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Speaker 1 (00:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:56):
Previously on deep Cover, I liked her.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I liked her a lot. She worked really hard, and
she was really humble.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Sarah says that she's going to have to have her
leg amputated, and I was blown away.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
She tells me that, like, she just got diagnosed with
stage four lung cancer.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Could you help me understand why?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
It says that you're a corporal here, and she's like,
I was sexually assaulted on ship by the commanding officer.
The DoD ID number for this D two fourteen belongs
to a corporal so and so, and it's a guy.
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Then fifty percent of this document is altered.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Long before Sarah ever traveled out to Montana, long before
she met Dex or Tom or Natalie. She had a
life in Rhode Island. That's where she grew up, where
she went to high school, where she had made a
home for herself. Rhode Island is tiny. It's the small
estate in the nation. People like to say, in Rhode Island,
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you can't go anywhere without bumping into someone you know. Now,
in such a small place, it seems like it'd be
hard for anyone to keep secrets. But that didn't seem
to stop Sarah Kavanaugh.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Sarah passed herself off as a veteran, specifically a former
US Marine who'd served in Iraq and Afghanistan, who'd been injured,
a decorated war hero. But none of this was true.
Was a story she told about herself, the sprawling lie
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she lived for six whole years. You might think that
to pull this off, she played safe, avoid attention, like
not advertise the lie, because that'd be a great way
to get caught. Seems a lot of right. Instead she
did this.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
Rhode Island is celebrating a national Purple Heart Day, and
there will be a heartfelt tribute for the brave women
and men who have been awarded this special medal. Here
to tell us all about it is a purple Heart
veteran Sarah Kavanall. Sarah, if you can tell us a
little bit about yourself, and you were awarded a purple Heart.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yes, so, I served in the Marine Corps for about
eleven years. That was given at purple Heart for action
to Afghanistan. This is Sarah giving an interview on the
local news. She's speaking about the state's new Purple Heart Trail,
a network of roads dedicated to veterans who were injured
or killed in service. Yeah, it really is an honor
to be a part of this.
Speaker 7 (03:52):
Being able to recognize it and be the voice for
other Purple Heart veterans who may not be comfortable is
really an honor.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Just a few days after this interview aired, Sarah attended
a dedication ceremony for the new Purple Heart Trail. I've
seen a photo of this event. Sarah wore a Marine
quap uniform, pressed neat, immaculate metals gleaming. A sharp white
cap framed her face, her eyes kind of hidden under
the visor. She stood alongside the governor and made a
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speech about patriotism and sacrifice. Sarah told the assembled crowd,
no one earns a purple heart alone. I earned mine
amongst eleven other marines. She added, I have long been
one of those veterans, the ones who wished to fly
under the radar, who merely did what was asked.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
So yes, Sarah really did this. She stood next to
the governor and talked about the meaning of the purple heart,
a purple heart by the way that she bought online.
Part of me wonders, if you're Sarah, why agree to
do this? Because Sarah grew up in Rhode Island and
still had family there, classmates from high school, people who
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knew full well that she was no war hero, and
if any of them had seen her making this speech
or watched her on the local news, they could have
started asking questions, and Sarah's lives could have unraveled so easily.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
But Sarah's lies survived, thrived, in fact, even as she
took risks, reckless risks, risks that seemed destined to backfire,
especially within the tiny context of Rhode Island. But Sarah,
she navigated well in small spaces, and as the walls
closed in, they just keep getting smaller. I'm Jake Colburn
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and I'm Jess McKay. Thank you, And this is deep
Cover Season six, The Truth About Sarah, Episode two, The
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Poster Child. Sarah's lies didn't just happen overnight, but slowly,
over the course of many years, she gradually won people over,
won their trust, won their admiration, and far as we
can tell, all of this really started back in twenty
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sixteen with this guy.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
So people may forget my name, but though, oh hey,
do you know Dave. Dave, oh, the guy with a
handlebar mustache? Oh yeah, I know him.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
To Dave Ainslie. He's an Army vet served over twenty years,
including time in Iraq, where he earned a purple Heart
and a bronze star. In the Army, Dave always had
to keep a close shave, so when he finally got out,
he returned home to Rhode Island.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And I was like, I'm gonna try this facial hair thing.
