October 29, 2025 • 44 mins
On this episode of Brutally Honest with Torrei Hart, things get fashion-forward and unapologetically real. Torrei sits down with The Black Willy Wonka aka Legend Already Made, a creative visionary and cultural disruptor who’s making waves in the world of style, influence, and entrepreneurship. From Kanye’s influence on fashion, to the legacy of Dapper Dan, to Gucci’s role in shaping streetwear and high fashion, no topic is off-limits. With Torrei’s bold, unfiltered questions and Legend’s fearless perspective, this conversation dives into the intersection of culture, style, and power like never before. 🎙️ What you’ll hear in this episode: How Kanye West shifted the fashion landscape forever Dapper Dan’s impact on hip-hop and high fashion Gucci’s complicated place in Black culture and street style Legend’s journey as “The Black Willy Wonka” and brand builder The future of fashion + authenticity in culture 🔥 Tap in for laughs, truth, and real talk you won’t hear anywhere else. Subscribe now so you don’t miss the next Brutally Honest episode with Torrei Hart. 📲 Follow Torrei on Instagram: @torreihart 📲 Follow Legend Already Made: @legendalreadymade #BrutallyHonest #TorreiHart #LegendAlreadyMade #Fashion #KanyeWest #DapperDan #Gucci
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What's up, y'all? Is your girl Tory Tory card? You
are told in this I've been to a few Diddy
parks I've done. I've did the other day in the inn,
you say, Dan, you masturbate a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
If you don't have a party.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I have to get my butt cut open.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
keV was like, yo, man Toy said Fire.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Was not coming home the way he should have been
coming home, mother Fire. What's up, y'all? Is your girl Tory?
Hard here with another episode of Brutally Honest, and I'm
coming to you right now live from Los Angeles, California,
and I have an amazing guest tonight, the fashion Man himself,
(01:00):
who is creating his own lane. Listen, y'all. Okay, well,
y'all see who I'm talking about. Y'all, woll be like,
oh I seen this, gonna ask bread. I seen him
on TikTok. He might have been at the met Galla
maybe I don't know just yet, but he gonna be
there next year. He probably gonna be there. Okay, no,
you know what I'm claiming it. Next year he will
(01:20):
be there because if they don't want to have him
there with his fashion sense and his style, then they stupid. Okay,
I need y'all to make some noise for my man,
the Black Wooly Wonka legendary maid himself. Make some noise, y'all.
(01:50):
I don't know anybody you're.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Making, but that how you doing this is really honest.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Man. What were we talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Like, let's get into it, like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Listen you? You know what we First of all, we
got to talk about the fit because the reason me
and you connected was based off of your fashion. You
remember where we met outside Main Row, Yes, and I
was like, Okay, first of all, who is this nigga? Okay,
(02:23):
dressed up? Like I said, I like his style. I
like individual I like people that's not scared to be themselves.
I like people that's not walking around and just saying
I'm being all black because I want to fit in. No,
there is nothing about you that fits in. You are
a standout gentleman. So of course I remember when we met,
(02:43):
and that was Glowrilla.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Do you rememberside.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Ray J. Yes, they was going it was Zoo's network
against Raycon. Okay, my boy acting up. He was their
security for rage.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
As everybody was out.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I was in there like guys, why are we fighting?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But that I really was like fighting? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Was that really a year ago?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Oh my god, Okay it's been Yeah, it's been a year. So,
I mean you look very demure, very put together, I
mean Gucci down to the socks. Can we can y'all
see the socks, down to the socks, to the shoes,
to the pants, to the.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Hat custom hat Christine Campbell from London.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Come on now, wait say that again.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
This is Christine Campbell, christ the number one female black
milliner in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I'm not just I'm not just rocking and ship that
people be like all this ship cool?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Who made this? Used to make hats for the royals? Queens? Yes, princesses, yes, visknts.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yes, Like how did you get in line with her? Please?
Let's let's start right there. Since we're talking about Okay,
you're wearing stuff that from a designer that the royals, okay,
was getting fits from. Let's let's start right there. Let's
just go ahead and get into it.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
To be honest, it's a long story, but the short
version is this. Okay, her daughter is Mail, Okay, she
owns the sound Bank in London.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
The Sound Bank.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, it's like a creator hub. It's a creator space.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
They throw this thing called the Digital Creative Music Seminar, right,
and I'm the host of it every year.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
So I do a hat show.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We just bring you like fashion people, actors, musicians, producers, everybody.
Long story short, mail end up bringing me to London.
Christine Campbell was making my hats, and you know, I
end up standing out there with my brother for a
couple of months. And it went down after that, like
I convinced them, like, yo, you guys should like adopt me,
like I should be your muse.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And they just said, okay, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
They said, you're a cheeky bastard that but sure.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
A cheeky you know what I mean? Okay, I ain't
never heard that.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, that's how we talk out there.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
What is a cheeky bastard?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's like you slick nigga, you know what I mean?
Like how you convinced us to stay out here? But
like I did, And that's how I just start telling mom.
I call her mom, Christine Campbell Black Mom, Like you
gotta make me another hat, like I have to wear it,
like I gotta wear it for this I gotta wear
it for that, right, You're just like I don't want
to do that, like I and I'm like, mom, can
you cut up my jacket and turn it into a hat?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
But no?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Never, right, And I'm like no, Like this is like
new ways that for being ship Like yeah, like then
she did it and then it just went up from there.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So was Depperdan an inspiration for you?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Oh? For sure?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Like that?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
The thing is with that, Like.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Me and dad had this rare sit down like during
the pandemic. And I'll never tell anybody what he told me,
but way you told me just changed my life.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, how did you meet depper Dan?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Crazy story?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, give me a short version.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
The short version is I snuck in.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Okay, dopper Dan first came out like in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
He came at like a Ted talk or some shit
like that.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Okay, I lied.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I lied to the front door, and I was like,
I'm its protoge. I was just lying. I was just like, yo,
I'm miss protege. They try to stop me. I just
bullied my way in.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I said, wait, yeah, you just bullied your way past security.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah. Like it was three white girls first, three white girls.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And I just bullied them, like I just moved them
to the side, just like got the way. There was
like a couple like Mexicans and blacks, like security, big dudes.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And then I couldn't really.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Just bully them, but I bullied them too, you know
what I mean. I just like I was like, yo,
I'm in protege, like y'all can go get them if
y'all want to, like.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Right, and then they just like this Nigga seems fervent.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So I got in and that was talking on stage,
and when he got off stage, he came straight.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
To me because he saw the fit.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. He was just like I never seen anything like
this before, right, And it was like, oh, yeah, I
think he is the proj So that that's That's been
a New York narrative ever since.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Then.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, so what did you have on when you first
met Dapper?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Then?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Like, so what say?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Okay, I had like a.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I had a beige top hat, I had a mint
coat I had Damn.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I don't remember the whole fit, but Nigga, I was flying.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Was it Gucci?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Nah? I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I wasn't wearing no Gucci shit. I got like I
wasn't wearing Gucci till I, like, I tapped in with
that and I talked to Dap and then that's when
my Gucci catalog went crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Okay, so let me ask you this, because I see
you Gucci down right. Gucci's not cheap. Nah, Okay, it's
not cheap at all. So how did you just start
affording these Gucci prints to be able to take to
someone a tailor and start creating these looks?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well, it it's not that, Like I said, I chopped
it up with that for then.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Okay, so he gave you the game.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
He like I said, the old slaves were killed for reading,
and the new slaves won't read to stay alive. Okay,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
If you read, it's out there.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Right to get all of these prints.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, like you you can get to the people like
see me.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I always been nice, right, So I talked to everybody,
Like when I was sneaking to these fashion shows at
Spring Studios A pair forty nine fifty nine, like in
New York. I would talk to janitors, I would talk
to designers backstage. I would talk to every single person,
and I build those connections. I travel overseas, like I
build those connections. I be in Tokyo, I be in Japan,
(08:44):
I'd be everywhere, like I be in London, I be
in Paris. Like this only Gucci's only expensive. This is
this is not I'm brutally honest. It's really not expensive.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Please be brutal, brutally honest, Like it's really not expensive.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
It's really worth like fifteen twenty dollars, you know what
I mean. They just charging you like seven thousand, you
know what I mean, because of the name of it.
But in reality, the factories, not the factory. They just
printed out like it's nothing, right, It's like the factories
is it's like three times this size, and it's just
(09:18):
big ass guccy like sheet of paper to the floor,
like it's just scattered around and.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It's just like whatever. They just like pick it up
off the floor, put it into a bag type shit. Yeah,
put it on a shirt. They'll buy it cheap, you know,
type shit. You know y'all hear that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
It's so I mean, like I said, I did the knowledge,
I did the research, you know, I tapped in with
the ogs so I can figure out how to get it,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So that's what I did.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, And now here's this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's still expensive though, Taylor and get it as a fit,
but like it ain't seven eight thousand.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Okay. So let's go back to childhood, right, Okay? Were
you always dressing like this? Like now I'm going to
ask you a question. I don't want you to be offended, okay,
because this is not what men traditionally would put on it.
