Chino Moreno

Chino Moreno is the lead singer of Deftones, the Sacramento band experiencing a resurgence as a new generation discovers their ’90s hits on social media. This year, Deftones have been selling out arenas while putting the finishing touches on their latest album, Private Music.

During the recording sessions, guitarist Stephen [Stef-in] Carpenter’s health took a turn when he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. Chino stepped in to handle more of the guitar parts, approaching the album with newfound clarity after getting sober.

On today’s episode, Leah Rose talks with Chino about the band’s early days living with their late bassist, Chi Cheng. He reflects on the story behind the Around the Fur album cover and shares his post-show ritual—which often includes winding down with rom-coms in his tour bus bunk.

You can hear a playlist of some of our favorite Deftones songs HERE.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Pushkin. Chino Morino is the lead singer of Deftones, the
Sacramento band experiencing resurgence as a new generation discovers their
nineties hits on social media. This year, Deftones have been
selling out arenas while putting the finishing touches on their
latest album, Private Music. During the recording sessions, guitarist Stephen

(00:38):
Carpenter's health took a turn when he was diagnosed with
type two diabetes. Chino stepped in to handle more of
the guitar parts, approaching the album with newfound clarity after
getting sober. On today's episode, Lea Rose talks with Chino
about the band's early days living with their late bassist
Chee Chang. He reflects on the story of their Around
the Fur album cover, and shares his post show ritual,

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which often includes winding down with rom coms and his
tour bus bunk. This is broken record, real musicians conversation.
Here's Leo Rose with Gino Moreno.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I was just listening to Private Music, and I was curious,
Like the album starts so.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Hard, so fast.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
It's got like that sledgy riff right off the top,
Like how important is that first Like three seconds when
you're sequencing the album.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
It's pretty important.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
I mean when we wrote that song, I kind of
knew right away that that wanted that to be the
first song on the record because I think the like
you said, it's kind of this bombastic sort of sledge
riff that yeah, and I loved Abes drumming on the song.
I think it's really created what he does in the
verses and the staccato intro as well. It's just like
it kind of has a lot of elements that we're

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sort of known for, so it's familiar, I think in
the beginning for the first thing to introduce the record,
but I also think it's powerful and then the just
you know, the song itself sort of has this like
just great introductory phil I think too, like what's to come.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
You know what's crazy is that we we wrote the
record in different sessions, like just getting together playing one
we did in the desert, which was we probably wrote
like five or six songs there, went to Shangri La,
did another five or six songs, wrote them there, didn't
record anything there but recorded what we were doing, but
it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
The actual you know, recording. We went actually after that
we tracked it.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
So when we started tracking it, though, I already had
a sequence in mind once we had of the songs,
So we actually tracked the album in the sequence of
the record, which was cool. So's that's something that I
kind of like figured out early, Like I really had
this mindset of like creating an album, the kind of
that started in one place, went somewhere, and ended somewhere.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
I kind of liked that idea of doing that.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, have you guys ever done like a hidden track
or anything like that, like any like special.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
That was like real popular in the nineties, I think
yes on CD. So we we had one on our
second record around the fir and it was pretty funny
because it's like it has to be a part of
the last song on the record, so the last song
on the record, that being like thirty something minutes long
or whatever, because we had like there was like a
twenty minute like break of silence. It's pretty funny we

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we had. That was back when answering machines were still
people still had answering machines in their in their apartments
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
So we were staying in this apartment in Seattle.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
We were recording, and Stephan Abe and myself shared an apartment,
so we had our answer machine and our it was
attached also to the intercom too, so like when friends
came over, they'd pressed the intercom to call us, and
then they'd leave the messages from either downstairs in the
you know, in the intercom to our our answer machine

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or if someone called whatever, but we had our greeting
on there. Was like super funny, Like it was like
Stephan was like taking a bong hit and like, you know,
call us back, you know what I mean, well over night,
but we actually took that tape and we put that
on there so that our little message thing was on
as part of the hidden track. And then like a
couple of minutes later, a bonus song pops in out

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of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Oh that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I remember Alanis Morissette had one of those, and
it came in like twenty minutes after. So if like
you left the CD on, yeah totally, just like all
of a sudden it started playing, you were like, whoa
who is it.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Was that on the Jagged Little Bit of album. Yeah,
that was a great record. I mean it's crazy because
that was also Maverick Records, which was where we were
at at the time, So our records came out pretty
close to each other, our first record and her record.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, we had a kind of a close thing with
that record. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Okay, that's so cool. Yeah, that was an awesome era.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
So speaking of you guys living together, I know that
I think like right after or maybe while you were
still in high school, you lived with Chi right.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yep, right out of my parents' house. I was still seventeen.
I kind of just stopped going to school. It was
a senior quote unquot senior the normal high school I
went to, and ended up going to a continuation high school,
which is like sort of just where you go and
make up credits and whatever, still get a diploma about
you like, you know, you just kind of do textbook work.

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There's not really teachers and they're teaching. You're just kind
of like going through textbooks and whatever. But we started
playing shows actually, and we started taking little trips from
Sacramento to like Oakland and San Francisco and just like
d outskirts of a town and playing shows. So we'd
get back from playing shows like you know, three in
the morning, and then like and then I would just

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like end up saying over cheese house, and then I'd
wake up in the morning and.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Be like, I'm not going to school today.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
Like I kind of already had my mind made up that, like,
you know, not that I would be successful with the band,
but like I just was like that was kind of
like my priority. And my parents were supportive. I mean,
they were bummed I think that I like stopped going
to school, but they were also a little preoccupied. My
parents were actually going through divorce at that time too,
so it was like I kind of slipped through the

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cracks a little bit. Like normally my parents were pretty
strict about stuff, but like they were kind of dealing
with their own things, so like I kind of just
like was able to do what I wanted for the
most part, wow, and really like checking up on me
like are.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
You doing this, are you doing that? Are you doing
this or whatever.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
So in a way, it was kind of I guess
I got lucky in a way because I got just
dived deep into music as opposed to like trying to
do school and that. Yeah, I was able to really
like focus on music stuff. But it was weird, you
know what I mean. It wasn't like, you know, I
was still kind of it was a bummer, you know
what I mean. I was like one of the only
kids at that point. We had a lot of friends

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whose parents were divorced, like when you grow up whatever,
and I was always so proud, like my parents are
still married, blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
And then right like you know, your high school league divorce.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
It wasn't like something you saw coming.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Not really, no, no, Yeah, did.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
You guys sound like Deftones in the beginning, like when
the band first started playing together, Like what did you
sound like?

