August 29, 2022 • 38 mins
Get ready to be put under a spell! Chiquis welcomes José Antonio Badía, host of the podcasts Leyendas Legendarias and Escuela Secreta, to talk about all things paranormal. Chiquis and Jose Antonio trade stories about their run-ins with “ghosts,” what they could really be and the possible explanations. Jose Antonio also tells us how anyone can start practicing magic and recounts the creepiest paranormal experience he’s ever had.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I grew up with no, ghosts don't exists, that's all
in your head. But I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait,
I'm not crazy. I know that I'm feeling something, I'm
hearing something. Magic is something very simple, is that your
will becomes reality if your will is to do harm.
That's why you would call black magic, but technically it's
just magic. What's been the craziest thing that you've experienced?
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Something you know, paranormal? Yeah, hello, and welcome to Chickens
and Chill. It's your girl, cheek Ease and damn. Do
we have an episode for you today. It's about all
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things paranormal. I'm talking about ghosts, magic and everything in between.
So why wait, let's get into it. This is chick
Ease and Chill. My guest today's Hose Antonio. He's a
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comedian influencer and the host of two very popular podcasts,
Leadarias and Secret That, which is part of my Family.
I can go on and on about how great these
two podcasts are, but let's introduce our guests. Jos Antonio.
Welcome to Chickens and Chill. How are you going with stars?
I'm great, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you
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for having me. Of course, I'm so excited to talk
to you. Have so many questions. Okay, f y I okay, perfect, awesome.
So first of all, tell me about your podcasts. Of course, Well,
let you know, Lecandadia's was a little side project we
started about to crime, the paranormal, and uh well just
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strange history, but with comedy, you know, because we're all comedians.
On my part, I wanted to do all of these
things but with good research because in Mexico, you know,
like everything about like your own now or scary stuff.
They're always trying to scare you, like oh it's Toby
and and I wanted to do this like seriously as
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in the real where the research comes in, but have
fun with it and joke about it. Into crime and
you know, make fun of the serial killers because I
think that's important that we put them down because sometimes
they become like heroes. And I speak a lot about
magic and uh like chaos magic. So from there, people
wanted to know more, right, so I came up with
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another podcast called The Secret School. So the Secret Schools there,
they are really old schools from thousands of years ago
where they would teach you about the occult and the
esoteric science and all of the stuff. And so what
I did is from legendas. I did this little podcast
for everybody that was interested in just the magic part
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and everything. And that's why I went full in, you know,
into magic, what it is, what it actually is, and
uh rational Satan, some weak witchcraft and just the left
hand Path, all of these things that people because of
fear and folklore and everything, they get it wrong, yes,
and they're scared of it when all of these things
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are made to enlighten us and to make us better
persons inside, right, I like that word enlighten us. But okay,
it's it's absolutely true. I grew up with you know, no,
ghosts don't exists. Um, that's all in your head. But
I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait, I'm not crazy.
I know that I'm feeling something, I'm hearing something, and
then they want to get scared about it, and I
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don't feel like I'm scared. I'm like, okay, it's okay.
Like sometimes in my old house when we lived nor
up the Inland Empire, I would hear things in my room.
My door would open. The door was super heavy there
was no wind, so it would just open at night
and it would make that little screechy noise like right,
And then I would tell my mom like, mom, my
door opens in the middle of the night. She's like, no,
that loca, You're crazy, there's no way. I was like, okay.
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And then one night I was laying in bed, awake, okay,
completely away. I was on the phone and on my
left leg I felt someone like, you know how, like
when someone gets on the bed, it sinks, the bed sinks.
So that happened in my foot when I felt it,
like they were crawling on my bed, and I was like,
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I yelled, and I was like, Mom, something's going on again.
You're crazy. That's all in your mind. It's your conscience.
You told me I'll never forget h exactly, and I
was like, mom, No. Then one time I was asleep,
this is a true story. I was asleep and in
the same room I hear like a little I felt
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it on my right and I heard it and it
woke me up, and I was like, what the F
I told my mom again lo mism. But literally a
week later, a lady from across the street came over.
We had moved into the house, like I don't know,
like six months before and she said, how, I just
want to introduce myself. Um, I see you guys moved in.
Do you guys know the history about the house. And
I'm like, know what history. She's like, oh, well, actually
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the person that owned this house, that built this house
years ago, he actually committed suicide. And I'm like, no way.
They're like, oh, they didn't disclose that information to you.
I'm like no, because there's opposed to They're supposed to
tell you what happened and then depending on the state,
depending on Yeah, depending on the state too, so they didn't.
And anyways, she told me that it was in my bedroom,
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that he committed suicide in my bedroom. So I was like, mom, say,
I'm not crazy. So yeah, So anyways, that's just my
little story. But I believe that's a residual thing. And
exactly that's why I tell people all the time, like
the phenomena is real. I'm adamant about this. It's real,
but we just don't understand it. So we've tried to
explain it with religion and fear and folklore instead of
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trying to look at it from a scientific point. So
I think we should look at this phenomena as, yeah,
it exists. It's happened to me too, Like I something
pulled my leg in bed. Yeah, something pulled my leg.
I woke up and my leg was up in the
air and I couldn't move. And I know they say,
like in let and sciences, like it's because your brain
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woke up but your body didn't. And that's like, well,
that's maybe why you can't move. But how can you
explain my dog going crazy barking at something that was there?
And my dog was like super calm, Corgy never did that.
She was on my chest and then like jumping around
the bed like something was trying to grab her. And
then four days after that she wouldn't go near the
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closet because I heard it like calm down. I couldn't
see it. I just felt it, and my dog followed
it too, and it went into the closet, and for
days my dog would not go near the closet. So
how can you explain that something happened there? And that's
a big the big conundrum with paranormal stuff. If the
proof is really good, people are gonna say it's fake.
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If the proof is not good enough, they're gonna say,
why don't you have a good camera. Unless somebody experiences
something for themselves, you will not be able to convince
them if they don't want to. But us that has
had things happened to them, we know without a doubt
that the phenomena is real, absolutely, And and because of
that experience, is that why you got into the paranormal
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or was it something before? Oh, I was born with it,
since I was a kid, Like in kindergarten, they made
us make some drawings and the teachers like, what's that?
And that's a purple monster. My mom has no idea
where I got the word monster from why I was
drawing monsters? And I think and I've always had an
obsession with the paranormal and the supernatural and all of these.
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And then as I got older, I started getting into
weaker and magic. My master's degree was in creative sciences
and how to use the occult as a creative process,
so I got even deeper into the actual teachings of
the other tracks. I've been doing this for like twenty
five years, and now it's I've started to talk about that,
you know, everything I've learned on this podcast, so people
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will stop fearing it and start looking at it more.
That's how it should be. Seeing. The esoteric arts and
the occult arts are trying to explain the world that
science is just barely trying to touch. Like quantum physics.
This has been described with other words, of course, since
thousands of years ago in esoteric texts. They just had
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other words for it, and noother how consciousness affects, you know,
the quantum, molecules and everything, entanglement, all of these things.
So science is just catching up, proving it, putting words
in it. But we know all of this is true.
What you tell me about magic, how does that work? Magic?
It's like one, it's the same, it's your will becoming reality.
