The Show: Wide Receiver Performance, Look-Ahead Waivers, and More

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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dot com slash at Late Round FF. So, without further ado,

(00:20):
here's this week's episode.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome In. Welcome In. It's Late Round Fantasy Football Show.
I'm David Kitchen, the COO, also the guy with the
perfectly normal, healthy voice.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Right now it is better you feel you guys hear this.
You can you can hear it. There's still a little
bit going on there. Yeah, you're you're doing a lot better.
I do want to say this is, by the way,
this is JJ Zach g Reaesson. You might know him
from the uh Late Round podcast late imagine being imagine
being subscribe to the podcast feed but not knowing who
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Someone said in the discord that they didn't know, like
I think it was a mid Perspectives episode or whatever
it was, that they didn't know which was which was which?
Your voice has been a little weak this week.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
What are you saying? Which was which? They said that they.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Didn't recognize the voices and they they thought something was
up with their their speakers.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Uh oh, you mean they couldn't recognize that I have
that I had a screwed up voice. Yeah, yeah, which
is crazy to me because I mean, even now you
can kind of hear the rasp, but I can't hear this.
Especially yesterday's show was easily I think the worst that uh.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
That I I referenced it to shaky Wi fi, like
you're just kind of expecting it to go out, but
you held on, just like people's Week fourteen teams. I
do want to say though, I knew this was coming
because when we were talking about the possible Godulla high yeah,
and we're like, I was like, well, and what if

(02:08):
you get like sick during a week, And you're like, well,
I've never gotten sick.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
No, it's something I haven't on sick.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
I look, I have podcasted through COVID.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
I have.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
But like, I know, it's inevitable that you will get
knocked down. Yeah, but just like they say in tub thumping.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
You get up again, I'll get up again. You're never
gonna keep me down. But no, so I uh, you know,
I know that you drink a whiskey drink and a
vodka drink. Is that what it wasmes? It helps, yeahs
it helps.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
But I have not missed a show in the season,
you know, aside from like holidays and stuff like that.
I haven't missed a show in the in the eight
years that I've been doing the Late Round podcast. And
I hope that that continues for the next thirty you know.
I hope that I'm able to you know. I feel
feel very lucky that even like when I had COVID
at the peak of COVID, like you know, in like

(02:58):
twenty twenty one or whatever, that even then, it wasn't
bad enough that I couldn't podcast through it. It wasn't fun,
definitely wasn't fun, but I still did podcast through. I
do want to read one comment on Spotify that we
got today that I thought was just hilarious. It was
from Jordan, and Jordan said, Kitch, so this is to you, right, okay, Kitch,
you couldn't fill in for your boy for one episode

(03:20):
so he doesn't have to come on here. Sounding like
Doc Rivers, It's very good.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, you do not want me filling in? I am
I gotta say. I mean, my role is not to
provide content. My role is to be the voice of
the Normy view or the Normy listener out there, so
it'd just be like Normy's leading normis and nobody, nobody
wants that I do.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Sometimes I'm not gonna lie, like, the worst part of
the podcast for me is actually the delivery part of it,
because the fun part for me is the research and
coming up with answers and all that kind of I
love it so much, but I'm all done with that
by the time I go to records, so all I
have to do is record.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
And when you're doing it solo, it's not nearly as fun.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Like I love doing this show because you never know
what's really gonna pop up, and you know, we're having
a conversation and stuff, and when you're having a conversation
with someone else, you're at least you know. There's this
unpredictability to it where you're doing a show and you're like,
I don't I don't know fully what's gonna happen. But
when I'm doing the solo show, I know exactly what
I'm gonna talk about, So I kind of just wish
I could hit a button that maybe AI and five

(04:33):
or some years will well, I mean maybe even in
just a year. Uh, you know, I could just hit
a button and it would it would have the same cadence.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
And flow that it typically would.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
But look, I mean by the end, by the end
of me recording. I've talked to Kitchen about this. When
I do the solo show, oftentimes I'm sweating because it's
just me and obviously I cut stuff so like it'll
be like twenty five minutes for a twenty minute show
or something like that, and my my ring will tell
me that I've burned like two hundred and fifty calories
after after doing a solo show.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
You're like Ripken mixed with like Michael Phelps next.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Well, we don't need to go that far. I'm just
saying Phelps.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
You know, it's like you have to eat your calories
to uh prepare for your your podcast because.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Easier to get rid of some of these LB's that
I'm trying to get rid of right now, you you
and me both, all right, this is a down and
nerdy show.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's an interactive show. Here's my question. I'm not going
to give out any names, but we got a message
from the wife of a listener M and they are
a hardcore fantasy football person, and she said, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
What to get this guy. Yeah, can you help me out?
I don't know what. I don't know what to get
them either. Yeah, And so that's why maybe maybe a
lay round prospect.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I mean, listen, Then we talked about investing in something
and something valuable, something could be of worth. Yeah, sure,
but other than like an East Coast Dad shirt or
something like, what would you think? So here's the question
and you can answer it in the comments. You can
answer it if you're listening to this later. What's what
would be like a good gift for a fantasy football

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guy in your bucket?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Ethan in chat says blood pressure meds, which is which
is very far.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Honestly what would be good.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
But we'll probably talking about that more in the patreon.
I guess we'll have a whole discussion about it. Maybe
JJ will go over his his buckets thing at some point.
And speaking of that, Hey, join us in the patreon.
It's it's a fun time. You should subscribe to us
on YouTube and like and everything else. But if you

(06:53):
really want to be in the community community, come hang
out with us in the in the Patreon and that's
in the discord, which is a part of Patreon. So again,
interact with us, leave us comments. And JJ, are you
ready to get to the notes because it's really like
very focused on one team. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
I have a feeling on what team that is. Bill, Yeah,
let's get to it, all right, Today's fantasy news. Okay,
let's just go with the first. What happened last night? Okay,
you guys switched the tab over on the on the
Oh I thought I did? There you go, I had
two tabs, yeah there you okay, Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, last night we have two tabs open. All right,
So as far as what happened last night, give your
just overall assessment.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, Jamiir Gibbs has been used a lot more as
a pass catcher with Dan Campbell calling plays, which has
been really good to see, you know, well good for
people who have Jamir Gibbs. So that's been nice. He's
been dominating obviously, a really good matchup for him against
Dallas this week.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Dallas has been a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Better against the run though, to be fair, since they
made that move with the Jets. And so I do
think that we should you know, like even Gibbs didn't
have like that crazy of a rushing line last night.
It was just all receiving and him getting more work
through the air. Maybe that had something to do with
amanas Same Brown not being one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
They said they're gonna line him up at receiver.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, but look, ARSB didn't look that bad last No,
he made that one play late where he looked like
his normal self, which I mean, props to him.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
That dude is incredible. So I started him in.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
My main or I did not start him in my
main home league, and I need to win this week,
but I'm like, I just can't do it.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
So last night, did you not reference the rankings kitchen?
I did, But it was I just you had a feeling.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I had a feeling like I was like, what if
he's just like a limited snap count? Like I need
I just and so when he was like catching those balls,
I was like, all right, don't do anything, like, don't
do anything too good.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
I don't want to. I don't want a bunch of men.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
He had a good he had a good outing, but
you know, he didn't find the end zone. So it
was like it was crippling for you it's not like
Ben Jack Gibbs or something last night. But yeah, like
I thought aman Ros saying Brown looked good, Jamison Williams
continues to be involved a little bit more, you know,
getting a little bit more of.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Those crossing routes.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
I've said this before though, Okay, I said this on
the on ten trends a few weeks ago. I think
that a lot of people just assume that he's getting
more of those routes. And he might have last night,
and I haven't looked into the data. It's not so
much that he's getting more, so he's getting targeted on
those routes. His a DOT is so much lower since
Dan Campbell took over because they're actually targeting him on
those on those routes. Remember, average depth of target is

