July 21, 2024 • 27 mins
If you ever wondered how Chris Hemsworth gets so buff… then the name Da Rulk needs to be mentioned! Functional training expert, certified strength and conditioning coach, Centr fit coach and larger than life personality Da Rulk has a never-ending supply of energy and then some. Join me as he shares the personal challenges that pushes him to show up every day at his best and his hot tips on pushing through the tough days to love the good ones.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Appoloche Production.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to another episode of Brave Always the CEO series.
This series, we launch into the new world of brave leadership.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Happy people create happy businesses, true.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Emotionally intelligent leadership.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I've picked up vomit once on our about our fourth flight,
and everybody thought, well, if it's good enough for him,
I can do it.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We will be joined by culture and leadership.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Experts and some superstar CEOs who will courageously tell us
the truth behind their brave leadership journeys. Today I am
joined by the amazing and one of my favorite, d Rook.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Functional training expert.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
D'arrook trains superheroes, Navy seals, firefighters, law enforcement, and Chris Hemsworth,
a certified strength and Conditioning specialist with a Bachelor of
Science and Kinesiology. He is the creator of Raw Functional
Training RFT, a revolutionary approach to movement.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Welcome Rourke, how are you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You know, it's so nice to see you. It's been
a while. It's been a couple of years actually.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Later for people who don't know Rooke, obviously a lot
of people in Stratium might know you from the Center
app because I feel like that's something they might have
seen you a lot on and I can tell people
firsthand if you haven't done it.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Rook's pretty. He's frightening on the center. App he's not
so frightening in personally.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
When I read these comments about you and people are like,
oh my god, he killed me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
He's so hardcore, I'm like, he's a teddy bear.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Man, you know, you know that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
He's nice.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I think it would be interesting just for the listeners
who might have been not so familiar with you a
bit more about like what your program does and what
it is that you mainly do.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Guys, you were saying, my educational backgrounds guinesiology, emphasis and biomechanics,
and I did all my research on movement sequencing, so
it's any type of movement secrecing and how it directly
correlates to a drenal system management and nervous moptimization, So
basically managing your drenal system and organizing your nervousism, so
helping you think better and be more conditioned and control
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your adrenaline while you're in stressful situations. So for me,
a lot of my training curricular foundation is all body
weight based, so you don't have to utilize load or
weight or anything. You pretty much just use your body weight.
So it was something that I worked with a lot of,
you know, professional athletes and lead athletes. I'd work with
a lot of first responders just because they're in high
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stress situations. So whether that be fieries, law enforcement, military,
et cetera, any type of stressful situations, I helped to
manage that adrenaline. I started working with Chris, and when
we did that, we started focusing a lot more on
how that directly correlates to the metabolism and getting you
functionally strong and getting your metabolism optimized. And so a
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lot of people loved it. It's hard, but it's like
I said, people get scared of it, but you know
it's not that scary.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So you're talking about the kind of exercises you do
or you teach these first responders help them lower their
stress levels, they make better decisions in the moment.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
It's interesting because when you're doing movement sequencing, you know
the methodology is all based in For example, if I
told you to run around the track one time, easy day.
But if I told you to change the movement pattern
every ten meters, every five meters and I told you
crawl backwards, cross sideways, hop skin, jump up, jump out,
hop on one leg, move around, you'd be exhausted by
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the time. Because every time that we have to motor
plan and figure out what the next sequence is, you're
forcing not only your body but your brain to kind
of come in line to figure that out. And that's
where the adrenaline starts to increase, right, and your adrenal
system gets elevated, and your nervous system has to maintain
some balance so you can make correct decisions and recall
that information from a cognitive perspective. So I've seen a
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lot of my training protocols be very applicable to not
only elite athletes and first responders, but those in corporate
leadership positions, et cetera. Because really, you want to sharpen
the spear across the board. You not only want to
be functionally strong and functionally efficient, but you also want
to make sure neurologically that you are sharp and you're
able to articulate and recall information and your cock through
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function as at a high level. And in order to
do that, you have to be able to think while
you're training. So a lot of us when we do training,
we do a lot of things where we're just moving
and we're trying to zone out. You kind of like,
even if you go for a jog, you're you know,
I don't want to think. I just want to move.
And that's totally fine from a cardiovaster standpoint, But when
you get into a functional movement perspective and try to
be functionally more efficient, you have to always be thinking
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right And that's where the application comes in with a
lot of first responders because when you go into situations
i e. Through like a firey going into a building,
law enforces are going in with Chase the suspect, you
have to be thinking the entire time. You have to
focus on your sensory processing and taking in all that
data and the information around your surroundings and environment. But
then you have to focus on getting your motive planning
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and your cognitive function at a high level so you
can execute and utilize all that strength condition that you've
been training for.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, that's super interesting because I totally zone out when
I exercise.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
This is not thinking at all.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
You just mean.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Maybe what the next lyric is, But you know, I'm
you're telling me I need to be thinking more when
I'm exercising.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's interesting because I mean, for me, like a lot
of the things that we do, I mean even from
coal water emersion therapies and a lot of the stuff
that's been doing right now. You know, I work with Plunge,
and you know Andrew Huberman does a lot of the
recover modalities. I've been doing a lot of the resilience
protocols and understanding how anytime our body's put under stress,
our ability to become more resilient is probably the most
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important thing, right because we're able to succeed and is
important in learning how to win. But a lot of
people do not know how to lose. I always tell
people that I work with that I can't guarantee that
you're gonna win, but I guarantee through the process you're
going to lose and you're gonna fail. That's one hundred
percent guarantee. And I think the trouble that a lot
of people have is in those situations, their ability to
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overcome that and be more resilient is really the key.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So yeah, I'm really glad you talked about resilience because
resilient is a key part of what I talk about
when it comes to leadership. Now, I talk a lot
about resilience being the obstacles.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Are the path.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
This is like how I describe it to a lot
of paper, right, like the obstacles of the past, Like
it's going to be that they're going to happen, But
how do you prepare yourself for it?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So how does d prepare himself to be resilient? No
one will believe this in the world.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They'll think that Darrual bounces out of bed every morning pumped,
he's full of But.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I reckon it's not true, erck. And some days you
don't want to get out of bed.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
No, absolutely. I think that's a great question. And I
think for me it's always about capacity. Increasing your capacity
is always very important to me. There's pillars in doing so.
And I think one of the most important things is
you've got to have purpose, right, So there has to
be a reason why you get up, reason why you're
doing something. And so the purpose is kind of our
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GPS system. It kind of keeps our north star, It
kind of keeps us going and keeps us in the
right direction even when we get lost, and we all
get lost in the process. Secondly, I think it's discipline.
