Conversations: In Our Own World - "2. Outta the Closet and Into the Cosmos: Johann's Voyage" - Conversations, Corazón y Cultura

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Being gay or being part of the community, I would
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Speaker 13 (03:05):
Because I've dated men, a lot of them were gay. Sorry, boys,
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and everything in between. Welcome Bi Benitos to the second
episode of the third season. See I got it right
this time?

Speaker 10 (03:35):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (03:37):
Thank you of in our Own World, Baby, thank you
for those of you that tuned in for the first episode.
It was chaotic and it's only going to get worse
from here. But today before everything goes to hell and
a hand basket, we are so thrilled and excited to
have somebody that we both admire respect met in a

(03:58):
you know, very low key envin and which is perfect,
which was perfect, so perfect, and we were both able
to fall in love with what he does and who
he is organically, which is the best way to get
to know somebody's talent from what they do. With no
further ado, Welcome our own World. Incredible.

Speaker 12 (04:18):
Wow, I'm so excited, so so excited. You guys are
part of this. So obviously this was the first like
podcast and invitation I was going to take because do
you have no idea how that important that night was
for me? And I'm telling you both it was.

Speaker 14 (04:31):
First let's tell the audience what happened.

Speaker 13 (04:35):
I don't know what happened.

Speaker 15 (04:37):
No, no, no.

Speaker 12 (04:37):
Two years ago I released the song August twenty second
of this year, twenty twenty four. But and I wrote
the song August twenty second, two years ago. Wow, and
I met you guys around the Billboard Week time, which
us probably like two weeks from now. We're three weeks
from now. Yeah, so I just wrote this song, which
we'll talk more about it. But you know, I went
to Billboard Week. You know, the struggle as independ an artists,

(05:00):
we're pretty much figuring it out. I did the song
kind of like as therapy or something, just like for me,
I was not gonna show it.

Speaker 14 (05:07):
Or release it or anything.

Speaker 12 (05:08):
After the whole day at you know, all that chattel
as and everything that was going on in Billboard, there
was like this party, what was it an after party
for someone?

Speaker 16 (05:16):
Honestly, what I remember was talking to you and your friend.

Speaker 12 (05:19):
Exactly, and we were just at the line trying to
get in, you know, like waiting, and we just started talking.
We get along really well, and then we were both
like should we just leave? We're like, we don't want
to go with this. Let's just go back to the
hotel and have a drink.

Speaker 14 (05:37):
So that's what we did.

Speaker 12 (05:38):
We went to the bar, We went to, you know,
have a drink US four with my friend Simone and
just started talking and it was like, you know, five
minutes in or more and it just got like very
personal and deep, and I don't know, I connected in
a way that it doesn't happen. And then we started
talking about like even just birthdays. You know, it's like
a day difference.

Speaker 13 (05:55):
I know, Saarius or December fifth, Baby, We're coming for
you exactly.

Speaker 16 (06:01):
Been here to like split you guys.

Speaker 14 (06:03):
Up, can I?

Speaker 12 (06:10):
But I was like, you know what, hearing their story,
hearing what I was going through, which is still the
process that I'm in. I can't believe two years after
I'm still going through all of this. And then you
realize this is just something that I really hope is
not for the rest of my life.

Speaker 14 (06:23):
That's what I'm fighting for.

Speaker 13 (06:24):
Yeah, but that's a struggle, right, Like it's not for
the rest of your life. But some things are out
of your control exactly, so making peace.

Speaker 12 (06:33):
With that, no, you try to make peace and then
other stuff happens or like you know, I just want
to live like a normal like life.

Speaker 14 (06:41):
Really, that's it.

Speaker 12 (06:42):
It's about having the same sort of like things. I
felt like I've always tried to be like very like
just even stuff that I see that it has nothing
to do with being gay or being part of the community.

Speaker 14 (06:53):
I would just try to like give my voice. Can
you imagine, gasp?

Speaker 15 (07:00):
Good for the world because you're so beautiful that everybody
should be able to, you know, enjoy it.

Speaker 14 (07:04):
Oh you have to, Oh, thank you.

Speaker 12 (07:08):
I feel like I've enjoyed it toomuch. I'm in that process.
But it's good exactly. The topic that we were talking
about was we met, we got along extremely well. I
connected it and I say it not because I'm in
your podcast, but I was like, wow, I really want

(07:28):
to show again. Also, I feel like I consider you
such an amazing musician too that I was like, and
and you have just a way of like connecting with
people and talking that I just you know, after like
ten minutes, I was like, first of all, in those
ten minutes, I was already talking about my whole life.
So after that, I was like, you know what, I
might as well show this song. And it was the

(07:49):
first demo of the song. I haven't showed it before.
So that's why it was so special because after I
saw like their connection within the reaction and the main
thing that it starts conversations that after that week day
talking for at least like three hours, it was it
was super late.

Speaker 15 (08:04):
Honestly, I feel like we left to be polite for
each other because I could have stayed there. Oh yeah,
and it was like, wow, we've been here for three hours,
so we should probably like be normal.

Speaker 17 (08:14):
No, no, no.

Speaker 12 (08:15):
But I felt the same way because I was like,
oh my god, it's them and I'm here like talking
about my whole life. But it was great because after
hearing the song, you guys started telling me like, you know,
I went through this, I went through this, and then
it's like a way for me to share that it
opened a door that I haven't considered before because before
that I thought like, ow, sexuality should not be a
topic that I should touch in my music, right because

(08:38):
that's what they told you. That's the conversation I heard
less than a week ago before I was going to
release again from my parents. It's like you're ruining your
career and all this. So you get that, and you
know you take it personally, you take it seriously like
it can be like a life death sort of situation
as to like, you know, this is my this has
been my dream for years, so obviously you want to
take care of it and kind of do the right thing.

Speaker 14 (09:00):
But at the end of the day, what is the
right thing? In that sense?

