June 17, 2021 • 22 mins
Since Lost Hills debuted, two sources have come forward with new information about Anthony Rauda: a new, alleged victim and his half-sister.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Pushkin. In season one of Lost Hills, I spent a
lot of time describing the geographical features of the killing
zone where Anthony Rawda allegedly hunted victims in their cars
in a hammock and in a tent. It's raw and wild,
(00:36):
with windy roads, sheer drop offs, cliffs and peaks. There
are also neighborhoods tucked in there and a huge white
Hindu temple. And behind the Hindu temple down a long
road is a private school called Muse. It's all vegan
fashion based learning, which is pretty cool. It's very open.
(00:58):
It's in an old campground area, so it's very very
open area attached the Hills. Muse attracts a specific kind
of parent. Some people come to the school because they
really truly believe that passion based learning is the best
way to do it. Some families come because they really
(01:18):
are passionate about the vegan lifestyle because the school is vegan.
And then other families come because they know that they
will get privacy for their families and their lifestyles are
more publicly known. The school was co founded by Susie
Amos Cameron, the wife of James Cameron, as an avatar
(01:39):
Titanic terminator, and privacy is important there. That's why I
can't say this former teacher's name. When she was hired,
she had to sign an NDA. Well, just we have
some wealthier families or families that are in the movie
business or entertainment business. If there's one thing I've learned
while spending time as a reporter in Malibu, it's that
(02:03):
privacy has a close cousin. It's called secrecy. And in
the months leading up to Anti Any Routs arrest, Muse
school had a secret. But this former teacher didn't know
much about it until one day a couple of homicide
detectives showed up at her door. I'm Dana Goodyear and
(02:26):
this is a Lost Hills bonus episode signs of Anthony.
(02:47):
Before the detectives, there was chatter at school. We wouldn't
have any faculty meetings or staff meetings about it. It
was just occasionally faculty members would talk with each other
about like, hey, this went missing, or did you hear
about this? The murder of Tristan Bodad at Malibu Creek
(03:07):
State Park and the prolifery of stories about other shootings
in the area that had all happened over the summer,
but the teacher doesn't remember anyone talking much about it
on campus. It seems weird to me. There was a
murderer at large. The cops had very few leads, but
it mews across the road from the murder scene. All
the administration was talking about was a couple of missing iPads,
(03:30):
which they didn't seem too concerned about. If we did
have meetings about it, it would just be a side
note like, hey, if you took any of the iPads home,
please let us know and bring them back. But there
were other weird things happening, and the staff was starting
to notice. We knew that staff had been more than
(03:52):
once taken from the kitchen because we have an on
site staff members who cook lunch for the kids every
day and provide snack every day, and things had been
taken from the kitchens and no staff member was taking
quantities of food fall Other businesses near the park began
to notice missing items breakfast, sandwiches, and snacks. Images were
(04:16):
captured on a security camera of a man with a
backpack and something sticking out of it, a rifle. Later on,
people started talking about how there was somebody who was
just loose in the wilderness who was just walking around.
And then at one point one of the operations members
said that they had seen somebody on one of the
(04:38):
hiking trails with like a backpack and something in the backpack.
That's when people, through rumors and talking with each other,
not in big meetings, but just talking with each other,
kind of started connecting dots that it was probably the
same person. Then in October, Anthony Rowda was arrested at
his camp a couple of miles from US. As I
(04:59):
described in an earlier episode, Rouda had seven electronic devices.
Investigators pulled a ton of data from them, locations, search histories, PDFs.
It's all a big part of the case against him.
But they also found something else, and this has never
been made public until now. In one of the cell phones,
(05:21):
they discovered the name, phone number and a home address
for this former teacher from US school I've been talking to.
So I didn't really know much about it at first,
and then I was contacted by a detective on the
phone and they called me and they said that they'd
like to speak to me about something. And then later
(05:42):
that day they showed up at my door, him and
his partner and they just started asking me some questions,
and they asked if I'd known about him, and then
told me that he had my phone number and my
first name and my maiden name in his phone and
my old address, and I was kind of shocked. And
then I asked if this was the same person who
(06:05):
did the killings, and they asked why I was wondering that,
and I said, well, I work right across the street
from where those things were happening, and then they were like, oh, okay.
