August 20, 2024 • 34 mins
A neighbor who searched for Dia agrees to be interviewed. Keith Harper tells a new story.
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Now onto the episode. Last time on Where's.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Dear Dea was well aware of my past.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
We discussed that in full detail not long before we
start to date.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You can pretty much just take out a sharpie and
just crack out every year thing, he said. Lake literally,
he just he's allergic to the truth.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
He is not a man that cake.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, he does not accept an.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
If any one of the parties, them or me, the
kids or me would found guilty of her disappearance or
had anything to do with her disappearance or dead, we
would get nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
One thing that's been bothering me throughout my reporting is
my struggle to find an objective voice. I trained at
a very traditional journalism school. Our professors drummed into us
the importance of being objective, unbiased, of stating the facts.
Almost everyone I've spoken to has some kind of agenda. Okay,
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maybe not Peggy Dear's sister, but everyone else has been
smared with accusations or cloaked in suspicion. I was getting
pretty frustrated. Was there anyone who could be an objective outsider?
And then I met Carmen Ibunyez.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
We didn't have deep conversations. I would text her whenever
I would hear gunshots or screams over there, and I said,
dia uk and She's like, yeah, it was a coyote.
Oh it was a rattlesnake or you know, things like that.
That's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Carmen runs a Christian youth camp just down the road
from Benita Vista DEA's ranch. She wouldn't go as far
as calling herself a friend of DEA's. She'd heard Dea
had a temper, so she tried to keep her distance.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And so that's why I always had a healthy sense
of boundaries with her, because I'm like, you know, I
care about your dogs, I care about your animals, I
care about you. But were you know, I wasn't like
friends with her like per se.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Carmen remembers the last time she spoke to Dea. It
was about two weeks before Dia disappeared. She says Dea
was extremely upset about something Clinton and Chris Sara had done.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
She was crying. You know what happens. We hold them
in her arms and all of a sudden they turn
on us. They want everything, Karmen, they want everything, And
I thought, okay, Dia, I know how you are. You
know you're kind of dramatic as well. You know, I'm
thinking in my mind, what have you done.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
It wasn't the first time Dea had complained about her kids,
but Carmen says she tended to exaggerate, so.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I kind of took everything she said with the Grena's
assault because I knew she was dramatic. I thought, okay,
let's let's let's find out what's true is about.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Regardless of what Carmen thought of Dea, when she heard
her neighbor was missing, she gathered her staff and leapt
into action.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
So you know, I am a christ and we're at
Christian camp, and so I care about people, even if
they're not nice.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Carmen was the perfect person for this kind of job.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
For our summer camp, we have to practice drills for
fires and also for missing camp or drill. We say,
in case somebody, we can't find somebody, and we time
ourselves and we do, you know, searches at every building.
I mean, so we kind of know how to do
searches for people who are missing.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Carmen told me her version of what happened the weekend
Dea went missing, and it felt like a breath of
fresh air because finally I had an impartial version of events.
Finally I felt like I was holding a piece of
the truth.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
We honestly got Okay, she probably and hygen and just
injured herself. That was the main you know, that's what
we've done. We're gonna go find her. We will find her.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I'm Lucy Sheriff, and this is Where's Dea? Episode five.
The strangest thing when Carmen and her staff showed up
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to Benita Vista Ranch on that Sunday in twenty twenty,
the day after Dia disappeared, they expected to be greeted
with open arms, but that's not exactly what happened.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
It was the strangest thing. You know, you would think
Harper would have said, hey, thank you for coming. It
was almost like we were like in the way kind
of thing. It didn't feel like that we were welcome.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Regard list of the chilly welcome. Carmen got straight to work.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
We got a megaphone from our camp. We got all
kinds of tools from our camp just to take with us,
and I was using it to yell out for dear basically.
And a lot of people were out there, and at
one point I became very frustrated because I thought, well,
what's going on? And then I, you know, I'm feeling
like we're just there's no direction to this right.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
At some point, Carmen called a friend of hers who
worked at the Sheriff's department.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I stood on a rap because there was no signal,
and I say, hey, why aren't you here, said Hermann.
We can't be out there till tomorrow. Anyways, you know
it's forty eight hours.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Oh yeah, that forty eight hour thing. Again. It's funny
that someone who works at the Sheriff's department would say that,
because Riverside's own standards manual specifically says the officers shouldn't
wait before acting on a missing person's report. They're supposed
to begin investigations right away. I did reach out to
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the Sheriff's Department to ask them about this discrepancy and
many other things, but I did not get any response.
Back to Carmen's phone call, she told her friend she
thought Harper was acting suspicious. He didn't share any details
that could help with the search, like which places he'd
already checked.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
They said, I have all kinds of red flags going on,
and then just all kinds about worm's going off in
my head. I said, there's something that right, I said,
and I'm usually right about these things.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
There was also something else. Carmen noticed.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
He's writing around on acquad with this woman who I
don't know who she is, which is Diane Fetter. To me,
it looked like there was something going on between them.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Clinton has mentioned this to me too, that he and
his private investigator thought Diana Fedder, DIA's friend, may have
been romantically involved with Harper, to be very clear, though
Harper and Diana both deny this. Eventually, one of Carmen
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and DIA's neighbors mentioned something incredibly useful. The ranch was
covered in security cameras.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And she was like, there's not a place here that
Dia has not wired with a camera. She was like,
and I know that because I just talked the other day.