Okay you say that, why would.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You say that men don't dress this is dandy, the
black dandy is And this is actually how men dress
back in the days in the Versailles era. Okay, this
is exactly how men dress. The bo Brummels, the no,
this is exactly how they dress. Okay, the Benjamin Disraeli
(10:41):
is the certain kid, the guards. You know, this is
exactly how men actually dress. Right, But not no more
because the new fashion became like jeans, which was one
of the greatest creations, right, you know what I mean.
It's like think about it like this, like have you
seen a creation that was so clean as a three
(11:02):
piece suit? Ever after this, Like there's only been one
three piece suit. There's nothing else that's been clean as
a three piece suit, like Oh that's.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Man three pece suit. He's a gentleman. Or he's a
da da da. There's nothing else.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's like then they start putting pockets on stuff like
fashion get deep, you know what I'm saying, Like this
is actually how men actually used to dress. Okay, but
they don't dress like this no more.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So when you were a child, did you know that
this was what you were gonna do? Like, did you
play with Barbie?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Absolutely not?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
No? Okay, so you played with trucks?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Nah, I play. I used to climb trees. I'm from Belieze.
I'm not even from America.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Oh you're from belief Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
We don't got Barbies or we don't got trucks. We
got barefoot outside in the street, right, Jay? Like trees,
we climb trees.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
We I go in the ocean and catch crabs to
take back to eat.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Okay yeah wow, So okay, So where did this fashion
sense come from? Then? I mean, because if you're talking
about you climbing trees and catching crabs, and you know
you're in the pretty much the.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Gradual you know it just gradually.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I studied was there the internet for you though? Was
it the internet or was it just like that? Was
it a vision from God?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It had to be, you know that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I think Robert Coley say, vision reaches beyond the thing
that is, into the conception of what can be. Imagination
gives you the picture, but vision gives you the impulse to.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Make that picture own.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So I had the imagination, but I just needed the vision.
God can only give you a vision. So I think
I had the vision one time when I was in
the I was in the car, was early in the morning.
I was with some of my homeboys and I'm not
really even cool with and we was just we woke
up early that morning. We were sitting on lean you know,
it's just Texas.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And oh okay, so texts okay, So wait, so you
you started really getting the vision in Texas? Yeah, okay,
so you So let's rewind just a little bit. So
you were in Belieze.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I moved from Believes and I live in tex.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
How'd you get to Texas? My mom and dad Okay,
they were just tired of catching crabs and climbing trees,
and they.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Said, my mom and dad, you know, you know, shot
to my mom and dad. But in Belieze, to y'all
would we wouldn't be considered like rich, but in believes
we're considered wealthy.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So we didn't have to move to America like we
were pretty wealthy in Belieze, like your prince and Belieze.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
You're a junior prince. Yes, Okay, that that explains all
of this.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It just since when I got older, but right, you know,
I didn't understand like who I even was or who
my family was in Belieze in the first place.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That's like, how fortunate that I am to be able
to come to America immediately and be a citizen, Like
I don't have to wait nothing like I was. Just
when I got to America, I was a citizen. Right.
My uncle was like wanting to head people of immigration,
Like it's like yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, okay, so you came over here royalty and a way.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But but when I came over here, we didn't have
as much money, if that makes sense. Okay, American money
is twice billize money, right.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
All right, So Texas, what part of Texas did you
end up?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Austin?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Austin and what a place to end up that because
Austin is full of creatives and artists and you know,
just like people that are forward thinkers. Yeah, so you
end up in Austin, Texas, all right, and you start
to get this vision of this.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah I was.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
But but see before I got that vision tory, like
I was hood you know what I'm saying, Like I
was on some street ship behind.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Okay, I've seen some of the old pictures.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, so you was dressing in the saggy pants Tech
nine in the back pocket the wife beaters.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So but I always had fashion sense, okay, you know,
and you know, I gotta give a shout out to
some guys in Austin called Team Next, Team Nex.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah. They had like a.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Big They had a big on the fashion scene like TX.
Y'all had a big impact on the fashion scene in Austin,
Texas like before everybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And I definitely studied them.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Okay, So how old were you when you were studying them?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I was probably like seventeen sixteen, seventeen, Okay. Yeah, they
had a good run, like tex had a crazy run.
They used to wear like purple and turquoise here and
they just had a movement which was very fashionable, and
a lot of famous people came to Austin and took.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Their movement and ran with it.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And I was like at first, I didn't understand it
until I start seeing what's going on in the industry.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So I was like, oh shit, niggas, do come and
take your.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Shit understanding like and so you're starting starting to get
the knowledge of fashion and how it works. Okay, So
once you got that, right, when did you start to
realize that fashion could be a career?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Man? I think when I went to New York.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I was living in New York, okay, and I was
just at these I was just sneaking in all these parties,
like man, like.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Like what a life to live? You know what I mean?
Like how could I get invited and start hosting? And
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So it's just kind of it kind of happened like that,
living in New York, meeting people like Legendary Damon, you know,
like yeah, like Legendary Damon.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You know, I went to one of his parties. Let
me tell you out here at the one hotel, this
nigga came in and he's a white man, but I
just got nig I mean, but he came in on
a cherry ete. Right, was you at that party?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
No to hear about it?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
That party popping bottles?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yo, Legendary Damon came in a party on a horse, yes,
a white horse.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Like he's the goat when he do this, look you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So and he pop out because he's been toughed away
for a minute. But when he pop out, he pop out,
and he pops out.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Big Damon's outside, you know. Yeah, he started putting me
on like.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Flyers.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, Legend Already Made is hosting that right edition hotel like, yes,
prestigious places.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Legend Already Made is hosting that Da Dada in New York.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You know what I mean, the gold bar.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, like what like bruh, you know what I mean.
So I was able to leverage off of that and
start hosting fashion week stuff and you know, start getting invited,
like getting paid and yeah, so I was like, yo,
this can be my life.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Okay, but it was all based off your fashion, right. Okay,
So now you start hosting these parties, you're getting into
these events because it takes it takes, it takes time. Right,
when did you know that this was going to be
your fashion sense that takes you to the next level?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I would have to say even before that, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
In college, Okay, I had a teacher named Katherine Lange
and she just used to let me.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
She she she she just needed to let me draw.
What school did you go to, Texas State University?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Okay? And what was your major.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Production and performance acting?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Okay, yeah, okay?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And I had a costume class, right, and in the class,
this teacher she was just she would always telling me like,
you know, you have the potential to be a fashion icon,
but your style is disorganized m And I was just like,
coming from a white lady, I was like, I didn't
like how she was talking to me, But now I
see like she so she had me draw men like
broke brummos and these people from back in the days
(18:30):
with ruffles like this, like top hats and stuff like that.
So subconsciously, after drawing this stuff for a whole year,
I started dressing like it, okay, you know, and then
I started being in the plays and I was just like,
I can't be sagging when I'm going to rehearsal and
you know what I mean. So I just start putting
on suspenders and you know what I mean, putting on
top had every day. So I was just like, man,
(18:52):
I'm just rehearsing. I'm rehearsing. I'm rehearsing outside of outside
of school. I'm just like, h this, I think this
is my style.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, I think this is gonna really take me to
the next level.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And I was trying to reinvent myself at the time anyways,
you know what I mean. So it kind of just
happened organically like that God just put it on my.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Spirit he did, Yeah, okay, And so you started seeing
that that was something that was gravit. Gravit, you know,
having people gravitate towards you, You're getting a certain level
of attention. And the mustache. When did the mustache start
coming into play?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
The mustache came into play when I was in Sam Bernardino.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Sam Bernardino, you got this mustache from Sam bernard I
wasn't I was yo, I was that You said no, No,
it wasn't no, Because I'm like, this is like Sam Bernardan.
I never would have thought this came from Sam Bernardino.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
No shot to that grip man. They'd be holding me
down with the mustache.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Wax, like okay, it'd be fire. But now I wasn't
Sam Bernardino, and I ain't gonna lie. Mom. If you
watch this, please don't your man me like I had.
I was at High Times mag magazine. They had invited
me to like that High Time.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Stuff, and I took like an edible or something, and
I just thought it was like candy. I got so
high that I was scared. So I told the uber, like,
take me back to the hotel.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I can't be around people.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And I knew, like in two weeks I had to
have my Shakespeare play coming up. So I was like, man,
I'm so high, I don't know what to do. And
then I just started I was like I went to
look in the mirror and I.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Was like, bro, wake yourself up, come on, you're too high.