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And then there's a lot of schools of magic. There's
like hermetic magic, which is incredibly hard, and it's the
classic TV trope magic with the robes and the silver
daggers and these people chanting and everything. So that's one way.
Then there's chaos magic, which is what I practiced the most,
which is basically punk magic or pop magic. Here's the thing,
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so it doesn't matter if it's hood or voodoo or
hermetic or everything. Every single school of magic is looking
for one thing, which is called noses. So noses it's
a state of mind where you're not asleep and you're
not awake, like if you wake up in the middle
of the night, and sometimes you'll even get up, go
to the bathroom and drink some water, go to sleep,
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and then you you don't even remember if you did
it or not. That's a state of noses. So every
school of magic find some way to get you to
that point, because that's where then your will can go
over your ego, because our ego is a pragmatic, dogmatic,
materialistic part right, that will go like, no, it's not
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gonna happen, but if you're in that state, you can
just project that onto the universe and then it might happen,
it might not, and it does not go against the
rules of physics and it's probabilities. Let's say you want
to win the lottery, but you don't buy a ticket.
So what we need to happen is somebody that you
would have to buy a winning lotter your ticket, then
lose it, and then the air is going to have
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to push it to where you are. The odds of
that happening are astronomic, so you need to work halfway
towards your goal, yes, okay, and then everything will match up.
That's how it works. I would really recommend like Weka
it's a really good practice because it's really spiritual. Or
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just go straight to chaos magic, which is basically Robert
Anton Wilson. He's the one that figured out like, it
doesn't matter if you're praying to God or Batman or Vishnu.
What matters is that you believe. Yes. Faith is yes.
So when you pray to like, I don't know our
changel Michael, what you're praying to it what he represents.
So if I don't know, you're scared of public speaking,
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you can pray to the Joker or Loki because they
represent somebody that wouldn't be afraid of public speaking. Right.
That's how belief works. So in magic and in chaos magic,
it's just about belief. Just believe that can happen, and
it teaches you a really simple method which is called
sigil's sigil magic, where your turn of phrase, let's say, uh,
I want to have a corgy, which is actually how
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I got my corgy with magic. I found it on
the street and I adopted it. Yeah, and so you
transform your phrase into a symbol and then with noses,
you just put it in your brain and then you
forget about it and then it happens, and sometimes it doesn't.
And when it doesn't happen, you think about why it
didn't happen, because sometimes what you want is not what
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you need. Yes, for example, I did a lot of
spells becuts. I wanted a tenure and I teached university
for seven years and I wanted tenure, and I was like,
this is what I want. I'll have a steady job,
steady income and everything. And I didn't get the job.
Had I got in the job, I wouldn't have a
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podcast and I wouldn't be doing exactly what I love.
And that's why it didn't happen. Magical thoughts, right of
fortune is always turning, So when you're down you need
to learn. When you're up, you need to be happy,
and you know, give that happiness to everybody else. And
it's always turning. So this is what magic teaches you.
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But if they want to start, I would say weaker,
just go straight to chaos magic. I mean, you can
find the chaos magic books online and start doing siegels
and then for noses and chaos. Magic is the orgasm.
That's the main way humans. We have it in us
to have that little blink into noses into the universe.
That's why we feel like, oh, we understand everything is
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going to be fine. So in that moment, you can
skip the two hours of meditation or of chanting to
Kutulu the god, and just go straight to an orgasm
with your symbol and you're done. Okaya. Weaker what's weaker again?
Weaka is the It's basically like a more modern take
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on witchcraft. So it started in the UK weak as
a form of paganism, religion or way of life. So
it's very weakened. It's very rich graffiti. You know, you
go to the forest or the outside, it's Mother Earth,
it's the nature, spirits, the fae and you know, just
being one with nature. Oh I like that. You say
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we shouldn't be scared, you know for the listeners. Here
tell us why, because in my mind I feel like, exister,
there's black magic and white magic. It just depends on
your intention. Yeah, it's actually there's just magic. It's a tool.
Just like there's no good knives and bad knives. A
knife is a knife. Defense on the user. Oh that's
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a good way to look at it. Okay. You can
cook food or commit a crime, and with magic is
the same thing. Magic is a tool. Magic is it's
something very simple, is that your will becomes reality. That's it.
So if your will is to do harm, that's why
you would call magic. But technically it's just magic, I see. Okay,
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So for instance, let's just put this, you know, because
I love to light candles and stuff like that. So
I feel like when I light a candle, I put
good intentions. You know, I speak to the universe, I
speak to God, and like put all my intentions to
this candle that the same person or another person can
get the same candle and ma and know. Yeah, that's
what magic teaches us. We create the world around us.
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It starts in here in our brain and then we
manipulated with words. What we are doing right now, it's magic. Ideas.
I'm putting them into words. I'm moving the air waves,
they're getting into a microphone, and I'm putting my ideas
into your head. That's magic. That's why every like magic
or and everything, there's words, and there's rhymes and there's poetry,
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right you know, as I'm having this conversation. I'm learning
so much. I mean, things that I feel like I've
known intuitively, but I just don't know how to put
it in words like you do you know what I mean?
Because I have a vision board. I believe so much
in vision boards, and I feel like it's just I
say it like it's like magic. It happens like you
just said, it's believing it, having faith and doing something
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every single day to make that a possibility, and not
just sit there and be like, you know what I mean,
Like everybody would have a Ferrari say. You know, they say,
are you yeah? And what you're saying is completely true.
It's hard wired into us. Like the first Cave paintings,
they were not just to you know, remember the hunt.
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They were painting a scene that they wanted to happen.
So before going out, they would paint the mamit or
the prey. They would pay themselves doing a a successful hunt,
and it was their way of projecting that into the universe.
Then they would go out, so they were Siegels. And
then when we're kids, when you write the name of
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the person you like and then your name or or
their name, A bunch of times and hearts. You're doing
math infesting that it's Siegel magic. You're trying to manifest
even if nobody has ever told you about this, it's
hardwired into it. Crazy, Okay, what do you tell people
that don't believe? Like, have you ever gotten someone? What
do you tell people all the time? And I tell
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them like, I can't convince you, But as an example,
I always use my because now I have a second corgy.
My first kergy passed away like two years ago, and
then I made a Sigel and I got another corgy
adopted again. So I always tell people, like, just explain
the odds of me in Sulaquais, where there's like, I
don't know, twenty corgis in the whole city of me
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getting two of them adopted. And even if you don't
believe it was with magic, I made magic and I
got what I wanted. So what's the difference if you're saying, like, oh,
it's just good luck or it's probability, and like, that's
exactly what magic is probability. And I choose to look
at this as a magical aspect of something I did.
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And what I tell people is, even if you don't
believe in it at least try to have like a
magical brain. Magic is everywhere. Wonder at eclipses are how
plants grow, at the little coincidences in life. If you
can always look at that with wonder, you will always
have an open mind and open brain. You'll be happier,
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You'll you'll be more empathetic other people. Now, do you
feel that magic is somewhat similar to religion or I
feel like they kind of intertwined in a way. No, Well,
religion has magical attributes and rituals like for example, the
We're called or in church, like repeating the psalms over
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and over. Those are pagan magical practices used to change
the brain. But in religion they use it towards a
god or one thing. In magic, you're the one doing
the thing. There are no gods that are that gave
you something or did not give anything. It's you and
the universe and whatever you do is on you, and
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whatever doesn't happen, it just didn't happen. You're responsible for everything.
