November 1, 2021 • 56 mins
A crime hits way too close to home for Teddi as her friend and former Housewife co-star Dorit experienced a terrifying home invasion.
Then, it's time to focus on Halloween and the crimes surrounding the holiday.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime.
I'm one of your hosts, Lea Lamar, and we have
with us and our wonderful, beautiful co host Teddy Melancho. Well,
(00:23):
thank you so much for the for the positive intro today.
I'm a little I have to be honest, I'm a
little down in the dumps today. I know, I wanted
to kind of just hop right into this special Halloween
flavored episode flavored just let me live, Let me live.
But I do feel like we have some pressing issues
we should discuss before we go into the Halloween murders.
(00:46):
You mean my day so far? Yeah, that's That's what
I'm talking about so pretty much today, as you know,
we I woke up, it was like a normal day, um,
took the kids and worked out, took the kids to
the bus, and then all of a sudden, I started
getting these text messages from people like is to read okay?
And I'm like, what are you talking about? And then
(01:08):
I saw the the you know, the news outlets that
she her house had been broken into and just her
kids were home and that she was robbed. And so
I spent the morning over there at her house and
I don't want to share anything private from her, and
but it's just one of those things. It's just so heartbreaking.
(01:31):
And I know when people say that you're on a
reality TV show, like you signed up for this, and
that's the part that's so devastating. It's like nobody signs
up to have to be violated in that way, and
it's just so so frightening, especially involving your kids. And
you know, she's just so strong, and I just my
heartbreaks for her. And of course, like I have to
(01:52):
like get in an Instagram fight with somebody over it
because I saw that a girl that used to be
on The Housewives posted some thing that put a portion
of her address on it, and I was just like
why why do that? And I mean, I think we
talked so much about real crimes here, but like people
really do go on Instagram to try to get information
(02:13):
on people. So it's like you don't need like people
whenever they get mad and they post somebody's phone number,
they post a part of an address, it's like you
don't know what the repercussions could actually be, and it's
just it's really sad. And I think, you know, we
we talked about a lot of crimes here and we
we'd love to dig into it, but no matter what,
like I would never in a million years I think
(02:34):
to try to like is it docs someone? Is that
what it's called? When? Yeah, I mean because people, you know, robbers, anybody,
they know how to how to find extra information. And
it's just I don't know, it's just it made me
sad and it made just like the intrusion on her privacy,
but also just how scared she must have been and like, yeah,
(02:56):
so that's been my day, um, which is all a
much worse day for her, But I just I don't know,
it just made me feel sad. But it also made
me think about like all the different ways that we
all have to protect start protect ourselves in this city,
like turning our alarms on being there, like just because
crime is prevalent no matter where, like no matter if
(03:19):
we're sluice and we're digging into it, it can happen
to anyone at any time. And it doesn't mean just
because you're in the public eye. Yeah that's that's really
dont you are a great friend, And through it all,
your hair looks amazing, which I think needs to be said.
And we have our One of our producers, Dmitri here
(03:42):
with us, who hasn't commented on your hair yet. I
just wanted to point that out, but I want to
thank you for that you have beautiful hair. In our
producer Dmitri is here who doesn't have hair. Maybe that's
why I didn't compliment, because he's like, would you want
to buy some of its extensions? You can borrow some
of mine. I think even if I had complimented your hair,
which I think looks fantastic, at some point, I think
(04:04):
Leo would have taken me down and been like, well,
how what do you know about hair? So that's why
I was your comments. You know what, I'm really looking
forward to all of the comments that that say those
vapid bitches speaking of nightmares my ex boyfriend called so
that's where I'm at should also be considered a crime,
which one. I mean, The list is long. I posted
(04:25):
a tweet as a joke that said squid game, except
all the players are my exes, and I meant it
in the fact that all of my ex boyfriends were poor,
but everyone just took it as the fact that I've
dated four and fifty six people. You know, the number
is significantly higher. Like, okay, well that's the clip right there, right,
(04:53):
Teddy Mama four calls Leo Lamar. Pretty sure we can.
We're gonna claim it's three like everybody else. No, No,
it's a four thousand, five and sixty. They just missed
a zero there, just one decimal over. She's a cal
ripping of dating the iron Man over here. Thank you, Dmitri. Welcome,
(05:15):
great iron Man reference. You've not iron Man d C.
I'm just saying that you when you when you're crossing
that you've dated four thousand guys. I'm an olympian. That
is somewhat criminal that you've dated four thousand and yet
we still have to call all of them. And next
it's criminal that I've dated over four thousand people and
I'm still single. That's not one ring. You know what.
(05:39):
Don't show your ring while I'm here. No ring showing.
Oh god, okay, Teddy's gonna be over at my house
and be like, oh okay, anyway you guys, um, what
are you going for? Is for Halloween? What's your costume? Well?
Are we talking to me? I mean we'll talk to
Dmitri later, so yeah, yeah, we haven't led Dmitri we
haven't announced that he's allowed to speak. He's just spoken.
(05:59):
He's just taking it upon himself. Well for what, I'm
doing an adult thing one time, and we are. It's
a fire and ice theme, So I'm gonna be fire
and my husband's gonna be ic even though he told
me I picked him out a terrible costume. And then
with the kids, Slate is going to be Cruella and
then we're all her Dalmatians. Wait, I'm devastated because I'm
(06:23):
going as Cruella and I have been waiting for a
hundred and one man here to go with Dalmatian. With
your track record, you should be able to find him.
I feel like you could just cast some out, like
just pay them each a dollar and they'd come running. Uh,
this is I'm devastated. I'm devastated to hear this news.
(06:43):
I thought it was a really original idea. Yeah, well,
well apparently it wasn't. Corrella was a big movie this year.
It was you know, had a good soundtrack, so I know, well,
this is the first time I feel like I'm going
as a hot villain. You know, everywhere every year I
try to go with something creative, and this year I
decided just go hot, which is exciting for me. That's exciting.
(07:04):
It leads to a lot more opportunity, which apparently I
didn't get into the five thousand up. I always think
it's weird when people are like, oh, look at that
sexy cow or like, you know, it's like you want
sexy cow cat its like, oh her utters. I feel
(07:25):
personally victimized by that comment. We should start, We should
start the show. You have to start. I'm sorry, d Meetri.
Did you have a thought about how we're running our podcast?
Thank you so much so. I was just trying to
save us from going down to part that's gonna be
cut out? Should we He's like, guys, we're let's save
(07:47):
that editing for later. Um, all right. The first one
we got to talk about is Ronald O'Brien has been
called the man who killed Halloween and the candy Man.
On Halloween and nine seventy four and eight year old
Timothy O'Brien returned to his Houston home from a long
night of trick or treating. His father, Ronald gave him
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one last piece of candy, a pixie stick, which, of
course Timothy eight instantly. Within moments, the boy was vomiting,
and he died on the way to the hospital. After
changing a story multiple times, police learned that Ronald was
responsible for his son's death, as he had poisoned the
candy with cyanide. How sick is psychopath like so and
(08:30):
it turned out that he had a life insurance policy
on his on his child. That's next level. I mean. Also,
how can you be called the man who killed Halloween?
Of Halloween is alive? And well, well, I mean he
killed on Halloween. Maybe they just forgot them. Also, so
you guys know about candy Man. If you say candyman
five times in the mirror, what happens, right, Michael Keaton appears?
(08:56):
Oh now they have to keep it in make sense.
The thing you Dmitri, I really appreciate you. But you know,
a man with a bloody hook comes and murders you.
Isn't that the game? Is that? What? Really? What you say?
I thought it was like you say something red red.
(09:16):
I don't know, you like turn out a different that's
a different one. What is that one? I think that's
red Rum? Or like bloody Mary red Rum. Yeah, we're
bloody Mary. I don't know. But either way, all the
fun ways to get married, I mean married murder Mary.
I think that might be the saddest thing we're gonna
here today. Ok Okay, that's number one, all right. You
(09:40):
gotta do number two because I can't pronounce the last
name properly. Oh when you think I can? All right, well, here,
I'd rather you mess it up. Thank thank you, thank you.
I'm Leo Lamar. I'm here to mess everything up today. Alright.
So our second Halloween murder two friends lesliean Mazza, and
adrian in sog. I had to add the hand motions.
(10:03):
They were stabbed late one Halloween night. Okay, Leslie and
Adrianne and their friend Lauren. Mean, So did this happen
in Italy? Okay, We're busy handing out candy to trick
or treaters in Napa, California. This is hallowe Night two
thousand four. Means awoke to a scream from the upstairs bedrooms,
(10:25):
and you know what she does, Teddy what? He runs
out of the house and drives away, leaving her friends behind.
I feel like he would do that to me, thank
you so much. I would. But also she has no
survivors guilt. She was just like, I'm out of here.
I didn't even try to see what was wrong or
saved her friends. What if they just had a bad nightmare,
(10:47):
you know, But instead she decided to bounce. Okay, so
they were both twenty six. They were stabbed to death,
and Eric Matthew, I don't know if it's Italian, just
like I had to do it that way. A friend
of one of the victims turned himself in and confessed
to the murders, so not really a friend. He never
(11:07):
told anyone his motive, which is so odd, especially because
you know a lot of people who um a lot
of there are a lot of people who come forward
about murders who aren't actually the murderers. So this is
kind of like a strange one because it seems like
he might not even have been the murderer. Um, that
seems like a strange thing to confess, especially because he's
(11:29):
sit spending a life sentence without the possibility of all right,
but he didn't even have a motive, So it's just
I mean, it's kind of an odd case. But also
that is that woman is the worst friend ever. Like
if I was an employer and I googled her name
and saw she just bounced on her friends. I feel
like she he had to have a motive, he just
(11:49):
didn't share. Maybe it was a lover's core allegedly, who
knows lover's quarrel? Yeah, like it could have been that
they were all mixed up in something to get who knows?
Also nice to be in love? Well, not on this
Halloween night, Not on this Halloween with Leslian and Adrian.
I can't wait to hear the Valentine show. Well, Dmitri,
(12:13):
do you want to take on William Leah? You have
your permission. Thank you for clearing your throat, Dmitri. We
really needed to hear the flag go on. There was
no flagm William Liskey killed his family members on Halloween
in two thousands, ten, sixteen year old Devin Griffin came
home on Halloween to play video games after attending church.