I was feeding the animals, and she was like, she
would talk to me through the cameras. So there's got
to be something that shows us what happened yesterday.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
And because Carmon is common, she sent him one of
her it guys to check them out.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
So he went inside and he couldn't get it to
come up in the server to turn on. He couldn't
get it to boot up. Basically, he thought that somebody
had tempered with it and had damaged it so they
couldn't wow, you know, he said, something something happened here.
I don't feel comfortable going back in there by myself.
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I feel like I'm at a crime and I'm putting
my fingerprints all over the place.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Another member of Carmen's group went to search the meadow.
She told Carmen what she saw. Ruby DEA's faithful dog
had followed her and went straight up to a patch
of fresh dirt.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
She said, a dog laid down right there on the
fresh shirt. We turned around and he didn't want to leave.
She was almost like it was like maybe she was there,
she said, the dog but did not want to leave.
We finally kind of coaxed her back and got her
to go back with us.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
When Carmen and her staff got back from being out
in the heat, they wanted to make sure to check
every building on the property before they left. There was
one last place Carmen wanted to search Harper's white Ford
motor home.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I said, I just need to have everybody because I
kind of wanted to take over at that point, and said, well,
somebody needs to go and look. And then they came
back and they said it locked.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And so nobody offered a key.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Nobody no, And that's the thing I was like, that's
when I started just getting Really that was a Sunday
when we were all just like, you know, this does
not feel good. We were just that was just like
the final confirmation we just need to wait for the
cops to get here kind of thing.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
The consensus was among my staff it was like, look,
I think we just got called over to put all
kinds of footprints everywhere and to just damage the crime scene. Basically.
That's how we felt at that moment, and so we laughed.
And that was the final thing that just stuck in
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my head. Why couldn't we get into that motor home.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Calm and return the next day, on the Monday, with
homemade missing person's leaflets in hand, but by then Harper
and his motor home were gone. He was on his
way to New Mexico.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And I'm like, why would you leave? So this is
your girlfriend, you supposedly destroyed about her? Right, I would
be I was destroyed even if and I wasn't that
supposed to Dea? You know, I'm thinking, how can I
be more upset about this than you?
Speaker 7 (11:27):
You know?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
How is this that? This is that is not right?
How did he just take up?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
After that weekend of searching, Carmen kept tabs on the ranch.
Diana and Harper held DEA's power of attorney, although nobody
else seemed to know this yet. When the cops had
finished their search, they turned over the ranch keys to
DEA's children, who locked the gate. But one night, soon
after the search, Carmen noticed a car heading up the
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road towards Benita Vista Ranch.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
So I saw Kara go over there, and I went
over there as excuse me, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
To calm and surprise it was Diana Feedder.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
That's the one time that I thought, oh my goodness,
what the heck is this woman? Doing here. I don't
think anybody, I said, I don't think anybody's supposed to
be over here. I said, nobody' supposed to be. She
was like, I just I just can't get a few
things from the truck, something for the animals.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Carmen had called the Sheriff's department as soon as she'd
seen the car, and when an officer showed up, she
went back home. Carmen brought up so many things, but
there was one thing she mentioned that to this day
still stands out to me. She told me what Harper
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said he'd been doing during the window of time Dea
went missing.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
So the story of the what he was doing on
Saturday kept changing. When we were there that day on
Sunday to Serge, he said he had been burying brush
in the meadow, like burying Actually, what the heck? And
then later on he changed his story too, I was
mowing the meadow.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
This, by the way, is Harper's only alibi that he
was out mowing the meadow. Speaking with Carmen brought me
back to the immediate aftermath of Deer's disappearance. I felt
like I was seeing those crucial first days in a
new light. But my conversation with her also raised a
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lot of questions about Harper and Diana.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
More on that.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
After the break, I found a whole story about Diana
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Feeder taking stuff out of Deer's truck. So bizarre. It
was at night, the ranch had been locked shut, and
Harper was away. What was she doing there? Incidentally, Diana
had actually told me the whole truck story before, without
me even asking about it the first time I spoke
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to her.
Speaker 8 (14:41):
Let's see, so the Sheriff's department ended their theme on Wednesday,
because that's today.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I went back to get the canned dog food for Ruby.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Ruby, remember, is DEA's doc who had gone with Harper
on his trip to New Mexico. Also, he didn't take Ruby.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
In the end, he did, but he didn't have the
proper food.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
And I was, you know, una aware of the proper
food that she was supposed to be being fed. And
they said, well, she always kept cans in her truck,
So I went back to go get the cans to
figure out what kind of medicated food she was eating.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
This interview happened early on in my reporting, before I
knew about all the weird twists and turns. But after
I spoke with Carmen. I felt I had to call
Diana back.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
I wanted to run through some more of these questions.
