Dark Becomes Light: Episode 64: One Big Spooky Story

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much detail as you would like, because I'm telling you
it really helps to paint a picture. And boy, oh boy,
is it helpful, because today, you guys aren't for quite

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a treat. Today, I have probably the largest email I
have received since I started this show. Anyways, but I've
had some doozies in the past who would like to
have me read his story here on the air. And
I'm talking about it's probably like six pages something like that,
and uh, and I appreciate it. So we're going to

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have like a full episode really diving deep into this
email that was sent my way and I have not
read it. I'd love to be as surprised as everybody
is when I dive into these things, because it's spontaneous
and it's open and it just kind of feels right
to uh, you know, have honest reactions to the things,

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and uh, who were for a challenge today? I can't wait.
I can't wait. But first I have to tell you guys,
I have joined the app called Clubhouse. Find me on
there at Heidi Hollis, and also join my clubhouse group
which is called Shadow People and hat Man Encounters. This

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is the opportunity to talk to me directly about whatever
it is you're experiencing out there. I get so many
people say, hey, Hi, do you give me a phone call?
Or they try calling me on social media? And I
wish I could just hop right on there to do
that all the time, but it's difficult. I'm one person.
I would love it though, but guess what this platform
allows for that. So if you want to talk to me,

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if you want to chat I mean talking, we can
do it right there. So find me, find my club
and let's do that, all right, And again, don't forget
check out me on a social media I mean everything, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
usually at one Heidi Hollis, but on the clubhouse it

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is just at Heidi Hollis. All right, So we are
going to dive on into this fabulous email. I am
a super duper excited, all right. It starts off Hi Heidi.
First of all, thank you for being the beacon of
light for those of us who have experienced the supernatural,
otherworldly and unexplainable phenomena, and for paving the way. Oh,

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it's really nice of you. Thank you for kicking down
the doors of the naysayers and nonbelievers, creating a platform
for us to come together and share our experiences and
to be taken seriously. I was thrilled to find your
podcast and enjoy listening to the many stories of your
guests and community followers experiences as well as your own
inspirational life story. Wow, thank you so much. That's really

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kind of you. I'm humbled, honestly, I really feel humbled
to have the opportunity to do this, and um, you know,
I would absolutely do this all day long. I just
really do enjoy it, all right, and to continue it
says my life has been greatly influenced and filled with
many supernatural unexplainable phenomena and experiences as well, from prophetic dreams,

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shadow people, guardian angels, demons, a bigfoot to UFOs. Oh
you sound like me. I would like to share three
of these stories and get your thoughts and feedback, as
these three experiences I feel are linked and perhaps tell
an even bigger story. Okay. My earliest recollection of supernatural

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phenomena began when I was four years old, with many
unexplainable occurrences to follow. Throughout my life spanning forty five years,
I have always had a deep feeling of being connected
to another place and existences, a reality or world not tangible,
are able to be seen or experienced by others, a

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place seemingly just on the opposite side of a wall
or in the same room, but through an invisible veil. Oh,
I know what you're talking about. I know what you're
talking about. A veil, if pulled back, would reveal this
world and its inhabitants. Yet unable to find where this
veil begins, A knowing deep down at my core that

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what I felt was true, more true than my experiences
in reality, or just as true as though I have
existed my entire life with one foot in this world
and the other on the other side of the veil.
I think, to decipher this whole story, I'm going to
break in sometimes and just share up. I used to
personally go to bed uh during the daytime because I

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would be interrupted by UH college roommates and whatnot. Because
I would go to sleep and wake up into this
other world that I had a hard time leaving. It
was like two parallel lives and it still is something
I deal with today. So I feel you. It's like
you know where am I. I don't know where I'm at.
Sometimes it's kind of wild, so I I totally feel you, okay,

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and he continues. My earliest recollection of encountering or connecting
with this other world occurred when I was four years old,
in the middle of the night, while I was asleep
in bed. At that age, every night before my parents
would go to bed, either my mom or dad will
come into my room to check on me while I slept,