The next day, the teacher went to the administration. As
soon as I got to work, I immediately went scheduled
a meeting with our HR person. It's worth noting that
(06:27):
a representative for Susie Anus Cameron declined to answer questions
about any of this. I told them that this had happened,
that the detectives might want to come on site to
talk to me again if they had more questions, which
the detective had mentioned might be a possibility, and that's
when I was told that some files had been gotten
(06:53):
into by someone and that mine was one of them.
So then, how did you feel? Really scared? We knew
about things being taken from the kitchen, but that was
only from word of mouth, and that our personal information
and could have been seen by who knows who was
(07:14):
really scary. Finally the story started to come out, and
it was even creepier than the teacher had feared. That
turns out that the three people whose information he ended
up having we are all three female, we all have
dark hair, and we all have classes, which felt I
(07:34):
don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but it
felt really really unnerving to figure that part out, so
you felt like it could be something specific to you.
It did feel kind of like that. I mean, but
it's like, how would he even know who's who? But
if he didn't have everybody's information, why would he just
have our three information. It's a very unnerving feeling. The
(07:59):
teacher says the experience of teaching in Malibu Canyon changed her.
I think a culture where secrets are kept and willingly
kept as not a great culture to have. She left
muse and went to work at a school in the
city where you have to show an ID before you
get buzzed in. That feels safe, but she still has
(08:22):
no idea what to make of her brush with Anthony Rowda.
So it's just kind of in the back of my head,
like what was going to happen? Will something happen if
he ever gets out, it's something going to happen. Do
I need to move again or change my name or
change my number? Why did he choose her? What did
(08:43):
he want? In this creepy and mysterious way he'd made
contact without actually connecting, like when you pick up the
phone and there's someone on the line, but they don't
make a sound. I spent years trying to find someone
(09:28):
who actually knew Anthony Rowda, who would talk to me
about him, Sharon anecdote or story or anything. Then after
the first couple episodes of the show came out, I
got a call. So I'm going to try not to
say your name because I know we're not using your name,
but your Anthony Rowda's younger sister, right, yes, half sister.
(09:55):
I knew about her. Ozzie's youngest child. She's from his
second marriage, the family he started after Anthony and his
older siblings moved away to Florida. She's in her twenties
and she still lives with Ozzie and her mom. I
always knew growing up that I had two half brothers
and a half sister. We had a big age gap,
(10:17):
the family was fractured. She's still never met her older
sister Lisa, the one whose door I knocked on in
episode five, and she doesn't really know her older brother Michael.
But Anthony the most mysterious of her siblings. Ironically, he's
the one she spent the most time with growing up.
Anthony would sometimes stay at our house. He would live
(10:43):
with us for short periods of time on and off,
and I did know growing up that he liked to
stay to himself. He was more of an outdoorsman, and
he liked to basically kind of be isolated and live
(11:03):
out in the wilderness. By now, Roda's little sister says,
a lot of people have seen images of her brother
in a spit mask and restraint chair, heard him spouting
off and swearing at his lawyer and the judge, but
no one is representing the Anthony she knows, gentle shy Anthony,
so it's up to her. My recollection starts around maybe
(11:27):
eight or nine years old. I was always excited because
growing up I was an only child in my household,
So knowing that I had a half brother or half brothers,
I was really excited and I wanted to interact, but
he was just really quiet, so I couldn't really form
(11:50):
that brotherly sisterly bond, whereas you know, if you live
in the same household, you interact every day, you get
to know each other, right, But I wasn't able to
do that. He was just more reserved. So I would
just do my own thing, and that he would do
his own thing. She describes an unusual arrangement where Anthony
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didn't really interact with her or her mom. He spoke
almost exclusively to Ozzie. She would though, see these fleeting
glimpses of the big brother she wanted. I remember one
instance where we had just gone grocery shopping, all four
of us, and so my dad, my mom, myself and
Anthony and we were coming into the house and for
(12:37):
some reason I didn't want to help with the groceries,
and Anthony was very quick to tell me, no, you
need to go out there and you need to help.