So I've spoken to Carmen and I just wanted to
run more.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Oh was that the labor Yes? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
This time Diana gave me a more detailed account about
the night she went to DIA's truck. She told me
she went to the ranch with a friend. I mentioned
finding the dog food again along with something else, and.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I told as to the police offer. Ellie went to
the truck and the windows were down. Uh, we opened
the door, the alarm went off, and we grabbed two bowls,
dog balls, a leash, uh, some channed dog food from
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the car, and on the front seat was a stafe
like the a lock box and when I when I
opened it, there was a gun in there.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I'm like, okay, why is there a lock box on
the front seat with a gun and why did the
police not take it with them? So I leave with
my friend and we go out front, and I guess
that was Carmen and her husband. They were walking their
dog or walking and they said, well, we heard alarm,
so yeah, we needed to get dog food. So Ruby
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and we showed them everything, and I locked up the
weapon and then told the police about it.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So to recap Diana found one of these guns India's
truck Ondia's ranch, which by that point I'm guessing was
a potential crime scene, and she took it. Diana said
it was for safety reasons.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
So what I did not feel uncomfortable leaving an aladed
weapon sitting in the front seat of my friend's vehicle
with the windows down on property where nobody is staying.
You know that anybody could come on. I'm like, no, no, no, no,
So what happened to it?
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
For the weapon? Yeah, I told the police about it,
and then hard Work said that he wanted the weapon,
and I said it fine in my faith, and he goes, no,
I want to keep all of thea's property on the property.
And I'm like, okay, well, what can I say?
Speaker 7 (18:11):
Now?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
I can't tell him I'm not going to give it
to him. I mean, because now you know technically he's
in charge. Yeah, so I let the place know that
I had to give him the whappa.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
By many accounts, Dia did own a lot of guns.
I tried to find out what happened to that one
Harper says he doesn't have it anymore, and the police
didn't respond to my questions about it. In general, Diana
disputed a lot of what Carmen told me, particularly about
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her and Harper.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Harper and I have never been in a relationship. I
met him. I think it's been twice before Dia disappeared. Yeah,
he's chocked. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
While I had Diana on the phone, I wanted to
ask her about some of Clinton's allegations. He believes that
Diana had something to do with Dear's disappearance and that
she was working with Harper. He's been pretty adamant to
me that you're involved somehow.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Yeah, he's told the police that, and he's told everybody else.
Just because you happen to be asked by a friend
to help them with their estate or what have you
when you ask, does not automatically make you the bad guy.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Diana denied having anything to do with Dear's disappearance.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I mean, I can understand, you know, like if something
happened to somebody's spouse, the first thing they could look
to is the other spouse, you know, And I can
understand why they would consider it at first, But there's
no gain. Yeah, none at all, you know, I mean,
I mean the there's no money, there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Diana said, there's no value in DEA's trust. Dea was
so in debt. Diana said that her estate is pretty
much worthless. This is hard for me to verify because
the legal guardian of Dee's estate won't tell me anything
about DEA's financial situation. But according to court records, Deer's
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estate could be worth millions regardless. A couple of years ago,
Diana withdrew as DEA's trustee anyway, giving up any claim
on DEA's assets. And there was one last thing that
Diana told me that directly correlated to something Carmen had said.
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I asked Diana why Carmen wasn't allowed to search the RV.
Diana was surprised and said that RV had been searched.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
It was searched twice. It was searched on uh Sunday,
and it was search again on Monday before he had
parted in it. But there was nothing in it, nothing
that waves concerned.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And then she told me this The only thing that.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Ranch Concer was the RV was part in the field
in the horse field, Okay, and Harper had told the
police that he was mowing the field when she supposedly disappeared. Yeah,
and he could love because it went up to their knees.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So, first Carmen tells me Harp had changed his alibi
from burying brush in the meadow to mowing it. And
then Diana tells me that the grass was definitely not moan.
That's really interesting about the meadow, that's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Great, and he apparently was out there for hours mowing.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Matter.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Well, I can tell you right now that the amount
of time that he said and he's spent in the
meadow mowing, it's in collect m He said he was
out there for almost six hours. There's no way in
heck he could have been out there plus six hours
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and let you took a nap.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I couldn't help wondering where were the police in all
of this? Have they checked out Harper's alibi? I don't
know if they did. But what I did learn is
that Harper wasn't exactly concerned about alibis, because it turns
out he claims he's known all along exactly what happened
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to Dia, and he'd seen it all unfold on the
security camera's tapes. We'll be right back. In May twenty
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twenty three, around the more real day, three people broke
into beneath a Vista ranch. According to a police report,
they stole some power tools, an old car, and a tractor.
They were arrested at the ranch and later pled guilty.
