The Show: TreVeyon Henderson's Breakout, Touchdown Reliance, and More

JJ and Kitchen talk about TreVeyon Henderson's monster Thursday Night Football game, lookahead waiver wire options, bold predictions, and more on this week's Late-Round Fantasy Football Show.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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here's this week's episode.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome in, Welcome in JJ.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
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All right, Matthew says, you guys are looking fresh to
death as usual.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I I look, I showered literally ten minutes ago. I
got out because I was on the peloton right before this,
because I had stuff going on this morning.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
But but I will say my brain is a lot
fresher than last week's show. Last week, I kind of
went into it and I'm like, I don't know if
this show is going to be good. I'm I'm I'm. Uh,
I've got some energy today, or at least more energy
than last week.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, good, we need we need that? Uh that energy?
Did you have energy last night? JJ?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well, I think that's a good segue for what we're
about to talk about.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
It is it is, Uh, let me get it sorry,
Today's Fantasy News.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Wow, what a great segue.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
That was.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
What a great transition.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I thought you were gonna give me something.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Man, I'll tell you what. People. People heard the pause
on today's mail Bag episode, and now people are gonna
be listening on the podcast feed and they'll be like, wait,
did my did my podcast feed brew? It's going on?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
People understand. I don't think I understood the pause until
I started working here.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Oh yeah, I only do it for mail but.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
For the mail bag is when you when when it's
something different.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
When I when I'm kind of mess with people little
bit because of the mail bags the end of week
episode we're answering some like, you know, different kind of stuff.
It's just kind of the the abstract podcast of the
week and episode of the week. Everything else is very
formalized and very you know, formatted the same way. The
mail bag can go in a lot of different directions.
So every week I try to do a little bit
something different. We've had an AI voice, we've had my

(04:19):
daughter's voice, We've had long pauses, we've had short pauses,
we've had whispers. It's fun. It's it's just a little fun,
little little easter egg. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Okay, all right, well let's talk about last night. Then
take me through the three touchdowns by Travian Henderson. How
you were, how you were feeling? And I also want
to ask this question, JJ, Okay, have you learned anything?
Have have you learned anything as as an analyst? Or

(04:51):
maybe has it reinforced any beliefs that you have had.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I I just so I want to be totally serious
with all of this this yes, because I think that
the topic of Travion Henderson right now is obviously the
probably the hottest in fantasy football. It's hot off the
press too because of what happened last night. Yeah, and
I'm just seeing a lot of like, you know, extreme takes.
You know. I see on one end, people are like, oh,
the celebrating is going to end next week when Ramondre

(05:18):
Stevenson's back and he's taken his old role again. And
then there's the other end, it's like, you can't put
this back, you know, this genie back in the bottle
because for obvious reasons, right, we're seeing Trayvon do well.
I think that the that what this is. And look,
I've I've obviously talked about Travion this season a lot
on the show, and every single time that I've had
him on fifteen transactions, it's been hold Travion Henderson, Hold

(05:42):
Travon Henderson, don't drop him. Like this is in a
situation where you really want to get rid of a
really talented player who you know has just not gotten
it done yet. Right. But I think every single year
there are examples of patients winning in fantasy football, and
this is probably going to be the number one example
this year. I would imagine because even if like Ramandre

(06:03):
Stevenson comes back and sees you know, some type of
role like Trayvon Henderson is not gonna just go away.
And the reason I feel optimistic about that is what
I talked about on fifty Transactions this week. They have
the best schedule for running backs and fantasy football rest
of season by adjusted fantasy points allowed their next two
games before thereby Cincinnati and then the New York Giants

(06:26):
the two best matchups by adjusted Fantasy points allowed, And
so in those scenarios, you become you know, even if
you get a lower workload, you can become more efficient
because the matchups are there, right. And so I also
think one of the issues that I'm seeing with the
Travion Henderson analysis right now is that people are judging

(06:47):
his performance by yards per carry. Yards per carry is
one of the worst metrics that you could possibly go
off of for predictability at the running back position. Now,
if you get a large enough number where it normalizes
finally and you can finally it actually has predictive value. Fine,
but that's literally typically over multiple seats, like a season

(07:08):
and a half of data. For like a higher volume
running back, yards per carry does not really matter that
much to me. And I'll be honest with you guys,
like when it comes to running back play, oftentimes I
am going more by the eye test than I am
what metrics are saying. Wide receiver, I think you can
do a little bit more on the metric side, but

(07:28):
running back is so so dependent on matchup offensive line,
the type of runs that they're seeing. And obviously this
is the same thing for wide receivers and stuff. But
you have to at some point not rely on something
as basic as yards per carry to use to pass
judgment on a running back. It's just not the best

(07:48):
way to evaluate whether a running back is good or not.
So if you look at Trayvon Henderson right now, there
are a group of people that are saying, oh, yeah,
had like a three point whatever yards per carry last night,
and so therefore you know he didn't have a great game.
But then you look at more of the detailed metrics.
I'll save the eye test, but you look at more
of the detailed metrics. He had more yards after contact

(08:10):
last night than he had rushing yards. You know that
means it means he's getting knocked behind the line of scrimmage.
And yet he's still gaining rushing yards because he broke
more tackles than he's ever broken in a single game.
And then you.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Worshed nine missed tackles on twenty four touches.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Right, he had it like, I don't know how you
watched that game and you're not like, wow, Travon Henderson
looked really good. That to me, last night was a
better game than how he played against Tampa Bay than
any other game that any maybe aside from Romandre against
Miami earlier this season, was probably the best running back
game that I've seen from a New England Patriots running back.

(08:48):
And if you're gonna use that kind of argument for
Traveon Henderson, go use the exact same argument for Ramandre Stevenson.
Ramandre Stevenson, go right now look at him, whether I
mean not if you're driving, but go and look at
Ramandre Stevenson's game logs. Okay, he's had two good games
this year, literally, I mean like he has not been

(09:10):
you know what, I'm gonna pull it up because I
think it's it's an impactful thing to do. If you
want to go by game logs, go by game logs. Okay,
Romandre Stevenson Cleveland fourteen for thirty four. Then he gets Tennessee,
one of the better matchups you can find, eighteen for
eighty eight in a touchdown. He had a good game
against Tennessee. Then New Orleans thirteen for eighteen, Buffalo seven

(09:31):
for fourteen. He had two touchdowns that game though, Carolina
nine for thirty eight. You know, Pittsburgh four for eighteen.
Then he gets Miami. This I'm going in reverse order.
He gets Miami eleven for fifty four and Vegas in
week one seven for fifteen. I mean, Ramondre Stevenson, you're
acting like Ramandre Stevenson has been good this year. This

(09:52):
to me is not necessarily like we're we're you know,
when we're looking at this backfield, Henderson, he has so
much more juice and it's so obvious that he has
so much more burst and he brings more to the
table for this team. And here's the other thing we
like Henderson. Henderson's a big play running back. He always was.
That's why we like him in fantasy football. He has