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perhaps checking to see that I was still breathing, sometimes
kissing me on the forehead. I would always keep my
eyes closed and pretend I was asleep. For some reason,
there was a presence that radiated from them while entering
and being in my room at night, a noticeable difference
in sound and the quietness of the dark room as
energy shifted around the space they occupied. Their presence emitted

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this energy or feeling of warmth and love that would
come over me like a tightly tucked blanket wrapped securely
around me. As a child, I became very familiar with
this energy. The presence of my parents checking on me
in the middle of the night. As this was routine,
and every time I pretended to be asleep, never opening

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my eyes. This one particular night, I awoke suddenly, startled instantly,
sitting up in my bed, looking around my dark room.
Something was different and wrong. I remember feeling a quote presence,
an unfamiliar energy around me. It was not that recognizable

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presence of my parents, warmth and love, I knew. It
felt as though the tightly tucked blanket had been pulled
off of me, along with the security it provided. My
waking eyes trying to adjust with only a little light
coming from under the window from some outside source, objects

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in the room could faintly be recognized in the dark.
Sitting there in my bed, I scanned my dark room,
searching for this presence, with my eyes finally rusting, horrified,
fixated on some foreign object lying next to me in
the bed. Oh gosh, it was a snake. The snake

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was only a few inches from my body, stretched out
about the length of my leg, and it laid there motionless.
It was a very dark black snake with a symbol
on its back, a very bright red B. At the time,
I had not learned the alphabet, so I wasn't familiar

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with what the symbol was called that was on the
snake's back, as I tried to describe to my parents later,
But this for me was some quote clue that would
have profound, significant meaning later in my life. I screamed
like I had never screamed before, only no sound came

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from my mouth. Oh gosh. I was afraid to move
or jump out of the bed, fearing the snake might
attack and bite me. For what felt like hours, I
sat there in bed, eyes never leaving the snake, being
as still as possible, screaming at the top of my
lungs silently. Suddenly, the light came on in my room.

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I took my gaze off of the snake to the
doorway where my dad stood. He had a look on
his face I had never seen before. Bewildered, confused, I
noticed in that instant that I could now hear myself screaming.
My dad trying to calm me down, asking what I

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was screaming about. I frantically told him there was a
snake in my bed. As I looked back down at
my bed where the snake had been, it was gone.
My dad looked under my bed in my sheets, and
the closet all over the room and no snake. After
searching my room from top to bottom, he told me

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to go back to sleep with a frustrated tone. He
told me there was nothing in the room. As he
slammed off the light and went back to his own
room to go back to sleep. Darkness once again filled
my room. I didn't feel the unfamiliar presence or energy
in the room anymore. However, I was confused on where
the snake had gone and why my dad couldn't see it.

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More terrifying for me at that moment was the realization
that my dad did not believe me, and his usual warm,
loving energy had not filled the room. Later that year,
we moved from that apartment to a new house. Growing
up in the new house, the unfamiliar presence that I
had experienced years before with the snake of my bed

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had seemingly followed us to our new home. Being an
only child until about the age of ten, it was
only my mom, dad, and I living in the house
for most of my adolescent years. I grew up in
the late seventies early eighties as what was called a
latch key kid, meaning I would come home alone after

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school until my parents would get home from work, usually
late in the evening. The unfamiliar presences energy would fill
the house in those days, Specifically when I would come
home late, I could feel it all around me in
the house, as though it was watching me from some
scene space, hidden but always present, just behind me or

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around the corner in another room. If my parents were home,
the presence could not be felt. It seemed to stay
hidden out of their consciousness, as behind the veil of
the other world. Strange things would happen in the house
when I was home alone, things I could hear in
other rooms, cabinet door slamming, kitchen sink, faucet turning on

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and off, TV turning on, stereo playing on its own.
At first, thinking my parents were home, I would run
out of my room to greet them, only to find
an empty, quiet, dark house. Horrifically realizing I was still
home alone and that the unfamiliar presence must have been

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what was making all the noises. Terrified of this presence,
I got to the point that I would lock myself
in my room after getting home from school until my
parents would get home, all the while out hearing and
feeling this presence outside of my closed bedroom door. I