So discipline for us is really about making sure you're
doing something even when you don't want to do it right,
You've got to get up. If you've made a commitment
to yourself, then you have to follow through in that
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commitment and do it whether you feel great about it,
you don't feel great. You're going to be great some
days you're not, but you stay disciplined. And then when
you apply that discipline over time, that discipline then becomes consistency.
And when you have a consistent discipline over time with
a strong purpose, then you start to increase your capacity.
And I think in order to become resilient, you have
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to have the capacity to manage the failures, manage the
setbacks so that you can dust yourself off and get
up and get back after it. And I think people
sometimes look at it from a perspective of I need
motivation or I need someone to inspire me. But unfortunately,
I think when you focus too much on inspiration and motivation,
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they're not real. They're kind of fleeting emotions that sometimes
work and sometimes don't. They're like, you know, those that
utilize any type of crutch, whatever that may be, when
they're stressed or they're sad, and they lean on it,
it becomes this addiction. So I'm always about making resilience
an addictions rather than be addicted to something that's not
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going to be supporting your overall goal and initiative. I
find to lean a lot more on to just embrace
things that are hard and embrace things that are challenging,
because when you do that, it kind of resets your
brain to kind of do more of that, embrace more
of that. On a larger basis, We've.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Talked to a lot of great leaders on this podcast,
and a common denominator or theme that I've seen with
everybody is they've all had to face or overcome some
kind of adversity, right, Like, it's been a real common thing.
And I think anyone I've spoken to hasn't had to
go through something in order to get where they've got to.
But is there been a challenge that you can think
of or a moment you went through where you're like, well,
that's kind of made me the person name today?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Would you say that's the same for you?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's definitely not been an easy ride. I think through
the process. I mean also, as you know, you know,
like being a dad is always challenging, right because there's
people that are counting on you, et cetera. But I
think you start to second guess yourself a lot because
all of us that are essentially whether you're working within
a company or you're an entrepreneur, you have to lean
on yourself. A lot of us lean on We're blessed
to have good friends or family around us that will
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support us through different hardships and challenges. But as you
kind of grow into yourself, you understand that it's really
you got to pick yourself up and you have to
understand it. And I think, looking back, I don't regret
any of my setbacks. I don't regret any of my
losses because that's where I learn the most, because I
don't feel like you learn anything from wins. Anytime you
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win or you succeed, you learn nothing. It's kind of
like you celebrate it. It's important to celebrate it. But
at the same time, I think you don't learn anything.
And I'm such a student of the game, the student
of life, that I almost embrace failure. I embrace, you know,
doing things that are not I'm not going to be
proficient at. Because people tend to kind of shy away
from those things, and you have to be willing to
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take ridicule and people to think that you're silly, you're
a little different, You're not sitting in the same room
as all of us. You're willing to stay longer, get early,
you know, do things a little differently. And I think
those are the people that I gravitate toward and I'm
passionate about because when you lose, the fear of failing
comes much stronger. So I think that's something that can
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be cultivated within a corporate environment as a culture, because
most of the leaders, business leaders, you have an employees
or base, you know, people that are counting on them
for guidance and to give them to lead the ship.
And so I think the culture you want to have
is where everyone embraces that same perspective, which is it
may not be fun, but understanding that, hey, we didn't
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succeed here, but we learned a lot and we're going
to continue to learn as we move forward. And I
think if that becomes the barometer for success, then you're
on the right ship. And so I think that's where
all of us are trying to get to at this point.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I totally agree with you and surrounding yourself with people
who back you and support you is great. But for me,
it's always an element of self belief, right because to
your people, right, you've got to have this self. But
do you feel you've always had that? Like is that
just been like you were born Drooks, like you know,
he's always had self belief or is that something you've
had to learn?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think it's inherently. I think it was something that
you had to learn, And that's something I had to
learn personally, you know, growing up. It was one of
those things for me that I've always done think a
little differently. I beat it to my own.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Drum, can't imagine it.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. So I'm always I've always been
a little bit different when it comes to that perspective,
and I've been fascinating with it.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah. I wanted to talk you about this because you're
based in California, right, Yes, yes, so it would be
when would be one of the places where the most
pressure to be somebody or to look a certain way
or to behave a certain way. Right, So how hard
is it like when you talk about authenticity and I
know this of you, you're a very loving fun, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But here's a big question for you. Sure is that
the authentic you?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That's a great question. And I think I'm much more
of an introvert. I'm not an exterpt. You would think
i'ld be an out loud but that it really drains
my energy if you could be like an outgoing introvert, right,
So I need my time to kind of find out
is that who you are as well? Entirely right, because
I what happens is that you give so much. Because
when I'm engaged and we're getting involved in some type
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of an event or some type of business venture or whatever,
you're all in. Like I'm all in. But I think
some people are able to kind of manage that where
they'll give like sixty percent seventy percent of their energy.
I don't know how to do that. I just go
one hundred percent in and I'm like everything's going into it.
But what happens is that I realize, like if I
don't take time to sit back and recover and find
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my balance, and if I don't take time to do
those things, that's where I start to have issues. I
think I lose my creativity, I lose my drive, I
lose a lot of those things. So I think it's
important to have time to have balance. And that's where
I think there's a direct correlation m to in the
training world that I live in, everyone was so focused
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on performance for so long. Right, there's three pillars in
my business, which is performance, recovery, and wellness. Those are
the three pillars. So you sit in one of those
three pillars, and I think for so long people are
off performance. If you don't focus on the recovery and
taking care of yourself and recovering from that training and
that performance, right, then it directly starts affect your third pillar,
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which is the wellness, which is you just your overall
health and wellness and my mental and physical health. So
I think from my standpoint in business and in general,
we were talking about being those insurants. I need that
because when I started to find out early in my
career is that I would push so hard into performance
and giving that then you have nothing left for recovery
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and this pillar starts to crumble, then your wellness crumbles
as well. So I think balance is something that we
all find We all have different types of balance and
levels of balance, but I think it's important that we
find that part of ourselves that is a balance. And
I applaud those that could be totally extroverts and they're
just like they need it. But I definitely need my
quiet time and my time to reset and find my
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balance again.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Look, I've got a big smile on my face because
I find it very had to explain to people. Everyone
thinks I'm allowed extraver all the time. M's always out
there and she's always crazy. It's one hundred percent I'm not.