The reason I'm telling you about this is because it's
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after this burglary happens three years into our interviews that
Harper suddenly mentioned something new, something he has never told
me before.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I'm stuck. I'm stuck with what we do once we
find her.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
You know, obviously, you know, in my opinion, they've always
known it was a murther because the video shows there.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Why the video that was here at the ranch that
was taken, Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Well, I don't know anything about that video.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
What video that.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
We had surveillance on the area in which she was assaulted.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Basically, this man who I've been speaking to for three
years by this point, is suddenly telling me about a
security camera which captured Dea being kidnapped, and he's never
ever mentioned this before. In fact, he told me this
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in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 10 (25:41):
I always believe that she was going to a safe zone,
so I always felt that she laughed that I always
felt that she would contact me and let me know
that she was fine.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That contact never comes.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That same year, right before I was thinking of visiting
the ranch, Harper told me something else. He told me
the security cameras hadn't captured anything.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, you know what, I'll take you upstairs and show
you the cameras.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
How they do not see. What happens is beyond me
and lie.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And when he finally does mention the videotapes to me
all those years later, he describes in detail what he
watched on this footage. He launches into this wild chronicle
about Deer being kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It takes place between the main house and the.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
What we call the cabin, which is across the street
from the main house. They surround her as she's coming.
They do not pass, they do not communicate. They just
surround her, and that's where the big guy halts off
and hits her to the side of the light cheek.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He tells me that DEA's attorney called him after Deer
went missing and told him to watch the secure camera footage.
I tried to double chat this with Deer's attorney, but
in the middle of all of this. He died so
I couldn't. Harper also tells me the detective Alberta. Lerero
of the Riverside County Sheriff's Department has seen the footage too.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
He's been asked if who they were and why they
haven't been identified. He claims that the video is not
clear enough to do facial recognition on it.
Speaker 9 (27:40):
Have have you actually physically seen this video?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yes, you have?
Speaker 9 (27:47):
And when did you watch it?
Speaker 7 (27:50):
When we were doing the actual search for her, her
attorney called then asked me to watch it, and then
after I had given it, he said, you know, just
he said, he said, you know, I should have taken
a copy.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
So just to recap, I've been speaking to Harper for
years by this point, and it's only after that Memorial
Day burglary happens that he brings up these videotapes. He
told me that the people who burgled the ranch in
twenty twenty three were the same people he watched on
video kidnapping Dea in twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
There were three burglars that came.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
They meet the same description of those who killed her,
almost identical in heighth, weight and size.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It was hard to reconcile all of this with what
Carmen told me. According to her, her it guy couldn't
access the security footage on DEA's ranch. He said someone
had tampered with it. Detective Lrero also told me that
no such tape exists. There was one more strange aspect
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about Harper's new theory. It lined up with information from
some of Kelly Snyder's psychics who work with his Missing
Persons organization. They said that three people, two men and
a woman, were responsible for Deer's disappearance. We heard this
from Kelly Snyder back in episode three.
Speaker 12 (29:28):
They were all saying the same thing independently.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Which was.
Speaker 12 (29:34):
That she was murdered. She was murdered by three people,
two males and a female. She was taken and you know,
killed and buried and basically that was it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
So is Harper just taking what Kelly's psychics said happened
and sort of mishmashing it with the people who burgled
the ranch. It wouldn't be the first time that he
treated the psychics information as hard fact. Ultimately, Harper believe
that the three people in the footage are part of
a drug trafficking motorcycle gang and that they're heavily involved
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in DEA's death. Oh, and the Clinton hired them. I
couldn't help. But wonder is Harper simply making all of
this up. If he's lying, it would call his entire
narrative into question, and most importantly, his alibi that he
was mowing the meadow when deer disappeared. I have been
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told by somebody who was at the search the weekend
deer disappeared that your alibi changed. That you first said
you were burying brushing the meadow, and then you said
you were mowing the meadow, and then two people in one.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I said rushing or mowing.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And people have said that the meadow wasn't moan, that
the grass was long.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Well, the meadle, the medal, which you got to rely
is where the horses go out and feast. That is
approximately five acres. The meadow goes on for probably a
mile and a half. So did I mow all of
the metal?
Speaker 7 (31:24):
No?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I mow what we use and what is planted in grass,
not what is brush.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
There's no way I'll ever know if the meadow was
moan or not. But in any case, Harper is adamant
that at some point Deer's body will be found.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Once we find for I think without question we will.
Then we need to address the issue with the Sheriff's
department of why Quinton Ingrams was never interviewed or interrogated.
He becomes the main suspect in all of our investigations.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Clinton says that the Riverside Sheriff's Department has questioned him,
and he's actually spent the past few years deep in
an investigation of his own. He's taken all of his
interviews and tape recordings and documents and finessed his theory
of what he believes happened to his mother. The deer
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was taken and killed by a gang coming next time.
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On the season finale of Where's Deer?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
It's an emotional Katrina.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
You know it came in.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
It washed everything out?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay? Was that a location of where the body was?
Speaker 5 (33:16):
It was a location of something I do.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
I don't need to hear his.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Well, need to hear more specific.
Speaker 10 (33:23):
Do we have a location where we believe that she is.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
I think there is a deal among multiple people to.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
Split the spoils of war, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Neighbors woke up early Sunday morning to the sound of
a Sheriff's helicopter flying over dia Abrams Ranch near Idlewild.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
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assistance from Joey Fish, ground fact checking by Lauren Vespoli.
