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and of course the schedule of events Saturday and Sunday
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the activity that takes place tomorrow, and that is the
Pennzoil two fifty that is going to take place again
back on the oval for IMS. That is obviously not new,
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nineteen ninety eight Dale Jarrett the first to kiss the bricks?
Who will do it this year both from the standpoint
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Speaker 3 (01:23):
Only the best run here at the Indianapolis five hundred.
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Speaker 2 (01:57):
From inside the Bet three sixty five command center, Jay Querry,
Mike Thompson, Landon Kons is putting it all together for us.
This is Beyond the Bricks on this once again a
Friday night leading into a weekend of racing at the
Indianapolis Motor Speedway Brickyard. Weekend is upon us and Mike Thompson.
I know that you had referenced earlier in the week
(02:20):
that you are six foot six. I myself six foot four,
although when I went to a physical after the age
of fifty, they told me now six three and three quarters.
I'm a little depressed about it. But nonetheless, both of
us tonight not near as tall as normal because this
is a shorter version of Beyond the Bricks, correct.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It is, It's sort of the abbreviated version tonight. I
was a little surprised when we got the schedule this
week and saw we had a short schedule tonight, but
they'll still be fun, nonetheless.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So we are going to do what is called kind
of a potpoury variation of the program. Mike has worked
hard as he always does and coming up with some
audio and showcasing different people in personalities that high end
of the history of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and let's
get right to it in the form Mike of Paul Goldsmith,
who not only was one of those characters that we
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love about Indianapolis, but also sadly one that we have
lost in the last year.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, Paul Goldsmith is a guy who was near and
dear to my heart. He was a really good guy,
super super good guy. When I was putting together my
trading card set that I put together a few years ago,
I wanted him to be in it because he was,
you know, the oldest living five hundred driver at the time.
And I approached him about it and called him about
it and got him on the phone. And I only
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had basically talked to him for about thirty seconds about it.
He goes, anything for you, Mike, just send me the
release and I'll do it, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I mean, he just was.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
He was just that kind of guy. He was just
a really, really good person. I always enjoyed talking to him,
and it's sad that we lost him, But I mean,
he he was almost ninety nine when he passed away.
I mean, he lived an incredibly full life. An outstanding
driver in indians and NASCAR. He won nine races and
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what we know is the Cup Series. He was a
great motorcycle racer, so just an incredible talent all around.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Paul Goldsmith again passing away in early September of twenty
twenty four, so some just about nine or so ten
months ago. But Munster, Indiana is where he passed away.
But he was the oldest, as Mike had mentioned, Indianapolis
five hundred starter and he made starts between nineteen fifty
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eight nineteen sixty three. His best finish came in nineteen
sixty But rather than me recounting all of the accomplishments
of Paul Goldsmith, who better to speak about such subjects
than the historian emeritus of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Donald Davidson.
His thoughts on Paul Goldsmith.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
He was actually born in West Virginia. I think it
was at Parkersburg, I think, and when he was quite young, well,
actually he lived in I didn't know this until recently.
He said. He actually went to school in co Lump
of Ohio for a while and then ended up in Detroit,
actually Saint Claire Shores, Michigan. And I'm not sure if
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his father worked for the automobile in the automobile industry,
but Paul was worked for Chrysler on the assembly line.
I believe a very successful motorcycle racer and a mentor
to Joe Leonard went into stock cars, became very successful,
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never drove open wheel cars, and then drove in the
five hundred. I'm just hurrying this along to kind of
cram it all in. I think stock cars was his
forte and motorcycles of course, but he did drive in
the five hundred from fifty eight through sixty three, and
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he finished drove for Smoky Unich in fifty eight and
was involved in the first time accidents, so never even
made it to turn four on lap one. But the
second now, in nineteen fifty nine, driving a laydown Dambler
Special that had finished second the year before with George Amie,
he finished fifth, and then in nineteen sixty the great
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battle between Jim Rathlin and Roger Ward that ended up
with him finishing in that order. Third was Paul Goldsmith
in sixty one. He broke down late in the race.
I think running fifth with the Racing Associate Special sixty
two was nothing really to write home about. It did
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sixty three with a Damler Special, but not the laydown.