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They're always coming home from church and spending the previous
nights sleeping out. He noticed the Michigan home was too quiet,
so we went to check on his family members. According
to the Sandusky Register, Griffin proceeded to find his stepfather
in bed covered in blood. When police arrived, they found
two more bodies, Griffin's mother and brother. Police eventually learned
the murderer was Griffin's stepbrother, William Lisky. Liskey pleaded guilty
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to three counts of aggravated murder to avoid the death penalty,
but found was found dead in his jail cell in
two thousand fifteen from a self inflicted rule. I just
have to say, it's always too quiet in the suburbs
wherever you are, you know what I mean, It's always scary,
and I just feel like I'm never safe, Like there
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are too many crazy people in the city. But then
when you go to the suburbs to get away from
all the crazy people, it's too quiet and that's creepy,
you know. It's like, where are you safe? On a
spaceship with Jeff Bezos and Mars. I definitely don't think so. Really,
I would let him impregnant me. Of course you would.
You're like, what's his name's wife? You're like Robert Durst's wife. Yeah,
(13:45):
I'm just worried about the money. I'm like, and don't
let that man be a lawyer. He'll take all the money.
I love that woman, by the way, I believe me.
I remember, and I'll never after my own heart. I
can't after this episode no one will ever marry Well,
(14:15):
after what you suggesting that we do this episode and
me not knowing anything about the Cecil Hotel and having
to learn everything about it in the past four eight hours,
I am so beyond obsessed. I feel like I thought
you're gonna say you're gonna break up with me, but
you went the other way. No, I loved. I loved
this one. You're welcome. Loved some of the others was
(14:39):
hard for me, but oh my god, absolutely loved this one.
Do you like well? So really briefly, so these are
this is not a Halloween murder, but this is a
this is hotel Halloween. There's always a murder happening at
this hotel. I even so when you watched the documentary,
(15:00):
first of all, they call it hotel death. The fact
that there's a question of is there a room that
someone hasn't died in? You don't want to be asking
that question or receiving that question, especially as the manager
of the hotel. Why would you continue to work there?
While you're talking about the manager of the hotel, she
gave me some real shady vibes, shady af like, just
(15:23):
even the way she talked about it and then she
kept calling the hotel of her I'm like, how do
you know? Did you ask the hotel? It's pronounced like
I just don't believe that, you know, And I thought
beyond shady was that they Okay, So to let you
guys know that the hotel was super dangerous. Multiple crimes
(15:43):
happened within this hotel. So what they did was, because
they got so many bad reviews, they created another hotel
inside of this hotel with a different entrance that was
called what was it called Leah Stand Maine Stay On Maine.
But the worst part about it is they still had
to share a hotel. I mean, that's an elevator. Wait, okay,
first of all, let me just say the Cecil Hotel
(16:06):
is in downtown l A, right next to skid Row,
and it is essentially haunted, right, so so many people
have committed suicide, their serial killers have lived there, like
Richard Ramras, which we'll get into in a second. And
the funny thing is that the the actual lobby is
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so beautiful and the outside the building is beautiful, and
on the inside it's filled with murderers. It's kind of
like the but then the rooms, the rooms are disgusting Yeah,
the Cecil hotels, just like me, looks fine on the outside,
but the inside is a big old mess, very dead one,
(16:47):
full of problems, full of problems have stayed there. No,
over four thousand killer men have stayed back. Oh I
almost just said something very disturbing, but it would have
gotten cut. But um, god, I hate censoring myself. Look Um,
(17:07):
first of all, I'll just say this. I think that
if you love shopping, you go to the mall. If
you love murder, you go to the Hotel Cecil. Some
of these people were not even meaning to stay at
the Hotel Cecil, like Elisa Lamb, for example. She thought
she was staying on Maine, and then the hotel even
(17:31):
flagged her as somebody with concerning behavior and moved her
out of her shared living area into her own room.
So Hotel Cecil slash Day on Maine knew that things
were not good. Well, let's just dive right into the
Elizel Lamb case. Okay. It is absolutely disturbing for those
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of you who know nothing about this case. So essentially
we'll just say that they chalked up her death to
mental illness and accidental suicide. However, there are a lot
of conspiracy theories about her death. So she was Canadian
(18:17):
and she moved to the States where she was going
to be a student, and she stayed at the Cecil
Hotel downtown because it was affordable, and just like Teddy said,
she was in a shared room and she had a
lot of odd behavior, and so she was put in
her own private room. If you have odd behavior at
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the Cecil Hotel, you're probably a murderer, right in honestly, yeah.
I mean the fact that they're saying that she was
disturbing people lets me know that she was probably at
that point, aren't You shouldn't the manager of the hotel.
If you have to do that, then maybe called the
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authorities and alert them, or maybe it seems like they
weren't really alerting the authorities when they had a serial
killer on their premises. So kind of seems like a
safe place for people who are unwell. The part that
made me really sad is she was really on was
it Tumbler? She was on Tumbler a lot, and she
was sharing her emotions and sharing like how she was
(19:23):
struggling mentally and certain medications would work, and then she'd
have days where she couldn't leave her bed, and so
it's like there was multiple cries for help. She was
also diagnosed by Pohler correct and then unable to find
a medication that is able to help her. And but
the one thing that they didn't mention in the documentary
(19:44):
is if you stop a medication immediately, you have suicidal tendencies.
Antidepressant like they I mean, I've been on antidepressants before
and on them like when you're going off, they make
you taper off in a certain way because if not,
it creates withdrawal, with not just withdrawal, but like it
(20:08):
says like one of the side effects can be suicidal thoughts.
So I mean I do. I mean, you've got to
explain the elevator and what happened in the elevator and
her missing and then he never as I know, and
then we'll get more into you know, of course, what
I think as someone who will probably never be off antidepressants.
(20:29):
First of all, let me just say very pro taking
care of your mental health, therapy, psychiatry, whatever works for you.
But don't do nothing. That's my advice. I think getting
help is the right way to go and does not
make you weak. I think it makes you much stronger.
Thank God for Dr Kleinberg, Doctor Feldstein. I'm just naming Jews.
(20:53):
They're not actually my doctor, but I you know all
the people in my life who keep me medicated and alive, loved,
all of you, you know who you are. Okay, So,
first of all, Alisa Lamb's death her is still very
odd and suspicious. Right, the toxicology tests and the autopsy
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came back saying that she didn't have any drugs in
her system, and they ruled it an accidental drowning. And
they found her body in a water tank at the
roof of the building. And people only realized because their
water started turning brown and people started complaining and they
were literally drinking water with rotting human corpse. Okay, but
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then there's more. So there's I mean, that's just the
tip of the iceberg. First of all, it would take
so much for her to accidentally drop into the water tank.
And also she was found without her clothes on in
the water tank. A lot of people say that when
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you start to have hypothermia, you actually take your off.
It's a thing. It's not just you know, you don't
feel like getting naked. Well, that's also when you're in
an igloo, you're supposed to take your clothes off, but
also if you're trying to get out of something like that,
because I feel it's about to go into I once
dated an Eskimo and that's what he told. Now that's
(22:31):
where you now, it's going to go there it maybe
we may have gotten through it without Yeah, it wasn't
even my fault, only thank you. But they so misreported
and they said in like the news reports that the
water tank was open, but it was actually closed, so
that misreporting was actually a big snaff foo um. And
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they have footage of her in the elevator where it
looks she walks into the elevator and she almost calm
at first, but then all of a sudden you see
her like pressing all the buttons and doing these things
with her hands. And then they show a clip of
the elevator door closing and her whipping her head around.
But then it looks like part of the footage has
been taken out like that. They you see it start
(23:16):
to close and then it so but you never see
how the person here. It's sped up. They've completely made
the time stamp unreadable so that you can't even see
what time it's at. There are theories that you see
a shoe like a like the heel of another person's
shoe in the footage briefly, and also, I do want
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to just just go back for two seconds because I
feel like we missed um a couple of essential moments.
So Alisa on Tumblr also mentioned, you know that she
was going out and meeting people, and we also know
that the hotel was filled with questionable characters, so we
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don't know if she was romantically involved with someone. We
don't know if there was someone in the hotel who
was chasing her. We don't know if she was just
off her meds and actually having a complete breakdown. But
what happened the night of her disappearance was that the
last tape that they have of her is her going
into the elevator acting suspicious, which will come back to
(24:19):
you in a second, and then disappearing, and then there's
no more footage of her. But then several weeks later
they find her dead body in a water tank and
the only way for her to have gotten onto the
hotel roof undetected. She would have either gone through a
locked an alarmed door, but the alarm never went off
or through a fire escape on the side of the building.
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Then she would have had to climb to the top
of the water tank platform up a ten foot ladder
and then lifted a super heavy water tank lid and
then sliding inside and then somehow latching it closed, but
it was open. There are a lot of details that
seem left out and complicated, and also it just seems
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very difficult to do all of that um and have
it just be by yourself and not assisted by another person.
But they never found evidence of DNA of anyone else around,
and it probably would have had to just be a
solo act. And while we're on the topic of some
(25:29):
of the different conspiracy theories, there was a man who
stayed in the hotel Cecil and he was like, I'm
gonna maybe say this wrong, but he was a musician,
but it was like he was the type of musician
where he was like it was very bloody and gory,
and he was like he came through and did an
interview in the documentary and he said that he started
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being accused of the person that did the murder because
he stayed in the hotel and nobody did enough research
to realize that he stayed in the hotel a year
prior to her even being there. They would never even
overlap time frames. But he was then accused of being
the person that murdered her, and it got to the
point where he was so attacked and so people were
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just you know, all over him that he got to
the point where he tried to commit suicide and then
he had to be institutionalized. So that's where they also
say that like if you stay in that hotel, there's
just so much that carries Yeah, you're cursed. But also
where this conspiracy theory has led to somebody else having
major mental health issues and he didn't even know her.
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I just want to say, this is very one of
you to make a case about a woman about a
man that has nothing to do with this. He was
dying inside. I'm watching him wanting to say anything, but
in true fashion, Dmitri has not been given permission to
speak yet. Or he's just smart and to know when
(27:01):
to gosh of water. Let's go a little water break. Okay,
let's go back to the elevator. So the elevator footage
is the last footage they have of her alive. And
like I said, and like you've mentioned the tape was
obviously tampered with. The time stamp is unreadable, which is
(27:26):
done intentionally. There is clearly pieces of footage removed from it,
and we can't tell at what piece the footage is
because if you play it at different speeds, it could
seem normal, and if you play at other speeds that
seems super abnormal. So the elevator footage shows her going
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into the elevator, pushing a bunch of buttons. Already bizarre, right,
she looks at the elevator, She moves back into a corner,
then she steps outside, waves her hands about kind of
like a weird majestic way where it looks like she's
conjuring a spirit. Something odd is happening. The hand gestures
are weird. The elevator doesn't go anywhere, so we don't
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know if that means someone's pushing the elevator button holding
it there. We just we actually have a lot of answers.
