August 12, 2024 • 46 mins
For Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck, entering the Cancelled courtroom together is just another collaboration to add to their long list of projects, so why not one more?
Before "Bennifer" even existed, they starred in a (very wrong) movie called Gigli (yes we've spoken about it before, yes it deserves another moment in Cancelled courtroom). Skip forward twenty years, they've rekindled their love, married and made a few more films, like This Is Me... Now and The Love Story Never Told. Art.
Today, we're investigating that time Ben had a simple thirst for water and ended up in a strip club quenching said thirst. Did he take the wrong turn?
Also, you may have seen the sad Ben phenomenon, but we can't punish him because he doesn't smile much in public, can we? It's time for a risk assessment on their relationship.
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supply Hello and welcome to Cancel, the podcast that looks
(01:24):
at silly celebrity crimes and assigns charges and sentences to
them so that we can all move on with our lives.
I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm joined by Claire Stephens and Claire.
Today we are not talking about a single celebrity. No, no, no,
which I mean we always say like this is like
we cancel celebrities. I mean, we recently did the Olympics,
so we're not very good with our own criteria. But
(01:46):
can we have boundaries we just don't operate within. No,
we're looking at the greatest love story never told, even
though I'd argue that it's been told more than any
other love story. Correct, We're talking about a relationship that
began with jigglely or gigly and ended maybe with this
is me. Now, we are talking about a union that
(02:08):
was first established twenty two years ago, before Jojo Siwa
was even born. We're talking about benefit.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Who used to seeing me around the house kind of
schleppy and kind of you know, and sweatpants and my strange.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Socks and thinking. I'm not saying I'm not pretty.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm saying you used to seeing me kind of like
the little old lady at home.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You're gorgeous, and we tell you something.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Every relationship there's a bull and a cow.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I'm the ball, you're the cow.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Got that?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I got a oh gosh what. Honestly, it cuts through
so many generations. It does because they have always and
they have never oh you know, yeah, for so long
they weren't yes, but once they were, and then they
were again again, and then maybe they weren't. And they're
also just such an interesting example of like, will you
(03:08):
get back with the should you? Should you? Jen? Jen,
You've had three marriages in between. She has been married
four times. She made a movie about it, in a documentary.
So this is about Betafer if you don't know, that's
about one Jennifer Lopez aka Jenny from the Block AKA.
We have done an episode on her. You'll find that
(03:29):
in the back catalog or in the show notes. Jennifer Lopez.
If you go hide, you can get then We've got
Ben Affleck sad Ben Dragon tattoo, Ben ugly tattoo.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Ben.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Best part of my idea is for about ten seconds
from when I pull up to the curb when I
get to your door, because I think maybe i'll get
up there and i'll knock on the door and you
won't be there. We have also done an episode on
Ben Affleck a lot of fun. But my structure for
today is as follows, Benefer, the first time, Benefer, the
second time, the wedding, this is Me now, divorce rumors.
(04:09):
If you're wondering about the pause, it's because of the ellipses,
which I think indicates because you know, her first album
was this is Me Then? No, I didn't know that. Yes,
it makes a lot more sense. That's why she now
has this is Me Now, Yes Me now? So benefit
the first time. Jen and Ben famously met on the
(04:33):
set of Giggly Giggly. I think it's jilly. I think
it's like I think it is too a romantic comedy
crime movie that a wise person once said was too
many genres. That was us, I said that. Do you
just for anybody who hasn't recently listened to the Jen
and or Ben episodes, you want to just give just
a short summary of what the film is about. Yeah,
(04:56):
so Ricky is Jlo is lesbian but not really, that's trick.
And then they have to cut off a thumb, but
the wrong thumb, and then they get in trouble, so
they're gonna get killed, but then they don't because they
talk their way out of it, and then they fall
in love even though Ricky is a lesbian. But Ricky's
not a lesbian anymore because she met Giggly. Giggly is
(05:17):
that his name Affleck? I don't know. I haven't seen
the film. I simply watched the trailer and I've never
seen anything more confusing and shocking in my life.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It means you're not my type.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Good night, And it's just a reminder that I think
when it comes to sexuality, like she just hadn't found
the right dick yet. Right, Yeah, that's exactly it. It's
the moral of the story fucked up? How could you
make that? Well? Speaking of how could you make that?
Martin Breast, It is widely considered to be one of
the worst movies of all time, and the director Breast,
(05:54):
that's his name, Come on now, at the time was
well known and well regarded. He never directed a film again.
He literally made a statement that once Giggly happened, he
knew he'd never be invited back to make more films.
He was like, I had a good run, but now
it's time for me to disappear. Do you think famous
people like the Jen and Ben's feel bad? I think
(06:17):
they leave in their wake a trail of broken director
creatations because, for reasons that they don't know, they agreed
to be on a project that they shouldn't have. And
Jen recovers, Ben recovers Martin breast He's like, I'm never
going to Remembin. Meanwhile, Jen and Ben are going jiggly.
(06:38):
Is the beginning of the greatest love story never told?
And Martin's like, from my perspective, that was Korea ending.
We told it. We told a love story on screen.
Was it a great one? Absolutely? It was homophobic. It
went to cinemas in the US, and then after three
weeks they just straight up stopped showing it because it
(06:59):
was upsetting people. I think they thought it was quite good.
To this day, I think they're like, what's the big problem.
It's like, go ask Martin. He's been redundant for twenty
two years. Go watch it, watch it, Go watch it
with some friends who are going to be honest with you.
After the filming wrapped in March two thousand and two,
Ben reportedly spent eighteen thousand dollars on a set of
(07:21):
advertisements to express how much he loved working with Jen.
Do you remember this yes. At the time she was
married to her husband Chris Judd, no relation to Chris Judd,
Bet Judd's husband. Yeah, yeah, yeah, as far as we know. Yeah,
she's got a thing of marrying people who have names
that other people have. For example, Mark Antony. I think
(07:42):
his name's Mark Anthony. Well, I don't know. Is he
the historical figure? No, but we'll get to here. Okay.
The ad that he took out in the paper, it read,
in part, you have shown kindness, dedication, diligence, humility, graciousness
of spirit, beauty and courage, great empathy, astonishing talent, real poise,
and true grace. It has been nothing but an honor
(08:04):
and a pleasure to work with you. I only wish
I were lucky enough to be in all your movies
with love and respecting gratitude, Ben Flick. And where did
you put that the paper? Okay? He could have just
told her that. You know how, sometimes you work with
someone and then you do a farewell card and you
just write a little message. Yeah, well that's what Yeah, yeah,
we just wanted to take out a paper in the
(08:25):
pap put it in the paper. This is the shit
I've been begging for on my birthday card from my
partner for seven or eight years. I would like to
be described as having beauty in courage. Claire, what does
beauty and courage mean? Okay, your courage is beautiful. Your
(08:46):
courage to be in Jigli, your courage to be Ricky
a turned lesbian. Okay, okay, no, no, you courageously make terrible decisions,
but you're still beautiful while doing it. Love that just
on Ben and his love letters, So I guess that's
when it started, but we'll touch on it later. That
he continued to write her love letters, and then on
(09:06):
the set of This Is Me Now, he got any
name and it was Penn Affleck. Honestly, they're just stand ups,
aren't made comedians. They both maintained that there was no
crossover with Jen's marriage, but it did end in mid
two thousand and two, and four seconds later, she was
(09:27):
pictured with Ben, who was taken by her graciousness of spirit.