Speaker 4 (07:04):
I think, yeah, some of the DNAs there.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
I mean, obviously we were trying to figure out, like
we were trying to figure out how to play our
own instruments. I was, I was emulating a lot of
what I liked, so like, you know, some songs, I
would try to sound like Morrissey and sound like Danzing
and like those things don't match. But like in a way,
like I kind of came up with my own sound
maybe because those things don't match.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
And I just liked what I liked and I was.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Trying to take I was just taking influence from the
things that I like enjoyed. Yeah, Also, like I listened
to a lot of rap music back then, so I
used to like to try to rap as well. And
to me, I didn't think it was that weird to
like put like rhythmic singing over some of the stuff.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Whatever.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
My lyrics weren't really like I guess rap oriented lyrics
where I wasn't like, you know, talking about things that
I didn't really do. But I think just the format
of like like the Cadences and things like that like
that were inspiring to me. So I put like all
those things together screaming from like I loved Pantera and
Bad Brains and and so like just I guess all

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those little elements whatever, I was just kind of you know,
emulating maybe each one at certain points, like a little
bit more like where you can really tell, oh, he's
trying to do this. And I think over the time,
I've been able to, like, I guess, find myself within
all those things and kind of have my own voice.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
I guess, I hope.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, when did you find your voice?

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Like when do you feel like you were squarely standing
in your own sound.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
I mean it would probably be I think definitely after
our first record, because our first record is still hard
for you to listen to because I can hear like
myself not still like not being confident and not really
knowing what.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
I was doing.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
I mean, I was so nervous on our first record
that I didn't even write a lot of lyrics, like
a lot of it's just like freestyling syllables and whatever.
Like and then so like if you notice, like inside
there's not lyrics in the record, there's some scribbled notes
of me that I wrote whatever. So there's some words
in there, but like some of it's not because I
was so scared to commit to like what I was

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going to say.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, just kind of like used my voice as an
instrument more.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Yeah, so that record's hard for us too because I
can see exactly where I was whatever, just kind of
non confident, like sort of still figuring out. Whereas maybe
our second record, I think, you know, touring a lot
from our first record and just like actually getting the
opportunity to make a second record, which a lot of

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bands don't even get that chance, right, we got to
signed to a pretty big label and yeah, and you know,
we didn't sell anything close to like what Atlantis sold, right,
so who's our label made? So like I mean honestly,
that probably helped because I think our label was making
so much money from Atlantis. Yeah that like they probably
lost a lot of money on our first record, but

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allowed us to go and make a second record.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Reallyant honestly, did.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
You have to like show and prove at that point
to the label, Like, was there anything that you had
to in a way promise them that we're going to
bring next time to make the next album do even better.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
I don't think that there was early ever thatscussion, but
I think within ourselves, I think we wanted to. I
know I wanted to.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
I wanted to show and prove, like, wow, we can
do so much better, because even if our first record
was done, I knew that it wasn't as good as
the band that we were becoming. So with the second record,
I really think that we made a statement. I think
it's probably still one of our strongest records to the state.
And then after that we made the White Pony record,
which was like a pretty big left turn to like

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where music was sort of at that point, where like
a lot of new metal music what they were calling
it at the time, which I guess they still call
it that, but it was like kind of that was
like kind of pop like on the Raino all day long,
and we steered like far left of that and made
the White Pony album. And the label wasn't actually really

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that stoked on it because of that, but they did
support us a lot because they knew that it was
still a good record. And honestly, that was probably one
of the best decisions we ever made doing that, because
I think it help with our longevity for sure.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
How hands on, was Madonna with a label because it
was her label?

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Right? Yes? Yes?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Was she involved with like the artist sound? Would she
sort of be in like an executive producer position? Did
you have any conversations with her, like creative conversations about
what you were putting out?

Speaker 5 (11:26):
No, you know, no, not really, And I can only
speak for us. Maybe she did with some other artists,
but I mean, I remember the first time that we
when we very first got signed. I went to the
office and I didn't even know she was there. I
went to go sit in my an r's office, the
guy who signed his name's guy, And I was sitting

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talking to him and like staring at like, you know,
face to face with him. The doors behind me, and
the door opens and he starts talking to her. I
just hear a female voice and I look over and
I look up and it's her. And then she he's like.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Oh, this is new artist, blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
And I was just freaking out because as like a
ten year old and myself was just like.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
And then she ended up coming to a few of
our shows, and like I remember one time we were
backstage and we were about to go on stage and
she was like looking me up and down. She's like,
are you going to get ready? I looked down at
my clothes. I was like, yeah, I'm ready. She's like,
that's what you're gonna wear? And I think I just
had a prayer like Dicky's and a T shirt or
something on whatever, and she was like, that's what you're
gonna wear, like kind of like and I.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Was like, whoa, she's a come here.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
And then she like helped me like pulled my pants
up a little bit, like help me fix my belt
and whatever. And it was just like this is like
surreal right now, But those kind of things are like,
you know, like like a story like until today that
still like brings joy to me totally.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
So I was going to ask you about like back
when we were talking about you living with Chi. Since
you've known the guys for so long, I feel like
you can tell a lot about a person by the
way their bedroom is. Do you remember, like growing up,
what people's bedrooms were.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Like, I totally do.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, like Abes or Chi or.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yes, Abe.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
I mean, so I'll use Abe as an example because
this is great. I went to Abe's house for the
first time. I think we were in seven, in maybe
eighth grade. We're in junior high school, and I go
to his house after school A skateboard over there, and
I go into his room and he's got a little
tiny room. I mean it's, you know, pretty small, but
his drum set takes up his whole room.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
And it was his dad's drum set.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
His dad passed away when he was a couple of
years before that actually, and he was in a band.
He inherited the drum set from him, and he had
so his room was just the drum set. And then
he had a little tiny like mattress on the like
in the corner, like where he slept. I don't even
know if it was a mattress. I want to say,
it was just like the blanket, started sleeping bag whatever.
But he sacrifices like comfort. So it's like his room