This was a Watson Roadster, and his finishing position is eighteenth,
but actually he was running I think about sixth to
seventh when he dropped out. Anyway, what was interesting later
on when I asked him, I said, did you ever
drive open wheel cars? And he said no, fifty eight
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five on. It was my first time he ever drove
at open wheel. I said, so you never drove modifights
in Michigan and he said no. And so it comes
down to this that he had eight starts in open
wheel competition in his life and they were all USAC
Championship races. Two were at Milwaukee and the other six
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with the Indianapolis five hundred. And he's so respected by
the other drivers. I mean, he was the USAC Stock
Carts champion in sixty one and sixty two after being
a runner up in sixty and I could just go
on and on and on about him. But he was
always a very astute businessman and connected with Ray Nichols.
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And so there was Nichols Engineering, which at one time
was building all of the cars that were in Chrysler
stock cars. I didn't know this, including all of the
Richard Petty cars apparently at the Nickel shop in Griffith, Indiana.
Paul is the oldest living Indianapolis five hundred driver. He
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still flies, and he's got an airport in Griffith, and
I think his airport is an emergency landing for if
O Haare would suddenly shut down. But anyway, Kelly, I
could just go on and on about him. He's just
wonderful motorcycle stories and stock car stories. He was very shy,
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didn't say much for decades, and in the last ten
twelve years he's sort of come out of the He's
loosened up a little bit. Now, he does anecdotes and
he's just become a very very dear friend.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Mike, it's interesting that you had mentioned the fact of
Paul Goldsmith and being the oldest you know, active or
excuse me, the oldest driver to have made an Indianapolis
five hundred start, because in terms of getting to know
Paul Goldsmith, as we heard Donald talking about Paul there,
he is also one that one of the first interviews
that he had done in terms of people getting to
know him was with the Speedway Radio Network. Take us
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through what we're about to hear from the late fifties.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, this was a neat clip when I found it
for the first time. This was I believe the first
time Paul Goldsmith was featured on a worldwide audience. This
is when they were doing the qualifying shows. Still then
Sid Collins was doing the qualifying show, and this was
an opportunity that they would give the drivers a chance
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to just basically introduce themselves and say who they were
and where they were from, and what team they were
driving for what car, and get people used to hearing
the drivers and hearing their names before the big five
hundred mile race. And so this is actually the first
time to my knowledge that Paul Goldsmith was featured anywhere
in any kind of international media exposure.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
This from the nineteen fifty eight Indianapolis five on a
mile race.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Right now, let's talk to Paul Goldsmith as Sat Clauria
Shar's missis.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Paul was a national stock card champion, is also raced motorcycles,
has had a lot of experience in Paul.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
What kind of a thrill was it for you to
qualify yesterday?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Well, Bernie, this is quite a place. This is really
a great sensation to be able to run out here
with all these fellows and this type equipment.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Actually, how much time have you spent preparing getting ready
for this?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Well, we had got the car eight weeks ago, and
we built a car and came here and we got
to qualified in eight.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Week Did to do everything you wanted to do?
Speaker 5 (10:26):
To well? We always like to go a little faster,
but I'm satisfied real well. It was your mechanic, Paul
Smokey Eunich from Daytona Beach, Florida.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
He's also your owner. That's right, all right, Thank you
very much, Paul, Mike.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
We've talked about this before. One of the real thrills
I think, not only for Sid Collins, the voice of
the Indy five hundred back in that era, but also
for dignitaries guests of the race, whether it be actors, actresses, musicians,
and even drivers. It was a real thrill and honor
for them to get the call, if you will, to
come up into the bagoda, into the tower to be
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interviewed by said Collins. Yeah, and it was neat.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Sid would actually on Qualifying weekend, like we just heard
in that last clip was from a qualifying show, he
would actually have some of the drivers come up in
kind of almost like a congo line. He would have
four or five different people per show come up to
the pagoda and he would get to introduce them and say, hey,
you know, this is Paul Goldsmith and this is the
speed he qualified at and he's driving the Demler Special
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or whatever race car they were driving. And so it
was a great opportunity for exposure and Mike, there are other.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Things to get to tonight. For example, whenever we do
a show, and especially if we're going to do a
Pote Mari show, Pope Marie needs a little bit of spice, Mike,
And what better spice that we like? Not necessarily the
strawberries of the James Tavern from Beyond the Bricks lore,
but we love music when it comes to Beyond the bricks, right.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
That's correct. Music and commercials and music I think are
kind of our forte, don't you think that? And interviews
like the yak and Rin interview and the Salt Walter interview.