So that's the main difference. Like even in Wika they
believe in the goddess. There's energy and everything has a
male or female energy and it's not about man and women.
It's just opposites. Everything's black, white, fire, darkness, and all
of these energies are there and you interact with them,
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but they won't judge you. They will not send you
to hell, and you can ask for a favor, but
it's so you can help yourself. Like what I was
telling you with Joker or the archangel Michael. Yeah, they're
just figures. So it's not really a religion in the
sense that there's a God and there's all these rules
and if you break them, he's going to punish you, right,
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I know. And that's what I feel like religion has done,
or what my personal experience is in still so much
fear that you just it's hard for you to even
grow to your full potential because you're so damn scared,
you know what I mean. But that you're talking about,
I'm like, okay, Like I've seen a lot of people
have their San Julita's, you know, and like what you're
talking about Archangel Michael and stuff, it's San st Judas
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you guys. It represents money, no, like abundance and prosperity.
So it's kind of like what you believe in. Its
like without you even knowing it's not really the statue
that you may have is kind of what I'm taking
right now. It's you putting in that intention of nicoso,
I'm gonna do well, and you're calling that you're actually
creating the magic yourself. Anyways, I have another question exorcisms.
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What do you think about that? Okay, so exorcisms are weird.
First of all, there's no really good documented case of
an exorcistem that wasn't just a mental health issue that
was handled horribly because they a lot of them have
ended in death. And you know, in that as we
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talked about a lot of exporcism cases and they can
all be explained with just folklore and religious people going
into the exorcism instead of going to a doctor or
a psychiatrist. So I do think some people sometimes feel
like they're not in control. I do not believe like
it's demons, because if we if we talk about demons
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with exorcisms, then we must assume there's only the Christian
God and his demon right, because you have exorcisms in
other cultures, but they're not demons. Sometimes they are evil
spirits or their gin, or they're just bad frequencies. The
one thing that bugs me is if there was really
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proof of an exorcism, the church should just make a
video of that and then show it to people, and
that would get everybody converted improve that they are the
one true religion, right and any really religion could do
this because that would make people believe, and they've never
done this. I know people have felt they're possessed or
they are differently, but I think it's more mental health
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until I see further proof. M all right, yeah, because
I mean I'm telling you my family's Christian, and I
don't consider myself Christian. I respect our religions, you know,
so my spirit you know, but I do feel like
it's it's therapy and meditation and prayer and doing something
every single day for your mental health will prevent a
lot of things. And I feel like I've proven it
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myself because I once like I don't know I can
two thousand nine, I felt like something evil was. I
didn't know how else to explain it because I was
just barely being like enlightened with my spirituality, and I
just said, well, I feel like something evil is lurking
in my body, Like something's going on that's when I came,
someone told me you should meditate, and I looked into
it and everything, and ever since I've done that, I
feel like, oh, it's all starts in the mind. It
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starts with one thought and it just starts growing and growing.
It's a snowball effect and you just have to unwind that.
And really almost said like unwind your body and your
mind every single day, and for me it's helped so much. Melit.
I do the same, Like every morning, I grabbed a
glass of water when I wake up, and I go
outside and I just drink my glass of water without
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cell phones, nothing, just me and my thoughts alone. And
that's I think that's enough. If people don't want to
spend like fifteen minutes to meditate for fifteen minutes, just
try that. Do I like that? Because you see me
and I have my water every morning and that's the
first the first hour of my morning, nothing but water.
And I feel like I'm just kind of watering my plant,
which is me, so I can grow. And sometimes it
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is harder to meditate than other day. Sometimes like I
can't concentrate. So I'm gonna try that to just go
outside and be with my thoughts. I like that. But
have you ever played the Wiji board? Oh yeah, a
bunch of times. Oh really, okay, I've never tried it.
Net that I get a little bit scared. I'm like, okay,
but explain to me a little bit more because I'm
a little intrigued about that. Yeah. So, yeah, people are
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really scared of it, and it's you shouldn't be. It's
actually funny because the wiki board, as we know it,
it's called out dividing board. So there were a lot
of them, a lot of models before we got to
the well known one with the alpha bit and the
plan chet, which is a little thing that moves. So
they had ones with the plantchett had a little pencil
and it will write the words. And like in the
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eighteenth century, when spiritualism was a thing, families would get
together and play the Wigi board. This was not about
devils or demons or anything. Was talking to the dead
or to something that we don't know what it is
and getting answers. Then the church got ahold of it
and they're like, no, this is from the devil and
blah blah, and everybody started fearing it. My theory might
take on the Wigi board is that I think there's
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this whole collective consciousness around the world. We're all connected
consciously then, and you can go to the human residence,
which is this frequency that surrounds the earth that's like
seven point six and point eight hurts, which is about
the hurts we get in our brains when we're meditating.
So everybody's thoughts ideas our consciousness is connected that way,
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and not just humans, animals too. So I think the
Wigi board is just one way of connecting to the
frequency where you can get somebody's else's consciousness frequency intelligence,
and then by micro movements in our muscles, it'll start
moving the plan chet. So you use your body as
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like an antenna and you're grabbing onto radio waves let's
call them that. Okay, okay, okay, So it is for
sure from someone that has past obviously you can't, is all.
I mean. They've done experiments with rats where they'll teach
them how to navigate a maze, and then the same
species of rats like this was in Australia and the
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other sunday in the USA, and they'll learn immediately how
to navigate the mace. Once part of them know about it,
they're connected. So I think humans have the same thing.
I can't say for sure if it's dead people or
or people that are all alive, or just the information
of centuries of human consciousness and animal consciousness that you
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tap into and then re produce on the board. But
I am sure there's nothing evil about it. But I
do tell people when they ask me, I say two things,
because they're always like, I want to play, but I'm curious.
I'm just like, look, first, the worst thing that could
happen is that it won't move. Usually, you won't be
in the mood, and it just nothing will happen. And
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and the second thing is do the goodbye thing. You
know they always tell you, like, do say goodbye. And
this is not because something bad will happen, but this
is because if something whatever happens the next day, you know,
your car battery runs out, you'll probably think to yourself, Oh,
that's because I didn't say goodbye on Luigi board, And
then you'll yeah, you're gonna salotaze yourself and just for
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peace of mind to do it, but you don't have to. Yeah,
let's get into goes real quick. I know we talked
about them a little bit, but look at it. Okay,
I thought on my bed and was breathing in my ear.
Is that a quote unquote ghost or is that a spirit?
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Or what do what do we call that exactly? I
mean because I know that I experienced it. I felt yeah,
and I believe you and I've I've had a bunch
of experiences, and I think we need to look at
them as depending on the case. If you call it
a ghost, it kinda forces you to believe that there's
life after death and then there's a person stuck between
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this world and the other. So that's hard to prove,
but we do know that there's a bunch of different
types of paranormal activity types. For example, when things move
around the house and then glasses fly away, usually that's
called a poltergeist or a noisy ghost. So polter geist
what's been discovered now in parapsychology. It's it's it's usually
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cast by somebody in the house, and it's usually a
teenager and it's basically just telekinesis. That's it's and they
don't know they're doing it. So let's say the hormones
h twelve year girl with hormones gets mad at her
mom and she's like het, your mom leaves the room
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and then the plate goes flying out of the room.