We actually have a lot of questions, and no answers
is what I meant to say, Okay, and then we
I don't think at any point she seems scared, but
we do see her kind of speaking and jumping out
(28:28):
of the elevator and then vanishing. You have to note
the speaking thing. Her parents said that that is something
that had happened with her in the past when she
was struggling and she would go off for medication, she
would start to, uh have a psychosis where she thought
she saw things, and so anything is possible. But I'm
(28:50):
just we have to we have to show all the sides.
And you know, we appreciate the fact that you are
emotionally available enough to share all the sides, because I
I'm not um so okay. So now one of the
theories is and if you go and read it, and
you're a readitor like me, you will notice that the
(29:12):
Elevator game is something that everyone brings up. What is
the Elevator game? You ask? Thank you so much for asking.
I really appreciate it. So the Elevator gave originated in Korea,
and it's actually a game that's played thirty three thousand
times a month a month. And now when I tell
you what it is, you're gonna wonder why there are
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thirty three thousand disturbed people out there trying to play
this game. Okay, The Elevator game is a game where
you have to play a alone and be you have
to play with a building that has at least ten
stories in it and has an elevator. Those are that
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that's the bare minimum, and if you ascend and descend
in a very specifical or or in the elevator to
certain floors, there is a chance that you get transported
to another dimension. Now, this other dimension, what is it?
Like you ask? Not heaven? It is literally hell. So
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people have said that when you get out on the
tenth floor, which if you make it to the tenth floor,
the elevator will choose whether or not you get to
go to the other dimension. If you go there, there's
a red glowing cross in the distance. It's super dark.
It seems like our world but slightly different, and there's
nothing to gain besides being lost in this other dimension
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and just knowing that it exists. There are literally no
pros cons. Teddy, I'm asking you not to do this.
This is a no for me on my my ex.
Let me just share really quickly. Um, shall we give
your ex's names, like just even fay ones, because seem
(31:02):
like there's one person and like we clearly it's not.
Maybe we picked the top five and just named them,
but just thing is that, like, I really haven't dated
that many people. Sure, and I'm a natural blonde. Come on,
natural blonde. They've never had continue See, this is one
(31:25):
of those times where I'm not supposed to say anything,
so I would thank you, Dmitri. So I was telling
my X about this game and we just talked about it,
and he refused to tell me that he wouldn't not
play it. So and I was begging. I was like,
I'm just telling you about it, but I'm not telling
you to do it. Please don't do it. Do not
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play this game. Whatever you do, do not play this game.
And he could not be talked out of it. He
didn't end up playing it, but he did end up
in the hospital with a bowel obstruction. No, not dimension,
But hold on, who's telling us what this looks to?
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A boul dimension? Are these people? Like do people come
back from this? Like how do we know what they see? That? This?
The whole thing sounds ridiculous. And he didn't even play it,
but something bad happened to him. So what I'm We'll
tell you a little bit more about the game, but
please don't play the game. Don't go looking for When
we were younger, and we like taught ourselves how to faint,
(32:28):
and then everybody's like, whatever you do, don't do the
fainting game. You guys never did this. It was like
a big thing. Well I'm so much older than you.
But in the eighties where you like lean over and
you go and then you have your friend push on
you and then you faint. It was like a big
We had to have like a memo go out in
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our school that like, we were not if we found
out that any of us were making each other faint,
that we would get suspended. Did anyone die from that?
No one that I know, But then that came out
that somebody died, so then we all stopped. But I mean,
what the hell? But that's why I'm worried. Like people
here and try things, but thankfully I don't think this exists.
This dimension to the instructive bowel is enough to scare
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enough people off. I'm not trying this. If the if
the alternate dimension didn't that will well was it the
alternate dimension or did he just swallow his feelings for me?
I think you're so blinded by love that you're willing
to give that. Maybe he just had a bowel instruction
like need maybe he had like a gerbil fetish. I mean, okay,
(33:34):
gross number one, I don't know. You don't remember that
story as someone who has maybe allegedly had sex with
this person. I don't think he has a devil allegedly,
But I'm disturbed. I don't. I don't. I don't know.
If I can go on, I think that might be best. Well,
(33:58):
how we have to end with hotels? So but I
have to ask you guys, would if they reopen, would
you guys ever stay there? No? Okay, I would go
if we if we went and did a podcast from there,
I would do that. But I wouldn't just like go
there by myself. But we couldn't above the room. Apparently
the higher up the rooms, the more dangerous the place was,
and the the less the police would come if they
(34:20):
said this was like on the tenth floor, the leventh
floor or whatever, because that they've got more dangerous and
they were more expensive less expensive the higher up. Can
I just really briefly say, if you google the elevator
game and you check out what people have said, they
were like, I'm haunted, I'm so help me, let me
just so so I'm not even I'm not going to
(34:42):
tell you what order to go in in the elevators,
but all I will tell you is that apparently you
get onto the fifth floor, and you are not supposed
to look at a woman who gets on the elevator.
She may or may not get on the elevator, but
if she does, you are not allowed to look at her.
And if you look at her, and apparently she may
(35:06):
or may not appear with someone, you know, she'll try
to talk to you, she might ask her help, she
might start screaming. You don't know how she'll appear. But
once you look at her, you're basically like damned for eternity.
And there are lots of people on YouTube who claim
to be doing this game, but none of your electronics
will work. And if they bring electronics in then it
doesn't actually work. So especially if you go in they're
(35:29):
saying I I really, but people say that this woman
they think, so essentially they go to the tenth floor
or not, but they go back to the first floor
and you get let out, and then your everyday life
is haunted if you have if you have played the
game wrong. And on the internet, everything on the internet
(35:50):
is true. One million I mean upset that we don't
believe when people say, if you go to the fifth floor, Um,
but woman may or may not appear. It's like any
time you leave it may or may not. It's like, okay,
so you could just be making it up. Yeah, but
that's like I may or may not come to the
(36:12):
dinner you invited me to. But I elevator games start
at the Hotel Cecil. No, it started in Korea many
many moons ago. It's just something that they thought she
was playing. They thought she was playing out so when
they when she was speaking, they thought that she was
speaking to the woman on the fifth floor and we
couldn't see her, and that she entered, and that she
(36:33):
was raptured, I guess, or taken by this evil demon
and then put into the water tank and murdered by
this evil spirit. Do you also find it odd that
the night stalker stayed at the Hotel Cecil? Yeah? I
find it all that Richard ramras Um, can you let
(36:53):
me be wrong? No, ramerous god, I mean that guy
would come back to the hotel covered in blood. He
was sentenced to death nineteen times, Like if you've been
sentenced to death nineteen times? Pretty sure, you're going straight
to hell. And he I just looked at up. He
(37:14):
died into cancer of cancer. Yeah, he might actually be
Satan himself. He was. They did a bunch of movies
on him where they made him really look like he
was really good looking too. Why do you always do that?
I don't glamorize murder. I I absolutely do not understand.
I mean, speaking of hot, I wish I didn't think
(37:34):
Ed Gaen was hot. Stop. I can't with Ed Dean.
I know I like the transition though, but I really
I there were parts when I was listening and now
I'm gonna regret saying this, there was parts when I
started listening to some of the podcasts about Ed Dean
and reading about him where I felt really sad the
(37:55):
way he was raised. Do you guys know who Ed
Gaine is? I'm sure Leo wants to do his official
and no, no, no, no, no, we all know who
Ed Gaine is. But I do think and by we
all know, I mean not all of us know. And Teddy,
we would love for you us, We would love for
you us, We would love for you to introduce him
to us. However, I think let's just take a quick
(38:15):
break and then we'll come back to ed Gaine. How
does that sound for everyone? That sounds good? Okay, time
to go pp p RB. Sorry to me. I mean
we could just say we're taking breaking whatever you need
to do during that time. It is cool. We don't
have to say that. But maybe some people need to
go to the bathroom. Like your ex boyfriend with the
bat obstruction. He couldn't go to the bathroom. He was
(38:38):
considab That's how I know. We were just like old
for app brothers. I'm like, you're letting me know you
can't go to the bathroom. I mean, this is just
it's over. Romance is dead. So eyes were back and
(39:01):
we're all having a little laugh because I was chatting
with them about how disgusting this picture was of me
that was posted, and he was like, I think you
look good, and I said I looked like one of
Ed Geen's lampshades. For those of you don't know Ed Geene, well,
his backstory was he grew up in a repressive household
(39:22):
controlled by a dominant mother. Following her death in nineteen
forty five, his mental health got worse and worse, and
Geen was apprehended as a suspect in a nineteen fifty
seven murder. The investigation of his home yielded a highly
disturbed man who kept human organs and fashion clothing and
accessory out of body parts and skin. Yeah, he spent
(39:46):
the rest of his life institutionalized. His story began fueling
the inspiration of such famous movies movie characters as Norman
Bates from Psycho, Buffalo Bill from Signs of the Lambs,
and leather Face from The Texas Chainsaw Master. Which is
why we're talking about this on our Halloween episode because
how creepy is that? And also feel free to weigh
in if you guys think that my face looks like
(40:07):
one of Edgean's lampshades. Oh maybe he was just very
fashion forward. And I think I think ed Geane would
love to have your type of face on a lampshade.
But I don't think God Jemitri is this compliment Cheddy
Jay is this compliment Teddy in the scariest way possible.
And I'm stand on a lamp shade and fairness, you
(40:29):
set you set the conversation up this way. It's not
like I was like, Hey, do you want to talk
about human lampshades? You guys said it there, and I
just said, you're making it seem like you have no
control over your thoughts and words. What should I say here? Wait? Okay? Also,
I want to highlight the fact that ed Gean had
a very controlling religious mother, because I do think that
(40:52):
I will be this type of mother, and therefore I
probably shouldn't have children. But you said that you hated
the suburbs so you couldn't heat. She moved their family
out from like even like a little small town that
they lived in, out to like far far far, into
this farm area where she was controlling. He wasn't allowed
to have friends. Anytime he brought a friend over, she
(41:12):
would tell him all the reasons why they couldn't be friends.
