August 6, 2024 • 37 mins
Keith Harper and Clinton Abrams race to discover what happened to Dia, enlisting a cadre of private investigators and psychics.
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Now onto the episode last time on Where's Dear?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
From the outside looking in, she had the perfect life.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
She got this money thing where it was everything everything
to her and it just created a monster.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
When we're so on Harper the place and we'll check
them down the road, and.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
You just thought dollar signed.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
She turned to me and she said, if anything ever
happens to me, Clinton did it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
In the aftermath of DEA's disappearance, Keith Harper wrote letters
to local police the Riverside County Sheriff. He was trying
to persuade them to keep looking for her. And he
also tried something unexpected or at least surprising to me
for a guy like Harper. He caught up psychics across
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the country to try and persuade them to look for Dea. Yes, psychics,
and that's how a guy called Kelly Snyder got pulled
into all of this.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Keith Harper, who stated he was the fiance of Dia,
contacted our organization. I believe it was in February or
March of twenty twenty one, which was about eight months
after Dia went missing.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Kelly worked for the DEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration, for
two decades, but now he runs a missing person's nonprofit
called find Me. They mostly work on cold cases and
they try to find people who've been missing for years,
sometimes decades. They have search teams, divers, cadaver dogs, the works. Oh,
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and they also work with all kinds of psychics.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
Almost all of them have the clairvoyant and the clatent,
you know, all the c and then some of them
are mediums so they're actually able to talk to the
dead person.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Then we have remote viewers.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Kelly says they've had a lot of success using his
team of around one hundred psychics who live all over
the world. He tells me they've helped solve one hundred
and twenty one cases, and it seems like they've gotten
some attention over the years. Bruce Willis once attended a
find Me fundraiser.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
I think I've only had two people currently in the
group that do channeling.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But anyway back to how Kelly got dragged into all
of this, Harper had reached out asking for help, and.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
He asked us to investigate it using our methodologies, And
unbeknownst to me at the time, he was already contacting
various psychics around the country.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Was his behavior kind of normal for someone in his situation?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Actually, he was an incredible pain in the ass. He
would constantly call me, constantly text me when do you
think you might be able to do this? And what
kind of information are you getting? Is Thea dead? Is
Dea alive? This kind of crapple.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Harper was convinced that Kelly with his crew of psychics
could uncover what happened to Dea. Before Kelly decided whether
to get involved, he called Riverside Sheriff's Department. He always
contacts local law enforcement before taking on a case. He
wanted to know if they'd be interested in receiving any
information he might find. Kelly says he spoke to a
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Riverside sergeant.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
They were and he immediately started telling me that Keith
Harper was one of the people that they had as
a person of interest, and he said there are others
that I will not name to you, but since Keith
is asking for your help, I wanted you to know
that he is a person of interest.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
In the case.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
By the way, the cops wouldn't confirm that with me.
They also won't share names of official suspects, but Harper
did tell me that they've questioned him multiple times. After
his call with the sergeant, Kelly brought up what he'd
learned with Harper and he.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Said, yes, I'm aware that I am a person of
interest and I'm probably their primary suspect. And I said
why do you say that, and he goes, well, shortly
after Dia went missing, I had to go out of town.
And that raised a lot of eyebrows. And I said, well,
when did you leave and he said it was about
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two and a half days after she went missing. And
originally he told me he had something that he had
to do in New Mexico and here in Arizona, but
I forget what he told me he had to do.
And then I said, well, why couldn't you postpone it?
And he said, one of the reasons I had to
go out of town was I had to report to
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my probation officer.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And there's that probation story again. You might remember from
our first episode. A friend of DearS also said that
Harper talked about leaving town with deers dog Ruby to
check in with a probation officer. Harper denies saying that, though,
and still insists to me that he was heading to
Arizona to pay a tax bill. What were some of
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your thoughts at the beginning of all this towards Keith
and towards what might have happened?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Well, yeah, I mean I originally I just had him
labeled somewhere in the seventy five to ninety range as
far as being guilty, and he had every reason to
harm her, but so did Chrissara and Clinton, just because
so much money's.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Involved Clinton and Krossara DEA's children.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So that's always been on my mind, and I've talked
during numerous times about it, confronted him on numerous occasions,
and I just get the feeling that he knows a
little bit more than he's trying to share with me.
But then I don't. I don't have that eighty ninety
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percent feeling anymore. If anything, he's probably fifty percent involved
in some capacity, but you know, all three of them
have a reason to have her deceased. They're going to
be incredibly wealthy.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You might remember, just two weeks before dear went missing,
she revised the details of her trust. She put Keith
Harper and her friend Diana Fetta in charge should anything
happen to her. That meant the ranch, her assets, everything
she owned was legally in their hands. So, while Harper
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was hounding Kelly, the cops and all those psychics, Clinton
mounted his own search. He recruited lawyers to fight Harper
and Diana in court, and he hired private investigators to
start digging. And so too camps form Clinton with his
team of lawyers and private investigators, and Harper with all
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his efforts to get people like Kelly and the psychics
to help. Both men racing to pin Deer's disappearance on
each other.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah, there's so many unknowns and ups and downs in this,
and it literally all surrounds the fact that she was
so wealthy. Money talks and bullshit walks.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I'm Lucy Sheriff, and this is where's dea Episode three
Inside Information. When I first get in touch with Harper
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a few months after DEA's disappearance. He bounces all these
theories off me of what might have happened, But after
a while he whittles the theories down to two main possibilities.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
She taken or she leaves on our court.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
If she was taken, you now she stinks over and
over over and over again to me and others. There
if I disappear, and if my son's.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Doing He's convinced that in either scenario it all leads
back to Clinton. If Deer ran away, it was because
she was scared of him, and if she was kidnapped,
it was on Clinton's orders. And then at some point
Harper even starts to believe he's in danger.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I'm always still at risk at all the time if
they kill.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
But if they did kill her, just plot stumble so.