Speaker 12 (09:03):
It was like so many like questions, but that night
helped me so much as to like, maybe I should
think about releasing it.

Speaker 14 (09:09):
It was a two year process, but here we are
with a song.

Speaker 13 (09:13):
Not only that, first of all, congratulations. Second of all,
everybody needs to go listen to close it right now,
which is a song that we're talking about, so you
at least that is so bravely released. And I also
want to say, you know, like, as female queer humans,

(09:33):
you know, we have an experience that we do have
similarities in. But I can only imagine, especially in the
Latino world, what it is to be a queer male.
I'm sure that that comes with things that I could
never understand, right, because you know, sometimes we experience, oh, well,
you're just a gimmick, you know, like oh, two girls,
that's like hot.

Speaker 16 (09:53):
Hot, it's not taken seriously right.

Speaker 13 (09:56):
And it's like we'll validate our relationship, but we're not
being met with the violence that some male homosexual people
are met with, and it sucks you know, it's.

Speaker 14 (10:06):
You realize that like macho sort of thing from like Latin.

Speaker 13 (10:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (10:09):
I wouldn't just say Latin.

Speaker 13 (10:10):
I just feel like in the world, in the world, yeah,
you know, we are it being in that world. I
guess that's what I've seen represented in our community, and
I wish that would change. I wish Jim you pointed
out a line in his song that I would love
for you to say, Yeah, that's the world that I
would love for if I have kids, for them to

(10:31):
live in where they don't have to come to me
to announce their sexuality. Whatever you are, you are, there's
no preconceived walls that the world is building around you.

Speaker 12 (10:42):
It's crazy because I before even the song, I feel
like I had this certain like rage, as like why
do you have to come out of this thing that
I've you know, I'm still the same person, well like friends,
but you do realize that you limit yourself. Like now
that I'm out, I do feel honestly a bit more free,
and it's crazy that you you have to do that.
I really don't understand why. Yeah, and you think you

(11:06):
know twenty twenty four because I.

Speaker 14 (11:07):
Also see like a lot of people say, like, oh,
my god, this is so like it's you know, it's
not necessary. You think that, but then it is still Again.

Speaker 12 (11:14):
That's why was the process of two years, because for me,
I was like, Okay, it's gonna be just something. It's
my little gift for me, like I don't need to
share it to the world.

Speaker 15 (11:20):
And I think that's why it came out as perfectly
as it did, because I really feel like you never
lost the intimacy between your relationship to the.

Speaker 16 (11:28):
Song and like what you put out.

Speaker 12 (11:29):
No, no, no, it was you know, there was other
writers in the room. But and that actually I loved
that there was the other writers because it gave me
that line of combivio because they would try it. They
were heterosexual and they would try to like give an
opinion and be like, oh, maybe this and I'm like, no,
it's not that feeling, and not in a bad way,
like no, you don't get it, Like it was more

(11:51):
like you haven't lived it.

Speaker 14 (11:53):
So even though you're saying beautiful words.

Speaker 12 (11:55):
And it you know, it sounds great melody and it's
all it's not connecting to me because it's not what
I'm going through. And that's why I feel that the
song is so special. Every single line came out like
it just happened. Like the process of writing this was
the easiest thing I've ever done in my life. But
I needed seven years of career and two years of

(12:16):
being scared to like be able to release it. But
the moment that I was there, it was like thirty
forty minutes, it was just a rule out.

Speaker 14 (12:23):
But you know, this comes with.

Speaker 12 (12:25):
Two years of therapy, years of figuring out all my
life situation and everything. I feel like it's so many things,
But I really wish the song helps. I really wish
it starts giving that perspective which it has done to
like families and to straight people as to like, you
know what, maybe I can't really be calling someone because
I haven't lived it, and yeah, like just have that

(12:48):
thought as to like where, yeah, coming out of where
and like seeing that struggle as to like, you know,
the family issues, the losing the parents, the feeling bad
about yourself for years, like all of that is said
in the song, and then when someone that hasn't lived
it listens to that, it's like, oh, right, that happens,

(13:09):
you know. It's like, yeah, there's so many sides to it,
and so many like layers and things.

Speaker 14 (13:14):
It's it's crazy. I do wish people stop with the
coming out.

Speaker 13 (13:17):
I think also like that fear that everybody instills in
you of like, well, if this is your career, don't
mix it with your sexuality because you're going to lose
a bunch of fans.

Speaker 16 (13:27):
It's like, well you that too, right, But it's like
do you want those fans true?

Speaker 13 (13:32):
You know, like that's the question, Like okay, yeah, let's
say you lose a bunch of fans, and then you
gain a bunch of.

Speaker 16 (13:39):
A community for a community community.

Speaker 13 (13:41):
You gain this community that you are helping because people
listen to your work and now are going to connect
to it.

Speaker 16 (13:49):
People that aren't where you are yet, who.

Speaker 13 (13:52):
Haven't done the therapy, who haven't done the work. That
song is going to help them get there. It is,
you know, and you paid a lot of money in therapy.

Speaker 12 (14:02):
Fancy The song started as a in therapy. It was
me writing a letter to the Johanno to like, yeah,
their inner child, that's like heal because again, the process
was so long and also and like just like oh
so you know, like at the end of therapy, it's
like you just kind of have to work on yourself,

(14:23):
like just not let other stuff affect you and you know,
like be good with yourself. So it was like, let's
write this letter to like your parents and to everything
that's going on and like heal those things. And I
was like, okay, I'll do all of this process. And
you know, I finished the letter and I'm okay, I'm
going to the studio. Let's write a pop hit and
you know, talking about like other stuff, and you know,

(14:44):
we're at the studio and they're like, uh huh and
it's just a studio, you know. Obviously they're like, I
don't say like I can't remember the word, and I
really wish I remembered what was the word that it
was just like like is that when the writers would
be saying it that I was just got to the
point that I was like we all need to stop.
I was like, nope, let's go, let's think of something

(15:05):
completely different. There was a love song, you know, like
like nay Nai, but it I was specific. There was
something specific that just took me somewhere that I was like,
I'm just really not connecting to this.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
You know.