Jen then released Jenny from the block. Ben appears in
the film clip kissing her on the bottom. They're both
wearing sunglasses, pretending to hide from the paparazzi. But it's like,
this is your music video, Yes you may and you're
(09:50):
running and you're being like, don't follow us, don't follow us.
Here I am, I'm Jen, And it reminded me of
I was in the airport recently and I saw someone
who was in all black, sunglasses on, cap, all of
these things, and I want, well, you're clearly fucking famous.
You're sign posting to me the famous. So I stared
at her NonStop for forty five minutes. Did discover that
(10:11):
she was a little bit famous. But I thought I
wouldn't have looked twice if you didn't have your baseball
cap on. Yeah, if you there's sunglasses on, and like
the all black and ensemble, just dress like a homeless
person like everyone else. Nobody else is wearing crisp, clean
black attire. After three months of dating, Ben was so
taken by Jen's true grace that he proposed with a
(10:34):
one point two million dollar diamond drink. That's so good.
All I'll say is you'd want to be sure. Later
that month, they started filming another movie together called Jersey Girl,
and Jen released her album This Is Me then, and
she said that Ben is her life and soul inspiration
for every lyric. Wow, there's a song a really cryptic
(10:56):
one I had to go through with a fine tooth comb.
It's called Dear Ben. Oh, I just cance trau myself.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I can't be with no.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And I would like you to do a dramatic reading
of some of the lyrics that I have printed out
right here from lyrics dot com. I would love nothing more. Okay,
this is from Gen Tibet. Does Gen write her own songs?
That's the thing I don't think so. I think that
what she does is talk about Ben. And then someone
writes the song about Ben okay, and they're like, maybe
we could call it like dear Lover, and she's like, no,
(11:27):
his name's Ben. I love you. You're perfect, a manifestation
of my dreams. You make my body feel about a
million different things. I think God made you for me,
a mix of passionate fidelities. Not right, we've all written
and like that. What does she have to rhyme when
(11:48):
she did fidelities to have to rhyme with something me me? So,
for example, I have a heart and you are the
key of You might have been better than fidelities. Yeah, baby,
you're so complete. I write this song to let you
know that you will always be to me, my last,
my love, my man, my child, a friend, child's interesting,
(12:11):
my king. Now I don't like when people call their
partner their king or their queen or their child. The
child thing was really interesting. It throws me. I think
she was missing. There was a beat and she had
no word and she went, ah child, Yeah, and the
person writing it went, that's odd, Jen, and she said
it's perfect for my song. Did Ben Claire, I don't
(12:35):
know what to tell you. She loves Ben. In July
two thousand and three, that's about a year since they
started dating, they did their first NBC primetime interview. It's
forty one minutes of them talking about their relationship. There's
at least two minutes dedicated to Ben saying that he
does not like doing the dishes.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
It's not my favorite thing in the world to do.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
So now I'm happy I don't have to do them.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I do do them. Ch Ah lovely riveting stuff. J
Loo is making chicken, just frying it, okay in case
you wondering. And he comes in and says, is that
fish or is it chicken? And then she says it's chicken.
And then they're like, oh, we're always frying stuff. Chicken
beef pork, and I'm like, a fuck me, why am
I watching this? It's not interesting. It's I think they
(13:21):
think that because they're them, anything they do is interesting. Yeah,
and because everyone follows them around. But it's like, I
don't need to be in on this joke where Ben's like,
I don't mind doing the dishes, and she's like, you've
never done the dishes, and it's like, in fairness, you've
been together for two weeks. Also, I don't think either
of you do the dishes, which is fine. I was
surprised she was frying, you have stuff. I think that
(13:45):
Ben and Jen when they're alone, they just sit together
and intensely look into each other's eyes and tell each
other how hot they are, which is actually fair and
valid and true. Yeah, yeah, is Ben is just like
your face and she's like, mmm, I think you're alone
intensely and kind of gyrate, and then she does this thing.
She has a dance move where she kind of caresses
her own neck. She does a lot of that. But
(14:07):
a few weeks later a story was published that claims
that on the night the Dateline interview aired, afflic had
visited a strip club and had sex with not one
but two women. Can you remember what his excuse was? Okay,
I'm making this up and I'm definitely wrong. He wanted
a glass. He wanted a glass of water, so he
(14:28):
ended up in a strip club. Yeah, and some conversation.
I hate when I'm thirsty and I'm driving and I
go I just want to drink of water. And then
I go to a strip club and I fall into
a vachina, two of them. A woman came out and
said she slept with Affleck that night, and then his
rapes came out and said, no, no, no, there's been
some confusion because all afflic did at the strip club
(14:50):
that night was have some H two O, which is
good for you. Yeah, and some lovely conversations. The man
was parked. Oh we honestly denying a man a glass
water in a strip club club, some lovely entertainment around,
(15:10):
but some music, some dancing. He likes dancing. He was thinking,
you know who'd like this, Jen, she loves some dancing.
He wanted someone to talk to. Who is he meant
to talk to j Lo? No, she wasn't there. Matt
Damien had lied. No, his mom. No, he needed to
talk to his friends. The stupers. Okay, they ended up
(15:34):
postponing their wedding because of media attention and eventually broke
up because of media attention or because he's love with
you other people You'll never know, We don't know. They
always spoke of each other very highly. Ben commended Jalo
on her great talent, and Jalo always said they broke
up because of all the media attention. That was their story.
They stuck to her. No one is a bigger fan
of Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck. I think he's simply
(15:57):
a fan. I think he might just be a fan. Actually,
I don't think he's a boyfriend. I don't think he's
a husband. He's She's fine. We don't are fans, no benefit.
(16:18):
The second time, Affleck would go on to marry Jennifer Ganner,
who was the most different woman to Jennifer Lopez that
I personally know, but she has the same Firth name
and they have three kids, and Jlo would go on
to marry Mark Anthony and have twins. Interestingly, Jlo collaborated
on music and performed with Mark, as well as co
(16:40):
starring in a movie with him called El Cantante, which
was a biopic in two thousand and six, Madison Square Garden.
He filled that police up like that like he had
it all. He had everything, and you have me. Can
you move your ass so that I can see her?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Ask?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Please this one? You could touch this one? You can?
How was that success wise him? Why do you can't
bringing it up because it was ward winning or because
there's a bit of fun to be bad? The Evening
Standard wrote in a review the film and I quote,
did not go down well at the box office, and
(17:19):
neither Lopez nor Anthony knew anything about salsa, which is
what the film was about. It has a twenty five
percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes. You know who I think
went and saw it, Ben, I think first opportunity, Ben,
front seat, popcorn and a slurpy and he stood up
at the end. He did what a performance. So while
(17:43):
that had twenty five percent, Jiggly Giggly really has six
percent on Rotten Tomatoes, So actually twenty five percent isn't
bad anyway. Anthony and Lopez officially divorced in twenty fourteen,
while Affleck and Ghana officially divorced in twenty eighteen. So
now what we've got is a single Ben and a
single gen not really because Jen was with the young guy.
(18:05):
The younger like a backup, backup down, and then Ben
was on Raia trying to like slide into dms and
people were sharing sad messages. You know, I leave the
man alone to be on his apps.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Why did you unmatch me?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
It's me let him be on his apps. And he
was in a moment where we've all been in this moment,
but we've also all seen men in this moment where
they start texting everyone because he's life. Yes, I have
my friends the strippers, but I need my other friends,
such as my exes. So he did start reaching out.