That's what we do, We help. So I guess that
in a way explains his character of always trying to help,
always trying to be helpful, and I guess be responsible
(13:03):
in the sense where you know we're always doing the
right thing by our parents, and when you're living in
someone else's house, you always try to help out as
much as you can. I asked her to think of
some more memories of Anthony relaxed and comfortable. It takes
her a minute, but there was one time when Anthony
was staying with them and their cousin came over. My
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cousin Eric was reminiscing about them growing up, and Anthony
got this big smile on his face and was just
laughing about whatever they were reminiscing on. I don't remember
specifically the topic or the childhood memory, but I do
remember Anthony just laughing with a big smile on his face.
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As she got older, she puzzled over why her brother
chose to be alone. I mean, Anthony, he's a good
looking man, you know, when he's cleaned up. When he
would live with us, he was cleaned up. He was
clean shaven, very polite, He had manners. So to me
it was like, okay, when are you going to have
a girlfriend? You know, But that's right around the time
(14:13):
when he would leave and then he would come back.
So that was the pattern. In spite of Ozzie's best efforts,
Anthony was always on the way out, and when Anthony
would disappear again, Ozzie still wanted to look after him. There.
I wouldn't say close, but they're how a father and
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son would act, like a long distance father son relationship.
You know, when someone who's living off the grid like that,
they try to stay in touch as much as they can,
like check in wise, how you're doing, Okay, Yeah, do
you need any money? Sure? And my dad would send money.
(14:59):
I would say he grew accustomed to Anthony living that
wilderness lifestyle, being on his own. He knew that Anthony
liked that, so he just wanted to do the best
he could and give him any type of support that
he could, whether it be financially or emotionally. Sometimes that
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men going out and tracking him down in the middle
of nowhere. I remember times when my dad would tell
me that he hadn't heard from Anthony, so we would
go driving around looking for him. Azzi and his little girl,
searching the mountains, driving slowly down back roads, scanning the
brush for any sign of Anthony. I remember one time
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we went I don't even remember the city, but we
went to go eat sushi, and I remember it was
a long drive. We went up to this dirt road
and we were just looking and I believe he got
a phone call or somehow, But we ended up meeting
up with Anthony, and I know that we gave him
(16:07):
some food and some clothes, and after that we just
went our separate ways. But her brother wasn't just moving
back and forth between the mountains and her childhood home.
He was also in and out of jail in prison.
I remember my dad receiving a letter from Anthony and
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it had all those great artwork on it. I think
it was flowers, and I believe one was a hummingbird.
It was beautiful, all the details. So this was another
side of Anthony, the artwork and the problems. I would
remember my dad would go and visit Anthony. So that's
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when I became aware that he was getting in trouble
with the law. I would just think, Oh, he's getting
into some trouble. I wouldn't say dangerous stuff, but I
would just say trouble because they wouldn't really go into
detail with me about what he was being arrested for
or anything of that nature. I just knew that we
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were going to go visit my brother. Did you visit
him in jail ever? Or prison. We did try to
go visit him in prison at full sum but we
weren't allowed in. But I do remember one visitation where
we went and he was in jail. A while back,
sitting outside of one of Rowda's hearings, Ozzie told me
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that sometimes Anthony's problems spilled over into his life and
his home. He was living with us, and then there
was a span of time where he wasn't and then
next thing we know, my dad was being contacted by
the detectives. Me and my mom were home. I think
we're in bed, we were waking up, and then my
dad comes and he goes the detectives are here. They
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want to talk, and then next thing we know where
our house is being searched. Were you scared? It's just
more like, what's going on? I know I had to
stay in my room and I think they had two officers,
if I'm not mistaken. And then they were just talking
to me about a piano I had in my room,
(18:23):
just basically trying to distract me from whatever was going on.
Anthony wasn't there for the raid, but it marked a
turning point. I think my mom had some worries, but
you know, she wanted to support her husband and support
my dad's relationship with Anthony, So I think that she
was a little more hesitant about if he ever came
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back to live with us again, that there would be
certain rules or to not use our address because of
you know, what would the neighbors think that all these
police cars are outside searching the house. Roda's sister tells
me she hasn't seen him in a good ten years,
and the current situation it's bewildering. It's kind of shocking,
(19:09):
and it's more baffling that he's on trial for these
crimes and which is just seems so out of character
from the Anthony that I know. I'm worried for the
sake of my dad because I know that he loves Anthony.