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average depth of target, which means when they're actually targeted.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
That's what we're counting for the depth.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's not average depth of routes, you know, it's not
it's not how they're actually running. I think I would
imagine his average up of route maybe changed a little bit.
I don't really know how you would measure that to
be fair, but you know, I would imagine that that's
changed maybe a little bit, but uh, the the depth
of target is really what's changed a lot for Jmo
because they are giving him closer to the line of

(10:04):
scrimmage looks. And when you are getting targets closer to
the line of scrimmage, your catch rate increases.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
There's more conversion.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
You know, you're not just getting stuff down the field
that's a lot more difficult to you know, you can
become more boom bust, which is exactly what we were
seeing with Jamo earlier in the season. So I think
that's been good. So the Lions offense big plus. Obviously,
the big news from the game was Ceedee Lamb. Yeah,
and that horrible concussion that he sustained where he was
in the fencing posture after he hit his head on

(10:32):
the on the turt or.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
On the on the ground in the end zone.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
And you know, Ryan Flinoy stepped up and had a
pretty good game from a receiving standpoint. I thought last
night was George Pickens's worst game of the season in
terms of just like general effort if you will.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, that was the big Like that's what you do
not want heading into like the playoffs. You know, you
don't want any sort of drama because the Cowboys had
been relatively drama free from Pickens, Like.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, I mean there's been like some random stuff like
he sat out that first drive when Ceedee Lamb sat
out the first drive.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
A couple of games ago.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
But against the Raiders, was it Yeah, but like yeah,
I mean, I I'll say this, and this is kind
of like anecdotal, and you know, it's just a little story.
But I went on Twitter a couple of weeks ago
and I was talking about how the Steelers, you know,
I was talking about the Steelers and how like d
the DK Metcalf trade, in my opinion, which is really bad,

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Like they DK Metcalf was coming off arguably his worst
season of his career and they give him this huge
contract and they sent a second round pick while getting
a third round pick for George Pickens, And you know,
I was met with the typical you know, Steelers fan.
It's so funny whenever I do that, as if like
they don't realize that I grew up as a Steelers
fan and like grew up in Pittsburgh and like know

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that city and culture just as well as they do.
But regardless of that, you know, a lot of people
were coming at me just being like, you know, George
Pickens is a head case. They had to get rid
of him, and blah blah blah blah bla uh and
and so naturally I logged onto Twitter this morning and
there was someone in my mentions, uh talking junk because
CD yes that game. I'm like, I'm like, how are

(12:10):
you talking talking junk right now? Whenever DK Metcalf hasn't
done anything since like week five or you know they're
bye around that time.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
But regardless, like I think.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
That that, Yes, there is the off the field stuff
with Pickens that sometimes translates to a lack of effort
like we saw last night, Like you know, could he
have been a little bit more aggressive and getting some
of these the past, even the.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
One that was picked.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Could he have been more aggressive and going after that? Yeah,
of course, we'll see how he responds. We'll see if
you know, the one thing with Ceedee Lamb being concussed
is that he does get a little extra time because
it was a Thursday night game.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yes, yes, but.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
A right someone I saw someone saying that like if
you just looked at people past people that went through
the fencing response that like it's it's that's not good.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Usually it takes a little bit of time.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, I mean, I'm certainly I look, whenever I say that,
I'm certainly saying that I hope first and foremost that
he is healthy and it's not them like, you know,
I'm not putting fantasy first, but I am saying, you
have those extra four days. You know what we've seen recently,
and I don't have the data, but it does seem like,
you know, eighty to ninety percent of the time when

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a player gets a concussion, he's out the next week.
You know, like it's just it's just that's the reality
of where we're at right now, and that's good. I'd
rather than you know, be on that side than you know,
aggressively put them back in the lineup. But if Ceedee
Lamb is out, I would imagine George Pickens. You know,
we saw Pickens without Lamb earlier this season, and he
was a stud and I would imagine he'd be He'd

(13:37):
be pretty studley for fantasy purposes if Ceedee Lamb's out.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
And this is where those first round buys are crucial
with stuff like this.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, if you have Ceedee Lamb, all right, let's get
on to Arizona. Spill the tea. Boy.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
We have, I mean, just a lot to talk about here.
Trey Benson. Hey, let's open up the practice and then
not know if he's gonna come back this season.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
So here's the thing with the practice windows stuff. He
technically I think it closes on like the tenth So
I'm pretty sure they can activate him and then he
could technically play next week if they if they were
to activate him, Okay, but they haven't activated as a
whole point, right right, right, But when I'm prefacing this, yes,

(14:24):
I'm pretty sure that's that's how it works. And I'm
if I'm wrong, like you guys can fact check, but
I'm pretty sure that's where we're at with Trey Benson
right now.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
And I'm just saying that because a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Are asking if they should drop him, and you could, yes,
you know, like I know that I recommended him as
a buy a handful of weeks ago as a highly
you know, obviously a high variance by because he was
banged up, and they but they get they get Cincinnati
in week seventeen, and so you got to basically row,
like if there's one guy that I would roster outside
of Trey Benson is uh, sorry, I was reading one

(14:58):
of the comments if never mind, but but the one,
the one running back that I would uh roster outside
of Trey Benson has to probably be Bam Knight at
this point because to me.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
I'm Mario Demarcado healthier now.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
He probably kind of clashes more in terms of usage
with Michael Carter, which could be could come in handy
this week because they play the Rams are probably gonna
be a negative game script.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
But Bam Knight, I.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Mean he's consistently seeing like you know, sixty ish percent
running back rush airs.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
He'll see some work through the air. That's kind of
the direction that I would.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Go in if if you you know, as the number
two outside of Benson, if Benson's out, it.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Would it would just be Bam Knight.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Okay, and then see I was gonna go through all
of them. You're even letting me go through all of them.
There's sorry, sorry, let's just let's just okay. Benson, Kyler
Murray not coming back right on the eye off, not
surprising though not right not surprising, but like today they
announced he's not coming back. You've got Kyler murray on