(10:14):
that ability. He also has a good pass catching ability.
We saw that with a touchdown this past or last
night through the air. But when you have a big
play running back like Trayvon Henderson can be. The more
reps you get him, the higher chance he's gonna break
one of those plays. Right, And so if you're not
giving him at least a decent amount of volume, you're

(10:35):
lowering your chances for those literal game breaking plays. And
we can sit here and say the Patriots are gonna
be stubborn and they're gonna go back to Ramandre Stevenson
in the exact same role that he had pre injury.
I don't think that's gonna happen. Do I think Trayvon
Henderson's gonna see a ninety percent snapshare each week? No,
I think last night's workload probably not gonna repeat week

(10:57):
in and week out. But what I am saying is
I would treat Traveon Henderson pretty confidently as the one
A in that backfield to Mondre Stevenson being the one B.
The issue that we're going to run into with Traveon
is potential goal line stuff. Yeah, and like that kind
of upside. So I still think I haven't done like
rest of the season rankings or anything. I still think
he's probably gonna be ranked in the RB two range

(11:19):
and not the RB one range, just because RB one
is like full blown Bellcow. There's a lot of them
that like, like at least like ten of them that
we feel extremely extremely good about. But to me, the
schedule combined with the fact that he is now going
to be playing the role that I kind of thought
he could play earlier in the season. You know, whenever
I said Traveon Henderson, it's just happening six weeks later

(11:41):
than I expected it to happen. You know, I'm excited
about it. Though, like I, he was a good prospect.
He's a good player. And here's another underrated part to
last night's game, Kitchen. He was really good in pass Pro.
Like watch that game. He made some really good blocks
in pass Pro. And that's gonna go a really, really
long way for him to continue seeing the field down

(12:03):
the stretch. You can't like, this is the trajectory that
rookies go down, and sometimes you spend a premium pick
on them in your fantasy league. Yeah, it doesn't happen
until later, and then you get jaded and you're upset,
and I get it that that kind of thing happens,
But this is a trajectory that we that is not
that uncommon for rookies like it. Sometimes it clicks later

(12:24):
they're only human. Sometimes they get more reps and they're
real and the coaching staff realizes, oh, we need to
get them more reps. Like I just think that people
need to look at this as rationally as possible and
ask yourself, is it rational to give Ramandre Stevenson more work,
consistently more work, especially back to where they were pre injury,
then traveon Henderson given what we've seen from Henderson and

(12:46):
the other thing. The last thing I want to throw
out there is that one of the things I talked
about with like I mean on the podcast, but also
with patrons when I would do the livestream Q and
as you look at his rushing chart via Next Gen
Stats and very freak earlier in the season, they were
using him only up the gut and that's a recipe
for a low yards per carry unless you break one,

(13:06):
and he wasn't breaking any of them, and that's not
necessarily his game. You want to get him in space.
Not only have they gotten him in space a little
bit more over the last couple of weeks, and getting
him to the outside, giving him more tosses that kind
of stuff, but also he's running better between the tackles
than he was earlier this season. Like, it's like shocking
to me that people can't just accept general improvement. There's

(13:28):
gonna be more improvement for a rookie running back than
there is a veteran running back, just in general. And
so I'm at this point where I actually think Ramandre
can still be useful in fantasy because of the schedule
rest of season. But I don't see this as a
situation where things are just gonna revert back to exactly
as it was before Ramondre Stevenson went down, because that

(13:49):
is not a rational thing to do for a team
with not just playoff aspiration, super Bowl aspirations at this point,
because they're playing better than almost any other team in football.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, and when you get this, you also have the uh,
you know that first overall seed is important. Yeah, huge
and uh and now they've got you know, they they're
nine and two and Colts Broncos both eight and two.
But yeah, you're fighting for that first. It's like it's

(14:18):
more important than a fantasy playoff by, you know, because
usually two teams get a fantasy playoff by but you know,
you just have to you get that, you get that
off week. I this is why I said, like it's
tough to put that toothpaste back in the tube.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah. And you also, and I know we're spending a
lot of time on this, but I think it's an
important thing to just talk about and people care about
it right now. But like this would just I would
feel a lot differently if Ramandre Stevenson were like really good. Yeah,
he's not like a really good running back. He's fine,
he's not bad.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
They didn't pay him in the off season.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, And like, like you know, I see people in
Chatlie jeff As saying, like, so this is what happens
with rookies. When is this gonna happen with with uh,
with Ttero McMillan. It doesn't happen with every rookie, you guys.
Ye like that, That's what I'm trying to say, Like,
this is a game of probability. Just like so in
your fantasy draft you take Tradevon Henderson in the fourth round,
and you're taking him over some other running back or

(15:12):
wide receiver whomever, right, and those It's almost like there's
this assumption that the other players, the veteran players that
the opportunity costs that you're taking on by draft, and
that rookie are automatically good, right, Like I've seen a
lot of takes like, oh, you don't draft rookies in
fantasy because you know, they get off to slow starts,
or you have to wait, or they're not very you know,

(15:34):
whatever the case may be. And that analysis never looks
at the alternative, which the alternative is, Okay, you're what
you're you're mad that you drafted Travis Hunter over I
don't know, Jerry Judy, Like even though Travis hunters out
of the you know, but it's not like these veterans
are automatically doing better than what the rookies are. You
have to look at hit rates for all h you know,

(15:56):
groups of players and rookies historically, just going back to
some of the drafts aalysis from the Draft Guide, rookies historically,
rookie running backs they're not amazing bets, but they're pretty
good bets. And then rookie wide receivers are really good
bets generally speaking, especially during the second half of the season.
So yeah, I mean I think that and Jeff says
that he was kidding, but I'm I think that people
have that opinion though, right, Like, OK, because I've heard it.

(16:18):
I hear it all the time. And it's it's.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Also like you said, it's the expectation, it's the draft capital.
You know, when people spend a third or fourth round pick,
they get impatient.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Right, and so and I understand that, like I took
an L for Trayvon Henderson earlier, and this is and
this is my was gonna be.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
My question to you is like, did you learn anything
from the analysts standpoint of maybe like getting down on
yourself too early?