Speaker 12 (15:18):
I was in that time, I was in a relationship
with a guy for like a year already and super
in love with him, so talking about like hips, come on,
I was like no, I was like, I mean he has.

Speaker 13 (15:31):
Hairs to this something I.

Speaker 14 (15:37):
Really don't connect, like soft skin. And I was like,
I have a question for you.

Speaker 13 (15:42):
I have a question for you which Jim can actually
speak on this. I have a song called Rains and
when I did the music video, because I've dated men,
a lot of them were gay.

Speaker 16 (15:49):
Believe it is, sorry, boys.

Speaker 13 (15:52):
Every time I talk about being straight something just.

Speaker 14 (16:00):
Wow, she does not like that anyway, back it off.

Speaker 13 (16:07):
So's it's it's really not like that because that always
gives me shit because I'm like, yo, persona, you know,
like the person that you are. The skin is for skin,
you know what I mean what I prefer it to
have boobies in a big ass and flow and hips.

(16:28):
But anyway, so sorry, I think anybody, what's happening to me?
Like I know for a fact now that my preferences women,
you know, like that's that's my truth, you know, I
prefer dating women. I had a music video where my
quote unquote love interest was this hot dude, you know,
which didn't make any sense anyway, because look at me.

Speaker 16 (16:48):
What the fuck you're hot.

Speaker 13 (16:50):
That's the thing, Thanks babe. But I ended up like
losing my mind in the video and like, like anyway,
the point is how long ago a lot It was
a while ago. I was like nineteen, and you were
like before she was out okay, before I was out right.
So even in the comments of the video, people would
be like, what the hell, she's so gay? No, like,

(17:12):
she's so gay, Oh my god, please a guy that's
so unbelieve like that, nobody would believe that, you know,
watching it back now, I still stand by it, you know,
because at the time it was a version of my truth.
But I can see how disconnected I was for my
work because I was trying to hide everything in like metaphors.

Speaker 12 (17:30):
Ah, like oh, I'm not going to put a genre
or not, which is fine, but at the end of
the day, it does limit your work, no, and so
in some sort of way, or you know.

Speaker 13 (17:39):
What I learned, I mean, at least personally for me,
the more of me I became, the more simplified my
art became in the sense of the translation. Right, So
instead of saying like you are a flower pedal in
my tunnel of love, I'd be like, girl get over here,
you know.

Speaker 14 (17:56):
What I'm saying whatever the conversational and.

Speaker 15 (18:02):
Making it more relatable to because sometimes I think like
we as artists maybe use other language.

Speaker 16 (18:08):
To kind of like I want to put the image
out there, like I want to.

Speaker 15 (18:11):
I want to transmit the feeling, but I don't want
to call it by its name, So I'll use the
metaphor to satisfy myself to a certain extent, but then
I don't want the audience.

Speaker 16 (18:20):
To pick up on what I'm actually thinking about.

Speaker 15 (18:22):
We can all relate to the fact that there's no
right time to come out, especially because of something that
you were able to translate so beautifully in your song
is we don't feel like we're in a closet. The
world tells us we're in a closet.

Speaker 16 (18:40):
We are just experiencing life firsthand.

Speaker 15 (18:43):
We're meeting a soul and falling in love and going
through all of those changes and all of those motions.
And it's later on after we realize what's happening that
we're like, oh, wow, crap, what do I do now?
I can't imagine. Billie Eilish is somebody who rose to
such a level of fame so quickly, so young what
her experience was like with that question. She was coming

(19:06):
from that space that we can all relate to, which
is like, why do I have to say anything?

Speaker 16 (19:10):
I'm just showing.

Speaker 12 (19:11):
Also, she's like new generation too. It's a whole different
sort of thing.

Speaker 13 (19:16):
For them, right, it is totally which is great, which
I love.

Speaker 12 (19:20):
That since the beginning, you know, like it's not like
a disconnect fully in her art like Billy you know,
always had her thing, which is incredible, you know, so
different like Ricky Martink and like it had to be
like two different versions of a person because of the
time that it was like now she was able to
be a bit more herself. For me, it was funny
because people are like, oh, we knew like obviously, like

(19:41):
how you're dressing, and I'm like, yeah, it wasn't high
Like it's not like it's not a.

Speaker 14 (19:45):
Shocker, Like it's not Ricky.

Speaker 13 (19:47):
You brought up Ricky not only the time, the fact
that he was so you know, pinholed as in a
moment by women as like this the sex symbols exactly
that man of the huh. Yeah, that's like a whole
other pressure.

Speaker 12 (20:03):
That he had to like, you know, dress and like
all do and be always like this and then you know,
which coming out feels like no, now it's like a
whole different person when.

Speaker 15 (20:12):
People feel like you lied to them exactly because they're
they're attached to that.

Speaker 12 (20:16):
Image of you and that Even today when I was
responding to some questions, I was like, so, now there's
like a new person, Like now we're meeting the new Joe.

Speaker 14 (20:23):
And I'm like, no, we're in a different time.

Speaker 12 (20:25):
It's not like for me, it's not you know a
lot of the comments where like I we knew, like
this is not should not be like a big thing.
I'm like, I know, Like that's been my process of discovering.
Like you guys, you know, I've been on social media
for a while and I've been getting people involved. I
went to a pride, you know, twenty twenty one and
posted about it. I'll go and start I know, clothing

(20:49):
and stuff like that has nothing to do with your sexuality,
but it's just it's it's fun to like start expressing
and just finding stuff exactly to play on that side
that I started doing without telling anyone, So it was
like without having to make my statement. So I'll start
trying with stuff and I feel like I was able
to do it because the time that we're at, like
Billy was able to, you know, dress more herself, to

(21:12):
talk without having to be like so specific in in
the songwriting. But obviously it still gets so apart where
she's like, you know what, I'm just going to say it.