So I had everything from mutton chops to a goatee
to well, let's try a handlebar mustache.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And that look worked for him. Came like his calling card,
as he put it, so that if you lived anywhere
near his town in Rhode Island, you knew that Dave
the guy with the handlebar mustache. He was the dude
in charge of the local VFW post one point fifty two.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
DFW, by the way, stands for Veterans of Foreign Wars.
It's kind of like a club for veterans where they
can kick back, swap stories, and support each other. Dave
was the commander of this post and his ongoing goal
was to modern eyes the place. He says, when he
first arrived in twenty ten, the vibe was kind of
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like what you might expect, as he put it, smokey bar,
bunch of old guys. Dave loved those old guys, but
he also wanted to open up the doors create an
environment where any and all veterans would feel welcome, especially
the younger generation. So he uped their game on social media,
focused on doing community service, and he set the tone
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with his welcoming personality. Then in twenty sixteen, he meets
Sarah Kavanaugh and apparently she was struggling.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
She explained to me that she just got out of
the Marine Corps and she needed help with some car
payments because she was waiting for VA disability to kick in.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
In other words, Sarah said there'd been some kind of
delay that she was supposed to be getting financial support
from the VA the Department of Veterans Affairs, but there
was a hold up. Indeed, he understood this kind of thing, so.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
We've all been there before. The VA is great organization,
but not always perfect. We wanted to help her.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So many of the charities that help veterans in the
US operate just like this. They try to compensate for
all the government's inefficiencies and shortcomings, and they do this
by jumping in and helping veterans right away when they
need it most. And here was Dave trying to do
exactly that.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
So I said, hey, we're getting ready for the Veterans
State Parade. Meet us over there.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
They were gathering in a parking lot when Sarah shows
up to join them. It's all pretty informal except for
one bit of paperwork.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I said, I need to verify that you're a veteran.
So she showed me what every service member gets when
they leave the service, A two fourteen.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
A d D two fourteen. It's actually a very important
document in the story. You may recall us talking about
it in the last episode. It's the official military discharge
paper explaining how and when someone left the service, and
it's what proves that Sarah is apparently a veteran.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I looked at it. I said, yep, okay, you're a veteran,
Thank you very much. And I was actually excited to
have her because here is a younger veteran and she
seemed very genuine, and it's like, Okay, I'm going to,
you know, be a part of this organization. I'm going
to be a part of this now.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So right there on the spot in the parking lot,
with Sarah standing there, Dave calls for a vote.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
It was a voice vote. Okay, here's this veteran. Here's
her proof. She wants to become a member of our post.
She needs help. Here's her story. Can we give her
the eight hundred and whatever dollars it was that she
needed all in favorsay? II eyes have it. Okay, hey,
we're in the parade. You want to march with us? Sure?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
And like that, Sarah was marching in the annual Veterans
Day parade. I've seen a video of this parade from
a different year, but the mood is timeless. People are
waving flags, the members of a local high school band
are playing their drums and trombones. Veterans are walking down
West Main Street, together waving. The boy Scouts are there too,
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marching past the package store and the antique dealer and
the quilting shop. It's classic America and right there in
the middle of it all was Sarah Kavanaugh, the newest
member of Post one point fifty two.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
As far as was concerned, the day was a win.
Win got to help ve need and he also got
a new member, a fresh face, and a woman too.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I was excited to have a female veteran be part
of our organization because that helps open us our organization
up to another demographic.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And it wasn't just that Sarah was a woman. She
had a great energy about her. She seemed to embody
the new, younger VFW that Dave wanted to build.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
She was the post A child because she was pretty blonde. Um,
she was openly a lesbian, and again that is an
aspect of people who have served that doesn't get represented.
