June 23, 2025 • 42 mins
Crusaders have been crowned Champions again, the British and Irish Lions swamped by fans on arrival in Perth and the Wallabies get down to business in Sydney. Sean Maloney, Matt Burke & Morgan Turinui
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hallo team and welcome in for what is a massive
episode that between two posts, the British and Irish lives
have landed in Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Here they are here, come.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
On and to talk about what's to come for the
next six weeks. What happened on the week in the
Subbrubby Pacific GF Morgan Turnui, Matt Bergman, Welcome. How good
it's like Christmas in late June? The twelve year wait
is over?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
If Christmas goes for a month? Can't wait? Did we
turn a couple away at Customs and Border Control? Surely
they are surely we checked their papers.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Do you remember I'm going to throw it back to
remember when Eddie Jones came with England and they searched
his bags for an hour beforehand before he came out.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I hope they can him just a little bit of
niggle on the way through as well. Massive squad coming
down game over the weekend. We'll have a look at
it a bit later. But so excited.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
We've been talking about this for years from a spectators
level and the anticipation of the amount of people that
are going to come down.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'm so pumped for this.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That's the thing to it even now. You'll see they
are going to be mobbed by people everywhere they go.
They'll be kids outside their hotel. They'll be sixty five
year old you know, Welsh grandfathers who are acting like
kids as well. Just start struck by the British and
Irish lines being on home soil here in Australia for us.
And you know, I think anyone who's got some Irish
heritage or English heritage, that that accent gets a little
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bit stronger the next month. It's an exciting times.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Generaldy is it's a mini World Cup in terms of
the energy and atmosphere that we're going to have over
the next period of time.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Like that's what we're talking here. It's going to be
that up for the next six weeks. It's insane.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
An old school tour, like just game after game after
game after game leading to three test matches. And that's
how that's how we used to play it back in
the day.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Did you do the old.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
School tour a few Oh, you have the midweek a game.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
The midwik a game, and then you have to back up.
If you're playing on the weekend, your.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Bench backs up on the test match on the week.
The good thing is you couldn't get flogged too much
by the coaches because we're playing all the time that
we did.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Greg Smith as a coach, Yes.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
It's going to be huge. What are we thinking for
game one?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I mean we're going to go in a bit more
detail a bit later around how many lines fans will
be on deck at Optus on Saturday night.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Big turnout, We'll huge because.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
There's already lots of expats in Perth. Big expat spot
it is in Perth, and so that's going to be
the big thing too, is just being aware how much
support the lines receive. So there's a lot of responsibility
on us and all Australians to get on board quickly
because otherwise the two thousand and one lesson of Test one,
where where Australia feels like you're away from home, will
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be another lesson that leeds to we learned.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And it's that red jersey, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
There's that iconic red jersey that people chasing, people support
and you're right if you've got if you've got a
little bit of heritage there, the jersey will come out
and people will support and it won't be the band
playing at four thirty in the morning, just be cheering
away like when we used to have.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It on overseas tours. It'll just be. It'll be applause
and hang outside you talk.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
World.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Can't remember we're in Leon for that Wallaby's Whales game. Yes,
and that was there was no sleep night before the game.
It was well singing all the way through the night
in Santraville in Leon. It's going to be like that
all over Australia. And we're going to have a look
at the course of that Argentina lines game. In a
moment you mentioned the Red Jerseys. Have a look at
all of the jerseys in the crowd. They just want
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to be in the colors of their team.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No sleep till Home Bush should be the patch cry
for the next six weeks.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
No sleep still Home Bush Men.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
We're going to talk about their first up loss against
Argentina a little later in the show.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
We're going to start with a Super Rugby Final.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Thank you to the Chiefs and Chris Adders for putting
together another thrilling Super Rugby.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Final as well.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Boys tied at the end, just the one score separating
for two sides Morgues, but it's the Red and Black.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
To get it done again against them. Well are we
thinking except.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
For Atka except yeah, yeah, I read a broken clock
is right twice a day.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I read something.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I read something saying if in doubt, you know, picked
the Crusaders.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
They were. They did their job, They worked the tactics
of the Chiefs out.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
They snuck over for that Cody Taylor try and on
the left hand side was just a bit of sort
of fortune down the side there Reversrahana kicked his goal,
kicked that conversion, which is really important. From that, From that,
Cody Trailer try control the game pretty well, but they
I think.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The Chiefs handed it to them.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
At the same time, they were Yeah, that's exactly right.
There were some moments in this game where they just
they lost the understanding of how to play and how
to create territory and possession as well.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, it was interesting. You've exactly hit the nail on
the head there, Burkie, that the Crusaders were able to
make the Chiefs play the game they wanted to play.
Chiefs need speed in the game, And if you sat
through and watch that with us on the weekend, you
just saw that the Chiefs really struggled to impose themselves
on the match and impose their style of play on
the match. The amount of pressure put on Damian McKenzie
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was immense and that worked well for the Crusaders. I
think five or six scrum penalties to the Crusaders and
they won the aerial battle and that's how they won
the title. Nothing is actually almost the opposite of what
we saw in Super Rugby this year with the amount
of tries and expensive play. The last couple of weeks
of Super Rugby was sudden death rugby, maybe a lesson
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for the Test rugby to come. Crusaders played finals footy
once again better than anyone else.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
How important is it also to kick your goals like
you know, I know that's tough, but you've got to
be able to knock them over like you know, and
you hadn't had to kick for a while.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But you've got to convert, you've got to.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Put your threes on, you've got to put your five
to sevens and you know, when it comes down to it,
and you're right, I reckon this will be a big
part of it in this Test series that's coming up
as well.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
They had such a good op tunity early in that
second half, they charged Tubo VI charges down hope them,
they scoop it up.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
They not five from the line, You go, how are
they not going to score here?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And somehow the Crusaders scrambled turn them away, I think
even when a penalty not long after that, and that
was basically it. So what did the Crusaders do well
across the back end of that game to snuff out
any hope of the Chiefs winning that title?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
For me, it was the double box kick near the
end of the game when they went territory territory they
got it. I think it was Mackenzie took the ball
in on the on the first catch. He then there
was a box kick again, and it was just creating territory,
like you just you just know that you have to
be down that end of the field, not down that
in the field because there's a chance to kick a goal.
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So it was just I think they played a bit smarter,
if that's if that's the simple way of looking at it.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They got around the park a.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Little bit better, there were some good kicking options that
they did with Rayhannah.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And they just played a little bit better.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Even even Jordan at the back was able to just
sort of punch a couple sliding deck in a wet ground,
just make it difficult ball hit.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The ground a fair but at the time just puts
pressure on fullbacks.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
How big is Will Jordan and why is he so good?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think there's a couple of He's quick, buck, he's fast, right,
and he's also able to maintain that speed while changing direction,
swerves and steps and maintains power and speed through contact.
So you've got to get all of him when you're tackling.
He doesn't look physically imposing on some of the other
big back three players we have, but the amount of
force he's able to put through contact because he's such
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a balance runner and he does the basics right, and
he does the basics right time and time again. His
kick receipt and organization of back three, coupled with his
attacking kick chase and aerial battle, I think that was
a huge part of the reason they win this game.
That's a turnover. If the Chiefs get it middle of
the park, they can try and get some of that
speed into the game that we talked about playoff unstructured play,
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which they want to, but he took that away from them,
and there's a little bit of a cause effect from
what Burkey is saying. McKenzie misses a goal to get
the Chiefs in front, it's a different game. If the
Crusaders are chasing the game, they're not able to do
what they did there. So the Crusaders are able to
play like front runners, and the Chiefs the onus was
on them. Okay, we'll kick the ball to you. Chiefs,
what are you going to do? You're going to run
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it back eighty or you're going to give the ball
back to Will Jordan to make you play again.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
There's that proactive in reactive kicking, isn't there? And I
think the Chiefs were reacting to the situation having to
sort of put pressure on themselves to.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Be able to get out of territory.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Crusaders were able just to ping the corners and it
was a game of chess out there, and they were
playing it much better.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
James I kind of comes on and it's checkmate in
favor of the Crusaders at the back end. What about
him after all those many years of super Robi booting eight.
I'm pretty sure it was ahead of his test taboo
in Padaua in Italy with quite alongside. I think we're
going back to our eight. I mean, what a journey.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
It's speaking for him, it's twenty twenty five, now, what.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
A journey, and sneaking left hand side with about a
minute and a half to play, he got his hand
on the ball and sort of you know, contributed a
bit in that final. But I think his contribution throughout
the year has been great. You know, he spoke about
his role has been the experienced player when we spoke
him the other week about sort of you know, the
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brains trust of being able to sort of you know,
coordinate chat going back and forth and really throwing it
up and being abracive. I suppose you could say, as
you mentioned, but he's just got some he's just got
some calmness about him. He's got some maturity about him.
I think that's that's one of the one of the
great things that obviously the Crusader saw in.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Him in that chat with him.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Did it come up what happened in terms where he
was going to live in christ Church when he lobbed there.
Did that come up? I'm sure we mind me sharing
the story. So we had him as part of our
coverage last year throughout the Spring tour, come in what
game it was? He was in here with us, but
it was awesome having Jock on deck. And he was
just going through that process and moving over to christ
Church and had found a place that he and his
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partner wanted us stay in. And they had the manager
who was helping him and facility hating it. And he said,
we found a place and they said, oh, yeah, okay,
but we've got some other spots. And he said that okay,
but we kind of really want this spot, and sort
of goes back and forth a couple of times, and
and then eventually the Crusaders kind of gently say.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
We don't stay in that spot. That's not what we're about.