So the only person he really had any relationship was
with her. And he had an alcoholic father, who correct
me if I'm wrong, ended up passing away or no
longer lived with I can't even remember. But the point
is like, which always brings me back to the other
(41:33):
questions of like was he born that way or was
this because of something that you know? Growing up the
way he did? You know they say superheroes aren't made,
they're born. Well, I'm not sure. We call ed Dean
a super superhero, and and I was gonna say in
super villains are also not born. There made I think, Look,
(42:00):
there's a through line of all of these serial killers,
John Wayne gaycy Gary Ridgeway, ed Geane, Robert Durst, Jeffrey Dahmer.
They all had very disturbed childhoods and very um terrifying
upbringings where either their parents had depression or bipolar or
(42:23):
attempted suicide or murdered or did commit suicide or super Yeah,
there's always some sort of through line between all of
these people, and most of them were never offered any
sort of help, or didn't receive any or were told
to like to suppress it and cover it up, as
most of us are told. I have a problem when
(42:46):
you lump yourself back in with the serial killers we're
talking about. I really I have to look down when
it happens, because I know my reaction is not going
to be the best. So it's best just I look
down and pretend I'm focusing on the next thing, my
next transition. Okay, Okay, but I will say this, this
ed So ed Geen is, like you said, he inspired
(43:08):
a lot of movie characters and he because he would
dress up, he would wear the skins of these other
people and skulls and pretend to be his mother, which
is so mortifying. And he left her room exactly the
way it was when she died. So that's where the
Norman Bates then comes in. He left it it was pristine,
(43:29):
and the rest of his house was in shambles. Put
the lotion in the basket. Somethinking about that too. I
think I don't know if you guys, have you ever
heard of the Madonna horror complex now, so the Madonna
work complex. Lots of men I've dated have had this.
It is, so I'm just gonna keep saying Madonna work.
(43:53):
So Madonna work complex is when men had a very
complicated relationship with their mother growing up, and they see
the mother or the person that they are in a
relationship with as the respected figure, and then they see
all other women as quote unquote horrors or people they
can have sex with, and then there is a disconnect
between being able to be romantically interested in someone that
(44:16):
you are physically interested in. And this I feel like
it's a very extreme case of that, where he respected
his mother so much and then you know he he
actually did admit to murdering at least one of the
women that they right, or did he admit to both murders. Well,
(44:36):
they found the body in his the one in his house, right,
and then he kept, you know, being found insane and
pleading insanity. But they found skulls, lambshades, chair upholsteries, waste
baskets all made from human skin, uh, skinned women hanging
on the bedroom wall, belt made of nipples, skulls on
(44:59):
the bedposts, leggings, a box full of women's private parts.
And he also admitted to digging up women. And so
obviously he had a very complicated relationship with women because
he wasn't murdering men from what I know. No, it
was always women. It's just mind. Nobody was going to
(45:22):
be measuring up to his mother or even though his
mother was a disaster, oh so disturbing. So he murdered
Baronice Warden. She was reported missing from her hardware store
and the cash register was also missing, and then they
just followed a trail of blood. Um, so he also
(45:43):
worked there. Correct, It sounds like that's true. Yeah, sounds
like it sounds like Teddy's on it. Teddy did her homework. Um.
And then they authorities went to his house that night
and found her headless and gooded, and her body was
hanging from the ceiling, which is disturbing to say the least. Uh.
(46:05):
And he also admitted to practicing necrophilia. So again, I
think we can very much chalk this up to an
extreme case of Madonna warr complex, among other things, and
mental illness. And um, he also murdered, didn't he murder?
He murdered another woman? Yeah, oh oh, Hogan, he murdered. Um,
(46:28):
you guys, I'm very with it today. I can see
a good thing. Thank you so much. Um, he murdered
another woman. And it's interesting because it was clear that
he was devoted to his mom, but he literally almost
never left home or dated other women except to murder people.
(46:50):
The fact that anybody was dating him, I don't know
if that is that confirmed. No, No, that he never
dated women. Okay, I was like, I know, but even
to murder them. I wouldn't know that we would call
this dating. I mean, you said I never dated women
when he murdered them, so I was like a fun
first date. O, my god, what point? Like, I just
(47:15):
I don't think it's considered a date lea deceased. I
don't don't, just don't respond to that, please, solely to
bring this all back into Halloween and Dmitri, can you
(47:37):
guys share your favorite Hollywood cult classic movies? I gotta
spell on you and now you're mind? Do you guys
know what that's from? No? Hocus Pocus, Oh hocus focus.
They haven't even shown that this year on my t V.
But the first of all, Bettman, there is a goddess
(48:00):
in my opinion of love love Sarah, Sarah Jessica Parker
early days loved her. I still love her. She's the best. Um. Okay,
so that's your favorite? What's your favorite? Dmitri? I don't know.
I think I I did like Psycho um, but I
think a Nightmare in Elm Street I thought was cool
(48:22):
because I liked the crossover between dreams and reality. Dream
Dream Dream Dream Dream? Are we making a CD here?
What's going on? I did you say we're making a CD?
I'm old? Okay, Eddy, why did you just become a
hundred years I'm a d This new eight track is
(48:44):
going to be fantastic. My first car was a Gremlin
and I had an eight track in it. Oh, Gremlins,
that was a good movie. I never saw it. You
guys are going to probably be a little upset with me,
considering I am one of the hosts of a true
crime podcast. I do not like horror movies. I like
true crime documentaries. I do not like horror movies. So
(49:06):
I have never seen Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The first horror
movie that I saw was Halloween, the New Halloween, because
my friend Kyle's in it, and I was so frightened
the whole time. I couldn't sleep all night. Like I
think you either have like, and she did an amazing job.
I think the movie is great. I just can't watch
(49:26):
them and sleep at night. But why is there something
wrong with me that I can watch true life ones? Yes?
Like that doesn't seem disturbing. Yes, And also I just
want to let you know I I'm going to be
very vulnerable right now and tell you guys that I
used to work in a Haltday Haunted where you wanted
(49:50):
like at the Universal where you scared people? No, no, no,
uh did you ever see Sleep No More? In New
York City the Immersive Theater experience. I'm a must to
miss that one. Teddy just shamed the entire theater industry
(50:12):
with one centis I'm like, I saw a chorus line,
all right, well, you're not invited to my Broadway show.
So um it was an immersive theater show and it
ran for September and October. This was a few years
back now, obviously pre pandemic, but um, it was very
(50:37):
interesting learning about how to scare people because there are
lots of different types of horror, their psychological horror. There's
easy scares, like something you would call it jump scare,
where you literally just pop out and scare someone you know,
and those often are scarier to me than a psychological
(50:58):
scare in the moment. But a psychological scare stays with
you forever. And that's why Teddy is afraid of horror
movies because they are like psychological scares. But murder documentaries
are kind of like jump scares where it just gets
you in the moment and you're like, ah, interesting, and
then you forget about it. But then psychological horrors stay
(51:21):
with you forever, and I think that's why you feel
like you're part of it and it never leaves you.
Well that makes sense, but I can tell you that
ever since joining this podcast. My husband's like, I am
so frightened. I come home and you've got nope, like
papers everywhere I see pictures of killers. You're like, look
like you haven't slept in weeks. Like He's like, I know,
(51:44):
like you're plotting to murder me. I'm like, guy, like
especially when Lee it throws Texas chainsaw massacre at me
last minute, knowing I never saw it. I had no
idea who genis. Okay, okay, So what's your favorite movie? Teddy?
(52:05):
You fit like a practical magic type of Halloween. Gal.
That was a creepy movie that was creepy, but like
it was like a love creepy like that it felt
more more real to me. I can't like the the
blood and the guts. I can't do it. I did
love Silence of the Lamps. You loved it, I mean
I watched it more than once. Oh my god, wait,
(52:28):
I'm sorry. Didn't Teddy just say that she can't watch
horror films and then she Silence? Which is on to me?
Horror films are like when it's gory and bloody. I
like psychological thrillers. That's also what my life is. Well,
(52:49):
we'll get into that next week, guys, because we've run
out of time for today. We have yes, oh we
didn't even get to the back. We didn't get to
the black dial, which gives me more time to research.
But also, can you, guys, choose a favor and send
(53:09):
us in any of your recommendations for your favorite Halloween
movies and we will post them on our Graham because
ones that are kids appropriate as well, because for some
of you, all moms out there that are like me,
but kid appropriate and also the gorious to the gore,
I will say that I don't think that there are
any horror movies that are appropriate for children. I watched
an episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark when
(53:30):
I was a kid, and I remember telling my mom,
I fine, it doesn't upset me, And then of course
I wasn't fine, and it did upset me, and I
still have recurring nightmares. And it wasn't even that scary,
just a child vanished into a vampire's cape for eternity.
But other than that, I think it might explain a
(53:51):
lot about me as a person and why I am
the way I am. This episode was off the chain,
saw massacre and I'm I I'm in a place. I
was an action when we started, and now I'm really
in a place. On that On that note, guys, on
that jingle, we have to go for this week, But
(54:13):
don't you worry, get back and send into it. Lee
is like, I need to get another joke and give it.
Give it to me. This is mental illness, the fact
that I refuse to let go. I'm like the fact
I have a You know how I am with time.
I know you're very punctual. Can I just say, everyone,
(54:36):
please call in eight six six twenty one crime. That's
not the official jingle, but it's our official number. Please
call in. Leave us messages. We'll even read. If you
think of something clever, we'll even read them and answer them.
Why we're here, and that again is eight six six
(54:58):
crime twenty one is how old me and Teddy both are,
so it'll be easy to remember. Oh why do you
have to be I mean, I thought we were getting
along today, but now I have to shade me at
the end. But yeah, call us you guys, because you
already said your first car was a gremlin. No one's
(55:19):
gonna be like, oh how hard you are to break
up with At the end of the date, I mean
a podcast like the ending is so literally it's like
pulling Brian Laundry's teeth to get off the phone with
you guys. Speaking of which, just real, real fast. They
have not let us know if the DNA in the
(55:39):
partial remains besides the teeth are whether they are confirmed
to be Brian Laundries or not. So we are still
waiting at that information, and so stay tuned for next episode.
We'll be we'll be digging into that for sure. But
please do not leave a voicemail asking me on a date,
because if you've listened to this podcast and you still
want to date me, there's something wrong with you, and
I will not say yes. And we can't count higher
(56:00):
than a five thousand. Thank you, bye, ony of you guys.
It's real time ground it real time grond I mean,
is it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything? Or
is that just the thing we say? It's a thing
we say, got it? Okay, see you next week for
more real time crime, only on I Heart Radio.
Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime.
I'm one of your hosts, Lea Lamar, and we have
with us and our wonderful, beautiful co host Teddy Melancho. Well,
(00:23):
thank you so much for the for the positive intro today.
I'm a little I have to be honest, I'm a
little down in the dumps today. I know, I wanted
to kind of just hop right into this special Halloween
flavored episode flavored just let me live, Let me live.
But I do feel like we have some pressing issues
we should discuss before we go into the Halloween murders.
(00:46):
You mean my day so far? Yeah, that's That's what
I'm talking about so pretty much today, as you know,
we I woke up, it was like a normal day, um,
took the kids and worked out, took the kids to
the bus, and then all of a sudden, I started
getting these text messages from people like is to read okay?
And I'm like, what are you talking about? And then
(01:08):
I saw the the you know, the news outlets that
she her house had been broken into and just her
kids were home and that she was robbed. And so
I spent the morning over there at her house and
I don't want to share anything private from her, and
but it's just one of those things. It's just so heartbreaking.
(01:31):
And I know when people say that you're on a
reality TV show, like you signed up for this, and
that's the part that's so devastating. It's like nobody signs
up to have to be violated in that way, and
it's just so so frightening, especially involving your kids. And
you know, she's just so strong, and I just my
heartbreaks for her. And of course, like I have to
(01:52):
like get in an Instagram fight with somebody over it
because I saw that a girl that used to be
on The Housewives posted some thing that put a portion
of her address on it, and I was just like
why why do that? And I mean, I think we
talked so much about real crimes here, but like people
really do go on Instagram to try to get information
(02:13):
on people. So it's like you don't need like people
whenever they get mad and they post somebody's phone number,
they post a part of an address, it's like you
don't know what the repercussions could actually be, and it's
just it's really sad. And I think, you know, we
we talked about a lot of crimes here and we
we'd love to dig into it, but no matter what,
like I would never in a million years I think
(02:34):
to try to like is it docs someone? Is that
what it's called? When? Yeah, I mean because people, you know, robbers, anybody,
they know how to how to find extra information. And
it's just I don't know, it's just it made me
sad and it made just like the intrusion on her privacy,
but also just how scared she must have been and like, yeah,
(02:56):
so that's been my day, um, which is all a
much worse day for her, But I just I don't know,
it just made me feel sad. But it also made
me think about like all the different ways that we
all have to protect start protect ourselves in this city,
like turning our alarms on being there, like just because
crime is prevalent no matter where, like no matter if
(03:19):
we're sluice and we're digging into it, it can happen
to anyone at any time. And it doesn't mean just
because you're in the public eye. Yeah that's that's really
dont you are a great friend, And through it all,
your hair looks amazing, which I think needs to be said.
And we have our One of our producers, Dmitri here
(03:42):
with us, who hasn't commented on your hair yet. I
just wanted to point that out, but I want to
thank you for that you have beautiful hair. In our
producer Dmitri is here who doesn't have hair. Maybe that's
why I didn't compliment, because he's like, would you want
to buy some of its extensions? You can borrow some
of mine. I think even if I had complimented your hair,
which I think looks fantastic, at some point, I think
(04:04):
Leo would have taken me down and been like, well,
how what do you know about hair? So that's why
I was your comments. You know what, I'm really looking
forward to all of the comments that that say those
vapid bitches speaking of nightmares my ex boyfriend called so
that's where I'm at should also be considered a crime,
which one. I mean, The list is long. I posted
(04:25):
a tweet as a joke that said squid game, except
all the players are my exes, and I meant it
in the fact that all of my ex boyfriends were poor,
but everyone just took it as the fact that I've
dated four and fifty six people. You know, the number
is significantly higher. Like, okay, well that's the clip right there, right,
(04:53):
Teddy Mama four calls Leo Lamar. Pretty sure we can.
We're gonna claim it's three like everybody else. No, No,
it's a four thousand, five and sixty. They just missed
a zero there, just one decimal over. She's a cal
ripping of dating the iron Man over here. Thank you, Dmitri. Welcome,
(05:15):
great iron Man reference. You've not iron Man d C.
I'm just saying that you when you when you're crossing
that you've dated four thousand guys. I'm an olympian. That
is somewhat criminal that you've dated four thousand and yet
we still have to call all of them. And next
it's criminal that I've dated over four thousand people and
I'm still single. That's not one ring. You know what.
(05:39):
Don't show your ring while I'm here. No ring showing.
Oh god, okay, Teddy's gonna be over at my house
and be like, oh okay, anyway you guys, um, what
are you going for? Is for Halloween? What's your costume? Well?
Are we talking to me? I mean we'll talk to
Dmitri later, so yeah, yeah, we haven't led Dmitri we
haven't announced that he's allowed to speak. He's just spoken.
(05:59):
He's just taking it upon himself. Well for what, I'm
doing an adult thing one time, and we are. It's
a fire and ice theme, So I'm gonna be fire
and my husband's gonna be ic even though he told
me I picked him out a terrible costume. And then
with the kids, Slate is going to be Cruella and
then we're all her Dalmatians. Wait, I'm devastated because I'm
(06:23):
going as Cruella and I have been waiting for a
hundred and one man here to go with Dalmatian. With
your track record, you should be able to find him.
I feel like you could just cast some out, like
just pay them each a dollar and they'd come running. Uh,
this is I'm devastated. I'm devastated to hear this news.
(06:43):
I thought it was a really original idea. Yeah, well,
well apparently it wasn't. Corrella was a big movie this year.
It was you know, had a good soundtrack, so I know, well,
this is the first time I feel like I'm going
as a hot villain. You know, everywhere every year I
try to go with something creative, and this year I
decided just go hot, which is exciting for me. That's exciting.
(07:04):
It leads to a lot more opportunity, which apparently I
didn't get into the five thousand up. I always think
it's weird when people are like, oh, look at that
sexy cow or like, you know, it's like you want
sexy cow cat its like, oh her utters. I feel
(07:25):
personally victimized by that comment. We should start, We should
start the show. You have to start. I'm sorry, d Meetri.
Did you have a thought about how we're running our podcast?
Thank you so much so. I was just trying to
save us from going down to part that's gonna be
cut out? Should we He's like, guys, we're let's save
(07:47):
that editing for later. Um, all right. The first one
we got to talk about is Ronald O'Brien has been
called the man who killed Halloween and the candy Man.
On Halloween and nine seventy four and eight year old
Timothy O'Brien returned to his Houston home from a long
night of trick or treating. His father, Ronald gave him
(08:08):
one last piece of candy, a pixie stick, which, of
course Timothy eight instantly. Within moments, the boy was vomiting,
and he died on the way to the hospital. After
changing a story multiple times, police learned that Ronald was
responsible for his son's death, as he had poisoned the
candy with cyanide. How sick is psychopath like so and
(08:30):
it turned out that he had a life insurance policy
on his on his child. That's next level. I mean. Also,
how can you be called the man who killed Halloween?
Of Halloween is alive? And well, well, I mean he
killed on Halloween. Maybe they just forgot them. Also, so
you guys know about candy Man. If you say candyman
five times in the mirror, what happens, right, Michael Keaton appears?
(08:56):
Oh now they have to keep it in make sense.
The thing you Dmitri, I really appreciate you. But you know,
a man with a bloody hook comes and murders you.
Isn't that the game? Is that? What? Really? What you say?
I thought it was like you say something red red.
(09:16):
I don't know, you like turn out a different that's
a different one. What is that one? I think that's
red Rum? Or like bloody Mary red Rum. Yeah, we're
bloody Mary. I don't know. But either way, all the
fun ways to get married, I mean married murder Mary.
I think that might be the saddest thing we're gonna
here today. Ok Okay, that's number one, all right. You
(09:40):
gotta do number two because I can't pronounce the last
name properly. Oh when you think I can? All right, well, here,
I'd rather you mess it up. Thank thank you, thank you.
I'm Leo Lamar. I'm here to mess everything up today. Alright.
So our second Halloween murder two friends lesliean Mazza, and
adrian in sog. I had to add the hand motions.
(10:03):
They were stabbed late one Halloween night. Okay, Leslie and
Adrianne and their friend Lauren. Mean, So did this happen
in Italy? Okay, We're busy handing out candy to trick
or treaters in Napa, California. This is hallowe Night two
thousand four. Means awoke to a scream from the upstairs bedrooms,
(10:25):
and you know what she does, Teddy what? He runs
out of the house and drives away, leaving her friends behind.
I feel like he would do that to me, thank
you so much. I would. But also she has no
survivors guilt. She was just like, I'm out of here.
I didn't even try to see what was wrong or
saved her friends. What if they just had a bad nightmare,
(10:47):
you know, But instead she decided to bounce. Okay, so
they were both twenty six. They were stabbed to death,
and Eric Matthew, I don't know if it's Italian, just
like I had to do it that way. A friend
of one of the victims turned himself in and confessed
to the murders, so not really a friend. He never
(11:07):
told anyone his motive, which is so odd, especially because
you know a lot of people who um a lot
of there are a lot of people who come forward
about murders who aren't actually the murderers. So this is
kind of like a strange one because it seems like
he might not even have been the murderer. Um, that
seems like a strange thing to confess, especially because he's
(11:29):
sit spending a life sentence without the possibility of all right,
but he didn't even have a motive, So it's just
I mean, it's kind of an odd case. But also
that is that woman is the worst friend ever. Like
if I was an employer and I googled her name
and saw she just bounced on her friends. I feel
like she he had to have a motive, he just
(11:49):
didn't share. Maybe it was a lover's core allegedly, who
knows lover's quarrel? Yeah, like it could have been that
they were all mixed up in something to get who knows?
Also nice to be in love? Well, not on this
Halloween night, Not on this Halloween with Leslian and Adrian.
I can't wait to hear the Valentine show. Well, Dmitri,
(12:13):
do you want to take on William Leah? You have
your permission. Thank you for clearing your throat, Dmitri. We
really needed to hear the flag go on. There was
no flagm William Liskey killed his family members on Halloween
in two thousands, ten, sixteen year old Devin Griffin came
home on Halloween to play video games after attending church.