Speaker 1 (16:46):
No, because because it wasn't L right, like, because you
could have bought very very low on Trayvon Henderson, you know,
I I see, I see w's and l's as like
if you have to wait until week eleven or ten,
let's say it'd be ten right for a true breakout
to really happen. Yeah, in the Best Ball streets, it's
different because you're not actually like moving players and stuff
like that. And so yeah, I feel good about like

(17:08):
how much Trayvon Henderson I have in Best Ball because
hopefully down the stretch he's giving us a lot of
good performances and that's when it matters A ton right,
But then you know, in like a regular season, long league,
I don't think this is a situation where like, like
it was a bad call for nine weeks of the season.
That's a large chunk of the fantasy season where your
fourth round pick is not usable. And so that's on me, right,

(17:28):
Like I think framing this kind of stuff, and like
I'm gonna do a lot of research this offseason on
when that happened, when this stuff happens, as opposed to
looking at the season long points per game stuff and
splitting it up in first half, second half, all that
kind of stuff. I do think that it's important for
me and the way that I communicate these ideas as
well as the listeners to kind of know, Okay, if

(17:50):
I get Trayvon Henderson, maybe I should get a an
Aaron Jones type or something who I know is going
to get some production. I mean, obviously he got hurt,
but or Jalen Warren or something who can give me
some early season production of something and then I can
wait a little bit for that Travon Henderson thing to hit,
because there is gonna be a little bit of a
ramp up period. It's very rare for these guys to
just automatically be an RB one right away unless they're

(18:11):
you know, in that Ashton gent kind of tier.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, okay, this is what I was like. You know,
how do you like we talked about the Eggbuka like
you being high in Egbuka and choosing trying to choose
between him, Drake May and Trayvon Henderson for the Fantasy

(18:34):
Footballers MVP pick yea knowing how much how many views clicks?
You know how how much?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, And so this is why I was I was
talking to to Peter about this is like it's one
thing to like be like not have your pick maybe hit,
like being an MVP. It's another thing to have like
your pick be a dud, like right, like almost like
a league loser of you wasted that draft capital. I

(19:04):
think that's where you were. You were like, please don't
let this guy be a dud. This year after I'll.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Be full transparency for everybody I care, And Kitchen knows
this after working with me for almost a year now,
I cared deeply about getting things correct and like being
an honest and transparent analyst, but also like being good
for you guys, like right, I like, I care a
lot about that. Like the first few weeks of the season,
if you look at like what I talked about in

(19:30):
the draft guide and who I kind of liked, if
you looked at my rankings and stuff like that, you know,
the first few weeks of the season, we had people
that were like, you know, why did you why did
I draft Drake London and why you know, Devonte Smith
and these players who like weren't getting off the hot starts.
And it was a little bit stressful for me.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
It was very stressful for I was want to say,
you almost cared too much, Like, you know, the the
drinks you were drinking weren't tasting as as good. You know,
the the food you were tougher time that is as sweet.
And now it's just like you are walking on a
cloud of air because a lot of things have come
to fruition and people just have to be patient.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
But I but what I what I was gonna say
is that like it's I've never had a season where
it's been so like it started off like below average
for me the first couple weeks of this season, like
you know, maybe through the through week three or so,
and I've never had it flip the way that it's flipped.
Like even Jamison Williams is getting better, you know what
I mean. Like there's been a lot of that going
on and I'm really happy about it. And so with

(20:30):
this Travion thing again just being transparent, that was kind
of like Travion's been the last piece to the puzzle
for me as an analyst this year of like how
people will look back and view JJ Zachariason as an
analyst in twenty twenty five. And it feels really really good,
like as an analyst to be able to help and
to be able to like say that, like the process

(20:51):
that I've worked on and try to hone in on
for so long, it wasn't totally wrong, you know with
this pick and that that to me is really really
important because I like, this is just the truth. I'm
an I'm an analyst that cares a lot about like
guiding you guys in the right direction. But I'm not
going to sacrifice my transparency for that because It's important

(21:13):
to also be honest and transparent with how I'm viewing things.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
All Right, you said we would spend about ten minutes.
I think we actually spend more than It was good.
It's good for people to kind of see this, you know,
one piece of hair out and you just you being
very passionate about what's well.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Look, man, I'm a passionate person in general, but when
it comes to this kind of thing where it's my
career and it's my job and it's this community and
it's all of that, and I know it's at stake,
and it's just important. From that perspective, I care. You know,
people are spending they're harder and money on these leagues,
you know, and I don't want to I don't want
them to listen to me and just be like, oh man,
I'm never going to this guy again because he's guided

(21:53):
me in the wrong direction so long, and look to
be you know like I've done this now for fifteen years,
and so every year that and I have more of
a backbone, you know, people people will still come back
to me and they're like, oh, well, JJ got me
pukina kua. So you know, he's good forever. That kind
of stuff is awesome and I really appreciate that, but
I want to always set that standard to be a
little bit higher every year and again. Traveon Henderson was

(22:14):
sort of like that that thing hanging over me this
season as an analyst, so it's really good to see
him him really, you know, work out and look good.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, we're hoping. So we're hoping that the vrabel and
staff are seeing the same things that that we're seeing.
All right, what the bucks, When ever I put this
on there, we didn't know about Chris Godwin and Bucky Irving.
Now we do. They are both out this week. JJ.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, But I think my response to this is that
it's a good sign, right like theypare at least practicing.
I think Bucky goes next week. Godwin they said early December.
Maybe they hold him out until after Thanksgiving or something,
just because his seems more you know, he's older and
seem you know, he already reaggravated it and stuff. So
there's a little bit more to that, but I think
it's a good sign overall. H The other thing too,

(23:01):
is that Bucky Irving has a monster schedule in a
good way down the stretch if you look at what's
going on there. So if you guys are in a
league right now like I had, you know, I have
a league where I traded for Bucky yesterday. Actually I
have because I have so much Henderson. I ended up
trading Henderson for Bucky to a team that needed production
right now, and I'm locked in for a buye. And

(23:22):
I do think that if Bucky comes back and basically
Bucky sitting in my bench because Rico Dawdle is my
RB three. But regardless of all that, I know, first
world problems now, regardless of all of that, you know,
I do think that that if you're looking at the
playoffs right now, and you do, you are in that
fortunate position where like you drafted Dowbdell or you know,
and he's just kind of sitting there for you as

(23:43):
your RB three. Bucky has a really good like he's
a great insurance piece, and he has a really good
schedule down the stretch. I'd hesitate to really give like
a starter for or you know, like a like a
full blown, like you know, great player. I do more
of like a two for one to try to get
Bucky right now, just because the schedule's really nice down
the stretch.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Okay, as Davante and unk Mode, he was a limited
participant yesterday. We're waiting to see today, but just seeing
that tape of him trying to do a juke move
and then like holding back, freezing up, and it was
just it was the Leonardo DiCaprio where I'm just pointing
at him like I'm pretty sure I did that earlier
this year too.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah. I mean I've I've thrown out my back. I've
I've thrown out my back once in my life and
it was from picking up CJ my son when he
was like eight months old or something. And I just
I now under like anyone who has chronic back pain,
I feel so bad for you. I couldn't get off
the couch for like twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Let's hate you, man.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, it really screws you up.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I gotta get a new desk chair.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, I feel a lot My post is a
lot better.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
How is your like? Do you do you like it?
We haven't already talked about it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I love the new desk chair. It's great.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Does you Does it have your custom button imprint like
it used to have.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, it's not there yet. It'll be there though, it'll
be there. I mean, look, I feel like my past
is a little bit better. You know, I'm feeling a
little bit more, you know, energy.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Most unco full desk chair I've ever sat in just
because it was your butt. Yeah, and it was old.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
It's like nine years old too. But yeah, I'm not
worried about DeVante right now. I mean, honestly, if you
want to be worried about RAMS wide receivers, it would
probably be the thirteen personnel usage that they've had over
the last handful of weeks and the fact.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
That right now on all their tight ends everywhere, yeah,
Pooka Nakua has like a sixty to seventy percent route share,
Like he's not out there very frequently.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
With that being said, I do think that people aren't
necessarily adjusting that enough for game scripts because they've had
some insane game scripts over the last few weeks, and
obviously when you're in a positive game script and you're
running down clock and whatnot, you're gonna have heavier personnel.
I think it's working and they'll probably use it more.
But it's such an efficient offense that I'm not, like,