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think that's a good spot to end. Well, you know what,
you guys got to hear the rest of the story.
You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi
Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You are listening to

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Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I
Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a AM paranormal podcast network.
As mentioned before the break, we have one gigantic email
that I truly appreciate and it comes from a breakery.
Just so you guys know, I didn't get to mention

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the name, and uh usually it to the new it then.
And I'm reading through this email here for the first
time with all of you, and uh, I'm excited to
see about all of the different elements that I'm commenting
as we go along, because it's a juicy one and uh,
let's continue. On many occasions, my parents would get home

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from work and question me on things like why I
had left the TV on in the living room, or
why left the water running in the kitchen sink, or
why I was leaving doors wide open throughout the house.
It's so disturbing. I would explain to them that it
wasn't me, that I had not left my room, hinting
to them that it must have been someone else or

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a ghost. Through time, I came to understand that the
idea of ghosts to them was ridiculous. It was the
only other person in the house besides them, and there
was never any evidence of anyone else ever coming into
the house. As far as my parents were concerned, I

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was the one leaving the water running. I was the
one leaving the TV and stereo on. I was the
one causing the unexplainable things occurring in the house. My
parents never believe me, no matter how many times I
would tell them it wasn't me. Because of this, I
felt so very isolated and very alone. I know that feeling.

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On most days, the presence would carry on throughout the house,
making noises, slamming doors and such as if it lived there,
that's terrible. Are they paying rent? They shouldn't be there.
That's how I feel. Um. I had grown accustomed to
the presence over the years, and this energy looming in

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the house. As long as I was in my room,
I felt safe. It never entered my room, as though
my room was my sanctuary, my holy ground, and this
pres sense, for some reason wouldn't or couldn't enter. I
totally understand that. I think that sometimes we put that

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barrier out there, but you know, the cracks do show up,
and sometimes we gotta shove our foot a little bit
harder in their direction. Until one night, oh, here it
is already. After several years of it never coming into
my room, Oh no, I got chills. It finally did.
At the age of ten, I had an experience that

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changed my perception of what this unknown presence was, and
I was able to finally identify and give it a name.
Due to a fear of the total darkness at night
when I slept, my mom had placed a night light
in my room, just beside my bed. I have a

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creepy feeling on what this might be, anybody anybody else?
I do. It put out very dull orange light, but
it made me feel a little more secure at night.
I had also developed a habit of sleeping with my
head under the covers at night. This one night, I

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again awoke abruptly feeling a presence, a noticeable difference of
sound and the quietness of the dark room. As energy
shifted around a mass occupying space directly behind me, I
briefly thought it was my mom standing behind me, checking
on me while I slept. Usually, my mom would turn

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on the hall light when she would check on me
at night, and like always, I pretended to be asleep
under the covers. Except this night, I did not see
the usual gleam from the hall light coming through the
thin sheet covering my head. The room was still very dark.
Barely squinting my eyes and seeing only the dim orange

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glow from the night light coming through the sheets, I
could feel this mass shifting closer to me slowly from behind.
Still somewhat asleep groggily from under the covers, I softly
and inquisitively said mom. There was no answer, utter silence

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in the room, other than a faint sound of breathing
coming from the mass behind me. I did not feel
my mom's usual warmth. The energy filling the room was familiar,
yet void of love. It was empty, hollow, hopeful, but unsure,

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thinking maybe it was my dad instead checking on me,
though he rarely did that anymore since the snake incident,
I again said Mom, this time a little louder and
more assertive, but again silence, except for a distinct heavy
breathing getting closer to the back of my covered head.

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Fear immediately set in. Panic gripped my body, feeling as
though the blood pumping through my veins instantly drained from
my body. I can imagine I was now fully awake
and cognizant of the realization that what stood behind me
in the dark was not my mom or my dad.

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Through my squinted eyes, I saw the dim orange glow
from the night light fade away cut off as this
mass a dark shadow move closer, Hovering now just inches
over my covered head. I could feel the pressure of
its deep, heavy breathing on the sheet covering my face.

