's pretty much it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Terry him.
Speaker 10 (12:05):
I'm Sara Marie. I'm here in southern California. I've been
with Bryan since twenty fourteen. I started with him when
I started competing in fitness competition. So fitness is my
life and my life and my lifestyle. I've been acting
since i've been a little kid. I've been in movies
and ben commercials. I've modeled, I've done everything. That's why
they call me NonStop. I have a day job where
(12:28):
I work in the field of orthopedics with I'm a rat,
but I work with patients as well. Actually, I have
to get off early night because I have to do
an in service at a hospital tonight for the emergency departments.
Speaker 9 (12:41):
That's why I'm in this outfit.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
But I'm really.
Speaker 10 (12:44):
Excited for things to come.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
I've had a.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Journey last couple of years.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
So my mom with de Manchester, has taken a lot
of my time to pass away in January, which I'm
really excited about. But I was opening up a whole
new chapter of my life, which Brian knows, and Brian's
been there with me. So I have a lot of
projects that are going to be finally coming to fruition,
if that makes any sense. But I'm just, you know,
glad to be here. One of the main things that
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gave of Brian Knows. I do the Red Carpet hosting,
which I love Heather's products as well because I've been
using her products since I've been doing her gifting suites.
I have a ton of her stuff for stuff. It
is amazing. It's amazing skincare, amazing makeup.
Speaker 11 (13:25):
So that's me.
Speaker 10 (13:26):
So but again, yeah, I'm gonna have to be coming
going off a little bit early today.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
So Matt, so we can finally get to you because
I wanted to see.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Sometimes the Internet settles down depending what people are, sometimes
not always. Let's talk about who you are because your
product is very very important. Talk about how you started that,
your story and where everything came from.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Beyond.
Speaker 9 (13:46):
Oh, thank you very much. It's great to be here.
Speaker 12 (13:47):
And hopefully our spectrum Internet bandwidth expands while I'm talking.
Hopefully they see this and it's been throttled. Yeah. I
I've formed in pet products twenty years ago and have
just been made pet products and making solutions for my
own dogs when there was when there was nothing out
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there good enough for them and in terms of the
unique problems that they were having. I've just let that
I've let necessity be the guide all the all along.
And then about four years ago I really pivoted into
into dog food and it was it was like it
was it's basically a lifelong quest to find the best
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dog food for my own dogs. But I didn't really
have any any spit. I didn't really have a specific
way to innovate with it with with dog food until
until I realized the possibilities with Chef Pa about four
years ago. And you know, I, uh, it took me
forever to get away from kibble and uh and in
(14:51):
in you know, all the all the the marketing this
behind that. But then you know, and I went to
fresh food, and then I wound up spending I want
to spend over one thousand dollars a month on just
a bulldog and a labrador for fresh food. And then
the bulldog developed allergies and he needed to have he
needed to have like custom diets of fresh food. And
(15:14):
so I, you know, I looked out. I look for all,
there are a lot of companies out there that say
they can do fresh custom diets, but to do that,
anything to realistically do that and to do it affordably,
was was not possible at all. And then at the
same time, one of my best friends was the smartest
person I've ever met, named Derek Barge. He he told
(15:36):
me that he called me and said he had a
great idea for taking our Innovet pet products company and
getting into into the pet food and uh, and he
said he'd explain it to me later, and I thought
we were going to talk the next day, but then
sadly there's a tragedy and uh, he passed away in
a tragic accident. And so I was for about and
that was about three years ago, and I I was
(15:59):
for months. I was thinking what could he have been
talking about, what could that idea have been? And then
one day it just kind of all hit me. It
just it just it's like every all the problems I've
been having with my own dog's food and how it
needs to be customized and how it needs to be affordable,
that you know, it's it's it needs to be at
least the same cost as our own food, and it
(16:20):
really shouldn't be any more. A dog food, a dog's
meal shouldn't be any more expensive than a decent meal
for ourselves. You know, it's the same, it's the same quality.