And then like my Shakespeare line started coming to my head.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So you started saying, where four outvo.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
That fat is nothing of yours?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And I started playing with my mustache and then it
started curling up.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
It just curled up by itself.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It just started curling up.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That's some trickery in what now, come on now, now,
I'm not going for that.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Nobody. They don't believe me. I swear to.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
God like you was high that happened.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I swear to God like Tori, I got the mustache.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now I know you, but you did that mustache and
it just start curling up like that.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I was swear I was playing with it and it
just started curling up. And I was like, oh that
shit hard, right, And I'm like, I gotta find a
way to keep it the stay.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And you got the wax.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Got the wax soth of that great you know?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Okay? And so now that's how you came into this
whole look, yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Just it's just it's levels man, steps steps of the ship.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Right now? What about women? Okay? Okay, So would you
say that you date women or date men?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
What I have to ask get here?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, I'm sorry I have to ask before man. It's no,
I'm not trying to you know, be you know, an asshole,
or I'm just asking the audience proba be thinking the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Hell nah, y'all know better straight, just women.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Because I don't see women because there's a certain attraction
to a man who has this type of style, right, Okay,
so you have to have someone who matches your aesthetics.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Seeing a woman yet that matches this aesthetic, I mean
it's a few, is it? Okay? So you knocking her all?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Because I saw you on the Erica Menna show. You
as you know, you on that show it's it's called
Two Ways with Erica Menna. How did that go for you?
How did you get on that show? All the Zeus network?
Mind you? Did you meet let me that night when
all that chaos was going down?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Oh that's so funny. No, I didn't mean let me.
I didn't even know who Lemmy was. Okay, I didn't
know who Lemmy was. I didn't really know who's like
Zeus was.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I okay. I always thought that Zeus was like love
and hip hop?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Okay, do you thought Zeus was Loving It?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I just I was so out of place that I
just didn't know that that world exists.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Because when I would see the clips.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Online, I just like, oh shit, Loving hip hop getting crazy?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Right? They fighting now because.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
All the people from like Loving and hip hop will
be on like zoos stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Right then?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
When I finally like did my research, you know, I
was like, oh shit, this is Zeus is his own network.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Oh Zeus is man. So I actually was one of
the pioneers of Zeus. I had a TV show on
Zeus yeah, called Talking Shit Me and Georgia Brant. Yeah.
I was on there talking shit. Yeah. That was like
one of my talk shows. I've had a few talk shows,
ain't Yeah. And let me. I met Lemmy years ago
because I created a TV show called Comedy Wives. I
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pitched it to E one network. They bought it, and
they bought it. Let me to be my executive producer
and who handled everything. Of course, you know, it didn't
get sold to any networks, but that's how and let
me build a relationship, and that's how I ended up
being one of the first people. But it wasn't ratchet enough.
That's that's the problem. Right now, I'm not trying to
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fight nobody. I'm a lover, not a fighter, you know,
So those fighting days I fought in like high school
because people was always picking on me. But I you know,
I probably was, but but I mean, but I also
you know, I come from a two parent household. My
parents were amazing. They always spoiled me and my sister
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and they they just made sure that I had a
good upbreaking. I mean, I wasn't royalty like you over there,
you know, the Prince coming, you know, and not have
being to worry about getting a green cart or nothing.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
But yeah, that's just God.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, it's definitely God. So now, how did you hook
up with Kanye West?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Kanye West?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
What you talking about?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I don't hook up with Kanye West.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You didn't link up with Kanye West.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Oh well, I met Yay, but like I ain't like
I met him like once.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Oh okay. I thought y'all might have been doing you know,
some clothing or business or something together.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
This shit.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, one of my producers. So I'm at to fire him.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I'm at Yay one time.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You know. They was just like, man, you look Amazon, bro,
your fashion is crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So he pulled up on you the way I pulled
up on you. Nah.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
We was at they We was at the Addition Hotel.
I was actually at the legendary Damon party, okay, and
Damon Legend of Dame was just like.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
By the way, Conye West is over there. He just
threw me in an alley.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And I just yeah, and then he was just like, yo,
you look litz. Fuck bro, you definition of da.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Da da da? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
He's just like, here's my email, hit me up if
you do music. And I just didn't know what to
send him, so I never wrote him.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
No, Okay, come on, we gotta figure out, you know,
with you, because clearly y'all can work together. I mean
he thinks outside of about it. I mean he walks
around in likes homeless fashion. I mean, but you know,
your fashions is definitely not homeless looking. It's very Kevin Air,
you know, very Bluechua.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
But yeah, your goat though. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I study yay, like yeah, thousand, like two thousand and nine,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So like the Takashi mirror, Kami trunks.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Who's your favorite designer Christine Campbell? Christine Campbell is your
favorite designer? Okay? Who is a designer that you would
love to work with if you could have any dream
of working with?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Hmm, the designer I would love to work with.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Man them niggas won't work with me, to be honest,
Like I'm working with a designer in New York right
now called Kiki. She's she's making stuff like this for me,
Like it's called k Crochet cause I'm I'm like when
it comes to clothing, like I like accessories, you know
what i mean. That's why I saying I represent that
that era that's lost, right, So I'll say Kate Crochet
right now, Like I'm like, I'm just I'm just fucking
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with niggas's fucking with me, right because everybody's just stealing
the swag.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Right now, right, you know what I mean. It's just
going through my page, just still swag like they.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Not they just taking it.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
They watching my story.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They watching my stories, like they following me and unfollowing me,
you know what i mean, Like they follow me for
a month, unfollowing me when they got the swag.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Then I see him on the carpet with the eye.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I'm just like, what do you say about that? Like
do you confront people who's still in your swag?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I can't say nothing, you know what I mean, because
I don't need to. It says it for itself, like
I don't have to say nothing. I'm just like this
is cool, like it ain't mines anyways. This is for
God right, So I ain't create this, okay, yeah, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
It's like I love.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
That I'm necessary to God as he is to me,
for I'm his channel to get his plan in the place.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
So the Saint.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Mons right now for people who don't know, because I'm
not in the fashion industry at all, I mean I
love fashion. I've sold some sweatshirts. I mean, I mean yeah,
but I know. I went downtown, you know, to the
alley and got some sweatshirts and got it printed, and
I told I'm not gonna lie. I sold out in
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the day. Okay. So I had an idea one day
and I was like, feel an extra Oh, I like that,
let me put that print on a shirt. And I
didn't know it was going to sell out that faston
literally sold out in three hours, three thousand pieces.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yes, I know, I know, I was like, what the fuck?
Maybe I should have tapped into that more, but you know,
for me, it was just like, well, let me just
get these pieces out, you know, but I didn't know.
So you know, for me, that was just you know,
like I just wanted to get a message out, wanted
people to feel extra about themselves and it's okay to
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feel extra about themselves, right, So for you, like what
would you want the world to know and what you
do in the fashion because a lot of people don't
know how to make money off of fashion. I mean
there's there's kids in the hood that dressed their asses off.
There's tell you you know social lights that dress their
asses off. You know, how do you make money off
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of fashion?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It's hard, Like you said, a hustle, Like it's hard.
I can't even it's it's so many days I don't
make no money, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
It's like what I'm selling your soul is hard?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Well, no, when you say selling your soul, when is what?
What in the fashion world?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
What is selling fashion world? Like in the fashion world,
selling your soul is real thing? You know, like what
what do people compromise? What like get fucked?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
That's what it is like in ass or like you
mean like on prices or I.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Mean, I just I just you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Coming up in New York, I just met some people
that I used to see that ain't the same.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And you think they took it they got to do shooting,
Shut up.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
They just they're just not the same.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You know what I mean, brother, laughing, laughing like.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
A, I don't know, trying to Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
They're just not the same. And like I said, you.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Just they so you could tell their soul is gone.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
They're walking around blank like like what's wow? I mean
you used to be on this campaign, used to be
on that billboard.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You're talking about models or model design.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Like people Okay, you know what I mean, even people
that have potential.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Wow, you know what I mean. So it's just like
you can make money.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Though you know you can make money, you just gotta
keep going, right, Only those who were going too far
can figure out how far one can go. You just
gotta keep going and just trust God like your time
will come and stop doing it for ego.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
But people got to survive.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
So it's it's that's where your faith come in.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Right, That's where But what if they don't know about
the faith? Like, because you clearly came from parents who
gave you that faith, You had that connection. So what
would you say to people who looks up to you?
Because clearly you are an inspiration. I mean you've inspired me.
Like I told you, I love your individuality. I love
watching what you do. You know, I love giving you
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your accolades because, like I said, you're an individual and
it's a lot of people out here who try to
emulate instead of being individuals. Yeah, so what could you
say to these people who are out here who don't
know what to do or don't know the path or
how to even get there?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
And it's hard, okay, but it's possible.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
You know, there's a what's his name, I can't remember
his name, but he says the ideal situation for a
man or woman to die is to have family members
standing with them as they cross over. Oh but imagine,
if you will, being on your deathbed and standing around
(31:46):
your bed are the ghosts of the ideas, the abilities,
the talents, the gifts, the dreams given to you by
life that you, for whatever reason, never pursued those dreams. Right,
You never did anything with those ideas, Never use those gifts,
you never use those talents, You never took advantage of
those opportunities.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Right, And there they are the ghosts. They're standing around
your bed.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
They're looking at you with angry eyes, saying, we came
to you right and only you could have given us life,
and now we must die with you forever so I
would tell you that, don't let your dreams die with you.
So if you die today, what dreams would die with you?