Though that was the girl doing it, not a ghost.
And that's why usually in that kind of situation, they'll
move to another home and the ghost will follow them,
quote unquote, it's not the ghost following them, it's the
kid still has this telekinesis said that she doesn't know
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or he doesn't know about it, and when they grow up,
it'll just end. And and that's what happens with potogonst
they just stopped. Now. In your case, for example, that
sounds more like what they call our residual kind of
energy or residual ghost or apparition. Because there's this theory
called the stone tape theory. So energy is energy, right,
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and everything around us is absorbing our thoughts and our
emotions and everything. So when I don't know the weather
and the atmospheric pressure and all things are perfect, this
like a hologram of a person will appear and it
will move around the house, it'll sit on the bed.
It's not conscious, it's not actually thinking about what it's doing.
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It's just like a recording that keeps moving around. Yeah,
and then you have the rarest kind, which is like
the intelligent kind of apparition where you can ask it
like can you open the door and it will open it,
or move something and it will move it and it'll
actually communicating a way with you. So depending on the case,
you need to look at all of the factors around
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it to determine what what it could be. Of course,
first you need to determine that it's not you know,
an old pipe or a mouse in the wall, but
like something sitting on your bed. That's that's I mean,
that's obviously something was there, and by the looks of it,
it's kind of residual. It may be touched you because
it's moving around. Actually, it's really coming that people start
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having a hunting in their house when they remodel, because
you're moving the energy. No, not just the energy. Also
you're putting out stuff. Let's say they're are a ghost
walk through part of the house. You've never even noticed it,
but now there's a glass plate there, So now that
energy is gonna hit against that and you're gonna you're
gonna hear it. And it's not that it's hunting you.
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It's always been just moving there like a recording, but
now it has something to interact with that makes sense.
So yeah, it's really interesting that the whole case in
parapsychology and the paranormal and paran natural I think it's
something that science needs to look more into. Yeah, absolutely,
it makes a lot of sense. And now that we're
on this topic, before we close, what's been the craziest
thing that you've experienced? You know, something you know paranormal? Well,
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super quick. It was in the middle in the middle
of the forest here in Chihuahua, and we were in
a cabin and we were in the attic, me and
my friend, and you could see like just beyond the
bed and the rest was just dark, and something started
walking right in the dark, and then it started walking
towards the bed. We put the sheets on our faces.
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It walked to my side of the bed and then
to my friend's side of the bed. We could hear
it perfectly, and then we were laughing. We were so
scared that we were laughing. And then the attic door
opens and it's my friend's dad and he's like, stopped
walking over there, You're you're not letting us sleep because
they were sleeping on the house and we were like, oh,
ship they heard it too. It wasn't just us imagining
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these steps. That was one, but the truly creepiest one.
We went to a house that I had an next
girlfriend who was studying psychology and the teacher rented a
house where they would do with their practices and everything,
and it was super hunted. But like good psychologists, they
tried to deny it, deny it until they just couldn't.
Like doors would open, the patients were here, it, things
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would disappear. It was just weird. So one day they
finally said, okay, you can come investigate, because I was like,
let me go investigate. So we were there. Nothing happens.
Most of the timing goes hunting situations, nothing happens. But
this time we were outside. We were always ready to go,
and we hear our rockets like something broke inside. We
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run inside and there was like three doors to the
left side of the house. There was this this hallway
and I had this like well scientific method as much
as you can call it, that you would open a
door and then we would close it and then check it.
This was so because a door, an open door can
move because of air currents or something, but a closed door,
if it opens, it's harder to explain it. So we
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do that. On the first door, which was a room
with more activity and nothing, take pictures. Nothing close closed,
second door, nothing close. When we were getting to the
third door, the knob on the first door starts moving like.
We turned around and four of us ade like until
the door opened like somebody kicked it and slammed like
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three times and stopped. We went over there. We took pictures. Yeah,
and then wait, it gets reap here. We took pictures.
Those were the only pictures with orbs. I mean, orbs
can sometimes be insects, but these were weirder. So that happens.
We were outside. We were talking about like, okay, everybody
tell her being exactly what you saw, and then this
was just deduction. I looked down and there was this
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big tree where we would hang out, and it was dead,
and all the trees around the next properties they were alive.
And then right next to the tree there was this
big patch without grass. So I started thinking and just
you know, logical resitting, and I like, I think they
buried something here. They hit the roots and that killed
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the tree and that's it. We went home. I told
my girlfriend what happened, and I told her about my
theory with the tree. Three days go by and the
teacher calls me, like at ten pm and she's like,
get over here. Things are just the worst. I want
you to dig. We start digging, and then I don't know,
after two ft I started getting pieces of like bad cheats.
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I remember it even had the J. C. Penny tag
on it, and then pieces of a black plastic bag,
but the thick ones, and then like three feet in,
I pull like this much hair, like a clump of hair, yeah,
like fifteen inches long, and like my finger thick of
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that clump. I pull it there and that's where the
teacher went like put that back in. Stop digging. I
don't want to know anything else anything, And we left
it like that, and that's how still there. I don't
know if she ever called the cops. I don't know
what happened, but that was That story is still with
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me till this day. That's crazy because you're you know,
I guess as we know. I don't know. I mean,
I haven't had an experience in a while, but I
was just curious. Yeah, but there is something A friend
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of mine wanted me to do it with her, I
believe we were in duloom a yahuasca. Yahuasca, I've never
tried it. I'm kind of curious, to be honest, But
what happens when you do that? Do you know about that? Yes,
I've done it four times. Oh nice, okay, perfect, okay,
so tell me. Yeah, So a yahuasca is really cool.
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What it has, it's a mixture of plants, but the main,
the active ingredient is DMPT, So our brain produces d
MT naturally. When you dream, your brain makes that tiny
bit of DMPT. And what they say is that when
you we're born and you you cry in the first
time you were awake after the womb, that's like the
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brain shoots you up with DMPT, and they believe that's
the same that happens when you die. Your brain shoots
you up with d MT and sends you into an
eternal dream. So with a yaguasca, you get this shot
of DMT, which basic clean makes your brain see the
matrix that makes the universe. You see the sales and plants,
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you see things reading, you understand yourself. You can go
inside yourself and actually literally see yourself inside yourself and
just become one with the universe because you're during this
dream state, but you're awake. What I do really recommend
if anybody wants to try it, is they do it
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in a safe space with as few people as possible
and with somebody that knows what he's doing so they
can guide you. And you will throw up. I know,
I heard about that. My friends said she threw up horribly,
but then the days after she felt better, she felt lighter.
Like in one session a girl had just lost her
father and in one session she she was crying for
(35:50):
hours and then laughing and everything, and she was done.
She just finally she let go. She was mourning for
like nine months, and with one session she was able
to let go. Oh wow, thank you so much for
being on the podcast. I learned so much. Again, I
apologize for all my questions, but thank you for answering them.
You were awesome. And before you go, please share your
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them to known. Thanks. So you can find me or
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and the first season is done. You want to know
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Thank you Antonio so much and everyone listening. You know
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The quote is we've all got both light and dark
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I grew up with no, ghosts don't exists, that's all
in your head. But I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait,
I'm not crazy. I know that I'm feeling something, I'm
hearing something. Magic is something very simple, is that your
will becomes reality if your will is to do harm.