I You call them my Patagonia days, right, This is
my name for it, which means I just want to
move to Patagonia and lie in a field and no
one talked to me for like two weeks.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So some days I have those days.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Do you ever feel like you're putting on it? Like
you have to put on the mask? Like you can
wear the mask if you have to, you throw on
the mask. You can be that total high energy like
I put the mask on. But that mask ares get
heavy and uncomfortable at a certain point, and I can't imagine.
I try to liken it to people that, so you
put a mask on, you wear it, everyone loves it.
But then when you want to go to sleep, you
have to wear the mask to there has some color
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of time. We take the mask off and you just
kind of reset yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, I know, right, And I just think that what's
important for leader is as well is for a lot
of us there is that mask all the time, like
you've got to step up, You've got to you know,
sometimes you're going to show up when you don't want
to show up. But you're right if you're not taking
that time out to recover, right, because time's tough, like
people are time Paul basically right, So when do you
find this time to recover and do this for you?
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And I have found over the years I have felt
that level of burnout and lost my creativity at times
because I'm like, I don't have anything left in the tank.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
You have to fill it up, you have to plan
it out. If you don't, you're going to run out
of gas and then you're stuck on the side.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But this is I think where vulnerability comes in the
right to the play, because what sells or what's interesting
or what people often admire is the go go, go,
go go.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And this is where imposter.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Syndrome comes in, right, because everyone thinks I can't compete
with that because I can't be that person. I mean,
there be people out there that think I'm never going
to be like, well, sure right, and they never will.
But but you but they'll have this like level where
they'll go, I can't get there. But actually you've got
another side to the coin right where you need to
reboot and ranogize.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But don't you agreek up that mean with you with
your friends and the people that you know. I think
everyone has another side of the coin. It's just how
well they hide it or how they're willing to express it.
There's just there's no way, no matter who it is,
the most high profile person has another side of the coin.
So I think when you talk about vulnerability, it's much
more about being honest with yourself, right, And I think
you cannot be vulnerable unless you're honest. If you're not honest,
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you're not really being vulnerable because you're still hiding. You're
still hiding you trying to like pretend that you're this
or that. But you have to be honest that I'm
not superhuman, that this is who I am. When I go,
I go, when I go to the best my ability
and I go full throttle. I kick ass teck names.
But at the same time, there has to come a
time where you have to reset. And it's not bad,
it's actually necessary. I don't think it's like natural, like oh,
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it's just your human It's necessary. Every peak performer that
I've ever been around, elite athletes, elite Olympic athletes, lead
professional athletes, elite tactical you know, operators from the standpoint
of military set all the same. They have to recover.
You know, if they go on like for example, guys
that are like on seal teams, they'll go on deployment
and they're intense. When they come back there ghosts. You
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cannot find them. They need time alone, they need tell
to family, they need to times solo. They have to reset.
That's how we are, that's how we're built. So I
think this whole culture of just go, go go, I'll
rest later. I think people equate resting to laziness, and
it's not resting is to be very thoughtful, mindful of
laziness rest. You have to find an adequate amount of
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time and optimal rest in recovery. If you do, then
you'll be able to have a higher quality of performance
in time that you're training. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
All right, I'm going to ask you to flashback.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I don't know how long you need to flash pack,
but let's go at twenty year old d'arrooke, you're twenty.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Years old, son of a bitch, that was.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I'd love to see what that looks like a picture
for me? Do we have do we have less? Hear more?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Here?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We have hair back? Then? The hair, all the hair,
eyes all escaped, they all left, they left the building,
they ran. I tried to keep them on where they left.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well, you're a bit like the rock, right, Like I've
got this vision of the rock like a big loft
to hair back then, But what's the best advice you would.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Give twenty year old d'arrook? Right now?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You know, at twenty years old, when you're young, I
think we always gauge ourselves based on our success. And
like so, I was so definitely afraid of failing or
not knowing what to do. The advice I would give
myself back then is it's okay, don't be afraid to
not know, but keep moving forward. I think progress For me.
I struggled and I got paralyzed a lot of times
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mentally by thinking I'm going to make the wrong decision.
I think I got paralyzed many times, going I don't
know what to do, so I'm just not going.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
To do anything so common, so common, right, And I think.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Those are things that we, I mean, people still struggle
with that now. I mean I think for me, I
would think I would tell myself it's okay not to know,
just as long as you keep going forward. And I
think another thing I tell myself is if you fail,
it's good, It's okay you're supposed to, but understand that,
embrace it with the perspective of you're going to fail,
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you're not going to be great at it, but you
still want to continue to down that path, keep doing it.
If you don't like something great, let's understand it. But
don't stop something just because you're not good at it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
A couple of last things I want to ask you,
and one of those is around and it's one of
the things I love about you. So enjoy, as you know,
is my business. Joy is a big factor of it, right,
because life should be fun. Right. I spoke to this
really interesting lady. Her name is Mets Speakes. She produces
things like Big Brother and Farmer wants.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
A wife and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
She's really cool, lady, But she said this thing that
it's our job as leaders of our craft or whatever
we do, it's our job to make it interesting. And
I love that, right Like, she believes we should make
it interesting, make it fun. Like where does joy come
into the stuff that you do?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Like?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Why is it so obviously important to you?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Right? Like, you're not this super serious, don't smile, don't
bring joy?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Like where does the joy that come from?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I think it's interesting because you told me just now
that lady had said to you that it's our job
to make it interesting for me in fitness and movement,
I try to not overcomplicate it because in my industry
people try to overcomplicate. That's how the industry, my industry
works and generates revenue. Is that let me try the
new thing. This is how you do it, and you
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have to learn this. You have to learn that, and
you want to be a student of the game. Don't
get me wrong, but the joy of moving is such
a blessing because so many people can't write, and as
you get older, people go I wish I could just
walk around it out her. So the joy of moving
is really just to demystify it and say, hey, listen,
don't overcomplicate it. And if anything, that's where I try
to embrace life. If you're just moving around every day,
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they're good to go. You don't have to do my training.
You can do whatever you love, yoga, pilates, but do something.
And that aligns with what we just talked about. From
the perspective of what would you tell your twenty year
old self, it's just keep moving, keep moving forward, and
keep moving every day. Some days are better than others.
But I think that our job in our industry is
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always to get people to go to try to move
forward right, brave always, and bravery is not the absence
of fear. Is the existence of fear and still going forward.
Fear has to exist in order to be brave. If
there's nothing to be scared of, there's no reason to
be brave. So in order to be brave, we have
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to do that. So I think it's important for us
that we get people moving. Some people are out there
and go, how am I going to get back into shape?
