November 9, 2025 • 36 mins
The Adventure of Personal Growth: Building Better Humans Through Exploration
Are you craving more than just another vacation? In this captivating episode of The Building Better Humans Project podcast, hosts Glenn and Mili dive deep into how adventure serves as the ultimate personal development tool. From living out of a van as teenagers to trekking through PNG jungles, they share how stepping outside your comfort zone creates life-changing experiences that shape who you become. Their stories reveal that adventure isn't about luxury or distance traveled—it's about challenging yourself in new environments and collecting experiences that become the stories you'll tell for decades.
The hosts explore how structured adventures like Kokoda Track and Aussie Ten Peaks create powerful bonding opportunities between parents and children, especially during those crucial formative years. They emphasize that adventure doesn't require expensive gear or exotic locations—it could be as simple as climbing your local mountain or bathing in a creek. What matters is putting yourself in situations where you're slightly vulnerable but capable of overcoming challenges.
Timestamps:
- 05:30 - Mayhem's 8-month van life adventure across Australia and the theft that changed everything
- 14:20 - How adventure creates deeper connections and conversations
- 22:45 - The philosophy of collecting experiences rather than possessions
- 31:10 - Kokoda Track experiences and watching people overcome their limitations
- 38:15 - The Aussie Ten Peaks adventure and nearly missing the chairlift
- 45:30 - Why 80% of the time you'll spend with your children happens before they turn 18
Key Takeaways:
- Adventure creates stories and experiences that become defining moments in your life
- Putting yourself in uncomfortable situations builds resilience and confidence
- The most meaningful adventures often involve overcoming fear or uncertainty
- Adventure creates unique bonding opportunities between parents and children
- You don't need to travel far to find adventure—it's about your mindset, not location
Ready to transform your life through adventure? Whether you're looking to strengthen family bonds, develop resilience in young people, or simply break out of your comfort zone, this episode will inspire you to take that first step. Visit adventureprofessionals.com.au to learn about upcoming youth development camps and adventures in 2026 and beyond!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Approche Production. Heyteen glen As are here. Welcome back to
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the Building Better Humans Project podcast. It is Monday, which
means it is Mayhem Monday, which.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We have, Yes, it is, we have Mayhem the rock Star. Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Where We're not going to do a Lessons learnt this week,
and the only reason being is we're literally recording this
podcast directly after the last podcast, So if you want
to know lessons learn you have to go back and
watch the last one and ask yourself is Taswegian a word?
And we know it is?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yes. So I've just returned from Ossie ten and I'm
now just about to go on Everest base camp, and
I thought it's a good opportunity to talk adventure. Maybe
even we'll delve into we're just add to me, Maybe
we'll delve a little bit into our youth programs and
whatnot to see where it goes. I thought it's a
good opportunity if you've got any questions around any of
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those adventures, because there are something that really hasn't been
on yet. But also I just want to challenge people
into this idea of using adventure as a personal development tool,
which means wherever you are, there would be somewhere nearby
you that you could go out and climb a local mountain.
Sunshine Coast and west of Brisbane and we have heaps.
But on wherever you are, I don't care if you're
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if you're a Taswegian or whatever part of Australia you're in,
what do they call it, West Australia, just the West
Australia or QUEENSLANDA Taswegian's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Actually in Perth they refer to these stats as over east,
so they'll say, oh, she's gone over east, as if.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We're like y gone to the whole other things.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, she's gone over east.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, the Taswegian's always talking about the mainland.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I'll do that. This is the main land, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So I guess. But then they get to be Tesswegians,
which is pretty good. Yeah, So wherever you are, there
would be somewhere that you could adventure. Like Australia is
a pretty big, like.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
That's beautiful, a like it's stunning.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So I was lucky enough to travel out of a
van for eight months of my life, and I lived
in this van and we traveled most of the.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
East coast of Australia.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's adventure.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, honestly, I highly recommend.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Give us an overview of that experience.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
We went from cans to Melbourne, but then we went
inward a little bit, we came out.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We sort of winged it. It was just we just wherever.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
That was my question.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So you were how old seventeen, eighteen.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Seventy and eighteen and the people with you were both
around the same age.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, and no plan, no plan?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Did you know when you were going to come back?
Did you know?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, the plan, sorry, I will say the plan was
to move over to wa to get mining jobs. But
that didn't happen because this trip kind of fell apart
on the way and then I ended up going back
to Cape York.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Why did it fall apart just because your teenagers and
you were just oh, did your evan get stolen?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well, the van got stolen, so we got we made
it to Melbourne and my sister was living in Melbourne
at the time, and so we were sleeping on our
mattress just in her living room. And then the guy
that I was traveling with, so I was traveling with
two people. One of them went and stayed with somebody
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else around Melbourne area, and then me and Dan went
and stayed with my sister and then he's from a
very small town called Kyogle in New South Wales, and
so he's very small town thinking. So he left the
ka key on the front tire in Melbourne and I
was like, anyway, so every morning we'd wake up at
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my sister's and go into the van, drive down the
road and get a coffee.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So we're trying to do that and then we.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Come out of the van's just not there, and he's
like and I walked out behind him because I like
he'd already gone out to go start the van, and
I was coming behind him and I just see him
like with his hand on his head and he's looking
around and he's freaking out, and he's like.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The van's gone. The van's gone.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And I was like, and keeping in mind, our whole
lives are in this van because we're moving to wa
everything everything. I had a four thousand dollar camera in there,
two guitars.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, had his camera in there. They took like like
all my shoes were in there.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Everything or like this case that I had with basically
my whole identity that could have been taken off me
was in there. It had my British passport. It had
my Populiginnia and passport. I lost it all, my British, my.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Passport, my p G passport.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Birth certificate. Actually there were copies of birth certificate, so
luckily my mom had my original birth certificate, which is
a cardboard thing from p G.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Everything.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Anyway, we phoned the cops and then that day we
were meant to fly to Brisbane for called Bonivert, a
concert an artist Canadian artist called Bonivert. So we were like,
we can't go to Brisbane because the van's gone. But
then we're like, no, we're not missing this concert. So
we flew to Brisbane, did this concert, flew back, and
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then two three days later, the cops phoned us and
they were like, oh, we found ja van.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It's in sunshine.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I still live in Milton, so sometimes pretty rough.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's rough as it was, but.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I was a kidding yeah, So we went. I wasn't
in a taxi or maybe Tina drove us, I don't
even remember, and then stripped everything out of this van.
They took all my shoes, they took our cameras, they
took our guitars, absolutely everything.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
They took my.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Identity devastating as a teenager.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know what I was most mad that was my shoes.
And I was like, and now I look back and
I'm like, he use a shitted shoes.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You're pretty upset, I remember telling me, or not upsets?
You kind of got the ink by the way he responded.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, because he's like, my whole life isn't that. I'm like,
it's my.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Life too, bro Like yeah, he was like almost in tears,
but it was like, just how are you going to
provide and protect for anybody when you're.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Be a bit more stowish. Yeah, well, interestingly for me.
That's so that's adventure, right, Well, what I do is structured.
It's everspace camp, it's Mount kiliman Jo, it's Kakota where
people are getting put into uncomfortable situations. But that's adventure
that a lot of people don't take the time to
do that gap year if you want to call it that,
or seventeen eighty nineteen year olds people think that they've
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got to have their lives sorted out, but just let
them go and travel if that opportunity presents itself and
have some experiences.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Don't like it was amazing. We didn't have much money.
I'd saved up a little bit of money from Cape York,
but that was dwindling.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Did you work when you stopped at places?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We did fruit picking.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
We stayed in a farmhouse in this place, I think
it was called Binanmbra in Victoria. So many places that
we stopped at, tiny little towns. But we'd just be
driving and we'd see like all work is wanted, and
we'd go and stop there and make your hundred bucks
for the day or something like that. That'd get us through.
And it was a lot cheaper back then then. Back then, yeah,
it was pretty good. Fuel didn't cost as much as
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it does now, and everything didn't cost as much. Tiny
little basket stop it anyway, Yeah, started, Yeah, we did.
We stayed at this farmhouse because we went to this
particular town because somebody from Cape York was from that town.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
What was his name, Mark Aviachat.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Because he always used to talk so much, so we
just call him a chat anyway, So we went and
stopped there and his mate owned this farmhouse that he
was getting ready to sell or something. So and then
the front tire of our van something was wrong with it.
So he said, if you clean and stay in the farmhouse.