It should be the same quality, it should be about
the same price. So it kind of it kind of
irked me that all the fresh foods available out there were,
you know, two or three times more expensive than what
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the what the regular ingredients should be. And so that
set me on a quest to UH to find to
make first a machine that could easily let people cook
and mix the food quickly and at a low tempt
so it's not burning off you know, burning off all
the nutrients and UH. And then after that I realized
(17:02):
that like, how do you how do you know what
goes in it? How do you know what if the
dog has enough calories, are enough protein, enough calcium? And
so that's when I started developing a software to UH
calculate the nutritional yield of any recipe and then compare
that to the nutritional needs of dogs. And I have
(17:23):
I went down a big rabbit hole of finding all
the different possible all the different possible UH schools of
thought with nutrition and dogs. And I found that the
the a f c O is the is the main
governing UH body for dog food, or at least they
used to be, and they had they had they had
adjusted their standards to fit commercial big commercial production and
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kibble specifically, and so then so we and so we
realized that making a batch of food to the kibble
standard is pretty easy. That's a it's a it's a
it's it's a it's a low standard. We should go
much further than that, and so we developed our software
to be able to calculate the individual needs of a pet,
(18:07):
not just the overall general needs of dogs and cats
in general, and we launched it. We're coming up on
almost two years since we launched the machine and the software,
and it's taken off like crazy. We're going to be
at super Zoo and the New Product Showcase in about
three weeks, and we're really excited. I mean, with the
kibble industry is like the big big tree, and Chef
(18:30):
Pau is like the small acts. It's ready to just
start chipping away at it.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And that was funny about that is a lot of
my female especially my female friends. I've seen them go
from Trader Joe's whole paycheck and then they go to
another store because it's expensive, and then they this is
just for their dogs. But they were enhancing the dog's life.
And I knew why they would do it. And every
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day they would make it fresh and then sometimes they
put in freezing and stuff. But it did help because
is what a lot of people forget is that dogs
and cats they have all they have allergies. It's like
they're catching things from us now, which is really interesting,
isn't it, Matt and Adam coming to you in a minute.
Speaker 12 (19:10):
Oh yeah, there's there's there's there's dogs that have food
intolerances and food allergies just like we do, and just
the same the same rates of population and everything. And also,
I mean even dogs that don't have allergies and intolerances,
they're being fed. Most of them are being fed the
exact same thing every day, day in and day out,
even if it's even even if it's a fresh food,
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the same meal over and over again is not good.
That's not how that's not how we were ever, That's
not not how we or then were ever designed to
to get their full nutrition. So it's a so we
that's why we're really we're really about having people alternate recipes,
and so we developed over fifty recipes that far exceed
the kibble standard. So for just about every life stage
(19:55):
or condition that a dog is in, we've got a recipe,
a balanced recipe that is ready for that dog. And
we then created our software to be able to easily
adjust those recipes to fine tune them for specific needs.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You know what's interesting about that? And yeah, Rebell, you
read my mind, heavan, which goes into your film. Tell
them who you are and what you've created this great
short film that I like that I've been telling everybody
around the world about.
Speaker 13 (20:23):
Well, thank you so much, Brian, and happy to be
here with all of you talented people. My name's Evin Mornon.
I started Blind View Productions back in twenty twenty two.
I used to work at National Geographic on a show
called Life Below Zero. Ever since I was a kid,
I wanted to be the next Steve Ierrowin, but I
kind of fell in love.
Speaker 9 (20:40):
With the camera, so I never put that down.
Speaker 13 (20:43):
And while I was working at National Geographic, on the side,
I would do different jobs that came up as a freelancer,
and I was working at tech events. Someone got my information.
In a couple weeks later, I got invited to a wolfhike.
Didn't really know. I always thought wolves or beautiful animals.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
I grew up with dogs.
Speaker 13 (21:02):
You probably saw my dog going by at some point
and I went on this hike just outside of Los
Angeles with APEX Protection Project. You could find them at
Apex Protection Project on Instagram or apex Wolves on picktok pics.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
You have a pretty big tatok following. And I just.
Speaker 13 (21:21):
Really didn't know anything about wolf dogs and the idea
that people were breeding wolves and dogs together selling them
as pets. When we have a lot of dogs being
euthanized in shelters and then we have wolves, which are
a political abortion topic, if you will, across the country.
I wanted to highlight wolf dogs and from the work
that APEX does and made a short film about that.