How am I going to do this? To fall off
the bus? As long as you're brave, fears good, you're
going to need that in order to get want to go.
So it's a necessary component of the process. And I
think for us as leaders in different areas of business,
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it's important to let people know it's okay to be scared,
it's okay to be uncertain, it's okay to have doubt,
because without that you're not going to be able to succeed.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Was there ever an opportunity then that came upon your
life where you wish you'd be more brave and taken it?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You know? Interesting, when I was younger, I wished I
would have traveled more. I think travel is one I
wish I was open more to doing things that I
wasn't great at because I think now I would appreciate
if I was better at them now, even more so
than travel. It's just going back and you're really a
lot of the things that real poigtant questions are asking
because they're triggering me to think about different things. And
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I think, which is great, which is why you're great
at what you do. But I think for me it's
much more about, you know, looking back, the regrets I
have are my inability to stay consistent and discipline with
things that were hard, and I wasn't good at because
looking back, I wish I had that context or those
skill based things that I would have gathered if I
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just would have tried it and not been afraid of
not looking great at it, not being good at it,
worrying about what other people say. That's another thing. I
think that is one of the hardest things. We're so
driven by our peers in our communities that they can
inhibit us, right, because we tend to project fear to
others that are inside ourselves. So don't do it. Don't
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try it in because that could be bad, you know, like,
can I get it? But if you have conviction and
that's what you want to do, a better route is
that that is that sounds kind of scary. But if
that's what you want to do, do you think that you
want to try it? That's awesome. Fuck, I got your back,
that's rat right, And I think growing up I didn't
necessarily always have that around me, so it was kind
of like, you know, what if I fail, what if
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I drop the ball? And I think those are things
that looking back, those are the times that I doubted
myself and I think I look back and I go, man,
But you learn from them right. So I don't regret
any of that those things, but I think that is
the thing is and I try to you know, stand
that in into my kids, and I also try to
express that to anyone I work with. Is that you know,
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whenever you go and I'm sure being a leader in
what you do, there's people around you. I might always
want to try this, but I'm a little scared. I
don't know if I'm really good at it, and what
if it doesn't work out? Right? But what if it does?
No one ever talks about what if it does? They
always want to tell people if not, just be prepared
for it might not work out and you're going to fail,
it's going to be horrible. Then what right?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
And this is I guess why I'm so passionate about
the space, because I imagine a world where leaders of
organizations and large organizations had this mindset.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We would all be trying and failing but learning.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
You know, like the greater the turmoil, the greater the growth, right,
And it is something I only learned sort of, you know,
getting close to my forties, to be honest, where I
was like, when you're going through that challenge, that pain,
those failures, what you come out the other side, is
nothing compares to it.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Otherwise you're just standing still.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And unfortunately, I think generational when we grow up, that
wasn't always the message that we were given. Right, and
so I get it. But all we can do is
I love how you've used that though, so then I
can see why you're so disciplined now, right, Yeah, you know, now,
just keep going.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's going to get there. I'm going to get there.
I love that, and I think.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But that's like I said, and those are the little things, right,
getting up early and doing this stuff and training, even
the cool water verge, all those things that I gravitate toward,
because it's just the days that I'm like, man, that
was hard to do. I don't want to do it, yea,
because if you got to look back the day after
that and go yesterday, I was a piece of shit.
I didn't feel like doing it. I didn't feel like
going anywhere, and I feel like getting up. I got
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I got it done. You get a sense of empowerment
from that.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I won't lie.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I've had that, and I try and deny it, but
I've got out of bed some mornings and push. I mean,
I'm not jumping into cold plunges. But like even just
going for my half our walk, there are days where
I get back and I go damn, like I know
I do.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I feel heaps better. It's not just the physical. It's
a mental discipline that I pushed through.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Its metal. I think that's where one thing is focus
on the it's not. It's like, you've got to get
your that's going right. Even at work, you know how
it is. You're just like I do not want to
be here today at the office. I don't want this work.
I don't want to go to these meetings. I don't
want to take these calls. I don't want to deal
with these clients. I don't want to deal with my employees.
But you've got to find a way to make the
shitty days good days, because then the good days will
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become amazing, epic.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Days that people don't link. Make the shitty days good days.
Push through and do it anyway and see how that feels.
I think that's great advice.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I love it. I love it. So I want to
ask you this for all the people that think they.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Know darrul right, everyone who follows you and does your moves,
what's one thing about you something you love even right
that would completely surprise people.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I'm pretty out there, you know. Like I said, I like,
it's so funny, Like can I just say this word
real quick? So when I did Center, they're like, hey,
I go listen. I'm going to talk about I love donuts.
And they're like listen. They sat me down. You're like,
you cannot do that because you're a trainer and you're
supposed to be you can't do that, and so they
have very hard to heart serious talk. And then I
(26:07):
was like, I got it. I totally understand. I got
to be inspirational and I can't. Can't say a parrot
sticks and I get it. As soon as I got on,
I was like, donuts, dude, eat them all day long.
Dozn't of them? And I think it's for me. It's
like you get to a certain age where you just
you just throw it out I don't give a shit.
You just don't give a shit anymore. You just like
(26:27):
you just throw it out there. And it's like so
liberating when you're just like whatever, Like for me, like
I never been one to feel bad looking stupid. So
if you're not afraid to look stupid, then you're kind
of just like you can do anything.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You've been doing anything.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
You heard it first here on my podcast that why
don't you know you heard it on Center. But I
do love the fact that you've admitted that you can
be the fittest man in the planet and love donuts.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I love that they're like and then people are like, hey, listen,
I don't like beer. I'm like, really, wow, I'm sorry,
you know, I'm like, I just for me, It's like,
just be realistic, don't have to like hide it the
fact that that's who you are and what you want
enjoy life. Just find your balance right and do the
hard shit so that you can appreciate the ship that's
fun and easy. It's like, that's just kind of who
(27:09):
I am. So but question, I'm going to actually think
about that. I have to come back to you for
the next episode.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, I want to. I want to hear I
reckon you can tell.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
You or something, and I'll be like, I'm just gonna
say it's okay for you to have that you dance
around to Mowana or Frozen like, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
And I honestly hope that your mindset around letting people
know that it's okay to fail to push through, that
what you're trying to do isn't just about looking beautiful
or sexy or strong. It's also about pushing your mental limits,
about looking after your health.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Like, I love that angle of it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So I love what you do, and I hope you
can spread that more around the US and come back
over to OZ and spread a bit more back here.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Thank sure, awesome, Well, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I appreciate you.
Appoloche Production.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to another episode of Brave Always the CEO series.