That's not what we're about.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
We're all in these pockets of suburbs around christ Church
so that we have that sense of family togetherness. Your
partner will be able to hang out with Rivers's girlfriend
as an example, you know, just an example, Sev's family
down the road there, and so they're they're pocketed and
they're tight knit in that way shape and form off
field as well, which I found fascinating. He goes, oh, okay, sweet,
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of course, I'll go where you want me to so
he's made it work over there really nicely.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Maybe that's a part of I look at newsath last
you're a ram mckway when Northern Beach as a way,
you've got Cronulla, everyone's sort of probably too far apart.
So you could see why that that cohesion is a
part of it as well.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
And we said with the Brumbisi and Hamburg as well,
that sort of stuff just geographically to get a lot. Yeah,
but the brave decision from James Oconna could have looked
overseas again, gone and tried to earn some money at
the back end. But I was a guy who still
wanted to improve, still wanted to learn. He would have
learned so much this season, as we discussed with him
last week. But he into the final and then ends
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up being a champion. He was their closer. He was
coming at the end, manage the team around the park,
her crew points when needed. He did it really well.
He was a crucial part of their title win from
the season.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
What about Rob Penny. Rob Penny just be smiling into it.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
They were ninth last year, they finished ninth and now
a bit of cattle back and away we go. Mertz
was quick to remind us all believe Metz was very quick.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
He was very chirky on what's happening.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
The Crusader's account blessed him as well. When they saw
that we posted.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Chief Chief Chief Chief Chief Chief and at.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
COO's gone Crusaders. The Crusaders wrote up, Michael is our
favorite presenter anyway. I was like, it's good, good on
you guys. So the Chiefs suffer a third straight Grand
Final loss.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
What for them now with CLATMMT and moving on coach
leaving might be tricky.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
They'll still be there and thereabouts. They're the same. They
look at their list, what's the lessons they learned from
this season? Really, they probably paid the price for not
hosting the final that's the big one, that Week one
finals against the Blues. I think they will rue that,
But in terms of their play and their game, it's
it's probably what's our plan be going to be in
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a match like that. You know, the physical nature of
that game is very similar to the loss of the Blues,
which was a fortnight before. So there's two teams that
were able to stifle them, were able to beat them
when it counted, So there's you know, they'll come top
two or three next year they'll be thereabouts. They've got
the cattle, of course, can they learn the lesson of scrum,
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breakdown and territory how that final was won?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
A new coach come in then more God ask you
this is your domain? Does he come in and change
up everything? Or is it a Chiefs wave of playing
because the coach wanted to get their fingerprints.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
All right, you're not coming in and taking over them.
That won the spoon, so you don't need to change everything.
I think it's a great team to come into because
it would have been tough to come in up of
just winning the camp. So if you're the new coach,
you come in, you go okay, this is what we
need to do to take the next that We are
not rebuilding a pyramid here, yep, we are just putting
the capstone on top.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Next up, fellas for a lot of those men that
were on display on the weekend will be the all
backs up against France. Five debutantes in Scott Robinson squad.
I'll quickly give those too, Oline Norris, Brodie mcalsro out
of the Chiefs, Fabian Hole and the big boy from
the hiwnas our man, Timothy taba taba. Now I get
a spot and finally do per see carey fear.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Our favorite Hurry Kane gets a shot as well.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So they've got France coming up through June.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
You know what we've got through the end of June.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I'm talking this weekend and July and the rest that'll
be the British and Irish lines who went down on
the weekend to Argentina. Now, the last time these two
sides met was ahead of the two thousand and five
tour of New Zealand where it was a twenty five
all draw.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I'm pretty sure it took some Wilkins and magic late
to draw it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
However, going to this game, it's in Dublin, Argentina are
missing nine of their best.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You're thinking Puma is going to get pounded here.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
The algorithm had them is eighteen point underdogs and then
explain to the good people at home what happens fellas.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
More you use some of that well when you talk
about the four the four countries coming together and you've
got to find that cohesion, and that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It was just clunky on the weekend.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
You know, there was a there was miss reads, there
was holes down the middle when they were running. You know,
you talk about effort areas at the same time, it
was just sort of you know, wrong shape, wrong time,
wrong position, wrong time, wrong place, wrong time, and well,
don't take anything away from Argentina, eve though I thought
they played outstanding rugby, but it was a case of
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I think that clunkiness was basically that the ability to
play in a game at high tempo for the first
for the first time, and they got shown up there.
I mean this one, I wrack around the corner, the
forwards didn't roll around the corner too much. There's a
poor read from the from the wing of their freemen,
and they're just some good feet to finish with. Vader
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Mrva gets turned inside out there by the winger and
try time, so all of a sudden, yeah, there's pressure
out there as well.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I mean to look at that crowd as well.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
The finish was their pick.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So those couple of tries completely sum up almost what
you'd expect from this year. You maybe thought the lines
might have enough firepower, maybe up front the score some
more tries, couple of breakout tries from individual bruins, but
this was always going to be what that perform is
going to look like a couple of really poor defensive
decisions which are completely understandable and will not be there
by the time they play the Wallabies. That's the big one.
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They'll be gone. That won't be there. That Freeman bites
on No. One, Smith's late and van der Merber was
over there. So if they don't get cooked there, they
cooked the other side as well. They're just there's four
good venda Merber has. How many times is he defended
with Marcus Smith in the backfield?
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Rarely?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Right, they're going to have every field session they have,
they're going to be better, more understanding. I would have
thought six to nine changes to the Test team when
it comes in a different nine and ten starting for
absolute certainty. Right, So this is one, it's one of
let's start with. It's one of the great victories in
the history of Argentinian rugby, right up there with their
World Cup semifinals, their wins over New Zealand and New
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Zealand being the British and Irish Lions. PHELI play contempomi,
your team, your staff, congratulations, that's pretty cool, right, But
if you're the Lions, do you there's some positivity in
the content, lots to refine around defense. Their line out
needs a lot of work, lots and bits and pieces
around the way they played. But they had some adventurous
stuff they did in attack with which once they get
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more time together, we'll be poping now, Burkie. The big
one is we saw Gatland's lines go to South Africa
and play zero rugby. Right, just try and be in
that fight. Nearly won the series. There was a tight series,
right could have gone either way. This line's team on
the weekend played more rugby than any Lions team since
about two thousand and one. Are they going to stick
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with that? Should they stick with that? And if they do,
does it make them more vulnerable or should they go
scrum territory more points.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Stay a UK focused top. You see Marcus Smith at
one stage there ball goes through, grab a kick through.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
He did the dummy show and go on the line
and he's done that at Harlequin's and he goes one hundred.
Basically Argentina won't have anything of it. And he got
absolutely iced over the try line and he tried to
keep gay. It's a really it's a great debate because
that track the other day was pure afternoon evening game.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It was slick.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
It didn't seem like there was too much sort of
you know, humidity up there with you. And that's what
they're going to have to deal with in Australia as
well nighttime. A bit of humidity. The ball is going
to be difficult to play. Do they then revert back
to that ten men.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Rugby time number? I don't think they will. I think
they'll play.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I think they've got the back line to be able
to play, knowing that they can muscle their way up front.
You know their scrum and line that's going to be good.
But I reckon they'll be able to play with a
bit of width.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
As well on the counter attack. Argentina, how does Alborn
was his try right on half time? Is this ended
up being the sort of moment that set them on
the path to, as you say, Molls, one of, if
not their greatest ever victory.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
You thought, look, okay, this is cool.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Staff stuns only maybe Lions will score a try. Maybe
they're going to Then they get loose inside the twenty
two and then Argentina go okay, let's play.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But look at that clump of jerseys and look at
them breakout like that that is that is one of
the great points of difference to Argentina and Rugby, the
counter punish ability, the unstructured ability, the catch pass qualities
as absolutely outstanding. That's that's just something you're going to
see from Argentina a lot all the way through to
r C.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Well, don't you don't you love the ability to pick
a line and choose a line and support play and
you've got you've got inside outside options there and when
you're when you're frantic in defense in.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Marcus Smith, the head was rocking backwards. Point It's come
back to me.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
When you got when you got players going inside outside
and you got options there, the game becomes so easy.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I reckon, I reckon.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
The permise showed more energy than the lines over the
wee again, I thought they. I thought there was on
occasion there that were just sort of just lacking.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
And and if you if there's only so many moments
in games when you've got a chance Morgs and you've
you've been in that test arena and you know it.
There's there's two or three opportunities and you've got to
take it.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
If you don't, you're full part.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I'm interested to wonder what the training load has been like,
because you say they were out enthus maybe they've trained
through that match. They've gone, you know what, this match
is part of our pre but we're going to train
all the way through to get as much work into
ourselves as we can. We have a little glimpse a
couple of times of the mall and how good it's
going to be. This one ends up being a penalty try.
