Angel McCoughtry

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up, Y'all's your girl? Tory Tory cart you are
told in I've been to a few Diddy park I've done.
I did, I said the other day in it.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
And if you say that, what you masturbate a lot.
If you don't have a party, I.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Have to get my butt cut open. Yeah, was like yo,
man Toy said, mun Fire was not coming home the
way he should have been coming home. That mother fire
I got. I have Angel mccuttry here with me. Y'all
make some noise. Let's go now. I played in high school, okay,

(00:57):
but you took it to the next level. And you
know I fumbled the ball. You haven't you had turnovers?
I mean I was point. Would you getting assists? I
assist defense? Okay? Yes, I did all that, but I
didn't take it to the next level. You took it
to the next level. Okay, So please, please Angel, let

(01:20):
the world know who you really are. Oh man, I
mean they need to know.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
I mean I would consider myself a dathn't bay legend okay.
Drafted number one two thousand and nine Olympic gold medalists.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Never thought I would be an Olympian. I just girl
from Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Love to play, you know, labeled a tomboy because there's
not a lot of girls out there playing, right, I
love to play ball. It was just the guys out there,
but I felt like being out there that they helped
me to get that toughness in that grid. You know
you're from Philly, right, yeah, so you know that area
like we known for basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
You know what I'm saying, it's basketball town.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Okay, so listen, m country my contry Countree. Okay, first
of all, why your name is so hard? It's Irish
because that's the first thing I was like, mccartree. I mean,
it's like McConaughey. Do people I would do people mix
it up with Matthew McConaughey.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Or McCarty twins, Like I get that.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I get that McCarty twins. Okay, So when did you
know that she was going to make it in basketball.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I didn't know, Like like I said, I just it
was something I loved. And so how I got started.
I started playing basketball at eight. Somebody in my mom's
job was like, your daughter's tall, you should get in basketball.
My mom was like, how do I do? That's like
go to your local rec center. But my dad played ball.
He played at Coppa State. So my dad didn't think
to resonate like he has all girls. I have two
younger sisters, so he didn't think like, let me put

(02:51):
my girls in basketball, you know. So my first time
on the court, I hated it, and I told my
mom I never want to do this again because I
couldn't catch the ball and stuff like that. But the
coach told her mom, He's like she has something. He's like,
I'm like, of course, we didn't see it, and I'm like,
what does he see? But when I was young, I
just had like what we call now the dog. I

(03:12):
had a dog in me and you.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Had a dog. Was it a pit bull? Was it
a poodle? Was it? What was the dog? What was
the dog?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I ended up most aggressive, attacking dog.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I just had it inside of me. It was a
it was okay, So you had this pit bull on
you at the age of eight. Okay, all right, So
was that when you were first on that court? After that? Right?
Mm hmm, okay? What have what transpired after that?

Speaker 2 (03:43):
So after that, of course you go through ups and downs.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I was playing and then I remember there was a
transition around like eleven twelve where they were like, oh,
you need to develop more, so we're gonna play with
the younger girls.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I'm like, how are you gonna put me with ten
year olds? And I'm eleven.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I was pissed, right, But something just happened, Like in
that summer when I got twelve, it was just it
was over with. I was like just the best player
out of nowhere. Even the girls just like, how did
you become so good? I was like, I don't know,
It's just I think my time just hit. You know,
it just came.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Were you practicing every day? Was it like? Because that
doesn't just happens happening? I know, I just I did
practice every day I was on. So me and my
dad used to get in arguments because I had to be.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
In the house before the lights was off. In my
mind as a kid, why do I have to be
in the house when the lights is off? But the
boys they can still be out there playing, So I'm
like why they get to stay.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
He's like, because you're a girl.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
So that started a lifelong battle with my dad of
this female male thing. I'm a baller too, I need
to be out there. No women are different. You got
to be in the house. I didn't get it.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
But that's because he didn't have any boys, right, But
I get it now as a woman, I should have
been in the house. But in my mind, I'm a
basketall player. I need to be out there too, Okay,
but yeah, I mean I don't get that either, because
you were a baller. Okay, so your basketball I Q.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Oh my god, look you know I mean.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Well, I mean I did sometimes sometimes. I mean, like
I told you, I was point guard. I didn't show
my dad, didn't play ball or nothing. I picked up
a ball in seventh grade. Oh wow, Yeah, and I
just did it on my own.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
You just did it on your own.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I I just picked it up and started playing. And
now I was not good like you.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
But did you enjoy it? I loved it.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
It isn't fun. It's like a fun game.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Like thank you too. I haven't been in basketball, right.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
It just it just takes away your problems, like you
can just have fun and just like and then I
think it's the sisterhood too that we get together from
playing basketball. Like now my college teammates their coaches and
they do different things and they may bring me in
and offer me a job.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I can offer them a job, Like it's that camaraderie.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
That camaraderie, yeah, camaraderie.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Okay, So, okay, all right, so you you went from
Plan Ball, you went from that, right there? Yeah? Okay,
So high school, Oh.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
My gosh, so high school. I went to Saint Francis.
It's the same high school that Angel Reese went to.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Can I say this, by the way, Okay, you.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Could say whatever you want to say, say whatever you
want to say.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
So when I go out now and people here, I'm
a done May player and I'm telling my name is Angel.
You're Angel Reece from Angel mccartrey, I'm like, can I
just say this? Angel is trying to accomplish everything I've accomplished,
So I'm gonna need all get excited when I tell
you I'm Angel McCarty. Okay, but that's another story. But
me and Angel Reese went to the same high school.