(16:03):
your redraft teams feel free to drop them. And then
you also have MHJ. Martin Harrison Junior not playing this
week and the other surprise, Greg Dortsch is out. And
I see your response says Xavier Weaver season. And when
I saw you post this in the discord, I thought, oh, honey,

(16:27):
your sickness to get into your head because I didn't
know you were talking about Cardinals. I just like I
thought you were saying xavier'er worthy, Like you said, this
is Lokia Azavier worthy or a Zavier Weaver game, and
I thought, oh, he's I'm not being that serious. To
be fair, I know, but no, I thought that you
were many meaning to say xavier' worthy. Most people don't
know who Xavier Weaver is unless you bought the prospect guy.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
So two years ago he came out Colorado.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
If I recall correctly, he was a He's a smaller
framed wide receiver who in college was able to do
a lot.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Of deep work.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
He actually had you know, I've changed the breakout score
methodology a little bit year over year, but he actually
had like an above average breakout score, which is not
something that you typically stee from like an undrafted type player.
But he's probably gonna run the second most routes at
wide receiver for Arizona this week. He did have a
hamstring injury or not hamstring, he popped up with some injury.

(17:24):
I'm thinking about Pat Bryant. He popped up with some
injury on yesterday, and so I'm assuming that he's gonna
be good to go this week. So if he's not,
then I don't even know where we're looking, you know,
at wide receiver for I mean, I wouldn't look honestly
at any other wide receiver. I wouldn't be looking at
Xavier Weaver either, unless you're in a real like I

(17:46):
might have to start him in an incredibly deep league.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
So don't judge me when I say that it's a
very very deep league.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
But I but I really, you know, in most twelve
team leagues, you should not be looking at Xavier Weaver.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
But look negative game script.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
They've been throwing it more than any other team in football,
the Cardinals have, so there could be like a six
to seven target game.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
You know, something along those lines for Xavier Weaver this week.
And if that's the case, he might be a little
bit usable.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, but other than Xavier Weaver, I mean, if you've
got Trey McBride or Michael Wilson on your team, yeah,
just just be blessed.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Trust me, buddy. I need with my Trey McBride exposure
in Best.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Ball Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
And with the forty nine ers and Patriots being on
a buy this week, yes, I need a legacy game
from Trey McBride.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
It would be phenomenal. All right. Speaking of T. T
Higgins is back this week.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Isn't it nice to have T Higgins, Jamar Chase and
Joe Burrow playing in a like a meaningful game.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Isn't that fun?

Speaker 3 (18:49):
The Boys are back and the Boys are back? Yeah? Yeah,
I mean like it's an okay matchup. I think t
should be in your lineup, you know, in most lineups
if you've got them. You know, it's a little bit
of a for Joe Burrow. This Bengals team, it's like
I feel like it's like deja vous from last year,
where you know, they really their offense was incredible down
the stretch last year and they were winning some games,

(19:10):
but it was just too little, too late, And that's
where we're basically.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
At right now.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
They can still get in though, like they need they
need like the Ravens to beat the Steelers, and then
they need to be able to beat you know, Baltimore
all this kind of stuff, But like they can still
realistically get in it. And it's not like like Pittsburgh
and Baltimore are trending in the wrong direction right now.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
So never say never. It's the NFL.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
We see crazy stuff happen all the time, and it's
nice that they are competitive right now because you know,
there there's obviously some very very big fantasy assets on
that team.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
All right, more Kincaid Kinkaid. We've got Dalton Kincaid, who
we thought was gonna come back possible, but now his knee,
he's deal with a hammy, but now his knee popped
back up on the injury report, So not sure if
he's gonna play this week.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, I think he was like limited again maybe today. Uh,
And they don't know exactly what's going to go on, uh,
you know with him, and so you know, if he
does go, Cincinnati is an incredible matchup.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
They basically are allowing three times the amount of points
per game to team tight ends above expected versus any
other team in football. Like, it's it's crazy how bad
they've been against the tight end position. So if if
Dalond kink goes, you gotta play him. Then if he doesn't.
You know, I didn't mention this on the Sleeper Show.
I should have added it as sort of an aside.
Dawson Knox becomes at least some sort of streamer for

(20:34):
you this week.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
If if k can't go, all right, we've got Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yay Daniels, no more Mariota, do you want to set
the record after hearing Mariota coming out and saying that
it is kind of how you pronounce his name, because
there's a little bit of back and forth on this
week's Way Wire or Not Way Wires Show, Living the
Stream Show.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Ye, look, Mariota is how I would say it. But
I know that they really want to stress the tea.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
When he answered that question, he was answering it for
the for the a sound, not really for the tea party.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
He was he was answering it for the for the
Mario marriage.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I always told you it's it's Mariota and it's Camara, right, correct, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
And so it's Marcus Mariota but he was stressing the
tea and sure I could say Mariota, is that better
Marcus Mariota.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
When Dinny was saying Minnesota, I always like it.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Man, that's good. Okay.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
But Jayden Daniels though, starting this week, and they obviously
have Terry McLaurin now like nice little offense too.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, he's a QB one this week. For me, I'll
probably even bump up a little bit more than I
had him entering Thursday night. But yeah, I think that
you know, when these injuries happen where it's not it's
not his throwing arm, it's not his legs, you know,
you got to hope that he's in game shape. But
it hasn't been like that long and so I'm not
like overly concerned about him having setbacks. And this is

(22:08):
another example of you know, like we get people talking
all the time this time of year where they're like, oh,
is this team gonna shut this guy down as they're
in the end. You guys, these are professional football players
and they want to play football, you know, like this
is what they do for their job, and they don't
want to just stop playing because they want to prove
that they're I mean all of these guys. In order

(22:28):
to be in the NFL, you have to have a
pretty you have to have a ton of confidence, and
you have to have a pretty big ego and all that,
especially a quarterback, right, and these guys want to play,
and so if he's healthy, he will play. It's no
different than Joe Burrow. Like I would hope that the
Bengals are not throwing out Joe Burrow if he's fifty
percent there. You know. Similarly, I hope that Washington's not

(22:49):
throwing Jade Daniels out there if he's only sixty percent
through this injury, because that would be really bad for
for a lot of reasons.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
But I like, if he's healthy, he's healthy.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
You know, if a players healthy, you don't just not
play him just because you're out of it, you know.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
So he's gonna play. I think he can be effective.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's not the best matchup in the world, but I
don't you know, like you said, Terry mclaurin's back, they
were playing in a dome this week, so it could
definitely be worse.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, with the Joe Burrow thing, my my arch nemesis
in my home league. The guy, you know, everyone's got
that one guy you just want to beat and you
talk trash. And he dropped Joe Burrow this season, and
so I picked him up off the waivewire. I had
the most most fab and and it's a super flex league,
and so this week he's having to start like Alec