There's probably a couple of infringements there before the one
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that gives away the penalty try and make sure that
was collapsing the mall. But you know that's going to
be part of it, isn't it. There's going to be
their ability to shift the ball like Ireland, to change
the picture and shift. But there'll still be a core
base game of if the Wallabies are ill disciplined or
the Super Rugby province is real disciplined. Then there's a
line out India twenty two and there's a moll coming, then.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
The boomback rail comes on.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Pollick, Yeah, Burkie running on.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That was it was just the.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Crowd ready to go and he saw the camera there
that's right, I'm on the big screen and here we go.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Great. Look, it is a part of.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
The modern world, isn't it, Like you know, just the
hype up of younger players and understanding. So again this
is all out of my show real. At the same time,
the problem was you've got to be able to back
it up, and he got He got brushed for their
for their try. Curry came up really quickly on the
on the charge. They probably didn't need to that. They
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had Argentina under pressure and he just got a nice
little friend off. Yes, I was like, and we can
do his chase?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, and he wasn't chasing quick enough. How do you
think Aussie fans will respond to this? Will they embrace it?
The Oussie fans know who Pollock is.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
They will after this. Well, he's going to be good
in the midweek games. I'm not sure you'll be a
Test team. Look mate, you be you kid like, go
for it and then you know what, back it up.
It's going to be good. He's been picked on the
potential that's coming. He's going to be a gun international footballer.
He's not quite there yet. He'll get so much out
of this tour. He'll get some rugby in the midweek game.
Justus training fans. I think he might be a little
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bit of villain to him. I might, you know, there
might be some jeering in that, but you're going to
see a good football.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Ozsi fans don't really get stuck in like they are
in the North or other parts of the world today.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
He got his cat, you go.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It's just gonna be funny watching Scottish, Irish and Wealth
fans cheering for him.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
That's the best thing.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
That's the Lions, that's the that's the lines, but grudgingly
cheering each other, it's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
What's what caught your eye between forty nine thirty five
fifty twenty five on the match clock.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, it's a little bit of the thing we've been
talking about is just what the Lions are trying to
do in attack. It's it's adventurous and it needs refining.
That's sort of the theme with our chat. But they're
going to want to get into those three mans shapes.
They're going to want their tens out the back super connected.
But they also wanted to bounce back a few times
if they don't get carried. See that sweep sweep stack play.
(22:37):
So they have four players together. They want to sweep
left and then they want to just get into it.
Like you'll see Island do have players appear in the
eye line of defenses later, and anytime they did they
sort of had a negative or neutral carry. They look
to bounce back. But there's that's quite adventurous off a
sideline going pull back, pull back, get to width. Now
I think the Wallabies will try and climb into that shape,
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but there's the rich reward on both sides. You want
to take on a thin rustle out the back there,
you want to take on a two below to if
he moves into twelves, I expect you will. There's danger
for the Wallabies going in and getting that. But if
you don't try and get off your line and try
and disrupt it, then they can outflank you. So I
think that's a little hint of how much work the
lines still have to do. But how potent that attack
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can be with some of the cattle there.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
How do the wall they stop that? In defense?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
They do they rush defense because we've seen we're sending
that outside. In defense when they've got some depth on it,
you can be caught in no man's land with that
ball over the top there. So do they give, do
they wait or that do they rush and try and
shut down.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I think the big thing is going to be how
quick the rock ball is. If it's slow rockball leading
into that and the lines brave enough to still try
and go out the back, then the Wallabies can tee
off and go through it. But if they have good
positive carries from their forward pack, you can't blitz that.
So what you really want is on that three man
shape that the short line that goes at the back
of that defender's got to push off and get in that.
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That's where that's where the break in the system can be.
If someone turns their hips and shoulders in, that's where
they'll get you. And a fin Russell coming around the
corner is going to be dangerous. And a matc Hansen
or a Low or someone off a wing who's such
a hard worker they're in and around that space. They're
not going to go around the Wallabies, They're going to
go through them. If you don't get that right, so
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so much is going to be the mcwrights and Tazanos
and guys like that breakdown stopping the speed of racket.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Sauce Bern was too quick off the pass of Williams
to put them in front. So that kind of had
everyone at the Aviva.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Going as a lovely great line, great line, great.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Look at the hand, thought me, I mean, but the
awareness for the two players inside not to have a
crab at that ball when that try line is beckoning.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That was a fantastic play.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They're they're not often seeing double faceball, yeah, triple faceball
past two to one three, triple faceball not often seen.
And then the match winning try to Santiago Cordero.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
So this is a macrom just because of what it meant.
It is the decisive score of the match. And they're
in defensive mode. They're in hold on mode here Argentina,
but they wanted to go a field occupation. He beats
a couple. Then the grubber is absolutely outstanding as well,
and get the bounce and don't underestimate the bounce and
put down here with the despairing Marcus Smith, an historic
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moment in the history of Argentina.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I was hoping you'd give us.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I can I just ask one thing more?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Can M could they've made this try a little bit easier,
like an inside pass now and going straight they've gone outside.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
They chose obviously they.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Way. That's not the way.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's good finish.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
You don't get bottles of champagne from the easy.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Such a good finish, such a good score, such a
good game of footing. Before we move on to the
next little bit, I've had an idea. What's it all right,
our man, James Dolman. I thought you did a really good
job the other.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Night in that match.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I thought he was underne at times. I'm not going
against you.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Did you not see the knock on the try? Which
one took them ten minutes to work it out? Which
one the early try?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
First try?
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Listen?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Listen now, fellas, this is what we need to get
in placed for the au n Z game and then
for the three test matches.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
We'll use that as a trial game.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
There is nothing what I see in life that being
given something and then haven't taken away from you. If
you're a Lions fan, try awarded and then they go
about eight phases try taken away?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Right?
Speaker 5 (26:37):
We all agree on that.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
We also hate having the game blown up for an
incident that's taken place six phases earlier. Then none of
us know what's going on. The answer to this is
simple from a broadcast perspective and from a TMO option
as well. All we do from now on is if
the TMO is reviewing something live, going back and forth
potential foul play, we pop up the little ticker on
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the screen that says TMO reviewing play potential foul play
number one lines.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
So at least we know that if a try is scored.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You might get it taken off you you know, ahead
of time, then it might be stripped back, and then
if it's clear, TMO clears play and on we go. Otherwise,
we have incidents on the other night where Dolman is
stopping the game because the TMO is getting involved when
he shouldn't have been, because you've got wrong a couple
of times, and then we all go, what's happening here?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Do you want to thought?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You want that in the big screen, big screen and.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
On Channel nine and on the big screen as well.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Like a tone like you're having the league now with
the six again.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
The broadcasters do that so well, didn't meeting something upper
pops ticker? Oh shit, we might have this try taken
office because Morgan took old mate's head off.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Six phases back.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But at least then you know what's happening and you're
part of the process.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Do you know what I mean? You're across what's going
on there?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
No, the massive issue?
Speaker 5 (27:59):
What's the issue?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Logic? Too much logic?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Can we get it in? Can we get it happening?
That's not a hard thing to do. That was Brumby's
war at the same Thank you very much, TMO reviewing
play potential knock on good audition.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Do you want to bring it up in January?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Say again, I just the French team at least then
you know what's happened.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't think you're getting it for lines too?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Well? Why not?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Because things move at the glacial pace.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
It's not that hard mate.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
All it is is you've already got an open line
from team owner, director and the truck basically, so all
it is is a t he goes, he just goes
a hammer just on a look, haven't got control?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
And then away you go like that.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
It's not easy that all you need is okay from
referees lines and.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Makes total sense, doesn't it? Broadcast from a fan perspective.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Absolutely, I can see that. Send it to someone. It's
a good idea. It's a good it is because but
it's good. It takes away that they're not knowing.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Okay, not knowing.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So when I try scored and you think that's happening,
are you going to go big on the try or
you're going to subdue?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
You have to go to go because it's probably going
to get scrapped right likely it's going to get taken off.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Because there's been some big like try commentaries and replays.
They're going to go back.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Yeah, but you got to go.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You've got to go, stay with it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You've got to go interesting, Okay to go.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
So Lions lose that game.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Does it change anything? Does it Does it change? Does
it change the likelihood of a Wallabys win or I
mean it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
It makes it. It makes probably slowly more dangerous because
they're not they're going to be complacent. Not that they were,
but there's no we're good here boys.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
So they are here in Australia, touchdown in Perth. They
got the Western Force this weekend and as you said
at the top of the show, fellas plenty of people
on hand to welp them in and give them the
high five. These are giants of the game in the
North and across the globe. And then we've got them
and the Aussies coming together as well. So the Wallabies
have assembled in Sydney. I quite like the embraces that
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the Wallabies offered up as well. They were they were
back in camp and hugging it out and.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah we go yeah, yeah, all you know, old rivalries
are put aside because there's a common goal. It was
great more than we used to go into camp like
you rock up there. It was you talk about Christmas,
it was light Christmas going in there. The amount of
kit used to get in, the boots that came through
with it, and then just understanding that there's a job
(30:36):
to be done, you know, and you quickly re equate
yourself with with mates you've been trying to built in
the last of you know, four months.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, it was a bit more work for the younger
players like me Burkey having to deliver all your kit
to your room all that sort of stuff, but you
know it's still fun. That's it's great Wallabies, Josh. We
talked about them really trying hard to make connection throughout
Super Rugby and had that Wallabie Australian Rugby first mindset.
