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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Appoche Production.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
A team that as are here walking back to the
building Better Humans Project podcast, and we are now launching
what I already talked about, I guess in Mayhem Mondays.
So that is merely Mayhem Sore Welcome, mill.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Thank you, Hello, call you MILLI, or do call you
Mayhem in this whatever you like.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay. We put up on social media that we were
going to start doing stuff together on Mondays, and we look,
we've been together a couple of years now. We probably
should have been doing this already because we do talk
about a lot of personal development in general. Yeah, and
so now it's about sharing that content with the rest
of the world. I guess I can't wait now. We
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also ask for questions on social media, and we've got
some pretty wild ones.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Wild, but we put them on an NG and also
some really good ones. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, I think even the wild ones are good because
it gives us a chance to talk about personal development.
In some of the questions, people probably highlight things going
on inside.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Them, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And there are things that people maybe don't have the
courage to ask us face to face.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Well that's why it's anonymous, and you know, we did
ask for it.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So there are things around relationships, there are things around
There's one here, who'd win a boxing match.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Between you and me?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well, I'm guessing that's what the way quicker than you?
It just says who'd win a boxing match? So just
speed beat power?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, I don't know, I reckon I could get away
from you and tell you out pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So my lack of fitness, yeah, okay if we if
we get enough votes, we might have to put that on.
There are some other good ones around our relationship as
boxing coach slash athlete and then our personal relationship and
how we draw that line between the two. So maybe
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we'll talk about those. But what we thought for this
first one we would talk about your most recent boxing match. Yes,
because when you talk about the personal development space, are
two things that I think stand out amongst anything that
I've done in personal development. Money's Adventure and obviously we've
just done COACODA as well, so we're going to do
an episode on that. But also the other one is boxing,
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because you will find a lot about yourself, or find
out a lot about yourself when you step inside a
boxing ring and have to take someone else on.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, it's just you and them, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Your preparation, and you're either good enough or you're not
on your side of it. And then you align people
to do their job. You rely on judges, referees, promoters,
and then your own team to do their job, and
then you control what you can control. And I think
that's a good place for us to start when we
talk about talking about this one, but also the mindset
it takes for people that have never had a boxing match.
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There's no quote that says how much can you truly
know about yourself if you've never been in a fight.
And I like that, so we can talk about all
that as well. But do you want to give us,
I guess a brief overview of the fight from your perspective.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
First and foremost, I felt a little bit nervous going
into it, but mostly confident.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I say nervous because I haven't really been nervous in
my other fight, so in comparison, I was a little
bit nervous. And but yeah, we walked out, our music played,
we walked in. I think we I think I boxed
really really well, like so usually it ends up a
little bit of a messy brawl, in other fights that
I've been in, most of my other fights that I've
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been in, and this one was just a really nice
boxing match I found. I found that she was on
the back foot for pretty much the whole fight with
me trying to get to her. Yeah, like I made
a nosebleed. I honestly think I boxed really well. I
think I did really good considering I was going up
to weight divisions and this was just my second professional fight. Yeah,
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it didn't really go away and at the end of it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
But see, so we should let people know that the
decision didn't go to us. And I think everyone thinks
that they get robbed in boxing. Obviously, I personally thought
you won five out of six rounds. Yeah. I had
other people, high level Olympians, Australian champions, world rated fighters,
who messaged me and said, what round did she lose?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
When we shared it, Well, when I came off in
each round, each round, I've gone okay, yeah I've won
that round, and then there was probably one round where
you know it could have gone either way.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, And so I want to talk about all of
that and I want to break it down. But for
people that have never had a fight experience. I've got
some questions here that are going to take us through
the preparation and right through to the end of the
fight experience for you to answer, because I've done this too,
and obviously I do it from a different side as
a coach, but now this is you living and breathing
this most currently. So some questions for you. The first
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one is what was your mindset like going into this fight?
So this is pre fight mindset.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So you mean like during our camp.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
During camp, even in the dressing room before the fight,
before the fight actually happened, what was your mindset like
going into the fight.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I was really excited, you know, like I said before,
slightly nervous, but I was very excited. It was the
first time I was being put on an ACE card,
which I have been going to a shows for so
many years now, and honestly I didn't think that I'd
ever fight on one, but here we are, so yeah,
I was very excited. It was a very much different
sort of promotion that we've ever fought on. I was
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excited to challenge myself as well because we were going
two way divisions up and usually we fight at fifty
four kilos and this was fifty seven. Yeah, mostly excitement.