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overly overly concerned about their stud wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Okay, the Niners offense prety prety good with brock Purty
set to start this week.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
JJ. Yeah, I'm just putting by next to this one
because the forty nine ers schedule.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I talked about the you y for the podcast listeners.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah yeah, not bye, yes, good, good call. But the
forty nine ers schedule rest of season, I'm just gonna
read it to you guys. Arizona, then Carolina, then they
get Cleveland, but in the Fantasy playoffs, then they have
a bye I think after that and then the Fantasy
playoffs though Tennessee, Indianapolis and Chicago. I mean, I don't
think you can name a better stretch of three games

(26:28):
for both passing and rushing attacks than that in the
Fantasy playoffs. So and not only that, but the Colts
game is in Indianapolis, It's in a dome. The other
games are at home. So I'm pretty optimistic about the
forty nine ers offense. Now, with that being said, the
pass catchers, we could see like a scenario situation where
it's a little bit of a roller coaster because obviously

(26:50):
not all these guys can just be fed and just
eat from a fantasy perspective week in and week out.
With Ricky Piersoll now looking to be back, so I
do think we might get a little bit more variation
from that. But it's not like Juwan Jennings Juwan Jennings
has had like a decent enough floor, but he's I
think the ceiling. The odd part with like pears all
coming back is that I think the ceiling with Jennings
could be higher, even though the floor might be a

(27:12):
little bit lower, just because you'll get softer coverage. You know,
he's not gonna be as reliant as the one, and
so I think all these guys could eat in the
fantasy playoffs.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, let's hope. So, all right, Harvey season, Harvey's made
a few cameos. This said this week JK. Dobbins, I'm
just assuming he's going to be out this week.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, I mean, I think we all were kind of
waiting for like a Dobbin's injury. But the crazy thing
is that this was on a hip drop tackle and
it's like not even it wasn't even like JK. Dobbins's fault. Really,
you know, I'm not that not that other injuries are
their faults. I'm just saying this is not like an
injury prone thing. This is just he got really unlucky
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
But yeah, you're shaming. What's that is your injury shaming?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah? Right right now, I'm gonna be canceled. But uh yeah,
look I love JK. Dobbins. He was someone that and
I said this in the discord too earlier this week.
It's like you you definitely need to split up your
fantasy season almost by quarters and think about, like, okay,
what can I get and maybe like, like, for instance,
I have a lot of teams that have JK. Dobbins

(28:19):
and Travon Henderson, right, And that's the kind of pairing
I was talking about earlier where we kind of knew
Dobbins would get some work early on in the season.
I think it extended longer than I expected, but regardless,
like he was getting work earlier on the season. That
was one of the reasons why, like I had him
as a target in the draft guide this year. And
then you know, once things kind of naturally slowed down,

(28:41):
whether R. J. Harvey gets more work or you know,
the inevitable injury happens, then you kind of flip the
switch and hope that the other guy that you drafted
him with is performing well. So if you do have
that duo, then that's perfect because that's it's you know,
it's great. But with that being said, I you know,
I talked a lot about RJ. Harvey on the podcast
today on the mail bag, Mike Florio and I Michael

(29:04):
Florio and I Michael Michael f Florio and I had
a good conversation about Harvey on perspective. So you guys
can get a lot of takes from from those two shows.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, cover boy r J. Harvey. All Right, crabs for everyone.
Everyone gets crabs. So hopefully with the Giants this week
except to start Jamis Winston. Darius Slayton though out. I
thought he played really well last week. It would have
been fun to see him.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Is he officially out?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
He is officially out?

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, I mean this is the I'll say this. It
helps Wandale from the perspective, and I said this on
the Sleeper Show. Slayton being out will help Wandell because
Wandell won't be as locked into the slot he'll play.
Wandeal is gonna run ninety seven, like ninety seven percent
of the routes for the for the Giants this week,
because that's what they do. When Darius Slayton's out. They'll

(29:55):
use Wandell Robinson on the perimeter and the Packers are
worse against perimeter wide receivers and they are slot receivers.
So I was actually leaning like if Slayton were one
hundred percent, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he
outperformed Wandell Robinson this week. But now Wandell gets a
better floor ceiling combo, not just because Slayton's out, but
actually because of deployment, because I think Wandell now will
see more perimeter work and maybe be just more of

(30:16):
like a fifty percent slocky instead of like a seventy
percent slot guy.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Dalton and Kid also out frownie face.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, I mean we're gonna say it's it's Dawson Knox
Season one player that I definitely had I'm a lot
higher on than the market this week, just because last
time we saw him, Yeah, seventy seven percent route chair.
They played Atlanta. Atlanta's a tough matchup. This isn't a
great matchup, to be fair, but I do think that, like,
if you're desperate, you could you could go with Dawson

(30:45):
Knox this week.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, or just look for I'm gonna mention in a newsletter.
But there are some some deep sleepers at tight end
this week as well. There's one team that plays a
team that has been really bad against Titans, all right,
Wilson or dors with MHJ being out good called by

(31:06):
you for saying that he was a cell on the
Transactions this week.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, I told I told people in Discord that I
talked to Marvin Harrison Junior's appendix on Monday when I
was doing research for the fifteen Transaction show. So I
kind of had an insider info that the appendix was
going to burst, and that's why I had Marvin Harrison
Junior as a cell.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, just had you better say, JK, you better do something.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I mean, look, look, I already had my appendix removed,
so oh you did. Yeah, yeah, I know what he's
going through right now. It's not that fun. It's not
very fun. Yeah, I had. I had one of the
most embarrassing stories in my life after my appendix was removed.
Do you want to hear it?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Are you going to share there? Is it for like
a discord only or what?