That's what's to come on about week one the Perth
(31:04):
this weekend, but you've got Reds and Tars next week
into a Wallaby's Test match against Fiji. So yeah, Wallaby
is in camp yesterday training and meetings and some team
building stuff. Lots of work to be done for them
to be prepared for Fiji too.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Thoughts on the squad, I look, I like it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I like it, I like I like the Will Skelton
inclusion as well the two debutantes Chabing decrept me and
also Corey Tool. I like it because I think this
is well He's chosen on full I reckon because sometimes
reputation can can choose in these ones.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
There's a couple of.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Guys obviously there who haven't played a great deal of
footier as well. You know, Joseph Sutle is on screen
now and then Max Jorgenson. You know, you're looking at
those guys and they will get a run and they
will contribute to what it is. But look, I'm liking
where they are at the moment. The number ten is
going to be crucial for me as to whom he chooses,
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and the three guys that are there all played well
throughout the year. I still don't know who the choice
is I would be leaning along the lines of a
liner in that space.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Interesting to see what they do there and even you know,
this is the announcement of the squad at Stanmore Public
School in Western Sydney. What they do with you know,
who goes back to Reds, who's with Tarzan? Some of
the guys have been left in Perth from that Wallaby,
He's got to play this weekend to make sure the
provinces are strong. And then what does Joe Schmidt do?
Is it the number one starting fifteen that he envises
(32:38):
playing against the Lions in Brisbane that he rolls out
against Fiji? Does he tweak it? Is he looking for
game time to Chatti's around slily? He is ready to
go in outstanding form and it might be a tiny
blessing in disguise that he had this mini pre season
with Tom Carter leading into a line series.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Lyons series obviously starts this weekend.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Just quickly get a word on what the lines seem
like they go full noise with their team after last
week or what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I think the big dogs will come in. I would
have thought you'd see Gibson Park and Russell at nine
and ten. That's what I'm doing. Seriously, that's what I'm
doing because look where they are from from the Test match,
They've got time. They need to get the combinations right.
I can see maybe a two Polow two sliding into
twelve hopefully. I think you might see some big dogs.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Wow. Yeah, Well, I'll tell you what fellas.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
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and all week long and the lead.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
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Speaker 6 (33:37):
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Speaker 2 (33:51):
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Speaker 6 (33:52):
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Speaker 5 (33:57):
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Speaker 1 (34:05):
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Speaker 5 (34:11):
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Speaker 1 (34:13):
Were covered and we'll be in Perth from Thursday on.
I think Timmy's there on Wednesday doing some interviews with
fans from the lines as well. Berky before we push on,
before we unload on the rest of the week. A
chance for you to take a quick trip down memory
lane two thousand and one because you were part of
that will it He's winning site?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yes, two thousand and one.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
It was a really interesting time because, like the still
is now, we get this sense of the enormity of
what is the lines, but we did not know what was.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Coming our way. We played at the Gabba and we're.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Driving there and all we saw it was just a
sea of red jerseys. And if you watch the documentary
that they did for this game, Johnson walks back to
the change room and says, boys, this is a home game,
this is all ours. And all I remember in that
game was well one sitting on the sideline to start with,
because I didn't get a start. I came on for
this one, and this is where you try and shut
(35:08):
someone down by going forward. Oh, we just got to
make the tackle though. That was the only thing I put.
I'm on the highlights reel of Brian O'Driscoll. Incredible play.
I got run over by Cornell just there. Thanks for
it coming. And I scored no points in that game.
We had We had an incredible change up because the
speed of the game, we hadn't seen anything like it.
You talk about that game over the weekend Walks that
(35:30):
was played with a bit of width and a bit
of speed. That game there was We were frantic, you know,
you need to talk about sort of combinations and.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Cohesion.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
We had nothing out there, and I think I do
remember Herbie, you know, saying to our defensive coach, John Muggleton.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
He came out, he ran out and he said stick
with the systems.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
And Herbie basically said, mate, the systems aren't working, you know,
like with a few more adjectives in there, and we
were just sort of looking at each other, going what's
going on. So the pace of the game was huge,
physicality was massive, and then we literally had to lick
our wounds because we got absolutely pumped in that first
game realizing the enormity of it. If we lose the
(36:11):
next game in Melbourne, we are shot ducks. And then
it all changed around, and you know, the whole mindset
changed going down to Melbourne. Even from a Rugby Australia
or aiu's perspective, they gave everyone yellow beanies, They gave everyone,
you know, yellow scarves, gold beans, gold scarves, and so
(36:31):
all of a sudden we had this presence around the game.
But that first half still, I think we turned at
eleven six and we were so out of the game still.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
You know, I talk about this series that we.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Won one and a half games versus one and a
half games. Only by the last one we started to
get a riggle on that second half.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Joe scored two tries.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Joe Roth that was melon threw a great pill over
the top there and we just ground them literally into
the turf. Wilkinson got injured in that game. He went
off on a stretcher. We're thinking, is he going to
play next week? Of course he was. He was going
to get off the deck. And this was the this
was the final game. That was Herbie Paster me couldn't
move my arm because my rexstructed shoulder.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
That's what I'm going to blame.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
But that was it thirty five fourteen, and it was
It was a real watershed moment to say we can.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Keep up with him and we can battle these guys.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
You know, I think it's Stephen Larkin gets injured in
that game, so we had to change it around for
Elton Flatley comes in for the third Test match. So
all of a sudden we had a bit of we
had a bit of a struggle and adversity ourselves, but
it was just this magic moment going to the Third
Test and then we know the story about Justin Harrison,
we know the story about.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Leading into it.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
We're out at paramatter, camped out there and the noise
Morgs as you meant already mentioned that the games that
you play the midweekers, you know, trying to rough them
up the most, you know, good that game in Canberra,
the angriness that came about it. So all of a sudden,
there's this bit of volatility in this last game eighty
(38:10):
eighty five thousand at Stadium Australia. The Aussies were in
that section, the lines were in that section. Mem was
the no roof back in the day, so all the
noise went up and the Aussie noise came in and
from there so we got this great run and for
me special occasion, my fiftieth Test match running out there
and we were able.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
To put pressure on them.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
You were able to put pressure on the score line
changed or the lead changed I think about eight times
in this game.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Wilkinson noted a couple over.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
We both missed a couple of crucial goals at the
same time. Wilkinson scores won just after halftime with a
great little in a later run at one runs at.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Two steps careful I think it was kef gets a
bit caught. There's one off the post there. Thanks for coming.
I missed a sitter after that as well. So pressures
to play a.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Massive part in these games, you know, coming up. And
this was the last play. Matt Cobain spike that ball,
you get a back, walks, runs it off. Griggs and
Keff come together and do the cigars. That was That
was the red wine and cigars for afterwards there is
and we had this incredible momentum shift and the crowd
(39:20):
experiences as well because you go back to that game,
You go back to that final lineout when Goog steals
the ball and it was an incredible play. If you
don't get that line out, they drive it forward, score
the try. Wilkinson kicks the goal and it's thirty twenty
nine and game over. So incredible moment to be a
(39:40):
part of, and we'll always be remembered fondly.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Owen Finnigan sat in that same spot a month back
and said that he treasured that series.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Win over his World Cup victory. Yeah, where does it
ran for you?
Speaker 4 (39:53):
For a series of going back to back to back, like,
it's pretty special. I go back to nine nine, let
us loan when we won three and that was that
hadn't been done for so many years. That one there
was pretty special. World Cups obviously the pinnacle of but
we didn't play in New Zealand in that World Cup.
They got punted by France in that semi final. So
(40:15):
but we beat them earlier in the year. We beat
them quite convincingly in Stateum Australia. So did that sort
of tick the box?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Did I mean we're World Cup champions? We can say
we are, But there's something about a line series as well.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
And as like Owen said, it's pretty special to have
that on your resume.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
One on both.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
It was a good time. We had every trophy, right,
we had every trophy. Let us load to donations through everything.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
And there's lessons from two thousand and one for this
current Wallaby creue. You can lose the first test and
you can win the series. You don't know what you
don't know? You wait twelve years and you hear how
big a line series is. It seems that everyone, whether
it's eighty nine, whether it's two thousand and one, whether
it's the All Blacks in two thousand and five in
their first game early on, you don't realize how big
it is until you're out there and that noise hits
(41:04):
you in the face. The same end, you're not going
to finish off the series and the same team you
started with you you've got to go deep into your squad.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
And it all starts in terms of the footy this
Saturday at opt the Stadium.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
But don't forget all week long.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
We've got you covered right here on your home of
rugby stands Sport tomorrow our first ever hit of Lion Central.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
And one man, one young man who'll.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Have his eyes firmly fixed on it is young Joey
who is I've just found out stand Sport's number one viewer.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Number one viewer.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, has recently submitted his school project, which was just
all rugby. He loves Mark Eller, he loves John and Loomu.
He loves David Campe.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Have you got good?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
How good is it?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
The great the game boy?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
He started?