That's why you would call black magic, but technically it's
just magic. What's been the craziest thing that you've experienced?
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Something you know, paranormal? Yeah, hello, and welcome to Chickens
and Chill. It's your girl, cheek Ease and damn. Do
we have an episode for you today. It's about all
(00:46):
things paranormal. I'm talking about ghosts, magic and everything in between.
So why wait, let's get into it. This is chick
Ease and Chill. My guest today's Hose Antonio. He's a
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comedian influencer and the host of two very popular podcasts,
Leadarias and Secret That, which is part of my Family.
I can go on and on about how great these
two podcasts are, but let's introduce our guests. Jos Antonio.
Welcome to Chickens and Chill. How are you going with stars?
I'm great, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you
(01:27):
for having me. Of course, I'm so excited to talk
to you. Have so many questions. Okay, f y I okay, perfect, awesome.
So first of all, tell me about your podcasts. Of course, Well,
let you know, Lecandadia's was a little side project we
started about to crime, the paranormal, and uh well just
(01:49):
strange history, but with comedy, you know, because we're all comedians.
On my part, I wanted to do all of these
things but with good research because in Mexico, you know,
like everything about like your own now or scary stuff.
They're always trying to scare you, like oh it's Toby
and and I wanted to do this like seriously as
(02:09):
in the real where the research comes in, but have
fun with it and joke about it. Into crime and
you know, make fun of the serial killers because I
think that's important that we put them down because sometimes
they become like heroes. And I speak a lot about
magic and uh like chaos magic. So from there, people
wanted to know more, right, so I came up with
(02:31):
another podcast called The Secret School. So the Secret Schools there,
they are really old schools from thousands of years ago
where they would teach you about the occult and the
esoteric science and all of the stuff. And so what
I did is from legendas. I did this little podcast
for everybody that was interested in just the magic part
(02:51):
and everything. And that's why I went full in, you know,
into magic, what it is, what it actually is, and
uh rational Satan, some weak witchcraft and just the left
hand Path, all of these things that people because of
fear and folklore and everything, they get it wrong, yes,
and they're scared of it when all of these things
(03:12):
are made to enlighten us and to make us better
persons inside, right, I like that word enlighten us. But okay,
it's it's absolutely true. I grew up with you know, no,
ghosts don't exists. Um, that's all in your head. But
I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait, I'm not crazy.
I know that I'm feeling something, I'm hearing something, and
then they want to get scared about it, and I
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don't feel like I'm scared. I'm like, okay, it's okay.
Like sometimes in my old house when we lived nor
up the Inland Empire, I would hear things in my room.
My door would open. The door was super heavy there
was no wind, so it would just open at night
and it would make that little screechy noise like right,
And then I would tell my mom like, mom, my
door opens in the middle of the night. She's like, no,
that loca, You're crazy, there's no way. I was like, okay.
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And then one night I was laying in bed, awake, okay,
completely away. I was on the phone and on my
left leg I felt someone like, you know how, like
when someone gets on the bed, it sinks, the bed sinks.
So that happened in my foot when I felt it,
like they were crawling on my bed, and I was like,
(04:17):
I yelled, and I was like, Mom, something's going on again.
You're crazy. That's all in your mind. It's your conscience.
You told me I'll never forget h exactly, and I
was like, mom, No. Then one time I was asleep,
this is a true story. I was asleep and in
the same room I hear like a little I felt
(04:40):
it on my right and I heard it and it
woke me up, and I was like, what the F
I told my mom again lo mism. But literally a
week later, a lady from across the street came over.
We had moved into the house, like I don't know,
like six months before and she said, how, I just
want to introduce myself. Um, I see you guys moved in.
Do you guys know the history about the house. And
I'm like, know what history. She's like, oh, well, actually
(05:03):
the person that owned this house, that built this house
years ago, he actually committed suicide. And I'm like, no way.
They're like, oh, they didn't disclose that information to you.
I'm like no, because there's opposed to They're supposed to
tell you what happened and then depending on the state,
depending on Yeah, depending on the state too, so they didn't.
And anyways, she told me that it was in my bedroom,
(05:23):
that he committed suicide in my bedroom. So I was like, mom, say,
I'm not crazy. So yeah, So anyways, that's just my
little story. But I believe that's a residual thing. And
exactly that's why I tell people all the time, like
the phenomena is real. I'm adamant about this. It's real,
but we just don't understand it. So we've tried to
explain it with religion and fear and folklore instead of
(05:46):
trying to look at it from a scientific point. So
I think we should look at this phenomena as, yeah,
it exists. It's happened to me too, Like I something
pulled my leg in bed. Yeah, something pulled my leg.
I woke up and my leg was up in the
air and I couldn't move. And I know they say,
like in let and sciences, like it's because your brain
(06:08):
woke up but your body didn't. And that's like, well,
that's maybe why you can't move. But how can you
explain my dog going crazy barking at something that was there?
And my dog was like super calm, Corgy never did that.
She was on my chest and then like jumping around
the bed like something was trying to grab her. And
then four days after that she wouldn't go near the
(06:29):
closet because I heard it like calm down. I couldn't
see it. I just felt it, and my dog followed
it too, and it went into the closet, and for
days my dog would not go near the closet. So
how can you explain that something happened there? And that's
a big the big conundrum with paranormal stuff. If the
proof is really good, people are gonna say it's fake.
(06:51):
If the proof is not good enough, they're gonna say,
why don't you have a good camera. Unless somebody experiences
something for themselves, you will not be able to convince
them if they don't want to. But us that has
had things happened to them, we know without a doubt
that the phenomena is real, absolutely, And and because of
that experience, is that why you got into the paranormal
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or was it something before? Oh, I was born with it,
since I was a kid, Like in kindergarten, they made
us make some drawings and the teachers like, what's that?
And that's a purple monster. My mom has no idea
where I got the word monster from why I was
drawing monsters? And I think and I've always had an
obsession with the paranormal and the supernatural and all of these.
(07:33):
And then as I got older, I started getting into
weaker and magic. My master's degree was in creative sciences
and how to use the occult as a creative process,
so I got even deeper into the actual teachings of
the other tracks. I've been doing this for like twenty
five years, and now it's I've started to talk about that,
you know, everything I've learned on this podcast, so people
(07:54):
will stop fearing it and start looking at it more.
That's how it should be. Seeing. The esoteric arts and
the occult arts are trying to explain the world that
science is just barely trying to touch. Like quantum physics.
This has been described with other words, of course, since
thousands of years ago in esoteric texts. They just had
(08:15):
other words for it, and noother how consciousness affects, you know,
the quantum, molecules and everything, entanglement, all of these things.
So science is just catching up, proving it, putting words
in it. But we know all of this is true.
What you tell me about magic, how does that work? Magic?
It's like one, it's the same, it's your will becoming reality.
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And then there's a lot of schools of magic. There's
like hermetic magic, which is incredibly hard, and it's the
classic TV trope magic with the robes and the silver
daggers and these people chanting and everything. So that's one way.