(18:44):
He probably reached out to Jennifer Ghannah and she said,
I'm the mother of his children where divorced j Lo.
Great performance in Elkompunbe. Actually just to be fan of
everything you've been doing lately. In May twenty twenty one,
nearly twenty years since they first got together, they were photographed.
(19:06):
They were then photographed at Lopez's rental home in Miami,
and Ben was wearing a watch that Jalo had given
him back in two thousand and two. If I were
Jennifer Ghana, I'd be pissed. I'd be like, why didn't
we throw that out? Where have you been keep them
a watch mate? Mm hmm, it ain't right you kept
that in your box. And then a few things happened.
(19:27):
The first is that a bunch of pictures appeared of
them kissing and not not dry humping. All I'll say
is that they are at No Boo. I know nothing
about anything, but I know No Boo, fancy restaurant where
you go to get photo where you're going to get photographed,
And I'm sure a state costs like four hundred dollars.
(19:47):
And if I were trying to be discreet about my
new relationship, I wouldn't be humping at Noboo. But that's fine.
They were ready for people to know. They later confirmed
the relationship and started appearing on red carpets together. On
Valentine's Day, Affleck directed and gifted Lopez a remix of
her song on My Way. And if I were their therapist,
(20:09):
which I'm not, I would say less working together. I
would say to j Loo, Actually, you don't need to
star in a film with your husband. It's a specific
issue if most of us don't need to work. No,
but you can love someone and not make a film. Yeah,
or write a song, collaborate together on a project. You
(20:30):
can do those separately, Claire, I would like to show
you this, so just for context, Ben gives this to
Jen on Valentine's Day and then Jen shares it. No newsletter,
you know that newsletter below down or whatever? Yeah, I
think I subscribe, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's like, did
Ben say you could share that?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I always knew you, even when not did know? You
don't make sense, but it do. I was on my lady,
you felt heavy, like.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Hell, Heaven sent me through pause. I moved, give me,
I moved. I think you can tell. He's an award
winning film man, Claire. It's terrible and it looks like
he made it in that terrible like video editor that
we all used in like year ten. Yeah, we had
(21:33):
it on our laptops. Then in all the images of him,
which don't make any sense, are completely out of context.
He's always smoking and looking sad, and he's made it
black and white and grainy. Yes, he's definitely used. And
then he just puts man date yet. But Matt's like,
don't drag me into this shit. Why do I feel things? Huh?
(21:53):
Because it's lovely, it's not lovely. Yeah, it's quite beautiful.
Jim Ghana and him were together for seven and we're
singing a song about being on our yellow brick road
that was always leading, that was always leading back to you.
And you've done this weird as shit remix video where
(22:14):
you've like redone her video clip with also like clips
from Jenny from the Block ye, and there's some well
she's standing like on a city. It's very j low,
very very j Lo. In twenty twenty two, Lopez announced
that they're engaged again, twenty years after the first time.
In July, they filed their marriage license in Vegas and
(22:35):
everyone was like, how low key they have changed. They
have learned, they have evolved. Good for you, because it's
like Jennifer Lopez needs to learn there's an inverse relationship
between how much you spend on your wedding and the
fuss that you make and how long that marriage lasts. Yeah,
and last time, why did their relationship end because of
the media, media attention. So I've just got to be
(22:56):
a bit more lokay. Ben doesn't like it, he doesn't
like the fuss. Jess. I've just got something to add,
which is, do you remember the Grammys last year, Ben
and Jen sitting in the audience, and Ben just generally
does look happy to be so many having a shit
so many. I think this might have been off the
back of the honeymoon that he didn't really Yeah, he
(23:17):
just wasn't having a great time and he was I'd
rather be at home under the Eiffel Tower and now
I'm at the Grammys. You don't want to have a
little tif for the Grammys. And there's this footage of
Trevor Noah sitting beside them, and Trevoroah is a friend
of the family. Yeah, we'll touch on Trevor a little
bit later, but he is sitting there, and just to
the right of him, you can see Ben and Jen
(23:37):
arguing that she is having a stern word to him.
She's kind of like pointing her finger at his chest
and he is looking cranky, and lip readers have said
that she was saying, cheer up and look more motivated.
Sad Ben is bringing down the fire, yeah, because that's
the thing that camera pans. Everyone's looking excited and clapping
and Ben, Ben doesn't want to be look like a
(23:59):
rain cloud, and Jen like this is one of the
greatest nights of the Year. I look stunning. Look at
my skin, look at my hair, look at my dress.
I've got old dressed up and you can't even do
a little smile for the camera. Totally get that. I
actually don't think that that is necessarily an indication that
they were in trouble at that point, because we've all
(24:21):
done it. We've all turned to our partner and said, Okay,
I need you to bring more. Yeah, I know we're
in a shit situation with my family right now and
there being insufferable, but I'm going to need you to
suck it up. Yep. Sometimes we turn to each other
and we say lift, I need you to lift energetically. Yeah,
and that's what That's what Jenn was saying, man sign
of a healthy relationship at the Grammys. Lyft. So they
(24:43):
get married in Vegas and I remember being like, honestly
never thought she was like, this is just an old dress,
and like I was like, yeah, you're still sharing it,
but good on you. Benefit have not changed after all,
Claire the wedding. The wedding took place at Afflex eighty
seven acre compound in Georgia. There was a rehearsal. J
Loo wore a gold frock. There was a horse with
(25:05):
pink flowers in its mate. She wore three Ralph Lauren gowns.
There is a drama image of j Loo in a
gown on a swing surrounded by chandeliers. Most of the
photos I've seen do not feature or allude to Ben,
and I do not mind. She wore more than two
million dollars worth of diamonds and pearls. Jay Shetty officiated
the ceremony. There were fireworks, there was a post wedding
(25:28):
Sunday brunch. I saw photos, and there were donuts. What
an event. It is believed that the wedding cost them
half a million Australian dollars. Then they went on their honeymoon,
and that's when sad Ben emerged. Claire, please explain sad Ben. Okay.
The thing about Ben is that sometimes he's photographed and
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the spirit has left his soul, and in his eyes
there is only emptiness and hollowness and an existential thread,
and it scenes that all the weight of living has
fallen upon his shoulders. The weight of the universe is
sitting on his slumped shoulders as he has a Starbucks
coffee and aigarette and he's just like and I just
(26:12):
I love Jennifer Lopez. I don't think she has that
same emotional experience. I think she's quite a happy lady.
I think she's upbeat. I think she's like where in France? Ben?
And Ben's like, it doesn't matter where I am as
a Sylvia Placid, I'm stewing in my own sour air.
Is how Ben is? Yeah, he's just dark cloud, dark
(26:33):
cloud Ben. The images that went viral of Ben Aras
follows Ben asleep on a boat, Ben looking sad on
river cruise, Ben crying in a restaurant. Did the Eiffel Tower?
I should go up? But it was just under the
Eifel Tower, Ben looking exasperated Claire, who was very sad.
Ben on his euro summer. Now, no one deserves to
(26:55):
be stalked by paparazzi. I truly believe that, and you
can see how distressed it makes them both. But I reckon.