Speaker 10 (10:42):
And when you say, when you say they, you're talking
about her family, Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
He goes back and forth between these two theories, between
wanting to believe Dear is still alive and having this
hunch that's something terrible has happened to her. It can
get a little confusing.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
So Who's I don't want to.
Speaker 11 (11:06):
Lead in the wrong world, but I'm going through a
logical explanation.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
As time goes on, Harper's search intensifies, and so do
his calls to me. These are just some of the
voice flails he left me.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Anyway, this story is getting ready to blow wide open.
If you want some information.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
We can talk somewhere. In all of the conversations, I
realized he was becoming quite the regular presence in.
Speaker 9 (11:40):
My life, just checking in with you.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And I was starting to feel a little uncomfortable with that.
He catches me while I'm out driving, cooking dinner, or
out with my friends.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Thank you for all the service that you do. I'm
people and you're dead.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Thanks buy Oh, and he thinks my name is Lacy,
despite my repeated attempts to correct him.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Give me your name one more time so I can
put a name.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
With a numbers.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
Name is Lucy l you see why. And my surname
is Sheriff, like the cop, but with two r's and
two s's.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
He never got it, and he still calls me Lucy.
At one point, the calls got so bad that I
had to take a break.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Ale the Harper.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I'm just trying to test me, said, you said it'd
be about ten days before you got back.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I'll try to call you maybe later this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Remember how Kelly said Harper was really persistent. Yeah, I
knew exactly what he meant. It felt like Harper was
trying to pull me in as a teammate.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
An ally, we think the kind of the idea that
you're too busy for this boy. If that's true, let
me know and we'll see. What are you to correcommend somebody?
But vans are starting to happen. I'm going I need
you onboard for.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It. All got to be too much. I didn't speak
to him for a good few months, and to be honest,
it was great to have a break. But then I
got this nagging feeling like I had to find a
way to finish the story. And there was something else
that happened, which be warned is a little la woo
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woo and definitely not very British of me. I often
have incredibly detailed, insightful dreams, and I had one of
those dreams. I was hiking on a narrow switchback path,
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ducking under branches, heading towards the mountains. It was sunny,
and I felt a piece and then I heard a voice,
a male voice, and it said, just one thing, find dear,
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and then I woke up the next day. I took
a deep breath, picked up my phone, and I dialed
half his number.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Hi, how are you?
Speaker 9 (14:43):
Oh God, Spennis hell of a rats.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
For a year, a lot had happened since we last spoke.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
They had now almost pinpoint where she is. What sat.
Speaker 10 (14:59):
Do they think she's alive?
Speaker 9 (15:01):
Yes, they base steps.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
They believe that.
Speaker 9 (15:06):
They believed that she was burked.
Speaker 10 (15:12):
And why do they think that.
Speaker 9 (15:17):
Well, hey, they just have some inside information.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's I'm going to pause here for a minute and
talk about this inside information, which came from Kelly's psychics.
After Kelly finally agreed to help Harper, he put his
psychics on the case. Oh and by the way, Kelly
doesn't get paid by Harper or the cops. Anyway, Kelly
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sent an email to his entire network, all one hundred
or so of them, asking who was interested in helping,
and he gave them some basic information.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
Every time we receive a missing person case like then
them a photograph, the address or GPS coortner, the last
place the person would been, and then I say, what happened?
What are the circumstances surrounding the disappearance? And where is
that person right now?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I just want to say I've lived in LA for
long enough now to just accept that this guy, this
x DEA agent who is a gruff, meat and potatoes
kind of guy, uses psychics to find missing people. Generally speaking,
it's hard to say how seriously law enforcement takes psychic information.
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A lot of departments categorically say they don't use them.
But I did find a rather amusing report from the
California Department of Justice. It's old, it was published in
the nineties, but it shares some tips on how law
enforcement could use psychics. And it refers to officers who
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said psychics quote provided them with otherwise unknown information and
that in some cases is quote missing bodies were discovered
in areas described by the psychic. So there's that. But
back to Kelly. After he wrote to his psychic network,
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more than half responded saying they had information about Dea.
So where do you think dear is?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Well, if you're asking the question dead or alive the.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Seed This is the first time I've heard someone definitively
say they think Dea is dead. And yes, I know
this information is coming from a team of psychics. But
Kelly takes it at face value, and just to be clear,
the psychics don't receive names from Kelly of any possible suspects,
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and they're told not to confer with each other either.