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He wants nothing but the best for Anthony, and I
know that it hurts him to see how this is
going about. So I'm more worried for my dad and
his health and his stress and how it's affecting him.
I've never seen Anthony yell or get angry, but when
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I saw it on the news, that was alarming because
I've never seen him like that that it almost didn't
look like him. She doesn't know if he's mentally ill
or what's going on. I think his anger is coming
from the fact that he's being incarcerated for something that
he didn't do. That's where I feel like his anger
(20:14):
is coming from, because from what I know of Anthony
growing up, seeing him being very reserved, very quiet, it
doesn't seem like he's capable of something like this, And
even to the extent of my father saying, you know,
I don't think that he did this, because that's not
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in Anthony's character to do something of that malice. I
guess that's where myself and my dad are having that
tough time because we don't see Anthony ever being capable
of something like this, So the fact that he's being
accused of it is just so bizarre to us, and
(20:59):
it's just so shocking. Rada's little sister spent childhood searching
for her brother when they shared a home and when
he was out in the wilderness. It seems like she's
still searching, trying to get a handle on him and
the situation he's in. At the time of this taping.
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Rowda's criminal trial is still on hold while his mental
health is being assessed, but it seems like Rowda's little
sister is hoping for a trial. I'm just more or
less shocked by everything that's going on. So that's why
I'm curious to see what evidence is going to be
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brought up in trial and how that's going to come about.
I just want to hear it for myself. She wants
to support her brother and finally to get some clarity.
Is he the gentle person she remembers or the monster
she's seen on TV? Which is the truth? For her,
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it all comes down to a simple either or. The
question is did he or did he not do it?
If she can come to an understanding about that, maybe
she'll finally understand the person she loves, her brother, who
has always been just out of reach,
Pushkin. In season one of Lost Hills, I spent a
lot of time describing the geographical features of the killing
zone where Anthony Rawda allegedly hunted victims in their cars
in a hammock and in a tent. It's raw and wild,
(00:36):
with windy roads, sheer drop offs, cliffs and peaks. There
are also neighborhoods tucked in there and a huge white
Hindu temple. And behind the Hindu temple down a long
road is a private school called Muse. It's all vegan
fashion based learning, which is pretty cool. It's very open.
(00:58):
It's in an old campground area, so it's very very
open area attached the Hills. Muse attracts a specific kind
of parent. Some people come to the school because they
really truly believe that passion based learning is the best
way to do it. Some families come because they really
(01:18):
are passionate about the vegan lifestyle because the school is vegan.
And then other families come because they know that they
will get privacy for their families and their lifestyles are
more publicly known. The school was co founded by Susie
Amos Cameron, the wife of James Cameron, as an avatar
(01:39):
Titanic terminator, and privacy is important there. That's why I
can't say this former teacher's name. When she was hired,
she had to sign an NDA. Well, just we have
some wealthier families or families that are in the movie
business or entertainment business. If there's one thing I've learned
while spending time as a reporter in Malibu, it's that
(02:03):
privacy has a close cousin. It's called secrecy. And in
the months leading up to Anti Any Routs arrest, Muse
school had a secret. But this former teacher didn't know
much about it until one day a couple of homicide
detectives showed up at her door. I'm Dana Goodyear and
(02:26):
this is a Lost Hills bonus episode signs of Anthony.