That's really kind of our wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well what does it say about us come by the
house and well, watch commercials and listen to music for
a couple of hours. What fun that would be. We're
a couple of wild and crazy guys, but music is
what we will do and have fun with it on
Beyond the Bricks when we come back.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
This is beyond the Bricks brought to you by Quality
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Speaker 2 (12:25):
Jay Query, Mike Thompson, Land and Koon's putting it all
together for us. This the final airing at least before
the Brickyard four hundred of Beyond the Bricks. It is
so much fun for us to do this. We also
appreciate those that not only have passed along their appreciation
for it, those that also passed along their sentiments to Mike.
We appreciate that oh so much in allowing us to
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make it possible, or allowing for you to make it
possible for us to do Beyond the Bricks. We're talking
about music tonight, and Mike, I can't stand saying it,
but I will say it nonetheless. Once again you dug
into your arc times to find the music that tortures
my soul for the rest of the year.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I know you like this stuff, and this is the
stuff that you want to hear, and so I bring
it out for the last show of the year because
this gives you something to look forward to for next May.
So here it is, I mean, this is the this
is the key stuff that we're bringing to the table.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Okay, here it is hell Yarborough. Hey, hey, good looking.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Cooking?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Cooking?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Something with me?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Gotcha at dude, Donald bail.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
That fun?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Come along with.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Good looking?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Why you got cooking?
Speaker 5 (14:04):
How's a bad cooking?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Somewhere with me?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I'm free and ready?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So we go, Dad?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
How's about saying?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Man?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
All your time for me?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
No more looking?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I know I've been cooking.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
How's back keeping? Stay?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I'm well, I'm glad. Shall we have a good dollar? Him?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
No littles?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Fun like mold up hill have fun? Come along with me?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Hey, why try cooking?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
How's about cooking something?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
How's the back cook again something? How's about to go again?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Somewhere up with me?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Now? Mike Landon tells me we have one more song,
and all I can think to myself is, please tell
me it's not King of the Road. Please tell me
it's not King of the Road. Please tell me it's
not King of the road. Go ahead, Mike, we have
yet to listen to what. I will not tell you
it's King of the road. But it's King of the road. Well,
and it comes to us from a guy that was,
in fact the King of the road. Or certainly the Ovals,
none other than Richard Petty. It is a classic queue
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up Richard Petty and King of the Road.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Traitor No I got no CD.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Two.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
The Queen be breth man up means final, meaning king.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Of the road.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Her box card night trip.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
This is the nation being of Google maintains oh more
and our signch.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I don't pay anion ess that smooth ost es sure,
but not not be around.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
A long man means final King of the road. Here
a tree, all the tn, all the things, and a
hand out every time.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
And it's luck.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It ain't luck. We know you.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Never a single traded or sad, No.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
God, no.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Man. King of the road.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
As great as King of the Road is Jake. The
one thing we haven't talked about all week is the
big news this weekend at the brick are four hundred?
Are you excited to meet Cookie Monster?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I did see the cookie monsters the Grand Marshal. Right,
you listen, I'll be honest with you. Okay, I'm with it,
Cookie Monster. I'm cool. I would have gone personally with
Oscar the Grouch more my speed, more my style, but
I'm cool with Cookie Monster.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I'm down with Cookie Monster as well. And like if
he brings all of the friends like Elmo and some
of the other people, I mean, some of the retro
guys that they brought, you know, Guy Smiley, some of
those guys. I mean, that would be a real party.
As far as I'm concernative, I'm excited to beat Cookie Monster.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I will say that as a kid, See Is for
Cookie was one of my favorite songs. All right, Mike,
about fifteen seconds left. I know you also appreciate the
sentiments of those that passed along. Canolence is to your mom,
but allowing us to do this again for another year.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Absolutely, I want to thank everybody who sent such nice
messages about my mom's passing and looking forward to hopefully
next year being a better may for us all around,
and appreciate everybody's sentiment.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
For Landon Kuns and for Mike Thompson. I'm Jay Query.
Thank you for listening to me on the bricks.