Number one, you'll have accommodation for a bit instead of
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just staying in the van because it was called for us,
but it was during the summer time for them, so
they didn't care. And then he said, I'll replace all
of the tires. Yes, sweet ass, So we clean up
this whole farmhouse, stayed in this farmhouse.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Then he replaced the tires of the van, and then
off we went like that was just the trip. It
was so good.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
There's a lot to be said for not knowing what's
coming up. So when I run adventures, it's very structured
because we have a safety protocol and you know, there's
a duty of care. But what I don't do is
give people the whole adventure. I give him just twenty
four hours. And then people in today's society want to
know everything.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I noticed that on and I just ain't one of
the trips we did.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, because I tell them I don't do Are we
there yet? I'm going to tell you what's happening of
a nighttime for the next twenty four hours, and that's it.
Because if I tell you what's happening on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
you're not going to remember, or if the itinery changes slightly,
people freak out, whereas what you did there is no
set itinery per se. And if we stop here and
we spend a week here because we're working, we're putting
a bit of money in the bank before we continue on.
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That that's adventure. So I try and implement that into
our adventure programs a little bit. Sometimes something will happen,
you know, like a couple of days in and then
I'll give people an easier way or a better way
for that, and they go, what are you doing about
three days ago? Because I kind of want you to
work it out, And sometimes people do work it out,
and some people don't have that capacity because they're not
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used to it. So that's a part of the adventure experience.
But the other side of it, from our point of
view is you will never come on an adventure with
us and not have these sort of conversations, which is
how this Mayhem Monday started. Is really nice to sit
around and say we always still do, but we'd have
amazing conversations pretty deep. We're not really surface level conversation people.
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And then we used to say we should record some
of these, and now some of these we definitely couldn't record.
We think these conversations in general are conversations that not
enough people have or have access to. And so if
you come on adventures, you're surrounded by people.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
You know, you know one thing that I did, so
to cut you off, but one thing that I did
notice while I was on this trip, or any time
I have ever traveled in any capacity, whether it's just
a NUSA for everyone is so happy.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And I get it, you're on holiday, but we did
this eight.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Month long living out of a van, and you'd meet
some people, whether there were an older couple in a
caravan or whatever, or whether there were backpackers.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Everyone is just like happy.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's like a community.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, it is a little subculture.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Like you're sitting around the fire and everyone's talking about
their adventures. And when they're talking about their adventures, like
they're talking about it so positively, like it's just a
happy time in your life that you go out. You
get to go out and you do these things, whether
you're climbing a mountain or even after Kakota, as hard
as it is, people will speak positively about it.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
There's a stoic philosophy that's built around the fact that nothing.
We don't own. Anything, we don't own people, we don't
own even the house, even if you've bought it. Everything
in our life is temporary. Everything in our life, including
our life itself, ends at some point, and so I
have no ownership of my relationship with you. It could
end tomorrow. I don't have full control over that, right.
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I might not want it to, but that's what could happen.
And the Soke philosophy is that everything in life therefore
is an experience. So what I'm having with you right now,
but also in our relationship, this is a life experience
that I should hopefully look back on one day, whether
this life experience was two years or thirty years or whatever,
and go, wow, what an amazing experience. But people get
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so guarded into owning things that we forget to have
the experiences of those things. So the jet ski is
not about the thing parking in your front yard. It's
about the time you get to take it out with
the kids or do something. The relationship isn't about saying
I'm in a relationship ole this is my wife. It's
about the moments that you share together, doing cool stuff
and having experiences it's about when something exciting happens, who's
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the first person I want to ring and tell It's you,
and vice versa. Even if we've had a fight, something happens,
I still want to tell you, right, And so that's
when we start to understand the experience is more important.
So if that's true, then collecting experiences because what you
had as a seventeen eighteen year old traveling around Australia,
it's still with you. It doesn't matter how it ended
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or why it ended. There were some good things in
there and some bad things. Getting robbed pretty shitty, but
still the end of the day, it's a cool story
that you've had this experience. I've been in war zones
and seen some really tough things, but also there were
some great experiences when I was over there of watching
people overcome. I was also involved in helping with cleanup
for tsunami for some natural disasters, and you see people
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who lose their whole families and then they're out helping
other people and they're really positive about I'm alive or
you know, and so on. So life is all about
these experiences and that's what eventually gives us. So people, well,
I've had people say to me, why would I go
and spend six thousand dollars to do Kokoto which with
flights and gear, and that's about what you spent. And
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then I could just go for a holiday with my
family to the Sunshine Coast. And you know it's true,
but if friends come around and visit, we're seldom getting
out the photo album or bringing up check out this
me and really, you know, in our swimmers and I
hear's the boys jumping off a water side. Who cares
because but Kakota or every space camp, people go, oh,
this was this wall that we climbed, or this was
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this time I got really scared. Or I had a
couple of people just on Aussie ten that were really
scared of heights, like properly scared of heights. And there's
a couple of points where you get to that are
quite high and we would slide down the snow, which
is as safe as ours is. It's an amazing experience,
but they were so fearful of it. And so when
we came off Cozy, I just I did a video
on this. I just walked and they're followed me and
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we're looking for a point that's not too steep, but
that's steep enough. And they're looking over and I could
see the nerves on a couple of these people. And
then once we got to the point where I felt
it was good, I just went and now they have
no option but to follow me. And they were laughing
about it at the bottom because they all followed and they said,
you just kind of went, and we're like, oh, he's left,
uee it, we have to come. I said, yeah, because
I'm not going.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
To like there's like a rock or something.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
No, like I know how to look for all of
that stuff. Yeah, And it was very thick snow.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Because imagine you're like sliding down. You're just over a rock.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
The worst thing is that there are some overhangs, so
it looks like it's a smooth, but the overhang will
come out and then it'll drop, and I reckon that
would injury your back or something. So that's what I'm
looking for, and then just finding the right spot and
then guiding them down because they don't know what they
don't know. Sometimes there are big rocks in front of you,
but if you know how to move towards them and
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your feed out in front of it's like being in
water use that to push and bounce off. But I'm
not taking them there because they don't have that skill set.
But they followed, and then they and one of them,
Sam said, actually said to me, I don't know if
you know, but I'm deathly scared of heights. So I
can tell. It was very obvious and it's all good.
But I just didn't make an issue about it because
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years ago in the Army, when I first joined in
the early nineties, adventure training. They have an adventure training wing.
An adventure training back them was fishing and a piss up.
And I don't drink and I don't particularly enjoy fishing.
So you go on these camps for two weeks and
that's all everyone would do. It'd be more of a
stress relief. And then the Army got a bit smarter
and said adventure should be about taking people outside their
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comfort zone. So if you're scared of heights, you will
abseil and do stuff. But you're scared of heights, but
you might not be scared of the water soon, But
whereas I might be, I might have no fear of
the height, and I'm not great in the water. So
they try and put each of you in situations where
they know it's safe. They know you're going to be
able to overcome it, but you don't really want to
because people who are scared of heights do not want
to abseil. But what they realize is that there's peer
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group pressure. When all your mates start doing it, you
kind of think, well, I'm sub conscious that I know
it's safe because they're all doing it, So I'm just
going to go because I don't want to be the
one left at the top, and you overcome your fear.
I took a group of people abstating off Kangaroo Point
years ago when I had a gym in Timba. There
was a couple that didn't want to go, but once
they got over it the first time, they're a bit
has it the second time, and after the second time,
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I couldn't stop them. They just kept coming up and
going again and again because all of a sudden they realize, hey,
I can do this thing. And that's what I think
people get out of adventure. That's why when we run
our youth development programs, they have fitness mindset and adventure
in them. So their fitness element is anything of physical
capacity that you have to overcome it doesn't have to
be exercised. And then it can be just carrying all
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of our gear into the campsite, which can be a
couple of keys. We do mindsets, so we talk to
them about why we're doing what we're doing, and then
there has to be an adventure element, whether it's as
simple as climbing a mountain or on one of the properties,
we go out to its sandy creek. When the weather's
right and they've had enough water, there's a creek line
that they can wash in, which is the same as MPNG.
So you know, for a lot of people getting into
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a creek to have your bath for the night in Australia,
that's really out of your comfort zat or weird. But
it's such a cool experience.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And we're my favorite things in the world is.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
And we've done it with groups, you know, with males
and females. Obviously we segregate them. Girls. You go first,
you get thirty minutes, and then the boys will go
down and it's just such a freeing experience that a
lot of people do get to have. Yeah, that's adventure.