(23:38):
Pierce at.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
The super flex spot.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, and I just I just kind of let him know,
you can't.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Be dropping quarterbacks like that.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, just kind of let him know, Hey, I don't
know what happened, but thanks man, which he was thrilled about.
But I was a little ticked because then it kind
of it happened to me in this sense that someone
picked up off the waiver wire. It's this is an
act of league. Someone picked up off the waiver wire
Mike Evans yesterday or two days ago when it came

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out there.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
And I was ticked that I did not think of that.
That like, how did Mike Evans slip through the cracks? Right?
I was ticked. That's the same thing a you problem
it is. I was ticked to myself. JJ okay, okay, good, yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
To that point, not I put not so fast Evans
sniper guy on the title here, because he's not going
to be playing this week.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, but I'm expecting him in week fifteen. Yeah, so
if he's out there, you guys should be adding him.
I haven't talked about him on fifteen transactions because he's
still rostered in like sixty percent plus of leagues, so
I couldn't I couldn't bring him up.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
But yeah, but a lot of times what happens when
you're adding players is like you're looking at the projections
for that week, and so these guys aren't there.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Sure, yeah, I do think that.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
So there was a point made by Hayden winks he
sent a tweet out of expected Fantasy points when all
three of these guys were healthy, sox to Buca, Chris
got one of Mike Evans, and basically, you know, as
you would expect, Abuka has higher expected Fantasy points without
these guys than with them, so.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
It should hurt him, you know a little bit.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Like it's not like he's been doing that much recently anyway,
But there is a little bit of concern for Abuka
next week as Evans gets healthier.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
But I still think that Abuka can be like a twenty.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Percent target share player in an offense with Godwin and Evans,
and like the problem with him has not been volume,
it's just been efficiency and the ability to connect with
Baker Mayfield. So I actually think that Abuka could still
perform better than he has been over the last handful
of weeks.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
It's almost hard for him to not perform a little
bit better.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
But you should definitely be adding Mike Evans right now
if he's out there. It's also good for Baker. Don
don't forget about that if Baker's on your waiver wire,
because he has been ever, I mean, he's It was
really funny I was I was going through when I
was looking at quarterback points per game, and I remember,
just out of the blue that one of my bold
predictions at the beginning of the season was that Trevor
Lawrence was gonna out score Baker Mayfield and points per game,

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which was a terrible prediction in hindsight, But was it
Because right now, Sir Lawrence is only zero.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Point one points per game behind Baker Mayfield, which is
absolutely wild. So so we'll see.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
What happens, all right, since you brought up Igbuka, we
did just get a report from Dan H. Weiderer, says
romadon day status for Sunday and Green Bay seems very
iffy at the moment. Will be interesting to see how
the Bears handle things. If he can't go, I'll.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Tell you how they'll handle things. It's gonna be a
Luthor Burden season. You better learn Luthor Burden the third.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, I'm excited for for Luthor Burden. I'm not excited
if a Doonesday misses though, because I need him for
you know, personally for for some teams and stuff. But
he has not been on the same page as Caleb Williams.
I said this in discord today.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
It seems a little.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Weird to me that people keep like giving the excuse
and like like keep making excuses for Romadoonza despite the
poor performances, when they just don't do that for other
wide receivers who would be in a similar spot.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Obviously last year it's the coaching staff and the quarterback
play and such, and sure, and the competition because Keenan
Allen and.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
DJ Moore were there. Sure I get it. Like that's fine.
I talked about all that on episode nine to ninety.
You can go look at that the gray Area Fantasy Football.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
But then this year it's like Okay, what, like, what
exactly is the excuse right now? Is it that Caleb
Williams sucks that the route tree isn't great? And you know,
I saw some really good analysis from Matt Harmon talking
about how they're getting him in motion and that's a
lot to ask for, and like he's a little bit
like his timing on his routes is a little bit
off because he's in motion and he's a younger player,

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so he's not totally in sync with what's going on
with the offense. And then on top of that, obviously
he's had this like this foot injury. And I'm not
saying that that Romadunza is a bad player at all.
I'm just it's just interesting to me that there are
these excuses that exists. And I really want to just
see Luthor Burden featured a little bit more and running,

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you know, like they've been getting Rome more involved in
the slot recently, they're moving them around a bit, and
the production just hasn't been there, like period, it just
hasn't been there, And I want to see what Luther
Burden can do with with similar opportunity.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Same And the other issue is that like they're winning,
you know, so like they're.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
It's the run game though. The run game's cooking, right, yeah, yeah,
which is not great for the other fantasy part.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
It's like when the Eagles running game is cooking, it's
like kind of sucks for everybody involved.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
I mean, my fourteen percent, Kyle Mnunga.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Is not Yeah, all right, all right, when you like,
let's say that Rome continues this trend, are you going
to go back to that Reddit thread and just put.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
C No, of course not.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I would never do something like that. No. Look, look
the whole Roma dunze a mecha Buca thing. I called it,
you know, close to a fifty fifth thing back in May,
and I went with a Buka because I thought that
it was a good reroll situation. And right now, if
you look at most Dynasty rankings, you know, keep trade
Cut has a Buka at wide receiver nine, a dunes

(29:12):
Ay wide receiver sixteen. People are sick of me talking
about this. I'm not gonna like dig into a deep
but I do think that, like it's a really good
because there was another trade in that same exact email,
by the way, where I had traded Jaden Reid and
both Colts quarterbacks for bo Nicks, and I think there
might have even been a draft pick involved. And in hindsight,

(29:34):
it's really not as lopsided as everyone just assumed it
was when it first happened, because Daniel Jones hit right.
I'm not saying that like we should evaluate all trades
just based on the result, because we shouldn't. The process
is just as important. But I do think that it's
just a good example of, like why I did that
Gray Area Fantasy Football episode in the first place, is

(29:55):
that none of this stuff is as black and white
as you think it is, and it never will be
been with really good players, And so I think it's
important to have that in mind as we, you know,
discuss all this stuff and as you think about your.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Own fantasy teams.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
All right, is the battery chargered? Uh? This is a
Chargers post because you got Justin Herbert who is on
track to play.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
But what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Also, what's it gonna be with Amarion Hampton this week
as well? So what's your And Quentin Johnson also has
popped up on the injury report. He wasn't practicing yesterday.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean, look, there's there's no Jalen Carter. Silly
and that's really big because the last time, I think
there's been two games.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
This is all from memory, so I could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Was Cowboys a game cow Boys in week one? Yeah,
because he he you know, had the penalty at the
very beginning, got ejected at the beginning of the game.
And then Javonte Williams had a good game. And then
the other one was, if I remember correctly, was the
Giants game, another primetime game, and then this will be
a primetime game. But the other one was the Giants game,
and that's when Cam Skataboo went bonkers and what just