Then there's chaos magic, which is what I practiced the most,
which is basically punk magic or pop magic. Here's the thing,
(09:00):
so it doesn't matter if it's hood or voodoo or
hermetic or everything. Every single school of magic is looking
for one thing, which is called noses. So noses it's
a state of mind where you're not asleep and you're
not awake, like if you wake up in the middle
of the night, and sometimes you'll even get up, go
to the bathroom and drink some water, go to sleep,
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and then you you don't even remember if you did
it or not. That's a state of noses. So every
school of magic find some way to get you to
that point, because that's where then your will can go
over your ego, because our ego is a pragmatic, dogmatic,
materialistic part right, that will go like, no, it's not
(09:41):
gonna happen, but if you're in that state, you can
just project that onto the universe and then it might happen,
it might not, and it does not go against the
rules of physics and it's probabilities. Let's say you want
to win the lottery, but you don't buy a ticket.
So what we need to happen is somebody that you
would have to buy a winning lotter your ticket, then
lose it, and then the air is going to have
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to push it to where you are. The odds of
that happening are astronomic, so you need to work halfway
towards your goal, yes, okay, and then everything will match up.
That's how it works. I would really recommend like Weka
it's a really good practice because it's really spiritual. Or
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just go straight to chaos magic, which is basically Robert
Anton Wilson. He's the one that figured out like, it
doesn't matter if you're praying to God or Batman or Vishnu.
What matters is that you believe. Yes. Faith is yes.
So when you pray to like, I don't know our
changel Michael, what you're praying to it what he represents.
So if I don't know, you're scared of public speaking,
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you can pray to the Joker or Loki because they
represent somebody that wouldn't be afraid of public speaking. Right.
That's how belief works. So in magic and in chaos magic,
it's just about belief. Just believe that can happen, and
it teaches you a really simple method which is called
sigil's sigil magic, where your turn of phrase, let's say, uh,
I want to have a corgy, which is actually how
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I got my corgy with magic. I found it on
the street and I adopted it. Yeah, and so you
transform your phrase into a symbol and then with noses,
you just put it in your brain and then you
forget about it and then it happens, and sometimes it doesn't.
And when it doesn't happen, you think about why it
didn't happen, because sometimes what you want is not what
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you need. Yes, for example, I did a lot of
spells becuts. I wanted a tenure and I teached university
for seven years and I wanted tenure, and I was like,
this is what I want. I'll have a steady job,
steady income and everything. And I didn't get the job.
Had I got in the job, I wouldn't have a
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podcast and I wouldn't be doing exactly what I love.
And that's why it didn't happen. Magical thoughts, right of
fortune is always turning, So when you're down you need
to learn. When you're up, you need to be happy,
and you know, give that happiness to everybody else. And
it's always turning. So this is what magic teaches you.
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But if they want to start, I would say weaker,
just go straight to chaos magic. I mean, you can
find the chaos magic books online and start doing siegels
and then for noses and chaos. Magic is the orgasm.
That's the main way humans. We have it in us
to have that little blink into noses into the universe.
That's why we feel like, oh, we understand everything is
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going to be fine. So in that moment, you can
skip the two hours of meditation or of chanting to
Kutulu the god, and just go straight to an orgasm
with your symbol and you're done. Okaya. Weaker what's weaker again?
Weaka is the It's basically like a more modern take
(12:54):
on witchcraft. So it started in the UK weak as
a form of paganism, religion or way of life. So
it's very weakened. It's very rich graffiti. You know, you
go to the forest or the outside, it's Mother Earth,
it's the nature, spirits, the fae and you know, just
being one with nature. Oh I like that. You say
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we shouldn't be scared, you know for the listeners. Here
tell us why, because in my mind I feel like, exister,
there's black magic and white magic. It just depends on
your intention. Yeah, it's actually there's just magic. It's a tool.
Just like there's no good knives and bad knives. A
knife is a knife. Defense on the user. Oh that's
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a good way to look at it. Okay. You can
cook food or commit a crime, and with magic is
the same thing. Magic is a tool. Magic is it's
something very simple, is that your will becomes reality. That's it.
So if your will is to do harm, that's why
you would call magic. But technically it's just magic, I see. Okay,
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So for instance, let's just put this, you know, because
I love to light candles and stuff like that. So
I feel like when I light a candle, I put
good intentions. You know, I speak to the universe, I
speak to God, and like put all my intentions to
this candle that the same person or another person can
get the same candle and ma and know. Yeah, that's
what magic teaches us. We create the world around us.
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It starts in here in our brain and then we
manipulated with words. What we are doing right now, it's magic. Ideas.
I'm putting them into words. I'm moving the air waves,
they're getting into a microphone, and I'm putting my ideas
into your head. That's magic. That's why every like magic
or and everything, there's words, and there's rhymes and there's poetry,
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right you know, as I'm having this conversation. I'm learning
so much. I mean, things that I feel like I've
known intuitively, but I just don't know how to put
it in words like you do you know what I mean?
Because I have a vision board. I believe so much
in vision boards, and I feel like it's just I
say it like it's like magic. It happens like you
just said, it's believing it, having faith and doing something
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every single day to make that a possibility, and not
just sit there and be like, you know what I mean,
Like everybody would have a Ferrari say. You know, they say,
are you yeah? And what you're saying is completely true.
It's hard wired into us. Like the first Cave paintings,
they were not just to you know, remember the hunt.
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They were painting a scene that they wanted to happen.
So before going out, they would paint the mamit or
the prey. They would pay themselves doing a a successful hunt,
and it was their way of projecting that into the universe.
Then they would go out, so they were Siegels. And
then when we're kids, when you write the name of
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the person you like and then your name or or
their name, A bunch of times and hearts. You're doing
math infesting that it's Siegel magic. You're trying to manifest
even if nobody has ever told you about this, it's
hardwired into it. Crazy, Okay, what do you tell people
that don't believe? Like, have you ever gotten someone? What
do you tell people all the time? And I tell
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them like, I can't convince you, But as an example,
I always use my because now I have a second corgy.
My first kergy passed away like two years ago, and
then I made a Sigel and I got another corgy
adopted again. So I always tell people, like, just explain
the odds of me in Sulaquais, where there's like, I
don't know, twenty corgis in the whole city of me
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getting two of them adopted. And even if you don't
believe it was with magic, I made magic and I
got what I wanted. So what's the difference if you're saying, like, oh,
it's just good luck or it's probability, and like, that's
exactly what magic is probability. And I choose to look
at this as a magical aspect of something I did.
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And what I tell people is, even if you don't
believe in it at least try to have like a
magical brain. Magic is everywhere. Wonder at eclipses are how
plants grow, at the little coincidences in life. If you
can always look at that with wonder, you will always
have an open mind and open brain. You'll be happier,
(17:19):
You'll you'll be more empathetic other people. Now, do you
feel that magic is somewhat similar to religion or I
feel like they kind of intertwined in a way. No, Well,
religion has magical attributes and rituals like for example, the
We're called or in church, like repeating the psalms over
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and over. Those are pagan magical practices used to change
the brain. But in religion they use it towards a
god or one thing. In magic, you're the one doing
the thing. There are no gods that are that gave
you something or did not give anything. It's you and
the universe and whatever you do is on you, and
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whatever doesn't happen, it just didn't happen. You're responsible for everything.
So that's the main difference. Like even in Wika they
believe in the goddess. There's energy and everything has a
male or female energy and it's not about man and women.