(02:47):
Before the detectives, there was chatter at school. We wouldn't
have any faculty meetings or staff meetings about it. It
was just occasionally faculty members would talk with each other
about like, hey, this went missing, or did you hear
about this? The murder of Tristan Bodad at Malibu Creek
(03:07):
State Park and the prolifery of stories about other shootings
in the area that had all happened over the summer,
but the teacher doesn't remember anyone talking much about it
on campus. It seems weird to me. There was a
murderer at large. The cops had very few leads, but
it mews across the road from the murder scene. All
the administration was talking about was a couple of missing iPads,
(03:30):
which they didn't seem too concerned about. If we did
have meetings about it, it would just be a side
note like, hey, if you took any of the iPads home,
please let us know and bring them back. But there
were other weird things happening, and the staff was starting
to notice. We knew that staff had been more than
(03:52):
once taken from the kitchen because we have an on
site staff members who cook lunch for the kids every
day and provide snack every day, and things had been
taken from the kitchens and no staff member was taking
quantities of food fall Other businesses near the park began
to notice missing items breakfast, sandwiches, and snacks. Images were
(04:16):
captured on a security camera of a man with a
backpack and something sticking out of it, a rifle. Later on,
people started talking about how there was somebody who was
just loose in the wilderness who was just walking around.
And then at one point one of the operations members
said that they had seen somebody on one of the
(04:38):
hiking trails with like a backpack and something in the backpack.
That's when people, through rumors and talking with each other,
not in big meetings, but just talking with each other,
kind of started connecting dots that it was probably the
same person. Then in October, Anthony Rowda was arrested at
his camp a couple of miles from US. As I
(04:59):
described in an earlier episode, Rouda had seven electronic devices.
Investigators pulled a ton of data from them, locations, search histories, PDFs.
It's all a big part of the case against him.
But they also found something else, and this has never
been made public until now. In one of the cell phones,
(05:21):
they discovered the name, phone number and a home address
for this former teacher from US school I've been talking to.
So I didn't really know much about it at first,
and then I was contacted by a detective on the
phone and they called me and they said that they'd
like to speak to me about something. And then later
(05:42):
that day they showed up at my door, him and
his partner and they just started asking me some questions,
and they asked if I'd known about him, and then
told me that he had my phone number and my
first name and my maiden name in his phone and
my old address, and I was kind of shocked. And
then I asked if this was the same person who
(06:05):
did the killings, and they asked why I was wondering that,
and I said, well, I work right across the street
from where those things were happening, and then they were like, oh, okay.
The next day, the teacher went to the administration. As
soon as I got to work, I immediately went scheduled
a meeting with our HR person. It's worth noting that
(06:27):
a representative for Susie Anus Cameron declined to answer questions
about any of this. I told them that this had happened,
that the detectives might want to come on site to
talk to me again if they had more questions, which
the detective had mentioned might be a possibility, and that's
when I was told that some files had been gotten
(06:53):
into by someone and that mine was one of them.
So then, how did you feel? Really scared? We knew
about things being taken from the kitchen, but that was
only from word of mouth, and that our personal information
and could have been seen by who knows who was
(07:14):
really scary. Finally the story started to come out, and
it was even creepier than the teacher had feared. That
turns out that the three people whose information he ended
up having we are all three female, we all have
dark hair, and we all have classes, which felt I
(07:34):
don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but it
felt really really unnerving to figure that part out, so
you felt like it could be something specific to you.
It did feel kind of like that. I mean, but
it's like, how would he even know who's who? But
if he didn't have everybody's information, why would he just
have our three information. It's a very unnerving feeling. The
(07:59):
teacher says the experience of teaching in Malibu Canyon changed her.
I think a culture where secrets are kept and willingly
kept as not a great culture to have. She left
muse and went to work at a school in the
city where you have to show an ID before you
get buzzed in. That feels safe, but she still has
(08:22):
no idea what to make of her brush with Anthony Rowda.
So it's just kind of in the back of my head,
like what was going to happen? Will something happen if
he ever gets out, it's something going to happen. Do
I need to move again or change my name or
change my number? Why did he choose her? What did
(08:43):
he want? In this creepy and mysterious way he'd made
contact without actually connecting, like when you pick up the
phone and there's someone on the line, but they don't
make a sound. I spent years trying to find someone
(09:28):
who actually knew Anthony Rowda, who would talk to me
about him, Sharon anecdote or story or anything. Then after
the first couple episodes of the show came out, I
got a call. So I'm going to try not to
say your name because I know we're not using your name,
but your Anthony Rowda's younger sister, right, yes, half sister.