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Now onto the episode. Last time on Where's.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Dear Dea was well aware of my past.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
We discussed that in full detail not long before we
start to date.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You can pretty much just take out a sharpie and
just crack out every year thing, he said. Lake literally,
he just he's allergic to the truth.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
He is not a man that cake.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, he does not accept an.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
If any one of the parties, them or me, the
kids or me would found guilty of her disappearance or
had anything to do with her disappearance or dead, we
would get nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
One thing that's been bothering me throughout my reporting is
my struggle to find an objective voice. I trained at
a very traditional journalism school. Our professors drummed into us
the importance of being objective, unbiased, of stating the facts.
Almost everyone I've spoken to has some kind of agenda. Okay,
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maybe not Peggy Dear's sister, but everyone else has been
smared with accusations or cloaked in suspicion. I was getting
pretty frustrated. Was there anyone who could be an objective outsider?
And then I met Carmen Ibunyez.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
We didn't have deep conversations. I would text her whenever
I would hear gunshots or screams over there, and I said,
dia uk and She's like, yeah, it was a coyote.
Oh it was a rattlesnake or you know, things like that.
That's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Carmen runs a Christian youth camp just down the road
from Benita Vista DEA's ranch. She wouldn't go as far
as calling herself a friend of DEA's. She'd heard Dea
had a temper, so she tried to keep her distance.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And so that's why I always had a healthy sense
of boundaries with her, because I'm like, you know, I
care about your dogs, I care about your animals, I
care about you. But were you know, I wasn't like
friends with her like per se.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Carmen remembers the last time she spoke to Dea. It
was about two weeks before Dia disappeared. She says Dea
was extremely upset about something Clinton and Chris Sara had done.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
She was crying. You know what happens. We hold them
in her arms and all of a sudden they turn
on us. They want everything, Karmen, they want everything, And
I thought, okay, Dia, I know how you are. You
know you're kind of dramatic as well. You know, I'm
thinking in my mind, what have you done.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
It wasn't the first time Dea had complained about her kids,
but Carmen says she tended to exaggerate, so.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I kind of took everything she said with the Grena's
assault because I knew she was dramatic. I thought, okay,
let's let's let's find out what's true is about.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Regardless of what Carmen thought of Dea, when she heard
her neighbor was missing, she gathered her staff and leapt
into action.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
So you know, I am a christ and we're at
Christian camp, and so I care about people, even if
they're not nice.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Carmen was the perfect person for this kind of job.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
For our summer camp, we have to practice drills for
fires and also for missing camp or drill. We say,
in case somebody, we can't find somebody, and we time
ourselves and we do, you know, searches at every building.
I mean, so we kind of know how to do
searches for people who are missing.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Carmen told me her version of what happened the weekend
Dea went missing, and it felt like a breath of
fresh air because finally I had an impartial version of events.
Finally I felt like I was holding a piece of
the truth.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
We honestly got Okay, she probably and hygen and just
injured herself. That was the main you know, that's what
we've done. We're gonna go find her. We will find her.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I'm Lucy Sheriff, and this is Where's Dea? Episode five.
The strangest thing when Carmen and her staff showed up
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to Benita Vista Ranch on that Sunday in twenty twenty,
the day after Dia disappeared, they expected to be greeted
with open arms, but that's not exactly what happened.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
It was the strangest thing. You know, you would think
Harper would have said, hey, thank you for coming. It
was almost like we were like in the way kind
of thing. It didn't feel like that we were welcome.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Regard list of the chilly welcome. Carmen got straight to work.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
We got a megaphone from our camp. We got all
kinds of tools from our camp just to take with us,
and I was using it to yell out for dear basically.
And a lot of people were out there, and at
one point I became very frustrated because I thought, well,
what's going on? And then I, you know, I'm feeling
like we're just there's no direction to this right.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
At some point, Carmen called a friend of hers who
worked at the Sheriff's department.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I stood on a rap because there was no signal,
and I say, hey, why aren't you here, said Hermann.
We can't be out there till tomorrow. Anyways, you know
it's forty eight hours.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Oh yeah, that forty eight hour thing. Again. It's funny
that someone who works at the Sheriff's department would say that,
because Riverside's own standards manual specifically says the officers shouldn't
wait before acting on a missing person's report. They're supposed
to begin investigations right away. I did reach out to
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the Sheriff's Department to ask them about this discrepancy and
many other things, but I did not get any response.
Back to Carmen's phone call, she told her friend she
thought Harper was acting suspicious. He didn't share any details
that could help with the search, like which places he'd
already checked.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
They said, I have all kinds of red flags going on,
and then just all kinds about worm's going off in
my head. I said, there's something that right, I said,
and I'm usually right about these things.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
There was also something else. Carmen noticed.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
He's writing around on acquad with this woman who I
don't know who she is, which is Diane Fetter. To me,
it looked like there was something going on between them.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Clinton has mentioned this to me too, that he and
his private investigator thought Diana Fedder, DIA's friend, may have
been romantically involved with Harper, to be very clear, though
Harper and Diana both deny this. Eventually, one of Carmen
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and DIA's neighbors mentioned something incredibly useful. The ranch was
covered in security cameras.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And she was like, there's not a place here that
Dia has not wired with a camera. She was like,
and I know that because I just talked the other day.