(31:03):
ran all over them. And so this is a really
good This is a huge injury for the Chargers because
you have Justin Herbert coming off that surgery. He's banged
up and you don't probably don't want him to throw
that much. Oh by the way, this big body in
the middle of your defensive line is now out, and
so they should be able to run the ball more
or at least better than they otherwise would be able

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to be to be able to run. And so you know,
hopefully a Marion Hampton gets involved. I think if Hampton
plays this week, we're gonna see maybe like a sixty
forty situation. Yeah, it's gonna be pretty pretty split. But
then if a Mari and Hampton shows us what he's
capable of doing, then I think next week in the
Fantasy Playoffs, we're gonna feel better. And I think that's
a huge deal if we get Hampton this week, because

(31:46):
then we can be confident enough in knowing what that
workload might look like for Hampton in this single elimination
tournament in the Fantasy.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Playoffs, Hampton said this morning regarding the running back split
with Camanie videl Me and him, definitely gonna be special.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
You know what's fun about this is that both guys
I like this prospects and I'm very happy.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
For both of yea, and they're good guys, and they're
good guys to guys. Yeah, okay, this next thing is
just nine just yeah, I mean what that he's back.
He's back, he's out of concussion protocol. And we say
all the time, it can't get any worse, and we
actually I think we said that last week you can't

(32:32):
get any worse with Max Brosmerk.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yeah, I mean it did. I didn't think that, Like,
don't say it didn't. Like if you are a JJ.
The result was definitely worse. The result was definitely worse.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
But there it was like his mistakes were were exemplified
a little bit more than what we see with JJ McCarthy.
I'm just gonna say this, wait for the Bold Predictions
piece for us to talk about JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
All right. Quote someone said what is quoth in the comments?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
And I will just say, just go back and read
some Edgar Allen Poe because quote the Raven Maybe this
is a Lamar Jackson headline though, because he might not
play this week.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, I don't even know anymore, is my reaction to
to anything Baltimore talked about Lamar on the mail Bag today.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
You know, I don't think you can drop him.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
But at this point, now that we have even more
information since when I recorded that show, I would argue
that you probably are not going to start him this week,
like I'm gonna bump him down even more.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
I don't know if you can confidently rank him as
a QB one right now, just given the injury and
given how he's performed over the last the last few weeks,
and if he goes off, he goes off, you know,
and and you at least know that in the in
the Fantasy playoffs, he could he give you that production,
but right now it's just really tough to trust.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
We were talking a little bit in the chat and
I said, if I ask you, is he the most
kind of annoying player from just a fantasy perspective this year,
because it's like he's off, he's on, you feel like
you have to start him. It's almost like a poison pill,
you know. It's it's just been rough with him this year.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah, I mean I think that of my in season.
It sounds like he's going to play today. By the way,
literally a minute ago, Oh nice. Yeah, so Lamar will
be in, But again I think that there's risk involved.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
We'll see where I have him ranked.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
I think I can tell you right now that before
this all happened, I had him right below Jaydon Daniels
at QB twelve this week, and I think Daniel's going
to move up a little bit. But I have them
kind of in like the Brissett tier, you know, in
that area, more highly volatile than a guy like Brissette.
But yeah, I mean it's a I look back and

(34:56):
I think back on some of the fifteen transactions advice
that I gave this year, and I'm pretty pleased with
a lot of it, But by far the biggest miss
of my season was Lamar by.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Transaction falling knife kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Yeah, I don't even know. I don't even know if
I would have changed my process either.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
That's the problem is that, like it just it just
didn't work out, and he was not as healthy as
I thought he would be coming back. But but yeah,
it's a it's a rough situation if you have Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
All right, let's move on today's data. All right, what
do we have here? JJ?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
So I talked about this on the ten Trends episode
this week, where wide receiver it just sucks this year.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
It sucks. You know.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
I've often found getting feedback from players, especially now that
we have the discord and stuff and I've you know,
chatted with them for the last few years, I've found
that a lot of fantasy managers look within only the
scope of their one individual player that they have, you know,
and they're like, this wide receiver is not performing well,
you know, I can't, and they'll name a guy who's

(36:02):
been like fine within the context of the position. And
I think that This really sheds light to that if
you have wide receivers that have been struggling, you're definitely
not alone, because there's only been like eight or nine
wide receivers who have been pretty consistently good throughout the season.
And you could even argue some of them, like a
Nico Collins, you know, has been more of a roller

(36:23):
coaster than you would like. But what I did was
I looked at these different sort of lines in the
stand of different wide receiver thresholds by points per game
through the year since twenty eleven. So I looked at
the wide receiver six, the wide receiver twelve, the wide
receiver eighteen, the wide receiver twenty four, thirty and thirty six,

(36:43):
and I showed how many points per game those wide
receivers had in that individual season.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
So, for instance, in twenty.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Twelve, the wide receiver eighteen scored fourteen and a half
PPR points per game. Okay, the wide receiver twenty four
that same year thirteen point six, and so on. So
as you move left to right with his chart, with
his table, you're gonna get lower and lower numbers because
those guys are ranked lower and lower right.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
So in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
What I noticed was that the top six wide receivers,
so wide receiver six this year is scoring eighteen point
nine PPR points. When you look at the last fifteen seasons,
including this one, you'll find that that rank sixth out
of the last fifteen seasons. So it's an above average
season for the top wide receivers. JSN, you know, Rashi
Rice obviously crushing it, Puka, et cetera. They're all looking

(37:31):
pretty good. But then you look at the wide receiver twelve.
The wide receiver twelve right now is aj Brown. He's
averaging fourteen point seven PPR points per game. That's the
second lowest that we've seen over the last fifteen years.
Then you look at wide receiver eighteen, thirteen point four
PPR points per game. That's Wandel Robinson. I believe that's
dead last. That is the worst wide receiver eighteen that

(37:53):
we've seen since twenty eleven. You go down this list,
the wide receiver twenty four ranks fourteenth out of the
fifteen seasons, the wide receiver thirty ranks thirteenth, and the
wide receiver thirty six is twelve. Now, I'm not here
to give you, guys the answer as to why, because
I don't have time to dig into the answer as
to why. I'm simply giving you the descriptive data to
show that wide receivers are doing this right now.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
I think there's going to be reasons that some.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Of you guys are listening right now and you're like, oh,
this is why, Like this is why I believe this
is happening.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
There are going to be reasons. I just have not
sat down and really dug into it.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
And I don't want to say something that I haven't
really dug into enough because that's just not my style.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
So this is what's happening though at wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
And this is another thing like if you have JSN,
if you have one of these high end y amen
Ra Saint Brown, whoever, like one of the guys Drake
London when he's healthy, If you have one of those
wide receivers, you've been gaining such an edge over your
competition with those spots that if you have more average
running backs and average tight ends or whatever on your team,