(21:44):
I've been working on a feature film called War on Wolves,
and I have shot thirty four.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
Days of that so far.
Speaker 13 (21:51):
But self funding only gets you so far, so we're
trying to get the final push.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Now let's take a look at because it's a great film.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
Thank you. Our community is not safe if they're not.
Speaker 12 (22:02):
Going to be safe until these animals are banned from
our area.
Speaker 13 (22:07):
In the world, is there a place for wolf dogs?
Speaker 14 (22:11):
The unfortunate thing about wolf dogs is they're kind of
stuck in two worlds. They're not necessarily a full wolf,
and they're not necessarily a dog.
Speaker 12 (22:20):
It's up for debate tonight whether wolf dogs are pets
or threats.
Speaker 14 (22:25):
In some moments they can behave perfectly, and in other
moments they've got that wildness still in them becomes.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Go go go go ah.
Speaker 14 (22:38):
Shit, if we're going to play god, that's probably.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Not a good thing.
Speaker 14 (22:50):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
You know, if Evan, how how did you how did
you want to shift the publics around this? And like
when did this idea really You know, you mentioned your hike,
but is that really where the idea hit you too,
or when did it hit you to just start bringing
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awareness about this.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (23:13):
So as a filmmaker, my first passion always is narrative filmmaking,
and I love writing scripts and shooting stuff like that.
But I always, like I said, I always grew up
around animals. And when I wanted this hike, I saw
Paul and Steve, who are the founders of APEX. Right now,
they have about twenty two wolf dogs, so you can
imagine that's a lot of work and takes a lot
of volunteers. And I saw how much these animals love
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pauland and Steve, as well as how much the volunteers
love them as well. It's a lot of work to
take care of these animals. As Matt I'm sure he
knows as a dog owner, it's a lot of work
to take care of dogs, let alone wolf dogs, and yeah,
talking to them, I really wanted to make a film
about them, but also bigger picture about wolf dogs, which
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right now they're legal in thirty seven states in the
country to breed and sell. Some of that ranges from
whether the state has grandfathered in or you know, there's
different variables to that, but overall, thirty seven states where
you can own a wolf dog. And I just thought,
we have so many dogs that are being, like I said, euthanize.
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The shelters are overcrowded, and then wolves right now are
facing a really difficult time politically, and it's unfortunate. And
I don't want to get two down the rabbit hole
about my feature film, but it's unfortunate that when people
think of wolves, they think of Yellowstone. And I say
that because Yellowstone is such a success, which is amazing,
but they don't really look at these other recoveries that
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didn't go as well, where social tolerance isn't accepted, and
it kind of gets tossed under the rug, if you will.
So I just really wanted to tell story wolf dogs
and kind of I think, if you think of like
a sixteen year old kid, how cool does it sound
to own a piece of.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
The wild and have a wolf dog?
Speaker 13 (24:58):
Now that I'm in my thirties, I never had one,
but now that I'm in my thirties, and like that
sounds like a lot of work.
Speaker 9 (25:03):
And I've got two dogs, and I've already got my
hands full.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
I'm real quick there, and then I have to go
to do my thing. But this is clearly interesting to me.
I just kind of what is kind of the temperament
of these dogs, because it sounds like they might have
kind of the same kind.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Of am of like a pit bull.
Speaker 10 (25:24):
I mean, is it kind of like some of them
like have like a more like cause you know, pit bull,
Some of them are aggressive, some of aren't. Has to
do with a lot of times the owner who breeds
them and have their bread. I just was kind of curious,
is there any correlation, you know, to that?
Speaker 13 (25:38):
So I won't get to into like the pit bull
direct correlation, But when it comes to wolf dogs, they
range in content, so there's low content, mid content, high content,
depending what percentage of wolf they are, because what they
usually do is they breed a wolf and a dog
and then they start reading wolf dogs together.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
So then the.
Speaker 13 (25:57):
Percentage theories when you mix a wild animal and a
domestic animal, just because it's a certain percentage, you don't
know which percentage that is of what traits right. So
from a psychological standpoint, you know you might have a
low content wolf dog that acts more wolfy than a
mid content or high content. So it kind of is
a little bit unpredictable, and I think a lot of
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times people bite off more than they can chew.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
You get an animal and as a puppy, it might
be kind of easy.