I was feeding the animals, and she was like, she
would talk to me through the cameras. So there's got
to be something that shows us what happened yesterday.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
And because Carmon is common, she sent him one of
her it guys to check them out.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
So he went inside and he couldn't get it to
come up in the server to turn on. He couldn't
get it to boot up. Basically, he thought that somebody
had tempered with it and had damaged it so they
couldn't wow, you know, he said, something something happened here.
I don't feel comfortable going back in there by myself.
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I feel like I'm at a crime and I'm putting
my fingerprints all over the place.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Another member of Carmen's group went to search the meadow.
She told Carmen what she saw. Ruby DEA's faithful dog
had followed her and went straight up to a patch
of fresh dirt.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
She said, a dog laid down right there on the
fresh shirt. We turned around and he didn't want to leave.
She was almost like it was like maybe she was there,
she said, the dog but did not want to leave.
We finally kind of coaxed her back and got her
to go back with us.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
When Carmen and her staff got back from being out
in the heat, they wanted to make sure to check
every building on the property before they left. There was
one last place Carmen wanted to search Harper's white Ford
motor home.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I said, I just need to have everybody because I
kind of wanted to take over at that point, and said, well,
somebody needs to go and look. And then they came
back and they said it locked.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And so nobody offered a key.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Nobody no, And that's the thing I was like, that's
when I started just getting Really that was a Sunday
when we were all just like, you know, this does
not feel good. We were just that was just like
the final confirmation we just need to wait for the
cops to get here kind of thing.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
The consensus was among my staff it was like, look,
I think we just got called over to put all
kinds of footprints everywhere and to just damage the crime scene. Basically.
That's how we felt at that moment, and so we laughed.
And that was the final thing that just stuck in
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my head. Why couldn't we get into that motor home.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Calm and return the next day, on the Monday, with
homemade missing person's leaflets in hand, but by then Harper
and his motor home were gone. He was on his
way to New Mexico.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And I'm like, why would you leave? So this is
your girlfriend, you supposedly destroyed about her? Right, I would
be I was destroyed even if and I wasn't that
supposed to Dea? You know, I'm thinking, how can I
be more upset about this than you?
Speaker 7 (11:27):
You know?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
How is this that? This is that is not right?
How did he just take up?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
After that weekend of searching, Carmen kept tabs on the ranch.
Diana and Harper held DEA's power of attorney, although nobody
else seemed to know this yet. When the cops had
finished their search, they turned over the ranch keys to
DEA's children, who locked the gate. But one night, soon
after the search, Carmen noticed a car heading up the
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road towards Benita Vista Ranch.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
So I saw Kara go over there, and I went
over there as excuse me, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
To calm and surprise it was Diana Feedder.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
That's the one time that I thought, oh my goodness,
what the heck is this woman? Doing here. I don't
think anybody, I said, I don't think anybody's supposed to
be over here. I said, nobody' supposed to be. She
was like, I just I just can't get a few
things from the truck, something for the animals.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Carmen had called the Sheriff's department as soon as she'd
seen the car, and when an officer showed up, she
went back home. Carmen brought up so many things, but
there was one thing she mentioned that to this day
still stands out to me. She told me what Harper
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said he'd been doing during the window of time Dea
went missing.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
So the story of the what he was doing on
Saturday kept changing. When we were there that day on
Sunday to Serge, he said he had been burying brush
in the meadow, like burying Actually, what the heck? And
then later on he changed his story too, I was
mowing the meadow.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
This, by the way, is Harper's only alibi that he
was out mowing the meadow. Speaking with Carmen brought me
back to the immediate aftermath of Deer's disappearance. I felt
like I was seeing those crucial first days in a
new light. But my conversation with her also raised a
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lot of questions about Harper and Diana.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
More on that.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
After the break, I found a whole story about Diana
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Feeder taking stuff out of Deer's truck. So bizarre. It
was at night, the ranch had been locked shut, and
Harper was away. What was she doing there? Incidentally, Diana
had actually told me the whole truck story before, without
me even asking about it the first time I spoke
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to her.
Speaker 8 (14:41):
Let's see, so the Sheriff's department ended their theme on Wednesday,
because that's today.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I went back to get the canned dog food for Ruby.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Ruby, remember, is DEA's doc who had gone with Harper
on his trip to New Mexico. Also, he didn't take Ruby.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
In the end, he did, but he didn't have the
proper food.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
And I was, you know, una aware of the proper
food that she was supposed to be being fed. And
they said, well, she always kept cans in her truck,
So I went back to go get the cans to
figure out what kind of medicated food she was eating.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
This interview happened early on in my reporting, before I
knew about all the weird twists and turns. But after
I spoke with Carmen. I felt I had to call
Diana back.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
I wanted to run through some more of these questions.