(38:58):
like you are, like, those guys are massively helpful right now, uh,
you know, in fantasy football. So if I think an
easy way to look at this too, is if like
you look at your best ball exposure, if you if
you did play you know a number of best ball lineups,
because a lot of people will only have like two
or three managed season long league teams. If you look
at your best ball exposure and you're having a good season,

(39:19):
check and see if you got a lot of JSN
Check and see if you got a lot of DeVante
Adams or Pukaakua and I bet you you probably did.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
I bet you that's that's.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
One of the reason because you nailed or George Pickens, right,
because you nailed the wide receiver that is actually giving
you that edge and you didn't go after or maybe
maybe you faded like a Zay Flowers type who isn't
giving you that kind of ceiling, right, And so you know,
it's a it's pretty interesting to see how that the
top of the group is performing this year.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Someone said that, Yeah, I mean it's like when you
think about your your receivers, you're just hyper focused a
lot of times on what on what you have?

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yeah, And like someone in chat is saying, grabbing running
backs in the early rounds this year was my plan.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
It worked out well. Yeah, I think that once August Hit.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
If you listen to some of the shows that I
did with people and such, uh, you know, other analysts
bringing this up just as much as I did. But
like this idea that you could easily go running back,
running back and pound wide receiver because or even get
Trey McBride in the third because the wide receivers in
that like round four and five range were really really good,
like and I and we all knew some of them

(40:27):
were gonna pan out and we're gonna feel pretty good
about them. Obviously JSM was more of the third round guy.
And then you know, George Pickens has panned.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Out, Adams Monte Adams, right, and and so, and we
were actually talking about this earlier today.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
How I'm really one one thing that I am very
happy about, you know, as mad as I am about,
like the Lamar Jackson recommendation, the wide receiver recommendations in
the draft guide, we were pretty on point with with
these guys because it had Drake London, you know, it
had Davante Adams.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
George Pickens was another one.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
And then you know JSN I ranked a couple of
spots above ADP and.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
So hopefully like that helped too. But yeah, like like.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I have teams with Jamier Gibbs and Devon a Chan
right now that are just absolutely annihilating and destroying.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Christ McCaffrey and Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah right right, yes, that's even better, right, And and
so the other thing too, like I think a really
really good example of a player that you could just
look in the silo and be like, this guy's underperforming,
but actually in the grand scheme has not been that bad.
Tetoro McMillan is probably the the such a perfect example
of what I'm talking about. We're like, no, he hasn't

(41:32):
been this like massive massive league winner. He's definitely gotten better,
but he's he hasn't been this massive league winner. But
at the same time he has not been nearly as
bad as you probably think, like nearly as bad compared
to the rest of the position this year.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Really curious how uh kl kl kale and really cares
how much the kickoff changes affected this scoring. Probably probably
a good bit, probably decent bit, and it might be
interesting to have some sort of study in the off season.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
JJ, I'm sure that's coming. I'm sure it's it down.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Let's put it down now that we've got you know,
an extra extra toy in the the closet. We can,
we can have.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
That stuff, Like I said, like obviously that that that's
crossed my mind plenty with with the the field position stuff.
I just I don't want to talk about something that
I haven't researched, restaffed, and I just don't have time
right now to research that stuff in depth.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, like the Chimeri DK stuff. You see that he
leads the league.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
In all purpose yards. Yeah, this is a great returner. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
And someone in the group chat in my group chat said, hey,
I'm pretty sure that has to do with a kickoff role.
I was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure it does to
all right, that's why we did not hire him for
our senior analyst role.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
All Right, let's get onto it the late round, main events.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
All right, these are players you like more than consensus
this week where I started with Jacobisett and uh, I'm
guessing the injury doesn't affect the injuries do not affect
the ranking at all?

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Here, I mean and will it might a little bit,
but I'm still probably because I think it will affect
the consensus ranking as well, I'll probably still be a
little bit higher on him. I mean, we saw him
still be usable without Marvin Harrison Junior whenever keep time
with the appendectomy. So I'm not like massively concerned. Since
becoming starter, he's been QB seven twelve, ten, nine four
seven to ten. I have my QB nine this week

(43:28):
consensus QB twelve. Arizona has the highest pass rate over
expected in the NFL. They should be throwing the ball
out against the Rams because LA obviously can stop the
run and they're uh projected to I mean their big favorites,
the Rams are in this game, so I could see
a good negative game script a lot of passing. I
think Brissette is still a pretty strong play.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
They just need to be losing. Basically, you don't want
a close game. If you know, if you're starting any
of these guys, you want garbage time. Just don't look
at Brissett's stat line like in the first half.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Yeah, just go to the four. Just wait till the
game's over.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Wait till the game man's please, all right, you got
Travis etn as you're running back.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, to be honest with you, guys, like all four
of these this week, you know the positions that I'm
higher on the players that I'm higher on in each position,
I don't feel great about three of them, like Travis
Etn is one of them.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
I don't feel like. I don't really know.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Why I'm three spots higher than consensus this week, but
it's a middle of the road matchup by justin points allowed.
Last week, we did see his peripherals drop, but I
think part of that was probably game script driven and
just the general vibes of that blowout against Tennessee. I
do think there's a little bit of Recncy bias probably
going on with this ranking because he had five PPR
points last week, but it is four straight before that

(44:38):
he had fifteen plus BPR.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Points, So I don't mind Etn.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
I'm not gonna like scream from the rooftops that like,
I'm so much higher on him this week, but I
am a little bit.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Higher on all right.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
What about his teammting cover boy for this lead this
week's late und Fanas football show, Jacoby Myers.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
I do like Jacoby Myers a lot. That's probably the
one player on this list that I feel pretty good about,
as long as Parker Washington iseline, which I think is
a true fifty to fifty right now, maybe you can
look up and see if he's I think I.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Saw where he was practicing or expected to practice.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
He had a limited practice yesterday.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
But then Liam Cohen came out today and said basically like,
if he's out, you know, Dianmi Brown will step up
and this guy will step up. So, like, I don't know,
the coach speak wasn't necessarily all rosie for Parker Washington.
But you know, Kobe Myers man twenty four percent target
chairs over his last three eleven fifteen and twenty one
PPR points sas Gardner, I'm assuming this seat. Yeah, uh

(45:34):
so him being out better matchup for him on paper.
The Colts have been really bad at stopping wide receivers
in general, and I like the rapport and I like
what I've seen from Jacoby Myers with with Trevor Lawrence.
So I think I think Myers is like one of
those players right now that we have a little bit
of an anchoring bias with him because he played so
poorly with Vegas, But he's actually been kind of good