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They're always coming home from church and spending the previous
nights sleeping out. He noticed the Michigan home was too quiet,
so we went to check on his family members. According
to the Sandusky Register, Griffin proceeded to find his stepfather
in bed covered in blood. When police arrived, they found
two more bodies, Griffin's mother and brother. Police eventually learned
the murderer was Griffin's stepbrother, William Lisky. Liskey pleaded guilty
(13:00):
to three counts of aggravated murder to avoid the death penalty,
but found was found dead in his jail cell in
two thousand fifteen from a self inflicted rule. I just
have to say, it's always too quiet in the suburbs
wherever you are, you know what I mean, It's always scary,
and I just feel like I'm never safe, Like there
(13:21):
are too many crazy people in the city. But then
when you go to the suburbs to get away from
all the crazy people, it's too quiet and that's creepy,
you know. It's like, where are you safe? On a
spaceship with Jeff Bezos and Mars. I definitely don't think so. Really,
I would let him impregnant me. Of course you would.
You're like, what's his name's wife? You're like Robert Durst's wife. Yeah,
(13:45):
I'm just worried about the money. I'm like, and don't
let that man be a lawyer. He'll take all the money.
I love that woman, by the way, I believe me.
I remember, and I'll never after my own heart. I
can't after this episode no one will ever marry Well,
(14:15):
after what you suggesting that we do this episode and
me not knowing anything about the Cecil Hotel and having
to learn everything about it in the past four eight hours,
I am so beyond obsessed. I feel like I thought
you're gonna say you're gonna break up with me, but
you went the other way. No, I loved. I loved
this one. You're welcome. Loved some of the others was
(14:39):
hard for me, but oh my god, absolutely loved this one.
Do you like well? So really briefly, so these are
this is not a Halloween murder, but this is a
this is hotel Halloween. There's always a murder happening at
this hotel. I even so when you watched the documentary,
(15:00):
first of all, they call it hotel death. The fact
that there's a question of is there a room that
someone hasn't died in? You don't want to be asking
that question or receiving that question, especially as the manager
of the hotel. Why would you continue to work there?
While you're talking about the manager of the hotel, she
gave me some real shady vibes, shady af like, just
(15:23):
even the way she talked about it and then she
kept calling the hotel of her I'm like, how do
you know? Did you ask the hotel? It's pronounced like
I just don't believe that, you know, And I thought
beyond shady was that they Okay, So to let you
guys know that the hotel was super dangerous. Multiple crimes
(15:43):
happened within this hotel. So what they did was, because
they got so many bad reviews, they created another hotel
inside of this hotel with a different entrance that was
called what was it called Leah Stand Maine Stay On Maine.
But the worst part about it is they still had
to share a hotel. I mean, that's an elevator. Wait, okay,
first of all, let me just say the Cecil Hotel
(16:06):
is in downtown l A, right next to skid Row,
and it is essentially haunted, right, so so many people
have committed suicide, their serial killers have lived there, like
Richard Ramras, which we'll get into in a second. And
the funny thing is that the the actual lobby is
(16:26):
so beautiful and the outside the building is beautiful, and
on the inside it's filled with murderers. It's kind of
like the but then the rooms, the rooms are disgusting Yeah,
the Cecil hotels, just like me, looks fine on the outside,
but the inside is a big old mess, very dead one,
(16:47):
full of problems, full of problems have stayed there. No,
over four thousand killer men have stayed back. Oh I
almost just said something very disturbing, but it would have
gotten cut. But um, god, I hate censoring myself. Look Um,
(17:07):
first of all, I'll just say this. I think that
if you love shopping, you go to the mall. If
you love murder, you go to the Hotel Cecil. Some
of these people were not even meaning to stay at
the Hotel Cecil, like Elisa Lamb, for example. She thought
she was staying on Maine, and then the hotel even
(17:31):
flagged her as somebody with concerning behavior and moved her
out of her shared living area into her own room.
So Hotel Cecil slash Day on Maine knew that things
were not good. Well, let's just dive right into the
Elizel Lamb case. Okay. It is absolutely disturbing for those
(17:54):
of you who know nothing about this case. So essentially
we'll just say that they chalked up her death to
mental illness and accidental suicide. However, there are a lot
of conspiracy theories about her death. So she was Canadian
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and she moved to the States where she was going
to be a student, and she stayed at the Cecil
Hotel downtown because it was affordable, and just like Teddy said,
she was in a shared room and she had a
lot of odd behavior, and so she was put in
her own private room. If you have odd behavior at
(18:39):
the Cecil Hotel, you're probably a murderer, right in honestly, yeah.
I mean the fact that they're saying that she was
disturbing people lets me know that she was probably at
that point, aren't You shouldn't the manager of the hotel.
If you have to do that, then maybe called the
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authorities and alert them, or maybe it seems like they
weren't really alerting the authorities when they had a serial
killer on their premises. So kind of seems like a
safe place for people who are unwell. The part that
made me really sad is she was really on was
it Tumbler? She was on Tumbler a lot, and she
was sharing her emotions and sharing like how she was
(19:23):
struggling mentally and certain medications would work, and then she'd
have days where she couldn't leave her bed, and so
it's like there was multiple cries for help. She was
also diagnosed by Pohler correct and then unable to find
a medication that is able to help her. And but
the one thing that they didn't mention in the documentary
(19:44):
is if you stop a medication immediately, you have suicidal tendencies.
Antidepressant like they I mean, I've been on antidepressants before
and on them like when you're going off, they make
you taper off in a certain way because if not,
it creates withdrawal, with not just withdrawal, but like it
(20:08):
says like one of the side effects can be suicidal thoughts.
So I mean I do. I mean, you've got to
explain the elevator and what happened in the elevator and
her missing and then he never as I know, and
then we'll get more into you know, of course, what
I think as someone who will probably never be off antidepressants.
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First of all, let me just say very pro taking
care of your mental health, therapy, psychiatry, whatever works for you.
But don't do nothing. That's my advice. I think getting
help is the right way to go and does not
make you weak. I think it makes you much stronger.
Thank God for Dr Kleinberg, Doctor Feldstein. I'm just naming Jews.
(20:53):
They're not actually my doctor, but I you know all
the people in my life who keep me medicated and alive, loved,
all of you, you know who you are. Okay, So,
first of all, Alisa Lamb's death her is still very
odd and suspicious. Right, the toxicology tests and the autopsy
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came back saying that she didn't have any drugs in
her system, and they ruled it an accidental drowning. And
they found her body in a water tank at the
roof of the building. And people only realized because their
water started turning brown and people started complaining and they
were literally drinking water with rotting human corpse. Okay, but
(21:45):
then there's more. So there's I mean, that's just the
tip of the iceberg. First of all, it would take
so much for her to accidentally drop into the water tank.
And also she was found without her clothes on in
the water tank. A lot of people say that when
(22:06):
you start to have hypothermia, you actually take your off.
It's a thing. It's not just you know, you don't
feel like getting naked. Well, that's also when you're in
an igloo, you're supposed to take your clothes off, but
also if you're trying to get out of something like that,
because I feel it's about to go into I once
dated an Eskimo and that's what he told. Now that's
(22:31):
where you now, it's going to go there it maybe
we may have gotten through it without Yeah, it wasn't
even my fault, only thank you. But they so misreported
and they said in like the news reports that the
water tank was open, but it was actually closed, so
that misreporting was actually a big snaff foo um. And
(22:55):
they have footage of her in the elevator where it
looks she walks into the elevator and she almost calm
at first, but then all of a sudden you see
her like pressing all the buttons and doing these things
with her hands. And then they show a clip of
the elevator door closing and her whipping her head around.
But then it looks like part of the footage has
been taken out like that. They you see it start
(23:16):
to close and then it so but you never see
how the person here. It's sped up. They've completely made
the time stamp unreadable so that you can't even see
what time it's at. There are theories that you see
a shoe like a like the heel of another person's
shoe in the footage briefly, and also, I do want
(23:36):
to just just go back for two seconds because I
feel like we missed um a couple of essential moments.
So Alisa on Tumblr also mentioned, you know that she
was going out and meeting people, and we also know
that the hotel was filled with questionable characters, so we
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don't know if she was romantically involved with someone. We
don't know if there was someone in the hotel who
was chasing her. We don't know if she was just
off her meds and actually having a complete breakdown. But
what happened the night of her disappearance was that the
last tape that they have of her is her going
into the elevator acting suspicious, which will come back to
(24:19):
you in a second, and then disappearing, and then there's
no more footage of her. But then several weeks later
they find her dead body in a water tank and
the only way for her to have gotten onto the
hotel roof undetected. She would have either gone through a
locked an alarmed door, but the alarm never went off
or through a fire escape on the side of the building.
(24:41):
Then she would have had to climb to the top
of the water tank platform up a ten foot ladder
and then lifted a super heavy water tank lid and
then sliding inside and then somehow latching it closed, but
it was open. There are a lot of details that
seem left out and complicated, and also it just seems
(25:09):
very difficult to do all of that um and have
it just be by yourself and not assisted by another person.
But they never found evidence of DNA of anyone else around,
and it probably would have had to just be a
solo act. And while we're on the topic of some
(25:29):
of the different conspiracy theories, there was a man who
stayed in the hotel Cecil and he was like, I'm
gonna maybe say this wrong, but he was a musician,
but it was like he was the type of musician
where he was like it was very bloody and gory,
and he was like he came through and did an
interview in the documentary and he said that he started
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being accused of the person that did the murder because
he stayed in the hotel and nobody did enough research
to realize that he stayed in the hotel a year
prior to her even being there. They would never even
overlap time frames. But he was then accused of being
the person that murdered her, and it got to the
point where he was so attacked and so people were
(26:13):
just you know, all over him that he got to
the point where he tried to commit suicide and then
he had to be institutionalized. So that's where they also
say that like if you stay in that hotel, there's
just so much that carries Yeah, you're cursed. But also
where this conspiracy theory has led to somebody else having
major mental health issues and he didn't even know her.
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I just want to say, this is very one of
you to make a case about a woman about a
man that has nothing to do with this. He was
dying inside. I'm watching him wanting to say anything, but
in true fashion, Dmitri has not been given permission to
speak yet. Or he's just smart and to know when
(27:01):
to gosh of water. Let's go a little water break. Okay,
let's go back to the elevator. So the elevator footage
is the last footage they have of her alive. And
like I said, and like you've mentioned the tape was
obviously tampered with. The time stamp is unreadable, which is
(27:26):
done intentionally. There is clearly pieces of footage removed from it,
and we can't tell at what piece the footage is
because if you play it at different speeds, it could
seem normal, and if you play at other speeds that
seems super abnormal. So the elevator footage shows her going
(27:47):
into the elevator, pushing a bunch of buttons. Already bizarre, right,
she looks at the elevator, She moves back into a corner,
then she steps outside, waves her hands about kind of
like a weird majestic way where it looks like she's
conjuring a spirit. Something odd is happening. The hand gestures
are weird. The elevator doesn't go anywhere, so we don't
(28:07):
know if that means someone's pushing the elevator button holding
it there. We just we actually have a lot of answers.