Adventure doesn't have to be absotting, it doesn't have to
be climbing Mount Everest. It doesn't even have to be
doing kakoda and stuff. It just has to be putting
yourself in a situation that maybe it's challenging, but also
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that you can overcome that you can have an experience.
How often people talk about kakoda, you know, and for
you coming from P and G, it must be pretty
cool that people have a positive link to the country.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, because a lot of people you step up in
the Guinea and they're like, oh, we're going to die
over there, or people are going to eat us.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Seriously. Yeah, Yeah, it's nice when people have a positive
experience about P and G.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And I think you'll find that most people who go
there and learn a little bit about the country come back.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
There's been one, or actually one person who's openly said
I didn't enjoy New Guinea. Yeah, but I feel like
that was more of a tack on me rather than yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
You need to go to your places and have experience.
You need to be open to those experiences. So I've
had people done adventures, so I'd never do that again,
but I enjoyed it. Well, then we've still achieved our goal.
I've taken on that experience. So i'd love to know
because you've done Kakoda and of course obviously coming from
pump in Li Guinea, i'd love to know your when
we did do a podcast as well, I'd love to
know your experience of the adventure side. Obviously been home
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in your country. Listen being with the boys, speaking language,
singing the national anthem on bage Hill. That's all pretty cool.
But just from the adventure side in.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
General, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's amazing, like what you can do, and you're going
up and you're going down, and as you know, and
I've said many times that downhill was a killer for me,
Like uphill, I could honestly do it for a.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Very long time. I wouldn't say all day.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Was it the knee.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It was the knee, and it was the slippery and
it was the worried about tearing my acl again thing.
But also it's just a down, the down, and then
your neck gets strained because you're looking down the whole
time for hours, just looking down. And I'm not selling it,
but it is amazing also, but walking through the forest,
it reminded me of my childhood. Dad used to love
going for a bushwalk. So he used to take me
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along sometimes and he just used to have a machete
and used to cut the path and we used to
just walk through the bush and we used to go
and do that, and yeah, so it did remind me
of my childhood as well, but it was more so
for me watching other people, especially because I went would
shoot one of my mates from high school, and he
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was not in his comfort zone at all. He's a
very academic guy, and he loves wine, and he loves cars,
and he loves figuring out engineering and that that is
not shoot and so walking in the middle of the
PNG jungle up and down and yeah, he's and rain
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and slippery, But then watching him overcome all of that
and getting it done was pretty amazing to watch. And
listening to people's stories at the end of the night
and things like that.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I love that aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
What amazes me about it is I'm born and bred
in this environment. Obviously, I spent my whole life in
the military, you know, seventeen years. You're an athlete, so
this is stuff, and you're from PG, so this is
stuff that we don't feel uncomfortable doing. And I love
watching people who come out of an office, who forty
fifty year old mums and dads even who maybe haven't
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really had an exercise routine for twenty years, and they
make a decision, I'm going to go to Kakota or people.
I've done a lot of people that are really wealthy
and they live very comfortable lives, and they don't like
they they're five star people, they're not camping people. But
they make a decision to do Kokoda. And now Cokuta
doesn't cat much money. You've got. You know, you're in
a sleep mag you're on the ground, you're in your tent.
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If it rains, it rains. I love that aspect. I
love watching people who I know this isn't comfortable for
them in some level, and yet they just smash it
out of You know, last year we had a couple
of or this year we had a couple of ladies
in their seventies do Kakoda with younger groups and they're
just outpowering up these hills and you think you can
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only hope to still be living life, you know, as
opposed to people that go it looks I'd never do that.
It looks muddy, it looks see, it looks at those
are the experiences you talk about like you're not. I
don't think anyone's pulling out their photo albums of their
holidays where they're just sitting in a resort. Very rarely anyway.
And whereas when you go and have an experience, if
you do kakoda and you meet someone who's I did
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that five years ago, you have the similar stories. Those
sort of hardships link you.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It's such an accomplishment, like it really is.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, and I want merely to do all of these.
But next year we've got the Conwalk Games, which is amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
So I'm going to have this fight November twenty nine
on the GOLDI if you're free, come along, let's go.
And then I'm going to have December off because I
don't want to put too much pressure on myself regarding
training and time away from the children and such and such.
And this is so funny because we've been in camp
back to back for so long. And the other night,
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Friday night, I went out to dinner with really good
friends of mine from Cans Daniel Gunsberg, Gunsy and a
really good friend of mine Stevie.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I didn't say any photos of that, but I just
saw a little bit of Guns. He's head and I'm
not what's happened with the hairstyle.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I roasted him about that. He's actually like my new hair.
I'm like, it looks a bit uneven. He's like, shut up, Millie.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
He's always blonde.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That's just it looked like it was on top of.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Now he's done a little like cut on the side,
mohawk looking thing, and I was like, oh, your heir, and.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
He like tipped it or something because it looked slightly
different colors.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That's his natural hair color. I don't think he's He's
not the type of guy who'll go get die.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
He'll cut it and that's about it.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
He's not anyway. If you want to see an adventure,
go follow Daniel Dan gunns On. His life is a
whole adventure.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That's his job. That's what he does. Amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Anyway, I caught up with them too, and it was
just such a good evening, so many laughs, and they
were just saying how hard it is to catch up
with me and guns you were saying like, when's the
last time I caught up with you know?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I was like I don't even remember.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And he's like he's like saying to Stevie's like the
last time I caught up with her. The only time
that she could catch up with me is if I
came to her sparring.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
So you get to come and watch a training session.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I'm like, bro, I don't have any time to catch
up with you, but do you want to come to spiring?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And he's like yeah, gone.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Then so I picked him up on the way to
Sparring and he came to Spiring and then it was
quite a long ride because we had to go to
Bathania for spiring, but we caught up in the car.
Then he watched Spirring, then we caught up in the
way back. I dropped him off. We went our separate ways.
But why I'm saying that is December will be a
break for me and I'm looking forward to that. And
then January January it'll be calm, games prep and adventure prep.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah. So January February, we're going to relaunch our youth
development programs again. And we talked it as the last episode.
But if you've got eleven to seventeen year olds, and
I don't care where from an Australia people fly kids
into to work with us, we would love to take
them out and start to really relaunch these adventure programs
bro Camp in Ala. The other side of that is
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a lot of people reach out to me say they
want to work with young people and learn to do
this sort of stuff, and I generally ignore them. I
hate to say that I have in the past because
my brain is kind of wired to say, well, if
you've all people I've always wanted to do that my brains,
why an't you doing something? So if you reach out
to me, do something to start off with. But also
I am now we are now more open to training
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some people up because we've got a lot of interest
from from Youth Attention through to the highest end schools
in the state and everyone in between. And I think
all young people deserve this opportunity. You a lot of
people don't want to admit that the kids are having
trouble because I think it reflects on them as a parent.
Not at all. I've had struggles as a parent, You've
had struggles as a parent, We've had We've been struggles
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as children. So it doesn't mean that our families or
that your parenting is not good. We all need freaking
help sometimes.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
And well, this is what we learn in youth care
it's you know, positive factors, risk factors, and everybody's got
both of those things. You might have more risk factors
depending on where you live, depending on your family, lifestyle,
all of the things, so or you might have more
positive factors. So we're trying to add more positive factors
into a child's life rather than risk factors.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
So I love that. The other side of it is
even So. I was talking to a friend a couple
of days ago and he was thinking about not coming
to Kakoda because he's having some problems with one of
his children who's thirteen, and I said, bring him like
and he said he think so, yeah, absolutely bring him.
Thirteen year olds can handle this stuff. You will not
find an avenue to have a better connection with your
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young people than on Kokoda, where you've got eight days
in the jungle where you can't escape each other. And
I say that almost jokingly, like they can't escape you.