(45:55):
in Jacksonville because he's a good wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeap just needed some sort of offense there, all right,
This one is kind of like hold your nose, JJ,
because you got the tight end and you've got Kolbe Parkinson.
You've got him ranked Tighten nineteen, consensus tight end twenty three.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
It's dart throw range. Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Didn't really have a tight end, so of my tight
end rankings, I'd say anything after like sixteen or fifteen
is just total dart throw hope for the best.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
That's what we're hoping for with Kolbe Parkinson.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
He had a nineteen percent target share though last week
there's a high team total for LA is a top
ten matchup in both adjusted points allowed and target share
allowed to tight end. So put it all together, maybe
maybe he finds the end zone. He's been like top
twelve for the over the last month and end zone
targets too.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
At tight end, he's a couple of them.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
All right, let's get to your bold predictions.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Have you seen these yet? No? I have not. Well
that's fun.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Because whenever I checked the document, these weren't there yet.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
So you got RJ.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Harvey top five running back. I'm not even gonna scroll
to the other one other tab because I want to
be surprised.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
So I know, I know I've voiced concerned about r J.
Harvey's playoff schedule on fifteen transactions. But that's kind of
why I was, like, you know, I essentially said, don't
force it. I'm just letting you know that the schedule
is not very good in his usage from a snapshare perspective,
is not ideal yet in right now, right So it
could go in a lot of different directions. But this
week is not where the schedule's bad. This week, they

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get Vegas. It's a top five matchup for running backs
by justin points allowed. Denver's a big favorite. There's some
coach speak from from Sean Payton basically saying like, you
haven't seen what RJ. Harvey's capable of yet, you know
some of the some of that kind of vibe. But
he has a sixty five percent running back rush share,
nine percent target share over the last two games, almost identically,
Like that's basically what you have to project based on

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what we've seen over the last couple of games. So
I could see this week being a pretty good RJ.
Harvey week, despite the fact, you know, he scored twice
last week. One of them was one of the most
tilting fantasy experiences in my life.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
I don't know. We won't get into that. Yeah, we
don't need to get into that.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
If you were in the live game, Banter Channel and Discord,
you know, oh yeah, yeah it was Uh, it was.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Just not fun for a lot of reasons.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
But like, I has nothing to do with my with
me as an analyst, it's literally my individual leagues. And
then people are like, it's more of like the the
Leo DiCaprio, like one of us meme, you know, like when.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I get heat, tilts as much as I do.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, guys, Look, I tilt. I want to win.
I'm very competitive.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
I want to win my fantasy leagues, and when things
don't go my way over overtime.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
It's tilting.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
It's very frustrating. But yeah, RJ Harvey this week. I
need him this week too. So now I'm on the RJ.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Harvey train.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
But top five, top five running back. Look at your
face with this next bold prediction, next.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Pole prediction for the audio listeners. I'm in shock right
now because it's Minnesota drops thirty points on offense.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Yeah, man, you got to go with some vibes based
predictions sometimes, you know, although the vibes are pretty down
with the offense. Look, they're at home, they're in a
dumb Washington is top eight as an opponent for every
main position in fantasy football. That's just I know, that's
just fantasy. But it goes to show how bad they

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are defensively and how porous they can be defensively. What
if JJ McCarthy comes back and he's a little bit
you know, he's just he's just got a little bit
more juice and he's just ready to go, and they
and they post a thirty burger.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
I mean, it's Friday, and it feels like freaky Friday
with us like just swapping positions right.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Now with the uh, I'm just saying, man, I'm just like.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Ifs you never know, love a little all right, speaking
of look ahead way for a wire, he's first on
your list. I know it's my position, JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
JJ McCarty first on the list is a look ahead
waiver wire because they get Dallas next week. Dallas, isn't
I mean, if if if there's one defense to get
right with, it's it's the Dallas Cowboys. So uh, JJ
McCarthy against Dallas is the first one. As I as
I get to the next one, I'm gonna take a
swig of my my water out of my.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Okay, so people don't know you got so tilted that
you throughout your water jug Moli Cox, which was is
the water jugs game.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
So this is how like I was. I was.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
I was composed enough to look at my wife while
we were watching the Sunday night football game, and I said,
is it Amanda? I said, I need to throw something?
And I go and she goes, what And so I
grabbed my jug and I opened my back porch.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
He takes the kids and just holds the.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
And I take my jug and I just chuck it
outside because I just needed something.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
You know, you just need something to throw sometimes. Yeah,
it's healthy, yeah, yeah, right right.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I wasn't going to do anything suid, like really stupid
and and and so I I just got up grabbed
it off the counter. My backyard is pretty patio based, right,
It's got like it's got pavers and stuff. And I
just chuck it and I just hear it hit and
immediately know that Moli.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Cox died, which is what we call the so what
we call the jug. And so I got a brand
new one in the mail. Don't worry, guys, and it's green.
It's pretty, isn't it. This is Darnell Washington. This jug
that's awesome. All right.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
So you've got Tyrod Taylor against Jacksonville, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
These are not this week, but next week.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Yeah, I mean, like Tyrod Taylor against Jacksonville should be
fine enough. Aaron Rodgers against Miami. I'd feel best about
Tyrod Taylor of those three. But yeah, I mean I'm
not like really chomping at the bit to like put
them in my playoff lineup.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
You know what a handcuffs mean? Are those running backs
or quarterback handcuffs?

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Running back handcuffs, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (51:33):
So get all all your running back handcuffs, but non
handcuffs that aren't as obvious. Chris Rodriguez, he's getting more
work on the grounds. He's basically the early down guy.
Bam Knight and Amari de Marcado talked about them earlier.
Devin Singletary, we don't know that much about Tyrone Tracy
because they're on by this week. But he did have
that like stinger, like h hip injury or something, you know,

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against New England. Keaton Mitchell, who is a handcuff but
also is getting a little bit more work, just a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
And he's obviously explosive.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
And then a wide receiver, Jaden Higgins is still out
there in over fifty percent of leagues he's been He's
been doing well. Kayshan Boodie came back last week, scored
a touchdown and saw like seventy five percent of the
team's routes eighty. Mitchell crushing it. Talked about him like
eight times on the show this week, so I don't
have to get into that. Same with Devon Veley. He's
still out there in a lot of leagues. Luther Burden,

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I mean, broken record, I get it. But now that
a Dunze has this foot issue, I mean he's had
this foot issue, to be fair, right now, that seems
like it's coming to a head.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
I feel like we might we might see a little
bit more Luther Burton. You definitely want to be ahead
on Luther Burton.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
I think of all these players, I mean maybe like
an Ady Mitchell aside, but of all these players, I
think Luth Burton is the most intriguing if a Dounza
does not go, because we could hypothetically see a breakout
and if that happens like you, you want to be
a week ahead because that's going to be a blow
your fab kind of kind of situation with Luther Burton,