The psychics who responded to Kelly's callout shared information about
who they thought were responsible for DEA's death. Thirteen of
them said Dea had been abducted and killed by her boyfriend, husband,
or significant other. A handful said her son was responsible,
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and then curiously, there was another theory that there was
a trio of individuals, two men and a woman, who
were involved in her death. This theory stuck out to
Kelly because it came from four of his mediums, who
he says can be especially accurate. Quick reminder, a medium
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is someone who can speak to the dead.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
They were all saying the same thing independently, which was
that she was murdered. She was murdered by three people,
two males and a female.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
She was taken and you know, killed and buried and
basically that was it.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Some of the psychics also shared specific coordinates of where
they thought Deer's body could be buried. One coordinate was
on Deer's ranch, two were nearby in Lake Hemmet a
large reservoir in the mountains, and a fourth option was
in the middle of nowhere in the Arizona Desert. Kelly
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writes all this up and shares his report with the
sheriff's department. He won't send the fourth thing to me,
he says it's confidential and could jeopardize the case. But remember,
this isn't necessarily just all woo woo nonsense. Kelly's psychics
have actually helped find missing people, at least according to
the testimonies on fime's website. The fact that there were
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other people who could be responsible for Deer's disappearance was
just wild to me. That meant there's a chance that
Harper might be telling the truth, which would track with
the fact that he's asked so many people for help,
police detectives, psychics around the country, another missing person's organization.
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Why would someone reach out to so many people if
they had something to hide?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Well, yeah, And that's probably the most puzzling thing is
if you're guilty, you can still pretend that you care
and pretend that you're, you know, trying to find out
where she is, even though you know where she is
because you're the one that killed her.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
And buried her.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
But why keep going to different people?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
It's not just me.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
The moment the psychics weigh in seems to be the
point that Harper gives up hope Deer is alive. He
uses some of the details from Kelly's report to further
back up his theory that Clinton is involved, and he
never ever sways from that conviction.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
They have a lot of.
Speaker 11 (21:12):
Information about what may have gone down ah and who
may be responsible for.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Harper actually starts talking about all of this as the truth.
And it's so crazy for me to watch him go
through this process of not knowing and stumbling around in
the dark with all these different theories, to then grasping
onto this vague information that's fed to him by psychics
and holding onto it as a pure, hard fact, as
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the ultimate truth. He confused me at first until I
understood what was happening.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
You looked at how she's killed and how he's been placed.
That's a that's a professional kill. That's not somebody And
are you thinking extensively dead the hider? Wait, who are
you talking about now, Peta?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
You said, if you look at how she's been killed.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
If you look at how she has been killed at
place in the lake. She's been weighted down. There's all
kinds of evidence to hide her.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
But you don't know for sure that she's there.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Well, I don't know. I'm sure she's there, but I
think we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Harper believes that what Kelly's psychics are coming up with
is enough to prove his innocence, although to be clear,
there is no actual evidence, just narratives provided by the psychics.
I hate to ask you this, but.
Speaker 10 (23:00):
If they do find her and she's not alive, do
you anticipate police coming to question you again?
Speaker 9 (23:12):
How about you know?
Speaker 12 (23:15):
I think what wasn't what Kelly has accumulated, that it
points away from me and points towards.
Speaker 9 (23:27):
The other side.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
After Kelly sent his report to the cops, Harper was
texting and calling me excitedly. He was convinced they were
going to find Deer's body imminently, but it would be
months before the cops acted. We'll be right back. While
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Harper is out consulting psychics, Clinton has a more grounded approach.
On that weekend in June twenty twenty, when he got
a call from one of DIA's neighbors to say his
mother was missing. He sprung into action right away.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
She said, Dia is missing.
Speaker 13 (24:38):
You know, I'm really really worried that something happened to her,
that Harper or somebody else harmed her in some way,
and you know, you got to come up here right now.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
He immediately went into high alert mode, even if he
still wasn't really sure what was going on.
Speaker 13 (24:58):
I didn't know if you know, this was being blown
out of proportion or understated, or if she had had
a migraine and was you know, got a hotel somewhere,
or if she had been murdered, or just kind of
fog war type of situation.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
To Clinton, it didn't matter that he didn't know all
the details. He felt he was going into battle and
he was going to take precautions.
Speaker 13 (25:28):
What I did was I immediately called a private investigation company,
and I paid the deposit right.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
There for dogs, dogs as in search dogs.
Speaker 13 (25:40):
I don't know the precise terminology, the proper nomenclature for
these type of dogs, but essentially kadab her dogs or
bloodhouse dogs, or you know, some type of dog that
could find her.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Harper had been with Dia for at least two years,
but Clinton says he'd never met him. Despite this. On
his way up to the ranch, Clinton says, he calls Harper.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
But I did that to, you know, instill a little
fear into him, And I told him to bring me
some clothes that Dia had worn recently, so that the
dogs had a scent, a reference scent to.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Go off of.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Clinton arrived at the ranch and almost immediately he said,
any hope he had that Dea maybe alive vanished because
he felt like Harper was acting suspiciously.
Speaker 13 (26:38):
He said some weird stuff about, you know, if you
go up the hill and you find a corpse, you know,
don't touch it because it might be a crime scene
or some such very strange commentary.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Did you think that there was any chance that Dia
had left on her own?
Speaker 6 (26:58):
I did not.
Speaker 13 (26:59):
I thought pretty much automatically, based on how people were behaving,
that she was gone.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Clinton noticed some odd things around the ranch too, things
Harper hadn't mentioned to me.
Speaker 13 (27:12):
The second story balcony door was kicked in from the outside,
and there was trim, splintered trim throughout her master bedroom.
That was the only sign of forced entry that I saw.
I also saw a bunch of notes around the room
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that kind of were very repetitious in what they said.
I don't particularly want to go into the specifics of that,
because the investigator said that, you know, that's information they
don't really want to reveal.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But they were in your mother's handwriting.
Speaker 13 (27:49):
They were in my mother's handwriting, written multiple times over
and over basically the same message. And also amongst those
papers there was a piece of paper that said that
she feared for her life.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
So in the months after DIA's disappearance, Clinton not only
hires a private investigator, he tries playing detective himself. He
starts calling up all these people who lived in Idle
World and questioning them in great detail. He compiles a
cache of recordings and documents they will later send to me,
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and he starts developing his own theories of what happened.