This series, we launch into the new world of brave leadership.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Happy people create happy businesses, true.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Emotionally intelligent leadership.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I've picked up vomit once on our about our fourth flight,
and everybody thought, well, if it's good enough for him,
I can do it.
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Now.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We will be joined by culture and leadership.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Experts and some superstar CEOs who will courageously tell us
the truth behind their brave leadership journeys. Today I am
joined by the amazing and one of my favorite, d Rook.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Functional training expert.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
D'arrook trains superheroes, Navy seals, firefighters, law enforcement, and Chris Hemsworth,
a certified strength and Conditioning specialist with a Bachelor of
Science and Kinesiology. He is the creator of Raw Functional
Training RFT, a revolutionary approach to movement.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Welcome Rourke, how are you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You know, it's so nice to see you. It's been
a while. It's been a couple of years actually.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Later for people who don't know Rooke, obviously a lot
of people in Stratium might know you from the Center
app because I feel like that's something they might have
seen you a lot on and I can tell people
firsthand if you haven't done it.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Rook's pretty. He's frightening on the center. App he's not
so frightening in personally.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
When I read these comments about you and people are like,
oh my god, he killed me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
He's so hardcore, I'm like, he's a teddy bear.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Man, you know, you know that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
He's nice.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I think it would be interesting just for the listeners
who might have been not so familiar with you a
bit more about like what your program does and what
it is that you mainly do.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Guys, you were saying, my educational backgrounds guinesiology, emphasis and biomechanics,
and I did all my research on movement sequencing, so
it's any type of movement secrecing and how it directly
correlates to a drenal system management and nervous moptimization, So
basically managing your drenal system and organizing your nervousism, so
helping you think better and be more conditioned and control
(01:59):
your adrenaline while you're in stressful situations. So for me,
a lot of my training curricular foundation is all body
weight based, so you don't have to utilize load or
weight or anything. You pretty much just use your body weight.
So it was something that I worked with a lot of,
you know, professional athletes and lead athletes. I'd work with
a lot of first responders just because they're in high
(02:20):
stress situations. So whether that be fieries, law enforcement, military,
et cetera, any type of stressful situations, I helped to
manage that adrenaline. I started working with Chris, and when
we did that, we started focusing a lot more on
how that directly correlates to the metabolism and getting you
functionally strong and getting your metabolism optimized. And so a
(02:40):
lot of people loved it. It's hard, but it's like
I said, people get scared of it, but you know
it's not that scary.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So you're talking about the kind of exercises you do
or you teach these first responders help them lower their
stress levels, they make better decisions in the moment.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
It's interesting because when you're doing movement sequencing, you know
the methodology is all based in For example, if I
told you to run around the track one time, easy day.
But if I told you to change the movement pattern
every ten meters, every five meters and I told you
crawl backwards, cross sideways, hop skin, jump up, jump out,
hop on one leg, move around, you'd be exhausted by
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the time. Because every time that we have to motor
plan and figure out what the next sequence is, you're
forcing not only your body but your brain to kind
of come in line to figure that out. And that's
where the adrenaline starts to increase, right, and your adrenal
system gets elevated, and your nervous system has to maintain
some balance so you can make correct decisions and recall
that information from a cognitive perspective. So I've seen a
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lot of my training protocols be very applicable to not
only elite athletes and first responders, but those in corporate
leadership positions, et cetera. Because really, you want to sharpen
the spear across the board. You not only want to
be functionally strong and functionally efficient, but you also want
to make sure neurologically that you are sharp and you're
able to articulate and recall information and your cock through
(03:58):
function as at a high level. And in order to
do that, you have to be able to think while
you're training. So a lot of us when we do training,
we do a lot of things where we're just moving
and we're trying to zone out. You kind of like,
even if you go for a jog, you're you know,
I don't want to think. I just want to move.
And that's totally fine from a cardiovaster standpoint, But when
you get into a functional movement perspective and try to
be functionally more efficient, you have to always be thinking
(04:20):
right And that's where the application comes in with a
lot of first responders because when you go into situations
i e. Through like a firey going into a building,
law enforces are going in with Chase the suspect, you
have to be thinking the entire time. You have to
focus on your sensory processing and taking in all that
data and the information around your surroundings and environment. But
then you have to focus on getting your motive planning
(04:42):
and your cognitive function at a high level so you
can execute and utilize all that strength condition that you've
been training for.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, that's super interesting because I totally zone out when
I exercise.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
This is not thinking at all.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
You just mean.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Maybe what the next lyric is, But you know, I'm
you're telling me I need to be thinking more when
I'm exercising.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's interesting because I mean, for me, like a lot
of the things that we do, I mean even from
coal water emersion therapies and a lot of the stuff
that's been doing right now. You know, I work with Plunge,
and you know Andrew Huberman does a lot of the
recover modalities. I've been doing a lot of the resilience
protocols and understanding how anytime our body's put under stress,
our ability to become more resilient is probably the most
(05:23):
important thing, right because we're able to succeed and is
important in learning how to win. But a lot of
people do not know how to lose. I always tell
people that I work with that I can't guarantee that
you're gonna win, but I guarantee through the process you're
going to lose and you're gonna fail. That's one hundred
percent guarantee. And I think the trouble that a lot
of people have is in those situations, their ability to
(05:46):
overcome that and be more resilient is really the key.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So yeah, I'm really glad you talked about resilience because
resilient is a key part of what I talk about
when it comes to leadership. Now, I talk a lot
about resilience being the obstacles.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Are the path.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
This is like how I describe it to a lot
of paper, right, like the obstacles of the past, Like
it's going to be that they're going to happen, But
how do you prepare yourself for it?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So how does d prepare himself to be resilient? No
one will believe this in the world.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They'll think that Darrual bounces out of bed every morning pumped,
he's full of But.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I reckon it's not true, erck. And some days you
don't want to get out of bed.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
No, absolutely. I think that's a great question. And I
think for me it's always about capacity. Increasing your capacity
is always very important to me. There's pillars in doing so.
And I think one of the most important things is
you've got to have purpose, right, So there has to
be a reason why you get up, reason why you're
doing something. And so the purpose is kind of our
(06:41):
GPS system. It kind of keeps our north star, It
kind of keeps us going and keeps us in the
right direction even when we get lost, and we all
get lost in the process. Secondly, I think it's discipline.
So discipline for us is really about making sure you're
doing something even when you don't want to do it right,
You've got to get up. If you've made a commitment
to yourself, then you have to follow through in that
(07:02):
commitment and do it whether you feel great about it,
you don't feel great. You're going to be great some
days you're not, but you stay disciplined. And then when
you apply that discipline over time, that discipline then becomes consistency.