Speaker 1 (31:47):
No, I'll share it. I don't care. Yeah. So I
was in the I was in the hospital post appendix,
and I was back in Pittsburgh at home because I
was still in college. And uh, someone from my high school,
this girl caught Wind and I'm friends with Cott Wind
that I was in the hospital. How are you twenty?
Maybe I was. I was dating my wife. I was
dating Amanda, so like we were, you know, so like

(32:07):
she knew who this girl was. They were friends in
high school, and this girl came and visited me in
the hospital. I'll never forget this. Well, after you get
your appendix removed, you are bedridden for like a day
or whatever, two days, and they give you a jug
to pee in, okay, And so I took the jug
and I'm like, oh, I gotta go peece. So I
start peeing in the jug. As I'm peeing in the

(32:29):
jug underneath my blanket, of course, in walks my friend
from high school and she's standing there and I'm just
peeing in this and like I finished, like right as
she walks in, and then we start talking. And I
didn't want to make it awkward, so I just kind
of left it underneath the blanket. But then we ended
up talking for like forty five minutes, and so it

(32:50):
got to a point where I don't even know if
I could like hold the bottle underneath me anymore. And
so eventually I'm just like, you know, what I got
to bite the bullet here and I pulled it out
from undernath the blanket. I looked at it, I looked
at her and I just said yeah, and then I
said it sat down on the nightstand that was next
to me, and then we continue, She's awesome. And so

(33:10):
it was a you know, not a big deal, but
it was very embarrassing in hindsight.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
The fact that you still remember that.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, my gosh, I
remember I remember awkward interactions for like that that most
people just brush off. I'll think about it for like
four weeks. That thing I'm gonna remember for life, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
So will Speaking of p jug for Wilson or dors
this week.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
I'm gonna say that that Dorch has the matchup, but
Wilson's the better play. Probably. The other thing, too, is
that Michael Wilson next week has a really good matchup.
I think they played Jacksonville. I have it in the
in the look ahead waiver wire stuff, and so that's
a really good matchup for perimeter guys. And there's a
chance that Marvin Harrison Junior is not back next week,

(33:55):
and uh, and so I think Wilson's probably the one
that you because like, let's just that we like Doorsch
a little bit more than Wilson, even though I don't necessarily,
but let's just say that would be the case. If
you want to look ahead a little bit and think further,
then you might just want to have Wilson and play
him as opposed to playing what might be a very
micro edge. Anyway, how long is.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
He going to be out with this? Just I know
that we don't have any official news, but since you
had yours out, like, what would you estimate he.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Could be back next week?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
No way?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, Ben Roethlisberger, I remember having had it done and
he was only out a week. I think that was
back then. Yeah, that's true, different different times, I don't know.
I remember I had just started an internship like a
week later downtown Pittsburgh and I was trapped. I was
taking the bus from where I lived in Pittsburgh to
to because I was living on Pitts campus. And uh,

(34:47):
I remember carrying my laptop bag because they give me
a laptop and it just like it hurt just walking
to the bus stop because you have incision and stuff
like that. They do it laparoscopically though, they just pulled out.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Imagine people tackling you.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, I mean, look, they just pull pull that thing
out of your belly button and you're good to go.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Oh gosh, all right, speaking of not medical advice, Joe Burrow.
They've opened the window for Joe to come back, and people,
I was getting excited. I honestly, the rival in my
home league had already dropped him, so I had I
spent one more dollar than my rival had.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
And it's a super flex league.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, just because the thought of winning our league with
the guy that he had dropped was just too good.
I couldn't let that. Couldn't let that pass. And then
I see a gentleman in the discord, Sir Dave, and uh,
he's saying that he's just he's not sold right now
on this.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
That that Burrow is going to be able to come back.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
He thinks it's more they're they're almost and I don't
want to put words in his mouth, but almost like
they're trying to appease Joe Burrow. That he thinks this
is not like a situation where Burrow's going to come
back up one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, I think I think right now they have what
like a a thirteen, like like a ten percent chance
to make the playoffs or something like that, and where
they're at and so that But what that means is
is that Joe Flacco needs it, needs to lead them
and they need to win, like they have to win
in Pittsburgh, you know, they have to have.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
It means those two just blow ups meltdowns in the past,
their past two games, they're huge.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, huge, And so I do think that that's
going to dictate when we see Burrow. But look, man,
like when when people, in my opinion overstate like the
sitting players based on injury stuff, unless it's like a
you know, I was a little bit nervous about like
Garrett Wilson because they're not going to play it now
that he is injured. Yeah, they're not going to want
to play him until he's one hundred percent, which is

(36:47):
I think why they put him on IR because they're
thinking long term with with a guy like Wilson, and
so you know with Burrow, if they're in it, they'll
play them and if he's ready. And that's the way
that like these guys, this is their job, this is
what they do for a living, you know, and so
if they feel good, they feel good, they're not just
going to hold him out just to hold him out.
So well, see it sounds like Schefter said week fourteen,

(37:09):
and so I think he's a stash just as a
you know, related to that, because he should be able
to give us QB one production when he's back.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, you mentioned Garrett Wilson. I saw the alert come
out while we're on this show that he will They
are planning on him playing again this season.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I don't know your thoughts on Ady Mitchell though I
saw the you know, in the live game ban whe
people were kind of down on him, but I think
it was Mike Rinner and somebody else that are saying
that he actually had some pretty good routes last night.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
He's a good separator, yeah, Aadie Mitchell. Like I didn't
really like him as a prospect, but he's a really
good separator. He can get down the field. He just
never finishes catches.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Like that, Like what was a kind of important.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, what we saw last night was the most eighty
Mitchell like performance of all time. He can get separation,
he can get open and then whether it's drops or
whether it's just like not using his body properly in
these contested catch situations. For whatever reason, he just doesn't
come down with the ball. So I think that he's
at least an interesting flyer in deep leagues. Yeah, but

(38:15):
nothing more than that, just because I mean that offense
is giving us like one hundred and twenty passing yards
a game. It's really hard to buy him so bad.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
But good for Machi first catching a touchdown. That's a
guy you just yeah, you got a roof for john
MATCHI yeah, in life, Yeah, all right, QJ stands for
questionable Johnston. We have. I just traded for QJ, so
I kind of need him to play this week. Yeah,
I mean I like the matchup this week, So Gadsden
is playing, he's off the injury reports.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
I think Gaston. I think Gaston, though, I mean Keenan
Allen has kind of disappeared over the last few weeks
and so I'm a little bit concerned more about him
with Gadsden. QJ just has a really good matchup on
the outside for LA this week. Yeah, I mean I
think that we're back to sort of like just we

(39:00):
knew this since like week four. But Qj's more of
a roller coaster. Guy Mconkey's the solid you know, you
can start him each week feel good about it. And
then Keenan Allen's kind of taking a backseat and is
not as important to the offense as like an Ronde
Gatson is at this point.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, I mean remember how people were panicking about lad mcconkeye.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I do, I do. This is exactly why. It's just
like even a four five game sample, it's still pretty small.
We can't we can't just totally overreact to that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
All right. We covered a lot of news, so we
got to get on to some get down and nerdy
with some today's data.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Today's data, all right, So for today's data, I thought
it'd be fun to look at players and the percent
of points coming from touchdowns this year. Yeay, so what's
that blast? That's just fun? Yeah, really fun. So I