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was just like his drum set. And then back then
as when we had cassettes, so we have a whole
wall of just like cassettes and a lot of like
dub cassettes because that's what we used to be back
in the day, like dub cassettes. And then like do
our own artwork on him whatever, So whole wall of cassettes,
you know. So I was just enamorated by his cassette
collecting and it's just music, like his music ruled his life,

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so like that was his little world, right. That was
awesome now now cheese. So we shared a bedroom when
I moved in. It was a one bedroom apartment that
we lived in, and he lived in there actually with
his girlfriend at the time. When I would go stay
the night over there, and then him and his girlfriend
broke up and it could have had something to do
with that. I was always asleep on the couch in
the other room whatever, but she was finding like, yeah,

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it's either him or me or kind of thing whatever.
But yeah, but she ended up moving out and then
so I moved in officially and then we both shared room,
so we had two like twin mattresses on each side
of the room. But our room was a fucking mess.
I mean, our whole apartment was. But it was like
college off and it was actually on the college campus
because he still went to school. The deal was his

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dad would pay half the rent as long as he
was in school.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
So his dad paid half.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
The rent and then she and I split the other half.
With the rent was so it was like the rent
was like nothing. It was like it was like one
hundred and fifty bucks a month, and it was in
an apartment on kind of off campus a Sex State University.
And I worked at the dining comments there, like the
where they served the kids in the dorms stay lunches
and dinners whatever, the dining home whatever, so.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
You could take food.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
Yes, so we used to like come home with food. Yeah,
that's how we lived. But it was mostly just like beer.
We just drank beer. And like she was, he's a
couple of years older than then the rest of us actually,
so so he was old enough to buy beer at
that point.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
I was still young and he might not even been
twenty one yet.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
But there was a store across the street that we
could buy beer from so like, and it was cheap beer,
like the cheapest beer you can buy.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
So like.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
Our whole balcony was just full of beer cans and
it was like a total like I don't know, I
guess what I would expect a front house to kind
of write. It was just like us too, And then
all our friends.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Were there all the time, the hangout spot.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
It was just the hangout spot. Yeah, but it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
So you must have been over high school.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Like, I don't know, you seemed like you were beyond
high school at that point, Like, I know, you're going
to the continuation school, but mentally, it seems like you
were already like graduated.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Yeah, So yeah I did. I just stopped going to school.
I stopped even going to the continuation school. And it
was probably almost towards the end of the school year anyway.
So I was kind of bummed that I didn't graduate.
My parents were bummed that I didn't graduate. But other
than that, I was just like, yeah, I was already.
Like we started playing shows, and you know, we started
to guard a small following even around Sacramento at the time,

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and we practiced almost every day and we just had fun.
We were wrapped by the river, so we swam, like
all summer, we're just swimming and like, yeah, it was
like the time of our lives, really like making music.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, and who came Did Abe come up with the
name deftones?

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Stephan did? Oh?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Stephan did yeah, And we.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Were going to play one of our first shows and
we had to buy tickets too. It was like one
of the things pay to play kind of thing, but
where we buy all the tickets and then we can
We bought the tickets for a dollar apiece from the
promoter and then we can sell them for three dollars
so we can make a cop books up each ticket.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
But we did end up doing that.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
We ended up just giving away to our friends at
school and whatever so we can have a pact for
a show. And we were like, well, we need a
band of we're gonna play a show. So Stephan said, oh,
we're going to be called deaf Tones and I was
like okay. So then Abe wrote it on the ticket,
but he didn't even know how to spell it, so
we spelled it like me a F tone whatever. Right, Oh,
So we gave all the tickets away and he's like no,

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that's not how you spell it whatever.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
So it's like deaf, like you know, like the rap.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Like yeah, like jamar or whatever.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yes, So I was like okay, so like yeah, it
wasn't anything that was like well thought out or other
than just you know, Stephan said, that's the name of
our band.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
We said, okay, it's a great name. I mean, do
you like it now? I don't know. I mean it's worked.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
I guess it's like you probably can't even think of it,
like yeah, objective.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
It's silly.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
I mean most band names are silly. There's a lot
of silly band names. But you kind of like the
name takes on its own thing after a while, right,
the music is kind of like whatever, and then you
don't really think so much about the name itself.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
We'll be back with more from China Moreno after the break.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Who in the band and is in charge of like
the aesthetics? Like is there somebody who sort of keeps
an eye on that or is it a collective thing?
Like as far as the final album covers, the actual
font of the band name has always been super cool.
Is there one of you who is kind of like
that guy?

Speaker 5 (18:26):
I'm pretty much the one that is like in the
trenches with all that stuff. But everybody he's it, you know.
I always I never do anything without everybody at least
likes seeing, Hey, what do you guys think about this?
And then there everybody's pretty easy going and they trust me,
which is rad cool.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
But it's myself.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
And then there's a guy at Warner Brothers who has
been working with us since the White Pony album by
the name of Frank Maddox. So him and I like
get together and brainstorm and like he's really good with
graphic art and photography and so yeah, we just come
up with random stuff and then we just sort of
sort of start like brainstorming.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
And do you enjoy that part of it?

Speaker 4 (19:02):
I do? I really do.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
From everything from our T shirt designs to our like
our so when we play our live shows now we
have like these huge led screens behind us whatever, so
there's like different content that goes on between during the songs,
and then like some of it's imag which is basically
like the live feed of us on stage in the crowd.