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Well, how good is it when you get our younger crew,
younger generation just owning the game and it is there,
be on and end all, and they take it to school,
the school project.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
I hope you've got an A plus for that as well.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
I'm looking at it now. It's magnificent production for years.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Surely I read the short stories, Joe, make great work
and sorry loves Noel Lascio there and yeah, I love
the amount of information you collected and put down. It
was good to see. Maybe we'd have to get you
on the desk when you graduate from school.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
It's going to be Jonah too.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Loves Jonah, so do we fellas well done on the show, Joe,
well done on your continued support between two posts, but
don't forget tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Line central right here on stands for
Hallo team and welcome in for what is a massive
episode that between two posts, the British and Irish lives
have landed in Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Here they are here, come.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
On and to talk about what's to come for the
next six weeks. What happened on the week in the
Subbrubby Pacific GF Morgan Turnui, Matt Bergman, Welcome. How good
it's like Christmas in late June? The twelve year wait
is over?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
If Christmas goes for a month? Can't wait? Did we
turn a couple away at Customs and Border Control? Surely
they are surely we checked their papers.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Do you remember I'm going to throw it back to
remember when Eddie Jones came with England and they searched
his bags for an hour beforehand before he came out.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I hope they can him just a little bit of
niggle on the way through as well. Massive squad coming
down game over the weekend. We'll have a look at
it a bit later. But so excited.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
We've been talking about this for years from a spectators
level and the anticipation of the amount of people that
are going to come down.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'm so pumped for this.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That's the thing to it even now. You'll see they
are going to be mobbed by people everywhere they go.
They'll be kids outside their hotel. They'll be sixty five
year old you know, Welsh grandfathers who are acting like
kids as well. Just start struck by the British and
Irish lines being on home soil here in Australia for us.
And you know, I think anyone who's got some Irish
heritage or English heritage, that that accent gets a little
(01:31):
bit stronger the next month. It's an exciting times.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Generaldy is it's a mini World Cup in terms of
the energy and atmosphere that we're going to have over
the next period of time.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Like that's what we're talking here. It's going to be
that up for the next six weeks. It's insane.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
An old school tour, like just game after game after
game after game leading to three test matches. And that's
how that's how we used to play it back in
the day.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Did you do the old.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
School tour a few Oh, you have the midweek a game.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
The midwik a game, and then you have to back up.
If you're playing on the weekend, your.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Bench backs up on the test match on the week.
The good thing is you couldn't get flogged too much
by the coaches because we're playing all the time that
we did.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Greg Smith as a coach, Yes.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
It's going to be huge. What are we thinking for
game one?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I mean we're going to go in a bit more
detail a bit later around how many lines fans will
be on deck at Optus on Saturday night.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Big turnout, We'll huge because.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
There's already lots of expats in Perth. Big expat spot
it is in Perth, and so that's going to be
the big thing too, is just being aware how much
support the lines receive. So there's a lot of responsibility
on us and all Australians to get on board quickly
because otherwise the two thousand and one lesson of Test one,
where where Australia feels like you're away from home, will
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be another lesson that leeds to we learned.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And it's that red jersey, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
There's that iconic red jersey that people chasing, people support
and you're right if you've got if you've got a
little bit of heritage there, the jersey will come out
and people will support and it won't be the band
playing at four thirty in the morning, just be cheering
away like when we used to have.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It on overseas tours. It'll just be. It'll be applause
and hang outside you talk.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
World.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Can't remember we're in Leon for that Wallaby's Whales game. Yes,
and that was there was no sleep night before the game.
It was well singing all the way through the night
in Santraville in Leon. It's going to be like that
all over Australia. And we're going to have a look
at the course of that Argentina lines game. In a
moment you mentioned the Red Jerseys. Have a look at
all of the jerseys in the crowd. They just want
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to be in the colors of their team.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No sleep till Home Bush should be the patch cry
for the next six weeks.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
No sleep still Home Bush Men.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
We're going to talk about their first up loss against
Argentina a little later in the show.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
We're going to start with a Super Rugby Final.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Thank you to the Chiefs and Chris Adders for putting
together another thrilling Super Rugby.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Final as well.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Boys tied at the end, just the one score separating
for two sides Morgues, but it's the Red and Black.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
To get it done again against them. Well are we
thinking except.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
For Atka except yeah, yeah, I read a broken clock
is right twice a day.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I read something.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I read something saying if in doubt, you know, picked
the Crusaders.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
They were. They did their job, They worked the tactics
of the Chiefs out.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
They snuck over for that Cody Taylor try and on
the left hand side was just a bit of sort
of fortune down the side there Reversrahana kicked his goal,
kicked that conversion, which is really important. From that, From that,
Cody Trailer try control the game pretty well, but they
I think.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The Chiefs handed it to them.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
At the same time, they were Yeah, that's exactly right.
There were some moments in this game where they just
they lost the understanding of how to play and how
to create territory and possession as well.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, it was interesting. You've exactly hit the nail on
the head there, Burkie, that the Crusaders were able to
make the Chiefs play the game they wanted to play.
Chiefs need speed in the game, And if you sat
through and watch that with us on the weekend, you
just saw that the Chiefs really struggled to impose themselves
on the match and impose their style of play on
the match. The amount of pressure put on Damian McKenzie
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was immense and that worked well for the Crusaders. I
think five or six scrum penalties to the Crusaders and
they won the aerial battle and that's how they won
the title. Nothing is actually almost the opposite of what
we saw in Super Rugby this year with the amount
of tries and expensive play. The last couple of weeks
of Super Rugby was sudden death rugby, maybe a lesson
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for the Test rugby to come. Crusaders played finals footy
once again better than anyone else.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
How important is it also to kick your goals like
you know, I know that's tough, but you've got to
be able to knock them over like you know, and
you hadn't had to kick for a while.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But you've got to convert, you've got to.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Put your threes on, you've got to put your five
to sevens and you know, when it comes down to it,
and you're right, I reckon this will be a big
part of it in this Test series that's coming up
as well.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
They had such a good op tunity early in that
second half, they charged Tubo VI charges down hope them,
they scoop it up.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
They not five from the line, You go, how are
they not going to score here?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And somehow the Crusaders scrambled turn them away, I think
even when a penalty not long after that, and that
was basically it. So what did the Crusaders do well
across the back end of that game to snuff out
any hope of the Chiefs winning that title?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
For me, it was the double box kick near the
end of the game when they went territory territory they
got it. I think it was Mackenzie took the ball
in on the on the first catch. He then there
was a box kick again, and it was just creating territory,
like you just you just know that you have to
be down that end of the field, not down that
in the field because there's a chance to kick a goal.
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So it was just I think they played a bit smarter,
if that's if that's the simple way of looking at it.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They got around the park a.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Little bit better, there were some good kicking options that
they did with Rayhannah.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And they just played a little bit better.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Even even Jordan at the back was able to just
sort of punch a couple sliding deck in a wet ground,
just make it difficult ball hit.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The ground a fair but at the time just puts
pressure on fullbacks.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
How big is Will Jordan and why is he so good?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think there's a couple of He's quick, buck, he's fast, right,
and he's also able to maintain that speed while changing direction,
swerves and steps and maintains power and speed through contact.
So you've got to get all of him when you're tackling.
He doesn't look physically imposing on some of the other
big back three players we have, but the amount of
force he's able to put through contact because he's such
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a balance runner and he does the basics right, and
he does the basics right time and time again. His
kick receipt and organization of back three, coupled with his
attacking kick chase and aerial battle, I think that was
a huge part of the reason they win this game.
That's a turnover. If the Chiefs get it middle of
the park, they can try and get some of that
speed into the game that we talked about playoff unstructured play,
(07:54):
which they want to, but he took that away from them,
and there's a little bit of a cause effect from
what Burkey is saying. McKenzie misses a goal to get
the Chiefs in front, it's a different game. If the
Crusaders are chasing the game, they're not able to do
what they did there. So the Crusaders are able to
play like front runners, and the Chiefs the onus was
on them. Okay, we'll kick the ball to you. Chiefs,
what are you going to do? You're going to run
(08:15):
it back eighty or you're going to give the ball
back to Will Jordan to make you play again.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
There's that proactive in reactive kicking, isn't there? And I
think the Chiefs were reacting to the situation having to
sort of put pressure on themselves to.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Be able to get out of territory.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Crusaders were able just to ping the corners and it
was a game of chess out there, and they were
playing it much better.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
James I kind of comes on and it's checkmate in
favor of the Crusaders at the back end. What about
him after all those many years of super Robi booting eight.
I'm pretty sure it was ahead of his test taboo
in Padaua in Italy with quite alongside. I think we're
going back to our eight. I mean, what a journey.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
It's speaking for him, it's twenty twenty five, now, what.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
A journey, and sneaking left hand side with about a
minute and a half to play, he got his hand
on the ball and sort of you know, contributed a
bit in that final. But I think his contribution throughout
the year has been great. You know, he spoke about
his role has been the experienced player when we spoke
him the other week about sort of you know, the
(09:14):
brains trust of being able to sort of you know,
coordinate chat going back and forth and really throwing it
up and being abracive. I suppose you could say, as
you mentioned, but he's just got some he's just got
some calmness about him. He's got some maturity about him.
I think that's that's one of the one of the
great things that obviously the Crusader saw in.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Him in that chat with him.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Did it come up what happened in terms where he
was going to live in christ Church when he lobbed there.
Did that come up? I'm sure we mind me sharing
the story. So we had him as part of our
coverage last year throughout the Spring tour, come in what
game it was? He was in here with us, but
it was awesome having Jock on deck. And he was
just going through that process and moving over to christ
Church and had found a place that he and his
(09:54):
partner wanted us stay in. And they had the manager
who was helping him and facility hating it. And he said,
we found a place and they said, oh, yeah, okay,
but we've got some other spots. And he said that okay,
but we kind of really want this spot, and sort
of goes back and forth a couple of times, and
and then eventually the Crusaders kind of gently say.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
We don't stay in that spot. That's not what we're about.