What abilities would die with you unexpressed? What talents would
pass away? And what gifts would be buried forever? So
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those four things, like you got to keep those clothes,
Like what are you.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Doing so that shit don't die?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Everybody gonna go through some shit, But what are you
doing so your dreams don't die, so your gift don't
wither away, so those opportunities don't go away? Because if
you really doing this, God would give you an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, if you're doing the work.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah he will. You have to do the work, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So it's and it's for anybody because I used to
go in New York and I got denied for two
years and I never stopped, and then out of year three,
I'm in every party Like, oh shit, this is crazy, right,
you know what I'm saying, So go for it, like
but in the real way though, like like like not
like that, Oh my God, chase your dreams like you can't.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Like, if you chase your dreams, you're not gonna never
catch it. Like you got to manifesture you have to
do the work. You know.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's that simple. You know, every day you wake up,
there's a schedule. See that as an entrepreneur too, Some
people they they feel like, you know, they're entrepreneurs, are
just winging it. No, entrepreneurs have to have schedules, you know.
Like I wake up and I have to work out.
That's that's that's a part of my regimen. I gotta
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work out, even if it's a small workout, I gotta
do it.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I don't do it every single day because sometimes I'm tired. Yeah,
but but I feel the difference when I don't do it. Yeah.
So one thing, so do you would you say more
men or more women hit on you?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Oh? My god?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Story with the men and women hit on me?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
How do you take that?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yo?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
A lot of men hit on me and a lot
of women hit on me. Like in my DMS right now,
so many people hitting on me.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
How do you deal with that? I mean, because you
were on a show too called two Ways.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, but the two ways with Erika Manner is she's
dating girls and she's dating boys.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Like, but you was in a house with men and women.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, But I'm for the women though, I'm for Eric. Well,
I'm for you know.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Can you talk about that at all? That experience? How
was that experience? First of all, how did you get
picked for that show?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
All right, all right, let's go back. So I was
in Rome, okay, and shout to Matthew. He's one of
the casting directors. Okay, And Matthew reached out to me,
and he reached out to me. He's like, yo, Lamb,
I think there's a show for you that's perfect, you
know what I mean. Show your characters, show your image.
I think you're going to, you know, make the show
really something.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I told him one thing, I said, Matthew, can I
dress the way I dress? And He's like, man, you
have so.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Much much like they want you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yes, Like yes, I said, if I can jus the
way I dressed, I'm coming on the show, okay.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
And I left Rome. I flew to LA.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Two days later, I'm in front of Prince's mansion in
Beverly Hills meeting Erica.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
First of all, the fact that you said I left room, yea,
I was. I flew my jets and I ended up
at the mansion. Yes, in front of Erica Minna. Yes, yes,
you know on the Zeus Network. Yes, in my fashions
doing what I do.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Most fashionable man to ever walk on Zeus.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I mean, come on like Zeus see Zeus so on
the show. It's like it's the energy was so crazy, right,
like it was so much Tori.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
You know Zeus So.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So I know, I know I'm interviewing Diamond the Body tomorrow.
So do I already know what's about to come with?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
So you can only imagine, right, I'm excited though, Yes,
she's crazy, so like with Erica's cool, like but she
get crazy too.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
And every day I'm just having to dodge fights and
I'm like, oh my god, my suit.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
How was that? Because you was on there with the Plumber? Yeah,
did you like because he's crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
He's crazy, but he's not that crazy that Nigga was.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Beating people up just to beat people up?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So how did you avoid all the conflict?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I just stay cool, like like I just I stay
out the way.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
I stay out the way like I stay cool. I
stapped the way because I focus on what I'm.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
There for you, Like I can't get no blood on
this Gucci.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
My image is not to fight online, like right, like
blood on Gucci's crazy, Like my image is not to
fight online, Like I'm not going to fight online, like
I'm not I'm not a fighter, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Or boss yeah, boss man, for real? I mean, listen,
you're walking around here with the cane with the duck
on the top. You know you were ball Oh that's
an eagle.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
That's nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I thought that was a duck.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, okay, but I was duck in fades, okay for sure. Okay,
So I mean like yeah I was. You know, I
got you know, they wanted to fight me a few times,
but I just had to talk niggas.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Down, like, you know, like you the cane.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
It was like, back up, you can fight that nigga.
Bo right, don't fight me, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I'm here, you know, so but you know, rumor have
it I end up you know, fucking with her best
friend or whatnot. So okay, yeah, the BBWs, you know,
I got.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
A thing for them.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You have a thing for bbw's.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Can't help it?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Okay, Well, listen, I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I love all type of one.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Whatever you love, you go for that. Yeah yeah, all right,
now one more thing, Black Willy Wonka. Who gave you
that name? And that was Detroit right there? Yeah yeah,
you just hit me with Detroit.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Black Willie Wonka. The fans gave me the name, okay,
but like I really only start going by it when
like Fat Joe and Little Boosy in them and like
all the rappers like start really just calling me that
because like I would tell niggas like yo, legend already made.
It be like huh what what And they'll be like, nigga,
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you ain't Legendarre you black Woolie Wonker, Nigga, you know
what I'm saying, that's the black Wilie Wonker. So I'll
be showing up at parties and I'll be like, yo, yo,
I'm with dad.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
What's your name? Legend already made? I don't know you.
I'm like, it's black with Wonker. Oh yeah, let the
black one Walker. He's good. You know what I'm saying?
So right, I was like fuck it.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, But that you know that that's a gift because
when people give your name and that's what that's how
they see you, and that's what you run with, and
that's what it is. What do you think about these
men now wearing pearls?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Men wearing pearls?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, you haven't seen men are wearing pearls right now?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Like pearls like pearls.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah what Yeah, men are wearing pearls. How do you
feel about were though?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Like on their neck? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:02):
On the next like like it's a thing right now. Yeah,
I'm surprised you don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
This tory what like pearls like white.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Pearls on their necks?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yes, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Would you wear pearls?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
It just depends like down like like Titanic type shit,
you know what I mean, Like I gotta be on
my Titanic vibes.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Okay, I mean because you're wearing ruffles, So you know,
it's like I don't see why you wouldn't add pearls
to the mix.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
See, you don't understand the ruffles. That's why you're just
talking about. You don't understand what's going on. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
You don't have enough time for any of you to
understand what's really going on.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
I know what I'm saying I think I do, like
this is Versai. Yeah, Nigga is Versailles. You know what
didn't versa You ain't.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Got the answers, Tory.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I ain't got to answer. Sway at you? Right, you're right,
this is besides your vampire is you're telling.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Me like, like what Nigga's only what is when you
were allowed in court?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Okay, so you know what you're missing. Then you're missing
the white wig.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I got hair. Oh, I don't need a right wig.
My hair is long.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I don't fucking right wing's come from.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I don't need no fucking white wig.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Nigga, you went hiding these locks up under that goddamn
top hat.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
And the whole time I'm really him, I'm from that era,
like Tory, like, stop playing with me?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
What and when that was his hair?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And you know what you fucked up to be hide
and neck.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
That's why the woman love me so much. Okay, see
my hair and.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
The tentacles when you're having sex.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
A whole different story, man.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Okay, I listen, I see now, I see now. You
got the fashion, you got the tentacles, you got the mustache.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
You got the glass, you a lot going on. Listen,
you just that nigga tory.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
So I say niggas Masonic.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I see you beside. Look, this is this the Alley
that's the downtown Downtown, the Alley Braids by Joe Lof Studios.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Niggas really rock ruffles, like come from that era.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah, I listen, I love it. One thing I will
tell you, I love your style. I appreciate you. I
appreciate your individuality, Like keep going. What's next for you?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Right now, I'm working with walk Away Smiling. We're doing documentaries. Okay,
I'm working all so with Legacy Limos. Okay, it's this Limo.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Service out there in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I'm also partnering with Creative Creative Capital and this is
called Hollywood and Mind where I'm kind of like a
consultant for mental health. Good come on now, Yeah, I'm
brand ambassador for Deandre's Okay out there in Austin, Texas.
So I get my hair done for free and we
do something called He's He's the Heir where women with
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lupis we dressed.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Up and have them walk the runway good and kind
of feel like I'm.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
A philanthropist on.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Top of it all.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, good mind, good heart, good spirit. Yeah yeah. Now,
please tell the people where they can find you.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Y'all can find me at legend already made on Instagram,
black Woodie Wonka on TikTok. Yeah, that's what I'm at. Okay,
pop up or just ask God if you want to
see the flyes nigga.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, y'all heard them? You know what I ask God? Hey, guys,
where's the flys nigga?
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Here is?
Speaker 3 (43:03):
He said? To my right.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Look, I want to tell you thank you so much
for being I'm brutally honest with me today.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Honest.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
You were dope as fu amazing, and please, like you're
walcome back here anytime you need to promote anything. I
got you, I got got anything. You are always welcome
here a seat next to me. Just stay an individual,
do not sell your soul. Okay, because I'm a c
I will know if you got the dukie shoot shout up,
(43:35):
all right.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
And congratulations to you on your show.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Thank you, and I will never get my dookie shout up?
Speaker 3 (43:44):
What like never that not one of them?
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Okay, But even if you were.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But you know, I'm just saying, you know, we'll because
then you know they'll be raided to cancel us in
a quick minute. Oh so no, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
And you know I love everybody.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, me too, I do too. So I'm Torri Hart.