For example, he believes that Harper was in a relationship
with DEA's friend Diana Feedder, and that they work together
to make Dea disappear.
Speaker 13 (28:50):
Harper would call Fedder Die you know, short for Diane, obviously,
but you know it's a very.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It was if they had known each other for years.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Harper and Diana adamantly deny all of these accusations, and
Diana said she don't met Harper a couple of times
before Deer went missing. Clinton's PI turns up something else,
something noteworthy. When Harper traveled to New Mexico and his
RV two days after Deer disappeared, he used his cell
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phone to make calls. Clinton's PI told me that he
managed to track down the cell phone towers that Harper's
phone pinged off, and they showed Harper in the middle
of Arizona, not too far from one of those coordinates
that Kelly's psychics had pinpointed. While all of this is
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going on, Clinton and his sister, Crossara, are moving forward
with a lawsuit. They filed the Harper kicked off the
ranch and they want him and Diana removed as trustees
of Deer's estate.
Speaker 13 (30:05):
We were pushing ardently to have or removed as trustee
because to me and to my sister and to everybody,
we felt that it was quite obvious that he had
some involvement in DIA's disappearance.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
In their court case, the kids claim Harper isn't taking
proper care of the ranch, he isn't being a good trustee.
For one, they say that Harper was pouring concrete over
the ranch to create an RV park, and they accused
Harper of not taking care of DEA's beloved animals, and he.
Speaker 13 (30:39):
Was allowing the animals to get eaten either by mountain
lions or they would be hit by a car, or
they would magically disappear.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
And what would that have meant to your mother?
Speaker 13 (30:52):
If she would have been devastated? And I mean, it's
impossible to describe how she would have felt.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Clinton and Krassara's lawsuit drags on for years, by the way,
with Harper and Diana maintaining their innocence. Diana actually removes
herself as trustee and relocates to Georgia. When Harper isn't
dealing with court summons from Clinton, he's hounding the police.
He even addresses a letter to the sheriff of Riverside
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County complaining about their incompetence and urging them to keep
searching for Deer. He's also completely fixated by Kelly Snyder's psychics.
Kelly focuses on one of the psychics Coordinates. In particular,
he thinks Deer's body was dumped in Lake Hemmitt. And
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if Kelly believes it, you can bet Harper believes it too.
Harper pushes the cops hard to act on Kelly's report
and search Lake Hemmett, and finally, in November of twenty
twenty one, three months after Kelly files his report, Alberto Lrero,
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the lead investigator on the case, sends out divers to
so the lake with sonar equipment. Harper watches the entire thing.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I just watched the lake when they showed up, I
went and took pictures of all of it.
Speaker 12 (32:25):
And then at the end Morero comes to me, takes
my camera, reaches in and takes the card out.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
And says, we're keeping this is evident. Why would he
do that.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
I have the right to take pictures and I was
not interfering with anything they were doing.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
This whole scene is just so utterly bizarre. Harper camped
out somewhere on the shores of this lake that's used
for normal activities like hiking and boating, snapping away with
his camera and the cops confiscating his SD card just what.
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I asked the Riverside Sheriff's Department about all of this,
but they didn't respond. And after all of that, the
divers don't find anything.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And that's when I call Kelly, and I said, Kelly,
they didn't find it, I'm confused, and later on that
they believe that she was moved.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Note just prior to the search, Harper and Kelly come
up with this new theory that Deer's body was in
Lake Hemmytt. But somehow the information from Kelly's report was
leaked from the sheriff's department, and they think that in
that three month period between Kelly filing his report and
the cops searching the lake, the killer came and moved
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Deer's body. The speculation just seems to grow wilder and
wilder dredging a body from a lake and moving it.
Speaker 11 (34:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
It just doesn't feel that likely to me. And then
there's Clinton sarees that Diana and Harper were in a
relationship and they're both involved, And again I find myself
wondering how both sides could be so adamant that their
version of events is the truth, because they can't both
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be right. By this point, I'd gone down to San
Diego to meet with Clinton face to face, and it
only seemed right that I do the same with Harper too.
Plus I was pretty curious to see beneath a Vista
Ranch for myself. Harper have been telling me all about it,
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including about numerous security cameras around the property and where
they were positioned.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
You know, I'm not opposed to him.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
When you come back to the Ray, Auntie, and Oh,
that would be great actually, because then I can kind
of really get an idea of the layout and what's around.
Speaker 12 (35:03):
Yeah, you know what, I'll take you upstairs and show
you the cameras. How how they do not see what
happens is beyond me and lie.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
So I'm planning this trip against my boyfriend's advice. And
then I get an email. It's a Google alert that
I'd set up on Dear's name. It was a link
to a news story on CBS.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Forty six year old Jody Newkirk died on the Benita
Vista Ranch near Idlewild just after sunset on December twenty third,
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Someone a woman had been found dead on DEA's ranch.
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Next time on Where's Dear.
Speaker 14 (36:05):
You can pretty much just take out a sharpie and
just crass out every year thing, he says Lake literally,
he just he's allergic to the truth.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Where's Dear is written and hosted by me Lucy Sheriff.
Our producer is Daphne Chen, editing by Karen Shakerji, production
assistance from Joey Fish, ground fact checking by Lauren Vespoli.
Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design
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Now onto the episode last time on Where's Dear?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
From the outside looking in, she had the perfect life.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
She got this money thing where it was everything everything
to her and it just created a monster.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
When we're so on Harper the place and we'll check
them down the road, and.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
You just thought dollar signed.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
She turned to me and she said, if anything ever
happens to me, Clinton did it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
In the aftermath of DEA's disappearance, Keith Harper wrote letters
to local police the Riverside County Sheriff. He was trying
to persuade them to keep looking for her. And he
also tried something unexpected or at least surprising to me
for a guy like Harper. He caught up psychics across
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the country to try and persuade them to look for Dea. Yes, psychics,
and that's how a guy called Kelly Snyder got pulled
into all of this.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Keith Harper, who stated he was the fiance of Dia,
contacted our organization. I believe it was in February or
March of twenty twenty one, which was about eight months
after Dia went missing.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Kelly worked for the DEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration, for
two decades, but now he runs a missing person's nonprofit
called find Me. They mostly work on cold cases and
they try to find people who've been missing for years,
sometimes decades. They have search teams, divers, cadaver dogs, the works. Oh,
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and they also work with all kinds of psychics.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
Almost all of them have the clairvoyant and the clatent,
you know, all the c and then some of them
are mediums so they're actually able to talk to the
dead person.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Then we have remote viewers.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Kelly says they've had a lot of success using his
team of around one hundred psychics who live all over
the world. He tells me they've helped solve one hundred
and twenty one cases, and it seems like they've gotten
some attention over the years. Bruce Willis once attended a
find Me fundraiser.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
I think I've only had two people currently in the
group that do channeling.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But anyway back to how Kelly got dragged into all
of this, Harper had reached out asking for help, and.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
He asked us to investigate it using our methodologies, And
unbeknownst to me at the time, he was already contacting
various psychics around the country.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Was his behavior kind of normal for someone in his situation?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Actually, he was an incredible pain in the ass. He
would constantly call me, constantly text me when do you
think you might be able to do this? And what
kind of information are you getting? Is Thea dead? Is
Dea alive? This kind of crapple.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Harper was convinced that Kelly with his crew of psychics
could uncover what happened to Dea. Before Kelly decided whether
to get involved, he called Riverside Sheriff's Department. He always
contacts local law enforcement before taking on a case. He
wanted to know if they'd be interested in receiving any
information he might find. Kelly says he spoke to a
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Riverside sergeant.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
They were and he immediately started telling me that Keith
Harper was one of the people that they had as
a person of interest, and he said there are others
that I will not name to you, but since Keith
is asking for your help, I wanted you to know
that he is a person of interest.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
In the case.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
By the way, the cops wouldn't confirm that with me.
They also won't share names of official suspects, but Harper
did tell me that they've questioned him multiple times. After
his call with the sergeant, Kelly brought up what he'd
learned with Harper and he.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Said, yes, I'm aware that I am a person of
interest and I'm probably their primary suspect. And I said
why do you say that, and he goes, well, shortly
after Dia went missing, I had to go out of town.
And that raised a lot of eyebrows. And I said, well,
when did you leave and he said it was about
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two and a half days after she went missing. And
originally he told me he had something that he had
to do in New Mexico and here in Arizona, but
I forget what he told me he had to do.
And then I said, well, why couldn't you postpone it?
And he said, one of the reasons I had to
go out of town was I had to report to
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my probation officer.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And there's that probation story again. You might remember from
our first episode. A friend of DearS also said that
Harper talked about leaving town with deers dog Ruby to
check in with a probation officer. Harper denies saying that, though,
and still insists to me that he was heading to
Arizona to pay a tax bill. What were some of
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your thoughts at the beginning of all this towards Keith
and towards what might have happened?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Well, yeah, I mean I originally I just had him
labeled somewhere in the seventy five to ninety range as
far as being guilty, and he had every reason to
harm her, but so did Chrissara and Clinton, just because
so much money's.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Involved Clinton and Krossara DEA's children.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So that's always been on my mind, and I've talked
during numerous times about it, confronted him on numerous occasions,
and I just get the feeling that he knows a
little bit more than he's trying to share with me.
But then I don't. I don't have that eighty ninety
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percent feeling anymore. If anything, he's probably fifty percent involved
in some capacity, but you know, all three of them
have a reason to have her deceased. They're going to
be incredibly wealthy.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You might remember, just two weeks before dear went missing,
she revised the details of her trust. She put Keith
Harper and her friend Diana Fetta in charge should anything
happen to her. That meant the ranch, her assets, everything
she owned was legally in their hands. So, while Harper
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was hounding Kelly, the cops and all those psychics, Clinton
mounted his own search. He recruited lawyers to fight Harper
and Diana in court, and he hired private investigators to
start digging. And so too camps form Clinton with his
team of lawyers and private investigators, and Harper with all
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his efforts to get people like Kelly and the psychics
to help. Both men racing to pin Deer's disappearance on
each other.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah, there's so many unknowns and ups and downs in this,
and it literally all surrounds the fact that she was
so wealthy. Money talks and bullshit walks.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I'm Lucy Sheriff, and this is where's dea Episode three
Inside Information. When I first get in touch with Harper
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a few months after DEA's disappearance. He bounces all these
theories off me of what might have happened, But after
a while he whittles the theories down to two main possibilities.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
She taken or she leaves on our court.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
If she was taken, you now she stinks over and
over over and over again to me and others. There
if I disappear, and if my son's.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Doing He's convinced that in either scenario it all leads
back to Clinton. If Deer ran away, it was because
she was scared of him, and if she was kidnapped,
it was on Clinton's orders. And then at some point
Harper even starts to believe he's in danger.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I'm always still at risk at all the time if
they kill.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
But if they did kill her, just plot stumble so.