I was really really and I was pretty confident in
our training and everything that we did because we trained
really hard. You know, we went to Kakota in the
middle of our camp, which.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well, that's my next question because I know the answers
to some of these from my perspective, but other people don't.
So second question was was there anything different about your
training or your mental prep this time around?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, for sure, Like we went to Kokota, We went
to Kokoda during camp, so that was ten days of
walking up and downhills and very long downhills, and we
did a little bit of training on the track, so
that was really good.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And we had a lot of support on the night
from people who trecked with us, which was cool.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah, they came along most of our crew that we
walked with, which is really amazing to see in the crowd.
They all bought T shirts and they all use their
loud voices, which we love.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
So the next question ties into that, how do you
handle pressure when the stakes are high and all eyes
are on you? And what I mean by that in
the sense is that we had friends, you know, people
who have checked with us becoming our friends they've had
ten days through the jungles of P and G with us,
and now they're coming to watch you fight. Plus you
had your own family and friends and people that were
coming to support you, and even young girls coming up
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getting photos after the fight. So yeah, it's cool. So
you're building a fan base of people that love what
you're about. But how do you handle that pressure when
all the eyes are on you.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
By prepping the best way that you can so that
you know that all these people who are coming to
support you. You put in the work and you're not
letting anybody down because you actually have. You know, you
train really hard, You do everything that you can to
prepare for the things like this. You challenge yourself and
then you don't, you know, let yourself be too worried
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about what other people who don't support you will think.
So you just block out that noise and just focus
on you, your family, your friends, and the people who support
you and back your prep.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So we are people that we're fairly confident. Yeah, and
so there are people that want to see you fail. Absolutely,
And I'm not someone that talks about all the haters.
I don't really care. I'm just saying there are those
people out there and we're consciously and that was evidence
by some of the questions that came through and Ngail,
So therefore, do you carry that into the ring at all?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Not really, I don't think about that at all, to
be honest. I've spent a lot of my younger life,
maybe my teenage life, thinking about those sorts of things,
and then I've come to terms with the fact that
I can't really change people think about me.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So yeah, I love it the fight experience. So some
questions around that. So talk us through for people that
have never had this experience that moment when the first
bell rings, So like, do you remember what you're thinking about,
what you're feeling, what you're focusing on right before that
bell goes and when the bell.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Goes, Yes, I'm thinking, as you know, when I'm sort
of bouncing in the corner and waiting for that bell
to go and then you hear box, I'm thinking about
our game plan. I'm thinking about what you've asked me
to do. That's literally the first thing that comes to
my mind.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
What surprised you most you're in the fight, either from
yourself or from your opponent, Jess Clancy, there was anything
that surprised you from from either of you.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
To be honest, I'm really surprised by the fact that
it didn't end up with brawl, because that's the way
that things go hugely when I fight. So I'm really
really happy that we boxed instead of just brawled.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So does it make you lose confidence in boxing though
when you get a decision against you like that, or
do you just think there are some things that we
probably don't need to bring up here, but there are
some things that were just stacked against us from the
beginning which we were aware of.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm sorry. I don't lose confidence in
boxing or in my ability or anything like that. Like
I have been around boxing and have to know that
these things happen.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Because I don't want you to think obviously I'll always
have to brawl.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
No, look, I have thought about that, but yeah, no,
we'll always follow a game plan and then if things are.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
You know, there was no real moment in this fight
where you had to dig deep. Your gas tank wasn't
empty at any stage. There was no a bit of striphy.
We felt very in control, yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Very in control of most of the rounds and of
the whole fight. In general, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
There's two questions around the emotional landscape of boxing, and
one is what emotions hit you straight after the bell?
Like I believe anyway, we felt like we won immediately,
so we thought that's all good.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Do you mean the end bell or that final it?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Is it relief? Is it pride? Is it disappointment in
your performance? Is it There's all these things that can
you can experience, But right at the end of that bell,
what was the feeling in the emotion? Was it that
I won this and I did everything I needed to do?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, it was. I was very confident, you know.
So as soon as that ended and I came back
to the corner for you to take off my gloves
and take my mouth out out, I was like really happy,
you know. I saw people in the crowd and I'm thinking,
we got this, and then we didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And I heard when the judges handed the decision to
the ring announcer. I heard then that they'd given a
majority decision to her, which totally surprised me. But I'm glad,
and I told you straight.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I'm glad you did tell me because my face sometimes
says things that I don't necessarily want to say. So,
I feel like if they raised her hand and I
had absolutely no idea that that was going to happen,
I might have made a, you know, a weird face
or looked into the crowd or look, I don't know. Yeah,
it's something that I wouldn't necessarily want to do because
I find that a bit unprofessional.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
So we've got to deal with the disappointment without you.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Know, it was good that you told me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So the next question is how do you personally define
a win? Then? Beyond the judges' scorecards, what's a win
for you?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
A win for me is knowing that, you know, we
pushed ourselves, we challenged ourselves, we did everything that we
could do despite all the challenges or anything that came unexpected.