It's just opposites. Everything's black, white, fire, darkness, and all
of these energies are there and you interact with them,
(18:28):
but they won't judge you. They will not send you
to hell, and you can ask for a favor, but
it's so you can help yourself. Like what I was
telling you with Joker or the archangel Michael. Yeah, they're
just figures. So it's not really a religion in the
sense that there's a God and there's all these rules
and if you break them, he's going to punish you, right,
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I know. And that's what I feel like religion has done,
or what my personal experience is in still so much
fear that you just it's hard for you to even
grow to your full potential because you're so damn scared,
you know what I mean. But that you're talking about,
I'm like, okay, Like I've seen a lot of people
have their San Julita's, you know, and like what you're
talking about Archangel Michael and stuff, it's San st Judas
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you guys. It represents money, no, like abundance and prosperity.
So it's kind of like what you believe in. Its
like without you even knowing it's not really the statue
that you may have is kind of what I'm taking
right now. It's you putting in that intention of nicoso,
I'm gonna do well, and you're calling that you're actually
creating the magic yourself. Anyways, I have another question exorcisms.
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What do you think about that? Okay, so exorcisms are weird.
First of all, there's no really good documented case of
an exorcistem that wasn't just a mental health issue that
was handled horribly because they a lot of them have
ended in death. And you know, in that as we
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talked about a lot of exporcism cases and they can
all be explained with just folklore and religious people going
into the exorcism instead of going to a doctor or
a psychiatrist. So I do think some people sometimes feel
like they're not in control. I do not believe like
it's demons, because if we if we talk about demons
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with exorcisms, then we must assume there's only the Christian
God and his demon right, because you have exorcisms in
other cultures, but they're not demons. Sometimes they are evil
spirits or their gin, or they're just bad frequencies. The
one thing that bugs me is if there was really
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proof of an exorcism, the church should just make a
video of that and then show it to people, and
that would get everybody converted improve that they are the
one true religion, right and any really religion could do
this because that would make people believe, and they've never
done this. I know people have felt they're possessed or
they are differently, but I think it's more mental health
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until I see further proof. M all right, yeah, because
I mean I'm telling you my family's Christian, and I
don't consider myself Christian. I respect our religions, you know,
so my spirit you know, but I do feel like
it's it's therapy and meditation and prayer and doing something
every single day for your mental health will prevent a
lot of things. And I feel like I've proven it
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myself because I once like I don't know I can
two thousand nine, I felt like something evil was. I
didn't know how else to explain it because I was
just barely being like enlightened with my spirituality, and I
just said, well, I feel like something evil is lurking
in my body, Like something's going on that's when I came,
someone told me you should meditate, and I looked into
it and everything, and ever since I've done that, I
feel like, oh, it's all starts in the mind. It
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starts with one thought and it just starts growing and growing.
It's a snowball effect and you just have to unwind that.
And really almost said like unwind your body and your
mind every single day, and for me it's helped so much. Melit.
I do the same, Like every morning, I grabbed a
glass of water when I wake up, and I go
outside and I just drink my glass of water without
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cell phones, nothing, just me and my thoughts alone. And
that's I think that's enough. If people don't want to
spend like fifteen minutes to meditate for fifteen minutes, just
try that. Do I like that? Because you see me
and I have my water every morning and that's the
first the first hour of my morning, nothing but water.
And I feel like I'm just kind of watering my plant,
which is me, so I can grow. And sometimes it
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is harder to meditate than other day. Sometimes like I
can't concentrate. So I'm gonna try that to just go
outside and be with my thoughts. I like that. But
have you ever played the Wiji board? Oh yeah, a
bunch of times. Oh really, okay, I've never tried it.
Net that I get a little bit scared. I'm like, okay,
but explain to me a little bit more because I'm
a little intrigued about that. Yeah. So, yeah, people are
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really scared of it, and it's you shouldn't be. It's
actually funny because the wiki board, as we know it,
it's called out dividing board. So there were a lot
of them, a lot of models before we got to
the well known one with the alpha bit and the
plan chet, which is a little thing that moves. So
they had ones with the plantchett had a little pencil
and it will write the words. And like in the
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eighteenth century, when spiritualism was a thing, families would get
together and play the Wigi board. This was not about
devils or demons or anything. Was talking to the dead
or to something that we don't know what it is
and getting answers. Then the church got ahold of it
and they're like, no, this is from the devil and
blah blah, and everybody started fearing it. My theory might
take on the Wigi board is that I think there's
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this whole collective consciousness around the world. We're all connected
consciously then, and you can go to the human residence,
which is this frequency that surrounds the earth that's like
seven point six and point eight hurts, which is about
the hurts we get in our brains when we're meditating.
So everybody's thoughts ideas our consciousness is connected that way,
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and not just humans, animals too. So I think the
Wigi board is just one way of connecting to the
frequency where you can get somebody's else's consciousness frequency intelligence,
and then by micro movements in our muscles, it'll start
moving the plan chet. So you use your body as
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like an antenna and you're grabbing onto radio waves let's
call them that. Okay, okay, okay, So it is for
sure from someone that has past obviously you can't, is all.
I mean. They've done experiments with rats where they'll teach
them how to navigate a maze, and then the same
species of rats like this was in Australia and the
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other sunday in the USA, and they'll learn immediately how
to navigate the mace. Once part of them know about it,
they're connected. So I think humans have the same thing.
I can't say for sure if it's dead people or
or people that are all alive, or just the information
of centuries of human consciousness and animal consciousness that you
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tap into and then re produce on the board. But
I am sure there's nothing evil about it. But I
do tell people when they ask me, I say two things,
because they're always like, I want to play, but I'm curious.
I'm just like, look, first, the worst thing that could
happen is that it won't move. Usually, you won't be
in the mood, and it just nothing will happen. And
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and the second thing is do the goodbye thing. You
know they always tell you, like, do say goodbye. And
this is not because something bad will happen, but this
is because if something whatever happens the next day, you know,
your car battery runs out, you'll probably think to yourself, Oh,
that's because I didn't say goodbye on Luigi board, And
then you'll yeah, you're gonna salotaze yourself and just for
(25:41):
peace of mind to do it, but you don't have to. Yeah,
let's get into goes real quick. I know we talked
about them a little bit, but look at it. Okay,
I thought on my bed and was breathing in my ear.
Is that a quote unquote ghost or is that a spirit?
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Or what do what do we call that exactly? I
mean because I know that I experienced it. I felt yeah,
and I believe you and I've I've had a bunch
of experiences, and I think we need to look at
them as depending on the case. If you call it
a ghost, it kinda forces you to believe that there's
life after death and then there's a person stuck between
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this world and the other. So that's hard to prove,
but we do know that there's a bunch of different
types of paranormal activity types. For example, when things move
around the house and then glasses fly away, usually that's
called a poltergeist or a noisy ghost. So polter geist
what's been discovered now in parapsychology. It's it's it's usually
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cast by somebody in the house, and it's usually a
teenager and it's basically just telekinesis. That's it's and they
don't know they're doing it. So let's say the hormones
h twelve year girl with hormones gets mad at her
mom and she's like het, your mom leaves the room
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and then the plate goes flying out of the room.
Though that was the girl doing it, not a ghost.