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have this chart here and the top players, the top
fifteen players, and this is pre Thursday night football. These
are the guys who have seen the highest percentage of
their points coming from touchdowns. So Dallas Goddard is first
in the league with thirty eight percent of his Fantasy points.
This is PPR leagues coming from touchdowns, Josh Jacobs's second,
Jonathan Taylor third, Davante Adams, and Javonte Williams. Those are

(40:27):
the top five, and then you can look at the
bottom fifteen and you can see that mister Zay Flowers
Cheez is at the bottom of the list where only
five percent of his points per game production is coming
via touchdowns. And I talked about Zay on a ten
Trends on the ten Trends episode this week and talked
about how this is what we get with him because

(40:47):
this is how they deploy him. He doesn't see as
many end zone targets. I am interested, though Rashat Bateman
doesn't sound good for this weekend. I don't know if
it's confirmed or not, but they will use him Bateman
a little bit more in the red zone and maybe
that switches a little bit more to Jay Flowers here
in week number eleven, and we finally see the first
touchdown for ja since week number one. But you know,

(41:09):
Zay's great. I think he's a good player. He just
doesn't have the ceiling that we love in fantasy football.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Bateman did not practice and is likely out.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, so maybe we see the maybe that should have
been the bold call is that Zay Flowers scores for
the first time since Week one.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
There you go, save it for the bonus bold call please.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Okay, the late round main event.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Let's get to some players that JJ likes more than
consensus this week. Big surprise here, Homer, JJ. It's like
me putting a Calvin Ridley bounces back.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Bold Pittsburgh guy talking about Aaron Rodgers because the biggest
Steelers fan on earth, as everyone knows. Yeah, I have
Rogers two spots ahead of consensus right now. Twenty seven
point two implied team total for Pittsburgh, which is extremely high.
Second best matchup for quarterbacks by justin points allowed. The
Bengals have allowed forty nine point three adjusted passing yards

(42:10):
over expected to quarterbacks this year. And then the Steelers,
as we know, are very heavy tight end focused. They
have the second highest tight end target chair in football
behind only Arizona, and Arizona has Train McBride and Pittsburgh
definitely does not have a Train McBride. And the Bengals
are terrible against tight end, so I think there's a
tight end matchup they can exploit. As we saw the

(42:30):
last time these guys played. I think back in Week seven.
So Aaron Rodgers I think is a QB one this week.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Okay, Aaron Jones.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I can't quit Aaron Jones right now, Like I just
feel like, yeah, he's just criminally underrated, Like I don't
think people still realize that he's just the bell cow again.
In Minnesota, they have a twenty five and a half
point implied team total. They're playing in a dome. They're
at home this week. Chicago is the eighth best matchup
for running backs by justin points allowed. They're allowing thirteen
rushing yard to running backs per game over expected. Last week,

(43:04):
he had a sixty nine percent running back rush share.
He had about a fifteen percent target share. I mean,
Aaron Jones, was you like that kind of usage? Okay,
layered on top of a twenty five and a half
point implied team total in a dome against a good
matchup in the Bears. I don't know why we wouldn't
be relatively bullish on Aaron Jones this week if he, like,
just assuming that he gets the same usage.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, assuming that Jordan Masons no longer a thing, basically.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I mean he's max out at eight and a half
PPR points in a game with Aaron Jones this year.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
So tough scene, all right, wide receiver Rushi Rice.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, I mean, look, I know that Denver is a
bottom five matchups for wide receivers, and so people might
be a little bit hesitant to be like really bullish.
Not that you're benching Rice. I mean, you're gonna play
Rice no matter what. But Kansas City still has an
imply team total over twenty four points. He's had a
twenty seven percent target share since he returned, and Denver
actually ranks third inju justed target share allowed to wide receivers.

(44:01):
So when teams face Denver, they are actually targeting their
wide receivers and they still don't have Patrick's or Tan.
So I think Rice is an elite play still regardless
of this matchup.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Okay, for tight end, you've got Colston Loveland. He was
dropped in the Expert league that I'm in, and I've
been gretch picked up this morn. I'm kind of upset
at him.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, I mean, I just don't think that you should. Again,
this is partially like projection based, you know, Luthor Burden.
I feel the same way. It's like he's gonna get
an opportunity eventually. You know, Alaminae is a Kias has
not been it, and DJ Moore's a little bit banged up,
And I would argue that Luthor Burden could have more
upside than DJ Moore because Moore has not been the
DJ Moore from a couple of years ago. Let's say

(44:46):
I'm looking at Colston Lovelin and I'm saying, okay, at
tight end, every tight end after like tight end one territory,
like low end tight end one territory has a floor
of zero, like they could easily just get get you know, out,
like give us a zero in fantasy football. But Loveland's
been so efficient over the last couple of weeks, and
to me, when I watched the Bears, he looks the

(45:09):
part like I don't think it's a hot take to
think that long term, there's still a chance, a very
decent chance, that Colston Loveland is just a better player
than like Tyler Warren from the same draft class. Like
I know, Tyler Warren's in the better situation right now
and he works with that offense and what they need
and want. But Loveland is a lot younger. He was

(45:29):
just as good of a prospect coming out. I think
it's very easy to like lose sight of that as
we're not getting like amazing, amazing production from Loveland. But yeah,
and yes, he did see a fifty six percent route
share last week with cole Comet, back when it was
like seventy seven percent seventy eight percent the two weeks prior.
But he's just been over the last two games eleven targets,
ten catches, one hundred and seventy three yards. The Bears

(45:51):
need to win these games, and they face a Minnesota
team that has been second and adjusted target share allowed
to tight end. So do I think he could be, like,
you know, a three point player. Yeah, but I think
anyone in that range could be a three point player.
So I'm gonna just go with the upside and say,
what if they use him more? What if this is
a decently high scoring game in this dome environment, And
what if Colson Loveland is just really really good. And

(46:13):
I think he's more talented than the other high end
tight end twos that are out there, mid range tight
end twos, which is where people are ranking him right now.
I'm just going to lean into the talent profile and
go with Loveland.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Okay, speaking of leaning into things leaning into these bold calls.
Last week, we had Kyle Williams breakout performance.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I mean, look, he got the one, he got the one. Okay,
I'm taking it.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
We got that one that when he like I was
about to take off the pants, you know, just as
like pants off, He's seventy four yard touchdown. Yeah, and
then that was it. But maybe we get.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Ever to be heard from again. You know what's funny
is in my home league, I use Kyle Williams and
I won by like half a point and it was
basically because I just you know, use the waiver wire
pl Aaron Williams and beat him and uh. And then
everyone was giving me crap after last night because Williams
did absolutely nothing, and I go, like, you got lucky, no, no,
But but I said, come on, guys, aren't you listening
to my podcast? Last week? I had Kyle Williams a sleeper.