That's not what we're about.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
We're all in these pockets of suburbs around christ Church
so that we have that sense of family togetherness. Your
partner will be able to hang out with Rivers's girlfriend
as an example, you know, just an example, Sev's family
down the road there, and so they're they're pocketed and
they're tight knit in that way shape and form off
field as well, which I found fascinating. He goes, oh, okay, sweet,
(10:42):
of course, I'll go where you want me to so
he's made it work over there really nicely.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Maybe that's a part of I look at newsath last
you're a ram mckway when Northern Beach as a way,
you've got Cronulla, everyone's sort of probably too far apart.
So you could see why that that cohesion is a
part of it as well.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
And we said with the Brumbisi and Hamburg as well,
that sort of stuff just geographically to get a lot. Yeah,
but the brave decision from James Oconna could have looked
overseas again, gone and tried to earn some money at
the back end. But I was a guy who still
wanted to improve, still wanted to learn. He would have
learned so much this season, as we discussed with him
last week. But he into the final and then ends
(11:19):
up being a champion. He was their closer. He was
coming at the end, manage the team around the park,
her crew points when needed. He did it really well.
He was a crucial part of their title win from
the season.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
What about Rob Penny. Rob Penny just be smiling into it.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
They were ninth last year, they finished ninth and now
a bit of cattle back and away we go. Mertz
was quick to remind us all believe Metz was very quick.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
He was very chirky on what's happening.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
The Crusader's account blessed him as well. When they saw
that we posted.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Chief Chief Chief Chief Chief Chief and at.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
COO's gone Crusaders. The Crusaders wrote up, Michael is our
favorite presenter anyway. I was like, it's good, good on
you guys. So the Chiefs suffer a third straight Grand
Final loss.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
What for them now with CLATMMT and moving on coach
leaving might be tricky.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
They'll still be there and thereabouts. They're the same. They
look at their list, what's the lessons they learned from
this season? Really, they probably paid the price for not
hosting the final that's the big one, that Week one
finals against the Blues. I think they will rue that,
But in terms of their play and their game, it's
it's probably what's our plan be going to be in
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a match like that. You know, the physical nature of
that game is very similar to the loss of the Blues,
which was a fortnight before. So there's two teams that
were able to stifle them, were able to beat them
when it counted, So there's you know, they'll come top
two or three next year they'll be thereabouts. They've got
the cattle, of course, can they learn the lesson of scrum,
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breakdown and territory how that final was won?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
A new coach come in then more God ask you
this is your domain? Does he come in and change
up everything? Or is it a Chiefs wave of playing
because the coach wanted to get their fingerprints.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
All right, you're not coming in and taking over them.
That won the spoon, so you don't need to change everything.
I think it's a great team to come into because
it would have been tough to come in up of
just winning the camp. So if you're the new coach,
you come in, you go okay, this is what we
need to do to take the next that We are
not rebuilding a pyramid here, yep, we are just putting
the capstone on top.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Next up, fellas for a lot of those men that
were on display on the weekend will be the all
backs up against France. Five debutantes in Scott Robinson squad.
I'll quickly give those too, Oline Norris, Brodie mcalsro out
of the Chiefs, Fabian Hole and the big boy from
the hiwnas our man, Timothy taba taba. Now I get
a spot and finally do per see carey fear.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Our favorite Hurry Kane gets a shot as well.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So they've got France coming up through June.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
You know what we've got through the end of June.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I'm talking this weekend and July and the rest that'll
be the British and Irish lines who went down on
the weekend to Argentina. Now, the last time these two
sides met was ahead of the two thousand and five
tour of New Zealand where it was a twenty five
all draw.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I'm pretty sure it took some Wilkins and magic late
to draw it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
However, going to this game, it's in Dublin, Argentina are
missing nine of their best.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You're thinking Puma is going to get pounded here.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
The algorithm had them is eighteen point underdogs and then
explain to the good people at home what happens fellas.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
More you use some of that well when you talk
about the four the four countries coming together and you've
got to find that cohesion, and that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It was just clunky on the weekend.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
You know, there was a there was miss reads, there
was holes down the middle when they were running. You know,
you talk about effort areas at the same time, it
was just sort of you know, wrong shape, wrong time,
wrong position, wrong time, wrong place, wrong time, and well,
don't take anything away from Argentina, eve though I thought
they played outstanding rugby, but it was a case of
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I think that clunkiness was basically that the ability to
play in a game at high tempo for the first
for the first time, and they got shown up there.
I mean this one, I wrack around the corner, the
forwards didn't roll around the corner too much. There's a
poor read from the from the wing of their freemen,
and they're just some good feet to finish with. Vader
(15:29):
Mrva gets turned inside out there by the winger and
try time, so all of a sudden, yeah, there's pressure
out there as well.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I mean to look at that crowd as well.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
The finish was their pick.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So those couple of tries completely sum up almost what
you'd expect from this year. You maybe thought the lines
might have enough firepower, maybe up front the score some
more tries, couple of breakout tries from individual bruins, but
this was always going to be what that perform is
going to look like a couple of really poor defensive
decisions which are completely understandable and will not be there
by the time they play the Wallabies. That's the big one.
(16:02):
They'll be gone. That won't be there. That Freeman bites
on No. One, Smith's late and van der Merber was
over there. So if they don't get cooked there, they
cooked the other side as well. They're just there's four
good venda Merber has. How many times is he defended
with Marcus Smith in the backfield?
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Rarely?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Right, they're going to have every field session they have,
they're going to be better, more understanding. I would have
thought six to nine changes to the Test team when
it comes in a different nine and ten starting for
absolute certainty. Right, So this is one, it's one of
let's start with. It's one of the great victories in
the history of Argentinian rugby, right up there with their
World Cup semifinals, their wins over New Zealand and New
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Zealand being the British and Irish Lions. PHELI play contempomi,
your team, your staff, congratulations, that's pretty cool, right, But
if you're the Lions, do you there's some positivity in
the content, lots to refine around defense. Their line out
needs a lot of work, lots and bits and pieces
around the way they played. But they had some adventurous
stuff they did in attack with which once they get
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more time together, we'll be poping now, Burkie. The big
one is we saw Gatland's lines go to South Africa
and play zero rugby. Right, just try and be in
that fight. Nearly won the series. There was a tight series,
right could have gone either way. This line's team on
the weekend played more rugby than any Lions team since
about two thousand and one. Are they going to stick
(17:21):
with that? Should they stick with that? And if they do,
does it make them more vulnerable or should they go
scrum territory more points.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Stay a UK focused top. You see Marcus Smith at
one stage there ball goes through, grab a kick through.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
He did the dummy show and go on the line
and he's done that at Harlequin's and he goes one hundred.
Basically Argentina won't have anything of it. And he got
absolutely iced over the try line and he tried to
keep gay. It's a really it's a great debate because
that track the other day was pure afternoon evening game.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It was slick.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
It didn't seem like there was too much sort of
you know, humidity up there with you. And that's what
they're going to have to deal with in Australia as
well nighttime. A bit of humidity. The ball is going
to be difficult to play. Do they then revert back
to that ten men.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Rugby time number? I don't think they will. I think
they'll play.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I think they've got the back line to be able
to play, knowing that they can muscle their way up front.
You know their scrum and line that's going to be good.
But I reckon they'll be able to play with a
bit of width.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
As well on the counter attack. Argentina, how does Alborn
was his try right on half time? Is this ended
up being the sort of moment that set them on
the path to, as you say, Molls, one of, if
not their greatest ever victory.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
You thought, look, okay, this is cool.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Staff stuns only maybe Lions will score a try. Maybe
they're going to Then they get loose inside the twenty
two and then Argentina go okay, let's play.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But look at that clump of jerseys and look at
them breakout like that that is that is one of
the great points of difference to Argentina and Rugby, the
counter punish ability, the unstructured ability, the catch pass qualities
as absolutely outstanding. That's that's just something you're going to
see from Argentina a lot all the way through to
r C.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Well, don't you don't you love the ability to pick
a line and choose a line and support play and
you've got you've got inside outside options there and when
you're when you're frantic in defense in.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Marcus Smith, the head was rocking backwards. Point It's come
back to me.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
When you got when you got players going inside outside
and you got options there, the game becomes so easy.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I reckon, I reckon.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
The permise showed more energy than the lines over the
wee again, I thought they. I thought there was on
occasion there that were just sort of just lacking.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
And and if you if there's only so many moments
in games when you've got a chance Morgs and you've
you've been in that test arena and you know it.
There's there's two or three opportunities and you've got to
take it.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
If you don't, you're full part.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I'm interested to wonder what the training load has been like,
because you say they were out enthus maybe they've trained
through that match. They've gone, you know what, this match
is part of our pre but we're going to train
all the way through to get as much work into
ourselves as we can. We have a little glimpse a
couple of times of the mall and how good it's
going to be. This one ends up being a penalty try.