At this point, Ben is regretting the film clip he
made j Lo where he basically did a slide show
and then she said it to all her followers. Yes,
and also the wedding and then also such a flashy
honeymoon being fla. I think there are a place that
(27:17):
you could have gone. Yeah less and then they recreated the.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Thing on her bottom and I'm like, guys, we've been
here before, twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
This is me now. I don't know how to tell
you what this is about. I watched it this morning.
I had it on in the background. I had it on.
Luna was just crawling around. I was trying to watch it.
It's the first film she's ever been exposed to. And
she stopped and said, what is this? What the fuck
is this? Make it end? I was like, honey, I
(27:59):
don't know. It's a visual album, but it has like
a script source a musical, and there's a wedding and
too many famous people are in it. And there is
a line that she wrote because she wrote this that
says she's smart, she's beautiful. Why does she always need
to be with someone? Which I respect Jen Jen. I
(28:21):
watched it, and in terms of the celebrity cameos, I
was like, this is so interesting because it's an insight
into who can't say no exactly because everyone was asked.
Everyone Rizzo said no, I can't do that. If I
was a Hollywood person, would I have been in it
absolutely absolutely, you never know I was there the idea
of hurting Jen's feelings when she seems like a sweet person. Okay,
(28:45):
So there's This is Me Now, and there's also The
Greatest Love Story Never Told, which is a documentary about
This is Me Now. So in The Greatest s Story
Never Told, we learn that she did ask a lot
of celebrities and she got really upset when they said no,
and then they were like, oh, so and so says
that they're at a wedding, and she's like call them,
like she's just forcing them to be in her movie.
(29:06):
And then she's like, it's because they don't like the script,
and then she gets very well. In one scene, the
casting director says to her, we sent out all the
offers last night to everybody. We're waiting to hear back
from a few people. And then a voice off camera says,
Taylor Swift is a no. Jason Momoa is not available,
Jennifer Coolidge not available, Lizo not available. Then someone asks
(29:29):
Jlo if she wants Vanessa Hudgens by the way, and
she responds for what, same fabe for another person says
she's not available. At another point, Jennifer says it'd be
good to get Bad Bunny to do a little cameo
as the bad kid, and she's then told Ariana Grande
(29:49):
is unavailable. She's in London until September, and when they're
talking about her famous friends being busy, she says, I
don't want to force anybody to do this. Who doesn't
go this is going to be fun. Nobody wants to
say no to me. I get that. But when an
actor doesn't like a script, or doesn't think it's good enough,
or is worried about it, that's what they'll say. I
(30:10):
know that I've done it, so don't push them, don't
put it a mate. When they say no to your script,
don't want to be in your film. Well, the other
thing she says, because apparently Chloe Kardashian was supposed to
make a cameo and it didn't happen, And she says
people are scared to put themselves out there. I get it,
(30:30):
took me a long time. I'm scared, and I don't
think that's it. Then I'm talking about Taylor Swift. She's
put herself out there plenty. Taylor Swift scared of the
power of the platform. Jaylo would offer her. Honestly, it
gives me a lot of respect, like knowing that somebody
like Lizzo got a call and then said, ah, let
me know what I respect is that a call was
(30:53):
made to listen. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I respect because
just for some context, she writes this album this is
Me Now, and it was about because this is Me
Then was written when she was first with men, and
she only writes albums when she's with Ben. She didn't
write an album in like twenty years. Anyway, she writes
this is Me Now. She's like, Okay, yep, I want
to tell this story. I'm going to make it like
this movie visual album. And some distributor is like, yeah, yeah, cool,
(31:16):
we'll give you some money. And then they pull it
and they're like actually I think they saw the script,
but they were like, this doesn't make us any money,
like Beyonce sing didn't make us money. This isn't a
good business. Move fast. And then she realizes that she's
got to fund it. But that's not the answer. I
would just pull. I would just pull. Sometimes we're told
(31:36):
no because the answer is no. So it's a three
part multimedia project. What is that twenty million dollars of
her own money, and the description says it examines and
plays with her life as a serial romantic. And she
says it's a twenty year project. But we can't say
it's twenty year project just because we don't do anything
(31:57):
else for twenty years. Yeah, well we relatable. Neil de
grass Tyson is a literal astrophysicist. He writes books about
traveling to space. He has a species of named after him.
Why is he in Jalo's movie? Could have done so
much science. We are so diacal, council, but the stars
(32:18):
hold all the power. When she did the greatest love
story never told? Except all she does is tell her
she wanted to tell the story in all mediums immediately
available to her. Yes. Right. At one point she brings
this book in that Ben gifted her, which has all
their emails from two thousand and two, and they interview
someone who's like, we were allowed to touch the letters.
(32:40):
I don't believe it, And it's like, is Jlo making
this film too? And did she make you say that?
And these people think they are touching a diary of
great hist roles signific Winston Churchhill and not a printed
out email from Ben, You've been showing all the musicians
(33:03):
all these letters that are and they were like, yeah,
we call you Penaflak. And she exclaims, I don't expect
anyone to get this, like why are you making it?
Because she wants people to believe in love. She says,
don't you see my favorite scene? She has to leave
the set and everyone's chasing her, asking questions because she's
(33:24):
the boss, and she's just like, it's very Jenny from
the block, like oh, I'm so overwhelmed. And she's getting
in a car that's like actually a track it's and
it's very like, oh my gosh, this project is huge,
and it's like, you solely are responsible to this. You
can pull the plug at any point, an you can go.
This is too much. She's like I have to go,
and I'm like, where Jen? This is your project, your
(33:45):
only project, except for the documentary you're making about this project.
But someone is filming that documentary now because I'm watching
the greatest love story Never told. Okay, then there's another
documentary I found called Ben and Jen Never Say Never Ah,
which is confusing because Justin Bieber's documentary is called Never
Say Never. The timeline reads like a soap opera, two
(34:08):
decades filled with hot romance, heartbreak, multiple marriages, broken engagements,
and five children between them. The love story of pop
icon Jennifer Lopez and movie star Ben Affleck began with
a movie set meeting in two thousand and two, which
waived its way to the altar twenty years later, share
the Secrets of Pink Diamonds, of Racy Yacht Video and
Bubble Bath Proposal. So this is the third Like, these
(34:31):
two people have been together for like a combined eleven
months over two engagements, and I have to watch three
movies about the mon Amazon pri one album and one album,
two albums. It's hard because with the greatest love story,
I never told there aren't any steakes because it's just
(34:51):
Jen's money and she's making a documentary and I'm like,
whether you lose it all or you don't, you're still
Jennifer Lopez and you're with Ben Affleck. So I'm not
not rooting for you. I just don't think you've got
much to lose, Yeah, she says. At one point in
the documentary about the movie, she says, I have good intentions.
I just don't want it to suck and that's all
of us with pursuit so well, but it does. And
(35:14):
then Ben says, that's just inexperience. You haven't done this
before because he has made films and he's like his
disinesce and oh nah, he was like, no, it's great, babe,
it's really good. Divorce rumors. A few months after The
Greatest Love Story Never Told and This Is Me Now
was released, rumors emerged that Ben and Jen were separating,
(35:35):
which sucks in terms of timing. I'm going to give
you a bit of a timeline about what has happened
in the last honestly, like four or five months. It's
May sixth, twenty twenty four. Jalo is at the met Gala.
No Ben insight to that. I say Ben had hate
the Metgala? Is it that unusual that he is not there?
(35:56):
May twelve, her and Ben do not spend Mother's Day together.