But sometimes we as adults are escaping our kids do
because we're so busy at work. And what they really
crave in and they don't know it is time. They
just want time with you and to go out and
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put yourself in a situation where you're a little bit
vulnerable because mums and dads are meant to know all
the answers. And we've talked to this a couple of
podcasts ago and then you get to Adurie Reels. Ah,
they don't, well, put yourself in a vunerable situation where
I'm a bit unsure. I'm forty or fifty, I'm not
sure if I can do Kakoda, and you're taking a thirteen, fourteen,
fifteen year old who is going to kill it because
they're young. It's good for them to see mum or
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dad in a slightly vulnerable situation but willing to take
on life because as adults we say to kids, have
a crack at life, have a go at that thing,
you know, so what if you might fail? And then
we don't do any of those things. So if you're
not sure, youth programs for your kids, but also come
and do something with them, like whether it's Kakoda or
Ossie ten. It's only four days. It's a tough little
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adventure for four days, but it's an adventure. I just
took a sixteen year old Lucius away with us on
that camp.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So quickly though, for those of those people who don't
know what Ossie ten is, can you just give us
a quick rundown.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Ye, Sosie ten peaks is we go down to Mount
Kozosco National Park in the same mountains in Australia and
we do the ten highest peaks in the Kozosco National Park,
so the ten highest peaks in Australia. So they're all
apts or around two thousand meters above sea level. Now
that's nothing compared to an ever space camp that's and
fifty meters, but it's tougher than you think. So over
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two days, the first day we did thirty four k's.
We did six peaks on this last trip and we
did well. I did forty five thousand steps in one day.
There's a lot of steps. I was actually so tired,
but not I'm tried to explain it to you on
our phone, but it wasn't like just a pure physical
tide andess it was just everything. It's a mentally physically
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long day, but also amazing. We got some amazing photos.
As as tired as people were, they were like this
was freaking amazing. They just had the time of their life.
And I had people that had never really adventured before.
I had a couple that had done killing, but most
of them hadn't done much. So then we come back
and we stay in Ginderbyne, and then we go back
out the next day through Threadbow because the first day
we go out through Perisher, second day out through Threadblow
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when they do the last four peaks in the park,
finishing with Mount Coziosco. I didn't tell this, but we
nearly missed the chairlift on the way home. Oh really, yeah,
so the chairlift closed at three forty five. We're just
taking our time. We're having photos and having time and
all that sort of stuff at each of our stops,
and sliding up and down the mountains, you know, just
having a good time. And then all of a sudden
we got the top and we spent probably well I
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facetimed due from Cozy and we spent probably twenty minutes
longer there than we should have. And then all of
a sudden we looked at me went, oh, we're going
to be late to get back for the chairlift, because
the chairlift shuts off at three forty five.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Was to go. If you missed the chairlift, then you've.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Got like a two to three hour downhill walk and
it's heactic I've only ever done it once and it
was terrible, and so we're like, we don't want to mississ.
And then I'm just walking mine of my business on
my own. There's three or four people in front, then
there's a couple of people in front of them or
seeing between me and them. There's a big gap because
sometimes I just slide to be on my own. And behind
me a fair way back is a couple of the
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girls who knew each other. And then all of a sudden,
I here these like fast footsteps coming through the snow.
I'm thinking I must be someone else treking past, but
these two girls and they come up and turned around there.
I said, what's up? They said, do you reckon? We're
gonna make it. I said yeah, and actually so now
we're running like a shuffle, but there's a bit of
a shuffle. And then we got to Lucius and we
said to him we might not make the chairlift. So
then he starts shuffling and he runs up to the
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group at the front and tells them, and then they
start running and we got there after three forty five.
But one of the guys, Gavin, he got there first,
and he said to him, there's like nine of us
coming to any chance you could not turn the chairlift.
And the guy at the top was super chill. But
I've had in the past where people who that that's
the rule.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Is that this is my last one. I'm going home.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
This guy we got to him and his mate was there.
He's made him come up, pick him up because I
were about to turn off the chairlift, and he held
on and held on and we're like running down the
hill and we get to it. It was gonna thank
you so much again, it's all right, I'll get paid
by the hour. Great attitudes. So I'm not going to
dob him in for names for in case three both,
but yeah, that was that was hectic. So and again
like we're pretty fatigued. There was twenty odd k's the
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second day, but you still got a little running you
if that's what it took, you know. And everyone was
a bit sore, a bit tired. But it's a really
amazing experience and ginder Mine is an amazing place and
not many people go and do it. We all hear
about like the Overland Track in Tasmania or not many
people have heard about Izi tent, and it's one that
we actually pioneered years ago because to just walk up
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Mount Cosiosco is a non event. It's kind of like
five k's out on a plank walk five k's back.
It looks amazing, but it's you know that in and
of itself isn't quiet. That's not quite enough of an adventure.
So then we go off the beaten track and it
feels good because on a Saturday and particular, there's all
these people, you know, just going up and back on
this plank walk in jeans and whatever. It's just a
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chill sort of walk. And then we start on that
and then all of a sudden we peel left and
go off into the there's no trails out there, and
you see people watching you, going what the hell are
they doing? And when you come back onto the trailer,
everyone's coming back and they're like, what the hell are
you guys doing? And you tell them, Wow, we've done
six peaks in the park and we're doing four today
and of the ten peaks, only three of them are
on the trail. The rest of them you've got a
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bush bash for you're going to navigate to. And it
just feels empowering to do something that no one else
is doing and people are asking, what are you guys doing?
That feels pretty good.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
So, yeah, we did that, I'm coming to do it.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Thanks and four days and we're normally starting a Thursday,
finish on a Sunday. There's two days of actual trekking.
So it's just a real if you want to start
short and sharp, it's a fantastic way to start, and
then kakoda is the next way. I just think for
if you want to engage young people in your life.
I've had people bring the adult children in their twenties.
It's still what a great connector for us too, because
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as your kids get older, you realize there's less and
less time you get to spend with them. Statistically speaking,
eighty percent of your child's life will be spent with
them from the age of zero to eighteen. So the
next the twenty percent of their life and your life
that you'll spend together is in all the rest of
life because they move away, they go overseas, who knows,
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they go and study, they get married, there's all these
things that happen. So if you're in a hurry for
your kids to grow up, which we are. Sometimes it's
sobering to realize that eighty percent of the time you're
going to spend with them in your life, he's going
to be spent from zero to eighteen. So go and
have some experience. Next year for us, we're going to
do this. We want, if the business is doing well enough,
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all and training, and we want to take the boys
to p andng definitely because that's their blood and we
want them to go and experience that. But I also
want to have the capacitate them to Africa with us
and to Nepal. I don't know if we'll get all
of those off the ground, but we'll to get least
two done. Because we still do our holidays. We're doing
a Christmas holiday this year on the Gold Coast. We
still do all of that, but we want to take
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on things that they look back and they've got a
story to tell and then they go back to school
and they go we went to Africa. People go what
you know, we want like yere America and Disneyland and
all that sort of stuff. But I want them to
have a proper adventure. So yeah, we really want to
encourage people to come and do some of that stuff
and Today's episode was just about for me trying to
explain why I think adventure is the best person development
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in the world. And I don't know before we met
how you felt about that, but you've certainly been absorbed
into that world. This is our world now.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
So I've always loved that sort of stuff. You grew
up like that was, and then I lived in Cape
York for ages like the amount of stuff that you know,
you go fall driving on the beach and you go
and camp out on the beach and amongst crocodiles. Don't
recommend that. We like woke up on the mouth of
the river, Jardine River, and well we didn't wake up,
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but it was getting to dark, sorry, and there's red
eyes just everywhere. And if you know what a croc
looks like in the dark, it's red eyes.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's an adventure in and of itself. Where you grew
up in Panche, living at Cape York, places where the
Yukon is are this where you can't just run down
the corner store. You can't like if you haven't got
something you haven't done there.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Well that was that and I have a picture it
was we did this little Who's going to catch dinner. First,
I caught dinner first it's fish and.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Then we ate that for dinner. We had a bit
of cocon nuts.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
We did bring stuff, you know, we brought alcohol, and
we brought a feel in your base.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You need to solve it. Yeah, it's not just to
run down the corner store to solve them. So people
fix things, they repair stuff. They whereas we live in
a throwaway society.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
It was hectic that trip because we all had like
we were all getting merry and having heaps of drinks
and the fires going blah blah blah, and then we're
like de said, okay, we're going to go to sleep,
and then Mark the mechanic went missing and we.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Didn't know where he was, and we're like, what are
you going to do?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Like we're not going to look for him at this
time of the night, Like you're not going to find him.