This is the black willy waka a k A legendary
already made.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
It's legend, already legend.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
But see look, I'm already I'm already speaking to exist
a legendary.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
I am legendary, damon.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, legend already made a k A Black willy Waker.
Tory Hart, brutally honest. See y'all next time, Right, girl,
you knew that you.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Knew that girl you were?
Speaker 1 (44:42):
You better read his gangst lean pay attention to everything,
walking around town like he the ship, but behind closed
doors be taken
What's up, y'all? Is your girl Tory Tory card? You
are told in this I've been to a few Diddy
parks I've done. I've did the other day in the inn,
you say, Dan, you masturbate a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
If you don't have a party.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I have to get my butt cut open.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
keV was like, yo, man Toy said Fire.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Was not coming home the way he should have been
coming home, mother Fire. What's up, y'all? Is your girl Tory?
Hard here with another episode of Brutally Honest, and I'm
coming to you right now live from Los Angeles, California,
and I have an amazing guest tonight, the fashion Man himself,
(01:00):
who is creating his own lane. Listen, y'all. Okay, well,
y'all see who I'm talking about. Y'all, woll be like,
oh I seen this, gonna ask bread. I seen him
on TikTok. He might have been at the met Galla
maybe I don't know just yet, but he gonna be
there next year. He probably gonna be there. Okay, no,
you know what I'm claiming it. Next year he will
(01:20):
be there because if they don't want to have him
there with his fashion sense and his style, then they stupid. Okay,
I need y'all to make some noise for my man,
the Black Wooly Wonka legendary maid himself. Make some noise, y'all.
(01:50):
I don't know anybody you're.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Making, but that how you doing this is really honest.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Man. What were we talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Like, let's get into it, like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Listen you? You know what we First of all, we
got to talk about the fit because the reason me
and you connected was based off of your fashion. You
remember where we met outside Main Row, Yes, and I
was like, Okay, first of all, who is this nigga? Okay,
(02:23):
dressed up? Like I said, I like his style. I
like individual I like people that's not scared to be themselves.
I like people that's not walking around and just saying
I'm being all black because I want to fit in. No,
there is nothing about you that fits in. You are
a standout gentleman. So of course I remember when we met,
(02:43):
and that was Glowrilla.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Do you rememberside.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Ray J. Yes, they was going it was Zoo's network
against Raycon. Okay, my boy acting up. He was their
security for rage.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
As everybody was out.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I was in there like guys, why are we fighting?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But that I really was like fighting? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Was that really a year ago?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Oh my god, Okay it's been Yeah, it's been a year. So,
I mean you look very demure, very put together, I
mean Gucci down to the socks. Can we can y'all
see the socks, down to the socks, to the shoes,
to the pants, to the.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Hat custom hat Christine Campbell from London.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Come on now, wait say that again.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
This is Christine Campbell, christ the number one female black
milliner in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I'm not just I'm not just rocking and ship that
people be like all this ship cool?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Who made this? Used to make hats for the royals? Queens? Yes, princesses, yes, visknts.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yes, Like how did you get in line with her? Please?
Let's let's start right there. Since we're talking about Okay,
you're wearing stuff that from a designer that the royals, okay,
was getting fits from. Let's let's start right there. Let's
just go ahead and get into it.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
To be honest, it's a long story, but the short
version is this. Okay, her daughter is Mail, Okay, she
owns the sound Bank in London.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
The Sound Bank.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, it's like a creator hub. It's a creator space.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
They throw this thing called the Digital Creative Music Seminar, right,
and I'm the host of it every year.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
So I do a hat show.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We just bring you like fashion people, actors, musicians, producers, everybody.
Long story short, mail end up bringing me to London.
Christine Campbell was making my hats, and you know, I
end up standing out there with my brother for a
couple of months. And it went down after that, like
I convinced them, like, yo, you guys should like adopt me,
like I should be your muse.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And they just said, okay, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
They said, you're a cheeky bastard that but sure.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
A cheeky you know what I mean? Okay, I ain't
never heard that.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, that's how we talk out there.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
What is a cheeky bastard?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's like you slick nigga, you know what I mean?
Like how you convinced us to stay out here? But
like I did, And that's how I just start telling mom.
I call her mom, Christine Campbell Black Mom, Like you
gotta make me another hat, like I have to wear it,
like I gotta wear it for this I gotta wear
it for that, right, You're just like I don't want
to do that, like I and I'm like, mom, can
you cut up my jacket and turn it into a hat?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
But no?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Never, right, And I'm like no, Like this is like
new ways that for being ship Like yeah, like then
she did it and then it just went up from there.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So was Depperdan an inspiration for you?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Oh? For sure?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Like that?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
The thing is with that, Like.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Me and dad had this rare sit down like during
the pandemic. And I'll never tell anybody what he told me,
but way you told me just changed my life.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, how did you meet depper Dan?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Crazy story?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, give me a short version.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
The short version is I snuck in.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Okay, dopper Dan first came out like in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
He came at like a Ted talk or some shit
like that.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Okay, I lied.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I lied to the front door, and I was like,
I'm its protoge. I was just lying. I was just like, yo,
I'm miss protege. They try to stop me. I just
bullied my way in.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I said, wait, yeah, you just bullied your way past security.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah. Like it was three white girls first, three white girls.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And I just bullied them, like I just moved them
to the side, just like got the way. There was
like a couple like Mexicans and blacks, like security, big dudes.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And then I couldn't really.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Just bully them, but I bullied them too, you know
what I mean. I just like I was like, yo,
I'm in protege, like y'all can go get them if
y'all want to, like.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Right, and then they just like this Nigga seems fervent.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So I got in and that was talking on stage,
and when he got off stage, he came straight.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
To me because he saw the fit.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. He was just like I never seen anything like
this before, right, And it was like, oh, yeah, I
think he is the proj So that that's That's been
a New York narrative ever since.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Then.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, so what did you have on when you first
met Dapper?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Then?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Like, so what say?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Okay, I had like a.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I had a beige top hat, I had a mint
coat I had Damn.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I don't remember the whole fit, but Nigga, I was flying.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Was it Gucci?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Nah? I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I wasn't wearing no Gucci shit. I got like I
wasn't wearing Gucci till I, like, I tapped in with
that and I talked to Dap and then that's when
my Gucci catalog went crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Okay, so let me ask you this, because I see
you Gucci down right. Gucci's not cheap. Nah, Okay, it's
not cheap at all. So how did you just start
affording these Gucci prints to be able to take to
someone a tailor and start creating these looks?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well, it it's not that, Like I said, I chopped
it up with that for then.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Okay, so he gave you the game.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
He like I said, the old slaves were killed for reading,
and the new slaves won't read to stay alive. Okay,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
If you read, it's out there.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Right to get all of these prints.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, like you you can get to the people like
see me.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I always been nice, right, So I talked to everybody,
Like when I was sneaking to these fashion shows at
Spring Studios A pair forty nine fifty nine, like in
New York. I would talk to janitors, I would talk
to designers backstage. I would talk to every single person,
and I build those connections. I travel overseas, like I
build those connections. I be in Tokyo, I be in Japan,
(08:44):
I'd be everywhere, like I be in London, I be
in Paris. Like this only Gucci's only expensive. This is
this is not I'm brutally honest. It's really not expensive.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Please be brutal, brutally honest, Like it's really not expensive.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
It's really worth like fifteen twenty dollars, you know what
I mean. They just charging you like seven thousand, you
know what I mean, because of the name of it.
But in reality, the factories, not the factory. They just
printed out like it's nothing, right, It's like the factories
is it's like three times this size, and it's just
(09:18):
big ass guccy like sheet of paper to the floor,
like it's just scattered around and.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It's just like whatever. They just like pick it up
off the floor, put it into a bag type shit. Yeah,
put it on a shirt. They'll buy it cheap, you know,
type shit. You know y'all hear that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
It's so I mean, like I said, I did the knowledge,
I did the research, you know, I tapped in with
the ogs so I can figure out how to get it,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So that's what I did.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, And now here's this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's still expensive though, Taylor and get it as a fit,
but like it ain't seven eight thousand.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Okay. So let's go back to childhood, right, Okay? Were
you always dressing like this? Like now I'm going to
ask you a question. I don't want you to be offended, okay,
because this is not what men traditionally would put on it.
Okay you say that, why would.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You say that men don't dress this is dandy, the
black dandy is And this is actually how men dress
back in the days in the Versailles era. Okay, this
is exactly how men dress. The bo Brummels, the no,
this is exactly how they dress. Okay, the Benjamin Disraeli
(10:41):
is the certain kid, the guards. You know, this is
exactly how men actually dress. Right, But not no more
because the new fashion became like jeans, which was one
of the greatest creations, right, you know what I mean.