Speaker 10 (10:42):
And when you say, when you say they, you're talking
about her family, Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
He goes back and forth between these two theories, between
wanting to believe Dear is still alive and having this
hunch that's something terrible has happened to her. It can
get a little confusing.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
So Who's I don't want to.
Speaker 11 (11:06):
Lead in the wrong world, but I'm going through a
logical explanation.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
As time goes on, Harper's search intensifies, and so do
his calls to me. These are just some of the
voice flails he left me.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Anyway, this story is getting ready to blow wide open.
If you want some information.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
We can talk somewhere. In all of the conversations, I
realized he was becoming quite the regular presence in.
Speaker 9 (11:40):
My life, just checking in with you.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And I was starting to feel a little uncomfortable with that.
He catches me while I'm out driving, cooking dinner, or
out with my friends.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Thank you for all the service that you do. I'm
people and you're dead.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Thanks buy Oh, and he thinks my name is Lacy,
despite my repeated attempts to correct him.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Give me your name one more time so I can
put a name.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
With a numbers.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
Name is Lucy l you see why. And my surname
is Sheriff, like the cop, but with two r's and
two s's.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
He never got it, and he still calls me Lucy.
At one point, the calls got so bad that I
had to take a break.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Ale the Harper.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I'm just trying to test me, said, you said it'd
be about ten days before you got back.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I'll try to call you maybe later this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Remember how Kelly said Harper was really persistent. Yeah, I
knew exactly what he meant. It felt like Harper was
trying to pull me in as a teammate.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
An ally, we think the kind of the idea that
you're too busy for this boy. If that's true, let
me know and we'll see. What are you to correcommend somebody?
But vans are starting to happen. I'm going I need
you onboard for.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It. All got to be too much. I didn't speak
to him for a good few months, and to be honest,
it was great to have a break. But then I
got this nagging feeling like I had to find a
way to finish the story. And there was something else
that happened, which be warned is a little la woo
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woo and definitely not very British of me. I often
have incredibly detailed, insightful dreams, and I had one of
those dreams. I was hiking on a narrow switchback path,
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ducking under branches, heading towards the mountains. It was sunny,
and I felt a piece and then I heard a voice,
a male voice, and it said, just one thing, find dear,
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and then I woke up the next day. I took
a deep breath, picked up my phone, and I dialed
half his number.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Hi, how are you?
Speaker 9 (14:43):
Oh God, Spennis hell of a rats.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
For a year, a lot had happened since we last spoke.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
They had now almost pinpoint where she is. What sat.
Speaker 10 (14:59):
Do they think she's alive?
Speaker 9 (15:01):
Yes, they base steps.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
They believe that.
Speaker 9 (15:06):
They believed that she was burked.
Speaker 10 (15:12):
And why do they think that.
Speaker 9 (15:17):
Well, hey, they just have some inside information.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's I'm going to pause here for a minute and
talk about this inside information, which came from Kelly's psychics.
After Kelly finally agreed to help Harper, he put his
psychics on the case. Oh and by the way, Kelly
doesn't get paid by Harper or the cops. Anyway, Kelly
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sent an email to his entire network, all one hundred
or so of them, asking who was interested in helping,
and he gave them some basic information.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
Every time we receive a missing person case like then
them a photograph, the address or GPS coortner, the last
place the person would been, and then I say, what happened?
What are the circumstances surrounding the disappearance? And where is
that person right now?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I just want to say I've lived in LA for
long enough now to just accept that this guy, this
x DEA agent who is a gruff, meat and potatoes
kind of guy, uses psychics to find missing people. Generally speaking,
it's hard to say how seriously law enforcement takes psychic information.
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A lot of departments categorically say they don't use them.
But I did find a rather amusing report from the
California Department of Justice. It's old, it was published in
the nineties, but it shares some tips on how law
enforcement could use psychics. And it refers to officers who
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said psychics quote provided them with otherwise unknown information and
that in some cases is quote missing bodies were discovered
in areas described by the psychic. So there's that. But
back to Kelly. After he wrote to his psychic network,
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more than half responded saying they had information about Dea.
So where do you think dear is?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Well, if you're asking the question dead or alive the.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Seed This is the first time I've heard someone definitively
say they think Dea is dead. And yes, I know
this information is coming from a team of psychics. But
Kelly takes it at face value, and just to be clear,
the psychics don't receive names from Kelly of any possible suspects,
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and they're told not to confer with each other either.
The psychics who responded to Kelly's callout shared information about
who they thought were responsible for DEA's death. Thirteen of
them said Dea had been abducted and killed by her boyfriend, husband,
or significant other. A handful said her son was responsible,
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and then curiously, there was another theory that there was
a trio of individuals, two men and a woman, who
were involved in her death. This theory stuck out to
Kelly because it came from four of his mediums, who
he says can be especially accurate. Quick reminder, a medium
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is someone who can speak to the dead.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
They were all saying the same thing independently, which was
that she was murdered. She was murdered by three people,
two males and a female.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
She was taken and you know, killed and buried and
basically that was it.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Some of the psychics also shared specific coordinates of where
they thought Deer's body could be buried. One coordinate was
on Deer's ranch, two were nearby in Lake Hemmet a
large reservoir in the mountains, and a fourth option was
in the middle of nowhere in the Arizona Desert. Kelly
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writes all this up and shares his report with the
sheriff's department. He won't send the fourth thing to me,
he says it's confidential and could jeopardize the case. But remember,
this isn't necessarily just all woo woo nonsense. Kelly's psychics
have actually helped find missing people, at least according to
the testimonies on fime's website. The fact that there were
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other people who could be responsible for Deer's disappearance was
just wild to me. That meant there's a chance that
Harper might be telling the truth, which would track with
the fact that he's asked so many people for help,
police detectives, psychics around the country, another missing person's organization.