Knowing that we won is a win for me. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Regardless of what you know happened, regardless of the actual result,
or regardless of what my record shows, a win for
me is knowing that we won.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It's hard to see it on your record, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Oh my god? I looked up box right yesterday and
I saw one in one.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I was like, stop it.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And for me, I wonder how other people live with that,
because these decisions happen in boxing. It's just the way
the sport is. I've been on the other end where
we've been given fights, not you and I, but fighters
I've had where we didn't deserve it, and I make
sure very I say to them, Look, I don't think
we did enough to get that. Hey, we'll take it.
That's the sport. But let's not over celebrate either. But
we all know that.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Another another wind for me is the people who came
to support me. So looking out in the crowd and
everyone was happy, and you.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Know, you picked up fans.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Another wind for me is even walking around the crowd
of people who I absolutely don't even know, going you
want that, I know you want that, and you know
so yeah. And then those two girls who came and
wanted a photo, and that was really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
It's nice.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They were young, like fourteen fifteen, I know, there were kids.
That's pretty cool. When you have that impact. What did
you learn about yourself from the fight or even since
you've been fighting, you know in the last twelve months
that you maybe didn't know about yourself before.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I guess we're pretty good when things don't go our way.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
So yeah, if.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
You could talk to the girl that stepped into the
ring on Saturday night. Before she stepped in the ring,
if you could talk to her, knowing what you know, now,
what would you tell her?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Go hard? Like just get her out of there, Like,
yeahst her nose up.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, she was bleeding in the second round, and then
her nose went and was bleeding more in the third
and she had to keep wiping it off. And oh yeah,
we've watched that fight over and over again, and I
just don't know which round that they gave. I don't
know how they gave before. Do you know four rounds
they gave to her? So don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So you would tell that girl just to go harder.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Go hard? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
So if I know now what I yeah, you know
what I'm trying to say, I would have gone harder. Yeah,
I would have ended It would have ended up a brawl.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
How do you process setbacks or moments where things don't
go to plan? Like, how do you bounce back from
this sort of depointment? Because you handled it well in
the moment, but then when we drove home, you did
get a bit emotional because you're like, you hate losing.
Let's be honest, and we've always said if we lost
because we weren't good enough, Hey, we'll put a hand
up and say this wasn't our best prep. We probably
should have done kakoda, and we thought about all that
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going into the ring, but you were so dominant in
the performance that none of that mattered. So then when
you get robbed, which is what happened, how do you
bounce back.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
By prepping even harder, by learning, by taking this as
a lesson, and you know things are stacked up against us,
then go hard so the.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Next girl pays, the next opponent pays.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I'm sorry, but sorry, not sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
This is a good one because it's around legacy and
purposes a couple of these and it quantities into the
young girls, I guess. But how do you want young
women watching you to feel about chasing tough goals like
professional fighting?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Definitely inspire definitely like they can do anything regardless of
what's stacked up against them, you know, in life or
in that general moment or Yeah, I definitely want to
inspire young girls because me looking back, as you know,
if I was a young girl now looking at me now,
I would definitely feel that.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
So yeah, obviously we call this the building better humans project,
podcasts and everything we're building in the youth reform space
in youth housing is built around building better humans. So
this question is what does being a better human look
like to you? Inside and outside of the ring.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Giving it?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
You're all working hard, you know, being fair, being good
to other people, being professional, even in moments where you
feel like you don't want to be. Yeah, just holding
yourself to a really high standard, regardless of what you
think is against you.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
So how does boxing help you discover or build your
truest self.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
There's a lot of ways that boxing does that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
For me.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Again, it always comes back to just pushing myself and
working hard and getting through it. And even on your
hard days, you still end up you have to do it,
so you do it. And I always feel like, you know,
sometimes I have a bad day and after I finished
a training session, you know, or aspiring session, regardless of
how it went, like, I still got in there and
I did it. And that's just a lesson for life. Like,
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you know, you have to do the things that you
want to do and that you have to do.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
So what's your biggest takeaway from this? In particular?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I want to say, I want to say things are
stacked up against you, just go hard.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, I like that because you think people listening to this,
particularly in the youth space that we're working with, there
are kids that life is against them and they can
go down the path that they're already been pushed down.