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Well you know what I mean. So she was the
post A child for lack of a better term.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Not to mention, she was also a wounded combat veteran.
This didn't come out right away or in a super
public manner. She would make references to her injuries and
later to the medals that she'd won. Eventually, she showed
up to VFW meetings with purple heart license plates, and
she seemed remarkably resilient.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I liked her story that she was a survivor and
that she served as a beacon of hope for other
veterans who could have been in that same place.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
When folks actually talked to Sarah, she was relatable, even
to the other veterans, the old school guys.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
She could talk to these other veterans, and the other
veterans were like, Okay, yeah, I'm going to put aside
all these other aspects that I may not agree with
about her sexual preference, but I'm going to recognize that
she served.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
A few months after she joined the VFW, Sarah got
engaged to a woman named Nicole. Nicole was originally from
New Mexico. She was very sporty, an avid hiker, played softball,
love the beach. The two of them seemed like a
great match, and of course Sarah's veteran buddy's rally to celebrate.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I think she asked me to organize the bachelorette party.
To be honest with you, sometimes I can be a
little gregarious, so it goes with the Yeah, it goes
with a hand of all mustache. So what we did
was we first met at a German American club up
in Batucket, had a couple of beers there.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Dave invited a bunch of VFW members, including an old
Vietnam Vet. They all enjoyed a few bruskies together.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And then we went down to Providence. We got a
hotel suite, we did some shots, and then we all
put TWU two's on just because you attitude too, Yes
I did, because you're just sort of you're a big dude.
Yes I am.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And for the record, these were rainbow colored two twos.
Once they were all two tuned up, it was picture time.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
So outside of the hotel, we all posed like army men,
you know, like one person's on their knees and one
person's like pointing and everything else. So we all posed
like army green men. And then we went to a
hall at the Moon type bar where the dueling pianos
and we were all singing songs. And then we all
went uh to a gay bar.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And there it was a modern day VFW celebrating in
two two's. It was the sort of VFW that Dave
had envisioned, and it seemed that Sarah had played a
key role in making it happen. And the real proof
of this, the crowning proof, was that a few years later,
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when Dave stepped down as commander of the host, it
was Sarah who took over. She became the next commander,
and then she really was the poster child of post
one p.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Fifty two.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Inside the VFW, there was an understanding that the awards
Sarah had won, the sacrifices she'd made, were fundamentally about service,
about doing her job, about having the backs of her
fellow marines. But in the civilian world, her acts of
valor made her something of a hero for people who'd
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never seen a battlefield. Heroes were the stuff of Hollywood movies,
people you praised and admired. They certainly weren't people whose
credentials you questioned, And in the absence of that kind
of scrutiny, Sarah could truly be that storybook hero, the
perfect blend of valor, tragedy, and triumph. That's wu Sarah
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was at her gym place called training for Warriors in
Rhode Island. We're going to take a deep dive here
into the world of her Gym. Because if you've been wondering,
why would Sarah do any of this, why would she
take such risks? What was in it for her? Well,
the story of her JIM offers some very interesting answers.
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One afternoon last fall, I sat down with one of
the jim's most passionate members.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
My name is Michelle. I'm from East Greenwich, Rhode Island,
and I teach fitness classes.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Do you have a favorite class to teach? Oh?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
Yeah, the boot camps by far Slam the rope, slam
the balls, get that aggression out.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Michelle is in her early sixties with spiky blonde hair.
She reminds me a lot of the moms from where
I grew up outside of Boston. When you first meet her,
her attitude is kind of, what the hell do you want?
Then she'll invite you into her home and make you
a peanut butter ball and you're in.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Michelle and Sarah met at the gym. Sarah presented herself
as a veteran, unemployed and struggling with some injuries. There
were even a few times that Sarah wore these clunky
hearing aids that looked like they were from the nineteen
eighties because she was partially deaf, or so she claimed
to Michelle. One day, Sarah was getting ready to start
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her workout, Michelle noticed that Sarah's sneakers were untied.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
And I was like, oh, your shoes are untied, and
so she's like, oh, I can't. I'm not able to
tie them, and I'm gole sit down, girl, we're tying
those bad boys up.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So, in Michelle's words, she became the primary shoe tire.