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Why would someone reach out to so many people if
they had something to hide?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Well, yeah, And that's probably the most puzzling thing is
if you're guilty, you can still pretend that you care
and pretend that you're, you know, trying to find out
where she is, even though you know where she is
because you're the one that killed her.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
And buried her.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
But why keep going to different people?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
It's not just me.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
The moment the psychics weigh in seems to be the
point that Harper gives up hope Deer is alive. He
uses some of the details from Kelly's report to further
back up his theory that Clinton is involved, and he
never ever sways from that conviction.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
They have a lot of.
Speaker 11 (21:12):
Information about what may have gone down ah and who
may be responsible for.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Harper actually starts talking about all of this as the truth.
And it's so crazy for me to watch him go
through this process of not knowing and stumbling around in
the dark with all these different theories, to then grasping
onto this vague information that's fed to him by psychics
and holding onto it as a pure, hard fact, as
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the ultimate truth. He confused me at first until I
understood what was happening.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
You looked at how she's killed and how he's been placed.
That's a that's a professional kill. That's not somebody And
are you thinking extensively dead the hider? Wait, who are
you talking about now, Peta?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
You said, if you look at how she's been killed.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
If you look at how she has been killed at
place in the lake. She's been weighted down. There's all
kinds of evidence to hide her.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
But you don't know for sure that she's there.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Well, I don't know. I'm sure she's there, but I
think we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Harper believes that what Kelly's psychics are coming up with
is enough to prove his innocence, although to be clear,
there is no actual evidence, just narratives provided by the psychics.
I hate to ask you this, but.
Speaker 10 (23:00):
If they do find her and she's not alive, do
you anticipate police coming to question you again?
Speaker 9 (23:12):
How about you know?
Speaker 12 (23:15):
I think what wasn't what Kelly has accumulated, that it
points away from me and points towards.
Speaker 9 (23:27):
The other side.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
After Kelly sent his report to the cops, Harper was
texting and calling me excitedly. He was convinced they were
going to find Deer's body imminently, but it would be
months before the cops acted. We'll be right back. While
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Harper is out consulting psychics, Clinton has a more grounded approach.
On that weekend in June twenty twenty, when he got
a call from one of DIA's neighbors to say his
mother was missing. He sprung into action right away.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
She said, Dia is missing.
Speaker 13 (24:38):
You know, I'm really really worried that something happened to her,
that Harper or somebody else harmed her in some way,
and you know, you got to come up here right now.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
He immediately went into high alert mode, even if he
still wasn't really sure what was going on.
Speaker 13 (24:58):
I didn't know if you know, this was being blown
out of proportion or understated, or if she had had
a migraine and was you know, got a hotel somewhere,
or if she had been murdered, or just kind of
fog war type of situation.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
To Clinton, it didn't matter that he didn't know all
the details. He felt he was going into battle and
he was going to take precautions.
Speaker 13 (25:28):
What I did was I immediately called a private investigation company,
and I paid the deposit right.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
There for dogs, dogs as in search dogs.
Speaker 13 (25:40):
I don't know the precise terminology, the proper nomenclature for
these type of dogs, but essentially kadab her dogs or
bloodhouse dogs, or you know, some type of dog that
could find her.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Harper had been with Dia for at least two years,
but Clinton says he'd never met him. Despite this. On
his way up to the ranch, Clinton says, he calls Harper.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
But I did that to, you know, instill a little
fear into him, And I told him to bring me
some clothes that Dia had worn recently, so that the
dogs had a scent, a reference scent to.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Go off of.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Clinton arrived at the ranch and almost immediately he said,
any hope he had that Dea maybe alive vanished because
he felt like Harper was acting suspiciously.
Speaker 13 (26:38):
He said some weird stuff about, you know, if you
go up the hill and you find a corpse, you know,
don't touch it because it might be a crime scene
or some such very strange commentary.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Did you think that there was any chance that Dia
had left on her own?
Speaker 6 (26:58):
I did not.
Speaker 13 (26:59):
I thought pretty much automatically, based on how people were behaving,
that she was gone.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Clinton noticed some odd things around the ranch too, things
Harper hadn't mentioned to me.
Speaker 13 (27:12):
The second story balcony door was kicked in from the outside,
and there was trim, splintered trim throughout her master bedroom.
That was the only sign of forced entry that I saw.
I also saw a bunch of notes around the room
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that kind of were very repetitious in what they said.
I don't particularly want to go into the specifics of that,
because the investigator said that, you know, that's information they
don't really want to reveal.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But they were in your mother's handwriting.
Speaker 13 (27:49):
They were in my mother's handwriting, written multiple times over
and over basically the same message. And also amongst those
papers there was a piece of paper that said that
she feared for her life.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
So in the months after DIA's disappearance, Clinton not only
hires a private investigator, he tries playing detective himself. He
starts calling up all these people who lived in Idle
World and questioning them in great detail. He compiles a
cache of recordings and documents they will later send to me,
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and he starts developing his own theories of what happened.