Speaker 14 (21:20):
I just want to do it.

Speaker 13 (21:21):
That's what I love about breaking down those industry walls.
And it's going to be uncomfortable at first for a
lot of people. But you don't need to announce anything, honey,
like date who you want to date and come date us. Well, listen,
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We could do that.

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Speaker 14 (25:55):
Let's see if they're still there, because that's okay.

Speaker 16 (25:58):
It's okay.

Speaker 14 (25:58):
If oh yeah, let's see. They're like.

Speaker 13 (26:05):
Endless questions.

Speaker 12 (26:06):
You see, no, because this is happening obviously, like right now,
which is crazy for me.

Speaker 14 (26:11):
I'm like, what, wow, But I love that.

Speaker 16 (26:14):
Look at you. You started a discourse, you started, you started.

Speaker 12 (26:18):
It's about conversation, the amount of messages I'm getting us
to like, I'm going through this, what can I do?
And I'm like at the end, you know, I'm not God,
I can't help people in that certain way, but just
I feel like maybe just telling the story or just
letting the music speak for itself it can.

Speaker 14 (26:31):
It's going to connect. Then it's going to help people
in some way.

Speaker 12 (26:33):
It was crazy because people started coming out after the
song and they got me involved, and I was like,
oh my god, don't know if I I'm the person to.

Speaker 13 (26:41):
Be support you give them, you know.

Speaker 14 (26:44):
I was like that.

Speaker 12 (26:46):
I was like, wow, there's a pressure, but I'm just
happy the song like got to that and it is
doing that because what I really want it to happen
is that we don't have to come out of anything
or go through this process, which it's really again I'm
living in and it's you know, you miss and you
learn like it there's no right answer.

Speaker 14 (27:06):
I feel like I'm just going day by day. I said, like,
what to do? You know, still with the issues with
family and still like figuring out the whole situation. But
it's like, you know, it's done, so now you go
from there, you know.

Speaker 15 (27:17):
I think one of the coolest things about this conversation
right now is the three of us are like in
different places that are coming up journey. Because Emily actually
came out with me, I was the girlfriend. The fact
that I think I came out at the age that
I did gave me some sort of an advantage in
my adult life because I was fourteen, I actually.

Speaker 16 (27:37):
Didn't come out. I never came out.

Speaker 15 (27:38):
I was outed, you father, he actually it was or
it's a good thing looking back.

Speaker 14 (27:46):
Now, I don't know, because sometimes maybe you prefer just that, not.

Speaker 13 (27:52):
Like, uh, what do you think let us know out there?

Speaker 10 (27:56):
No?

Speaker 13 (27:56):
No, no, do you want to be out or do
you want to get I was kind of outed too
though well so.

Speaker 15 (28:03):
But the thing is I was forteen's and it really
did suck because it was my dad reading my text messages,
I know, and he literally sat across from me and
he was He just said, I know you like girls,
And I actually hadn't even admitted.

Speaker 16 (28:17):
To myself that I liked girls.

Speaker 15 (28:20):
I mean, I was in a very big People don't
understand like homophobia exists in all of us.

Speaker 16 (28:26):
It's it's an after effect.

Speaker 14 (28:28):
We have it too. It's crazy. That's why it's that.
It's that I've read this book. It changed my life.
Velvet Rage.

Speaker 12 (28:36):
The first guy I went out with showed it to me.
It's like that we have that internalized homophobia. It's horrible,
like you feel like you're flawed and you have an.

Speaker 14 (28:45):
Issue and but then wrong with you.

Speaker 12 (28:47):
You know, you go through your life trying to like
accept yourself. But because it's so like since you were
a little kid, you know, and you just see and
hear all those things that that's why, like I don't
know in gay world. It's like best best bodies, the
best successful. They have to be the best to like
compensate what this part where you feel like you're flawed.
That's that's why it's even harder to have like a
steady relationship and everything because you feel like you're not

(29:10):
worthy of it.

Speaker 14 (29:11):
It's it's like a whole it's.

Speaker 16 (29:12):
Really tough thing.

Speaker 15 (29:13):
And people think that because we live in this world
now that it's a little bit more accepted, and it's like, oh,
that's not a thing anymore. Nobody's no, no, no, it's
still a thing. We still go outside. We're a couple
of almost eight years and we still hold hands and
we've been in spaces where we've let go.

Speaker 14 (29:28):
People are I still can't do it. To be honest,
it's not easy.

Speaker 13 (29:32):
If you are affected by homophobia, please call.

Speaker 14 (29:39):
But it is very They don't know.

Speaker 12 (29:43):
In just getting like like I feel like that's the
process that I've been through and it's still going through
it as to like I don't even know.

Speaker 14 (29:50):
It's so tough. You know, you can't do that. That's
too gay even like or you get no, no, no,
like ble and it's coming for me. It's not even
you know, no, no, no, the stuff better. There's those
little voices like in the head for.

Speaker 13 (30:04):
Me, I think also, like, that's what I love about
getting to know the person that I am. Some days
I'm so gay. So I mean like some days I
act one way, some days I act another. They make
me feel different emotions. They make me explore the spectrum
of what it is to be a human being. Some
days I like to feel like a beautiful woman, some

(30:26):
days to free lock more.

Speaker 8 (30:28):
Like, you know what I mean.

Speaker 13 (30:30):
It really depends, you know what I mean? And personally
I rock with that, you know, like flow like water
the ocean. You wake up one day and the waves
are flat, and the next day the waves are huge,
and the next day the beaches all the way to
the shore. But it's still fucking ocean.

Speaker 14 (30:46):
You guys, like, yes, we're all oceans, you see. I know,
but it is super true. It is true.

Speaker 13 (30:55):
So you want to answer a couple of questions.