On many occasions, Michelle got down on her hands and
knees just tied Sarah's shoes because Sarah didn't have the
dexterity in her fingers to do it herself.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
I just looked at her and said, just because you
ask for help doesn't mean you're helpless. Like, ask for
someone to help you, don't be silly.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And that's sort of.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
The way I live my life. You just do you.
If you want help, ask for it. If you don't
want help, don't ask for it. And if you tell
me to keep a secret, I'm going to keep a secret.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Sarah would eventually tell Michelle a great many secrets about
herself and her tragic past, secrets that would draw Michelle
deep into Sarah's.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
World, Michelle, along with other members of the gym, came
to believe that Sarah was suffering from PTSD. Some days,
out of nowhere, she'd drop into the fetal position. Once,
when someone was taking pictures, Sarah was triggered. She told Michelle,
you see a camera, I see a gun. Michelle stepped
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in and asked the person taking the pictures to move.
This kind of thing. It became a habit for Michelle.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
We would kind of quietly make sure that when she
was in our environment at the gym, she was protected.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Sarah had other triggers too. Any surprises or loud noises
could make her jump literally, which is a real symptom
of PTSD for vets and for Sarah. Kids were also
a problem. Yeah. Kids. She told Michelle that she avoided
them and there was a reason.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
She had told me that she had shot and killed
a twelve year old boy that was the enemy, and
she felt she had a lot of guilt related to
that and a lot of trauma related to that, where
she would wake up picturing herself shooting that young man
and just reliving that episode over and over again.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
At this point in the interview with Michelle. My jaw
was on the floor because, of course this isn't true.
It's another fictional story Sarah told. But of all the
lies I'd heard Sarah tell, that one stands out. If
Sarah was going to make something up about killing someone
in combat, why say it was a child. It just
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seems so bizarre, the kind of thing that would actually
put people off from her. But maybe it's because it's
the kind of story that really does not invite questions.
Michelle grew attached to Sarah, and their friendship really deepened
as they started spending time together outside of the gym.
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They'd go for weekly walks in the woods and meet
for crapes. In those moments, Sarah opened up even more
about her past. She said she'd been hit by an
IED blast in Iraq, that she developed a traumatic brain
injury and damaged her lungs. All of this came out
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piece by peace, one walk at a time, and despite
all she was facing, Sarah remained resilient, upbeat. Even her
nickname at the gym was actually Sunshine.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
She was very likable, she was very charismatic, and then
on top of it, she was a veteran and badass
and had these injuries, and she was coming back from them.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
But a few years into Sarah and Michelle's friendship, Sarah's
health took a decisive turn for the worse. During their
walks in the woods, she couldn't catch her breath. Sometimes
she needs stop altogether. And one day Sarah tells Michelle why.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
She's like, well, I found out why I'm short of breath.
I have terminal cancer. I have burn pit cancer, lung cancer.
So now I'm thinking, shoot, she has no depth perception,
she's deaf in one ear, she has tactile defficiencies, she
has steel plates in her shoulders, she's got a rod
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in her leg, she's got PTSD, and now she's got
burn pit cancer. I'm like, how much more can one
person handle in their life?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
The gym rallied to help Sarah. They raised thousands of dollars.
They cooked her meals and peanut butter balls. One couple
even got her brand new hearing aids. Whatever Sarah said
she needed, the gym community tried to give it to her.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
And all of this was more than just a pet charity.
Was a moment that seemed to clarify what this community
was all about. It wasn't just someplace where you did
burpies and crunches. It was a place where people showed
up each day with and for one another, a place
where when someone was struggling, a hero, someone who'd served
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and suffered and still mustard a little bit of sunshine,
then damn it, you did something about it. You're rallied,
not just because it was the right thing to do,
but because it was an affirmation of who this community was.