May fourteen, j Loo is house hunting without Ben. May fifteen,
there are reports that Ben has moved out. May sixteen,
Ben pictured leaving his new residence where he's living alone.
But he's wearing his wedding ring. Okay. J Lo then
(36:17):
likes a post on Instagram Claire, I would like you
to just give listeners a gist of the post that
Jennifer Lopez liked on May the sixteenth, from her account. Ah,
you cannot build a healthy relationship with someone who lacks
integrity and emotional safety, doesn't respect your time, doesn't think
(36:40):
it's important to call, slash text back in a respectable time.
Friend texting her lacks effective communication skills. He's talking to
his friends, doesn't strippers who they are or what they want.
Devil's advocate. Maybe she's talk about one of our other husbands. No,
she could be talking no current husband. Well, it's funny
(37:01):
you say that, though, because I think A few days later,
they're photographed together at a school play of one of
the children wearing their wedding rings. We go. Things get weirder.
Two days after that, they're spotted in a car together
and then Ben's phone starts ringing and his screen is
visible to the paps. Have you heard this? I've seen
the picture and it reads Jennifer affleck. But she's right
(37:27):
there to Gleitch in the matrix. I don't understand. Oh,
that is weird. That is weird.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I saw memes about it, but I didn't see the
original it's Jennifer. Jenny's right there. The rumors ramp up,
with sources telling people Ben hates all attention and it
makes him very uncomfortable. Jennifer has always had a different approach.
I don't appreciate the blaming Jennifer. No, not one beer.
He knew who she was. She has never changed. This
(37:55):
is me, then, this is me now, this have always
been later, she's clear a journalist. Then asks Jen outright,
if they're separated, love that journalist me too. Take him
on for the team doing Godswick says, you know better
than that. Then they're holding hands. She's hot broke. Then
(38:17):
Lopez announced that she would not be doing her summer
tour as planned. Pictures of visits me now toa she's
not doing it just that's like a huge part of
promoting her three part twenty millions of pundage project. Well,
she's not doing it because she has to spend time
with her family on and she's sorry by the time
(38:38):
she tours that it's not even going to be her
now anymore. It's going to be her band again. Then
they put their sixty million dollar house on the market.
In June, Ben is on Kevin Hart's podcast and basically
says he hates all the attention.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I'm also a little bit shy.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I also like a lot of attention. Is why people
see me and they're like, let's do it? Always mad
because somebody has their cameras thinking in my face and
you have reste you know, I have resting hard fist,
He says. Paparazzi can take pictures of him, he doesn't
give a fuck if they're taking pictures of Jen, not
his kids. Then he takes his wedding ring off and
then the next day is back. On July twenty, Lopez
(39:17):
has a Bridgitton themed birthday party. I having brackets fun
and Ben doesn't come. That would slap. The only thing
I will say about the Bridgeton themed birthday party was
it girls only? Ah? It feels like a gal's event. Well,
Ben wasn't there. I don't think you'd like dressing up.
But July twenty seven, Ben Affleck goes rogue and purchases
(39:39):
a five bedroom home in LA for cheeky twenty mil.
My question is, why do you need a home if
you already have a home with j Lo Claire. Any
minute now, we will have an announcement that Ben and
Jen are over gupych Finn Benito Non. It's too sad
because it's the greatest love story that has been told
(40:01):
over and over and over again. And the issue, you know,
how like when you break up, like there are so
many photos and momentos and stuff. It's like she created them.
It's like you'd go and watch that film, clear that
Ben made you. She created twenty million dollars worth relationship
content momentums, twenty million dollars was only this is me now.
(40:23):
It wasn't the greatest love story I never told, and
I don't know if I had anything to do with
Ben and Jen. Never say never, Oh Claire, it is
time for charges and sentences. I'm gonna go first. My
charge charges are dop points because there are multiple intensity
(40:46):
counting eggs before they have hatched, tempting fate, making two
movies about your new husband, and making Jane fonderby in it. Okay,
what I will say about your framing of this and
potentially our framing of the waste. It's been very gen focused,
wasting Neil deGrasse Tyson's time. I think Jenny is so
(41:10):
titled to make her art. I think he's just so
entitled to make her art. But I just think that
Neil over here could be discovering another planet and instead
he's Gemini or Sagittarius or something. He must know astrology
is bullshit, he does. I'm pretty sure he says it
in the documentary about the film making a movie visual
album about your life while also making a documentary about
(41:32):
the movie visual album about your life, And is this inception?
We didn't necessarily want to be emotionally invested in your relationship,
but then you made multiple I repeat multiple films about it,
and now we want to know if you guys are okay, yes, yes,
So what's your sentence? I don't want them to be over,
(41:54):
but I think they're over me too, And in that way,
I think the worst thing that could have happened to
them both has happened. No, I do, so why would
I punish them? Ah? Well, Bennifer is no longer, oh Darling, Okay, Well,
my charge is similar to yours. It is content inception,
(42:15):
content about content about content. Yeah, greatest love story never told?
I would argue that it's been told. Yeah, my sentence, if
you're going to make the greatest love story never told
about your romance and then now it looks like that
romance has ended. I need to know. I need the
Greatest love Story Never Told? BTS. Oh my god, you
(42:36):
need more content and sectional content. You create the world
of the dream. We bring the subject into that dream
and they feel it. They're subconscious and Jen. What Jen's
doing is she's releasing a lot of polished content. We've
got a lot of like professional video clip. What I
need is the candid moments where she's like, it's not working.
(42:58):
I'm worried that the Great sub Story Never Told was contrived,
that it was a documentary about a film, but that
was also had a like editorial spin. And what I
want is like, as you say, like a behind the scenes,
dirty grimy iPhone camera where we get the can we
do another take? I'm being more interested. I want the
(43:20):
guy who made the poshen Becks documentary. I want him
to do a Jen and Ben Tocco and actually reveal
some really interesting stuff about their dynamic. Yeah, that's what
I need. I need more content. Do you think they're done?
I think that maybe they are done. And it's so
sad because it was such a long game. It was
a long game and even on the YouTube video like
(43:41):
where he made the film clip. Everyone was really supportive
and encouraged, and they felt like it did mean that
they too could finally find love. It made everyone think
that they could get back with their ex and actually
live out a love story that they thought was dead.
But the lesson is, don't make too much content about
your relationship, especially when your husband has told you he
(44:01):
doesn't like when you make content about your relationship. I
do think it's done, but Jalo is fifty five. So
what I'll say is that there's time in another twenty
years to tell the greatest love story. Never We've got
another round in us. We've got another round. As the
film says, never say never, Never say never. I think
(44:24):
you could do another round. Have twenty years, have some
more marriages, yeh, have some more experiences. Benefits three point zero,
and then she can be like his sad man still sad, Yes,
yeah he is, he is. He's still complicated. Benefits three
point zero. Claire, before we go, we are now doing
lazy girls story at the end. Yeah, don't ask. It's
just a creative decision, Jens, to make creative decisions. What
(44:46):
can we make creative decisions? Today's lazy girl story, just
to put it on the record, Jen, it's not a
lazy girl. Oh absolutely not. Everyone said, don't make this movie.
Don't make this movie. You don't have to make this movie.
Lazy girls would have taken that said, oh thank god,
I'll lay in bed with my twenty meal. Okay, lazy
girl story in school. I actually made it to Zone
(45:08):
Athletics for one hundred meter sprint. I'm really impressed with that.
God I'm slow because that takes power strength. Sprinting's hard. Sprinting.