Speaker 12 (30:56):
Let's see, I'm reading stuff. Look, there's a lot of
stuff like that thing said, it is a little bit close.

Speaker 14 (31:02):
It is.

Speaker 12 (31:05):
When was I ready to tell my parents when I
found someone that it was worth it for me to
tell them?

Speaker 14 (31:11):
True?

Speaker 13 (31:12):
That's literally what I said, yeah, that's literally my answer.

Speaker 12 (31:16):
But it's also before that because it's it was such
a scary process. There's also stuff that happened before as
a little kid that I can't say because I don't
want to like villainize my parents or any of that.
But there was stuff that made me be even more
scared as telling them or explaining them what was going
on or thoughts that I had, Like the first guy

(31:37):
I went out with was twenty two, but after a while,
I was so like, I need to figure out what,
like what's going on because you know, when it happens
at that late of an age where I thought, you know,
I had everything figured out and then this was like boom,
wait a minute, a whole different side.

Speaker 14 (31:52):
Of life came in.

Speaker 12 (31:55):
I was like, okay, because I can't go to my
parents also and be like this. But then, you know,
which can have happened with the people too like that.
They'll call it like indecisiveness or I don't know, but
it's not really that. It's just how I see love
nowspect change.

Speaker 13 (32:11):
Data man, and then you want a data woman again, get.

Speaker 14 (32:14):
Do it exactly?

Speaker 12 (32:15):
And then there is so But my process with parents
was I'm going to tell them when there's someone that
that makes sense for me to to talk about.

Speaker 15 (32:24):
It, so as somebody who did, again, I didn't have
the opportunity to come out myself. So my question is
to both of you, do you feel like that was
you making a promise to yourself or do you feel
like that was more like, I'm going to set this
this this goalpost here and and that'll give me time
before reaching it.

Speaker 13 (32:42):
Do you think that that was just like for me,
it was just that I was getting to know what
I liked and I didn't feel the need to share
that with anybody before I personally wasn't sure. And then
to his point, like when I fell love with you,
it was something that was so sure to me that

(33:05):
it didn't matter what anybody thought. What was more important
was that you were the person that I was choosing
to be with and I wanted to bring into your
life my life, which is what becomes the issue, you know, like,
then then it's the problem, then it's the problem, Then
it's the problem. Then is that person accepted? So for me,
it was just about preserving the fact that it was

(33:28):
my world and knowing that the moment that I tried
to bring somebody else into it. I knew it was
going to be a drama somehow.

Speaker 12 (33:35):
Yeah, I want to say a couple of things regarding
like that. First, for me, it was like I feel
like I self sabotaged so many relationships before that that
could have been someone also amazing, but because of this
process of like having to think, oh, I like them
so much, but they're gonna I'm gonna have to go
through this with family and with society and with people,
I'm gonna stop.

Speaker 14 (33:54):
This right now, And that for me, I'm like, suck. Aha,
it really sucks.

Speaker 12 (34:00):
But I got this person that was like so it sticked,
it stayed, It was like strong, It was like a
whole thing that it just got to the part that
I was like, okay, I have to it's it's time.
There was some pressure I'll say on my partner, well
my ex now, but my partner in that time as
to like, because I was living the other side, and
I'm so happy I was able to see the other

(34:21):
side of to like seeing a very loving, accepting family.

Speaker 14 (34:24):
And a very beautiful process that he went through.

Speaker 12 (34:27):
Yes, no, he went through it with me too, but
you know, with the mom and everything. It was like incredible,
and they were so welcoming the whole family that I
was like, this is amazing, you can have it. Now,
I want to have it with my family. That's why
I feel like this has been even harder and tougher
for me, because I've seen the rainbow, the nice side,

(34:51):
the good side, and then obviously you want to see
it with your family, and when you don't receive it,
it's like, hmm, I feel like it's even it's tougher
in that sense because you know, I'm like, why would
I be in this house where this person is not
accepted at all, can't even get close to the perimeters.
And then the other side there, you know, stay here
as many days as you want as you need, Let's

(35:13):
travel the world, let's go, let's hours talking and everything.
And then you're like, wow, this whole thing. And the
only reason why I spoke to my parents was to
have them closer to your life, to close to my life,
because it was already a year of like how are you,
where are you?

Speaker 14 (35:28):
And I'm like, oh, I was yeah with friends.

Speaker 12 (35:30):
Yeah I was, you know, in the other side of
the world and in south of France, and I couldn't
say what with who or anything.

Speaker 14 (35:36):
It sucks.

Speaker 13 (35:37):
Feels like you're lying to yourself.

Speaker 14 (35:38):
Yeah, to yourself. Literally, it's not even to them.

Speaker 12 (35:40):
It's like you get you know, I would go visit them,
like super excited, and then it's like, oh, you've been up.

Speaker 14 (35:45):
To and all this and you're like anxiety.

Speaker 12 (35:49):
Ah, and then you know, keeping the conversation shorts the
small talk, and I was like, come on, it's my parents,
like and I started the conversation like look, I just
want to be closer to you guys. This has been
happening and I'm super happy about it, so let's all
be happy together. And then it didn't happen like that.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
But you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 16 (36:07):
Oh sorry, honestly, yeah, I'm sorry. It's even if it's the.

Speaker 15 (36:11):
Most common thing for people of people of our kind,
but you know, for people who go through this experience,
I think like more often than not, family is not
happy about it. But even though that's common, it still
sucks and I'm still sorry.

Speaker 14 (36:28):
I was just talking about that.

Speaker 12 (36:30):
I also how like many times you just get like,
you know, the first reaction being like sad or whatever,
and then this you know, the son, daughter whatever gets away,
they get separated, and then the parents are like, well.

Speaker 14 (36:43):
I guess I'll have to accept it, okay, and I'm
just like.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Yeah, I mean you don't have to so well.

