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August 14, 2025 23 mins
“The case for America is not that America is perfect. The case for America is we keep striving.” – Condoleezza Rice.   In this exclusive interview, Bret speaks to the former Secretary of State to President George W. Bush, Condoleezza Rice, the first-ever Black American Woman to hold the title. Secretary Rice tells the story of how she was able to rise to prominence in an era where Jim Crow laws prohibited millions from a fair shot at the American dream, and why she grew to love her country despite that.   Secretary Rice also discusses the difficulties she faced in helping run a nation with hundreds of conflicting views, the role America must play in international politics, and why millions across the globe still strive for American citizenship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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