It's it's it's Cape York. You're not doing anything. If
one person's gone missing, you don't want to make it
too So we wake up in the morning and he's
stumbling back and I'm like, we're like, where were you
And he's like he got soap pissed that he went
and fell asleep on the other side of the Bloody
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Bank and he goes, I woke up and there's this croc.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Slides everywhere and we're like, ma, here's a big dude.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
So maybe there were small crocs like they thought that
they could match him.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Oh God, stories to tell. Who drive tour up there
and I always wanted to do that down Army Track
up and then if people have their own full drives,
we do a tagle on tour up there. Because you worked.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Then, I did. Yeah, I worked in a campground there,
and that's the other thing.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
People would come up on their own little adventures and
you hear about their stories when you work at a
campground and yeah, amazing experiences.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
That's real. Yeah, that's a good come up.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
On quad bikes, they do a little quad bike tour
up there.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
And I went through the telegraph track on a quad bike.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
So is it hard?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
It was hard, but when you flip it, it's a
lot easier to get out of it than in a car. Yeah,
we did have someone in a full drive in case anything,
but they yeah, and I was amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
We will sign off on that. I guess it's a
good reminder that the building a bit here as approach
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Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yep. Thanks Dane, have a good week.
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the Building Better Humans Project podcast. It is Monday, which
means it is Mayhem Monday, which.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We have, Yes, it is, we have Mayhem the rock Star. Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Where We're not going to do a Lessons learnt this week,
and the only reason being is we're literally recording this
podcast directly after the last podcast, So if you want
to know lessons learn you have to go back and
watch the last one and ask yourself is Taswegian a word?
And we know it is?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yes. So I've just returned from Ossie ten and I'm
now just about to go on Everest base camp, and
I thought it's a good opportunity to talk adventure. Maybe
even we'll delve into we're just add to me, Maybe
we'll delve a little bit into our youth programs and
whatnot to see where it goes. I thought it's a
good opportunity if you've got any questions around any of
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those adventures, because there are something that really hasn't been
on yet. But also I just want to challenge people
into this idea of using adventure as a personal development tool,
which means wherever you are, there would be somewhere nearby
you that you could go out and climb a local mountain.
Sunshine Coast and west of Brisbane and we have heaps.
But on wherever you are, I don't care if you're
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if you're a Taswegian or whatever part of Australia you're in,
what do they call it, West Australia, just the West
Australia or QUEENSLANDA Taswegian's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Actually in Perth they refer to these stats as over east,
so they'll say, oh, she's gone over east, as if.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We're like y gone to the whole other things.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, she's gone over east.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, the Taswegian's always talking about the mainland.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I'll do that. This is the main land, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So I guess. But then they get to be Tesswegians,
which is pretty good. Yeah, So wherever you are, there
would be somewhere that you could adventure. Like Australia is
a pretty big, like.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
That's beautiful, a like it's stunning.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So I was lucky enough to travel out of a
van for eight months of my life, and I lived
in this van and we traveled most of the.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
East coast of Australia.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's adventure.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, honestly, I highly recommend.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Give us an overview of that experience.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
We went from cans to Melbourne, but then we went
inward a little bit, we came out.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We sort of winged it. It was just we just wherever.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
That was my question.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So you were how old seventeen, eighteen.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Seventy and eighteen and the people with you were both
around the same age.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, and no plan, no plan?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Did you know when you were going to come back?
Did you know?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, the plan, sorry, I will say the plan was
to move over to wa to get mining jobs. But
that didn't happen because this trip kind of fell apart
on the way and then I ended up going back
to Cape York.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Why did it fall apart just because your teenagers and
you were just oh, did your evan get stolen?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well, the van got stolen, so we got we made
it to Melbourne and my sister was living in Melbourne
at the time, and so we were sleeping on our
mattress just in her living room. And then the guy
that I was traveling with, so I was traveling with
two people. One of them went and stayed with somebody
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else around Melbourne area, and then me and Dan went
and stayed with my sister and then he's from a
very small town called Kyogle in New South Wales, and
so he's very small town thinking. So he left the
ka key on the front tire in Melbourne and I
was like, anyway, so every morning we'd wake up at
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my sister's and go into the van, drive down the
road and get a coffee.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So we're trying to do that and then we.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Come out of the van's just not there, and he's
like and I walked out behind him because I like
he'd already gone out to go start the van, and
I was coming behind him and I just see him
like with his hand on his head and he's looking
around and he's freaking out, and he's like.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The van's gone. The van's gone.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And I was like, and keeping in mind, our whole
lives are in this van because we're moving to wa
everything everything. I had a four thousand dollar camera in there,
two guitars.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, had his camera in there. They took like like
all my shoes were in there.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Everything or like this case that I had with basically
my whole identity that could have been taken off me
was in there. It had my British passport. It had
my Populiginnia and passport. I lost it all, my British, my.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Passport, my p G passport.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Birth certificate. Actually there were copies of birth certificate, so
luckily my mom had my original birth certificate, which is
a cardboard thing from p G.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Everything.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Anyway, we phoned the cops and then that day we
were meant to fly to Brisbane for called Bonivert, a
concert an artist Canadian artist called Bonivert. So we were like,
we can't go to Brisbane because the van's gone. But
then we're like, no, we're not missing this concert. So
we flew to Brisbane, did this concert, flew back, and
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then two three days later, the cops phoned us and
they were like, oh, we found ja van.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It's in sunshine.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I still live in Milton, so sometimes pretty rough.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's rough as it was, but.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I was a kidding yeah, So we went. I wasn't
in a taxi or maybe Tina drove us, I don't
even remember, and then stripped everything out of this van.
They took all my shoes, they took our cameras, they
took our guitars, absolutely everything.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
They took my.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Identity devastating as a teenager.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know what I was most mad that was my shoes.
And I was like, and now I look back and
I'm like, he use a shitted shoes.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You're pretty upset, I remember telling me, or not upsets?
You kind of got the ink by the way he responded.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, because he's like, my whole life isn't that. I'm like,
it's my.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Life too, bro Like yeah, he was like almost in tears,
but it was like, just how are you going to
provide and protect for anybody when you're.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Be a bit more stowish. Yeah, well, interestingly for me.
That's so that's adventure, right, Well, what I do is structured.
It's everspace camp, it's Mount kiliman Jo, it's Kakota where
people are getting put into uncomfortable situations. But that's adventure
that a lot of people don't take the time to
do that gap year if you want to call it that,
or seventeen eighty nineteen year olds people think that they've
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got to have their lives sorted out, but just let
them go and travel if that opportunity presents itself and
have some experiences.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Don't like it was amazing. We didn't have much money.
I'd saved up a little bit of money from Cape York,
but that was dwindling.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Did you work when you stopped at places?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We did fruit picking.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
We stayed in a farmhouse in this place, I think
it was called Binanmbra in Victoria. So many places that
we stopped at, tiny little towns. But we'd just be
driving and we'd see like all work is wanted, and
we'd go and stop there and make your hundred bucks
for the day or something like that. That'd get us through.
And it was a lot cheaper back then then. Back then, yeah,
it was pretty good. Fuel didn't cost as much as
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it does now, and everything didn't cost as much. Tiny
little basket stop it anyway, Yeah, started, Yeah, we did.
We stayed at this farmhouse because we went to this
particular town because somebody from Cape York was from that town.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
What was his name, Mark Aviachat.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Because he always used to talk so much, so we
just call him a chat anyway, So we went and
stopped there and his mate owned this farmhouse that he
was getting ready to sell or something. So and then
the front tire of our van something was wrong with it.
So he said, if you clean and stay in the farmhouse.
Number one, you'll have accommodation for a bit instead of
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just staying in the van because it was called for us,
but it was during the summer time for them, so
they didn't care. And then he said, I'll replace all
of the tires. Yes, sweet ass, So we clean up
this whole farmhouse, stayed in this farmhouse.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Then he replaced the tires of the van, and then
off we went like that was just the trip. It
was so good.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
There's a lot to be said for not knowing what's
coming up. So when I run adventures, it's very structured
because we have a safety protocol and you know, there's
a duty of care. But what I don't do is
give people the whole adventure. I give him just twenty
four hours. And then people in today's society want to
know everything.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I noticed that on and I just ain't one of
the trips we did.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, because I tell them I don't do Are we
there yet? I'm going to tell you what's happening of
a nighttime for the next twenty four hours, and that's it.
Because if I tell you what's happening on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
you're not going to remember, or if the itinery changes slightly,
people freak out, whereas what you did there is no
set itinery per se. And if we stop here and
we spend a week here because we're working, we're putting
a bit of money in the bank before we continue on.
(09:04):
That that's adventure. So I try and implement that into
our adventure programs a little bit. Sometimes something will happen,
you know, like a couple of days in and then
I'll give people an easier way or a better way
for that, and they go, what are you doing about
three days ago? Because I kind of want you to
work it out, And sometimes people do work it out,
and some people don't have that capacity because they're not
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used to it. So that's a part of the adventure experience.