And when you have a consistent discipline over time with
a strong purpose, then you start to increase your capacity.
And I think in order to become resilient, you have
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to have the capacity to manage the failures, manage the
setbacks so that you can dust yourself off and get
up and get back after it. And I think people
sometimes look at it from a perspective of I need
motivation or I need someone to inspire me. But unfortunately,
I think when you focus too much on inspiration and motivation,
(07:47):
they're not real. They're kind of fleeting emotions that sometimes
work and sometimes don't. They're like, you know, those that
utilize any type of crutch, whatever that may be, when
they're stressed or they're sad, and they lean on it,
it becomes this addiction. So I'm always about making resilience
an addictions rather than be addicted to something that's not
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going to be supporting your overall goal and initiative. I
find to lean a lot more on to just embrace
things that are hard and embrace things that are challenging,
because when you do that, it kind of resets your
brain to kind of do more of that, embrace more
of that. On a larger basis, We've.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Talked to a lot of great leaders on this podcast,
and a common denominator or theme that I've seen with
everybody is they've all had to face or overcome some
kind of adversity, right, Like, it's been a real common thing.
And I think anyone I've spoken to hasn't had to
go through something in order to get where they've got to.
But is there been a challenge that you can think
of or a moment you went through where you're like, well,
that's kind of made me the person name today?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Would you say that's the same for you?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's definitely not been an easy ride. I think through
the process. I mean also, as you know, you know,
like being a dad is always challenging, right because there's
people that are counting on you, et cetera. But I
think you start to second guess yourself a lot because
all of us that are essentially whether you're working within
a company or you're an entrepreneur, you have to lean
on yourself. A lot of us lean on We're blessed
to have good friends or family around us that will
(09:08):
support us through different hardships and challenges. But as you
kind of grow into yourself, you understand that it's really
you got to pick yourself up and you have to
understand it. And I think, looking back, I don't regret
any of my setbacks. I don't regret any of my
losses because that's where I learn the most, because I
don't feel like you learn anything from wins. Anytime you
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win or you succeed, you learn nothing. It's kind of
like you celebrate it. It's important to celebrate it. But
at the same time, I think you don't learn anything.
And I'm such a student of the game, the student
of life, that I almost embrace failure. I embrace, you know,
doing things that are not I'm not going to be
proficient at. Because people tend to kind of shy away
from those things, and you have to be willing to
(09:49):
take ridicule and people to think that you're silly, you're
a little different, You're not sitting in the same room
as all of us. You're willing to stay longer, get early,
you know, do things a little differently. And I think
those are the people that I gravitate toward and I'm
passionate about because when you lose, the fear of failing
comes much stronger. So I think that's something that can
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be cultivated within a corporate environment as a culture, because
most of the leaders, business leaders, you have an employees
or base, you know, people that are counting on them
for guidance and to give them to lead the ship.
And so I think the culture you want to have
is where everyone embraces that same perspective, which is it
may not be fun, but understanding that, hey, we didn't
(10:33):
succeed here, but we learned a lot and we're going
to continue to learn as we move forward. And I
think if that becomes the barometer for success, then you're
on the right ship. And so I think that's where
all of us are trying to get to at this point.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I totally agree with you and surrounding yourself with people
who back you and support you is great. But for me,
it's always an element of self belief, right because to
your people, right, you've got to have this self. But
do you feel you've always had that? Like is that
just been like you were born Drooks, like you know,
he's always had self belief or is that something you've
had to learn?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think it's inherently. I think it was something that
you had to learn, And that's something I had to
learn personally, you know, growing up. It was one of
those things for me that I've always done think a
little differently. I beat it to my own.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Drum, can't imagine it.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. So I'm always I've always been
a little bit different when it comes to that perspective,
and I've been fascinating with it.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah. I wanted to talk you about this because you're
based in California, right, Yes, yes, so it would be
when would be one of the places where the most
pressure to be somebody or to look a certain way
or to behave a certain way. Right, So how hard
is it like when you talk about authenticity and I
know this of you, you're a very loving fun, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But here's a big question for you. Sure is that
the authentic you?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That's a great question. And I think I'm much more
of an introvert. I'm not an exterpt. You would think
i'ld be an out loud but that it really drains
my energy if you could be like an outgoing introvert, right,
So I need my time to kind of find out
is that who you are as well? Entirely right, because
I what happens is that you give so much. Because
when I'm engaged and we're getting involved in some type
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of an event or some type of business venture or whatever,
you're all in. Like I'm all in. But I think
some people are able to kind of manage that where
they'll give like sixty percent seventy percent of their energy.
I don't know how to do that. I just go
one hundred percent in and I'm like everything's going into it.
But what happens is that I realize, like if I
don't take time to sit back and recover and find
(12:34):
my balance, and if I don't take time to do
those things, that's where I start to have issues. I
think I lose my creativity, I lose my drive, I
lose a lot of those things. So I think it's
important to have time to have balance. And that's where
I think there's a direct correlation m to in the
training world that I live in, everyone was so focused
(12:55):
on performance for so long. Right, there's three pillars in
my business, which is performance, recovery, and wellness. Those are
the three pillars. So you sit in one of those
three pillars, and I think for so long people are
off performance. If you don't focus on the recovery and
taking care of yourself and recovering from that training and
that performance, right, then it directly starts affect your third pillar,
(13:15):
which is the wellness, which is you just your overall
health and wellness and my mental and physical health. So
I think from my standpoint in business and in general,
we were talking about being those insurants. I need that
because when I started to find out early in my
career is that I would push so hard into performance
and giving that then you have nothing left for recovery
(13:37):
and this pillar starts to crumble, then your wellness crumbles
as well. So I think balance is something that we
all find We all have different types of balance and
levels of balance, but I think it's important that we
find that part of ourselves that is a balance. And
I applaud those that could be totally extroverts and they're
just like they need it. But I definitely need my
quiet time and my time to reset and find my
(13:58):
balance again.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Look, I've got a big smile on my face because
I find it very had to explain to people. Everyone
thinks I'm allowed extraver all the time. M's always out
there and she's always crazy. It's one hundred percent I'm not.
I You call them my Patagonia days, right, This is
my name for it, which means I just want to
move to Patagonia and lie in a field and no
one talked to me for like two weeks.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So some days I have those days.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Do you ever feel like you're putting on it? Like
you have to put on the mask? Like you can
wear the mask if you have to, you throw on
the mask. You can be that total high energy like
I put the mask on. But that mask ares get
heavy and uncomfortable at a certain point, and I can't imagine.