Speaker 13 (26:24):
And if you've seen I don't want to say, I
don't want to compare this to chimp crazy, but definitely not.
But if you've seen chimp crazy, it's like at a
certain point when an animal gets older, it starts to
mature and you start seeing behaviors that are harder to
control or domesticate. Because if you end up trying to
buy a domestic pet that's part wild and it doesn't
act like a normal dog, it's hard to put those
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expectations on something that doesn't have that same DNA makeup.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
One more question though about this, because.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
As far as the dog like, is there another like
what what breed? Is there a breed that they are
usually with or is it just random or yeah?
Speaker 13 (27:05):
So, actually, wolf dogs started in the seventeen hundreds in England.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
The first time is recorded with a Pomeranian.
Speaker 13 (27:13):
The Pomeranian used to be a larger dog that was
used for sled dogs and working working dogs. They ended
up breeding them down because one of the queens back
then wanted to make them smaller dogs. But the point
being is people thought they would make good guard dogs
or good working dogs. But the thing is wolves are
very shy and afraid of people. You can imagine we're
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talking thousands of years of like you know, seeing humans, hunts,
and not all of them became dogs. So they ended
up not being good work dogs because they were so afraid.
A lot of the times when I've gone in to
film wolves and places I've been around the country as
well as wolf dogs, a lot of times they would
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hide in the corner and they're are you afraid?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Wow?
Speaker 13 (28:01):
So what Apex does and Paul and Steve do is
one they get calls all the time because people are
either going to get them euthanized or they don't know
what to do with them and trying to find a
new home. And as you can imagine, it's incredibly difficult
to find a home for a wolf dog, let alone
a regular dog, right, but a wolf dog you need
a lot of space. You need kind of like a ranch.
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You need someone that has endless time to train them
and work with them, which you know, I don't know
anyone off the top of my head that has that.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Hey, no, Evan, I'm mad.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I'm gonna come to you a minute, because I gotta
pick your inventor Greene. Evan, do you have a great
line in the movie where no matter what, it's still
a wolf and a dog and it's in the middle
of that and it really doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
You don't know what you're going to get.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
And then once I saw it on the red carpet,
I said, Oh, that would be great to have one
of these.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Until I saw it on the red carpet how big
it was.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, And then I said, oh, you're going to have
to spend a lot of time, and I don't know,
because I want to take my dog with me. That's
why I don't have it, but I also know I
can't take it Australia or Hawaii because it'll be kennel
for a couple months and I don't want that. And
then I said I won't be getting a wolf dog
because those Yeah, so.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
It's interesting the film.
Speaker 13 (29:15):
We don't get too into this in the film, but
they're one of the wolf dogs ends up in a
ranch and the person ends up helping take care of it.
Actually works with wild horses and wild horses. As you
can imagine, people look at horses and think that's amazing.
I have an apartment, so definitely can't have a horse here.
But yeah, but getting a wild horse and making that
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domestic is like difficult, and I think when people will
get a wolf dog, there are some similarities to that
with again just the expectations of something versus the reality
of what you have and the amount of time it
takes to work on it. You know a lot of
people they want to get a classic car, right Like
I would love a classic car, but.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
I'm not a mechanic and I don't know how to work.
It's good analogy, so yeah, he.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I gotta pick your inventor and brain and in the
patent person in you.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
So, what would you make for a wolf dog?
Speaker 12 (30:07):
Well, I mean that's all gonna depend on how on
the set, on the setting really, you know, if if
if it's a pure, if it's a if it's a
full wolf dog, they should probably be hunting. They should
probably be eating eating raw, you know, like like what
they're used to. But the more the more of an
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the more you get into an urban setting, the less
realistic and the more problematic that becomes. There's a like,
the the whole raw diet thing is there's a there's
a lot of there's a lot of credibility behind it,
but there's a lot of problems there too. In the wild,
in a very rural setting, raw feeding makes total sense.
(30:52):
Number one, you're not gonna you're out in in a
rural setting, you're not gonna have to worry about uh
like equal lie and and and things like that. And
then also with a with a with a regular wolf,
their their jaw structure is designed for chewing bones and
that's the that's the way that the dogs get calcium,
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and calcium is like the number one thing that's easy
to become nutritional, nutritionally deficient in for for dogs. Now,
my my lab and my bulldog are good examples here.