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But but I've been but like we throw filters on
that kind of stuff whatever, and just the color palettes
everything like I'm just like, really, that's kind of stuff
is fun for.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Me to do.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I've seen like still shots of it and there's
like pink like a woman's face.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Saw people on Reddit trying to figure out where those
images come from.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yeah, a lot of stuff I research and find, like
archive dot org is one one site that I've been
going on for years and years, and it's just like
all this like old archival footage of stuff whatever, some
old movies like I like to find like old like
rare you know stuff, And yeah, imagery and like sonics

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like those two things to me, Like, I love marrying
those things together, whether it's like I mean, when I
listened to music a lot of times, I'll see images
and vice versa. I'll like look at the image sometimes
and I'll kind of hear music. So really marrying those
two things is always fun.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
And you've done some scoring recently, right, some movie scoring
or show scoring.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
I've done some of it. Some I did, like this
Hulu thing once I've done. Yeah, but it's something that
I want to do more of. I haven't done anything recently,
but I love I'm really into soundscapes and Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
That seems like something that you'd be really really good at.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
It still takes I mean, you have to know what
you're doing. It's hard.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Like coming up with the ideas, to me, that's the
easy part, but like actually doing it. I like, I
definitely help with that kind of the technical side of things.
And then again it's like musically, I'm not trained professionally.
I don't stand theory. I understand some. I'm trying to
learn more. But that's kind of been my goal lately actually,
as especially as I get older, is just working on piano,

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playing piano, taking less and playing guitar, learning chords, tunings, everything.
Just that's kind of where I find fun now. Yeah,
learning stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I heard Steffan saying that, I guess while making private
music he he has type two diabetes and he started
talking about it. But because of the illness, you had
to do more of the guitar parts.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
Yeah, I mean, and honestly, it's crazy because I didn't
I knew something. We all knew that something was going
on with him at the time.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Whatever.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
He was like very lethargic, Like during the writing sessions
where he was there, he was present, but he was
just like he just seemed run down, and like we'd
start working on stuff and he'd kind of come in
and he'd like, he just seemed like very slow. And
it was hard sometimes because I would take it as like,
like we got in a couple of arguments a couple

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of times where I was like, dude, look, what's wrong
with you? Do you like not want to be here?
Like I would just ask him, and then you get
mad at me. You're like, what are you talking about?
And I'd be like, how could you ask me if
I want to be here? I'm here, and I'm like, yeah,
I know you're here, but like you don't seem interested
in what's going on. He's like, and he would get
mad at me for asking that, but everybody else was
thinking it, but no one else was asking this, So
then he'd get mad at me for like confronting him

(22:23):
about it. But we soon realized that, man, maybe something's
going off to health. And then we were playing Coachella
maybe I don't know, a few months after that after
that one of those sessions and and we got a
stage and he just like came up to all of
us and he was like, you guys, I'm really sorry that,
Like I played so bad, and honestly, I didn't really
realize it. I noticed that he was a little sloppier

(22:45):
than usual, but he was like, yo, he's like I
was like having a heart standing up. He's like in
my my hand wasn't like doing what, wasn't like responding
to like playing these songs.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
And so I was like, yo, I was like, you
need to go figure out what's going on with you.
And he's been one of those people who I've always
tried to self diagnose himself, like our golf YouTube and
like be like, oh, well, this is what's wrong with me.
And I'm like, dude, no, you need to go to
the doctor. And no one really likes to go to
the doctor. I get it, right. It's like, you know,
sometimes it's like scary, right, especially if you feel like

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something's wrong with you.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
You don't want to hear do you know what I mean?
But you you gotta know, right.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
So, so eventually he faced up and he went and
then like and then I just like you just watched
his whole like he just changes, like once he knew
what was wrong with him, then he was like okay,
and then he started to figure out the tools of
it to deal with it. And now he's like he's
an obsessive person where it's like anything he gets to do,
whether it's like anything, just like he gets into he
gets obsessed with it.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
So like how it's his health that he's obsessed with.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
So, like we share a bus together and he every
night he's just like he's like, has this like his.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Sugar mon like thing on.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
He's just like, look numbers and he's like, oh, look
at my thing is spike here and it's blah blah blah,
and I know so if I eat this, if I
you know, and this whatever. So he's just like he's
excited about it, and so like I just engage with
him about it, and it's like I'm just seeing him
like his like life come back into him, like physically
and mentally. Like he's just like awakening because he you know,
it's a it's a real positive thing that I'm happy with.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
But that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Back to what we were saying about as far as
the writing stuff, so like during that time, I didn't
realize that I was doing that. It was more or
less like Okay, well we're here and we're just going
to keep busy. So if he wasn't engaging. I would
just be like, Okay, here's an idea, kamany, let's go
boo boo boom, and then we'd just start working on stuff.
But before you knew it, we had like almost the

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albums worth the material that where a lot of it.
He didn't spearhead because of what he was going through whatever.
So so in hindsight, yes, there was a lot more
I think where I picked up the slack on whatever.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
But I enjoyed doing it too.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
I mean, I love writing music and I love playing
with Abe and the other guy. So and it wasn't
like a thing where I wasn't mad about it and
he wasn't. Now I mean I obvious see it took
him a while because he was I think before he
knew what was going on and whatever, he was like
and he's always going to maybe have been away where
he's never really told me that. But it was weird

(25:14):
when we did the Zanelow interview. He in the middle
of the interview, he's like, I just want to say that,
you know, Gino like really stepped up and he really
like came through and blah blah, and he's like and
that was the first time he ever like like complimented
me or like our knowledge that, like you know, all
the hard work that I put into the to the
writing and stuff like that whatever. So like like I
kind of got like a little you know, teared up

(25:36):
a little bit. I mean funny the camera panned away
from you because you can't see, but I'm there with
my mouth open, just like whoa, like thank you for
technowledging that.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Oh that's so sweet?