Speaker 13 (36:51):
I mentioned this a lot, and I had an episode
when we were doing Red Table where I talked to
my mom about some difficulties that I had in my journey.
I always bring up because one of my very best
friends from college, Juliano, he was gay and he came
out to his parents and he always says a story.
He says he told his dad he's gay, and he goes,
do you accept me that word? You accept me?

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Accept?

Speaker 13 (37:13):
And his dad goes, no, like accept you. He's like,
I love you because you're gay, because that's who you are.
It's not like now this is some in site of
in spite of the you know what I mean. It's
not like now I'm learning this thing about you that
you just bought off a shelf at Walmart. Like you've
loved this person the whole time, the person, you know

(37:36):
what I mean. And that's something that I've I've always
thought is a powerful thing, especially like if you're a parent.
I'm not a parent, but I'm a child on the
other end of it, and we have these expectations for
the people that we love because we want them to
be happy with us, you know, and that's what hurts
so bad. But not making it something that's like you're accepting,

(37:57):
but just acknowledging, like that's a beautiful part of you
that I love, Like, you know, great, as long as
the person that you're with treats you right, loves and
respects you and is inappropriate age, you know, what is
the problem?

Speaker 14 (38:14):
True?

Speaker 12 (38:15):
I actually want to share something because again this week
has been the song has been out for five days,
but it's been like so crazy and a lot of
the a lot of the Hispanic culture or say everyone
you know, try to use a god as to like
this a way to weaponize like loving freely. So I
actually went to a pastor to talk to him because
I was like, you know what, I again, this is

(38:37):
a process that I'm still going at it as to
like accepting and loving myself.

Speaker 14 (38:41):
I say it completely openly. I'm not there yet.

Speaker 12 (38:46):
So those comments and those things it still affects. It's
not like I'm super strong and I'm ready for it.
It's been five days, so you know, and that but
in somebody stand those things in Ecuador, they're so behind
and they's just it was so fun, so stupid, like
they'll post articles not tag me because they know, you know,
I can be checking and they'll put like Martin and

(39:14):
I'm like, what are you trying to do with this?
And this I'm saying, like per he is like the
strongest newspapers there. I'm like, you're making this a joke
and it's so tough. So the point is I go
to the pastor because I was just like I'm just here,
tell me, and then he's like, you know, I'm not
a moral compass here, like you know, church is not
here to be like this is good or this right,

(39:34):
Like no, it was, Yeah, it was great to talk
to him.

Speaker 14 (39:37):
And he just said, you know, Dio s implemented, like
that's it. God is proud of you simply because you're
his son. That's it. And that should be the same
with parents. They don't need to look for.

Speaker 12 (39:51):
Like the biggest trophy and the biggest award and the
biggest thing. They should just be proud because you were
their son.

Speaker 13 (39:57):
But he told you guys to bang and make us.

Speaker 12 (40:02):
Answer, but exactly they didn't, you know, you brought this.
There were extension of them just be proud of that
weird like alive and you know, be proud of that
almost whatever.

Speaker 14 (40:14):
That's it. And that for me was like, wow, that's
because you know you're like, oh, am I wrong?

Speaker 13 (40:23):
Is all that?

Speaker 12 (40:23):
And he's like in the pastor was like yeah you're wrong,
Yeah you are wrong. But then he's like I am
wrong too, like with like you know, the Bible says,
don't lie, don't do all this, and you know we're
all human, like no one's perfectly, no one can judge
regarding any of this, like regarding anything.

Speaker 14 (40:41):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 12 (40:41):
The main thing is like I'm you know, I'm at
a y And it was just for me, like okay,
so what you were saying about being proud, he to crazy.

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That's it. If we.

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Speaker 13 (45:00):
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Speaker 14 (45:04):
Okay, do insist that chad up familia? So they do.
I don't get it.

Speaker 12 (45:12):
So with this release, the problem is that it became
very public the moment it was. I did not expect
it to be like this. He actually said it was
like a marketing thing, and I'm like, guys, seriously, I'm
here like having the worst days of my life.

Speaker 16 (45:25):
People forget the human behind artist.

Speaker 12 (45:26):
And you really saying, I'm, you know, receiving the most
horrible stuff from the people I love. And I'm just like, like,
obviously it's not going to be a marketing thing. I'm
feeling this for real.

Speaker 9 (45:37):
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Speaker 12 (45:37):
I went to my parents' house excited to show the
music video. I came out to them two years ago.
I've been trying two years for them.

Speaker 14 (45:43):
To meet my my ex. They never did, never wanted
to even get close to it.

Speaker 16 (45:48):
What did they say was the reason they didn't want
to meet?

Speaker 12 (45:50):
Your ex didn't want to be that's I just posted
something about it right now before starting. It's that side
of like, well do your They would also use the
worst words.

Speaker 14 (46:02):
Like like this, like like we don't need to know
see any of this.

Speaker 13 (46:10):
To do you feel like the next person that you
fall in love with. If your parents continue to have
that reaction, what would you do?

Speaker 12 (46:19):
I don't know, because I really does. It's sad and
I don't want to villainize them. It's just it's just
if you're a parent or something, you're gonna have kids,
just to see this other side as to like it
really messes up relationships to it.

Speaker 14 (46:31):
It's like, you know, I'm not gonna blame it fully,
but it is a big part of it.

Speaker 12 (46:36):
It is it gets so part for the other person
that is tiring, you know, two years and a half,
as to like, you know, the other accepting, loving, traveling,
and then the other side they can't can't even get
close to the house yeah, or be like around any
of this. So it's like and then you're in that
internal fight as to like, okay, so family, you know,

(46:57):
you want to stand up for your partner too, but
at the same time, it's also your family and you
don't want to you know.

Speaker 14 (47:02):
It's like it's a very.

Speaker 12 (47:04):
Very complicated situation, and I keep getting all these messages
and all this like, oh, you know, it's so wrong
for you to be doing with his parents and all this,
and it's like, I didn't want any of this to
be public. It just happened that before me releasing the video,
I went to them. I was like, I spoke three
days ago before, like this is coming out. Any questions
do you have. Let's go to therapy, let's work it out.