My labrador has a jaw structure to structure that's very
similar to wolves. He could survive for a while, for
(31:37):
at least a while in the wild. He would be
able to hunt some things, so you know, he he
he could process bones. However, my bulldog, his jaw structure
has been uh, basically forced evolved by man, and his
jaw structure is not he could never survive in the wild.
He could have survived twenty minutes in the wild. His
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jaw structure has been evolved to survive a living room
and you know, in behind and be fed stuff. So
so yeah, it's all uh, it's all on ah, it's
all on a spectrum. If you once you're once you
you as far as feeding a wolf or a wolf hybrid,
once you get away from feeding them, from letting them hunt,
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or actually feeding them raw wild food. Now you're bringing
in you you're gonna naturally have to bring in food
from the overall food supply from you know, the our
domestic food supply. The domestic food supply is you have
to treat it. You have to treat anything raw in
the domestic food supply, even even let even vegetables, you
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have to treat it as possibly have to do.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
Yeah, did I cut out there?
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Hope not.
Speaker 9 (32:47):
But anyway, the.
Speaker 12 (32:50):
Food coming from the domestic food supply mm hmm.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (32:55):
Yeah, So if you're getting anything from grocery stores, you
gotta assume you gotta you gotta cook it or am
I still connected there?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
We got we I lost yet cooking.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
It's just glitching a little, isn't it.
Speaker 12 (33:09):
Oh No, not a good not a good spectrum.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Cable, matt if if if I could reiterate what you
were saying. You know, when you're in the commercial food
supply where things are being shipped across the country and
so forth, you're going to have to look at things
like E. Coli and potential pathogens that have gotten into
the food supply that aren't necessarily the case. When a
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dog is eating wild in the rural.
Speaker 12 (33:41):
Areas exactly, exactly, Yeah, awesome, and yeah, and then when
when when most dogs don't have the wolf like jaw structure,
so they're not capable of actually chewing and eating and
processing bones to the point where they're not going to
get bone, where they're not going to get bone bone
splinters and risk apperforated it intestines and that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
I know with my dog down in Chile, he's a
chinok and you know, really strong, amazing dog. But when
he could no longer hunt and we had to start
feeding him commercial food, he developed arthritis and the things
that humans have problems with, and so we were really
(34:25):
looking for ways to provide him a fresh diet and
a raw diet that was saved for him. Knowing like
we couldn't give him chicken bones because chicken bones were
too soft, they would break and those would damage his insights.
Like what you're saying. So what you've developed here with
this machine, I mean, this is amazing. It's life saving
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for these animals.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 12 (34:49):
Yeah. We're taking the concept of raw food, cooking of
raw food and just cooking it to the minimum temperature
as quick as possible, just to soften things so that
there they become digestible, like carrots and and sweet potatoes
in that and then just enough to kill off all
the all the typical bacteria and pathogens that are out
(35:10):
there and just streamline it real fast. And then for
most uh, for for most dogs, the the calcium supply
we're getting it from powderized eggshells. That's the that's what
we recomm that's what that's what we include to go
along with our machine, and that's what we recommend people.
People do you know my my lab if he if
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he's ever fed bones, he can chew him, he can,
he can, he can process them for the most part,
and even even crushed eggshells he could. The stomach acid
breaks that down and softens it. But this lab is
so incredibly athletics, running, running and jumping all the time
that it doesn't heat. The food doesn't stay in in
(35:54):
the stomach acid long enough for for it to break down.
It's moved. He's moving it all around in there, and
so he gets uh, he gets uh, he gets little
cuts you know in his stuff. He gets like a
little bit of blood in uh in a in a
stool with the if if it's not fully powderized. And
so that's kind of something where it's different than the
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needs the needs of of really super athletic modern dogs
might be might be different than in than a wolf
in the wild, because I mean, I doubt that a
wolf in a wild is is uh stimulated with things
all day long, with activities and and things like that
all day long. So I think it's possible that there's
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some dogs like my lab whose calorie needs are much
higher than what what his wolf ancestors would have had
in the wild.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You know, it's interesting about that, speaking of wild things. Children. Uh,
joe An, Uh, you know, I was I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I was talking to h a couple of people today
because one of the things why I'm in North Carolina
is helping take care of kids that are not mine.