But the other side of it, from our point of
view is you will never come on an adventure with
us and not have these sort of conversations, which is
how this Mayhem Monday started. Is really nice to sit
around and say we always still do, but we'd have
amazing conversations pretty deep. We're not really surface level conversation people.
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And then we used to say we should record some
of these, and now some of these we definitely couldn't record.
We think these conversations in general are conversations that not
enough people have or have access to. And so if
you come on adventures, you're surrounded by people.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
You know, you know one thing that I did, so
to cut you off, but one thing that I did
notice while I was on this trip, or any time
I have ever traveled in any capacity, whether it's just
a NUSA for everyone is so happy.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And I get it, you're on holiday, but we did
this eight.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Month long living out of a van, and you'd meet
some people, whether there were an older couple in a
caravan or whatever, or whether there were backpackers.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Everyone is just like happy.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's like a community.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, it is a little subculture.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Like you're sitting around the fire and everyone's talking about
their adventures. And when they're talking about their adventures, like
they're talking about it so positively, like it's just a
happy time in your life that you go out. You
get to go out and you do these things, whether
you're climbing a mountain or even after Kakota, as hard
as it is, people will speak positively about it.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
There's a stoic philosophy that's built around the fact that nothing.
We don't own. Anything, we don't own people, we don't
own even the house, even if you've bought it. Everything
in our life is temporary. Everything in our life, including
our life itself, ends at some point, and so I
have no ownership of my relationship with you. It could
end tomorrow. I don't have full control over that, right.
(11:17):
I might not want it to, but that's what could happen.
And the Soke philosophy is that everything in life therefore
is an experience. So what I'm having with you right now,
but also in our relationship, this is a life experience
that I should hopefully look back on one day, whether
this life experience was two years or thirty years or whatever,
and go, wow, what an amazing experience. But people get
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so guarded into owning things that we forget to have
the experiences of those things. So the jet ski is
not about the thing parking in your front yard. It's
about the time you get to take it out with
the kids or do something. The relationship isn't about saying
I'm in a relationship ole this is my wife. It's
about the moments that you share together, doing cool stuff
and having experiences it's about when something exciting happens, who's
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the first person I want to ring and tell It's you,
and vice versa. Even if we've had a fight, something happens,
I still want to tell you, right, And so that's
when we start to understand the experience is more important.
So if that's true, then collecting experiences because what you
had as a seventeen eighteen year old traveling around Australia,
it's still with you. It doesn't matter how it ended
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or why it ended. There were some good things in
there and some bad things. Getting robbed pretty shitty, but
still the end of the day, it's a cool story
that you've had this experience. I've been in war zones
and seen some really tough things, but also there were
some great experiences when I was over there of watching
people overcome. I was also involved in helping with cleanup
for tsunami for some natural disasters, and you see people
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who lose their whole families and then they're out helping
other people and they're really positive about I'm alive or
you know, and so on. So life is all about
these experiences and that's what eventually gives us. So people, well,
I've had people say to me, why would I go
and spend six thousand dollars to do Kokoto which with
flights and gear, and that's about what you spent. And
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then I could just go for a holiday with my
family to the Sunshine Coast. And you know it's true,
but if friends come around and visit, we're seldom getting
out the photo album or bringing up check out this
me and really, you know, in our swimmers and I
hear's the boys jumping off a water side. Who cares
because but Kakota or every space camp, people go, oh,
this was this wall that we climbed, or this was
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this time I got really scared. Or I had a
couple of people just on Aussie ten that were really
scared of heights, like properly scared of heights. And there's
a couple of points where you get to that are
quite high and we would slide down the snow, which
is as safe as ours is. It's an amazing experience,
but they were so fearful of it. And so when
we came off Cozy, I just I did a video
on this. I just walked and they're followed me and
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we're looking for a point that's not too steep, but
that's steep enough. And they're looking over and I could
see the nerves on a couple of these people. And
then once we got to the point where I felt
it was good, I just went and now they have
no option but to follow me. And they were laughing
about it at the bottom because they all followed and they said,
you just kind of went, and we're like, oh, he's left,
uee it, we have to come. I said, yeah, because
I'm not going.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
To like there's like a rock or something.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
No, like I know how to look for all of
that stuff. Yeah, And it was very thick snow.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Because imagine you're like sliding down. You're just over a rock.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
The worst thing is that there are some overhangs, so
it looks like it's a smooth, but the overhang will
come out and then it'll drop, and I reckon that
would injury your back or something. So that's what I'm
looking for, and then just finding the right spot and
then guiding them down because they don't know what they
don't know. Sometimes there are big rocks in front of you,
but if you know how to move towards them and
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your feed out in front of it's like being in
water use that to push and bounce off. But I'm
not taking them there because they don't have that skill set.
But they followed, and then they and one of them,
Sam said, actually said to me, I don't know if
you know, but I'm deathly scared of heights. So I
can tell. It was very obvious and it's all good.
But I just didn't make an issue about it because
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years ago in the Army, when I first joined in
the early nineties, adventure training. They have an adventure training wing.
An adventure training back them was fishing and a piss up.
And I don't drink and I don't particularly enjoy fishing.
So you go on these camps for two weeks and
that's all everyone would do. It'd be more of a
stress relief. And then the Army got a bit smarter
and said adventure should be about taking people outside their
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comfort zone. So if you're scared of heights, you will
abseil and do stuff. But you're scared of heights, but
you might not be scared of the water soon, But
whereas I might be, I might have no fear of
the height, and I'm not great in the water. So
they try and put each of you in situations where
they know it's safe. They know you're going to be
able to overcome it, but you don't really want to
because people who are scared of heights do not want
to abseil. But what they realize is that there's peer
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group pressure. When all your mates start doing it, you
kind of think, well, I'm sub conscious that I know
it's safe because they're all doing it, So I'm just
going to go because I don't want to be the
one left at the top, and you overcome your fear.
I took a group of people abstating off Kangaroo Point
years ago when I had a gym in Timba. There
was a couple that didn't want to go, but once
they got over it the first time, they're a bit
has it the second time, and after the second time,
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I couldn't stop them. They just kept coming up and
going again and again because all of a sudden they realize, hey,
I can do this thing. And that's what I think
people get out of adventure. That's why when we run
our youth development programs, they have fitness mindset and adventure
in them. So their fitness element is anything of physical
capacity that you have to overcome it doesn't have to
be exercised. And then it can be just carrying all
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of our gear into the campsite, which can be a
couple of keys. We do mindsets, so we talk to
them about why we're doing what we're doing, and then
there has to be an adventure element, whether it's as
simple as climbing a mountain or on one of the properties,
we go out to its sandy creek. When the weather's
right and they've had enough water, there's a creek line
that they can wash in, which is the same as MPNG.
So you know, for a lot of people getting into
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a creek to have your bath for the night in Australia,
that's really out of your comfort zat or weird. But
it's such a cool experience.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And we're my favorite things in the world is.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
And we've done it with groups, you know, with males
and females. Obviously we segregate them. Girls. You go first,
you get thirty minutes, and then the boys will go
down and it's just such a freeing experience that a
lot of people do get to have. Yeah, that's adventure.
Adventure doesn't have to be absotting, it doesn't have to
be climbing Mount Everest. It doesn't even have to be
doing kakoda and stuff. It just has to be putting
yourself in a situation that maybe it's challenging, but also
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that you can overcome that you can have an experience.
How often people talk about kakoda, you know, and for
you coming from P and G, it must be pretty
cool that people have a positive link to the country.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, because a lot of people you step up in
the Guinea and they're like, oh, we're going to die
over there, or people are going to eat us.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Seriously. Yeah, Yeah, it's nice when people have a positive
experience about P and G.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And I think you'll find that most people who go
there and learn a little bit about the country come back.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
There's been one, or actually one person who's openly said
I didn't enjoy New Guinea. Yeah, but I feel like
that was more of a tack on me rather than yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
You need to go to your places and have experience.
You need to be open to those experiences. So I've
had people done adventures, so I'd never do that again,
but I enjoyed it. Well, then we've still achieved our goal.
I've taken on that experience. So i'd love to know
because you've done Kakoda and of course obviously coming from
pump in Li Guinea, i'd love to know your when
we did do a podcast as well, I'd love to
know your experience of the adventure side. Obviously been home
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in your country. Listen being with the boys, speaking language,
singing the national anthem on bage Hill. That's all pretty cool.