And that's why usually in that kind of situation, they'll
move to another home and the ghost will follow them,
quote unquote, it's not the ghost following them, it's the
kid still has this telekinesis said that she doesn't know
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or he doesn't know about it, and when they grow up,
it'll just end. And and that's what happens with potogonst
they just stopped. Now. In your case, for example, that
sounds more like what they call our residual kind of
energy or residual ghost or apparition. Because there's this theory
called the stone tape theory. So energy is energy, right,
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and everything around us is absorbing our thoughts and our
emotions and everything. So when I don't know the weather
and the atmospheric pressure and all things are perfect, this
like a hologram of a person will appear and it
will move around the house, it'll sit on the bed.
It's not conscious, it's not actually thinking about what it's doing.
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It's just like a recording that keeps moving around. Yeah,
and then you have the rarest kind, which is like
the intelligent kind of apparition where you can ask it
like can you open the door and it will open it,
or move something and it will move it and it'll
actually communicating a way with you. So depending on the case,
you need to look at all of the factors around
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it to determine what what it could be. Of course,
first you need to determine that it's not you know,
an old pipe or a mouse in the wall, but
like something sitting on your bed. That's that's I mean,
that's obviously something was there, and by the looks of it,
it's kind of residual. It may be touched you because
it's moving around. Actually, it's really coming that people start
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having a hunting in their house when they remodel, because
you're moving the energy. No, not just the energy. Also
you're putting out stuff. Let's say they're are a ghost
walk through part of the house. You've never even noticed it,
but now there's a glass plate there, So now that
energy is gonna hit against that and you're gonna you're
gonna hear it. And it's not that it's hunting you.
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It's always been just moving there like a recording, but
now it has something to interact with that makes sense.
So yeah, it's really interesting that the whole case in
parapsychology and the paranormal and paran natural I think it's
something that science needs to look more into. Yeah, absolutely,
it makes a lot of sense. And now that we're
on this topic, before we close, what's been the craziest
thing that you've experienced? You know, something you know paranormal? Well,
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super quick. It was in the middle in the middle
of the forest here in Chihuahua, and we were in
a cabin and we were in the attic, me and
my friend, and you could see like just beyond the
bed and the rest was just dark, and something started
walking right in the dark, and then it started walking
towards the bed. We put the sheets on our faces.
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It walked to my side of the bed and then
to my friend's side of the bed. We could hear
it perfectly, and then we were laughing. We were so
scared that we were laughing. And then the attic door
opens and it's my friend's dad and he's like, stopped
walking over there, You're you're not letting us sleep because
they were sleeping on the house and we were like, oh,
ship they heard it too. It wasn't just us imagining
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these steps. That was one, but the truly creepiest one.
We went to a house that I had an next
girlfriend who was studying psychology and the teacher rented a
house where they would do with their practices and everything,
and it was super hunted. But like good psychologists, they
tried to deny it, deny it until they just couldn't.
Like doors would open, the patients were here, it, things
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would disappear. It was just weird. So one day they
finally said, okay, you can come investigate, because I was like,
let me go investigate. So we were there. Nothing happens.
Most of the timing goes hunting situations, nothing happens. But
this time we were outside. We were always ready to go,
and we hear our rockets like something broke inside. We
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run inside and there was like three doors to the
left side of the house. There was this this hallway
and I had this like well scientific method as much
as you can call it, that you would open a
door and then we would close it and then check it.
This was so because a door, an open door can
move because of air currents or something, but a closed door,
if it opens, it's harder to explain it. So we
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do that. On the first door, which was a room
with more activity and nothing, take pictures. Nothing close closed,
second door, nothing close. When we were getting to the
third door, the knob on the first door starts moving like.
We turned around and four of us ade like until
the door opened like somebody kicked it and slammed like
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three times and stopped. We went over there. We took pictures. Yeah,
and then wait, it gets reap here. We took pictures.
Those were the only pictures with orbs. I mean, orbs
can sometimes be insects, but these were weirder. So that happens.
We were outside. We were talking about like, okay, everybody
tell her being exactly what you saw, and then this
was just deduction. I looked down and there was this
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big tree where we would hang out, and it was dead,
and all the trees around the next properties they were alive.
And then right next to the tree there was this
big patch without grass. So I started thinking and just
you know, logical resitting, and I like, I think they
buried something here. They hit the roots and that killed
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the tree and that's it. We went home. I told
my girlfriend what happened, and I told her about my
theory with the tree. Three days go by and the
teacher calls me, like at ten pm and she's like,
get over here. Things are just the worst. I want
you to dig. We start digging, and then I don't know,
after two ft I started getting pieces of like bad cheats.
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I remember it even had the J. C. Penny tag
on it, and then pieces of a black plastic bag,
but the thick ones, and then like three feet in,
I pull like this much hair, like a clump of hair, yeah,
like fifteen inches long, and like my finger thick of
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that clump. I pull it there and that's where the
teacher went like put that back in. Stop digging. I
don't want to know anything else anything, And we left
it like that, and that's how still there. I don't
know if she ever called the cops. I don't know
what happened, but that was That story is still with
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me till this day. That's crazy because you're you know,
I guess as we know. I don't know. I mean,
I haven't had an experience in a while, but I
was just curious. Yeah, but there is something A friend
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of mine wanted me to do it with her, I
believe we were in duloom a yahuasca. Yahuasca, I've never
tried it. I'm kind of curious, to be honest, But
what happens when you do that? Do you know about that? Yes,
I've done it four times. Oh nice, okay, perfect, okay,
so tell me. Yeah, So a yahuasca is really cool.
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What it has, it's a mixture of plants, but the main,
the active ingredient is DMPT, So our brain produces d
MT naturally. When you dream, your brain makes that tiny
bit of DMPT. And what they say is that when
you we're born and you you cry in the first
time you were awake after the womb, that's like the
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brain shoots you up with DMPT, and they believe that's
the same that happens when you die. Your brain shoots
you up with d MT and sends you into an
eternal dream. So with a yaguasca, you get this shot
of DMT, which basic clean makes your brain see the
matrix that makes the universe. You see the sales and plants,
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you see things reading, you understand yourself. You can go
inside yourself and actually literally see yourself inside yourself and
just become one with the universe because you're during this
dream state, but you're awake. What I do really recommend
if anybody wants to try it, is they do it
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in a safe space with as few people as possible
and with somebody that knows what he's doing so they
can guide you. And you will throw up. I know,
I heard about that. My friends said she threw up horribly,
but then the days after she felt better, she felt lighter.
Like in one session a girl had just lost her
father and in one session she she was crying for
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hours and then laughing and everything, and she was done.
She just finally she let go. She was mourning for
like nine months, and with one session she was able
to let go. Oh wow, thank you so much for
being on the podcast. I learned so much. Again, I
apologize for all my questions, but thank you for answering them.
You were awesome. And before you go, please share your
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socials your podcast. Tell people anything and everything you want
them to known. Thanks. So you can find me or
like and you can listen to Legendar Legend Darius on
any podcast place that you hear a podcast also YouTube,
and the first season is done. You want to know
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about magic, that's where you go, perfect, perfect, Thank you guys,
Thank you Antonio so much and everyone listening. You know
that we always end with a quote motivational quotes Akiles Van.
The quote is we've all got both light and dark
inside us. What matters is the part we choose to
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act on. That's who we really are. There you go.
Thank you guys so much for listening. Yes and checks
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