But I am reading to them, and I am taking
them out, and I am telling them about how to
pet a dog and cats not like Russian, real hard
and letting them come up to you and let them
check you out, not the other way around. You talk
(37:12):
about fast plate and read, but you also talk about
teaching them from childbirth. That was important because I always
tell people, I've told Rachel and Carol this that everybody
should be a mother, not everybody should have kids and
be married, because they can't take care of themselves sometimes
and they don't know how to do that with others.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
So when other people come in.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
And take care of these people, what say you about
going back to the basis, because we need stuff. I'm
reading about my friends who work for NPR and PBS,
and they're losing their jobs. And this is where a
lot of us learn from Sesamestree and Electric Company. For
all those that are a little bit older, that's where
we learn these things.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Yes, yeah, it's really it is.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
The problem is what happens in the school setting is
they just even if the kids don't have the baseline skills,
they just keep pushing forward and forward and forward. And
like I said that, and then when I first spoke,
there's a huge gap. So I don't really understand that psychology.
But because you're just selling them up for failure, they
(38:17):
don't if you can't add like let's see, you just
can't do a you know, a five plus five equation, right,
You're not going to be able to do triple digit
if you can't do the simple one. Right. I don't
know where this logic is with the district in the
sense that it's called social promotion. And so what happens
is a lot of the kids, unfortunately, by third grade
(38:39):
is a key point, a keeper thattor of a child's
future success. So what happens, from my experience, a lot
of kids get labeled at that point that they're learning disabled,
or they're ADHD or other health impaired, these labels because
they're not keeping up in the classroom. And then another
(39:00):
factor is the fact that if they're not even to
keep up in the classroom, they get very frustrated. Then
they're they're acting out behaviors and it's a whole they
disrupt home in school and it's a whole fictious psycho. So,
so to catch them between this birth and five period,
and I'm not saying that you have to be with
(39:21):
this child, and you know Big Bread.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Is like an encyclopedia every day, right, You.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Just have to expose them to fun activities so they
know the booka but they so they can communicate.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
With their friends about you know, I'm doing emotion thing
with the kids this summer.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
And the mom I saw today, she said, wow, you
have so many fun supplies, I said.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
She said she had a previous.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Therapist who brought her son in his office his therapy room. No,
we did.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Let's talk about the furniture in the room.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I said, what that hared to me? I have teens
right now. I'm doing an ocean theme. I have, you know,
as many animals as I can have. It's all about
the visuals. Talking about them rolled so much fun. That's
why I love it because it's also stimulating for me.
So I want to channel my energy in a fun
way and be a mirroreds them.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
So that's what it's. It's just come up with something, right,
you just pretend, oh, I see that, and I'm going
to start looking for it.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
So yeah, So it's just tapping into children's imagination, making
learn fun in education, making learning fun at the same time.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
You know, it's an interesting Joanne, because several years ago,
like many years ago, I did brain development research and
it was the kids that went on to have the
highest IQ's and were members of MENSA, which is a
high a Q society. We're the ones that had the
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most imaginary play when they were young. So I really
love what you're saying about the visuals, the interaction, the
role play. But I specifically have a question because I've
got new grand babies and one of the things that
was brought to our attention was potential for a prenactomy
where they are you familiar with that, where the the
(41:11):
nerve that goes that attaches to the after coming out
with their being born, where that that nerve that goes
down the whole entire body.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I was so blown away, Rachel, you you know.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
About that that it's shortened and tightened, and they actually
think it may have something to do with the foll
light that were given. But anyway, they're starting to see
this and so babies now are being recommended to have
it clipped in order to be able to latch properly
(41:50):
and able to have appropriate language development.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
With her little little boy, they sniffed the front so
he could latch onto the baby bottle.