But just from the adventure side in.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
General, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's amazing, like what you can do, and you're going
up and you're going down, and as you know, and
I've said many times that downhill was a killer for me,
Like uphill, I could honestly do it for a.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Very long time. I wouldn't say all day.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Was it the knee.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It was the knee, and it was the slippery and
it was the worried about tearing my acl again thing.
But also it's just a down, the down, and then
your neck gets strained because you're looking down the whole
time for hours, just looking down. And I'm not selling it,
but it is amazing also, but walking through the forest,
it reminded me of my childhood. Dad used to love
going for a bushwalk. So he used to take me
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along sometimes and he just used to have a machete
and used to cut the path and we used to
just walk through the bush and we used to go
and do that, and yeah, so it did remind me
of my childhood as well, but it was more so
for me watching other people, especially because I went would
shoot one of my mates from high school, and he
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was not in his comfort zone at all. He's a
very academic guy, and he loves wine, and he loves cars,
and he loves figuring out engineering and that that is
not shoot and so walking in the middle of the
PNG jungle up and down and yeah, he's and rain
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and slippery, But then watching him overcome all of that
and getting it done was pretty amazing to watch. And
listening to people's stories at the end of the night
and things like that.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I love that aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
What amazes me about it is I'm born and bred
in this environment. Obviously, I spent my whole life in
the military, you know, seventeen years. You're an athlete, so
this is stuff, and you're from PG, so this is
stuff that we don't feel uncomfortable doing. And I love
watching people who come out of an office, who forty
fifty year old mums and dads even who maybe haven't
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really had an exercise routine for twenty years, and they
make a decision, I'm going to go to Kakota or people.
I've done a lot of people that are really wealthy
and they live very comfortable lives, and they don't like
they they're five star people, they're not camping people. But
they make a decision to do Kokoda. And now Cokuta
doesn't cat much money. You've got. You know, you're in
a sleep mag you're on the ground, you're in your tent.
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If it rains, it rains. I love that aspect. I
love watching people who I know this isn't comfortable for
them in some level, and yet they just smash it
out of You know, last year we had a couple
of or this year we had a couple of ladies
in their seventies do Kakoda with younger groups and they're
just outpowering up these hills and you think you can
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only hope to still be living life, you know, as
opposed to people that go it looks I'd never do that.
It looks muddy, it looks see, it looks at those
are the experiences you talk about like you're not. I
don't think anyone's pulling out their photo albums of their
holidays where they're just sitting in a resort. Very rarely anyway.
And whereas when you go and have an experience, if
you do kakoda and you meet someone who's I did
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that five years ago, you have the similar stories. Those
sort of hardships link you.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It's such an accomplishment, like it really is.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, and I want merely to do all of these.
But next year we've got the Conwalk Games, which is amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
So I'm going to have this fight November twenty nine
on the GOLDI if you're free, come along, let's go.
And then I'm going to have December off because I
don't want to put too much pressure on myself regarding
training and time away from the children and such and such.
And this is so funny because we've been in camp
back to back for so long. And the other night,
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Friday night, I went out to dinner with really good
friends of mine from Cans Daniel Gunsberg, Gunsy and a
really good friend of mine Stevie.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I didn't say any photos of that, but I just
saw a little bit of Guns. He's head and I'm
not what's happened with the hairstyle.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I roasted him about that. He's actually like my new hair.
I'm like, it looks a bit uneven. He's like, shut up, Millie.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
He's always blonde.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That's just it looked like it was on top of.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Now he's done a little like cut on the side,
mohawk looking thing, and I was like, oh, your heir, and.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
He like tipped it or something because it looked slightly
different colors.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That's his natural hair color. I don't think he's He's
not the type of guy who'll go get die.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
He'll cut it and that's about it.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
He's not anyway. If you want to see an adventure,
go follow Daniel Dan gunns On. His life is a
whole adventure.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That's his job. That's what he does. Amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Anyway, I caught up with them too, and it was
just such a good evening, so many laughs, and they
were just saying how hard it is to catch up
with me and guns you were saying like, when's the
last time I caught up with you know?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I was like I don't even remember.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And he's like he's like saying to Stevie's like the
last time I caught up with her. The only time
that she could catch up with me is if I
came to her sparring.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
So you get to come and watch a training session.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I'm like, bro, I don't have any time to catch
up with you, but do you want to come to spiring?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And he's like yeah, gone.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Then so I picked him up on the way to
Sparring and he came to Spiring and then it was
quite a long ride because we had to go to
Bathania for spiring, but we caught up in the car.
Then he watched Spirring, then we caught up in the
way back. I dropped him off. We went our separate ways.
But why I'm saying that is December will be a
break for me and I'm looking forward to that. And
then January January it'll be calm, games prep and adventure prep.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah. So January February, we're going to relaunch our youth
development programs again. And we talked it as the last episode.
But if you've got eleven to seventeen year olds, and
I don't care where from an Australia people fly kids
into to work with us, we would love to take
them out and start to really relaunch these adventure programs
bro Camp in Ala. The other side of that is
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a lot of people reach out to me say they
want to work with young people and learn to do
this sort of stuff, and I generally ignore them. I
hate to say that I have in the past because
my brain is kind of wired to say, well, if
you've all people I've always wanted to do that my brains,
why an't you doing something? So if you reach out
to me, do something to start off with. But also
I am now we are now more open to training
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some people up because we've got a lot of interest
from from Youth Attention through to the highest end schools
in the state and everyone in between. And I think
all young people deserve this opportunity. You a lot of
people don't want to admit that the kids are having
trouble because I think it reflects on them as a parent.
Not at all. I've had struggles as a parent, You've
had struggles as a parent, We've had We've been struggles
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as children. So it doesn't mean that our families or
that your parenting is not good. We all need freaking
help sometimes.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
And well, this is what we learn in youth care
it's you know, positive factors, risk factors, and everybody's got
both of those things. You might have more risk factors
depending on where you live, depending on your family, lifestyle,
all of the things, so or you might have more
positive factors. So we're trying to add more positive factors
into a child's life rather than risk factors.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
So I love that. The other side of it is
even So. I was talking to a friend a couple
of days ago and he was thinking about not coming
to Kakoda because he's having some problems with one of
his children who's thirteen, and I said, bring him like
and he said he think so, yeah, absolutely bring him.
Thirteen year olds can handle this stuff. You will not
find an avenue to have a better connection with your
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young people than on Kokoda, where you've got eight days
in the jungle where you can't escape each other. And
I say that almost jokingly, like they can't escape you.
But sometimes we as adults are escaping our kids do
because we're so busy at work. And what they really
crave in and they don't know it is time. They
just want time with you and to go out and
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put yourself in a situation where you're a little bit
vulnerable because mums and dads are meant to know all
the answers. And we've talked to this a couple of
podcasts ago and then you get to Adurie Reels. Ah,
they don't, well, put yourself in a vunerable situation where
I'm a bit unsure. I'm forty or fifty, I'm not
sure if I can do Kakoda, and you're taking a thirteen, fourteen,
fifteen year old who is going to kill it because
they're young. It's good for them to see mum or
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dad in a slightly vulnerable situation but willing to take
on life because as adults we say to kids, have
a crack at life, have a go at that thing,
you know, so what if you might fail? And then
we don't do any of those things. So if you're
not sure, youth programs for your kids, but also come
and do something with them, like whether it's Kakoda or
Ossie ten. It's only four days. It's a tough little
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adventure for four days, but it's an adventure. I just
took a sixteen year old Lucius away with us on
that camp.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So quickly though, for those of those people who don't
know what Ossie ten is, can you just give us
a quick rundown.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Ye, Sosie ten peaks is we go down to Mount
Kozosco National Park in the same mountains in Australia and
we do the ten highest peaks in the Kozosco National Park,
so the ten highest peaks in Australia. So they're all
apts or around two thousand meters above sea level. Now
that's nothing compared to an ever space camp that's and
fifty meters, but it's tougher than you think. So over
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two days, the first day we did thirty four k's.
We did six peaks on this last trip and we
did well. I did forty five thousand steps in one day.
There's a lot of steps. I was actually so tired,
but not I'm tried to explain it to you on
our phone, but it wasn't like just a pure physical
tide andess it was just everything. It's a mentally physically
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long day, but also amazing. We got some amazing photos.