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I lay there, terrified, rigid, afraid move an incapacitating feeling
I hadn't experienced since I was four years old. When
my mom would check on me through the night, I
would always lay there, still pretending to be asleep. She
would always slowly pull the sheets from my covered head,

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careful not to wake me. She would move her face
across to my forehead. Her presence and energy would feel
light and loving as she would kiss me, softly, comforting
me as she recovered my head and leave the room.
This shadow, looming inches over my covered head was motionless.

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It's breathing slow, controlled. It was as if it wanted
me to believe it was my mom. Oh, that's that
is a game that they play. Anything dark and evil
likes to do that. So you let your guard down,
You let your guard down, and this continues. The energy

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this shadow put off felt dark, heavy, as though it
sensed my fear and enjoyed my terror. I had stopped
being scared of this entity that resided elusively in my
house years ago, believing it could not enter my room
or harm me. Now realizing in that instance it had

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all been a ruse, I gotta say something here too.
I have so many people are like, well, it doesn't
bother me. You know, it's been going on for years,
and you know, I feel this presence. Sure, I've seen
shadow people are hat man, but they don't come here.
They don't bother me, you know, And I'm like, it's
studying you, that's looking for a way in. Trust me.

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They're very patient and uh yeah, I guess not until
people experience that, they don't know what it is that
they're in for. If they don't get rid of it
ahead of time, Okay, to continue, it says. Thoughts of
horrific things this dark shadow is going to do to
me flooded my mind in that moment, feeling more terrified

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of this quote dark presence than I ever had cerebral y.
Knowing exactly who this shadowy, dark, deceiving mass was, I
felt vulnerable, exposed, alone, hopeless, with this dark shadow standing
over me, seemingly mere seconds from ripping the sheets from

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my covered, defenseless body. I remember thinking I would throw
the blankets off and swing wildly at this dark mass
to get away long enough to run to my parents room.
The dark shadow hunched over me perfectly, still, perhaps basking

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in the aroma of fear pheromones I was releasing as
a result of the dread it was causing me. Oh,
I have no doubt at it was doing that, To
be honest, they love that stuff and it's disgusting what
they do. It's breathing still heavy on my face. As
I prayed softly under my breath for God to help me.

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I counted to three with every emotion going through my consciousness,
led mostly by a berserker fear. I threw the covers
from my head. There was nothing. The room was empty,
quiet and dark, with only a faint orange glow coming

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from the night light. The energy in the room had
lifted and once again was normal. The breathing, along with
the dark shadow, was gone. Yeah, they like to play
those games, get you to think and question yourself, like
I just I know something was here, I know something
was here, and then woo nothing like come on, now,

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I know myself and I trust my senses, and then
to have something like that happened, it really just it's
perturbing and disturbing. So I totally understand Gregory, and I
always say trust your gut instincts, all right. To continue.
The unexplainable disturbances in the house ceased over the years,

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though the presence seemed to loom periodically from behind the veil.
Time went on, I got older, became an adult, experiencing
many supernatural things through the years, but nothing that ever
compared to the night the devil stood over me. As
I came to call it, huh until about ten years

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ago when I again was visited in the middle of
the night by a dark, shadowy figure. Mm hmm. This night,
similar to my past experiences of waking to a presence
in the room. I awoke suddenly to a feeling of
someone or something in the room with me, my kindness.

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You know again, I'm just blown away that somebody like yourself, Gregory,
are so aware and so trusting of their experiences. And
uh also, you know what's peculiar as a kid being
such a soft and light sleeper. That's not common. Kids
could sleep through fire alarms because they just have a

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different sleep pattern. So I would say even with that,
there's something to you that is quite different. All right,
I'm going to leave it right there because we're gonna
get to our next break and there's more to come. Guys.
You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
I AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back.