We actually have a lot of questions, and no answers
is what I meant to say, Okay, and then we
I don't think at any point she seems scared, but
we do see her kind of speaking and jumping out
(28:28):
of the elevator and then vanishing. You have to note
the speaking thing. Her parents said that that is something
that had happened with her in the past when she
was struggling and she would go off for medication, she
would start to, uh have a psychosis where she thought
she saw things, and so anything is possible. But I'm
(28:50):
just we have to we have to show all the sides.
And you know, we appreciate the fact that you are
emotionally available enough to share all the sides, because I
I'm not um so okay. So now one of the
theories is and if you go and read it, and
you're a readitor like me, you will notice that the
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Elevator game is something that everyone brings up. What is
the Elevator game? You ask? Thank you so much for asking.
I really appreciate it. So the Elevator gave originated in Korea,
and it's actually a game that's played thirty three thousand
times a month a month. And now when I tell
you what it is, you're gonna wonder why there are
(29:34):
thirty three thousand disturbed people out there trying to play
this game. Okay, The Elevator game is a game where
you have to play a alone and be you have
to play with a building that has at least ten
stories in it and has an elevator. Those are that
(29:54):
that's the bare minimum, and if you ascend and descend
in a very specifical or or in the elevator to
certain floors, there is a chance that you get transported
to another dimension. Now, this other dimension, what is it?
Like you ask? Not heaven? It is literally hell. So
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people have said that when you get out on the
tenth floor, which if you make it to the tenth floor,
the elevator will choose whether or not you get to
go to the other dimension. If you go there, there's
a red glowing cross in the distance. It's super dark.
It seems like our world but slightly different, and there's
nothing to gain besides being lost in this other dimension
(30:39):
and just knowing that it exists. There are literally no
pros cons. Teddy, I'm asking you not to do this.
This is a no for me on my my ex.
Let me just share really quickly. Um, shall we give
your ex's names, like just even fay ones, because seem
(31:02):
like there's one person and like we clearly it's not.
Maybe we picked the top five and just named them,
but just thing is that, like, I really haven't dated
that many people. Sure, and I'm a natural blonde. Come on,
natural blonde. They've never had continue See, this is one
(31:25):
of those times where I'm not supposed to say anything,
so I would thank you, Dmitri. So I was telling
my X about this game and we just talked about it,
and he refused to tell me that he wouldn't not
play it. So and I was begging. I was like,
I'm just telling you about it, but I'm not telling
you to do it. Please don't do it. Do not
(31:45):
play this game. Whatever you do, do not play this game.
And he could not be talked out of it. He
didn't end up playing it, but he did end up
in the hospital with a bowel obstruction. No, not dimension,
But hold on, who's telling us what this looks to?
(32:06):
A boul dimension? Are these people? Like do people come
back from this? Like how do we know what they see? That? This?
The whole thing sounds ridiculous. And he didn't even play it,
but something bad happened to him. So what I'm We'll
tell you a little bit more about the game, but
please don't play the game. Don't go looking for When
we were younger, and we like taught ourselves how to faint,
(32:28):
and then everybody's like, whatever you do, don't do the
fainting game. You guys never did this. It was like
a big thing. Well I'm so much older than you.
But in the eighties where you like lean over and
you go and then you have your friend push on
you and then you faint. It was like a big
We had to have like a memo go out in
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our school that like, we were not if we found
out that any of us were making each other faint,
that we would get suspended. Did anyone die from that?
No one that I know, But then that came out
that somebody died, so then we all stopped. But I mean,
what the hell? But that's why I'm worried. Like people
here and try things, but thankfully I don't think this exists.
This dimension to the instructive bowel is enough to scare
(33:12):
enough people off. I'm not trying this. If the if
the alternate dimension didn't that will well was it the
alternate dimension or did he just swallow his feelings for me?
I think you're so blinded by love that you're willing
to give that. Maybe he just had a bowel instruction
like need maybe he had like a gerbil fetish. I mean, okay,
(33:34):
gross number one, I don't know. You don't remember that
story as someone who has maybe allegedly had sex with
this person. I don't think he has a devil allegedly,
But I'm disturbed. I don't. I don't. I don't know.
If I can go on, I think that might be best. Well,
(33:58):
how we have to end with hotels? So but I
have to ask you guys, would if they reopen, would
you guys ever stay there? No? Okay, I would go
if we if we went and did a podcast from there,
I would do that. But I wouldn't just like go
there by myself. But we couldn't above the room. Apparently
the higher up the rooms, the more dangerous the place was,
and the the less the police would come if they
(34:20):
said this was like on the tenth floor, the leventh
floor or whatever, because that they've got more dangerous and
they were more expensive less expensive the higher up. Can
I just really briefly say, if you google the elevator
game and you check out what people have said, they
were like, I'm haunted, I'm so help me, let me
just so so I'm not even I'm not going to
(34:42):
tell you what order to go in in the elevators,
but all I will tell you is that apparently you
get onto the fifth floor, and you are not supposed
to look at a woman who gets on the elevator.
She may or may not get on the elevator, but
if she does, you are not allowed to look at her.
And if you look at her, and apparently she may
(35:06):
or may not appear with someone, you know, she'll try
to talk to you, she might ask her help, she
might start screaming. You don't know how she'll appear. But
once you look at her, you're basically like damned for eternity.
And there are lots of people on YouTube who claim
to be doing this game, but none of your electronics
will work. And if they bring electronics in then it
doesn't actually work. So especially if you go in they're
(35:29):
saying I I really, but people say that this woman
they think, so essentially they go to the tenth floor
or not, but they go back to the first floor
and you get let out, and then your everyday life
is haunted if you have if you have played the
game wrong. And on the internet, everything on the internet
(35:50):
is true. One million I mean upset that we don't
believe when people say, if you go to the fifth floor, Um,
but woman may or may not appear. It's like any
time you leave it may or may not. It's like, okay,
so you could just be making it up. Yeah, but
that's like I may or may not come to the
(36:12):
dinner you invited me to. But I elevator games start
at the Hotel Cecil. No, it started in Korea many
many moons ago. It's just something that they thought she
was playing. They thought she was playing out so when
they when she was speaking, they thought that she was
speaking to the woman on the fifth floor and we
couldn't see her, and that she entered, and that she
(36:33):
was raptured, I guess, or taken by this evil demon
and then put into the water tank and murdered by
this evil spirit. Do you also find it odd that
the night stalker stayed at the Hotel Cecil? Yeah? I
find it all that Richard ramras Um, can you let
(36:53):
me be wrong? No, ramerous god, I mean that guy
would come back to the hotel covered in blood. He
was sentenced to death nineteen times, Like if you've been
sentenced to death nineteen times? Pretty sure, you're going straight
to hell. And he I just looked at up. He
(37:14):
died into cancer of cancer. Yeah, he might actually be
Satan himself. He was. They did a bunch of movies
on him where they made him really look like he
was really good looking too. Why do you always do that?
I don't glamorize murder. I I absolutely do not understand.
I mean, speaking of hot, I wish I didn't think
(37:34):
Ed Gaen was hot. Stop. I can't with Ed Dean.
I know I like the transition though, but I really
I there were parts when I was listening and now
I'm gonna regret saying this, there was parts when I
started listening to some of the podcasts about Ed Dean
and reading about him where I felt really sad the
(37:55):
way he was raised. Do you guys know who Ed
Gaine is? I'm sure Leo wants to do his official
and no, no, no, no, no, we all know who
Ed Gaine is. But I do think and by we
all know, I mean not all of us know. And Teddy,
we would love for you us, We would love for
you us, We would love for you to introduce him
to us. However, I think let's just take a quick
(38:15):
break and then we'll come back to ed Gaine. How
does that sound for everyone? That sounds good? Okay, time
to go pp p RB. Sorry to me. I mean
we could just say we're taking breaking whatever you need
to do during that time. It is cool. We don't
have to say that. But maybe some people need to
go to the bathroom. Like your ex boyfriend with the
bat obstruction. He couldn't go to the bathroom. He was
(38:38):
considab That's how I know. We were just like old
for app brothers. I'm like, you're letting me know you
can't go to the bathroom. I mean, this is just
it's over. Romance is dead. So eyes were back and
(39:01):
we're all having a little laugh because I was chatting
with them about how disgusting this picture was of me
that was posted, and he was like, I think you
look good, and I said I looked like one of
Ed Geen's lampshades. For those of you don't know Ed Geene, well,
his backstory was he grew up in a repressive household
(39:22):
controlled by a dominant mother. Following her death in nineteen
forty five, his mental health got worse and worse, and
Geen was apprehended as a suspect in a nineteen fifty
seven murder. The investigation of his home yielded a highly
disturbed man who kept human organs and fashion clothing and
accessory out of body parts and skin. Yeah, he spent
(39:46):
the rest of his life institutionalized. His story began fueling
the inspiration of such famous movies movie characters as Norman
Bates from Psycho, Buffalo Bill from Signs of the Lambs,
and leather Face from The Texas Chainsaw Master. Which is
why we're talking about this on our Halloween episode because
how creepy is that? And also feel free to weigh
in if you guys think that my face looks like
(40:07):
one of Edgean's lampshades. Oh maybe he was just very
fashion forward. And I think I think ed Geane would
love to have your type of face on a lampshade.
But I don't think God Jemitri is this compliment Cheddy
Jay is this compliment Teddy in the scariest way possible.
And I'm stand on a lamp shade and fairness, you
(40:29):
set you set the conversation up this way. It's not
like I was like, Hey, do you want to talk
about human lampshades? You guys said it there, and I
just said, you're making it seem like you have no
control over your thoughts and words. What should I say here? Wait? Okay? Also,
I want to highlight the fact that ed Gean had
a very controlling religious mother, because I do think that
(40:52):
I will be this type of mother, and therefore I
probably shouldn't have children. But you said that you hated
the suburbs so you couldn't heat. She moved their family
out from like even like a little small town that
they lived in, out to like far far far, into
this farm area where she was controlling. He wasn't allowed
to have friends. Anytime he brought a friend over, she
(41:12):
would tell him all the reasons why they couldn't be friends.