But your idea, I guess what we're saying there is
turning into the storm. So I told a story recently
on social and id Estonia the other day about buffalo's
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and how, for whatever reason, they're the one animal that
when a storm comes, they turn and run into the
storm because they know that that's the quickest way that
the storm will go past them, Otherwise the storm chases them.
And one of your friends of PNG boxer Shila Yama,
she messaged me and said, I love that story, and
that's kind of the same thing. So when life's stacked
up against you, rather than running away from it, run
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at it.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, go hard.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
That's a pretty good message. Last question around boxing for
this podcast, I guess, and we'll talk a little bit
about the jail ones. What's next for you as in
next fight, a new challenge, a new chapter. I know
we've got a lot of things, new challenges, new chapters
coming up, but also we're still maintaining our boxing. Where's
the focus for you over the next six to twelve months,
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do you think, Well.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
We do have a few things coming up, so like
June fourteen, we're fighting, and then we have nationals in PNG,
and then our main goal, which we have spoken about,
was to go to Calm Games. So just train really
hard and just stay consistent with that.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
That's my boxing.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Should we enter a couple of engails? Sure right. I
like this one because we're for both of us and
we'll keep these boxing related. And there are a heap
of these in here. Some are just relationships, some are
totally got nothing to do with us, but they're asking
our advice. But this one is, as both a coach
and partner, how do you create healthy boundaries that support
trust growth and respect in both roles?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Healthy boundaries, So as both a coach and a partner.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
So they're asking me as well, how do you create
healthy boundaries that support trust growth and respect in both roles?
So in our relationship but also in our boxing.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I think by completely separating them, to be honest, So
our relationship is our relationship, and then we treat that
as that, and then we don't let it get mixed
into our coaching and athlete relationship. So we've spoken to
a couple of people who are close to us about
this and the fact that we do separate them. So
we could be having a good day, we could be
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having a bad day. But when we step into a
ring to train, when we go to do our SNC,
when we go to do swim, whatever it is, hill sprints,
you're my coach and I'm your athlete, and so that's
what it is. And I respect you as a coach
the same way you know that I respect you as
a partner. So I'm never going to let those lines sway.
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So if we're not in a good space or whatever,
but we have to train, that's it. We have to
train because I respect you as a coach.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Just to be really clear of people listening, we fight
like any other relationship, right Anyone that says they don't,
I think they're kidding themselves or you're just bottling stuff up.
So we have our fights, and when that happens, we
still do exactly what we intend to do. Train. We
just don't talk to each other in between rounds and
stuff like you know, we're not having little chat chat,
but we box, yeah, and I think.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Theytually do it well.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
We don't allow that to affect our performance even when you're.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
In the ring, like I don't view you as my
partner in the ring. I treat you the way I
treat every other fighter. Like I did have a few
stern words to you. I think you know. I even
swore a couple of times, which I don't do a lot.
I don't think around that round round five or four,
when I just felt like we did get dragged into
a bit a bit of a broad but we weren't
being effective. So that might have been the one round
I gave her, And so I spoke to you then
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about I don't know if you remember, I gave you
a little red up, like why are we doing this?
We need to be doing that. And that's the same
as I do for any athlete. You've got to work
out what makes your athlete tick. Some athletes don't like
to be yelled at, some prefer it, but you've got
to work at what works for them. So I do
I do keep that separate. This question here is how
to overcome the fear of walking into the ring. So
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obviously someone whoever sent this, I'm guessing fights and then
has a fear of walking into the ring.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I guess you've got to sit down and close your
eyes and think about what exactly it is that you're
afraid of. So are you afraid of getting hurt? Or
are you afraid of getting knocked out? Or are you
afraid of losing in front of people? Are you afraid
of what people think of you when you're in there?
Do you doubt your ability? There's so much more to
this question, So I guess it's a very personal thing
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that you have to sit down and actually think about
what you're afraid of.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, and that's I agree. Like I like visualization. Yeah,
I think even in training, if you find that you're nervous,
so you don't really get nervous going walking to the ring.
You love that point. I do. But if you're someone
that does, I think you should practice that. You should
visualize that. You should if you're in a good gym,
they should have when you you should walk out with
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people yelling. When we were training a couple of years ago,
I went to Las Vegas. We trained in everywhere from
top rank to Mayweathers. We train at Mayweathers two or
three times a week, and when you sparred, they would
surround the ring and be yelling at you. And I
remember thinking, man, this is crazy. And there was like
three or four of us in the gym who were
all white, and otherwise it was all black. And it's
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not a racial thing, but they will cheer against you actively,
but afterwards they'll congratulate if you did well. But they
put you under an intense amount of scrutiny and fire,
and they will yell racial things. And I thought, man,
this has a been intense. But then now I know
what I know. I realize they're trying to put their
people in real fight situation. There are going to be
people yelling at you who don't want you to win.