Speaker 5 (25:45):
Right, yeah, I mean I was just it was it
was like a you know, sentimental moment between friends.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, that was a cool interview.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
I liked.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
That was just cool seeing you all together when you're
in the studio, are you sort of I don't know
if you saw the Beatles Get Back documentary, Oh yeah great.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
It was long, but it was like worth watching, especially
if you're a musician. Like watching how they work and
their dynamic between the guys, it was like.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
It turned them into real people for me, Like I
didn't think of them as real people. It's like I
understood their personalities and how they worked together and I
had no idea, Like seeing Paul's roll, how he stepped
up and he totally was like the task master and
he's like the band leader.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
It's Orecm there like like George and they're just like
showing his rifts and stuff too, and you're just yeah, WHOA,
Like I don't know, I just love watching it because
it's it's pretty funny because like most bands are the same,
Like we all like there's so many cliches, like we
all do the same shit, and like relationship wise, and
like the kind of fight for you know this like

(26:47):
underlying fight for like you know, who's kind of steering
the ship sometimes, right, yes, And there's like with the
Beatles especially, there's like there's a lot of great songwriting
amongst all of them individually, right, So it's like how
they made that work and how like you got to
pick your battles and then you have to sometimes like
not say what you're thinking and then sometimes also like

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tiptoe around certain things because as you know, that might
trigger somebody or this or that whatever. Try to get
your ideas heard, but like not take you know, not
dictate what everybody should be doing. Let people come up
with their own parts. And it's a part of being
in a band. It's like you know, it's like, yeah,
it's definitely like psychological like work.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
You know what I mean, but I was thinking about that,
like picturing you now in the sessions for this new album,
Like are you sort of like the Paul McCartney of
the group. I don't know about that, Like as far
as you're like getting everybody in order, like organizing the chaos.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
I mean, we have a producer there that, especially with
this with this record, Nick Rasky Lenox, who did this record.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
He also did a couple of workers.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
But one of the main reasons why aside from him
being a great producer, but one of the main reasons
for hiring him for this, for this record specifically, was
for him to take on that role, you know, kind
of take some of that off my plate, because you know,
as much the band does trust me on certain things whatever,

(28:13):
I still don't want to be the person that that's
always kind of dictating like where we're going, what we're doing,
and Okay, we're working on this song now or whatever,
blah blah, and a lot of times they just like
when we even were at sound checks, like Okay, what song
are we playing, I'm.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Like, I don't know what song you want to play?

Speaker 5 (28:28):
Like like I don't don't ask me all the time, right,
I don't want to and I don't get mad about it,
but it's just like, but it is very helpful to
have someone else there in the room that sort of
can just like be the sort of ring leader, right,
and I can just work on my part.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
But yeah, I mean I think especially.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
To like I've had like three years of sobriety and
just like a very clear minded now and focus, so
like it feels natural for me sometimes to like make
an order of things and like kind of keep track
of what's going on whatever. Like my memory is like
really crisp right now, you know what I mean. Sharp,
And so I'm able to remember things really well. And

(29:07):
like if I'm working with a a drum part whatever,
like like I can like literally like three minutes ago
you played this, but whatever, blah blah, and He'll be
like and I'll remember, you know things like or maybe
you know five years ago I would have not remembered.
So it's cool to use those things, right, especially when
we're working in work mode.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, totally. And it keeps you it keeps you sharp.
I mean, that kind of stuff is just important for
overall health, for brain.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Health as we get older, totally.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
You know, now that you're sober, you strike me as
someone who's sort of romantic and dreamy and emotional. And
I don't know if I'm just saying that because of
the type of music I know that you were into
as a kid, But.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's actually a lot of it. I mean honestly.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
I mean, I'm just like a sucker for like all
the stuff that I loved when I was a teenager. Yeah,
and I still like look back to that time in
my life as being like I can smell you know,
what the air was like and what like. I'm just
like really in tune with that time of my life
and I reflect upon that time of my life a lot.
And you know what's when I fell in love with music.

(30:15):
That's when I love That's probably one of the first
times I had a crush or this or that whatever.
All those things are like really like milestones of like
the human experience, So like I always draw from that.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Would it help you with the substances to like get
deeper into those feelings or can you still go there now?
Being sober?

Speaker 5 (30:32):
Well, you know what I thought, I was like a
big lie. I think I kind of fooled myself into
believing that it was right. But yeah, but just created
being creative in general, Like you soon figure out that like, yeah,
I didn't need all that. I mean, not that I
didn't make good music, like you know, being altered here
and there, but and a lot of great music has
been made that way or with being influenced by mine,

(30:54):
altering substance whatever, but the fact that you know, you
go through your whole life because I was pretty much
since high school, I've been you know, like I was
telling her, really just drinking beers and whatever. I never
made music, you know, without that. So it was scary
at first, right to think can I do this? Is
it possible? And then once you do it, you're like.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Oh, of course it is, and yeah that's good.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
All the clarity like I was talking about earlier comes
along and then it's like, oh well, I'm even like
I can do this, and I can do this, and
you just start to get it's it's everything's more in focus,
and then you can make sense of things a lot easier.
And but yeah, I mean I still get lost though, too.
I got I get I get lost in a good
melody and a good you know story. I mean, I

(31:35):
watch rom coms. That's that's one thing I do still
like on the bus every night when I go whatever.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
I just like like romantic stories too.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
What's the last rom com you've seen that's really good?

Speaker 5 (31:47):
I mean I like dumb movies too, I like h
like Proposal stuff like that. Like I love some j
Lo movies. I love Yeah and Hathaway movies. I'll watch
like all this like I don't know, yeah, I don't
know why. I just like like those movies. I kind
of like like turn off part of my brain. I
guess whatever, and just like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, Oh, I want to ask you because I I know,
like as when you were a kid growing up, it
seems like with the band, you all of a sudden
just made the jump and became a singer. Did you
sing at all as a kid? Like were you inquire?
Were you like singing around the house, Like was it unexpected?
Like were your parents surprised at all of a sudden
you were a singer in a band?