So I've spoken to Carmen and I just wanted to
run more.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Oh was that the labor Yes? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
This time Diana gave me a more detailed account about
the night she went to DIA's truck. She told me
she went to the ranch with a friend. I mentioned
finding the dog food again along with something else, and.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I told as to the police offer. Ellie went to
the truck and the windows were down. Uh, we opened
the door, the alarm went off, and we grabbed two bowls,
dog balls, a leash, uh, some channed dog food from
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the car, and on the front seat was a stafe
like the a lock box and when I when I
opened it, there was a gun in there.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I'm like, okay, why is there a lock box on
the front seat with a gun and why did the
police not take it with them? So I leave with
my friend and we go out front, and I guess
that was Carmen and her husband. They were walking their
dog or walking and they said, well, we heard alarm,
so yeah, we needed to get dog food. So Ruby
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and we showed them everything, and I locked up the
weapon and then told the police about it.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So to recap Diana found one of these guns India's
truck Ondia's ranch, which by that point I'm guessing was
a potential crime scene, and she took it. Diana said
it was for safety reasons.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
So what I did not feel uncomfortable leaving an aladed
weapon sitting in the front seat of my friend's vehicle
with the windows down on property where nobody is staying.
You know that anybody could come on. I'm like, no, no, no, no,
So what happened to it?
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
For the weapon? Yeah, I told the police about it,
and then hard Work said that he wanted the weapon,
and I said it fine in my faith, and he goes, no,
I want to keep all of thea's property on the property.
And I'm like, okay, well, what can I say?
Speaker 7 (18:11):
Now?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
I can't tell him I'm not going to give it
to him. I mean, because now you know technically he's
in charge. Yeah, so I let the place know that
I had to give him the whappa.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
By many accounts, Dia did own a lot of guns.
I tried to find out what happened to that one
Harper says he doesn't have it anymore, and the police
didn't respond to my questions about it. In general, Diana
disputed a lot of what Carmen told me, particularly about
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her and Harper.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Harper and I have never been in a relationship. I
met him. I think it's been twice before Dia disappeared. Yeah,
he's chocked. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
While I had Diana on the phone, I wanted to
ask her about some of Clinton's allegations. He believes that
Diana had something to do with Dear's disappearance and that
she was working with Harper. He's been pretty adamant to
me that you're involved somehow.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Yeah, he's told the police that, and he's told everybody else.
Just because you happen to be asked by a friend
to help them with their estate or what have you
when you ask, does not automatically make you the bad guy.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Diana denied having anything to do with Dear's disappearance.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I mean, I can understand, you know, like if something
happened to somebody's spouse, the first thing they could look
to is the other spouse, you know, And I can
understand why they would consider it at first, But there's
no gain. Yeah, none at all, you know, I mean,
I mean the there's no money, there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Diana said, there's no value in DEA's trust. Dea was
so in debt. Diana said that her estate is pretty
much worthless. This is hard for me to verify because
the legal guardian of Dee's estate won't tell me anything
about DEA's financial situation. But according to court records, Deer's
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estate could be worth millions regardless. A couple of years ago,
Diana withdrew as DEA's trustee anyway, giving up any claim
on DEA's assets. And there was one last thing that
Diana told me that directly correlated to something Carmen had said.
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I asked Diana why Carmen wasn't allowed to search the RV.
Diana was surprised and said that RV had been searched.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
It was searched twice. It was searched on uh Sunday,
and it was search again on Monday before he had
parted in it. But there was nothing in it, nothing
that waves concerned.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And then she told me this The only thing that.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Ranch Concer was the RV was part in the field
in the horse field, Okay, and Harper had told the
police that he was mowing the field when she supposedly disappeared. Yeah,
and he could love because it went up to their knees.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So, first Carmen tells me Harp had changed his alibi
from burying brush in the meadow to mowing it. And
then Diana tells me that the grass was definitely not moan.
That's really interesting about the meadow, that's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Great, and he apparently was out there for hours mowing.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Matter.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Well, I can tell you right now that the amount
of time that he said and he's spent in the
meadow mowing, it's in collect m He said he was
out there for almost six hours. There's no way in
heck he could have been out there plus six hours
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and let you took a nap.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I couldn't help wondering where were the police in all
of this? Have they checked out Harper's alibi? I don't
know if they did. But what I did learn is
that Harper wasn't exactly concerned about alibis, because it turns
out he claims he's known all along exactly what happened
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to Dia, and he'd seen it all unfold on the
security camera's tapes. We'll be right back. In May twenty
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twenty three, around the more real day, three people broke
into beneath a Vista ranch. According to a police report,
they stole some power tools, an old car, and a tractor.
They were arrested at the ranch and later pled guilty.
The reason I'm telling you about this is because it's
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after this burglary happens three years into our interviews that
Harper suddenly mentioned something new, something he has never told
me before.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I'm stuck. I'm stuck with what we do once we
find her.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
You know, obviously, you know, in my opinion, they've always
known it was a murther because the video shows there.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Why the video that was here at the ranch that
was taken, Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Well, I don't know anything about that video.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
What video that.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
We had surveillance on the area in which she was assaulted.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Basically, this man who I've been speaking to for three
years by this point, is suddenly telling me about a
security camera which captured Dea being kidnapped, and he's never
ever mentioned this before. In fact, he told me this
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in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 10 (25:41):
I always believe that she was going to a safe zone,
so I always felt that she laughed that I always
felt that she would contact me and let me know
that she was fine.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That contact never comes.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That same year, right before I was thinking of visiting
the ranch, Harper told me something else. He told me
the security cameras hadn't captured anything.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, you know what, I'll take you upstairs and show
you the cameras.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
How they do not see. What happens is beyond me
and lie.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And when he finally does mention the videotapes to me
all those years later, he describes in detail what he
watched on this footage. He launches into this wild chronicle
about Deer being kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It takes place between the main house and the.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
What we call the cabin, which is across the street
from the main house. They surround her as she's coming.