You don't fluke it. You should be a common data.
It was half a day to travel to and from
the stadium that held it at I got to the raceline,
(45:29):
looked around and figured I was way out of place.
So I made my way back.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Enough.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Save that energy for another day. She's a lazy girl. Now.
This is something really lovely about lazy girls, is that
we know when our energy is not going to be
well spent. So she went, Am I gonna win? No?
I don't know how I got into this. Have I
traveled all the way here? Absolutely, But I'm not going
to run just to lose. I'm gonna sit in the stand.
I'm gonna I'm not gonna run one hundred meters. I'm
(45:56):
gonna walk the one hundred meters back to the stand
and disappoint everyone. And I'm gonna get some hot chips
with extra tomato sauce and something I love to do,
watch athletics. Watch the rest of this love some really
talented athletes. Yeah yeah, but who among us has not
gotten to the gym and thought not today, Not today.
(46:16):
I did. I put on the shoes. Everyone says putting
on the shoes as the hardest part. I put on
the shoes. I still don't want to be here. I'm
going home. I'm getting KFC. The lazy girl, man, right,
is it's self care. It is self care. That's what
she did, and she would have got the day off
school already. Yeah, so it's like, you go home now.
You can even tell people you won. Yeah I got injured,
(46:37):
Like you can tell people whatever you like. I really
like that lazy girl. Thank you so much for joining
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supply Hello and welcome to Cancel, the podcast that looks
(01:24):
at silly celebrity crimes and assigns charges and sentences to
them so that we can all move on with our lives.
I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm joined by Claire Stephens and Claire.
Today we are not talking about a single celebrity. No, no, no,
which I mean we always say like this is like
we cancel celebrities. I mean, we recently did the Olympics,
so we're not very good with our own criteria. But
(01:46):
can we have boundaries we just don't operate within. No,
we're looking at the greatest love story never told, even
though I'd argue that it's been told more than any
other love story. Correct, We're talking about a relationship that
began with jigglely or gigly and ended maybe with this
is me. Now, we are talking about a union that
(02:08):
was first established twenty two years ago, before Jojo Siwa
was even born. We're talking about benefit.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Who used to seeing me around the house kind of
schleppy and kind of you know, and sweatpants and my strange.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Socks and thinking. I'm not saying I'm not pretty.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm saying you used to seeing me kind of like
the little old lady at home.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You're gorgeous, and we tell you something.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Every relationship there's a bull and a cow.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I'm the ball, you're the cow.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Got that?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I got a oh gosh what. Honestly, it cuts through
so many generations. It does because they have always and
they have never oh you know, yeah, for so long
they weren't yes, but once they were, and then they
were again again, and then maybe they weren't. And they're
also just such an interesting example of like, will you
(03:08):
get back with the should you? Should you? Jen? Jen,
You've had three marriages in between. She has been married
four times. She made a movie about it, in a documentary.
So this is about Betafer if you don't know, that's
about one Jennifer Lopez aka Jenny from the Block AKA.
We have done an episode on her. You'll find that
(03:29):
in the back catalog or in the show notes. Jennifer Lopez.
If you go hide, you can get then We've got
Ben Affleck sad Ben Dragon tattoo, Ben ugly tattoo.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Ben.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Best part of my idea is for about ten seconds
from when I pull up to the curb when I
get to your door, because I think maybe i'll get
up there and i'll knock on the door and you
won't be there. We have also done an episode on
Ben Affleck a lot of fun. But my structure for
today is as follows, Benefer, the first time, Benefer, the
second time, the wedding, this is Me now, divorce rumors.
(04:09):
If you're wondering about the pause, it's because of the ellipses,
which I think indicates because you know, her first album
was this is Me Then? No, I didn't know that. Yes,
it makes a lot more sense. That's why she now
has this is Me Now, Yes Me now? So benefit
the first time. Jen and Ben famously met on the
(04:33):
set of Giggly Giggly. I think it's jilly. I think
it's like I think it is too a romantic comedy
crime movie that a wise person once said was too
many genres. That was us, I said that. Do you
just for anybody who hasn't recently listened to the Jen
and or Ben episodes, you want to just give just
a short summary of what the film is about. Yeah,
(04:56):
so Ricky is Jlo is lesbian but not really, that's trick.
And then they have to cut off a thumb, but
the wrong thumb, and then they get in trouble, so
they're gonna get killed, but then they don't because they
talk their way out of it, and then they fall
in love even though Ricky is a lesbian. But Ricky's
not a lesbian anymore because she met Giggly. Giggly is
(05:17):
that his name Affleck? I don't know. I haven't seen
the film. I simply watched the trailer and I've never
seen anything more confusing and shocking in my life.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It means you're not my type.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Good night, And it's just a reminder that I think
when it comes to sexuality, like she just hadn't found
the right dick yet. Right, Yeah, that's exactly it. It's
the moral of the story fucked up? How could you
make that? Well? Speaking of how could you make that?
Martin Breast, It is widely considered to be one of
the worst movies of all time, and the director Breast,
(05:54):
that's his name, Come on now, at the time was
well known and well regarded. He never directed a film again.
He literally made a statement that once Giggly happened, he
knew he'd never be invited back to make more films.
He was like, I had a good run, but now
it's time for me to disappear. Do you think famous
people like the Jen and Ben's feel bad? I think
(06:17):
they leave in their wake a trail of broken director
creatations because, for reasons that they don't know, they agreed
to be on a project that they shouldn't have. And
Jen recovers, Ben recovers Martin breast He's like, I'm never
going to Remembin. Meanwhile, Jen and Ben are going jiggly.
(06:38):
Is the beginning of the greatest love story never told?
And Martin's like, from my perspective, that was Korea ending.
We told it. We told a love story on screen.
Was it a great one? Absolutely? It was homophobic. It
went to cinemas in the US, and then after three
weeks they just straight up stopped showing it because it
(06:59):
was upsetting people. I think they thought it was quite good.
To this day, I think they're like, what's the big problem.
It's like, go ask Martin. He's been redundant for twenty
two years. Go watch it, watch it, Go watch it
with some friends who are going to be honest with you.
After the filming wrapped in March two thousand and two,
Ben reportedly spent eighteen thousand dollars on a set of
(07:21):
advertisements to express how much he loved working with Jen.
Do you remember this yes. At the time she was
married to her husband Chris Judd, no relation to Chris Judd,
Bet Judd's husband. Yeah, yeah, yeah, as far as we know. Yeah,
she's got a thing of marrying people who have names
that other people have. For example, Mark Antony. I think
(07:42):
his name's Mark Anthony. Well, I don't know. Is he
the historical figure? No, but we'll get to here. Okay.
The ad that he took out in the paper, it read,
in part, you have shown kindness, dedication, diligence, humility, graciousness
of spirit, beauty and courage, great empathy, astonishing talent, real poise,
and true grace. It has been nothing but an honor
(08:04):
and a pleasure to work with you. I only wish
I were lucky enough to be in all your movies
with love and respecting gratitude, Ben Flick. And where did
you put that the paper? Okay? He could have just
told her that. You know how, sometimes you work with
someone and then you do a farewell card and you
just write a little message. Yeah, well that's what Yeah, yeah,
we just wanted to take out a paper in the
(08:25):
pap put it in the paper. This is the shit
I've been begging for on my birthday card from my
partner for seven or eight years. I would like to
be described as having beauty in courage. Claire, what does
beauty and courage mean? Okay, your courage is beautiful. Your
(08:46):
courage to be in Jigli, your courage to be Ricky
a turned lesbian. Okay, okay, no, no, you courageously make terrible decisions,
but you're still beautiful while doing it. Love that just
on Ben and his love letters, So I guess that's
when it started, but we'll touch on it later. That
he continued to write her love letters, and then on
(09:06):
the set of This Is Me Now, he got any
name and it was Penn Affleck. Honestly, they're just stand ups,
aren't made comedians. They both maintained that there was no
crossover with Jen's marriage, but it did end in mid
two thousand and two, and four seconds later, she was
(09:27):
pictured with Ben, who was taken by her graciousness of spirit.