Speaker 5 (32:28):
I think so, yeah, especially because I was shy too,
like pretty shy when I was young, So like I
would sing along to records, but just to myself, right,
not in front of people. So it was kind of
out of nowhere, and really I wanted to I wanted
to play the drums. To me, that seemed like the
funnest thing ever, just like bang on these drums. I
really loved rhythm that I still do. But yeah, I

(32:50):
met Ad when I was in junior high school and
he was already like a brilliant drummer, like you know.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
At twelve years older. I don't know what you were.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
So so I needed to find something to do if
I wanted to be in the band with everybody. So yeah,
Stephan actually he's the one who's like, oh, You're gonna
be the singer and I was like okay, and he
said he actually said that, He's like I heard you.
How are you singing along with Danzig record or something whatever?
Before he day you could sing? And I was like
like like yeah, I was like okay. So it was
like kind of cool that, like, you know, he made

(33:19):
me believe that I could sing, and I really couldn't.
I mean, it was really like trial by error a
lot of it, you know, And it's kind of still is.
I mean, I still don't really know what I'm doing.
I just kind of I don't know, I guess just
figured out as I'm going still to this day.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Have you ever taken any lessons, like vocal lessons or
anything like that.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
I did try at one point, and it was it
was it was just super awkward. I probably should have
stuck with it, but I but it was most things
where like I didn't like the and maybe it was
the teacher because like, you know, just probably like therapy,
it's like, you know, you have one bad experience and
then you can't say that it's all bad.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
You know.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Maybe it was just the actual thing, but it was
like it just felt really awkward to me. It was
like it's like they were trying to teach me how
to sing a certain way that just didn't feel like
natural to me. Yeah, I've always sort of just just
respond did, like sonically to what the music is kind
of you know, dishing out of me, and this is

(34:15):
what I'm w I'm responding with this sound. So like
if I was thinking too hard about it, I'd be like, well,
this doesn't even it's not even fun. It doesn't I
don't feel like I'm I'm naturally wanting to do. So
that was my excuse for not going back whatever, But
I'm sure there are techniques that I should.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Probably not not too old to learn. I mean I
did take from that.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
I did take a lot of these like kind of
warm up exercises and things like that that are important
that I still use.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
What do you do to protect your voice?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I know at one point you had like some serious
vocal issues just from screaming on stage, Like, well.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
It could be transparent.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
I think it was some scream but a lot of
just like living wild too, like you know, drugs and
alcohol and whatever and like not sleeping and you know,
and so I think I just liked whatever. But I've
noticed like the biggest thing for me is like proper sleep,
lots of fluids. I drink a lot of water, tea,
And there's really nothing I can do as far as

(35:09):
because I do scream and I do sing, and I
do it straight for you know, an hour and a
half two hours, you know, at night, and physically like
you have to rest. So it's like that's the main thing.
It's like after the show, I'm usually quiet. I usually
go on the bus and I don't talk much. Yeah,
And I'm really like I really love getting good I sleep.
And now that I don't drink, like I sleep really well,

(35:31):
and so yeah, waking up and feeling invigorated and then
kind of just like you know, do a little little
warm up.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I warm up in the shower.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
What do you do to sort of like get yourself
in the headspace and just like physically get ready to
be on stage and just to give all that energy.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yeah. So music is always something that's like like gears
me up. So I listen.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
I listen to music, and then I also make playlists
every day, which is really fun. So there's like a
thirty five minute time where they change over from the
band before us to when we go on. So so
I make a thirty five minute playlist that plays in
my dressing room, but it also plays in the in
the venue, and so the crowd here is what I'm
hearing backstage.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Oh that's cool.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
It's kind of neat because I kind of feel like
it maybe puts us all in the same sort of
frame of mind before like the show show totally it
and it changes.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
It's always like a pretty wild mix of stuff whatever.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
But they tell me like three two one play, I'll
play it in my dressing room and it'll be playing
in the in the venue. And then I get in
the shower. Right then, the shower sort of just like
regenerates me. I think a little bit the steam helped
with my voice. Yeah, and then I get dressed, brush
my teeth, and then I'll do maybe I'll do some
push ups or whatever. I have a little rolling a

(36:48):
pham roller.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, stretch on that nice.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
Yeah, just kind of maybe some jumping jacks and just
kind of like hide myself up. That's pretty much it.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
And then what do you do when you get off stage?
Like how do you come down?

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Same thing?

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Shower right away. I think the shower in vigorates before
the show. And then obviously when I got stage, I'm
soaking wet. Usually just get in the shower and then
you know, put on dry clothes. And usually they bring
me food in because I don't eat usually like I
don't know, four to five hours before we go on stage,
because that's weird. But I'm never hungry when I get
off stage too, So yeah, get me fooded, and I'm

(37:22):
always just like just take it to the bus. I'll
eat it later. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, but
but yeah, I usually call home and check in and
then I've been going to pretty much straight you know,
to the bus. I'm pretty boring, man, I don't like
it's not as crazy as at least it was at
one time, right, Yeah. I don't drink anymore, so it's like,
you know, I don't have the need to like go

(37:42):
out and socialize too much.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yes, Are you like peopled out at that point? Like
do you want to be by yourself?

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Kind of?

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (37:50):
I mean I really do enjoy like the silence of
just like you know, being on the bus and it's
just on our bus now it's just myself stuff and
then our assistant and our photographer, so it's just four
of us on there.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
So it's really quiet.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
Yeah, watch movies, play video games, kind of just really
really relax.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
When you call home and you talk to family, Like
if you talk to your wife or whatever, like do
you tell her about the show or do you just
talk about regular stuff?

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yeah? I mean she always asked me how was your show?