(06:40):
We're both from Baltimore. So the generation now may not
have seen me play, but Angel Reee is probably the
greatest example of like how I play with that dog
that added Toude, Like we're from Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's just it's just in us, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
So high school went to Saint Francis, we won state
and all that. I signed with Saint John's University of
New York, Saint John's.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Well, my cousin went to Saint John's, So I know
Saint John's. Yeah, okay, Yeah, but I didn't pass.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
That damn SAT score. You know that ship is that?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Okay? So when you got to Saint John's.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I didn't get to Saint John's. I ain't passed my
SAT score.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
But you said you played at Saint John's. No, I
signed with Saint John's, Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
So so y'all get what I'm saying, Like, when you
signed your letter of intent, that's that's the school I
chose to go play.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I wasn't recruited by Yukon, Tennessee, all those big schools
back then in.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
That day just because of your grades.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
No, because I just wasn't considered a top player. So
I went to st signed to Saint John's. Didn't pass
my SAT score. So I'm like, oh my god, what
am I gonna do in my life? I know that
I'm still a smart girl. It's just this sat score
don't resonate with my brain. What does this mean?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Right? Especially the way they phrased some questions. It just
ain't it.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
It's trickery. So I wanted to win to prep school
one year after that. And where'd you go to prep school?
It's called Patterson Prep School in North Carolina. Okay, yeah,
so it was like close to Okill. I know a
lot of people know Okill. And then after that I
kind of got recruited over again and I went to
the school in Kentucky called Louisville.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
I went on to visit Arenas. It goes to Louisville. Yeah,
that's my niece.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, she went to Louisville. I think she transferred.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah she's she is, but you know she's. Her and
my daughter are best friends. And I've known her since
she was yeah big in second grade and yeah get it,
Arenas Laura goa van and so they you say, yeah,
she come to my house and sleepovers all of that,
and you know her from you. I've known east Sella

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since she was this big. Yeah no when I tell
you this big? Yeah, you know what all the Arenas is?
They got game? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Love them like right, you have talent. I just enjoyed
writing all of them play. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Okay, so you went to Louisville.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
But went to Louisville on a visit, and I'm like,
something just said this is where I need to be.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Now, let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Louisville was not known for women's basketball during that time.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Okay, it was Rick Patino at men's basketball and Bobby
Patrino for football.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
So people are like, why are you going to Louisville.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
They had never been passed the first round of the
NCAA tournament.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
But in my heart, I knew this is where I'm
supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
I just knew it. So I signed to go to
play in Louisville. That's how I ended there. So Nat
John's was out, Okay, Louisville was in.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
So I'm on campus, I'm there. Everybody's excited. I go
to the men's game. I get to see our men play,
you know, and I'm like, I can't wait to play tomorrow.
Look at this arena. Oh my god, it's electric. Next
day we got a game. I say to one of
the upperclassmen, I'm a freshman. I'm looking around.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
I said, where the fans at? Because you're out from Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Our gym was full.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, Saint Francis and I play in high school. We
had a full gym right where the fans at. She's like,
this is it? How many fans?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Five hundred people in the eighteen thousand Cedarada lo.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
The night before I'm at the men's gang.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I'm expecting that same energy, right, and I'm like, this
is what's the fun? I wish I could go to Yukona, Tennessee,
because when I watched on TV, they always got fans.
Why are we She's like, this is it? And I'm like, bruh.
That day I said in my mind, I said this
is going to change. I swear to God. As a freshman,
I had no idea how I said this is going
to change. I swear to God to you guys. By

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the time I was a senior, we averaged about fifteen
thousand fans.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Each year.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
We just got better and better. So I remember my
junior year, I'm in a gym. I would be in
the gym all night, all night. I didn't even go
party in college like that.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I'm in a gym. So my coach he comes in
the office late. He just comes.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
He's like, what are you doing here? I was like,
I'm always in a gym.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Let your coach's name Jeff Walls, And he says, you
want to go to a final four?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm like, hell, are here?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
You want to be a champion?