As as tired as people were, they were like this
was freaking amazing. They just had the time of their life.
And I had people that had never really adventured before.
I had a couple that had done killing, but most
of them hadn't done much. So then we come back
and we stay in Ginderbyne, and then we go back
out the next day through Threadbow because the first day
we go out through Perisher, second day out through Threadblow
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when they do the last four peaks in the park,
finishing with Mount Coziosco. I didn't tell this, but we
nearly missed the chairlift on the way home. Oh really, yeah,
so the chairlift closed at three forty five. We're just
taking our time. We're having photos and having time and
all that sort of stuff at each of our stops,
and sliding up and down the mountains, you know, just
having a good time. And then all of a sudden
we got the top and we spent probably well I
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facetimed due from Cozy and we spent probably twenty minutes
longer there than we should have. And then all of
a sudden we looked at me went, oh, we're going
to be late to get back for the chairlift, because
the chairlift shuts off at three forty five.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Was to go. If you missed the chairlift, then you've.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Got like a two to three hour downhill walk and
it's heactic I've only ever done it once and it
was terrible, and so we're like, we don't want to mississ.
And then I'm just walking mine of my business on
my own. There's three or four people in front, then
there's a couple of people in front of them or
seeing between me and them. There's a big gap because
sometimes I just slide to be on my own. And behind
me a fair way back is a couple of the
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girls who knew each other. And then all of a sudden,
I here these like fast footsteps coming through the snow.
I'm thinking I must be someone else treking past, but
these two girls and they come up and turned around there.
I said, what's up? They said, do you reckon? We're
gonna make it. I said yeah, and actually so now
we're running like a shuffle, but there's a bit of
a shuffle. And then we got to Lucius and we
said to him we might not make the chairlift. So
then he starts shuffling and he runs up to the
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group at the front and tells them, and then they
start running and we got there after three forty five.
But one of the guys, Gavin, he got there first,
and he said to him, there's like nine of us
coming to any chance you could not turn the chairlift.
And the guy at the top was super chill. But
I've had in the past where people who that that's
the rule.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Is that this is my last one. I'm going home.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
This guy we got to him and his mate was there.
He's made him come up, pick him up because I
were about to turn off the chairlift, and he held
on and held on and we're like running down the
hill and we get to it. It was gonna thank
you so much again, it's all right, I'll get paid
by the hour. Great attitudes. So I'm not going to
dob him in for names for in case three both,
but yeah, that was that was hectic. So and again
like we're pretty fatigued. There was twenty odd k's the
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second day, but you still got a little running you
if that's what it took, you know. And everyone was
a bit sore, a bit tired. But it's a really
amazing experience and ginder Mine is an amazing place and
not many people go and do it. We all hear
about like the Overland Track in Tasmania or not many
people have heard about Izi tent, and it's one that
we actually pioneered years ago because to just walk up
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Mount Cosiosco is a non event. It's kind of like
five k's out on a plank walk five k's back.
It looks amazing, but it's you know that in and
of itself isn't quiet. That's not quite enough of an adventure.
So then we go off the beaten track and it
feels good because on a Saturday and particular, there's all
these people, you know, just going up and back on
this plank walk in jeans and whatever. It's just a
(30:49):
chill sort of walk. And then we start on that
and then all of a sudden we peel left and
go off into the there's no trails out there, and
you see people watching you, going what the hell are
they doing? And when you come back onto the trailer,
everyone's coming back and they're like, what the hell are
you guys doing? And you tell them, Wow, we've done
six peaks in the park and we're doing four today
and of the ten peaks, only three of them are
on the trail. The rest of them you've got a
(31:10):
bush bash for you're going to navigate to. And it
just feels empowering to do something that no one else
is doing and people are asking, what are you guys doing?
That feels pretty good.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
So, yeah, we did that, I'm coming to do it.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Thanks and four days and we're normally starting a Thursday,
finish on a Sunday. There's two days of actual trekking.
So it's just a real if you want to start
short and sharp, it's a fantastic way to start, and
then kakoda is the next way. I just think for
if you want to engage young people in your life.
I've had people bring the adult children in their twenties.
It's still what a great connector for us too, because
(31:44):
as your kids get older, you realize there's less and
less time you get to spend with them. Statistically speaking,
eighty percent of your child's life will be spent with
them from the age of zero to eighteen. So the
next the twenty percent of their life and your life
that you'll spend together is in all the rest of
life because they move away, they go overseas, who knows,
(32:05):
they go and study, they get married, there's all these
things that happen. So if you're in a hurry for
your kids to grow up, which we are. Sometimes it's
sobering to realize that eighty percent of the time you're
going to spend with them in your life, he's going
to be spent from zero to eighteen. So go and
have some experience. Next year for us, we're going to
do this. We want, if the business is doing well enough,
(32:26):
all and training, and we want to take the boys
to p andng definitely because that's their blood and we
want them to go and experience that. But I also
want to have the capacitate them to Africa with us
and to Nepal. I don't know if we'll get all
of those off the ground, but we'll to get least
two done. Because we still do our holidays. We're doing
a Christmas holiday this year on the Gold Coast. We
still do all of that, but we want to take
(32:46):
on things that they look back and they've got a
story to tell and then they go back to school
and they go we went to Africa. People go what
you know, we want like yere America and Disneyland and
all that sort of stuff. But I want them to
have a proper adventure. So yeah, we really want to
encourage people to come and do some of that stuff
and Today's episode was just about for me trying to
explain why I think adventure is the best person development
(33:09):
in the world. And I don't know before we met
how you felt about that, but you've certainly been absorbed
into that world. This is our world now.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
So I've always loved that sort of stuff. You grew
up like that was, and then I lived in Cape
York for ages like the amount of stuff that you know,
you go fall driving on the beach and you go
and camp out on the beach and amongst crocodiles. Don't
recommend that. We like woke up on the mouth of
the river, Jardine River, and well we didn't wake up,
(33:36):
but it was getting to dark, sorry, and there's red
eyes just everywhere. And if you know what a croc
looks like in the dark, it's red eyes.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's an adventure in and of itself. Where you grew
up in Panche, living at Cape York, places where the
Yukon is are this where you can't just run down
the corner store. You can't like if you haven't got
something you haven't done there.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Well that was that and I have a picture it
was we did this little Who's going to catch dinner. First,
I caught dinner first it's fish and.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Then we ate that for dinner. We had a bit
of cocon nuts.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
We did bring stuff, you know, we brought alcohol, and
we brought a feel in your base.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You need to solve it. Yeah, it's not just to
run down the corner store to solve them. So people
fix things, they repair stuff. They whereas we live in
a throwaway society.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
It was hectic that trip because we all had like
we were all getting merry and having heaps of drinks
and the fires going blah blah blah, and then we're
like de said, okay, we're going to go to sleep,
and then Mark the mechanic went missing and we.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Didn't know where he was, and we're like, what are
you going to do?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Like we're not going to look for him at this
time of the night, Like you're not going to find him.
It's it's it's Cape York. You're not doing anything. If
one person's gone missing, you don't want to make it
too So we wake up in the morning and he's
stumbling back and I'm like, we're like, where were you
And he's like he got soap pissed that he went
and fell asleep on the other side of the Bloody
(34:59):
Bank and he goes, I woke up and there's this croc.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Slides everywhere and we're like, ma, here's a big dude.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
So maybe there were small crocs like they thought that
they could match him.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Oh God, stories to tell. Who drive tour up there
and I always wanted to do that down Army Track
up and then if people have their own full drives,
we do a tagle on tour up there. Because you worked.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Then, I did. Yeah, I worked in a campground there,
and that's the other thing.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
People would come up on their own little adventures and
you hear about their stories when you work at a
campground and yeah, amazing experiences.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
That's real. Yeah, that's a good come up.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
On quad bikes, they do a little quad bike tour
up there.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
And I went through the telegraph track on a quad bike.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
So is it hard?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
It was hard, but when you flip it, it's a
lot easier to get out of it than in a car. Yeah,
we did have someone in a full drive in case anything,
but they yeah, and I was amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
We will sign off on that. I guess it's a
good reminder that the building a bit here as approach
is brought to you by Adventure Professionals w W venture
Professionals dot com dot are you or just reach out
to us personally. As I say, we're ramping up youth
development camps and ramping up adventures in twenty twenty six
and beyond, and we would love the opportunity to take
you your young people out somewhere and do something.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yep. Thanks Dane, have a good week.
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