Speaker 5 (38:20):
And like, my it's like, you know, when somebody ask
how are you always say oh, fine, you know, at
the show, whether there's stuff going on, I always.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Just say, oh it was fine. Yeah. I won't get
into too many details of it. The show's happened.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Great, But but you know, sometimes there'll be a little
like an audio thing or something will go haywire. Like
last night we were playing a show and there's a
few songs that I played guitar on that I use
the RF mic on, and it wasn't turned on, so
like the first verse, I'm like singing into it, and
I'm like, oh, there's nothing coming out of this. So
that you know, Tech runs on stage and he goes
and he like turns the mic on. Okay, there you go.

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It wasn't turned on, but so like.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
It's like, come on, dude, one oh one, yeah, turn
it on.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
You know.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
It's one of the things where like I think years
and years ago, I probably would have like lost it,
you know, where Yeah, I think my patience is like
a little better these days where I'm just like, Okay,
shit happens, and and uh just laugh it off, and
you know, I think people understand. I think I think
probably back in the day, I would have like maybe
felt embarrassed or like just Matt exactly like that's one

(39:17):
on one, What the hell I got mad about it? Whatever,
But it's like it's a mistake, and yeah, it was
like the first half of the verse was.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Not there, but yeah, and it's probably like so loud
in there anyway, Like maybe people don't really notice, you know,
Oh I.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Think they realized. Oh really yeah, yeah, I think they
definitely realized.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
But yeah, that's part of the live experience though. It's
nice to see, like, you know, bloopers and stuff like.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
That that we don't you know, use playback. How about that?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Well, let's break when we're back with Lea Rose's conversation
with Gina Moreno.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Going back to the Deftones album covers, what are your
would you say or your top five favorite album covers
from Deaftones?

Speaker 5 (40:02):
From Deaftones, I like the Quino Yo Kan cover, which
is a photo taken by the the artist Futura.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Oh wow.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Yeah, it was like he we had talked with him
about designing an album cover for us, and then we
did a couple of different things, but ended up just
gravitating towards this photo of his, which was like he
took it in this hotel somewhere in China or something.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
But the picture itself, like you can't really tell. It
almost looks like outer space.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
It's just like it's really like you got there at
it whatever and kind of figure out what if it's
the actual place and it's like I think it's a
view through this class through towards the elevator or something.
But I just it looks kind of otherworldly and and
it's just like it's pretty and I like that cover
a lot.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
What else? What are the album cover do? I like?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
What about around the fur Man?

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Honestly, like.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Now I can appreciate it whatever, but like you know,
and it's so weird that like even like as far
as like our merchandise goes, like that T shirt with
that album cover on it, like it is like one
of the biggest sellers, like so many, but it's such
a random photo and it makes no sense at all.
And it was, honestly just like we were our photographer.
The guy who was doing all our photos for that record,
this guy named Rick Cassick, and he was from this

(41:17):
magazine big brother from It was a skate magazine, and
he and they ended up going out to do like
Jackass and all that stuff whatever.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
So he's like in all the Jackasses stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
But he was like the videographer photographer, and he was
a good friend of ours, and he came to Seattle
when we were recording that record, and he took all
the a bunch of photos of us and then just
photos of us hanging out like outside of the studio.
So that record we were like all like twenty two,
maybe we were still pretty young, and like when I

(41:46):
look back at that record, it was like I don't
remember hardly any of actually like recording the record, I
remember everything.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Outside of it, Like just like we were just like wild, like.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Out every night, partying, driving around, listening to the roughs
from the day and like that album cover was like
after the we had like this jacuzzi at our apartment,
the same one that were me and Haven and stuff,
and we have the answer machine. Think there was a yeah,
a hot tub downstairs.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Whatever.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
So every night we'd like, you know, after at the
end of the night, after all our bar happened, we'd
go with everybody we'd meet from the bar, let's go
back to our players.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
We're gonna gota.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
And that photo was just like from a random night
there or whatever, and it was like it got mixed
in with all the other photos from the thing. So
when they came and spreading all the photos out for
the album cover, that picture was there and like it
was literally just like everybody pointed at that one.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
It's such a cool photo.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah, I mean it's very nineties too, so nineties, so
it like really represents that time. It's kind of funny.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Do you know who that girl is?

Speaker 4 (42:47):
I mean kind of she was.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
She was a friend who we befriended while we were
there in Seattle, and I did see a thing the
other day.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
It was cool that she was.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
They showed like you know then and now, so it
was her Like now, she's probably our age now too,
like you know, maybe late forties, early fifties, and she's
holding up the album cover and she's like smiling, this
is me, you know what I mean? Whatever when she
when she was young as well, but who knew, right,
It's like that like even when she was asked, hey,
we want to use this for the album cover, but
then thinking that like thirty something years later whenever, whatever,

(43:19):
it is that like that would be such an iconic
photo with like T shirts and all these like teenagers
now wearing that picture on their T shirt.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
It is very nineties. That's such a good call.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Like it's kind of like has like that kids like
the movie Kids that asthetic or even like pre American apparel.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
Totally, and it has but like like the fish eye
kind of lens of fact whatever. So it's like, you know,
it's very like kind of like Beastie Boys. He kind
of like go to like nineties kind of like.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, yeah, Flair, do you ever think back on those times,
like the debaucherous times are just like, oh my god,
I can't believe I survived that.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
Totally. I had a lot of good time. I mean
we had fun. Yeah, we were kids. We were probably
doing what we should have been doing, right. I mean,
for the most point, we were like in a rock band,
like you know, touring the world, like going places and
doing different things like all out like walking the streets
Paris or whatever at three o'clock in the morning, going
into you know, different bars and meeting random people.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
And doing whatever.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
Was like yeah, I mean like you know, let's have fun.
And it was my youth and whatever. But uh, you know,
at some point, yeah, it's like I realized that I'm
not once people that can just like just like have
a little bit of fun and then just like you know,
go to sleep, Like.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
I just like I'm having fun, Let's keep going.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
And that's I think what like the definition of like
someone who's an alcoholic, right, So I had to learn
that I don't denounce like a. I think a is
great for people who especially works for I don't do it,
but I don't live under the pretense of that, like
you know, I'll never have a drink again either. I
think that's kind of helped me stay sober too, is
because like I don't feel like, oh my god, I'm