It almost seemed like Sarah, with her needs, provided something
that the gym itself needed to.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
The gym buddies showered Sarah with many gifts, and perhaps
the greatest of these was a wedding. Here's how it
went down. Sarah told people at the gym that she
was engaged to Nicole, and their main problem was that
they couldn't find a wedding venue. But there was this
couple from the gym, Kate and Mark Feudy. They're in
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their mid fifties. Both had worked at Duncan Donuts headquarters
where they met and fell in love. That's a New
Englander's dream, if you ask me. They often took Sarah
out for dinner, let her use their pool as part
of her physical therapy. It became really close, almost like
a set of surrogate parents. Kate and Mark also have
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a place up in Vermont. Kay told us that one
day Sarah just kind of dropped the hint, told them, well.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
We want to get married. We just we can't afford it,
but we really want. And she almost like it's almost
like she knew that we have. We said, well, you know,
if you're willing to go to the Northeast Kingdom, we
could see what we could do. You know, if you
wanted to have a wedding, a backyard wedding, you know,
a small backyard wedding. We have a place up there.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
They're underselling it, but orgeous farmhouse originally built in eighteen
fifty one, kind of classic Vermont charm.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
I said to them, I'm like, we have so much
like farmhouse to core, I go, you should just don't
waste money on anything for the wedding. Just use stuff
from around the house, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
So problems. Sarah Nicole now had a picture perfect venue
for free, But for Sarah there was actually a potential
for disaster still lurking. In an act of true boldness,
Sarah had created a guest list that included both people
who believed her to be a war hero and people
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who knew damn well that she wasn't one. You had
her buddies from the gym, from the VFW, and then
you had people like her own parents who knew she'd
never served a day in her life. And if people
started mingling and chatting, as wedding guests tend to do,
Sarah's lie would quickly be outed. Sarah's saving grace, her
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insurance policy, if you will, hinged on yet another lie,
which she'd set in motion months before.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
It all started. One night when Sarah arrived unannounced at
Kate and Mark's house.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
She showed up in a panic at our house, you know,
knocked on the door.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I let her in.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
I was like, what's up, Oh my gosh, what are
you doing. You know I needed to just stop by
because I just bought my paperwork in the mail. Do
you guys want to read it?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
The paperwork, which she hands to them, looks like an
official military document with Sarah's account of a sexual assault
that Sarah claimed happened while she was in the military.
According to Sarah, the military had covered up the whole
thing and punished Sarah for it now. She had the
paperwork detailing the whole ordeal, and it was clear that
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Sarah wanted them to read it right then and there.
Kate didn't know what to say.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
I said, I go, oh, Sarah, I'm like, that's really private,
you know, I'm not I don't know. And she goes, well,
you know, I can't talk to my mom about any
of this stuff because she can't handle it. She just
can't handle any of this stuff. Kate, and I know
you guys can handle it.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Mark and Kate thought it was odd that Sarah was
sharing this paperwork with them. They hadn't asked for corroboration,
but they felt Sarah's need to have someone be with
her in this moment. So Kate sits with Sarah on
the couch as Mark reads the report.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
Here's Mark, I couldn't believe what I was reading. What
this guy did to her and how he beat her
to the point where she was passed out, crushed her face,
her cheekbones. I mean, it was it was horrific.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
And did I believe it? Of course I believed.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
I was reading it, and she's sharing this with me,
so of course I believed it. You know, it was
just it was very emotional to know that this woman
who's sitting right here has gone through this horrific event
in her life. I could cry thinking about it right now.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
As the wedding date approached, Sarah pulled Mark and Kate
aside and asked them for a favor.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
Would you guys mind not mentioning anything about the military
at all to my parents? She was very specific, I
don't want it to really ruin my day.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Mark and Kate they understood why Sarah had made this request.