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Ryan Flanoy after last last night with LAMB, and then
Pat Bryant, who hopefully goes he had a hamstring issue.
Is limited, but we'll see what with Pat Bryant. Harold Fannin.
They get Chicago next week, he's still out there in sixty.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
One crazy roster nine percent.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
I know, I know, well, he's getting a lot of volume,
but he hasn't had that huge ceiling and that's why people,
I think are not as into getting Fannine.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
This week too.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, Darren Waller thirty seven percent rostered right now. They
get Pittsburgh next week, and then they get Cincinnati, and
then on defense, the Jags get the Jets next week,
the Bears get the Browns. I like the Bear Browns,
That's who I've been stashing in some leagues. And then
the forty nine ers get the Titans. That's also a
pretty good matchup. But I think Chicago, you know, playing
for something, you know, against Cleveland, and Cleveland's still been

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a pretty great defense or offensive stream against.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
That probably would be the pick.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
They'll probably end up being the fifteen transactions defense next week.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Yeah, that's good, and then the.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Forty nine ers could get blown out though you just
never know, thank you going. If you're going by vibes,
they could get blown out by the Titans next week. Yeah,
I mean that could be a bold prediction that I
make next week. If you're going with JJ McCarthy scoring
thirty took at the forty nine ers next week. Yeah yeah,
Like is that anything crazier than saying jab forty nine

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ers coming off a bie?

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Okay, Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I'm just merely pointing out that that bold prediction of
the vikings. I'm not sure I can get past that.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
Someone said JJ needs to go in one of those
rooms where you can smash things. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Look, it wasn't like that, guys, Okay, it was just
like a It was a very like like you got
I like, I said, you gotta be kidding me. Whenever
he scored the touchdown in overtime and then I got
up off the couch and I just looked and I
saw the jug and then I looked up Amanda, my wife,
and I said I need to I need to throw something.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
And I just grabbed it and threw it out the
the back door. Probably woke up a neighbor as it
hit the pavers.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Okay, all right, let's get on to the end of
today's show. All Right, we got the quad Box, which
we have to choose four games, and I'm not gonna
choose Titans against the Browns because honestly, who wants to

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watch that?

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Yeah, We're not doing Titans Browns. No, I'm gonna put
Bengals Bills first. Bengals Bills is a really good one.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Yeah, So Bengals Bills is one of the Quadbox games
I am going to go with.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
I'm gonna go with.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Because it's a really good, real football game. I think
like it's got a lot on the line.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
I'm gonna go with Bears Packers as as my top one.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I don't know if you heard the the swol cast
that I'm on this week, but in the overview, Pete
made a joke about Patrick Corrane, our buddy who has
been on the show before. Yeah, Ross during both defenses
was the background of that. Okay, So Patrick Krane won
two million dollars three years ago, Yes, and in the

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Underdog Bestball Millionaire and he was being chased by a
bunch everyone was.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
This is week seventeen.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
So in basketball, everyone's stacking these Week seventeen games, and
everybody's stacking this Bills and Bengals game. And so you
had a lot of teams in the final that were chasing.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Him the mar Hammlin game.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
And then the mar Hamlin game happened and they just
shut it down. And it's the least people that were
chasing him.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
They didn't get he was.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
He would still have been the favorite, though, right even
if they played out that game.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
There were some I mean there there were.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Some early scores and I don't know if he was
the clear cut favorite at all.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
He was, yeah, but it was still It's not like
he would have definitely lost, right, No, it's not like
he's definitely lost.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
But like when you go from like you just think
of like one player who scores like one two touchdowns
and moves you you moves you down like four or
five spots, you go from winning two million to like
one hundred thousand, which hey, I'll take, right, you know
I'll take.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
But still, yeah, so now we got a bills. I
didn't even think about we got the Bills Bengals again.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, all right, you chose Bears Packers yep, and uh,
I'm not gonna choose Commander's Vikings.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
I think I'm gonna go with uh.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
You know, I don't think I.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Know what you're gonna do. You're gonna go Texans Chiefs
because you always take Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
I'm gonna go with the Eagles Chargers, Okay, okay, just kidding,
I'm going Texans Chiefs. I do like Texans Chiefs. That
this whole narrative so this season being tilted on its
head with like the Chiefs possibly missing the playoffs, you
know that the Bills also be behind looking in like

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it's it's kind of fun and kind.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Of a reasonable there's a reasonable, reasonable game for game.
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with you know, every
year we get a good one, seems like, you know
what I'm gonna say, Chargers, Eagles, Steelers, Ravens Steelers, Steelers Ravens.
Oh gross, dude, Steelers Ravens. Is we just talked about

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Lamar You like you're not one of the best, one
of the best rivalries in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, sure, if you like thirteen to ten games. I'm
just saying you like thirty carries from the King for
two touchdown.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
It's gonna be some drama in this game, and uh,
you know, there's gonna be a lot of a lot
of gensers that are probably gonna be upset.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
It's gonna be really fun to watch, all right.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Uh like subscribe, leave a comment. Well again, the comment
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draft guide or or something to the to the winner.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah, yeah, come up with some good ideas. Also, you
can come up with some ideas for for my wife.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
That would be helpful. I'm just kidding for your wife,
like for you to get your wife for me.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Actually, I'm the pain in the butt every year because
I never, like, I never have anything on my list
for Christmas.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
So I'm not everything I want in you. Yeah, I
don't need. I don't need. What else do I need?
I got enough Dicky's tease, you know, I don't I
don't need any more. Of those, I'm good. A few
more pullovers. Yeah, all right, you have any final thoughts, no,
I hope everyone. Uh. First off, thank you guys for
putting up my voice this week.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
I know it's a lot better today, but it was
really rough and it was hard to record and all
of that, and so hopefully the flow of the shows
were fine.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
I just appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
I also appreciate, you know, the feedback we've gotten all
year and just the camaraderie of the season. I know
that the next month is going to be very, very
stressful for your fantasy teams and for your hobby, and
it is for for all of us. I will definitely
be having like a you know, tilt fests again. Hopefully
I don't throw this jug and lose that one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
But you know, I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I'm I'm there with you, and I hope that I
can at least, you know, finish this thing off and
and give you guys help you guys get a fantasy
title and hopefully the advice is helped throughout the season too.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
So just appreciate all of you guys for tuning in JJ.
It's helped me. That's all you need to know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
There we go, it's helped, it's helped me, and again
my advice everybody else, just hang on, Just hang on
Week fourteen, hopefully, if you've got Drake May you know,
I've got a lot of Drake made teams. You got
Christian McCaffrey, got these teams out there. Just hang on
and try to scrap your way to the fantasy playoffs,

(01:00:54):
and then you never know what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
So on behalf of JJ.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
I'm David and and we just thank you so much
for supporting us, and make sure you like, comment, subscribe
and we'll see you next time Week fifteen of the
Late Round Fantasy Football Show.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Peace all,