It's like think about it like this, like have you
seen a creation that was so clean as a three
(11:02):
piece suit? Ever after this, Like there's only been one
three piece suit. There's nothing else that's been clean as
a three piece suit, like Oh that's.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Man three pece suit. He's a gentleman. Or he's a
da da da. There's nothing else.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's like then they start putting pockets on stuff like
fashion get deep, you know what I'm saying, Like this
is actually how men actually used to dress. Okay, but
they don't dress like this no more.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So when you were a child, did you know that
this was what you were gonna do? Like, did you
play with Barbie?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Absolutely not?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
No? Okay, so you played with trucks?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Nah, I play. I used to climb trees. I'm from Belieze.
I'm not even from America.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Oh you're from belief Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
We don't got Barbies or we don't got trucks. We
got barefoot outside in the street, right, Jay? Like trees,
we climb trees.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
We I go in the ocean and catch crabs to
take back to eat.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Okay yeah wow, So okay, So where did this fashion
sense come from? Then? I mean, because if you're talking
about you climbing trees and catching crabs, and you know
you're in the pretty much the.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Gradual you know it just gradually.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I studied was there the internet for you though? Was
it the internet or was it just like that? Was
it a vision from God?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It had to be, you know that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I think Robert Coley say, vision reaches beyond the thing
that is, into the conception of what can be. Imagination
gives you the picture, but vision gives you the impulse to.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Make that picture own.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So I had the imagination, but I just needed the vision.
God can only give you a vision. So I think
I had the vision one time when I was in
the I was in the car, was early in the morning.
I was with some of my homeboys and I'm not
really even cool with and we was just we woke
up early that morning. We were sitting on lean you know,
it's just Texas.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And oh okay, so texts okay, So wait, so you
you started really getting the vision in Texas? Yeah, okay,
so you So let's rewind just a little bit. So
you were in Belieze.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I moved from Believes and I live in tex.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
How'd you get to Texas? My mom and dad Okay,
they were just tired of catching crabs and climbing trees,
and they.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Said, my mom and dad, you know, you know, shot
to my mom and dad. But in Belieze, to y'all
would we wouldn't be considered like rich, but in believes
we're considered wealthy.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So we didn't have to move to America like we
were pretty wealthy in Belieze, like your prince and Belieze.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
You're a junior prince. Yes, Okay, that that explains all
of this.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It just since when I got older, but right, you know,
I didn't understand like who I even was or who
my family was in Belieze in the first place.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That's like, how fortunate that I am to be able
to come to America immediately and be a citizen, Like
I don't have to wait nothing like I was. Just
when I got to America, I was a citizen. Right.
My uncle was like wanting to head people of immigration,
Like it's like yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, okay, so you came over here royalty and a way.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But but when I came over here, we didn't have
as much money, if that makes sense. Okay, American money
is twice billize money, right.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
All right, So Texas, what part of Texas did you
end up?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Austin?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Austin and what a place to end up that because
Austin is full of creatives and artists and you know,
just like people that are forward thinkers. Yeah, so you
end up in Austin, Texas, all right, and you start
to get this vision of this.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah I was.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
But but see before I got that vision tory, like
I was hood you know what I'm saying, Like I
was on some street ship behind.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Okay, I've seen some of the old pictures.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, so you was dressing in the saggy pants Tech
nine in the back pocket the wife beaters.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So but I always had fashion sense, okay, you know,
and you know, I gotta give a shout out to
some guys in Austin called Team Next, Team Nex.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah. They had like a.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Big They had a big on the fashion scene like TX.
Y'all had a big impact on the fashion scene in Austin,
Texas like before everybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And I definitely studied them.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Okay, So how old were you when you were studying them?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I was probably like seventeen sixteen, seventeen, Okay. Yeah, they
had a good run, like tex had a crazy run.
They used to wear like purple and turquoise here and
they just had a movement which was very fashionable, and
a lot of famous people came to Austin and took.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Their movement and ran with it.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And I was like at first, I didn't understand it
until I start seeing what's going on in the industry.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So I was like, oh shit, niggas, do come and
take your.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Shit understanding like and so you're starting starting to get
the knowledge of fashion and how it works. Okay, So
once you got that, right, when did you start to
realize that fashion could be a career?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Man? I think when I went to New York.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I was living in New York, okay, and I was
just at these I was just sneaking in all these parties,
like man, like.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Like what a life to live? You know what I mean?
Like how could I get invited and start hosting? And
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So it's just kind of it kind of happened like that,
living in New York, meeting people like Legendary Damon, you know,
like yeah, like Legendary Damon.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You know, I went to one of his parties. Let
me tell you out here at the one hotel, this
nigga came in and he's a white man, but I
just got nig I mean, but he came in on
a cherry ete. Right, was you at that party?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
No to hear about it?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
That party popping bottles?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yo, Legendary Damon came in a party on a horse, yes,
a white horse.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Like he's the goat when he do this, look you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So and he pop out because he's been toughed away
for a minute. But when he pop out, he pop out,
and he pops out.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Big Damon's outside, you know. Yeah, he started putting me
on like.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Flyers.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, Legend Already Made is hosting that right edition hotel like, yes,
prestigious places.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Legend Already Made is hosting that Da Dada in New York.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You know what I mean, the gold bar.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, like what like bruh, you know what I mean.
So I was able to leverage off of that and
start hosting fashion week stuff and you know, start getting invited,
like getting paid and yeah, so I was like, yo,
this can be my life.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Okay, but it was all based off your fashion, right. Okay,
So now you start hosting these parties, you're getting into
these events because it takes it takes, it takes time. Right,
when did you know that this was going to be
your fashion sense that takes you to the next level?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I would have to say even before that, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
In college, Okay, I had a teacher named Katherine Lange
and she just used to let me.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
She she she she just needed to let me draw.
What school did you go to, Texas State University?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Okay? And what was your major.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Production and performance acting?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Okay, yeah, okay?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And I had a costume class, right, and in the class,
this teacher she was just she would always telling me like,
you know, you have the potential to be a fashion icon,
but your style is disorganized m And I was just like,
coming from a white lady, I was like, I didn't
like how she was talking to me, But now I
see like she so she had me draw men like
broke brummos and these people from back in the days
(18:30):
with ruffles like this, like top hats and stuff like that.
So subconsciously, after drawing this stuff for a whole year,
I started dressing like it, okay, you know, and then
I started being in the plays and I was just like,
I can't be sagging when I'm going to rehearsal and
you know what I mean. So I just start putting
on suspenders and you know what I mean, putting on
top had every day. So I was just like, man,
(18:52):
I'm just rehearsing. I'm rehearsing. I'm rehearsing outside of outside
of school. I'm just like, h this, I think this
is my style.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, I think this is gonna really take me to
the next level.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And I was trying to reinvent myself at the time anyways,
you know what I mean. So it kind of just
happened organically like that God just put it on my.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Spirit he did, Yeah, okay, And so you started seeing
that that was something that was gravit. Gravit, you know,
having people gravitate towards you, You're getting a certain level
of attention. And the mustache. When did the mustache start
coming into play?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
The mustache came into play when I was in Sam Bernardino.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Sam Bernardino, you got this mustache from Sam bernard I
wasn't I was yo, I was that You said no, No,
it wasn't no, Because I'm like, this is like Sam Bernardan.
I never would have thought this came from Sam Bernardino.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
No shot to that grip man. They'd be holding me
down with the mustache.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Wax, like okay, it'd be fire. But now I wasn't
Sam Bernardino, and I ain't gonna lie. Mom. If you
watch this, please don't your man me like I had.
I was at High Times mag magazine. They had invited
me to like that High Time.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Stuff, and I took like an edible or something, and
I just thought it was like candy. I got so
high that I was scared. So I told the uber, like,
take me back to the hotel.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I can't be around people.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And I knew, like in two weeks I had to
have my Shakespeare play coming up. So I was like, man,
I'm so high, I don't know what to do. And
then I just started I was like I went to
look in the mirror and I.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Was like, bro, wake yourself up, come on, you're too high.
And then like my Shakespeare line started coming to my head.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So you started saying, where four outvo.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
That fat is nothing of yours?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And I started playing with my mustache and then it
started curling up.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
It just curled up by itself.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It just started curling up.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That's some trickery in what now, come on now, now,
I'm not going for that.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Nobody. They don't believe me. I swear to.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
God like you was high that happened.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I swear to God like Tori, I got the mustache.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now I know you, but you did that mustache and
it just start curling up like that.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I was swear I was playing with it and it
just started curling up. And I was like, oh that
shit hard, right, And I'm like, I gotta find a
way to keep it the stay.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And you got the wax.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Got the wax soth of that great you know?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Okay? And so now that's how you came into this
whole look, yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Just it's just it's levels man, steps steps of the ship.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Right now? What about women? Okay? Okay, So would you
say that you date women or date men?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
What I have to ask get here?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, I'm sorry I have to ask before man. It's no,
I'm not trying to you know, be you know, an asshole,
or I'm just asking the audience proba be thinking the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Hell nah, y'all know better straight, just women.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Because I don't see women because there's a certain attraction
to a man who has this type of style, right, Okay,
so you have to have someone who matches your aesthetics.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Seeing a woman yet that matches this aesthetic, I mean
it's a few, is it? Okay? So you knocking her all?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Because I saw you on the Erica Menna show. You
as you know, you on that show it's it's called
Two Ways with Erica Menna. How did that go for you?