Speaker 12 (42:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
So, I mean, I don't it sounds I'm not exposed
to little baby babies so so, but I usually work
with the kids durting like eighteen months and going forward.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
But she did tell me about that experience. But the
other other have a fregulum below.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Your tongue, and I know the kids sometimes get that
snip because their tongue tied is if that's their articulation.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
But I did some research on it and it.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Said that sometimes that snipping will work and sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
So sometimes you're better off.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Just waiting till you know, they grow a little older
to see how they're you know, speaking skills.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Sound like Yeah, wondering.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
How that affects their language development, you know, if they
if that's I'm diagnosed or not caught. And then here
they are entering school and they've got this issue.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
So right right, so I wish I could elaborate. I
don't have let the baby.
Speaker 11 (42:57):
So yeah, Cooper went through that and we didn't. I
didn't get it clipped, but they suggested, and sure enough,
he does have a few or he struggled, but now
he's going into fourth grade. And it's funny how just
like you said, around third grade they start to work
these things out with everything, and yeah, it's it's kind
(43:20):
of resolving itself.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
They got a couple of minutes left. Howard used to
deal with a lot of kids.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I'm not sure if you're stole in contact with them,
but it was interesting and fascinating what you used to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
And there are social skills.
Speaker 8 (43:33):
Well, I worked in mentally challenged kids, so it's a
little different. I mean I had one boy that was
a teenage boy and he couldn't even say daddy. I mean,
he learned my name and then when his father came
to see him, he I said Howard, and he.
Speaker 9 (43:49):
Said his name, and then it's dead.
Speaker 8 (43:51):
Did that and he didn't say dead, And that kind
of upset me that he could say my name but
he couldn't say dead. It was the very first words
that any cow said his mom or dad, So it
was kind of touching.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Hey, we got a couple of minutes off. Hey, Evan
talk about this when the dogs are on the red carpet.
The wolf dogs had I had, I had some pictures
of them. Were they scared of people? Beat with the
lights on that because the trainers took them away? And
I didn't know why they did that. Can you explain
that to me?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Because yeah, people were there.
Speaker 13 (44:23):
So I think I think there's a fine line between
bringing like awareness and overexposing or overstimulating the animals and
the animals that they brought. Like I said, they have
twenty two Wolve Slash wolf dogs and.
Speaker 9 (44:39):
Out of those twenty two, they have two of them.
Speaker 13 (44:41):
That are ambassadors that they bring with them to schools
for educational purposes, to different seminars.
Speaker 9 (44:48):
So the ones that they brought were.
Speaker 13 (44:50):
The ambassadors that are used to being around people there,
used to be on stage with lights and microphones and
all that. With that said, a red carpet is a
little bit different. So we brought them onto the carpet
for the pictures, but we did not want them to
be going down the line of Q and A's, you know,
because similarly, like we were talking about kind of talking
(45:12):
about tying in with Joanne and Carol, we're talking about
as well. You talk about kids, and kids learn language
and they learn how to communicate.
Speaker 9 (45:20):
Right with dogs, they don't. They're not able to.
Speaker 13 (45:22):
Tell you, you know, and dog can't tell Matt, hey my
stomach hurts, I don't like this food. You have to
look for the reactions of like a rash or they
stop eating the food or in their stool or whatever
the case is.
Speaker 9 (45:35):
So I think really.
Speaker 13 (45:36):
Reading their behavior from a visual standpoint, And.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
The reason why I asked that I was, you know,
sometimes people are really stupid. On red Carbone, I could
just see someone being dumb reaching over there wanting to
pet it, and that wolf dog going crowd. No it
didn't happen, but yeah, weird sometimes.
Speaker 9 (45:56):
Yeah people.
Speaker 13 (45:57):
It was definitely my first Brad Pitt moment and going
on a harpen being sworn by paparazzi.
Speaker 9 (46:02):
But I will say I filmed a lot of stuff
that didn't.
Speaker 13 (46:05):
Make the movie, and a lot of the stuff I
did film is they have a kid's program where kids
went to go be with the wolf dogs.
Speaker 9 (46:12):
They were helping clean the cages. They want them to
hike with the wolf dogs.
Speaker 13 (46:16):
So like, they are around a lot of people, and
you kind of treat them like hats if you will.
So when you're in the enclosure with them or bring
them a hike, you don't like go up and start
rubbing their faces like a dog. You just let them
come up to you and sniff you and kind of
assess that and then if they're interested. You know, I've
had them come up and lick my face before, but
I've also had it where they don't mind me and
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they just do.