For example, he believes that Harper was in a relationship
with DEA's friend Diana Feedder, and that they work together
to make Dea disappear.
Speaker 13 (28:50):
Harper would call Fedder Die you know, short for Diane, obviously,
but you know it's a very.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It was if they had known each other for years.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Harper and Diana adamantly deny all of these accusations, and
Diana said she don't met Harper a couple of times
before Deer went missing. Clinton's PI turns up something else,
something noteworthy. When Harper traveled to New Mexico and his
RV two days after Deer disappeared, he used his cell
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phone to make calls. Clinton's PI told me that he
managed to track down the cell phone towers that Harper's
phone pinged off, and they showed Harper in the middle
of Arizona, not too far from one of those coordinates
that Kelly's psychics had pinpointed. While all of this is
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going on, Clinton and his sister, Crossara, are moving forward
with a lawsuit. They filed the Harper kicked off the
ranch and they want him and Diana removed as trustees
of Deer's estate.
Speaker 13 (30:05):
We were pushing ardently to have or removed as trustee
because to me and to my sister and to everybody,
we felt that it was quite obvious that he had
some involvement in DIA's disappearance.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
In their court case, the kids claim Harper isn't taking
proper care of the ranch, he isn't being a good trustee.
For one, they say that Harper was pouring concrete over
the ranch to create an RV park, and they accused
Harper of not taking care of DEA's beloved animals, and he.
Speaker 13 (30:39):
Was allowing the animals to get eaten either by mountain
lions or they would be hit by a car, or
they would magically disappear.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
And what would that have meant to your mother?
Speaker 13 (30:52):
If she would have been devastated? And I mean, it's
impossible to describe how she would have felt.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Clinton and Krassara's lawsuit drags on for years, by the way,
with Harper and Diana maintaining their innocence. Diana actually removes
herself as trustee and relocates to Georgia. When Harper isn't
dealing with court summons from Clinton, he's hounding the police.
He even addresses a letter to the sheriff of Riverside
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County complaining about their incompetence and urging them to keep
searching for Deer. He's also completely fixated by Kelly Snyder's psychics.
Kelly focuses on one of the psychics Coordinates. In particular,
he thinks Deer's body was dumped in Lake Hemmitt. And
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if Kelly believes it, you can bet Harper believes it too.
Harper pushes the cops hard to act on Kelly's report
and search Lake Hemmett, and finally, in November of twenty
twenty one, three months after Kelly files his report, Alberto Lrero,
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the lead investigator on the case, sends out divers to
so the lake with sonar equipment. Harper watches the entire thing.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I just watched the lake when they showed up, I
went and took pictures of all of it.
Speaker 12 (32:25):
And then at the end Morero comes to me, takes
my camera, reaches in and takes the card out.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
And says, we're keeping this is evident. Why would he
do that.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
I have the right to take pictures and I was
not interfering with anything they were doing.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
This whole scene is just so utterly bizarre. Harper camped
out somewhere on the shores of this lake that's used
for normal activities like hiking and boating, snapping away with
his camera and the cops confiscating his SD card just what.
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I asked the Riverside Sheriff's Department about all of this,
but they didn't respond. And after all of that, the
divers don't find anything.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And that's when I call Kelly, and I said, Kelly,
they didn't find it, I'm confused, and later on that
they believe that she was moved.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Note just prior to the search, Harper and Kelly come
up with this new theory that Deer's body was in
Lake Hemmytt. But somehow the information from Kelly's report was
leaked from the sheriff's department, and they think that in
that three month period between Kelly filing his report and
the cops searching the lake, the killer came and moved
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Deer's body. The speculation just seems to grow wilder and
wilder dredging a body from a lake and moving it.
Speaker 11 (34:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
It just doesn't feel that likely to me. And then
there's Clinton sarees that Diana and Harper were in a
relationship and they're both involved, And again I find myself
wondering how both sides could be so adamant that their
version of events is the truth, because they can't both
(34:25):
be right. By this point, I'd gone down to San
Diego to meet with Clinton face to face, and it
only seemed right that I do the same with Harper too.
Plus I was pretty curious to see beneath a Vista
Ranch for myself. Harper have been telling me all about it,
(34:47):
including about numerous security cameras around the property and where
they were positioned.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
You know, I'm not opposed to him.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
When you come back to the Ray, Auntie, and Oh,
that would be great actually, because then I can kind
of really get an idea of the layout and what's around.
Speaker 12 (35:03):
Yeah, you know what, I'll take you upstairs and show
you the cameras. How how they do not see what
happens is beyond me and lie.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
So I'm planning this trip against my boyfriend's advice. And
then I get an email. It's a Google alert that
I'd set up on Dear's name. It was a link
to a news story on CBS.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Forty six year old Jody Newkirk died on the Benita
Vista Ranch near Idlewild just after sunset on December twenty third,
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Someone a woman had been found dead on DEA's ranch.
(36:00):
Next time on Where's Dear.
Speaker 14 (36:05):
You can pretty much just take out a sharpie and
just crass out every year thing, he says Lake literally,
he just he's allergic to the truth.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Where's Dear is written and hosted by me Lucy Sheriff.
Our producer is Daphne Chen, editing by Karen Shakerji, production
assistance from Joey Fish, ground fact checking by Lauren Vespoli.
Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design
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and mastering by Echo Shaw's Where's Dear is a co
production of Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia. You can listen to
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all of Where's Dear right now ad free by becoming
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Lucy Sherriff
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