How did you get on that show? All the Zeus network?
Mind you? Did you meet let me that night when
all that chaos was going down?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Oh that's so funny. No, I didn't mean let me.
I didn't even know who Lemmy was. Okay, I didn't
know who Lemmy was. I didn't really know who's like
Zeus was.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I okay. I always thought that Zeus was like love
and hip hop?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Okay, do you thought Zeus was Loving It?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I just I was so out of place that I
just didn't know that that world exists.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Because when I would see the clips.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Online, I just like, oh shit, Loving hip hop getting crazy?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Right? They fighting now because.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
All the people from like Loving and hip hop will
be on like zoos stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Right then?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
When I finally like did my research, you know, I
was like, oh shit, this is Zeus is his own network.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Oh Zeus is man. So I actually was one of
the pioneers of Zeus. I had a TV show on
Zeus yeah, called Talking Shit Me and Georgia Brant. Yeah.
I was on there talking shit. Yeah. That was like
one of my talk shows. I've had a few talk shows,
ain't Yeah. And let me. I met Lemmy years ago
because I created a TV show called Comedy Wives. I
(23:47):
pitched it to E one network. They bought it, and
they bought it. Let me to be my executive producer
and who handled everything. Of course, you know, it didn't
get sold to any networks, but that's how and let
me build a relationship, and that's how I ended up
being one of the first people. But it wasn't ratchet enough.
That's that's the problem. Right now, I'm not trying to
(24:09):
fight nobody. I'm a lover, not a fighter, you know,
So those fighting days I fought in like high school
because people was always picking on me. But I you know,
I probably was, but but I mean, but I also
you know, I come from a two parent household. My
parents were amazing. They always spoiled me and my sister
(24:33):
and they they just made sure that I had a
good upbreaking. I mean, I wasn't royalty like you over there,
you know, the Prince coming, you know, and not have
being to worry about getting a green cart or nothing.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
But yeah, that's just God.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, it's definitely God. So now, how did you hook
up with Kanye West?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Kanye West?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
What you talking about?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I don't hook up with Kanye West.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You didn't link up with Kanye West.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Oh well, I met Yay, but like I ain't like
I met him like once.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Oh okay. I thought y'all might have been doing you know,
some clothing or business or something together.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
This shit.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, one of my producers. So I'm at to fire him.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I'm at Yay one time.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You know. They was just like, man, you look Amazon, bro,
your fashion is crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So he pulled up on you the way I pulled
up on you. Nah.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
We was at they We was at the Addition Hotel.
I was actually at the legendary Damon party, okay, and
Damon Legend of Dame was just like.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
By the way, Conye West is over there. He just
threw me in an alley.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And I just yeah, and then he was just like, yo,
you look litz. Fuck bro, you definition of da.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Da da da? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
He's just like, here's my email, hit me up if
you do music. And I just didn't know what to
send him, so I never wrote him.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
No, Okay, come on, we gotta figure out, you know,
with you, because clearly y'all can work together. I mean
he thinks outside of about it. I mean he walks
around in likes homeless fashion. I mean, but you know,
your fashions is definitely not homeless looking. It's very Kevin Air,
you know, very Bluechua.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
But yeah, your goat though. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I study yay, like yeah, thousand, like two thousand and nine,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So like the Takashi mirror, Kami trunks.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Who's your favorite designer Christine Campbell? Christine Campbell is your
favorite designer? Okay? Who is a designer that you would
love to work with if you could have any dream
of working with?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Hmm, the designer I would love to work with.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Man them niggas won't work with me, to be honest,
Like I'm working with a designer in New York right
now called Kiki. She's she's making stuff like this for me,
Like it's called k Crochet cause I'm I'm like when
it comes to clothing, like I like accessories, you know
what i mean. That's why I saying I represent that
that era that's lost, right, So I'll say Kate Crochet
right now, Like I'm like, I'm just I'm just fucking
(26:52):
with niggas's fucking with me, right because everybody's just stealing
the swag.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Right now, right, you know what I mean. It's just
going through my page, just still swag like they.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Not they just taking it.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
They watching my story.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They watching my stories, like they following me and unfollowing me,
you know what i mean, Like they follow me for
a month, unfollowing me when they got the swag.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Then I see him on the carpet with the eye.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I'm just like, what do you say about that? Like
do you confront people who's still in your swag?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I can't say nothing, you know what I mean, because
I don't need to. It says it for itself, like
I don't have to say nothing. I'm just like this
is cool, like it ain't mines anyways. This is for
God right, So I ain't create this, okay, yeah, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
It's like I love.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
That I'm necessary to God as he is to me,
for I'm his channel to get his plan in the place.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
So the Saint.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Mons right now for people who don't know, because I'm
not in the fashion industry at all, I mean I
love fashion. I've sold some sweatshirts. I mean, I mean yeah,
but I know. I went downtown, you know, to the
alley and got some sweatshirts and got it printed, and
I told I'm not gonna lie. I sold out in
(28:06):
the day. Okay. So I had an idea one day
and I was like, feel an extra Oh, I like that,
let me put that print on a shirt. And I
didn't know it was going to sell out that faston
literally sold out in three hours, three thousand pieces.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yes, I know, I know, I was like, what the fuck?
Maybe I should have tapped into that more, but you know,
for me, it was just like, well, let me just
get these pieces out, you know, but I didn't know.
So you know, for me, that was just you know,
like I just wanted to get a message out, wanted
people to feel extra about themselves and it's okay to
(28:42):
feel extra about themselves, right, So for you, like what
would you want the world to know and what you
do in the fashion because a lot of people don't
know how to make money off of fashion. I mean
there's there's kids in the hood that dressed their asses off.
There's tell you you know social lights that dress their
asses off. You know, how do you make money off
(29:05):
of fashion?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It's hard, Like you said, a hustle, Like it's hard.
I can't even it's it's so many days I don't
make no money, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
It's like what I'm selling your soul is hard?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Well, no, when you say selling your soul, when is what?
What in the fashion world?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
What is selling fashion world? Like in the fashion world,
selling your soul is real thing? You know, like what
what do people compromise? What like get fucked?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
That's what it is like in ass or like you
mean like on prices or I.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Mean, I just I just you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Coming up in New York, I just met some people
that I used to see that ain't the same.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And you think they took it they got to do shooting,
Shut up.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
They just they're just not the same.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You know what I mean, brother, laughing, laughing like.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
A, I don't know, trying to Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
They're just not the same. And like I said, you.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Just they so you could tell their soul is gone.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
They're walking around blank like like what's wow? I mean
you used to be on this campaign, used to be
on that billboard.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You're talking about models or model design.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Like people Okay, you know what I mean, even people
that have potential.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Wow, you know what I mean. So it's just like
you can make money.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Though you know you can make money, you just gotta
keep going, right, Only those who were going too far
can figure out how far one can go. You just
gotta keep going and just trust God like your time
will come and stop doing it for ego.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
But people got to survive.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
So it's it's that's where your faith come in.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Right, That's where But what if they don't know about
the faith? Like, because you clearly came from parents who
gave you that faith, You had that connection. So what
would you say to people who looks up to you?
Because clearly you are an inspiration. I mean you've inspired me.
Like I told you, I love your individuality. I love
watching what you do. You know, I love giving you
(31:03):
your accolades because, like I said, you're an individual and
it's a lot of people out here who try to
emulate instead of being individuals. Yeah, so what could you
say to these people who are out here who don't
know what to do or don't know the path or
how to even get there?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
And it's hard, okay, but it's possible.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
You know, there's a what's his name, I can't remember
his name, but he says the ideal situation for a
man or woman to die is to have family members
standing with them as they cross over. Oh but imagine,
if you will, being on your deathbed and standing around
(31:46):
your bed are the ghosts of the ideas, the abilities,
the talents, the gifts, the dreams given to you by
life that you, for whatever reason, never pursued those dreams. Right,
You never did anything with those ideas, Never use those gifts,
you never use those talents, You never took advantage of
those opportunities.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Right, And there they are the ghosts. They're standing around
your bed.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
They're looking at you with angry eyes, saying, we came
to you right and only you could have given us life,
and now we must die with you forever so I
would tell you that, don't let your dreams die with you.
So if you die today, what dreams would die with you?
What abilities would die with you unexpressed? What talents would
pass away? And what gifts would be buried forever? So
(32:28):
those four things, like you got to keep those clothes,
Like what are you.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Doing so that shit don't die?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Everybody gonna go through some shit, But what are you
doing so your dreams don't die, so your gift don't
wither away, so those opportunities don't go away? Because if
you really doing this, God would give you an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, if you're doing the work.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah he will. You have to do the work, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So it's and it's for anybody because I used to
go in New York and I got denied for two
years and I never stopped, and then out of year three,
I'm in every party Like, oh shit, this is crazy, right,
you know what I'm saying, So go for it, like
but in the real way though, like like like not
like that, Oh my God, chase your dreams like you can't.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Like, if you chase your dreams, you're not gonna never
catch it. Like you got to manifesture you have to
do the work. You know.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's that simple. You know, every day you wake up,
there's a schedule. See that as an entrepreneur too, Some
people they they feel like, you know, they're entrepreneurs, are
just winging it. No, entrepreneurs have to have schedules, you know.