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A welcome back. You are listening to Dark It Comes
Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio
and Coast to Coast I Am Paranormal Podcast Network. As mentioned,
I always love, especially to answer the emails or to

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read the emails and the stories that you guys are
experiencing out there, because this is how we learn. This
that's how we grow and know what everybody's perspective is
and what it is that happens on the privacy of
people's own home. How else will we gather the research,
how else will we know what to look for? And
I'm sure as I read this very well written I

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must give it to you Gregory um email telling about
his life and experiencing stranger things, and so to continue,
He starts with sitting up in my bed, scanning the
room for this presence. From the faint light coming through
the window in the dark room, I saw an even

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darker silhouette of a man. Oh I got I really
got chills, wearing a hat and a trench coat on
the wall next to the closet door, just a few
feet from the edge of my bed. I'm I'm not kidding.
Every time I hear this, this revelation of what's behind it,

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especially if it's hat man, I get angry, I get upset,
I get the chills, I get all of that. It
doesn't change, and it doesn't go away, and it continues.
This shadow was distinctly darker than the darkness of the room,
and the silhouette was defined. His head seemed to stretch

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from the ceiling as though there we go. He was
seven to eight feet tall. Yeah, yeah, that's that's uh,
that's pretty common, believe it or not. I tried clearing
sleep from my eyes, confused, trying to understand what I

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was seeing. This being just stood there, motionless, soundless, seemingly
gazing at me with the deepest intent, even though there
was no distinct facial features were lucky for you because
they're grotesque. It's really really nothing you ever want to experience.

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Trust me, I was not afraid. Okay, I felt nothing
other than curiosity. Now that that's a common common thing,
people do say that I wasn't afraid for some reason,
and some people would even say, well, I felt like
he was protecting me. Perhaps I've heard it all honestly,
Guardian Angel, I'm like, Wow, I don't want my Guardian

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Angel to wear a trench coat and stand in the
darkness staring at me without my permission, with glowing red eyes,
and God forbid if he smiles. He's got the nastiest
teeth you've ever seen on the planet. Sharks have nothing
on hat Man's teeth. He's really got issues. Okay, to continue,
the presence, didn't feel dark or heavy or display any

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negative energy. It felt more like a still, soundless nothingness,
void like. It was like a shadow, but richly darker
in color. Unlike the several shadow figures I had seen
in the past the corner of my eyes, this shadow
did not dart away or make any attempt to flee

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from my awareness of its presence, but rather it just
lingered there, content with looming over me. And I'll tell you,
I'll stop right here. So shadow people, they do tend
to dart out of the way. They don't like to
be spotted because then I don't know, you can defend
yourself right you see him coming, uh, or they may

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even like charge at you, like they one or the other.
They do not like to be spotted there rather weak
hat man m hm. He likes to make sure you
get a good look like he wants that respect and
knowing it's him, it's him again. He wants to be recognized.
He wants it to be known he's out there or

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in there and sticking his fingers in places that he
really shouldn't. And sometimes I'm pretty sure he's able to
project what he wants on people, fool them, make them
feel comfortable, get used to his presence even and uh, yeah,
it's a it's he plays games. He does, he really does. Okay,

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So to continue, it was as though it wanted me
to know it was watching me. Oh how funny you
say the same thing. It seemed as though it had
a secret something it knew that I didn't, and was
entertained that I was not privy to this knowledge. Let's

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see that. What a unique projection, What a unique projection?
Like I got something that you don't. I mean, you
ever see those cartoons where they're sitting there with their
hands covered over something. It's old time cartoons, Like I
got something really cool in here, and everybody wants to
see it. I think it's an old Tom and Cherry
cartoon of seeing that, Like, no, no, it's for me,

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it's for me. Oh gosh, that thinks he plays okay, continuing.
After a couple of minutes of sitting up in my
bed just staring at the shadow, trying to come up
with a rational explanation for what I was seeing, I
turned to look out the bedroom window, thinking maybe I

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would see something interfering with the light coming from a
street light, causing this dark shadow on my wall. When
I turned back to face where the shadow had been.
It was gone. At the time, I was not aware
of the hat man phenomena. Yeah, I know a lot
of people still write me and say, I didn't know.