Speaker 1 (10:52):
He said, bring your teammates.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
In here with you.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
I was like yeah, because I could be as good
as I want by myself, right right, I could be
in the gym five hours. But if I don't help
these other girls become great, what am I? So you
put the team on your back, man. That's when I
became a great leader. I started grabbing my teammates and
bringing them in, bringing them in. That year, I went
to a final four in the national Championship game, averaging we.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Had sold out arena.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I went from being a freshman or nobody, no fans,
to playing from the eighteen thousand, going to the final four,
being a number one pick. All because not just because
I decided to be great, but I wanted to help
others become great. And that's how you become the best.
What did Michael Jordan do Kobe Duo? They made others
around him great and that's what made me a great
basketball player.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
So can you, okay, take us back to that moment
when you were a freshman in college. Yeah, okay, yeah,
and you're thinking, like, first of all, because you said
you're from Baltimore and said you were used to the
arenas are in full yep, all right, and you're like,
I need that energy. Need that energy, man, you need

(12:03):
to feel it. So and your coach told you bring
your teammates. Do you remember the first teammate that you
went to and said, I need you in this gym
with me so we can ball and bring all the
fans onto this arena.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
And mind you, this is before nil, so we didn't
have that brand pushing and getting everybody in with the
brands how they do now with like Juju and all that.
So this was totally a different era. The first person
I remember, Becky Burke. She was a white girl shooter.
I said, come in gym, let's work on your three
point shot. She is now the head coach for the
University of Arizona. Okay, so that's my girl.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So she came, she's like okay, she just said okay,
it was that easy. So do you remember what you
said to Becky.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
I was like, yo, I need you hitting like fifty
percent of the threes. If you a three point shooter,
can't be thirty percent. I could be thirty percent because
I'm a slasher. I'm like a score like Lebron. We
just scored different spots.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Okay, a three.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Point shooter, but I can hit one every now and
then I could be thirty percent.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
If what you do was shoot threes, you gotta hit fifty.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I getting a gym.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Okay, That's how I became a great leader. They knew
that I wanted them to be great too, and they
all came in and I made it. And mind you
once again, louisvo wasn't known to be a Tennessee or Yukon.
We didn't have any high school All Americans, not a one.
How did I go to a Final four when not
one high school All American? It's amazing when you go back

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and think about it.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Well, because you were the leader, and that's what you
did what you were supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I learned how to become a great leader. And to
become a great leader, you know your personnel. I knew
who I could yell at, I knew who I couldn't.
I knew who needed a.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Pat in the back. I just figured it out.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
And I feel like that helped me to now to
become a great businesswoman being that leader back then, learning
so young how to be a leader.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Okay, so sophomore year. What happened sophomore year after you
recruited people as a freshman, Well, first.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Than I didn't recruit people. I was learning, and I
was like, this is gonna change. But my sophomore year,
we started winning and we got ranked the first time,
so we never had ranked top.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Twenty five ever in the school history.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
So we got ranked.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
So that's when we started making some noise and everybody's like,
who's this Angel maccartry.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Kid, And you get credit for that, Yeah, because I was.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
We played in the Big East, and mind you, the
Big East is a hard it was back then. It
was sixteen teams.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
You're talking about Seaton Hall, Saint John's, Yukon, I mean
just Georgetown, like, and I had I was like leading
in three categories in the biggiest.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I was leading rebounds, the steals.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
And scoring.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
So I was the biggest play of the year, you
know what I'm saying. Then, But then we lost in
the second round in the tournament. So my junior year,
I'm like, I got did you lose too? I think
it was Arizona State, Okay, yeah. And then my junior
year we made it to the lead eight and we
lost to North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
They were good back then, you know. And then my
senior year, I made it all the way to the end.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay, made it all the way to the end, to
the national championship game.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Now, of course we lost in Yukon, because back then
it was just all about Yukon. But the fact I
made it there to play against a team who had
all high school Americans and I didn't have not one
high school American teina never been ranked in the history
or been to the final four. That was pretty damn good.
Now Louisville has been since then, has been put on