They do not pass, they do not communicate. They just
surround her, and that's where the big guy halts off
and hits her to the side of the light cheek.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He tells me that DEA's attorney called him after Deer
went missing and told him to watch the secure camera footage.
I tried to double chat this with Deer's attorney, but
in the middle of all of this. He died so
I couldn't. Harper also tells me the detective Alberta. Lerero
of the Riverside County Sheriff's Department has seen the footage too.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
He's been asked if who they were and why they
haven't been identified. He claims that the video is not
clear enough to do facial recognition on it.
Speaker 9 (27:40):
Have have you actually physically seen this video?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yes, you have?
Speaker 9 (27:47):
And when did you watch it?
Speaker 7 (27:50):
When we were doing the actual search for her, her
attorney called then asked me to watch it, and then
after I had given it, he said, you know, just
he said, he said, you know, I should have taken
a copy.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
So just to recap, I've been speaking to Harper for
years by this point, and it's only after that Memorial
Day burglary happens that he brings up these videotapes. He
told me that the people who burgled the ranch in
twenty twenty three were the same people he watched on
video kidnapping Dea in twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
There were three burglars that came.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
They meet the same description of those who killed her,
almost identical in heighth, weight and size.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It was hard to reconcile all of this with what
Carmen told me. According to her, her it guy couldn't
access the security footage on DEA's ranch. He said someone
had tampered with it. Detective Lrero also told me that
no such tape exists. There was one more strange aspect
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about Harper's new theory. It lined up with information from
some of Kelly Snyder's psychics who work with his Missing
Persons organization. They said that three people, two men and
a woman, were responsible for Deer's disappearance. We heard this
from Kelly Snyder back in episode three.
Speaker 12 (29:28):
They were all saying the same thing independently.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Which was.
Speaker 12 (29:34):
That she was murdered. She was murdered by three people,
two males and a female. She was taken and you know,
killed and buried and basically that was it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
So is Harper just taking what Kelly's psychics said happened
and sort of mishmashing it with the people who burgled
the ranch. It wouldn't be the first time that he
treated the psychics information as hard fact. Ultimately, Harper believe
that the three people in the footage are part of
a drug trafficking motorcycle gang and that they're heavily involved
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in DEA's death. Oh, and the Clinton hired them. I
couldn't help. But wonder is Harper simply making all of
this up. If he's lying, it would call his entire
narrative into question, and most importantly, his alibi that he
was mowing the meadow when deer disappeared. I have been
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told by somebody who was at the search the weekend
deer disappeared that your alibi changed. That you first said
you were burying brushing the meadow, and then you said
you were mowing the meadow, and then two people in one.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I said rushing or mowing.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And people have said that the meadow wasn't moan, that
the grass was long.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Well, the meadle, the medal, which you got to rely
is where the horses go out and feast. That is
approximately five acres. The meadow goes on for probably a
mile and a half. So did I mow all of
the metal?
Speaker 7 (31:24):
No?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I mow what we use and what is planted in grass,
not what is brush.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
There's no way I'll ever know if the meadow was
moan or not. But in any case, Harper is adamant
that at some point Deer's body will be found.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Once we find for I think without question we will.
Then we need to address the issue with the Sheriff's
department of why Quinton Ingrams was never interviewed or interrogated.
He becomes the main suspect in all of our investigations.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Clinton says that the Riverside Sheriff's Department has questioned him,
and he's actually spent the past few years deep in
an investigation of his own. He's taken all of his
interviews and tape recordings and documents and finessed his theory
of what he believes happened to his mother. The deer
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was taken and killed by a gang coming next time.
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On the season finale of Where's Deer?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
It's an emotional Katrina.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
You know it came in.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
It washed everything out?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay? Was that a location of where the body was?
Speaker 5 (33:16):
It was a location of something I do.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
I don't need to hear his.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Well, need to hear more specific.
Speaker 10 (33:23):
Do we have a location where we believe that she is.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
I think there is a deal among multiple people to.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
Split the spoils of war, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Neighbors woke up early Sunday morning to the sound of
a Sheriff's helicopter flying over dia Abrams Ranch near Idlewild.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Where's Dear is written and hosted by me Lucy Sheriff.
Our producer is Daphne Chen. Editing by Karen Shakerji, production
assistance from Joey Fish, ground fact checking by Lauren Vespoli.
Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design
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and mastering by Echo Shaw's. Where's Dere is a co
production of Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia. You can listen to
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all of Where's Dear right now add free by becoming
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