(47:24):
I want you guys to be okay and comfortable with this. No, nothing, nothing, okay.
The day before, same thing again. The day of I'm like, guys,
it's about to come out. It's not stopping it. Tell me,
tell me what can we do. I'm here, let's talk
about it, the reason why I'm doing this and what
I want to achieve. No, you're ruining your career.

Speaker 14 (47:45):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 12 (47:46):
They called me like pedophile of this and all of this,
just the crazy stuff that I was just like that
I was doing incests, comparing and comparing like being homosexual,
comparing it to crazy stuff.

Speaker 13 (48:00):
So obviously they don't probably even believe that it's something
they've been conditioned.

Speaker 12 (48:08):
You know, I know, I know they love me, and
that's what I'm saying. I know, I know it's gonna
be fine. It's just I really hope years on from
now people can't avoid this or have to go through this.
And that's why the song, and that's why I've even
sharing this to you guys, because I know it's like
personal stuff.

Speaker 13 (48:24):
It happens to all of us.

Speaker 14 (48:25):
It's just for it to be like it happens and
you know how to handle it. At the end of
the day.

Speaker 12 (48:30):
The only thing you can do is look, give time,
work on yourself, forgive see it everything from love.

Speaker 17 (48:37):
Be loo.

Speaker 12 (48:42):
I would try to see it from the side like
it's coming from love. I know they're scared. I know
they love me so much that they're just scared that
the world is gonna, you know, hurt hurt me. So
that's why they're having this to sort of protect me.
It might not be the right way.

Speaker 13 (48:58):
That's what hurts you more. What hurts you more is
how the people closest to you react to the things
you share. With them, not the world, at least in
my experience. And again I keep referencing that Red Table
episode I did with my mom because that was you
keep saying like, oh my god, those were some of
the worst days of my life. Like when that episode
came out, I equally got people that were like, Wow,

(49:19):
you helped me come out, and people like you're a
fucking mala.

Speaker 14 (49:22):
I see that.

Speaker 13 (49:23):
I can't, like, what are you doing to your parents,
like with everything they gave you? And then in my case,
it's like, oh my god, you know I have this
privilege and this you know, this way that people see me,
and it's like, how dare you?

Speaker 5 (49:36):
You know what was the other day?

Speaker 13 (49:37):
Somebody was like, what a shame? Your mom was so epic,
like you suck.

Speaker 16 (49:41):
People are always gonna talk anyway.

Speaker 15 (49:44):
The point is that, I mean, it's I mean that
let me let me just give you that preface to
somebody who Okay, so I just turned thirty and I
came out when.

Speaker 13 (49:52):
I was four.

Speaker 14 (49:55):
I'm two years away, but I came out.

Speaker 15 (49:57):
When I was fourteen, and I can tell you, like
to the to day, people still say terrible things to us,
to me, to Emily, what's gonna happen is what I
already think that you realize is happening. Is you're gonna
get to the point where you're gonna settle into yourself
and it's just gonna slign off of you, like better
because you're gonna realize I'm on my journey.

Speaker 13 (50:18):
And they're on their journey, and their journey sucks, and
my journey rocks. Their journey sucks.

Speaker 16 (50:24):
I did not say that my journey rocks.

Speaker 14 (50:29):
I mean I hope. So no, no, no, it's been again.
At the end of the day, you have to do it.

Speaker 12 (50:34):
I do feel better at just having like I feel
like I haven't had interviews or opportunities to just talk
like this and be like after releasing the song, that
was a promise I did to myself, like just be
open about it, vocal because someone's gonna connect with it.
And why do I have to like yeah, limit at
the end of the day, you know, it's just gonna
connect more with my art and what I do and

(50:55):
someone's gonna.

Speaker 13 (50:56):
You can't fake real exactly and now more.

Speaker 14 (51:00):
With phones and everything that happens. The whole thing.

Speaker 12 (51:02):
I like, I feel like, what's making you know, people
successful or anything it's just often authenticity, but it really
like you can now, you can really tell if there's
something like not fully authentic, and I think it's crazy.

Speaker 13 (51:17):
I'm excited for your parents to find out about your
only fans launch mm hmm. Some that No, no, no,
I mean I'm crazy direct homophobia at me.

Speaker 18 (51:36):
No, but you know who gets fucking pissed? Ea, there
something they're saying something bad about Like I tell those
people are looking to piss you off.

Speaker 13 (51:52):
They're looking for your attention. And of one thousand incredible comments,
I respond to the two trolls who take that energy
and respond to the people who are giving you.

Speaker 16 (52:04):
Okay, but what do you say all the time. A
lot of times I've been able to change people's mind.

Speaker 13 (52:07):
Yeah, but that's you. We're all We're not all.

Speaker 15 (52:09):
Yeah, don't take my do as I say, not as
I do. I told you before we came in here.
But I just want to say it again, Thank you, truly, truly,
truly for putting words to all of our feelings because
watching that I relived that experience for myself. Of course,

(52:29):
first of all, like I told you, you looked incredible.

Speaker 16 (52:31):
Let me just say that all lesbians in the videos.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you so much
for including that.

Speaker 14 (52:37):
Representation, and they're all everything that you've seen in video.

Speaker 13 (52:43):
Yes, it's for me.

Speaker 12 (52:44):
It was super important. That's to like, that's why it's
so like.

Speaker 13 (52:48):
Everything came from your soul, your heart.

Speaker 12 (52:50):
Yeah, I had to be honest because again, the song
is so honest that I was like, there can be
a single gimmick.

Speaker 14 (52:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (52:57):
I love that there can be a single gimmick because
if you're gonna notice it, and that's I feel like,
that's why, you know, I saw like my little me
and it was just like I ball in crying the
whole time. I was just healing so much stuff with
filming the video, since every scene that was regarding closet,

(53:19):
it was me taking out everything, like I just couldn't.
I couldn't do shots without being filled with emotions. I'm
not sure if I can sing it, to be honest,
like yeah, yeah, because even just America, you don't sing life.