Speaker 9 (46:37):
Their own business.
Speaker 13 (46:38):
So sometimes you get lucky and you get a wolf kiss,
and sometimes you don't.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Hey give me social media real quick, Evan.
Speaker 13 (46:45):
Yeah, you can find Fulsom's runs in Instagram at Fulson
Fulsom's Run. You can find mine at Evan Morden Film
and then if you look up Blind to You Productions,
you can find my company as well.
Speaker 9 (46:57):
And then just real quick for the Sanctuary.
Speaker 13 (46:59):
It's APEX Protection project on social media on TikTok it's
Apex Wolves, so for the young folks out there, you
could find that.
Speaker 6 (47:10):
So I just want to say, Evan, I have a
little bout hotel down in southern Chile. We run retreat
but we've featured Audubon Society, NAT Photo National Geographics, so
that you know you being a part of National Geographic.
If you ever want to come down and visit Patagonia,
(47:32):
you know, just get in contact. And I would love
for you guys to reach out on I'm an oldie,
but I'm on all the socials, so yeah.
Speaker 9 (47:44):
I'd love to connect with you.
Speaker 13 (47:45):
I haven't been a Patagonia before since on my my
list of places to go, so we could get each
other's into AFT.
Speaker 6 (47:51):
Awesome for all of you.
Speaker 5 (47:55):
So my socials okay, so.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Jojo G ten twenty for Instagram, talk Playing Read with Me,
Mommy Facebook, my website, talkplanread dot com and I think
that's about I don't know, LinkedIn by Heart, but is that?
Speaker 2 (48:14):
And how can they get your book? Which is most important?
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Okay, So here's two things. My books are available at
Amazon dot com. And then also I have a Patreon
page which was set up for donations. So then if
people donate, then I can send some books out to families,
so that I guess it's Joanne Grandmack, Patreon, Joan graandmic
something like that or you know what, I got it,
(48:38):
it's top playing Read there you go. Yeah, So it's
a great it's a great way to get these resources
out to the community.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
So so thank you.
Speaker 11 (48:47):
Rachel, Rachel Roberts, recipes and ig and Facebook is Rachel
and Robert, I have Coffee Talk in the.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Morning and Matt, you get the last word on ch pap.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (49:00):
Our Instagram is at official chef Pop and all the
all the information really for chef pop is at chefpod
dot com. Or you can google dog food Maker. We're
all across page one on there. And our app is available.
Our nutrition app is available for free on chefpod dot com.
If you click on the nutrition nutrition app, you can
(49:21):
sign up for a free account and get all the
information you want on dog nutrition. We don't even have
to have one of our machines to use it.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
And three movies just for anybody who might be watching
Let's See One's Ballad with Maggie Q on Prime Video
or AMC Prime owned AMC now tick of James Bond,
a very good ten part series which is streaming now.
A new one just came out which is excellent, and
that has been thinking about Ed Sullivan. So if you
(49:51):
think of any variety show, Ed Sulliman is the granddaddy
of them all. So everybody debuted on the show, the Beatles, Elvis,
the supp Reams, anybody from Motown.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
It's called the Untold Story of Ed Sullivan.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Sunday's best when you can get one hundred and twenty
five million watching on a Sunday night and heard of numbers,
but your average was between thirty five and fifty million
on a Sunday night. Those numbers, they can't be duplicated.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
So that's that.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
And then let's see the last one. Oh, go to
your theaters and see F one in Imax. Brad Pitt
film on F one Racing is really really good. So everybody,
thank you for Kevin. It's never easy to make these
things work. On things in general, you want to say something.
Speaker 6 (50:30):
Yeah, speak of your numbers. Brian, looking at over eight
hundred million views now, is.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
That right, County?
Speaker 3 (50:38):
I'm growing and forty million plus on it two four
seven out of Franklin Tennessee. And as I always say
to everybody, thank you. Have a good night, tonight, a
better day tomorrow. You see someone without a smile, please
give them one of yours, because everybody needs it. Chime
into coffee talk, Look to see what Evan's doing, Buy
Matt's products, buy Joan's books.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
And we'll see uh India.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
And all right, we will see you next week.
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