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the map. They've gone four final fours since then, they
averaged over ten thousand fans.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Louisville is set for life now.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
And you see you, Okay, can you say, being brutally honest,
that you're the reason that that's why Louisville. Everybody says that.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Everybody say every time I go back, you're the reason
you built this. They say, I built this house and
I'm the only woman in the rafters at the Young Center.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
So you have what West Sounsell dealg Griffin.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
You have all the NBA players that made it out
of Louisville, tons of them, Okay, whole rack, and you
got this one girl sitting there by herself that is South.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
No. Hey, now I don't want to be sitting there
by myself.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Now, I need my girls. I need more of my
girls up there.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
So hopefully soon it's going to be a rack of girls,
just like it's a whole rack of boys.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
So why why do you feel like, okay, so you
you came in there, we need a movie about this angel. No,
I mean because more people need to know like this is.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, I mean this generation doesn't really know obviously the story.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
But man, I worked my butt off, like I.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Did it the hard way without NL, without social media,
and I just worked.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, you said NIL. For people who don't know, can
you tell them.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
What NIL is is name, image and likeness.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Okay, so if you want to use my name image
of likeness, now you can do that with the kids.
They're making tons of money, you know what I'm saying.
So people come to be thinking like, you know what,
you would have made it NL, I said, don't remind me.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I don't even hear it, right, you know what I'm.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Saying, because these kids now making millions, like changing money,
like youtuo's not going to rush to come out of usc.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, because they're getting paid in college now. So you're
basically saying you weren't getting paid in college. None of
us were like right, the Fab five, you know what,
they would.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Have made it?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
N Al, come on, do them? But they all made
I mean well, I mean Chris Webberwait made it. U
they all made millions later on.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, il oh my god, it's over it right because
I mean, I'm sitting here a star in college, but
I had to call on my mom.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I don't have any more money. Can you order me
a pizza?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
That was the life?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Wow? Okay, So you graduate from the university.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Graduate to become a number one drive pick.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Okay, so Atlanta. I'm manifested that I'm going to Atlanta.
I said it every day. Now let's talk about it.
I'm a number one pick in the MBA. My salary
was forty four thousand. As a number one pick.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Forty four thousand a year.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
I could have worked at McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Forty four thousand?

Speaker 1 (17:49):
So when they told you that you were going to
be making forty four thousand a year, what was your
thought when you heard that?

Speaker 3 (17:55):
I didn't even focus on it because I was so excited,
Like I was coming off the hype of a.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
National chamship game.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I was number one pick, you know, I was just
and back then, endorsements weren't really rolling like they are
now for the girls. I was just decided for that
hyper momentum that I didn't even think about the forty
four you know what I'm saying. But as I started
getting in the league, I'm like, I'm the start player
on this team. I'm making forty four and these girls
on the bench making one hundred thousand?

Speaker 1 (18:23):
What's going on? So way time out? I'm sorry, Yeah,
you're the star player. You're making forty four thousand a
year and the girls on the bench are making one hundred.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Clouds, they made this rookie contract thing, and so I
was mad about that. So it's like, we got to
change some rules in the dumb bay, you know what
I'm saying. So we really fought for a lot of
things to change. So even now Caitlin Clark, she's a
number one pick, right, it's Kate Park she's making an avdy.

(18:52):
Now we're not talking about outside. We're talking about just
in dumbay, just.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
The salary from the WNBA, not all the hours. Right.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
We fought for her to get to seventy, right because
he talked about I was making forty four.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
We fought for that.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Now, thank god she has our Nike deal and all
these other stuff, so she need not worried about it.
But like, we got to get to a point where
the DUBBA can make these women financially stable. I'm financially
stable because I played my butt overseas for fifteen years.
I've made my dumb bas salary triple that in one
month overseas.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Okay, So okay, so let me ask you this. Okay,
So you go overseas, right, because you're saying this, the
salary in the US is pretty much bullshit. Okay, So
you go overseas. So what are they paying you overseas
over season? I'm getting eight hundred thousand are thousands?

Speaker 3 (19:42):
And dumb bay, I'm making forty four, So I can't
say that and don't get mad at me the dun man.
I can't say that I'm wealthy because of BA. I
can't say that. And it's just starting truth right right.
But what the dumb Bay has done, it gives us
disposure over here. We get to play in front of
our families, different things like that. So we even had
to fight for like just the incentives for women who

(20:03):
are pregnant, who get pregnant, you know, and things like that.
Like even now, like we're fighting for different things Like
our NBA counterparts they make millions, but they get, you know,
the insurance after they were touch a pension. Like right now,
I'm not playing. I don't have insurance. The dumb Bay
doesn't give us. We don't We're not covered.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
So that's stuff that we're fighting for now.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Even the splits of the revenue splits, so I think
the NBA gets the fifty percent of like if you
buy the jersey and all of that, we don't get
a percentage. So my jersey selling whatever, I don't get
nothing from that. So we got some imperment to do.
We got some more fighting to do, for sure, and
not just for women's basketball, but for soccer, for like everything,

(20:43):
for okay, everything.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, Now, let me ask you this, why why do
you think that is? Is it just maybe because there's
not as many fans in the stands. Is that what
the issue is? Or what are they saying that part
of it? But here's the thing, it's marketing.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
So it's like when I meet people and I tell
them they want to come see me play, because now
they know who they're.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Coming to watch.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Right, you're not gonna go watch the NBA if you
don't know who you're watching.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
You guys know what lebron ate for breakfast that morning. Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
So if we always said, look at where we are
without the same marketing dollars as our male counterparts, we're
not nearly has any marketing like them.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
But look at where we are.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
People still know Diana, people still know Kandas Parker, people
still know Sue Bird, Angel mccontry. So if you market
us and put the brands behind us, it'll work. We
kept saying, it's gonna work. Just market us, they kind
of know us. Now you see it works because now
the brand's are pushing these women.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
It works.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
That's all we needed.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Why aren't they doing that? Then? I think back.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Then it was just it was just this negative connotation
about Dunbay. So think about like this. When men play sports,
they can be themselves. They can just play, they can
have tattoos on the neck whatever. For us, it's like
we got they want us to look a certain way.
She needs to look pretty, or she needs to look
she looks too mask. I do want to see a
bunch of masculine girls run down the crack and watch
the NBA for that, But all the girls are not masculine.