They were cheering for the other person or and so
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what they do is they try and put you in
that fire in training, even to the point where they'll
have a referee in the ring. They'll put an eight
count on you. They'll if you hit someone low, they'll
pull you up on it like they treat it like
a proper fight experience. And my advice would be simulate
that as best you can visualize it at home. Go
and watch cool runnings. That's a good visualization video, but
also go and try and practice it in real time.
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Have people yelling and screaming. And I've been to gyms
where I can you turn the music down or can
people keep their voice down because they're sparring. No, if
you can't hear the coach yelling, what do you think
it's going to be like on fight night. Yeah, you've
got to learn. Ever you're going to zone in on
that one voice. You've got to listen. And sometimes I've
been in you know, I had a fight a fight
on jiavertis Undercome when he won the world title. You
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could not hear squat in that. It was so loud
that you had to give her your advice in the
corner and then she had two minutes to do her
work without hearing you. So you've got to get used
to that sort of thing. See, I think visualization is
one of the best things that you can do.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
The other thing is to give less care. I was
going to say it in different words of what people
think of you.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, because we spare a lot on this podcast. There
was one other that said, oh, this one was I
guess the same question, but it was aimed to me.
I guess, So, how do you balance coaching Millie and
being in a relationship. So for me, so obviously there's
more than one person that's wanted to answer the question,
so I didn't really answer. From my point of view,
I also have very clear lines when if we went
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into a boxing gym and you weren't willing to listen
to me because we'd had a fight, I wouldn't be
able to coach you, obviously, because you can't tread on
egshells in a sport like this, and you've never put
me in that situation. But when we first got together,
because we were already in a coaching relationship, and that's
something that challenges people. We'll talk about on another episode,
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we were very clear around in the early days. I
think we both spoke about that if this affects the boxing,
then the relationship is the first thing that would step back.
We've now changed that opinion, I hope, but at that
first stage it was like we didn't want it to
affect the boxing. And we have had a couple of
chats where where we've had a fight and I said,
maybe I shouldn't be coaching you because if the relationship
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that we've always managed to sort.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
That you've said that once okay, well, so we're doing
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Once it's all right, there was one other question. I
did have another one in this somewhere around the nervouses
of walking to the ring, but I just can't seem
to find it for some reason. But anyway, that's to
me was a really big thing, is that there are
people that want to know how to overcome it. And
if you don't get nervous, how do you answer that question?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Well, like I said at the start that for this
time around, I got a little bit nervous, and I
sat down and I thought about why I'm nervous, and
it was mainly because we're going up two way divisions.
Another thing is because we didn't have much footage. Another
thing was I felt like there was a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
That were they were the A side, So with no
disrespect to promoters or anyone obviously, but they were certainly
in the promoter's corner. And I'm not saying that the
promoters would fix a fight or anything like that, but
there's certainly an onus on judges and that to look
after who pays them. That's just a reality. And you know,
if anyone that doesn't know the sport when you watch
any sort of local promotions, whoever comes out to the
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ring first, unless it's a title fight, whoever comes out
to the ring first is the B side. Yeah, and
all of us were in the B side. There were
a few fights I thought should have went to the
B side that didn't. Ours I wasn't worried about because
it was very clear. But if we were the sort
of people that wanted to look and winge and you know,
we're discussing this with no emotion. There's no emotion to this.
It's just what it was. And I would genuinely tell
(25:20):
you if I thought we lost, no problem, but I don't.
And so we're not winging, we're not bitching, we're not
This is a non emotional just a reality of what happened.
If we were someone that went around winching, we couldn't
do this podcast. We couldn't educate people on how to
overcome their challenges because we have them too. But we're
not victims. And there are people that we know who
(25:42):
don't like us, which is fine. I'm not for everyone
who then go and start liking posts or commenting. You
see all that on social but we don't react to it.
That's a difference, and the sad thing for them is
they're responding and exactly the way I would expect them
to respond, and so that means you are exactly how
I thought you were and we're all good. Any sort
of final messages for people for our first episode of Mayhem.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Monday's keep the questions coming, I do love them.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, we'll put some more ng ls up for people
and feel free, like, go as hard as you want,
you know, and we'll do our best to answer them
and not take anything too personally.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
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