Speaker 14 (53:33):
You know, they just play the song. I don't know
if you can say that, but yeah, no, it's obviously
it's not life.

Speaker 13 (53:37):
Come on a lot less.

Speaker 12 (53:40):
Yeah, like those morning shows, you know, because of sound
and everything, you can't and before that they showed like
the Ricky Martin video. I obviously started crying so much
because again it was like the second it was the
day after I released it, so it was just like
so much happening. And then it was just like bawling crying.
I'm like, if this is with lip singing, it like,
how am I going to do this when I have

(54:00):
to perform it.

Speaker 13 (54:01):
You're gonna connect, You're gonna keep healing.

Speaker 12 (54:04):
It's healing therapy, That's what I'm saying. That's why this
song is so so personal. Yeah, so personal.

Speaker 13 (54:10):
There's something else that we would love to introduce you
to that happens here while we're in space. By the way,
how's been the non gravity good?

Speaker 14 (54:17):
I love it? And here like like let us be free.
I love that.

Speaker 13 (54:23):
It's great your hair standing up on its own.

Speaker 10 (54:26):
You see that.

Speaker 14 (54:27):
It's a safe place for sure, No feel good.

Speaker 13 (54:29):
I love your hair, by the way. We're just talking
about that. But anyway, there's something that we'd like to
do here in our own world. That is everybody's spices.
Everyone in the coolest. Now we're in the whole fucking world.

Speaker 16 (54:39):
It's called spaceness.

Speaker 13 (54:44):
So here, it's that here and in our own world,
we like to update the people on what's going on
up here in space. Down on Earth. They don't care,
but we tell them anyway. So this week in outer space,
this is all one hundred percent trip okay of you
being your most authentic self. We only say the truth.

Speaker 14 (55:04):
Let's hear it, all right.

Speaker 13 (55:05):
The Hubble telescope has observed an oddly organized satellite. Upon
closer inspection, its name has now been revealed as Marie Kondo.
Oh yeah, okay, was so real and that's for real.
Renamed like a hundred percent real all right.

Speaker 14 (55:22):
Oh obviously not one hundred percent real.

Speaker 13 (55:25):
All right? College student, college student cousin Kitchen. This actually
is real. Her name is Kitchen. Props to her. College
student Cousin Kitchen is just twenty one years old and
has set a new record for Blue Origin, who has
successfully launched the youngest woman beyond the Carmen Line aka
almost into space. Carson said, and I quote, I just

(55:48):
wanted to get wasted for the first time in space.

Speaker 16 (55:51):
She didn't say that is she?

Speaker 13 (55:53):
No, No, you guys suck. I don't know what's real?

Speaker 17 (55:59):
What is it?

Speaker 13 (56:00):
Cousin?

Speaker 16 (56:00):
Give me a call? All right?

Speaker 13 (56:03):
Lastly, NASA says two American astronauts who are stuck on
the International Space Station will be brought back home on
a space X ship next year.

Speaker 14 (56:11):
That sucks.

Speaker 13 (56:12):
They have responded with two words, which are not happy birthday.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
And this has been.

Speaker 13 (56:24):
Okay, So the first part of that is real, and
then it's like.

Speaker 14 (56:31):
Yeah, when it got to Marikono, I was like wait, wait, everything.

Speaker 13 (56:35):
Up until Marion, well, it's been in absolute honor and
pleasure for having you here with us. Not only the
fact that we almost share a birthday December fourth, December fifth,
hell freaky yeah, but the way that we met was

(56:55):
so beautiful and kidsman, and we continue to have those
amazing conversations. And before we came into film, Jem said,
you know, we haven't seen you in a while, but
I'm feeling we're going to be seeing you a lot
more now because.

Speaker 12 (57:05):
I really hope so, because yes we have to again.
They're a big part of the of the song of this,
of everything that's happening.

Speaker 13 (57:15):
What an honor.

Speaker 12 (57:16):
So yeah, first place I was gonna you know, I
was gonna fly and everything, but I was like, no,
I'm staying. I'm going to space and visit them and
thanking them in person and showing them the video and yeah,
you know, talking about the whole thing.

Speaker 16 (57:30):
So thank you, we loved it, We appreciate it.

Speaker 13 (57:32):
Cheers too many more nights of ditching the club and
drinks at the hotel bar.

Speaker 14 (57:36):
We love it so much better than the club.

Speaker 13 (57:40):
We much better before we deorbit. Is there anything you
want to tell your fans and very lucky people that
get to witness what you're up to.

Speaker 12 (57:50):
Honestly, guys, thank you who's seen it has been part
of the process.

Speaker 10 (57:54):
You know.

Speaker 14 (57:55):
When this happened with family and everything, my.

Speaker 12 (57:58):
Way of seeing that I had support because that moment
had to be in the house. They literally said get
out of the house, and it was five minutes before
the video was premiered.

Speaker 14 (58:06):
I told him, can I just show the video?

Speaker 12 (58:08):
You have to go live, like the distributor asked me
to go life before to know people that the song
was coming out, and it was like out. So I
just went to like my childhood room upstairs and it
was like I couldn't believe that this is such a
big moment for me. I had to be there alone,
but I was not alone thanks to everyone that just
connected and was part of it and send all the

(58:29):
messages and trust me, I'm reading and I'm replying and
everyone that's going through it it. Thank you for just
sharing your story and using the song for whatever you need.

Speaker 14 (58:40):
In life right now.

Speaker 12 (58:41):
So that is extremely special. I was so scared of
releasing the song, and yeah, receiving more love than hate
is incredible and thank you.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
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Speaker 13 (58:55):
Everybody, go check him out, give him love and give
us loved because we need it. Thank you, love.

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