I try to liken it to people that, so you
put a mask on, you wear it, everyone loves it.
But then when you want to go to sleep, you
have to wear the mask to there has some color
(14:39):
of time. We take the mask off and you just
kind of reset yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, I know, right, And I just think that what's
important for leader is as well is for a lot
of us there is that mask all the time, like
you've got to step up, You've got to you know,
sometimes you're going to show up when you don't want
to show up. But you're right if you're not taking
that time out to recover, right, because time's tough, like
people are time Paul basically right, So when do you
find this time to recover and do this for you?
(15:04):
And I have found over the years I have felt
that level of burnout and lost my creativity at times
because I'm like, I don't have anything left in the tank.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
You have to fill it up, you have to plan
it out. If you don't, you're going to run out
of gas and then you're stuck on the side.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But this is I think where vulnerability comes in the
right to the play, because what sells or what's interesting
or what people often admire is the go go, go,
go go.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And this is where imposter.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Syndrome comes in, right, because everyone thinks I can't compete
with that because I can't be that person. I mean,
there be people out there that think I'm never going
to be like, well, sure right, and they never will.
But but you but they'll have this like level where
they'll go, I can't get there. But actually you've got
another side to the coin right where you need to
reboot and ranogize.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But don't you agreek up that mean with you with
your friends and the people that you know. I think
everyone has another side of the coin. It's just how
well they hide it or how they're willing to express it.
There's just there's no way, no matter who it is,
the most high profile person has another side of the coin.
So I think when you talk about vulnerability, it's much
more about being honest with yourself, right, And I think
you cannot be vulnerable unless you're honest. If you're not honest,
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you're not really being vulnerable because you're still hiding. You're
still hiding you trying to like pretend that you're this
or that. But you have to be honest that I'm
not superhuman, that this is who I am. When I go,
I go, when I go to the best my ability
and I go full throttle. I kick ass teck names.
But at the same time, there has to come a
time where you have to reset. And it's not bad,
it's actually necessary. I don't think it's like natural, like oh,
(16:26):
it's just your human It's necessary. Every peak performer that
I've ever been around, elite athletes, elite Olympic athletes, lead
professional athletes, elite tactical you know, operators from the standpoint
of military set all the same. They have to recover.
You know, if they go on like for example, guys
that are like on seal teams, they'll go on deployment
and they're intense. When they come back there ghosts. You
(16:47):
cannot find them. They need time alone, they need tell
to family, they need to times solo. They have to reset.
That's how we are, that's how we're built. So I
think this whole culture of just go, go go, I'll
rest later. I think people equate resting to laziness, and
it's not resting is to be very thoughtful, mindful of
laziness rest. You have to find an adequate amount of
(17:08):
time and optimal rest in recovery. If you do, then
you'll be able to have a higher quality of performance
in time that you're training. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
All right, I'm going to ask you to flashback.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I don't know how long you need to flash pack,
but let's go at twenty year old d'arrooke, you're twenty.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Years old, son of a bitch, that was.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I'd love to see what that looks like a picture
for me? Do we have do we have less? Hear more?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Here?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We have hair back? Then? The hair, all the hair,
eyes all escaped, they all left, they left the building,
they ran. I tried to keep them on where they left.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well, you're a bit like the rock, right, Like I've
got this vision of the rock like a big loft
to hair back then, But what's the best advice you would.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Give twenty year old d'arrook? Right now?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You know, at twenty years old, when you're young, I
think we always gauge ourselves based on our success. And
like so, I was so definitely afraid of failing or
not knowing what to do. The advice I would give
myself back then is it's okay, don't be afraid to
not know, but keep moving forward. I think progress For me.
I struggled and I got paralyzed a lot of times
(18:10):
mentally by thinking I'm going to make the wrong decision.
I think I got paralyzed many times, going I don't
know what to do, so I'm just not going.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
To do anything so common, so common, right, And I think.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Those are things that we, I mean, people still struggle
with that now. I mean I think for me, I
would think I would tell myself it's okay not to know,
just as long as you keep going forward. And I
think another thing I tell myself is if you fail,
it's good, It's okay you're supposed to, but understand that,
embrace it with the perspective of you're going to fail,
(18:41):
you're not going to be great at it, but you
still want to continue to down that path, keep doing it.
If you don't like something great, let's understand it. But
don't stop something just because you're not good at it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
A couple of last things I want to ask you,
and one of those is around and it's one of
the things I love about you. So enjoy, as you know,
is my business. Joy is a big factor of it, right,
because life should be fun. Right. I spoke to this
really interesting lady. Her name is Mets Speakes. She produces
things like Big Brother and Farmer wants.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
A wife and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
She's really cool, lady, But she said this thing that
it's our job as leaders of our craft or whatever
we do, it's our job to make it interesting. And
I love that, right Like, she believes we should make
it interesting, make it fun. Like where does joy come
into the stuff that you do?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Like?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Why is it so obviously important to you?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Right? Like, you're not this super serious, don't smile, don't
bring joy?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Like where does the joy that come from?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I think it's interesting because you told me just now
that lady had said to you that it's our job
to make it interesting for me in fitness and movement,
I try to not overcomplicate it because in my industry
people try to overcomplicate. That's how the industry, my industry
works and generates revenue. Is that let me try the
new thing. This is how you do it, and you
(19:53):
have to learn this. You have to learn that, and
you want to be a student of the game. Don't
get me wrong, but the joy of moving is such
a blessing because so many people can't write, and as
you get older, people go I wish I could just
walk around it out her. So the joy of moving
is really just to demystify it and say, hey, listen,
don't overcomplicate it. And if anything, that's where I try
to embrace life. If you're just moving around every day,
(20:14):
they're good to go. You don't have to do my training.
You can do whatever you love, yoga, pilates, but do something.
And that aligns with what we just talked about. From
the perspective of what would you tell your twenty year
old self, it's just keep moving, keep moving forward, and
keep moving every day. Some days are better than others.
But I think that our job in our industry is
(20:35):
always to get people to go to try to move
forward right, brave always, and bravery is not the absence
of fear. Is the existence of fear and still going forward.
Fear has to exist in order to be brave. If
there's nothing to be scared of, there's no reason to
be brave. So in order to be brave, we have
(20:56):
to do that. So I think it's important for us
that we get people moving. Some people are out there
and go, how am I going to get back into shape?
How am I going to do this? To fall off
the bus? As long as you're brave, fears good, you're
going to need that in order to get want to go.