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This is a thing. I had no idea, And a
lot of people think, oh, it's a topa. It's getting
put out there in the consciousness of people because they
saw it somewhere or unconsciously saw it, and and now
it's manifesting. And I'm like, no, I have people writing
me saying they saw him once forty years ago. Um, so, yeah,
that doesn't fit all right, Continuing, I was only aware

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of shadow figures, which I had seen frequently through my life.
It wasn't until recently that I discovered others had the
same experience, with almost the exact same details of witnessing
this hat man. Yeah. You know, I don't know if
it's always comforting to know others experiences, but I think

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for the most part it is comforting for me. I
look at it as this big whole of oh no,
oh no, this is this is spreading and dangerously so,
and for me seeing this pattern of this spread. Um,

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I was told about a shadow people and hat man
phenomena as being a warning of time of change. Times.
Let's call it that. People say apocalypse, end of the times.
You know, this planet isn't going anywhere. There's old planet okay,
but it recycles itself and things are shifting, and there
are things taking advantage of us unknowing humans. And yeah,

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there are parallel universes, their innerdimensionals and all of that
that are able to peek in, that are able to
do things, and some are quite horrific and quite greedy.
I mean, think of some of the early colonists and
what they did to those who had claimed the land
before or them if they had a bigger weapon and
had a way to cleanse the land of them, they

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sure did try, you know. So, um, I don't think
we're so different from these dark things and negative things
or lower level things try to take advantage and do
what they wish, you know. So it's a shame. But
my goals are trying to make people aware of these
things being out there so they don't get to shoven

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us off or making us feel as if we have
to end ourselves. Yeah. Yeah, these things like to whisper
suicidal things unfortunately to people, um or homicidal things and
other horrific things or things I don't seem as how
can I say, as forceful or awful. It might be

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a little whisper you pay attention to, like open up
the door, huh, and you listen, and then it tries
to encourage other things, bigger things and uh. With every
time you pay attention, with every listening that you give it,
or every bit of attention or energy, it grows and

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it grows in its influence. And it's nothing that you
really want to have. So show it the door, open
it for them, and kick them out. How about that? Okay? Alright? Continuing,
I've experienced many supernatural phenomena throughout my life, but for me,
these three experiences were linked, like the snake, the devil,

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and the hatman. Sharing my experiences with friends and family
through the years, I learned that what I was experiencing
wasn't seen as normal, acceptible, or believable. I've always found
it difficult to really connect with others freely because no
one ever shared or could relate to my same experiences.

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Trust me, I get it. I get it um, and
I love that you're able to see the connection between
these three entities. I always tell people close your eyes
and is it feeling negative or if it feels positive,
then you know, put it in two baskets. Okay, good
goes over here, bad goes over there. And it seems

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to me that these kind of hang in the same gang,
if you will um that. Yeah, if they're over on
that side of the fence, then I would say that
they are not good guys. They do kind of work
with each other, But has there ever been uh solidarity
and a gang of thieves you know or criminals? Now,

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they have selfish needs and wants and things that they
want to do themselves, so there's no harmony, but they
do kind of try to work together in a way
to break a person down, to question who they are,
and to uh I think differently, to vibe at a
different wavelength, anything and everything that could break a person

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in the direction that isolates them, that makes them not
feel as close to their parents, Like hello, your dad
wasn't coming in a check in on you anymore, because
what was he thinking? You know, like, because it's my
kid and he's imagining things. Don't want anything to do
with it. I don't know, you know, but it created
a division and it breaks down people When those divisions form,
it makes them a little bit less stronger. And then

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you know, other things try to move in and to
seem like the comforter, uh, the guardian, Uh, the thing
that you turn to, the thing that you're more familiar with.
I have literally had people tell me how, oh hat
Man stood up for me against my abuse of dad,
or hat Man let me go to sleep, he tucked

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me in. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? And people
they were usually children when this would happen, so they
would try to gain that confidence and uh and kind
of take ownership of him, take the the place of
a missing or absent parrot. Disturbing. All right, We're going

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to get to our next break. There's more to come
you guys. You are listening to Dark that Comes Light
with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and
Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. To around, I'll
be right back, Welcome back. You are listening to Dark

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Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart
Radio and Coast to Coast a am para Normal Podcast Network.
Today we are digging into a massive story in regards
to Gregory's life and dealing with shadow people and hat
Man and the devil himself. You know, your typical paranormal life.