(22:06):
Enjoy the art of the game, not necessarily how we
look because we know the pressure women we gotta they
want us to. It's all about our looks instead of
more of the talent NBA. It ain't about looks. It's
about we see some other ugly motherfucker's playing in the NBA,
but we show and watching enjoy watching them play.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, I think what it is too, I mean, this
is this is what I've heard a lot of men say.
You know, They're like, okay, women will go down the
court and all they do is do lay ups, layups, right,
and so it's they feel like it's no explosive players
in the w n B A Which would you agree?

Speaker 3 (22:44):
I disagree Okay, we I mean a lot of us
don't dun't. But the way we play the game is
a lot better. It's collectively than the men. Right, who
wants to see one on one all the time? We
passed move cut and we are explosive, you know what
I'm saying. It kills me when guys are like, y'all
are playing now, y'all are more athletic now, and y'all
run faster?

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Now, what are you talking about. We've been run faster.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
We just didn't watch, right, We've been I could bet
I was dunking. You just dun girl with ease, not
now though, with ease. So when guys are like, oh,
y'all playing now, did you.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Go back and see Shiryl Miller time these girls were athletic,
you just didn't watch.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Now you're watching, you're thinking that it's some new thing
that we're doing. We've been playing the same just like
it is now, the excitement behind it because the marketing
dollars are in it.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
We've been playing like this.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Okay, Yeah, we've been explosive. It's just obviously you're not
gonna see a lot of dunks, but more girls are
dunking right right, that we well, we know probably because
it's more cameras can see it now.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
But Sheryl Miller was dunking in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Oh I remember that. Yeah, So do you think no, No,
let me ask you this because and this is just
me hearing men as well. They're saying, like, if maybe
if women were shorter shorts and certain types of tops
because they wanted it. I mean, it is what it
is like, it's a very chauviness. It is. It's very chauvinistic.

(24:12):
You know, they want to see women with their titties bouncing,
whether you know, going down the court or short shorts.
Do you feel like if women changed the appearance on
the court, would it be different? I put it like this.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Do most of the dumb, big girls who are pretty
have most of.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
The following, the endorsements?

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, Like Kelsey Fum is a beautiful girl, right, like
one million followers. Y'all know Cameron Briank. She looks like
Cameron dis me. She's a gorgeous woman, right, she has
a lot of following. A lot of the girls who
are pretty have a lot of following, and a lot
of girls probably who may not seem as attractive, but
they can still ball.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
They don't have the following.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
So it is this connotation where it's about looks once
again with women's sports.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Now, I don't think women.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Should have to to degrade themselves to play a sport.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
We playing sports. Just enjoy the art of a hard work.
Like enjoy that she's a mother. Her child is sitting
there watching her, but she's sitting out here running up
and down the court giving her all. Enjoy the art
that man, she's a wife. Because all the girls ain't gay.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Okay, that's another question I was going to ask you.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Okay, I want to get to that one.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Next, what percentage? Because you know what they say, they
say that the WNBA is full of gay women. What
would you say the percentage of gay women in the
WNBA is.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Honestly, it could be fifty to fifty, it could be
sixty forty.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
It's not eighty twenty.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Okay, Like people think.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
There are a lot of wives. It's not marketed as much.
I think it should be marketed more. It's so cool
to see like you guys saw loving basketball at the
end where he's sitting there holding a baby watching her
be drafted in dumb Bay. She's going out is that
scene you see that a lot. He's sitting their courtside
watching his girl play. Why are we not paying on

(26:00):
that more? Right, So to show like this exists, Yeah,
gay exists too, but gay is everywhere, Gays in corporate gaze,
in any sport, gays in life. But it's this connotation
with women's basketball, like we're just all gay and it's.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Just this roughness and it's toughness and.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
You go in the locker room and somebody's putting through
you're gonna be gay. I've never seen none of that.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Honestly, our sisterhood on a team is probably one of
the most precious things nobody's pressure in anything. There's nothing
uncomfortable about our game in our locker room. It is
very like a sisterhood much respect. Yeah, we argue like sisters,
but none of that bull crap that people are thinking.
You know what I'm saying, it's a it's a it's
a beautiful sisterhood.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well would you say that maybe it's because the men
are scared to see women as the leaders, because that
it actually could be that.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, because I'm gonna go back to when I was younger.
I'm ten years old, I'm playing a little boy one
on one. His response to me is girls are not
supposed to be basketball anyway. That's your response to me
kicking your ass at ten? Right, So there is a
male ego that like, for example, whenever I go to
a basketport and I'm just watching the guys, they all
start looking over and they start showing off and it's