There's probably a couple of infringements there before the one
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that gives away the penalty try and make sure that
was collapsing the mall. But you know that's going to
be part of it, isn't it. There's going to be
their ability to shift the ball like Ireland, to change
the picture and shift. But there'll still be a core
base game of if the Wallabies are ill disciplined or
the Super Rugby province is real disciplined. Then there's a
line out India twenty two and there's a moll coming, then.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
The boomback rail comes on.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Pollick, Yeah, Burkie running on.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That was it was just the.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Crowd ready to go and he saw the camera there
that's right, I'm on the big screen and here we go.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Great. Look, it is a part of.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
The modern world, isn't it, Like you know, just the
hype up of younger players and understanding. So again this
is all out of my show real. At the same time,
the problem was you've got to be able to back
it up, and he got He got brushed for their
for their try. Curry came up really quickly on the
on the charge. They probably didn't need to that. They
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had Argentina under pressure and he just got a nice
little friend off. Yes, I was like, and we can
do his chase?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, and he wasn't chasing quick enough. How do you
think Aussie fans will respond to this? Will they embrace it?
The Oussie fans know who Pollock is.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
They will after this. Well, he's going to be good
in the midweek games. I'm not sure you'll be a
Test team. Look mate, you be you kid like, go
for it and then you know what, back it up.
It's going to be good. He's been picked on the
potential that's coming. He's going to be a gun international footballer.
He's not quite there yet. He'll get so much out
of this tour. He'll get some rugby in the midweek game.
Justus training fans. I think he might be a little
(21:48):
bit of villain to him. I might, you know, there
might be some jeering in that, but you're going to
see a good football.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Ozsi fans don't really get stuck in like they are
in the North or other parts of the world today.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
He got his cat, you go.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It's just gonna be funny watching Scottish, Irish and Wealth
fans cheering for him.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
That's the best thing.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
That's the Lions, that's the that's the lines, but grudgingly
cheering each other, it's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
What's what caught your eye between forty nine thirty five
fifty twenty five on the match clock.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, it's a little bit of the thing we've been
talking about is just what the Lions are trying to
do in attack. It's it's adventurous and it needs refining.
That's sort of the theme with our chat. But they're
going to want to get into those three mans shapes.
They're going to want their tens out the back super connected.
But they also wanted to bounce back a few times
if they don't get carried. See that sweep sweep stack play.
(22:37):
So they have four players together. They want to sweep
left and then they want to just get into it.
Like you'll see Island do have players appear in the
eye line of defenses later, and anytime they did they
sort of had a negative or neutral carry. They look
to bounce back. But there's that's quite adventurous off a
sideline going pull back, pull back, get to width. Now
I think the Wallabies will try and climb into that shape,
(23:00):
but there's the rich reward on both sides. You want
to take on a thin rustle out the back there,
you want to take on a two below to if
he moves into twelves, I expect you will. There's danger
for the Wallabies going in and getting that. But if
you don't try and get off your line and try
and disrupt it, then they can outflank you. So I
think that's a little hint of how much work the
lines still have to do. But how potent that attack
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can be with some of the cattle there.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
How do the wall they stop that? In defense?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
They do they rush defense because we've seen we're sending
that outside. In defense when they've got some depth on it,
you can be caught in no man's land with that
ball over the top there. So do they give, do
they wait or that do they rush and try and
shut down.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I think the big thing is going to be how
quick the rock ball is. If it's slow rockball leading
into that and the lines brave enough to still try
and go out the back, then the Wallabies can tee
off and go through it. But if they have good
positive carries from their forward pack, you can't blitz that.
So what you really want is on that three man
shape that the short line that goes at the back
of that defender's got to push off and get in that.
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That's where that's where the break in the system can be.
If someone turns their hips and shoulders in, that's where
they'll get you. And a fin Russell coming around the
corner is going to be dangerous. And a matc Hansen
or a Low or someone off a wing who's such
a hard worker they're in and around that space. They're
not going to go around the Wallabies, They're going to
go through them. If you don't get that right, so
(24:19):
so much is going to be the mcwrights and Tazanos
and guys like that breakdown stopping the speed of racket.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Sauce Bern was too quick off the pass of Williams
to put them in front. So that kind of had
everyone at the Aviva.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Going as a lovely great line, great line, great.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Look at the hand, thought me, I mean, but the
awareness for the two players inside not to have a
crab at that ball when that try line is beckoning.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That was a fantastic play.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They're they're not often seeing double faceball, yeah, triple faceball
past two to one three, triple faceball not often seen.
And then the match winning try to Santiago Cordero.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
So this is a macrom just because of what it meant.
It is the decisive score of the match. And they're
in defensive mode. They're in hold on mode here Argentina,
but they wanted to go a field occupation. He beats
a couple. Then the grubber is absolutely outstanding as well,
and get the bounce and don't underestimate the bounce and
put down here with the despairing Marcus Smith, an historic
(25:24):
moment in the history of Argentina.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I was hoping you'd give us.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I can I just ask one thing more?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Can M could they've made this try a little bit easier,
like an inside pass now and going straight they've gone outside.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
They chose obviously they.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Way. That's not the way.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's good finish.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
You don't get bottles of champagne from the easy.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Such a good finish, such a good score, such a
good game of footing. Before we move on to the
next little bit, I've had an idea. What's it all right,
our man, James Dolman. I thought you did a really good
job the other.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Night in that match.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I thought he was underne at times. I'm not going
against you.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Did you not see the knock on the try? Which
one took them ten minutes to work it out? Which
one the early try?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
First try?
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Listen?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Listen now, fellas, this is what we need to get
in placed for the au n Z game and then
for the three test matches.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
We'll use that as a trial game.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
There is nothing what I see in life that being
given something and then haven't taken away from you. If
you're a Lions fan, try awarded and then they go
about eight phases try taken away?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Right?
Speaker 5 (26:37):
We all agree on that.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
We also hate having the game blown up for an
incident that's taken place six phases earlier. Then none of
us know what's going on. The answer to this is
simple from a broadcast perspective and from a TMO option
as well. All we do from now on is if
the TMO is reviewing something live, going back and forth
potential foul play, we pop up the little ticker on
(27:00):
the screen that says TMO reviewing play potential foul play
number one lines.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
So at least we know that if a try is scored.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You might get it taken off you you know, ahead
of time, then it might be stripped back, and then
if it's clear, TMO clears play and on we go. Otherwise,
we have incidents on the other night where Dolman is
stopping the game because the TMO is getting involved when
he shouldn't have been, because you've got wrong a couple
of times, and then we all go, what's happening here?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Do you want to thought?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You want that in the big screen, big screen and.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
On Channel nine and on the big screen as well.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Like a tone like you're having the league now with
the six again.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
The broadcasters do that so well, didn't meeting something upper
pops ticker? Oh shit, we might have this try taken
office because Morgan took old mate's head off.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Six phases back.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But at least then you know what's happening and you're
part of the process.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Do you know what I mean? You're across what's going
on there?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
No, the massive issue?
Speaker 5 (27:59):
What's the issue?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Logic? Too much logic?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Can we get it in? Can we get it happening?
That's not a hard thing to do. That was Brumby's
war at the same Thank you very much, TMO reviewing
play potential knock on good audition.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Do you want to bring it up in January?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Say again, I just the French team at least then
you know what's happened.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't think you're getting it for lines too?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Well? Why not?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Because things move at the glacial pace.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
It's not that hard mate.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
All it is is you've already got an open line
from team owner, director and the truck basically, so all
it is is a t he goes, he just goes
a hammer just on a look, haven't got control?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
And then away you go like that.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
It's not easy that all you need is okay from
referees lines and.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Makes total sense, doesn't it? Broadcast from a fan perspective.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Absolutely, I can see that. Send it to someone. It's
a good idea. It's a good it is because but
it's good. It takes away that they're not knowing.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Okay, not knowing.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So when I try scored and you think that's happening,
are you going to go big on the try or
you're going to subdue?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
You have to go to go because it's probably going
to get scrapped right likely it's going to get taken off.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Because there's been some big like try commentaries and replays.
They're going to go back.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Yeah, but you got to go.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You've got to go, stay with it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You've got to go interesting, Okay to go.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
So Lions lose that game.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Does it change anything? Does it Does it change? Does
it change the likelihood of a Wallabys win or I
mean it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
It makes it. It makes probably slowly more dangerous because
they're not they're going to be complacent. Not that they were,
but there's no we're good here boys.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
So they are here in Australia, touchdown in Perth. They
got the Western Force this weekend and as you said
at the top of the show, fellas plenty of people
on hand to welp them in and give them the
high five. These are giants of the game in the
North and across the globe. And then we've got them
and the Aussies coming together as well. So the Wallabies
have assembled in Sydney. I quite like the embraces that
(30:10):
the Wallabies offered up as well. They were they were
back in camp and hugging it out and.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah we go yeah, yeah, all you know, old rivalries
are put aside because there's a common goal. It was
great more than we used to go into camp like
you rock up there. It was you talk about Christmas,
it was light Christmas going in there. The amount of
kit used to get in, the boots that came through
with it, and then just understanding that there's a job
(30:36):
to be done, you know, and you quickly re equate
yourself with with mates you've been trying to built in
the last of you know, four months.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, it was a bit more work for the younger
players like me Burkey having to deliver all your kit
to your room all that sort of stuff, but you
know it's still fun. That's it's great Wallabies, Josh. We
talked about them really trying hard to make connection throughout
Super Rugby and had that Wallabie Australian Rugby first mindset.