(09:55):
I knew about her. Ozzie's youngest child. She's from his
second marriage, the family he started after Anthony and his
older siblings moved away to Florida. She's in her twenties
and she still lives with Ozzie and her mom. I
always knew growing up that I had two half brothers
and a half sister. We had a big age gap,
(10:17):
the family was fractured. She's still never met her older
sister Lisa, the one whose door I knocked on in
episode five, and she doesn't really know her older brother Michael.
But Anthony the most mysterious of her siblings. Ironically, he's
the one she spent the most time with growing up.
Anthony would sometimes stay at our house. He would live
(10:43):
with us for short periods of time on and off,
and I did know growing up that he liked to
stay to himself. He was more of an outdoorsman, and
he liked to basically kind of be isolated and live
(11:03):
out in the wilderness. By now, Roda's little sister says,
a lot of people have seen images of her brother
in a spit mask and restraint chair, heard him spouting
off and swearing at his lawyer and the judge, but
no one is representing the Anthony she knows, gentle shy Anthony,
so it's up to her. My recollection starts around maybe
(11:27):
eight or nine years old. I was always excited because
growing up I was an only child in my household,
So knowing that I had a half brother or half brothers,
I was really excited and I wanted to interact, but
he was just really quiet, so I couldn't really form
(11:50):
that brotherly sisterly bond, whereas you know, if you live
in the same household, you interact every day, you get
to know each other, right, But I wasn't able to
do that. He was just more reserved. So I would
just do my own thing, and that he would do
his own thing. She describes an unusual arrangement where Anthony
(12:13):
didn't really interact with her or her mom. He spoke
almost exclusively to Ozzie. She would though, see these fleeting
glimpses of the big brother she wanted. I remember one
instance where we had just gone grocery shopping, all four
of us, and so my dad, my mom, myself and
Anthony and we were coming into the house and for
(12:37):
some reason I didn't want to help with the groceries,
and Anthony was very quick to tell me, no, you
need to go out there and you need to help.
That's what we do, We help. So I guess that
in a way explains his character of always trying to help,
always trying to be helpful, and I guess be responsible
(13:03):
in the sense where you know we're always doing the
right thing by our parents, and when you're living in
someone else's house, you always try to help out as
much as you can. I asked her to think of
some more memories of Anthony relaxed and comfortable. It takes
her a minute, but there was one time when Anthony
was staying with them and their cousin came over. My
(13:25):
cousin Eric was reminiscing about them growing up, and Anthony
got this big smile on his face and was just
laughing about whatever they were reminiscing on. I don't remember
specifically the topic or the childhood memory, but I do
remember Anthony just laughing with a big smile on his face.
(13:49):
As she got older, she puzzled over why her brother
chose to be alone. I mean, Anthony, he's a good
looking man, you know, when he's cleaned up. When he
would live with us, he was cleaned up. He was
clean shaven, very polite, He had manners. So to me
it was like, okay, when are you going to have
a girlfriend? You know, But that's right around the time
(14:13):
when he would leave and then he would come back.
So that was the pattern. In spite of Ozzie's best efforts,
Anthony was always on the way out, and when Anthony
would disappear again, Ozzie still wanted to look after him. There.
I wouldn't say close, but they're how a father and
(14:35):
son would act, like a long distance father son relationship.
You know, when someone who's living off the grid like that,
they try to stay in touch as much as they can,
like check in wise, how you're doing, Okay, Yeah, do
you need any money? Sure? And my dad would send money.
(14:59):
I would say he grew accustomed to Anthony living that
wilderness lifestyle, being on his own. He knew that Anthony
liked that, so he just wanted to do the best
he could and give him any type of support that
he could, whether it be financially or emotionally. Sometimes that
(15:23):
men going out and tracking him down in the middle
of nowhere. I remember times when my dad would tell
me that he hadn't heard from Anthony, so we would
go driving around looking for him. Azzi and his little girl,
searching the mountains, driving slowly down back roads, scanning the
brush for any sign of Anthony. I remember one time
(15:45):
we went I don't even remember the city, but we
went to go eat sushi, and I remember it was
a long drive. We went up to this dirt road
and we were just looking and I believe he got
a phone call or somehow, But we ended up meeting
up with Anthony, and I know that we gave him
(16:07):
some food and some clothes, and after that we just
went our separate ways. But her brother wasn't just moving
back and forth between the mountains and her childhood home.