Jen then released Jenny from the block. Ben appears in
the film clip kissing her on the bottom. They're both
wearing sunglasses, pretending to hide from the paparazzi. But it's like,
this is your music video, Yes you may and you're
(09:50):
running and you're being like, don't follow us, don't follow us.
Here I am, I'm Jen, And it reminded me of
I was in the airport recently and I saw someone
who was in all black, sunglasses on, cap, all of
these things, and I want, well, you're clearly fucking famous.
You're sign posting to me the famous. So I stared
at her NonStop for forty five minutes. Did discover that
(10:11):
she was a little bit famous. But I thought I
wouldn't have looked twice if you didn't have your baseball
cap on. Yeah, if you there's sunglasses on, and like
the all black and ensemble, just dress like a homeless
person like everyone else. Nobody else is wearing crisp, clean
black attire. After three months of dating, Ben was so
taken by Jen's true grace that he proposed with a
(10:34):
one point two million dollar diamond drink. That's so good.
All I'll say is you'd want to be sure. Later
that month, they started filming another movie together called Jersey Girl,
and Jen released her album This Is Me then, and
she said that Ben is her life and soul inspiration
for every lyric. Wow, there's a song a really cryptic
(10:56):
one I had to go through with a fine tooth comb.
It's called Dear Ben. Oh, I just cance trau myself.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I can't be with no.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And I would like you to do a dramatic reading
of some of the lyrics that I have printed out
right here from lyrics dot com. I would love nothing more. Okay,
this is from Gen Tibet. Does Gen write her own songs?
That's the thing I don't think so. I think that
what she does is talk about Ben. And then someone
writes the song about Ben okay, and they're like, maybe
we could call it like dear Lover, and she's like, no,
(11:27):
his name's Ben. I love you. You're perfect, a manifestation
of my dreams. You make my body feel about a
million different things. I think God made you for me,
a mix of passionate fidelities. Not right, we've all written
and like that. What does she have to rhyme when
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she did fidelities to have to rhyme with something me me? So,
for example, I have a heart and you are the
key of You might have been better than fidelities. Yeah, baby,
you're so complete. I write this song to let you
know that you will always be to me, my last,
my love, my man, my child, a friend, child's interesting,
(12:11):
my king. Now I don't like when people call their
partner their king or their queen or their child. The
child thing was really interesting. It throws me. I think
she was missing. There was a beat and she had
no word and she went, ah child, Yeah, and the
person writing it went, that's odd, Jen, and she said
it's perfect for my song. Did Ben Claire, I don't
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know what to tell you. She loves Ben. In July
two thousand and three, that's about a year since they
started dating, they did their first NBC primetime interview. It's
forty one minutes of them talking about their relationship. There's
at least two minutes dedicated to Ben saying that he
does not like doing the dishes.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
It's not my favorite thing in the world to do.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
So now I'm happy I don't have to do them.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I do do them. Ch Ah lovely riveting stuff. J
Loo is making chicken, just frying it, okay in case
you wondering. And he comes in and says, is that
fish or is it chicken? And then she says it's chicken.
And then they're like, oh, we're always frying stuff. Chicken
beef pork, and I'm like, a fuck me, why am
I watching this? It's not interesting. It's I think they
(13:21):
think that because they're them, anything they do is interesting. Yeah,
and because everyone follows them around. But it's like, I
don't need to be in on this joke where Ben's like,
I don't mind doing the dishes, and she's like, you've
never done the dishes, and it's like, in fairness, you've
been together for two weeks. Also, I don't think either
of you do the dishes, which is fine. I was
surprised she was frying, you have stuff. I think that
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Ben and Jen when they're alone, they just sit together
and intensely look into each other's eyes and tell each
other how hot they are, which is actually fair and
valid and true. Yeah, yeah, is Ben is just like
your face and she's like, mmm, I think you're alone
intensely and kind of gyrate, and then she does this thing.
She has a dance move where she kind of caresses
her own neck. She does a lot of that. But
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a few weeks later a story was published that claims
that on the night the Dateline interview aired, afflic had
visited a strip club and had sex with not one
but two women. Can you remember what his excuse was? Okay,
I'm making this up and I'm definitely wrong. He wanted
a glass. He wanted a glass of water, so he
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ended up in a strip club. Yeah, and some conversation.
I hate when I'm thirsty and I'm driving and I
go I just want to drink of water. And then
I go to a strip club and I fall into
a vachina, two of them. A woman came out and
said she slept with Affleck that night, and then his
rapes came out and said, no, no, no, there's been
some confusion because all afflic did at the strip club
(14:50):
that night was have some H two O, which is
good for you. Yeah, and some lovely conversations. The man
was parked. Oh we honestly denying a man a glass
water in a strip club club, some lovely entertainment around,
(15:10):
but some music, some dancing. He likes dancing. He was thinking,
you know who'd like this, Jen, she loves some dancing.
He wanted someone to talk to. Who is he meant
to talk to j Lo? No, she wasn't there. Matt
Damien had lied. No, his mom. No, he needed to
talk to his friends. The stupers. Okay, they ended up
(15:34):
postponing their wedding because of media attention and eventually broke
up because of media attention or because he's love with
you other people You'll never know, We don't know. They
always spoke of each other very highly. Ben commended Jalo
on her great talent, and Jalo always said they broke
up because of all the media attention. That was their story.
They stuck to her. No one is a bigger fan
of Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck. I think he's simply
(15:57):
a fan. I think he might just be a fan. Actually,
I don't think he's a boyfriend. I don't think he's
a husband. He's She's fine. We don't are fans, no benefit.
(16:18):
The second time, Affleck would go on to marry Jennifer Ganner,
who was the most different woman to Jennifer Lopez that
I personally know, but she has the same Firth name
and they have three kids, and Jlo would go on
to marry Mark Anthony and have twins. Interestingly, Jlo collaborated
on music and performed with Mark, as well as co
(16:40):
starring in a movie with him called El Cantante, which
was a biopic in two thousand and six, Madison Square Garden.
He filled that police up like that like he had
it all. He had everything, and you have me. Can
you move your ass so that I can see her?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Ask?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Please this one? You could touch this one? You can?
How was that success wise him? Why do you can't
bringing it up because it was ward winning or because
there's a bit of fun to be bad? The Evening
Standard wrote in a review the film and I quote,
did not go down well at the box office, and
(17:19):
neither Lopez nor Anthony knew anything about salsa, which is
what the film was about. It has a twenty five
percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes. You know who I think
went and saw it, Ben, I think first opportunity, Ben,
front seat, popcorn and a slurpy and he stood up
at the end. He did what a performance. So while
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that had twenty five percent, Jiggly Giggly really has six
percent on Rotten Tomatoes, So actually twenty five percent isn't
bad anyway. Anthony and Lopez officially divorced in twenty fourteen,
while Affleck and Ghana officially divorced in twenty eighteen. So
now what we've got is a single Ben and a
single gen not really because Jen was with the young guy.