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I mean, come on, when you've been in this field
for a bit, I made I'm like, of course, you know, welcome,
welcome to the club that nobody wants to belong to.
And that's you know, serious and and funny at the
same time, because it is not easy. So um, so
I'm gonna continue here with Gregory's email um to finish
us off and then address any questions if he has

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some here, all right, so continuous, it says, again, an
aspect of my life that's separated from everyone else, secluded alone.
I learned that for me to assimilate in the world,
I had to keep these experiences to myself and not
discuss openly with people. That's another aspect um. Today, more

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and more people are coming forward telling their stories of
supernatural experiences or unexplainable phenomena. It has been a blessed
to find and connect with those through social media who
share my same experiences. A lifetime of knowing this other
world existed and that these other beings were real, but

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never having validation or confirmation through shared experiences to finally
find others who have also lived between that veil of
both worlds, who share many of my same experiences. To
find that validation, to finally not feel alone in this
quest for understanding has been the greatest gift. I hope

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that by sharing part of my story, I can return
that same gift to others. I have always been spiritual,
raised in church, and believed in Jesus and his message.
I don't believe in coincidences. Amen to that, I believe
everything happens for a reason, even being led to this forum,

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Heidi A again, thank you so much for your courage,
for pioneering the way, for being the voice for those
of us that were never heard. Your true blessing and
much appreciated. Gregory. Wow, you know you know it is
uh it's it's emails like that. Honestly, even to just

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get one, it totally makes us all worth it, because
greg I've been right where you're at. Of course, um,
when we go into these fields, it's because we were
trying to find answers and we couldn't find it, and
uh so we we struggled, and and it's like, well, gosh,
if I'm curious about this, others must be curious too,

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and and so suddenly we find ourselves writing the book
we never thought we'd have to write. UM. And you
know it is, Uh, it's a very lonely and isolating
thing to be involved in to any great extent, I mean,
any any sleepless night or something like this. It's it's
not easy, it really isn't. I was fortunate enough that

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I had siblings who had experienced things right alongside of me.
UM and our haunted house I grew up in, UM,
and you know, as horrifying as it was, it was
comforting to know you saw that too. Okay, Okay, yeah,
me too, all right, So I wasn't having to go
to an empty house and sit there alone as you did. UM.

(42:26):
It has happened to me though, and something that you
shared here where UM I believe you might have heard
me talk about here on the show. I thought my
sister was home and she wasn't. Turns out I was
alone and things had come to life and the house
pretty much and just to realize, oh my gosh, I
was alone, really alone. UM. I've been in the situations

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where things like to get you isolated and then it
raised their crazy flag at you. You know, um, and
you know, in college, this is not a top that
you really start discussing with your friends either if you
want to remain within a group, because as a lady,

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a lot of ladies do get more scared than guys,
you know, on these topics. But I don't know, the
field is kind of evening out there now, and I
believe it or not. I learned that about seventy of
those who listen to shows like this are women, So
it's I don't know who my friends are. My goodness.

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It was not easy though, trying to relate, because I
was like, oh, my goodness, I just fart from my
life last night, and I gotta sit here and talk
about makeup. No, I really don't want to. I really
want to tell you what's going on. So but so
it's reassuring to hear that more ladies have stepped into this.
But in college and throughout most of my life, I

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did have those around me who, you know, i'd try
not to share that big part of your life with
us because we just can't handle it. And that's a shame.
And uh, here I am. I'm writing books. I fly
off to go and lecture someplace at times, and or
do a TV show, but I can't talk about these

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things with a lot of people. So I am in
that same boat Gregory. And and yeah, it's a relief
to chat with people still for me online or on
this show, um on the phone, you know, and people
called me on social media all the time. And that's
one of the reasons why I announced please find me
on Clubhouse in my group shadow People and hat Man Encounters.

(44:38):
I'm just putting that out there again because it's important,
because I get it if people want to talk, and
it's needed, it is so needed. It's a shame people
really can't turn to the person that's been at their
side for most of their life, or or that they're
married into. A lot of people can't handle these conversations.
So you know, greg definitely, I should say Gregory definitely.