(47:13):
This week it was Mac Collans and Mac Collens a
decent game last night. So why aren't you supporting your
friend and listening to his podcast.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
I bet they love it when you do that.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Oh yeah, they love talking junk to me, yes.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
And they love when you tell them like, didn't you guys,
hear my podcast, didn't you hear how I was right
about these players? I bet, well, then they'll.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Just say then they'll just say, no, I was listening
to the footballers or something like that.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
You know, just that's like they that's like kind of
a low blow. Yeah, all right, this guy your bold prediction.
He was also a player to target.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Uh yeah, earlier this one, this one's been mostly an
l this seeon Draft Guide.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
But this is also why food's tasting a little bit
sweeter to you. It's Jamison Williams is a top twelve
wide receiver this week.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, I like JMO this season entering it and you know,
didn't work out the first mostly four or five weeks
this season. He's been a little bit better though of late,
and then we saw Dan Campbell take over. Yeah, last
week and when they were target when they've been targeting
Jamis and Williams. I talked about this on the ten
Trends episode. When they've been targeting him. This is the

(48:21):
difference between early season JMO and current season JMO is
they're targeting him on easier routes, like like shorter routes
and not just go routes and not just down the
field targets. There were games earlier this year where Jamis
and Williams had a dots of like twenty two yards,
which is absurd, Like you're if you don't convert on
one of those your toasts in fantasy right But now
you're getting more of these crossers, and you know Jared

(48:43):
Goffs even talking him up and how he's a cheat
code on those kinds of routes, and so I think
they're in a position right now, especially with Dan Campbell
calling plays where they had a pass right over expected
that was in the green I think for the first
time this year, with Dan Campbell last week calling plays
and so that I feel optimistic about that. Now they
get Philly. I wish it was indoor. I wish it

(49:04):
was in Detroit. That would make me feel really good
about this, particularly last outdoor game for him, last one
in the fantasy season. And so they get Philly. They've
been worse against perimeter guys than slock guys. They've actually
been pretty average against perimeter wide receivers in terms of
Fantasy points allowed per game. Sam Laporta is banged up.
We don't know if he's gonna go or not. Yeah,

(49:24):
So like if he's if he's banged up or out,
I mean out, then obviously more more targets will be
funneled to JMO. But even if he's banged up a
little bit, there's more upside for JMO. And like I said,
he's just getting a little bit more involved in the offense.
So I'll say Jamo a top twelve wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
This week, you know, and shout out to Dan Campbell
because I think people just think he is this neanderthal
who just runs through a brick.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Wall with the Oh my gosh, I love Dan Campbell.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
He is uh he was. I don't know, he's like
just like sharper than people think Phil Like.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
No, I agree. I mean he's he's a very very
very good head coach and he knows the game really well.
But yeah, I'm you know, like I said, I wish
this game was indoors, but I think it could still
have it still has a chance to be relatively high scoring.
And I want to give Dan Campbell credit too. That
this is another thing, like when you look at what's
going on with Philly and the offense and they're like

(50:19):
I've seen people who are like, oh, they don't need
to target aj Brown anymore because they're winning, and it's like, no,
you need to still improve to sustainably win. Just because
you win games doesn't mean you can't get better. And
Detroit was in a similar position. But Dan Campbell said,
you know what, I'm gonna take this over and see
how things go. And in my opinion, their offense was
unstoppable last week. It's a good matchup, but they were

(50:40):
still unstoppable.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Okay, this next one. On the outside, it certainly seems
like pretty bold Trey Tucker, top twenty wide receiver, but
people have to realize, I guess who they're playing.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, they're playing Dallas this week. Trey Tucker's only had
one game this high all season, and it was that one.
I think to commanders earlier they had forty Yeah, he
had like forty forty PPR points. But he's running routes
one hundred percent of their dropbacks last couple of weeks.
Like he's going to be out there running routes and
he runs perimeter routes. And Dallas is so horrifically bad
against outside wide receivers. They've given up the most points

(51:16):
to the perimeter receivers in the game, they've given up
the most adjusted fantasy points to wide receivers in general.
So I'll say Trey Tucker top twe Maybe I should
have said top twenty four or something, but we'll say
top twenty for Trey Tucker this week. Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Antonio says Kitchen missed out on naming Kincaid as kin
first aid. I had aid in my brain and I
was like, how can we do? And I missed it.
I completely missed this, Antonio, you are absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Bigger, bigger, el, bigger l than Jamo as A as
a draft guid target.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
I was a Jeff says, a lifelong long suffering Lions fan.
We love Campbell. That's how I also felt as a
long suffering Titans fan with Mike rabble with Rabel and
then you know it didn't didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
So yeah, he's doing an okay job in New England.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
It's doing all right. So I might say, let's get
to the look ahead waiver wire. You've got Jacoby Brissett.
There's number one, and your look web wire for next week. Again,
this is not week eleven, this is week twelve.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
I'm to be fair. Yeah, I'm just separating my position.
There's no like ranking here.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Okay, But also and also to be fair, I don't
think or maybe it's week thirteen, week twelve are their
buyes in week thirteen there's not.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah, Thanksgiving there's not.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, week thirteen there's not. Week twelve, there is week
fourteen there.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Okay, go ahead, So Jacoby Brissett gets Jacksonville next week,
have him on your radar. Moving on to running back
Tase Spears. He's still out there in over sixty percent
of leagues. They're going to see a lot of negative
game scripts. They use Spears in those environments. Chris Rodriguez
gets a bye next week, but you know what if
they do use him as like a a they're very
clear number one, which I kind of expect to happen. Yeah,

(52:56):
Taj Brooks kind of an interesting one if you're in
a deep league, like very deeply league, because samajp Ryan's out,
and what if you know there's an injury to Chase
Brown or what if they just use Brooks a little
bit more than we expect. I wouldn't really expect that happening,
but this is just a what if kind of scenario.
I just have a note on here to get handcuffs,
so Blake Koram Tyler Algier, those kinds of players.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Brian Robinson would be a guy who I think is
available in a lot of leagues that could be a
potential good handcuff.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah, Brian Robinson is another that's you kind of acting.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Like it's just like a regular name. But I think
he has like serious potential. He's one of the higher
He's one of the better handcuffs. That is what I
wanted to hear.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah, I know Brian Robinson is up there with like
one of the more decent handcuffs. He just doesn't catch
a lot of passes. He's not going to be CMC
if you were to step in right Jayden Reid I
talked about on the mailbag this week. Someone asked, like
what his ceiling looks like if he were to come back,
and I answered that honestly, I don't think that he
has like a top twenty ceiling, even though he could
in another environment. But good rest of the season schedule

(53:59):
for Green Bay. Michael Wilson, Like I said, they get
Jacksonville next week. There's a good perimeter matchup Jayden Higgins
and Jalen Nole. There are some good Dmico Ryan's sound
sound bites this week about their rookies even though they
continue to not use those rookies despite that, knowing that,
like get this Xavier Hutchinson stuff out of here. It's
just come on, guys, this is just ridiculous. Like you,