So the only person he really had any relationship was
with her. And he had an alcoholic father, who correct
me if I'm wrong, ended up passing away or no
longer lived with I can't even remember. But the point
is like, which always brings me back to the other
(41:33):
questions of like was he born that way or was
this because of something that you know? Growing up the
way he did? You know they say superheroes aren't made,
they're born. Well, I'm not sure. We call ed Dean
a super superhero, and and I was gonna say in
super villains are also not born. There made I think, Look,
(42:00):
there's a through line of all of these serial killers,
John Wayne gaycy Gary Ridgeway, ed Geane, Robert Durst, Jeffrey Dahmer.
They all had very disturbed childhoods and very um terrifying
upbringings where either their parents had depression or bipolar or
(42:23):
attempted suicide or murdered or did commit suicide or super Yeah,
there's always some sort of through line between all of
these people, and most of them were never offered any
sort of help, or didn't receive any or were told
to like to suppress it and cover it up, as
most of us are told. I have a problem when
(42:46):
you lump yourself back in with the serial killers we're
talking about. I really I have to look down when
it happens, because I know my reaction is not going
to be the best. So it's best just I look
down and pretend I'm focusing on the next thing, my
next transition. Okay, Okay, but I will say this, this
ed So ed Geen is, like you said, he inspired
(43:08):
a lot of movie characters and he because he would
dress up, he would wear the skins of these other
people and skulls and pretend to be his mother, which
is so mortifying. And he left her room exactly the
way it was when she died. So that's where the
Norman Bates then comes in. He left it it was pristine,
(43:29):
and the rest of his house was in shambles. Put
the lotion in the basket. Somethinking about that too. I
think I don't know if you guys, have you ever
heard of the Madonna horror complex now, so the Madonna
work complex. Lots of men I've dated have had this.
It is, so I'm just gonna keep saying Madonna work.
(43:53):
So Madonna work complex is when men had a very
complicated relationship with their mother growing up, and they see
the mother or the person that they are in a
relationship with as the respected figure, and then they see
all other women as quote unquote horrors or people they
can have sex with, and then there is a disconnect
between being able to be romantically interested in someone that
(44:16):
you are physically interested in. And this I feel like
it's a very extreme case of that, where he respected
his mother so much and then you know he he
actually did admit to murdering at least one of the
women that they right, or did he admit to both murders. Well,
(44:36):
they found the body in his the one in his house, right,
and then he kept, you know, being found insane and
pleading insanity. But they found skulls, lambshades, chair upholsteries, waste
baskets all made from human skin, uh, skinned women hanging
on the bedroom wall, belt made of nipples, skulls on
(44:59):
the bedposts, leggings, a box full of women's private parts.
And he also admitted to digging up women. And so
obviously he had a very complicated relationship with women because
he wasn't murdering men from what I know. No, it
was always women. It's just mind. Nobody was going to
(45:22):
be measuring up to his mother or even though his
mother was a disaster, oh so disturbing. So he murdered
Baronice Warden. She was reported missing from her hardware store
and the cash register was also missing, and then they
just followed a trail of blood. Um, so he also
(45:43):
worked there. Correct, It sounds like that's true. Yeah, sounds
like it sounds like Teddy's on it. Teddy did her homework. Um.
And then they authorities went to his house that night
and found her headless and gooded, and her body was
hanging from the ceiling, which is disturbing to say the least. Uh.
(46:05):
And he also admitted to practicing necrophilia. So again, I
think we can very much chalk this up to an
extreme case of Madonna warr complex, among other things, and
mental illness. And um, he also murdered, didn't he murder?
He murdered another woman? Yeah, oh oh, Hogan, he murdered. Um,
(46:28):
you guys, I'm very with it today. I can see
a good thing. Thank you so much. Um, he murdered
another woman. And it's interesting because it was clear that
he was devoted to his mom, but he literally almost
never left home or dated other women except to murder people.
(46:50):
The fact that anybody was dating him, I don't know
if that is that confirmed. No, No, that he never
dated women. Okay, I was like, I know, but even
to murder them. I wouldn't know that we would call
this dating. I mean, you said I never dated women
when he murdered them, so I was like a fun
first date. O, my god, what point? Like, I just
(47:15):
I don't think it's considered a date lea deceased. I
don't don't, just don't respond to that, please, solely to
bring this all back into Halloween and Dmitri, can you
(47:37):
guys share your favorite Hollywood cult classic movies? I gotta
spell on you and now you're mind? Do you guys
know what that's from? No? Hocus Pocus, Oh hocus focus.
They haven't even shown that this year on my t V.
But the first of all, Bettman, there is a goddess
(48:00):
in my opinion of love love Sarah, Sarah Jessica Parker
early days loved her. I still love her. She's the best. Um. Okay,
so that's your favorite? What's your favorite? Dmitri? I don't know.
I think I I did like Psycho um, but I
think a Nightmare in Elm Street I thought was cool
(48:22):
because I liked the crossover between dreams and reality. Dream
Dream Dream Dream Dream? Are we making a CD here?
What's going on? I did you say we're making a CD?
I'm old? Okay, Eddy, why did you just become a
hundred years I'm a d This new eight track is
(48:44):
going to be fantastic. My first car was a Gremlin
and I had an eight track in it. Oh, Gremlins,
that was a good movie. I never saw it. You
guys are going to probably be a little upset with me,
considering I am one of the hosts of a true
crime podcast. I do not like horror movies. I like
true crime documentaries. I do not like horror movies. So
(49:06):
I have never seen Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The first horror
movie that I saw was Halloween, the New Halloween, because
my friend Kyle's in it, and I was so frightened
the whole time. I couldn't sleep all night. Like I
think you either have like, and she did an amazing job.
I think the movie is great. I just can't watch
(49:26):
them and sleep at night. But why is there something
wrong with me that I can watch true life ones? Yes?
Like that doesn't seem disturbing. Yes, And also I just
want to let you know I I'm going to be
very vulnerable right now and tell you guys that I
used to work in a Haltday Haunted where you wanted
(49:50):
like at the Universal where you scared people? No, no, no,
uh did you ever see Sleep No More? In New
York City the Immersive Theater experience. I'm a must to
miss that one. Teddy just shamed the entire theater industry
(50:12):
with one centis I'm like, I saw a chorus line,
all right, well, you're not invited to my Broadway show.
So um it was an immersive theater show and it
ran for September and October. This was a few years
back now, obviously pre pandemic, but um, it was very
(50:37):
interesting learning about how to scare people because there are
lots of different types of horror, their psychological horror. There's
easy scares, like something you would call it jump scare,
where you literally just pop out and scare someone you know,
and those often are scarier to me than a psychological
(50:58):
scare in the moment. But a psychological scare stays with
you forever. And that's why Teddy is afraid of horror
movies because they are like psychological scares. But murder documentaries
are kind of like jump scares where it just gets
you in the moment and you're like, ah, interesting, and
then you forget about it. But then psychological horrors stay
(51:21):
with you forever, and I think that's why you feel
like you're part of it and it never leaves you.
Well that makes sense, but I can tell you that
ever since joining this podcast. My husband's like, I am
so frightened. I come home and you've got nope, like
papers everywhere I see pictures of killers. You're like, look
like you haven't slept in weeks. Like He's like, I know,
(51:44):
like you're plotting to murder me. I'm like, guy, like
especially when Lee it throws Texas chainsaw massacre at me
last minute, knowing I never saw it. I had no
idea who genis. Okay, okay, So what's your favorite movie? Teddy?
(52:05):
You fit like a practical magic type of Halloween. Gal.
That was a creepy movie that was creepy, but like
it was like a love creepy like that it felt
more more real to me. I can't like the the
blood and the guts. I can't do it. I did
love Silence of the Lamps. You loved it, I mean
I watched it more than once. Oh my god, wait,
(52:28):
I'm sorry. Didn't Teddy just say that she can't watch
horror films and then she Silence? Which is on to me?
Horror films are like when it's gory and bloody. I
like psychological thrillers. That's also what my life is. Well,
(52:49):
we'll get into that next week, guys, because we've run
out of time for today. We have yes, oh we
didn't even get to the back. We didn't get to
the black dial, which gives me more time to research.
But also, can you, guys, choose a favor and send
(53:09):
us in any of your recommendations for your favorite Halloween
movies and we will post them on our Graham because
ones that are kids appropriate as well, because for some
of you, all moms out there that are like me,
but kid appropriate and also the gorious to the gore,
I will say that I don't think that there are
any horror movies that are appropriate for children. I watched
an episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark when
(53:30):
I was a kid, and I remember telling my mom,
I fine, it doesn't upset me, And then of course
I wasn't fine, and it did upset me, and I
still have recurring nightmares. And it wasn't even that scary,
just a child vanished into a vampire's cape for eternity.
But other than that, I think it might explain a
(53:51):
lot about me as a person and why I am
the way I am. This episode was off the chain,
saw massacre and I'm I I'm in a place. I
was an action when we started, and now I'm really
in a place. On that On that note, guys, on
that jingle, we have to go for this week, But
(54:13):
don't you worry, get back and send into it. Lee
is like, I need to get another joke and give it.
Give it to me. This is mental illness, the fact
that I refuse to let go. I'm like the fact
I have a You know how I am with time.
I know you're very punctual. Can I just say, everyone,
(54:36):
please call in eight six six twenty one crime. That's
not the official jingle, but it's our official number. Please
call in. Leave us messages. We'll even read. If you
think of something clever, we'll even read them and answer them.
Why we're here, and that again is eight six six
(54:58):
crime twenty one is how old me and Teddy both are,
so it'll be easy to remember. Oh why do you
have to be I mean, I thought we were getting
along today, but now I have to shade me at
the end. But yeah, call us you guys, because you
already said your first car was a gremlin. No one's
(55:19):
gonna be like, oh how hard you are to break
up with At the end of the date, I mean
a podcast like the ending is so literally it's like
pulling Brian Laundry's teeth to get off the phone with
you guys. Speaking of which, just real, real fast. They
have not let us know if the DNA in the
(55:39):
partial remains besides the teeth are whether they are confirmed
to be Brian Laundries or not. So we are still
waiting at that information, and so stay tuned for next episode.
We'll be we'll be digging into that for sure. But
please do not leave a voicemail asking me on a date,
because if you've listened to this podcast and you still
want to date me, there's something wrong with you, and
I will not say yes. And we can't count higher
(56:00):
than a five thousand. Thank you, bye, ony of you guys.
It's real time ground it real time grond I mean,
is it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything? Or
is that just the thing we say? It's a thing
we say, got it? Okay, see you next week for
more real time crime, only on I Heart Radio.
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