So it's a necessary component of the process. And I
think for us as leaders in different areas of business,
(21:18):
it's important to let people know it's okay to be scared,
it's okay to be uncertain, it's okay to have doubt,
because without that you're not going to be able to succeed.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Was there ever an opportunity then that came upon your
life where you wish you'd be more brave and taken it?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You know? Interesting, when I was younger, I wished I
would have traveled more. I think travel is one I
wish I was open more to doing things that I
wasn't great at because I think now I would appreciate
if I was better at them now, even more so
than travel. It's just going back and you're really a
lot of the things that real poigtant questions are asking
because they're triggering me to think about different things. And
(21:53):
I think, which is great, which is why you're great
at what you do. But I think for me it's
much more about, you know, looking back, the regrets I
have are my inability to stay consistent and discipline with
things that were hard, and I wasn't good at because
looking back, I wish I had that context or those
skill based things that I would have gathered if I
(22:14):
just would have tried it and not been afraid of
not looking great at it, not being good at it,
worrying about what other people say. That's another thing. I
think that is one of the hardest things. We're so
driven by our peers in our communities that they can
inhibit us, right, because we tend to project fear to
others that are inside ourselves. So don't do it. Don't
(22:36):
try it in because that could be bad, you know, like,
can I get it? But if you have conviction and
that's what you want to do, a better route is
that that is that sounds kind of scary. But if
that's what you want to do, do you think that you
want to try it? That's awesome. Fuck, I got your back,
that's rat right, And I think growing up I didn't
necessarily always have that around me, so it was kind
of like, you know, what if I fail, what if
(22:56):
I drop the ball? And I think those are things
that looking back, those are the times that I doubted
myself and I think I look back and I go, man,
But you learn from them right. So I don't regret
any of that those things, but I think that is
the thing is and I try to you know, stand
that in into my kids, and I also try to
express that to anyone I work with. Is that you know,
(23:17):
whenever you go and I'm sure being a leader in
what you do, there's people around you. I might always
want to try this, but I'm a little scared. I
don't know if I'm really good at it, and what
if it doesn't work out? Right? But what if it does?
No one ever talks about what if it does? They
always want to tell people if not, just be prepared
for it might not work out and you're going to fail,
it's going to be horrible. Then what right?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
And this is I guess why I'm so passionate about
the space, because I imagine a world where leaders of
organizations and large organizations had this mindset.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We would all be trying and failing but learning.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
You know, like the greater the turmoil, the greater the growth, right,
And it is something I only learned sort of, you know,
getting close to my forties, to be honest, where I
was like, when you're going through that challenge, that pain,
those failures, what you come out the other side, is
nothing compares to it.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Otherwise you're just standing still.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And unfortunately, I think generational when we grow up, that
wasn't always the message that we were given. Right, and
so I get it. But all we can do is
I love how you've used that though, so then I
can see why you're so disciplined now, right, Yeah, you know, now,
just keep going.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's going to get there. I'm going to get there.
I love that, and I think.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But that's like I said, and those are the little things, right,
getting up early and doing this stuff and training, even
the cool water verge, all those things that I gravitate toward,
because it's just the days that I'm like, man, that
was hard to do. I don't want to do it, yea,
because if you got to look back the day after
that and go yesterday, I was a piece of shit.
I didn't feel like doing it. I didn't feel like
going anywhere, and I feel like getting up. I got
(24:39):
I got it done. You get a sense of empowerment
from that.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I won't lie.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I've had that, and I try and deny it, but
I've got out of bed some mornings and push. I mean,
I'm not jumping into cold plunges. But like even just
going for my half our walk, there are days where
I get back and I go damn, like I know
I do.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I feel heaps better. It's not just the physical. It's
a mental discipline that I pushed through.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Its metal. I think that's where one thing is focus
on the it's not. It's like, you've got to get
your that's going right. Even at work, you know how
it is. You're just like I do not want to
be here today at the office. I don't want this work.
I don't want to go to these meetings. I don't
want to take these calls. I don't want to deal
with these clients. I don't want to deal with my employees.
But you've got to find a way to make the
shitty days good days, because then the good days will
(25:23):
become amazing, epic.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Days that people don't link. Make the shitty days good days.
Push through and do it anyway and see how that feels.
I think that's great advice.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I love it. I love it. So I want to
ask you this for all the people that think they.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Know darrul right, everyone who follows you and does your moves,
what's one thing about you something you love even right
that would completely surprise people.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I'm pretty out there, you know. Like I said, I like,
it's so funny, Like can I just say this word
real quick? So when I did Center, they're like, hey,
I go listen. I'm going to talk about I love donuts.
And they're like listen. They sat me down. You're like,
you cannot do that because you're a trainer and you're
supposed to be you can't do that, and so they
have very hard to heart serious talk. And then I
(26:07):
was like, I got it. I totally understand. I got
to be inspirational and I can't. Can't say a parrot
sticks and I get it. As soon as I got on,
I was like, donuts, dude, eat them all day long.
Dozn't of them? And I think it's for me. It's
like you get to a certain age where you just
you just throw it out I don't give a shit.
You just don't give a shit anymore. You just like
(26:27):
you just throw it out there. And it's like so
liberating when you're just like whatever, Like for me, like
I never been one to feel bad looking stupid. So
if you're not afraid to look stupid, then you're kind
of just like you can do anything.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You've been doing anything.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
You heard it first here on my podcast that why
don't you know you heard it on Center. But I
do love the fact that you've admitted that you can
be the fittest man in the planet and love donuts.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I love that they're like and then people are like, hey, listen,
I don't like beer. I'm like, really, wow, I'm sorry,
you know, I'm like, I just for me, It's like,
just be realistic, don't have to like hide it the
fact that that's who you are and what you want
enjoy life. Just find your balance right and do the
hard shit so that you can appreciate the ship that's
fun and easy. It's like, that's just kind of who
(27:09):
I am. So but question, I'm going to actually think
about that. I have to come back to you for
the next episode.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, I want to. I want to hear I
reckon you can tell.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
You or something, and I'll be like, I'm just gonna
say it's okay for you to have that you dance
around to Mowana or Frozen like, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
And I honestly hope that your mindset around letting people
know that it's okay to fail to push through, that
what you're trying to do isn't just about looking beautiful
or sexy or strong. It's also about pushing your mental limits,
about looking after your health.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Like, I love that angle of it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So I love what you do, and I hope you
can spread that more around the US and come back
over to OZ and spread a bit more back here.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Thank sure, awesome, Well, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I appreciate you.
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