(27:16):
just like just playball.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Just because one start competing, they start doing all of that.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
So there is some stuff with that, like you know,
men have this this thing like so I just broke
up with my boyfriend, okay, okay, and it was because
there was a lot.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Of competition, not relationship. I was too dominant, masculine, aggressive,
and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I'm not feminine enough.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
And I think it was more so that he couldn't
take my life. And I feel like, when men are successful,
what do we do. We back behind them, we support them. Yeah,
and now more women are successful, why can't you back
us and support us the same way we do y'all?
It's okay, it doesn't take away from your masculinity, and
it actually should be sexy, right right. So that's why
I'm single now a child, But that's another we're getting

(27:58):
to relationships later, y'all.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Okay, uh yeah, let me tell you.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
About this one. This one kills me. I don't want
my daughter to play basketball because she's going to be gay.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Okay, let's sip.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Let's drink. We gotta sip on that.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Oh it's behind you, yeah my cigarette.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Okay, you're not shoulder. Let's sip on that one. Oh ship.
I want to hear your response to.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
That, I don't want my woman. Well, I don't want
my daughter to play basketball because I think she's going
to be gay. You know what, here's here's here's a
sad fact about me. My dad never came to none
of my basketball games. He never said that, But he

(28:52):
never came to none of my basketball games. And I
played all throughout high school. Not one game, not one game.
Did he ever say why, Like, well, he worked a lot,
but but.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
You at least make one game, especially senior year.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Just one year, not one, just one. But he never
said that, So that's has something to do with it.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, so here's my response to to that.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Okay, put her in volleyball, put her in soccer. There's
gay people everywhere, softball, softball, She's gonna have gay teammates.
Like every sport, but.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
They say basketball, but really I think it's softball.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I mean I think every sport is gonna have a
gay person. So like sit there and say, you know,
she's gonna get turned out. Nobody could turn the person out.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's just who they are.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
That's a choice.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, if you if you want that, that's that's your choice.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Nobody can force you to do anything you don't want
to do. Guess what you go work corporate, You're gonna
work with somebody gay.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Well, just because I dribble the ball up now gay,
I got a basketball. Oh my god, I am.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
They're gonna turn you out. Nobody can turn anybody out.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
That means you just naive to the fact that she chose.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
To do that and maybe dabble.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Some women dabble someone don't. Some get it more serious
with it, some don't. It's just life.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Why don't you think they put that that emphasis more
so on the NBA, Like, do you think there's a
lot of gay men in the NBA?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Absolutely absolutely, But it's hidden.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Like with women, we don't have to hide it, right,
We don't hide.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
It as much as a man has to hide it,
right because it's like worse for.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
A man to be gay.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
It's a big deal, and so they have to hide.
There's a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
But why are they hiding it? It's twenty twenty five.
Why are they hiding being gay? Is? Is it like
maybe a locker room thing?

Speaker 2 (30:44):
I think so?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
I think because like for our locker right for girls gay,
and we know it's what's the big deal?

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Right?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Man is gay his locker room, he's uncomfortable. You're not
uncomfortable in.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Our locker room being gay, but you're very uncomfortable in
men's locker room being gay. Right, y'all saw the movie
What's the Football Player? Hernandez? Obviously they show how his sexuality, right.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
It was hiding, right? Why Yehi, he was uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Right, They're gonna it's a toxic masculinitything and until men,
especially black men, just get over like that.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Even like you hear how men talk no home? Why
did you guys say that?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Who cares? Just say what you're saying, right, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Pause like all of that. Nobody's thinking you're.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Gay because you said this, or you give a do
the hug or you you know what I'm saying, who
freaking cares? But everybody got specified how they talking, especially
in our black community, and it's like, guys, there was
this video, right, it was just like this influencer and
he was asking guys for hugs.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
All the white guys gave the guy a hug all
and they were being so mean to him.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
All the black men like, right, right, why are our
black men like that?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
It's okay, give the man a hug. We don't think
you're gay, we think you're friendly.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Exactually, I actually like you more now that you gave
him a hug.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
That is so sexy, right, Well, it's it's because you know,
it's the church. You know the church. I was raised
in the church, and it's you know, it's the vision,
and they feel like, you know, they have these these
laws and these old rules where you know, you're the