He was also in and out of jail in prison.
I remember my dad receiving a letter from Anthony and
(16:30):
it had all those great artwork on it. I think
it was flowers, and I believe one was a hummingbird.
It was beautiful, all the details. So this was another
side of Anthony, the artwork and the problems. I would
remember my dad would go and visit Anthony. So that's
(16:53):
when I became aware that he was getting in trouble
with the law. I would just think, Oh, he's getting
into some trouble. I wouldn't say dangerous stuff, but I
would just say trouble because they wouldn't really go into
detail with me about what he was being arrested for
or anything of that nature. I just knew that we
(17:16):
were going to go visit my brother. Did you visit
him in jail ever? Or prison. We did try to
go visit him in prison at full sum but we
weren't allowed in. But I do remember one visitation where
we went and he was in jail. A while back,
sitting outside of one of Rowda's hearings, Ozzie told me
(17:38):
that sometimes Anthony's problems spilled over into his life and
his home. He was living with us, and then there
was a span of time where he wasn't and then
next thing we know, my dad was being contacted by
the detectives. Me and my mom were home. I think
we're in bed, we were waking up, and then my
dad comes and he goes the detectives are here. They
(18:02):
want to talk, and then next thing we know where
our house is being searched. Were you scared? It's just
more like, what's going on? I know I had to
stay in my room and I think they had two officers,
if I'm not mistaken. And then they were just talking
to me about a piano I had in my room,
(18:23):
just basically trying to distract me from whatever was going on.
Anthony wasn't there for the raid, but it marked a
turning point. I think my mom had some worries, but
you know, she wanted to support her husband and support
my dad's relationship with Anthony, So I think that she
was a little more hesitant about if he ever came
(18:47):
back to live with us again, that there would be
certain rules or to not use our address because of
you know, what would the neighbors think that all these
police cars are outside searching the house. Roda's sister tells
me she hasn't seen him in a good ten years,
and the current situation it's bewildering. It's kind of shocking,
(19:09):
and it's more baffling that he's on trial for these
crimes and which is just seems so out of character
from the Anthony that I know. I'm worried for the
sake of my dad because I know that he loves Anthony.
(19:30):
He wants nothing but the best for Anthony, and I
know that it hurts him to see how this is
going about. So I'm more worried for my dad and
his health and his stress and how it's affecting him.
I've never seen Anthony yell or get angry, but when
(19:53):
I saw it on the news, that was alarming because
I've never seen him like that that it almost didn't
look like him. She doesn't know if he's mentally ill
or what's going on. I think his anger is coming
from the fact that he's being incarcerated for something that
he didn't do. That's where I feel like his anger
(20:14):
is coming from, because from what I know of Anthony
growing up, seeing him being very reserved, very quiet, it
doesn't seem like he's capable of something like this, And
even to the extent of my father saying, you know,
I don't think that he did this, because that's not
(20:35):
in Anthony's character to do something of that malice. I
guess that's where myself and my dad are having that
tough time because we don't see Anthony ever being capable
of something like this, So the fact that he's being
accused of it is just so bizarre to us, and
(20:59):
it's just so shocking. Rada's little sister spent childhood searching
for her brother when they shared a home and when
he was out in the wilderness. It seems like she's
still searching, trying to get a handle on him and
the situation he's in. At the time of this taping.
(21:22):
Rowda's criminal trial is still on hold while his mental
health is being assessed, but it seems like Rowda's little
sister is hoping for a trial. I'm just more or
less shocked by everything that's going on. So that's why
I'm curious to see what evidence is going to be
(21:43):
brought up in trial and how that's going to come about.
I just want to hear it for myself. She wants
to support her brother and finally to get some clarity.
Is he the gentle person she remembers or the monster
she's seen on TV? Which is the truth? For her,
(22:05):
it all comes down to a simple either or. The
question is did he or did he not do it?
If she can come to an understanding about that, maybe
she'll finally understand the person she loves, her brother, who
has always been just out of reach,
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Dana Goodyear
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