(54:23):
Jalen Nole low key, Jalen Knowle could could realistically be
like the next like slot superstar. Yeah, like he has
that in him, Like I I mean, I love him
as a prospect, so maybe I'm a little bit biased,
but he's looked so good when he's been out on
the field.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Even more so for a look at Waidwire because they
play the Titans this week, so if one of them
pops off this week, you're gonna spend a ton of
them next week.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
On the way we're Wire, right, Yeah. Uh. There's also
Luther Burden. I think that there's a chance that that
there's an uptick in usage this week because that's what
rational coaching says. And he's still and fewer than ten
percent of leagues. They get Pittsburgh next week, Josh Palmer
is going to be back. It sounds like, and the

(55:07):
Bills really need another down, like a real down the
field threat and someone that could could be they got. Yeah. Yeah,
there you go. He's been great.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
It was not bad last week.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, for the first time since Week one.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Okay, well week one.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
He is pretty good too, h Josh Palmer. I think
could be on your radar and deeper leagues and just
to just to see like what the deployment looks like,
because I do think they need a little bit more consistent.
I mean, I know they need more consistency from their
wide receivers Breton Strange and so that's a tight end
to keep in mind. I don't know if we're going
to see like massive target chairs for him, but definitely
a tight end to have in your back pocket. And

(55:46):
then at defense, Cleveland as is roster in about half
of league's they get Vegas next week, Atlanta they have
a stretch run where they get pretty good matchups. They
get New Orleans next week. You can use them this
week too, and then San Francisco gets Carolina and Carolina
one of the better matchups for fantasy defenses.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
There you go. I've actually gotten a good idea for
the Bills in the off season, and that is to
find like a true wide receiver one I don't know
if they've thought about this.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
I mean the fans, I know Bill's fans have been
saying they need to do something for literal years at
this point.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah, it's kind of like Golan.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Was a questionable draft pick. He was a questionable prospect.
So it's really invest.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
The Packers never drafting a receiver in the first round
and in this past is like, oh they get now
they got Golden.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Yeah, but Goldal was always more of like complimentary yeah,
not full blown alpha, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
But we did not expect Christian Watson to come back
to be this guy that he is now.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I think he's actually on the injury report, but I
think we're expecting him to uh to play. But yeah,
get Bill's just go ahead and get a get a
stub wide receiver so we can have some fun with
Josh Allen. That's all I'm saying. All Right, let's wrap
this thing up. We've got the quad box to talk about. JJ.

(57:12):
I'm just gonna tell you that the Dolphins play at
home this week, but it's in Spain. Yeah, and it's
in Madrid, so not quite the home matchup that you
think they might have.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, I probably, I'm sure at some point on the show,
I said it's in Miami, and I just I haven't
heard about it.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Last week that the game in Germany, it was kind
of a dud. Did you think it was a dud
except if you had Jonathan Taylor. If you had Jonathan Taylor,
then it was fine.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Drake London was good. It was a good game. Alec
Pierce balled out.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
He was Robinson. Though in your home league it was
a dud.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
So it was a dud for you. Yes, I thought
it was a great game. Yeah, all right, you go first,
you go first this week for the quad box.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
All right, I'm gonna go first, and I'm gonna actually go. Boy,
that Texans Titans total is pretty high up there, but
I'm going to go Bears Vikings.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Okay, I'm gonna go Bengals Steelers for mine because the
last time, big surprise, last time they faced off, there
was fantasy.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Fireworks, surprise surprise.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I'm really excited for that game.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Okay, in a real life game, this Chiefs Broncos game
would be pretty fun. It is crazy how low scoring
they think this Cowboys Raiders game is going to be.
So let's go with Brock Party coming back in this
fort nine Ers Cardinals game.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
I really want to do Buccaneers Bills, but I think
that it.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I almost did that.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
I have a chance to just be more boring than
we expect. Yeah, my opinion because the Bucks have not.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
No, I'm changing mine. Sorry, I'm changing it.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I was gonna go to that.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
No, sorry, this is mine. Seahawks Rams shootout. Let everybody,
let everybody play full throttle.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Okay, all right, then I'll go. I'll go forty nine
Ers Cardinals because of party being back.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Oh where do you get your ideas?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I think you could go though. I think you could
easily go Bucks bills, the Lions Eagles. That's a Sunday
night football game too.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, Lions and Eagles will be fun. If if the
Lions get out to an early lead.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Is that really the Is that really the total for
the Cowboys?

Speaker 2 (59:42):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
I feel like there's no it's fifty and a half.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
So maybe I bet I got my copy and paste
messed up.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Yeah, I'm like, there's no way that's forty one and
a half. Zero chance every Cowboys game is like well
over fifty points.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah? Does that don't let the total?

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
It doesn't change. I mean, it doesn't change who I
want to watch, because.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Yeah, don't let the total pick who you want, JJ,
just yeah, go buy who you want to watch. I
do think though, if we get some like shootout games
like Seahawks only dropping back what eleven times last week
you had in the trends the data.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Dump, Yeah, and then the I mean even the the
Jets got off to a lead because of like defense
and special teams and stuff, and so they only threw
it eleven times. I think the Seahawks had thirteen dropacks. Yeah,
so we.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Just need we need that game to just to open
up so that Jaysn can get all the love that
that he deserves, that he deserves.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
We want to see a little Rahet Shaheed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yes, you know, yes, maybe maybe some Tory Horton. I
don't back banged up man coming back though, you know,
on the opposite side, not just Adams, not just Puka.
They got a tight end Terrence fergus Terrence Ferguson, T
ferg who you know. I know they're spreading out targets

(01:01:06):
among those three, but they're talking about like this coach speak,
Hey crazy not to get this guy more involved.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, so yes, you would.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Be all right, JJ, you have any final thoughts about
today this week.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I don't you know, like I said, excited about Travon Henderson.
Hopefully you guys have a clear picture where my head's
at after the twenty minute discussion about him earlier the past.
I'd love to hear feedback in the comments on this
show on YouTube or on Spotify or wherever about how
you felt about me breaking down the Trayvion stuff in

(01:01:43):
that way, if you like that kind of deep diver,
or if you just want us to move on and
talk about more news items.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yeah, and I will just say again, we have this
survey that you can fill out, and there was one
response that said, the new guy is kind of stiff.
No offense the new guy, if he's reading this, I
don't know your email, but new uh that guy. I
want to say, I heard, I heard your feedback, and
I will try not to be as stiff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
He hasn't been as stiff today.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, Well on behalf of JJ.
I'm David and UH we appreciate you all. Everyone go
check out the UH Perspective show with Michael f. Florio.
I had the same question that you did JJ, so
I'm glad that you just opened it up, open it

(01:02:33):
up with with the name we also got the mail bag.
I thought you had a really good question for especially
for the Nubes who have not been basically like always
listened to the show. I thought that that can actually
be an evergreen show, which probably should probably to talk
about that this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, the adjusted the adjusted points stuff like what.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Yeah points again? So and then also we have the
patriot that we have So love you guys, Thanks for
your support, and we'll see you next time here on
the Late Round Fantasy Football Show.