(32:17):
Bible says, you know this is wrong. Homosexuality is wrong.
So a lot of people are raised in the church
and they feel like they can't be their true self
because it's a sin. So do you think it's a sin.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
But you're still all here lyne and cheating and that's
all sin right out here doing crazy stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
You murdered somebody, but you you could kill somebody. But
if you get.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
It right, it's like you makeing gain worse than Tilda
les stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
You know what? And well, actually, yeah that's veryrue.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
It's just just like you're not supposed to have sex
and marriage.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
That's like that's a sin.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, like let's make it make sense.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
So it's like somebody loves I feel like, it's just
why are we still making that stuff a big deal?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Like at this point, it's just like black men, just
be yourself.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
It's okay.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
You ain't got to say pause and no homeowe, just
do you who cares? So I think I think that
comes with a healing. And I'm not trying to single
out black men, but because I love my black man,
I just think that there needs to be a healing,
a Kumbaya with our black man and we get it.
It's been a lot of it's been tough on y'all, socially, economically,
the police ain't easy on y'all. You come you know,

(33:32):
you come from social rough backgrounds. Maybe dad wasn't always there.
It's just it's tough on y'all. But there needs to
be this healing, especially so y'all can't lead us.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, that part, but I don't know if they are
going to be able to do it.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
No, some have healed, now I'm not gonna say some
of y'all are healing, are trying and want to heal
and are healing, but we still have a majority of
our black men who just ain't healed.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
And just then you're hard on us Black women.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, we have strong personalities, but we hold them down
the fort right, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Oh I want this other sicks. It's easier and it's
more feminine, but it's like.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
We still like when you're going through, who's there to
help you to pick you up?

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Right?

Speaker 3 (34:13):
We're there. So it's like, don't knock down these black
women because guess what, who make more six figures than
ever black women?

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, but I think that's the issue. You know, we
still go back and forth and we talk about, you
know how we're always supporting the black men, but we
don't feel like we're getting the same support.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Right, I agree, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
And I mean, and that's the it's always on social
media to this point, it's always that's what it always is. Well, hear,
you know something go viral about this guy saying, well,
I can't date this black woman because of this, or
I go over to this side because it's easier. But
at the end of the day, it's really not easier
because most of the time when they get caught up

(34:59):
in some uf I mean, look at it. Shannon Sharp
just got caught up in a situation because he's dating
another race and not saying it's just because it's another race,
but he's more.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
So the age aspect of it, and it's more so
the immaturity behind it.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
There's a lot of immaturity behind that. And we all
know that Shun, you gotta grow up a little bit, brother.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
You're too old to be acting like a kid, right
right and saying you got to settle down to get married,
but have a little coolness about yourself.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Now, let me tell you this.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Now, black women are also dating more white successful black
women are dating more white men. Yeah, and the statistics
of saying those marriages are lasting, right, I mean, look
at Eve, look at Serena.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I heard, I heard we need to go to Italy.
Because I've been to Italy.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
I heard the loving us.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Over and when I went to Italy, I will say
I ended up getting treated like a queen I state
at one of the top hotel the hotel owner. No, No,
the hotel that I went to on the Mafe Cove
on the island. Like they gave me and my two
girlfriends a sweet no and then set reservations pay for

(36:10):
everything at this restaurant right right across from the coliseum. Girl. No,
I so I'm coming with you. Where we going? Well,
I can't go.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
That's when I was single. I can't, but I can.
I can tell you, okay where to go. I just
have to call my girlfriend Gina, because I get going. Look,
I have short term memory loss, so I don't be
remembering every single thing. Right.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh yeah, that's what you were doing trying to get
I was single.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Then I would say, but I ain't. I ain't do nothing.
I sleep with nobody. I ain't kissed nobody. I did absolutely,
boyfriend ask. No. I have to say that because people
think that just because people do nice things for you,
that you got to sleep with somebody.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
No.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
The men over there were just accommodating, and they really
look out for us. They yes, they right now. Probably
if I would have stayed a couple of days long,
probably would have been like okay, but no, you know
they were setting it up that way. Okay, Now do
you think Magic Johnson's son could have played in the NBA?

(37:24):
Do you think that he would have been able to
play in the NBA considering that he is not a
masculine male.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I think if it was a passion of his I
don't think it was just was not a passion.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
You think that the NBA would have let.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Well, yeah, I mean it's a lot of NBA player
sons who got let in may not not been as
good because somebody else could have been in there.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Wait what but but I'm saying, but they they were
they weren't portraying themselves as you know, a female.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
You saying, like as a female.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
I'm saying because because e J is very feminine.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Right, So you're saying, do I think he could have
got drafted as a feminine man?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yes, because I haven't seen.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
If he really worked and was like wanting to be
like a baller and he was how he is?

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Now what you really think the NBA is ready for that?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
If he could ball? I mean the way howid meant?

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Let me just to stop?