That's what's to come on about week one the Perth
(31:04):
this weekend, but you've got Reds and Tars next week
into a Wallaby's Test match against Fiji. So yeah, Wallaby
is in camp yesterday training and meetings and some team
building stuff. Lots of work to be done for them
to be prepared for Fiji too.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Thoughts on the squad, I look, I like it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I like it, I like I like the Will Skelton
inclusion as well the two debutantes Chabing decrept me and
also Corey Tool. I like it because I think this
is well He's chosen on full I reckon because sometimes
reputation can can choose in these ones.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
There's a couple of.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Guys obviously there who haven't played a great deal of
footier as well. You know, Joseph Sutle is on screen
now and then Max Jorgenson. You know, you're looking at
those guys and they will get a run and they
will contribute to what it is. But look, I'm liking
where they are at the moment. The number ten is
going to be crucial for me as to whom he chooses,
(32:03):
and the three guys that are there all played well
throughout the year. I still don't know who the choice
is I would be leaning along the lines of a
liner in that space.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Interesting to see what they do there and even you know,
this is the announcement of the squad at Stanmore Public
School in Western Sydney. What they do with you know,
who goes back to Reds, who's with Tarzan? Some of
the guys have been left in Perth from that Wallaby,
He's got to play this weekend to make sure the
provinces are strong. And then what does Joe Schmidt do?
Is it the number one starting fifteen that he envises
(32:38):
playing against the Lions in Brisbane that he rolls out
against Fiji? Does he tweak it? Is he looking for
game time to Chatti's around slily? He is ready to
go in outstanding form and it might be a tiny
blessing in disguise that he had this mini pre season
with Tom Carter leading into a line series.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Lyons series obviously starts this weekend.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Just quickly get a word on what the lines seem
like they go full noise with their team after last
week or what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I think the big dogs will come in. I would
have thought you'd see Gibson Park and Russell at nine
and ten. That's what I'm doing. Seriously, that's what I'm
doing because look where they are from from the Test match,
They've got time. They need to get the combinations right.
I can see maybe a two Polow two sliding into
twelve hopefully. I think you might see some big dogs.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Wow. Yeah, Well, I'll tell you what fellas.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
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and all week long and the lead.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
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Speaker 6 (33:37):
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Speaker 2 (33:51):
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Speaker 5 (34:11):
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Speaker 1 (34:13):
Were covered and we'll be in Perth from Thursday on.
I think Timmy's there on Wednesday doing some interviews with
fans from the lines as well. Berky before we push on,
before we unload on the rest of the week. A
chance for you to take a quick trip down memory
lane two thousand and one because you were part of
that will it He's winning site?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yes, two thousand and one.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
It was a really interesting time because, like the still
is now, we get this sense of the enormity of
what is the lines, but we did not know what was.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Coming our way. We played at the Gabba and we're.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Driving there and all we saw it was just a
sea of red jerseys. And if you watch the documentary
that they did for this game, Johnson walks back to
the change room and says, boys, this is a home game,
this is all ours. And all I remember in that
game was well one sitting on the sideline to start with,
because I didn't get a start. I came on for
this one, and this is where you try and shut
(35:08):
someone down by going forward. Oh, we just got to
make the tackle though. That was the only thing I put.
I'm on the highlights reel of Brian O'Driscoll. Incredible play.
I got run over by Cornell just there. Thanks for
it coming. And I scored no points in that game.
We had We had an incredible change up because the
speed of the game, we hadn't seen anything like it.
You talk about that game over the weekend Walks that
(35:30):
was played with a bit of width and a bit
of speed. That game there was We were frantic, you know,
you need to talk about sort of combinations and.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Cohesion.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
We had nothing out there, and I think I do
remember Herbie, you know, saying to our defensive coach, John Muggleton.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
He came out, he ran out and he said stick
with the systems.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
And Herbie basically said, mate, the systems aren't working, you know,
like with a few more adjectives in there, and we
were just sort of looking at each other, going what's
going on. So the pace of the game was huge,
physicality was massive, and then we literally had to lick
our wounds because we got absolutely pumped in that first
game realizing the enormity of it. If we lose the
(36:11):
next game in Melbourne, we are shot ducks. And then
it all changed around, and you know, the whole mindset
changed going down to Melbourne. Even from a Rugby Australia
or aiu's perspective, they gave everyone yellow beanies, They gave everyone,
you know, yellow scarves, gold beans, gold scarves, and so
(36:31):
all of a sudden we had this presence around the game.
But that first half still, I think we turned at
eleven six and we were so out of the game still.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
You know, I talk about this series that we.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Won one and a half games versus one and a
half games. Only by the last one we started to
get a riggle on that second half.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Joe scored two tries.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Joe Roth that was melon threw a great pill over
the top there and we just ground them literally into
the turf. Wilkinson got injured in that game. He went
off on a stretcher. We're thinking, is he going to
play next week? Of course he was. He was going
to get off the deck. And this was the this
was the final game. That was Herbie Paster me couldn't
move my arm because my rexstructed shoulder.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
That's what I'm going to blame.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
But that was it thirty five fourteen, and it was
It was a real watershed moment to say we can.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Keep up with him and we can battle these guys.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
You know, I think it's Stephen Larkin gets injured in
that game, so we had to change it around for
Elton Flatley comes in for the third Test match. So
all of a sudden we had a bit of we
had a bit of a struggle and adversity ourselves, but
it was just this magic moment going to the Third
Test and then we know the story about Justin Harrison,
we know the story about.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Leading into it.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
We're out at paramatter, camped out there and the noise
Morgs as you meant already mentioned that the games that
you play the midweekers, you know, trying to rough them
up the most, you know, good that game in Canberra,
the angriness that came about it. So all of a sudden,
there's this bit of volatility in this last game eighty
(38:10):
eighty five thousand at Stadium Australia. The Aussies were in
that section, the lines were in that section. Mem was
the no roof back in the day, so all the
noise went up and the Aussie noise came in and
from there so we got this great run and for
me special occasion, my fiftieth Test match running out there
and we were able.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
To put pressure on them.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
You were able to put pressure on the score line
changed or the lead changed I think about eight times
in this game.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Wilkinson noted a couple over.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
We both missed a couple of crucial goals at the
same time. Wilkinson scores won just after halftime with a
great little in a later run at one runs at.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Two steps careful I think it was kef gets a
bit caught. There's one off the post there. Thanks for coming.
I missed a sitter after that as well. So pressures
to play a.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Massive part in these games, you know, coming up. And
this was the last play. Matt Cobain spike that ball,
you get a back, walks, runs it off. Griggs and
Keff come together and do the cigars. That was That
was the red wine and cigars for afterwards there is
and we had this incredible momentum shift and the crowd
(39:20):
experiences as well because you go back to that game,
You go back to that final lineout when Goog steals
the ball and it was an incredible play. If you
don't get that line out, they drive it forward, score
the try. Wilkinson kicks the goal and it's thirty twenty
nine and game over. So incredible moment to be a
(39:40):
part of, and we'll always be remembered fondly.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Owen Finnigan sat in that same spot a month back
and said that he treasured that series.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Win over his World Cup victory. Yeah, where does it
ran for you?
Speaker 4 (39:53):
For a series of going back to back to back, like,
it's pretty special. I go back to nine nine, let
us loan when we won three and that was that
hadn't been done for so many years. That one there
was pretty special. World Cups obviously the pinnacle of but
we didn't play in New Zealand in that World Cup.
They got punted by France in that semi final. So
(40:15):
but we beat them earlier in the year. We beat
them quite convincingly in Stateum Australia. So did that sort
of tick the box?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Did I mean we're World Cup champions? We can say
we are, But there's something about a line series as well.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
And as like Owen said, it's pretty special to have
that on your resume.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
One on both.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
It was a good time. We had every trophy, right,
we had every trophy. Let us load to donations through everything.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
And there's lessons from two thousand and one for this
current Wallaby creue. You can lose the first test and
you can win the series. You don't know what you
don't know? You wait twelve years and you hear how
big a line series is. It seems that everyone, whether
it's eighty nine, whether it's two thousand and one, whether
it's the All Blacks in two thousand and five in
their first game early on, you don't realize how big
it is until you're out there and that noise hits
(41:04):
you in the face. The same end, you're not going
to finish off the series and the same team you
started with you you've got to go deep into your squad.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
And it all starts in terms of the footy this
Saturday at opt the Stadium.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
But don't forget all week long.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
We've got you covered right here on your home of
rugby stands Sport tomorrow our first ever hit of Lion Central.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
And one man, one young man who'll.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Have his eyes firmly fixed on it is young Joey
who is I've just found out stand Sport's number one viewer.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Number one viewer.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, has recently submitted his school project, which was just
all rugby. He loves Mark Eller, he loves John and Loomu.
He loves David Campe.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Have you got good?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
How good is it?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
The great the game boy?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
He started?
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Well, how good is it when you get our younger crew,
younger generation just owning the game and it is there,
be on and end all, and they take it to school,
the school project.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
I hope you've got an A plus for that as well.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
I'm looking at it now. It's magnificent production for years.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Surely I read the short stories, Joe, make great work
and sorry loves Noel Lascio there and yeah, I love
the amount of information you collected and put down. It
was good to see. Maybe we'd have to get you
on the desk when you graduate from school.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
It's going to be Jonah too.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Loves Jonah, so do we fellas well done on the show, Joe,
well done on your continued support between two posts, but
don't forget tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
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