They both remembered so vividly that night when Sarah showed
up at their door when she showed them the paperwork
with all the details about the sexual assault and how
she was sharing it with them because her own family
couldn't deal with it. According to Sarah, that whole incident
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was still extremely traumatic for her parents, so much so
that any mention of the military at all would upset them.
Sarah explained, they.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Don't like to talk about it, and if you don't mind,
please don't mention anything.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Sarah quietly made a similar request to others as well.
She will decide Dave, her buddy from the VFW, the
guy with the handlebar mustache. She mentioned that her father
was a former general, and then she warned.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Whatever you do, don't talk to my dad about my
service because it's the source object. And I want to
have the wedding night. I sudn't go well. I don't
want any drama.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
They have their wedding. Mark and Kate played the role
of wedding coordinators. Basically, Mark actually cut down a birch
tree so we could build a pergola for Sarah and
Nicole to get married under. They set up the benches
in the backyard and draped tool over the pergola as
an altar. The wedding colors were blue and gold, the
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Marine Corps colors. The veterans might appreciate this understated touch,
but it wouldn't tip off anyone else. And there were
sunflowers Sarah's favorite, in maple syrup buckets along the aisles.
And sure, people talked and chatted and joked and laughed
like they do at weddings when things start to get rowny.
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But somehow Sarah's world stayed separate, or just separate enough
that her lies held. And if this seems hard to believe,
it is this moment, this wedding was something that Jake
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and I were both obsessed with how was it that
no one's drunk uncle asked Sarah about her time in Iraq?
That no cousins started chatting too much to the VFW
guys and figured out sarah charade. But none of this happened.
It was a pretty perfect summer wedding. Sarah emerged from
it unscathed. She lived those two lives for another three
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and a half years until January of twenty twenty two.
That's when Charity started getting suspicious of Sarah's claims and
reached out to the authorities to investigate. Rumors started circulating
that Sarah was an impostor. Word quickly got back to
Dave that the commander of his VFW post might be
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a fraud, and right away Dave picks up the phone.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I contacted Sarah and I said, hey, what's going on,
Like I'm hearing this and she says, yes, some people
are coming after me. And then she started crying and
she's like, whatever you do, don't believe them that they're
trying to mar or you know, disparage me or do whatever.
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I'm like, well, okay, is there anything you need, Like
can we help out? And she says, no, just don't
worry about it. I'm dealing with it.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
But the rumors kept going online. There was chatter people
speculating questioning Sarah's credentials started to snowball.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
As all of this was unfolding. Initially, Dave wasn't too
worried because.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I have the proof that says she's a service member.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And that proof was the DD two fourteen, Sarah's discharge
papers from the military, the document that Sarah first presented
to Dave at the parade six years earlier when she
first joined his VFW post. And now after hearing these
rumors in this story from Sarah, Dave is like.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Hmmm, I don't know what's going on. So I'm going
to get this proof. And then so I call up
the person a records keeper, and I say, hey, I
need a copy of her DD form two fourteen. He said, ooh,
she just left my house two hours ago. She came
here to the house to come get it.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
What's your reaction When he says that to you.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
That's when I start thinking something's not right here.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Definitely not right. And Dave's proof had just vanished because
apparently Sarah was one step ahead of him. Next time
on deep Cover.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right,
and I maximized that while I was lying right people,
when you create space, people fill that space.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Deep Cover The Truth About Sarah was produced by Amy
Gaines McQuaid and Tally Emlin, Additional production support by Sonya Gerwit.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Our show is edited by Karen Chakerjee. Our executive producer
is Jacob Smith, mastering by Jake Gorsky.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Original scoring in our theme were composed by Luis Gara.
Our show art was designed by Sean Carney. Fact checking
by Anica Robbins.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Special thanks to Sarah Nis, Izzy Carter, Daphne Chen, Jake Flanagan,
and Greta Cone. Additional thanks to Vicki Merrick, I'm Jess.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
McHugh and I'm Jake Halpern. My co host, Jess McHugh
(35:48):
is currently researching a book on female con artists.