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Okay, the girl question, Howard, I.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Ain't knowing that because I'm cool with his parents and his.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
You know what, but Dwhighte. Howard is not feminine though
he's not he's not and and I know you know, uh,
he's definitely bisexual.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Once again, we don't care, just.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah yeah, right right, And and he did make it
in the NBA, but he never was femine and then
and now he's actually he's engaged, I think, or I
believe he's married, okay, or is that just his beard?
So to answer your question, I don't know. I mean, listen,

(39:14):
you know, and not because I know Reese from basketball wives,
one of his baby mothers, she's always been going at
him for years, Like you know, I've been telling people
this for years. But it's just like, okay, but why
are you telling people this, like you you know this man, Yes, he's.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I think it's more so like we don't care if
you're you're gay. It's more so how you're going about it, right,
We don't. We don't pick up people off the street,
like we don't.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Know, right, that part is that what he's doing. He's
just like out here being reckless.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I just think it's the reckless side of it is
like for you to be in that position once again,
Shannon y'all, in this position, you can't be out here
being reckless.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
But why can't they Why can't they see here? Okay,
here's my issue, right, not that he's being reckless, but
they just they horny. No, you can be horny all
you want, but you can't.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Not be reckless in this position because guess what you
want to know why you can't be because now I'm
getting sued for fifty million and I might lose. I
just lost one hundred million dollar podcasts. You know why
I can't be reckless because now I'm not in the
NBA no more in my Hall of fame. You know
what I'm saying was almost for being reckless, because she

(40:28):
should Dwight still be in the NBA. Absolutely, he should
retire his own terms record.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
He's about to be inducted.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Is that still because I heard that was? No, No,
there's she she just stop posting. Well, she just stopped
posting on social media because she said she was tired
of all the backlash and the scrutiny. I agree, but
but and now here's another take on it. Right. Dennis Rodman,
who I've partied with in Orange County. I love him.

(41:04):
He's so when okay, and when I was in high school,
I cut my hair off, and you know, because I
was a rebounder too, I was point guard. But I
love Dennis Rodman like he was my favorite player, Okay,
And I liked him because he was a bad boy.
I like people that are like outside the box and right. Yeah,
but he was a cross dresser. And Dennis Rodman wore

(41:29):
a wedding dress. He was with Madonna. He did what
he wanted to do. Why was it okay for Dennis
Rodman to you know, make it and be that star?
But they come at Dwight Howard.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Because people, I think people relate to authenticity, you know,
better than so he owned it.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
He owned it.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
This is me.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
I'm colorful, this is how I want to dress. Take
it or leave it. I don't give an f what
you think.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
It is this And when you try to like be something,
you know, I hide it.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
That that opens up the door for people to just
like make fun of you, come at you instead of
when you're saying this is who I am.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
It's me and I don't care.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
People don't come at you as much. It's like, what
reaction am I gonna get this person? Doesn't even care.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
But when you hide in it, it's just like you
just open that door.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Just do you think that maybe that's why the women
why they feel like, okay, do they do they? Do
you think that maybe the people, the society and the
media feel like most women in the w n b
A are still hiding things? Is that maybe why the
dumb n b A isn't where it should be. No,

(42:42):
nobody's hiding.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
I think the dumbbay is the most authentic, authenticic if
I'm saying right how I said often often authentic.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
I think the.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
DUMBA is most authentic, right version of themselves. These girls
are themselves.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Okay, okay, rapping. How's your rapping career going.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
It's actually it's actually starting to grow a little bit,
Like okay, it's starting to because I got some placements
like in the video game and.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Things like you got placements in a video game.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I'm an NBA two case.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
It's so cool, comelod Do you know how major that is? It?
Don't downplay that, Yeah, that's like a deal. Do you
know how many people who have been rappers for years
don't got that? That's major? And even stop fucking downplaying
your ship. That's major. Congratulations on that.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
So much, thank you, thank you for that. I'll need
you that.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah. Okay, So what's what's next for you? What's next is?

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I want to do more filming.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I okay filming. So I'm working on some new projects okay,
some docs, and I want to do a scary thriller.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Okay. My goal is October October, scary thriller. Do you
want to film in October? Yeah? You want to hear
my screen? Can you do?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Just find I'll start for this new thriller. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Oh no, no, no, I am a bear. I'm a thesbian. Okay,
I'm a thesbian.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
So let's get it.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
If you need these vocals and these lungs, let me
know because I am here.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yes, okay, let's noted?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
All right? So can you please let the world know
where they can find you next and where to find
you period and in the.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Group chat, I'm at my cortry, my last name m
C c O U G H t r o y.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Let's have some fun.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yes, yes, guys, is I'm Tory hard Angreew mccarttree. This
is another episode of Brutally Honest. Here in Los Angeles
where I live. I know y'all think I live in
lant but no, I live in LA. But I'm here
and I love y'all. Thanks for tuning in. I'll see y'allselves. Peace.

(45:04):
M hmmm. Girl, you knew that, girl?

Speaker 3 (45:11):
You knew that.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Girl?

Speaker 1 (45:15):
You girl? You better read his thanks and lean. Pay
attention to everything. Walk around town like he to Shire,
but behind closed doors he'd be taking