(44:55):
never gonna have a drinking Like I honestly like want
to be in my seventies sitting on my porch, you know,
as an older man drinking a beer, petting my dog
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Like I can foresee that at some point in my future.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
But I just like, like, right now where I'm at, I
feel good. I'm on tour, I'm out here, like I
like doing this sober. I like this part of life
and doing it. But so I don't look at it
as like and I'll be all thing and you know whatever,
this and that whatever. But I just know it works
now and I feel good, so I'm just gonna keep
doing it.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Yeah, that makes sense. Living through what you've lived through,
experience what you've experienced.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
As a father, were you like extra protective because you
know what's out there, or were you sort of like
let your kids experience things the way that you experience things.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
I mean, you know, luckily that my kids haven't tested
me that bad. I mean, I have good kids. I'm
so lucky for that, especially my two older sons, who
you know, they like, you know, and everyone.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
If you talk about like like the parts that I
was probably that I'm probably ashamed about now is whatever
is like you know, when my kids were coming of age,
like when I used to live in Soccer, when I
used to have like a I had a bar in
Myles had a tiki bar downstairs, which was awesome.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
I loved it. Yeah, but it was.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Like, you know, every night, like my friends would be
there playing records, you know, sitting at the bar just
drink or whatever, and my kids would be upstairs, you know,
and I would like, you know, what do you guys
want for dinner?

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (46:18):
We want Chinese food? Okay, I order them Chinese food.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
They want a new video game, Just buy a new
video game kind of whatever, and they just kind of
like you know, spent a lot of hours like on
their own, just like you know, doing the same thing
as I like upstairs, hanging out with their friends, playing
video games, eating, you know, whatever they wanted and whatever.
And now in retrospect, it's being like, man, it's like
and I was busy with my friends downstairs, you know,
still like living like I was on tour kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Right.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
So now in retrospect, I can't get those times back
with my kids when they were at a certain age
where I wish I had spent more time with them, right.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
But you were young though, when you've I watched it.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
I mean when I was twenty years old, when my
son was personal was more so I was pretty young myself. Yeah,
but even in spite of that, like, I'm so lucky
that my kids like have grown up and have been
very responsible and are like upstanding sins and you know,
they they work and they they hustle still and they

(47:14):
don't expect like you know, just they're good. They're a
good hearted kid. And yeah, my daughter is super smart.
She's like she she's in college and she she's in college. Yeah,
she's she's a junior in Calle. She's going to be
twenty one next month. Too, So like, oh, now they're gone,
you know, because everybody's like, oh, you're empty nests. I'm like,
Nicks do all dogs like you can't. I can't just

(47:35):
do whatever I want whenever I want. Like, the dogs
are like a lot.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
How many dogs you have?

Speaker 5 (47:39):
So I have two, you know, little pugs and their
rescues and they're they're they're awesome. But yeah, they're like
a lot of work in there. But I love it.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
Maybe deep down I don't want to be an empty nester.
I think that I have something to be responsible for,
like all the time. It's like something that I need.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, have you guys started working on the next album yet?

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Oh? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
No, I don't really I feel I mean the record
just came out like three weeks ago, two weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, well, sometimes there's like stuff left over, and no.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
We do. We do have some luck.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
And my idea would be maybe if there's like a
soundtrack opportunity or something like that, I think it'd be
fun to go back and finish those things up, if
for a specific thing or something like that. But but
as far as I going in to make like a
complete new record, I mean that's like at the long process. Yeah, yeah,
I'm going to enjoy, like, yeah, just like not doing
music and playing I started playing video games again, which

(48:31):
is kind of Yeah. I didn't allow myself to play
video games while I was working on music because I
just feel like, if I have time to do this,
I should definitely have time.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
To do it. My job is, so what games do
you play right now? I'm just I'm playing these Star Wars.
Like there's this platform game Falling Order. I think it's
about for a while.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
There's a new one now that I but I want
to play the beat the first one first.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
So it's just kind of like an adventure game. You going.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
There's like puzzles and stuff and I got to figure out,
which is kind of cool because I feel like I'm
still using my brain and figuring out.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
But at the same time, it's like I'm just like
getting to be a little kidding in and just like it's
not music. As much as I love doing music, sometimes
it's like it's kind of healthy, I think, to like
do something.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
That's not music.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I was watching an old interview with you, I think
it was from ninety eight, and it was from some
like Dutch TV show.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Anyway, you were in a.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Pool hall and you were talking about the thing that
was most important to you was that the band had longevity,
and you were like, you didn't care about the sound
or the genre that you were placed in. The only
thing that was important was longevity. And I was thinking,
I'm like, okay, so you achieved it, Like here you are.
How many years later it's twenty twenty five and you

(49:41):
guys are bigger than ever. Does that feel like a
miracle in your mind? Or does it feel like it
was written? Like no, wonder.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
It definitely feels I don't know, a mirror. It's crazy
to think about it, really is. I mean, it all
happened so gradual, though, I mean obviously a lot more
happened over the last few years kind of without our doing,
you know, But like our career itself, like we were
never like one day just kind of going and the
next day we were the biggest band in the world.

(50:12):
We've always started gradually growing as a band. Yes, we've
had some like lulls in our career, for sure, But
to look in retrospect now, for sure, it's like whoa Like,
you know, last night we're playing a soult out arena
and I'm looking out there and everybody's holding up their
camera lights, are their their phone lights whatever, And just
I'm like mesmerized by how many because you really get

(50:32):
to notice when they do that, like how many people
are up yeah, two hundred yards away, like you know,
in a top back seat at a concert. And it's
just like this is insane and seeing the demographic could
be all over the board, across the board, parents and
their kids and you know, so no, even if I
did say that back then, I definitely didn't expect it

(50:53):
to go to fruition.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
So I'm like bugged out by it for sure.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
It's awesome though, Yeah, awesome.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Well, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate it.
Thank you, and have fun tonight at the show that's talking.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
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