Like I wake up and I have to work out.
That's that's that's a part of my regimen. I gotta
(33:35):
work out, even if it's a small workout, I gotta
do it.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I don't do it every single day because sometimes I'm tired. Yeah,
but but I feel the difference when I don't do it. Yeah.
So one thing, so do you would you say more
men or more women hit on you?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Oh? My god?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Story with the men and women hit on me?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
How do you take that?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yo?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
A lot of men hit on me and a lot
of women hit on me. Like in my DMS right now,
so many people hitting on me.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
How do you deal with that? I mean, because you
were on a show too called two Ways.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, but the two ways with Erika Manner is she's
dating girls and she's dating boys.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Like, but you was in a house with men and women.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, But I'm for the women though, I'm for Eric. Well,
I'm for you know.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Can you talk about that at all? That experience? How
was that experience? First of all, how did you get
picked for that show?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
All right, all right, let's go back. So I was
in Rome, okay, and shout to Matthew. He's one of
the casting directors. Okay, And Matthew reached out to me,
and he reached out to me. He's like, yo, Lamb,
I think there's a show for you that's perfect, you
know what I mean. Show your characters, show your image.
I think you're going to, you know, make the show
really something.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I told him one thing, I said, Matthew, can I
dress the way I dress? And He's like, man, you
have so.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Much much like they want you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yes, Like yes, I said, if I can jus the
way I dressed, I'm coming on the show, okay.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
And I left Rome. I flew to LA.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Two days later, I'm in front of Prince's mansion in
Beverly Hills meeting Erica.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
First of all, the fact that you said I left room, yea,
I was. I flew my jets and I ended up
at the mansion. Yes, in front of Erica Minna. Yes, yes,
you know on the Zeus Network. Yes, in my fashions
doing what I do.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Most fashionable man to ever walk on Zeus.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I mean, come on like Zeus see Zeus so on
the show. It's like it's the energy was so crazy, right,
like it was so much Tori.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
You know Zeus So.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So I know, I know I'm interviewing Diamond the Body tomorrow.
So do I already know what's about to come with?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
So you can only imagine, right, I'm excited though, Yes,
she's crazy, so like with Erica's cool, like but she
get crazy too.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
And every day I'm just having to dodge fights and
I'm like, oh my god, my suit.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
How was that? Because you was on there with the Plumber? Yeah,
did you like because he's crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
He's crazy, but he's not that crazy that Nigga was.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Beating people up just to beat people up?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So how did you avoid all the conflict?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I just stay cool, like like I just I stay
out the way.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
I stay out the way like I stay cool. I
stapped the way because I focus on what I'm.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
There for you, Like I can't get no blood on
this Gucci.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
My image is not to fight online, like right, like
blood on Gucci's crazy, Like my image is not to
fight online, Like I'm not going to fight online, like
I'm not I'm not a fighter, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Or boss yeah, boss man, for real? I mean, listen,
you're walking around here with the cane with the duck
on the top. You know you were ball Oh that's
an eagle.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
That's nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I thought that was a duck.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, okay, but I was duck in fades, okay for sure. Okay,
So I mean like yeah I was. You know, I
got you know, they wanted to fight me a few times,
but I just had to talk niggas.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Down, like, you know, like you the cane.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
It was like, back up, you can fight that nigga.
Bo right, don't fight me, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I'm here, you know, so but you know, rumor have
it I end up you know, fucking with her best
friend or whatnot. So okay, yeah, the BBWs, you know,
I got.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
A thing for them.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You have a thing for bbw's.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Can't help it?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Okay, Well, listen, I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I love all type of one.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Whatever you love, you go for that. Yeah yeah, all right,
now one more thing, Black Willy Wonka. Who gave you
that name? And that was Detroit right there? Yeah yeah,
you just hit me with Detroit.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Black Willie Wonka. The fans gave me the name, okay,
but like I really only start going by it when
like Fat Joe and Little Boosy in them and like
all the rappers like start really just calling me that
because like I would tell niggas like yo, legend already made.
It be like huh what what And they'll be like, nigga,
(38:17):
you ain't Legendarre you black Woolie Wonker, Nigga, you know
what I'm saying, that's the black Wilie Wonker. So I'll
be showing up at parties and I'll be like, yo, yo,
I'm with dad.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
What's your name? Legend already made? I don't know you.
I'm like, it's black with Wonker. Oh yeah, let the
black one Walker. He's good. You know what I'm saying?
So right, I was like fuck it.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, But that you know that that's a gift because
when people give your name and that's what that's how
they see you, and that's what you run with, and
that's what it is. What do you think about these
men now wearing pearls?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Men wearing pearls?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, you haven't seen men are wearing pearls right now?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Like pearls like pearls.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah what Yeah, men are wearing pearls. How do you
feel about were though?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Like on their neck? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:02):
On the next like like it's a thing right now. Yeah,
I'm surprised you don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
This tory what like pearls like white.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Pearls on their necks?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yes, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Would you wear pearls?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
It just depends like down like like Titanic type shit,
you know what I mean, Like I gotta be on
my Titanic vibes.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Okay, I mean because you're wearing ruffles, So you know,
it's like I don't see why you wouldn't add pearls
to the mix.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
See, you don't understand the ruffles. That's why you're just
talking about. You don't understand what's going on. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
You don't have enough time for any of you to
understand what's really going on.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
I know what I'm saying I think I do, like
this is Versai. Yeah, Nigga is Versailles. You know what
didn't versa You ain't.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Got the answers, Tory.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I ain't got to answer. Sway at you? Right, you're right,
this is besides your vampire is you're telling.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Me like, like what Nigga's only what is when you
were allowed in court?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Okay, so you know what you're missing. Then you're missing
the white wig.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I got hair. Oh, I don't need a right wig.
My hair is long.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I don't fucking right wing's come from.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I don't need no fucking white wig.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Nigga, you went hiding these locks up under that goddamn
top hat.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
And the whole time I'm really him, I'm from that era,
like Tory, like, stop playing with me?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
What and when that was his hair?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And you know what you fucked up to be hide
and neck.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
That's why the woman love me so much. Okay, see
my hair and.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
The tentacles when you're having sex.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
A whole different story, man.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Okay, I listen, I see now, I see now. You
got the fashion, you got the tentacles, you got the mustache.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
You got the glass, you a lot going on. Listen,
you just that nigga tory.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
So I say niggas Masonic.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I see you beside. Look, this is this the Alley
that's the downtown Downtown, the Alley Braids by Joe Lof Studios.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Niggas really rock ruffles, like come from that era.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah, I listen, I love it. One thing I will
tell you, I love your style. I appreciate you. I
appreciate your individuality, Like keep going. What's next for you?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Right now, I'm working with walk Away Smiling. We're doing documentaries. Okay,
I'm working all so with Legacy Limos. Okay, it's this Limo.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Service out there in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I'm also partnering with Creative Creative Capital and this is
called Hollywood and Mind where I'm kind of like a
consultant for mental health. Good come on now, Yeah, I'm
brand ambassador for Deandre's Okay out there in Austin, Texas.
So I get my hair done for free and we
do something called He's He's the Heir where women with
(42:27):
lupis we dressed.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Up and have them walk the runway good and kind
of feel like I'm.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
A philanthropist on.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Top of it all.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, good mind, good heart, good spirit. Yeah yeah. Now,
please tell the people where they can find you.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Y'all can find me at legend already made on Instagram,
black Woodie Wonka on TikTok. Yeah, that's what I'm at. Okay,
pop up or just ask God if you want to
see the flyes nigga.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, y'all heard them? You know what I ask God? Hey, guys,
where's the flys nigga?
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Here is?
Speaker 3 (43:03):
He said? To my right.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Look, I want to tell you thank you so much
for being I'm brutally honest with me today.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Honest.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
You were dope as fu amazing, and please, like you're
walcome back here anytime you need to promote anything. I
got you, I got got anything. You are always welcome
here a seat next to me. Just stay an individual,
do not sell your soul. Okay, because I'm a c
I will know if you got the dukie shoot shout up,
(43:35):
all right.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
And congratulations to you on your show.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Thank you, and I will never get my dookie shout up?
Speaker 3 (43:44):
What like never that not one of them?
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Okay, But even if you were.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But you know, I'm just saying, you know, we'll because
then you know they'll be raided to cancel us in
a quick minute. Oh so no, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
And you know I love everybody.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, me too, I do too. So I'm Torri Hart.
This is the black willy waka a k A legendary
already made.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
It's legend, already legend.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
But see look, I'm already I'm already speaking to exist
a legendary.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
I am legendary, damon.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, legend already made a k A Black willy Waker.
Tory Hart, brutally honest. See y'all next time, Right, girl,
you knew that you.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Knew that girl you were?
Speaker 1 (44:42):
You better read his gangst lean pay attention to everything,
walking around town like he the ship, but behind closed
doors be taken
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