(45:03):
It's uh, it's it's very helpful that you took the
step forward to allow me to share your story here
on this program. And you know, for a lot of
people are like, well, you you think something was there?
You had a thought you were four years old. I mean,
why would this bother you? Gregory? Oh my goodness. So
many times people have told me I saw something when

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I was a toddler once and hat man destroyed my life.
I mean really seriously, once, just once, and to have
more than that happened to a person, it can really
be uh disabling. I mean, your whole idea of what
this world is made up of, it just gets shaken up.
And then you can't tell anybody, and then you got

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to go to work and pretend you're like everybody else,
and then you got to go to the grocery store,
and then you gotta go home and cut and you
gotta make sure the kids are off to school. You know,
it's and it's like, don't contemplate what happened to you
where you fought for your life or you felt you
were threatened or something from another veil was watching you.

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I am pretty darned certain that we balance between two
different worlds here, if not more. I know that for
myself it has been challenging. It really has been, I
especially more recently starting up again for myself where I
am just like I know, I go to another city

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and it's not a city that I can recognize here
to be on this plane of existence. And I go
to another city and it's not the Crystal city either,
I've talked about that here on the show. Um, that's
a more spiritual place. I'm talking about a real nuts
and bolts city where it's really industrialized and there's a

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lot of people and kind of reminds me of Chicago.
I did live there for a long time. And but
then it's not it's really strange type of place. And
but it's very much like this place. So but people
are just a little bit more cold there, believe it
or not, if you could imagine. Um, So I get it,

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I do. I I go to this this other place.
But then I also, UM have this very very unique
um um how can I say? I don't know if
it's a talent, um happenstance. It's just something that takes
place where I find myself inside of people or next

(47:32):
to them, trying to help them out with something. And
oddly enough, at times these people have found me and
they're like, oh my goodness, who are you. I dreamt
about you. You saved my life, or you help me
with this or that, and and I mean this stuff
started like a long time ago where I'd get these

(47:52):
emails about that and sometimes letters back then. Um, and
you know, I just had a UFO website up that
most people didn't have back then as a website, and
you know, if people would just be like, holy smokes,
how to how the heck? And who the heck? So,
and then these people will send a photo sometime and yeah,
they did look familiar. So I don't know what that is,

(48:16):
not fully, not clearly, but I have now learned. UM.
In the church, the Catholic Church, they call it by location. Again,
that's something that you know, you kind of hear of
these things, but I just I really didn't know. I
really didn't know. So, so what is going on in
this world? Why are we having these types of experiences

(48:38):
where we're able to see things that others don't or
feel things that others don't. I have a good understanding
about why that is for myself now, and it's a
It's something that I've hinted at before here on this
show that I'm going to be exploring further sooner than later. UM.
I am writing several new books right now, and it's

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something I'm exploring that I just never thought i'd be
here talking about UM. But it's something that was brought
up on a few different shows by a journalist that
I know, uh so yeah, I mean, it's so much
to explore in this lifetime. I never ever would have
expected to be the situation that I am. But Gregory,
I'm sure the same as for you. And again, this

(49:22):
is really really helpful that you took this step forward,
uh to try to help people, and I mean I
applaud you when a lot of people really would not.
And I think that again, how do we get the answers?
How do we find out? Is by joining together, by
having these conversations, talking it out and sharing. And again, um,

(49:45):
you know, I welcome anybody to go to my main website,
which is Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot
com and send me your experiences. What is it that's
going on out there? Doesn't always have to be the
dark and horrific things that people have going on. I
cover a lot of topics, um, Jesus encounters and angel encounters,

(50:05):
all of that. I've got books on these topics as well,
and I love when people can recognize we have combining
and conflicting experiences, good and bad, so share those as well,
and again find me on clubhouse, go to my club
on their shadow People and hat Man encounters and that's

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how these conversations. I want to hear what's going on
in your world, and as always, this has been very fascinating.
Thank you again, Gregory for sharing your story and for
everybody that's listening. You have been listening to Dark Becomes
Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio
and Coast to Coast a UM Paranormal podcast Network. We'll

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see you next time. Stay safe, everybody good club. Well,
if you like this of Dark Becomes Light, wait till
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