(18:05):
The younger like a backup, backup down, and then Ben
was on Raia trying to like slide into dms and
people were sharing sad messages. You know, I leave the
man alone to be on his apps.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Why did you unmatch me?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
It's me let him be on his apps. And he
was in a moment where we've all been in this moment,
but we've also all seen men in this moment where
they start texting everyone because he's life. Yes, I have
my friends the strippers, but I need my other friends,
such as my exes. So he did start reaching out.
(18:44):
He probably reached out to Jennifer Ghannah and she said,
I'm the mother of his children where divorced j Lo.
Great performance in Elkompunbe. Actually just to be fan of
everything you've been doing lately. In May twenty twenty one,
nearly twenty years since they first got together, they were photographed.
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They were then photographed at Lopez's rental home in Miami,
and Ben was wearing a watch that Jalo had given
him back in two thousand and two. If I were
Jennifer Ghana, I'd be pissed. I'd be like, why didn't
we throw that out? Where have you been keep them
a watch mate? Mm hmm, it ain't right you kept
that in your box. And then a few things happened.
(19:27):
The first is that a bunch of pictures appeared of
them kissing and not not dry humping. All I'll say
is that they are at No Boo. I know nothing
about anything, but I know No Boo, fancy restaurant where
you go to get photo where you're going to get photographed,
And I'm sure a state costs like four hundred dollars.
(19:47):
And if I were trying to be discreet about my
new relationship, I wouldn't be humping at Noboo. But that's fine.
They were ready for people to know. They later confirmed
the relationship and started appearing on red carpets together. On
Valentine's Day, Affleck directed and gifted Lopez a remix of
her song on My Way. And if I were their therapist,
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which I'm not, I would say less working together. I
would say to j Loo, Actually, you don't need to
star in a film with your husband. It's a specific
issue if most of us don't need to work. No,
but you can love someone and not make a film. Yeah,
or write a song, collaborate together on a project. You
(20:30):
can do those separately, Claire, I would like to show
you this, so just for context, Ben gives this to
Jen on Valentine's Day and then Jen shares it. No newsletter,
you know that newsletter below down or whatever? Yeah, I
think I subscribe, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's like, did
Ben say you could share that?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I always knew you, even when not did know? You
don't make sense, but it do. I was on my lady,
you felt heavy, like.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Hell, Heaven sent me through pause. I moved, give me,
I moved. I think you can tell. He's an award
winning film man, Claire. It's terrible and it looks like
he made it in that terrible like video editor that
we all used in like year ten. Yeah, we had
(21:33):
it on our laptops. Then in all the images of him,
which don't make any sense, are completely out of context.
He's always smoking and looking sad, and he's made it
black and white and grainy. Yes, he's definitely used. And
then he just puts man date yet. But Matt's like,
don't drag me into this shit. Why do I feel things? Huh?
(21:53):
Because it's lovely, it's not lovely. Yeah, it's quite beautiful.
Jim Ghana and him were together for seven and we're
singing a song about being on our yellow brick road
that was always leading, that was always leading back to you.
And you've done this weird as shit remix video where
(22:14):
you've like redone her video clip with also like clips
from Jenny from the Block ye, and there's some well
she's standing like on a city. It's very j low,
very very j Lo. In twenty twenty two, Lopez announced
that they're engaged again, twenty years after the first time.
In July, they filed their marriage license in Vegas and
(22:35):
everyone was like, how low key they have changed. They
have learned, they have evolved. Good for you, because it's
like Jennifer Lopez needs to learn there's an inverse relationship
between how much you spend on your wedding and the
fuss that you make and how long that marriage lasts. Yeah,
and last time, why did their relationship end because of
the media, media attention. So I've just got to be
(22:56):
a bit more lokay. Ben doesn't like it, he doesn't
like the fuss. Jess. I've just got something to add,
which is, do you remember the Grammys last year, Ben
and Jen sitting in the audience, and Ben just generally
does look happy to be so many having a shit
so many. I think this might have been off the
back of the honeymoon that he didn't really Yeah, he
(23:17):
just wasn't having a great time and he was I'd
rather be at home under the Eiffel Tower and now
I'm at the Grammys. You don't want to have a
little tif for the Grammys. And there's this footage of
Trevor Noah sitting beside them, and Trevoroah is a friend
of the family. Yeah, we'll touch on Trevor a little
bit later, but he is sitting there, and just to
the right of him, you can see Ben and Jen
(23:37):
arguing that she is having a stern word to him.
She's kind of like pointing her finger at his chest
and he is looking cranky, and lip readers have said
that she was saying, cheer up and look more motivated.
Sad Ben is bringing down the fire, yeah, because that's
the thing that camera pans. Everyone's looking excited and clapping
and Ben, Ben doesn't want to be look like a
(23:59):
rain cloud, and Jen like this is one of the
greatest nights of the Year. I look stunning. Look at
my skin, look at my hair, look at my dress.
I've got old dressed up and you can't even do
a little smile for the camera. Totally get that. I
actually don't think that that is necessarily an indication that
they were in trouble at that point, because we've all
(24:21):
done it. We've all turned to our partner and said, Okay,
I need you to bring more. Yeah, I know we're
in a shit situation with my family right now and
there being insufferable, but I'm going to need you to
suck it up. Yep. Sometimes we turn to each other
and we say lift, I need you to lift energetically. Yeah,
and that's what That's what Jenn was saying, man sign
of a healthy relationship at the Grammys. Lyft. So they
(24:43):
get married in Vegas and I remember being like, honestly
never thought she was like, this is just an old dress,
and like I was like, yeah, you're still sharing it,
but good on you. Benefit have not changed after all,
Claire the wedding. The wedding took place at Afflex eighty
seven acre compound in Georgia. There was a rehearsal. J
Loo wore a gold frock. There was a horse with
(25:05):
pink flowers in its mate. She wore three Ralph Lauren gowns.
There is a drama image of j Loo in a
gown on a swing surrounded by chandeliers. Most of the
photos I've seen do not feature or allude to Ben,
and I do not mind. She wore more than two
million dollars worth of diamonds and pearls. Jay Shetty officiated
the ceremony. There were fireworks, there was a post wedding
(25:28):
Sunday brunch. I saw photos, and there were donuts. What
an event. It is believed that the wedding cost them
half a million Australian dollars. Then they went on their honeymoon,
and that's when sad Ben emerged. Claire, please explain sad Ben. Okay.
The thing about Ben is that sometimes he's photographed and
(25:49):
the spirit has left his soul, and in his eyes
there is only emptiness and hollowness and an existential thread,
and it scenes that all the weight of living has
fallen upon his shoulders. The weight of the universe is
sitting on his slumped shoulders as he has a Starbucks
coffee and aigarette and he's just like and I just
(26:12):
I love Jennifer Lopez. I don't think she has that
same emotional experience. I think she's quite a happy lady.
I think she's upbeat. I think she's like where in France? Ben?
And Ben's like, it doesn't matter where I am as
a Sylvia Placid, I'm stewing in my own sour air.
Is how Ben is? Yeah, he's just dark cloud, dark
(26:33):
cloud Ben. The images that went viral of Ben Aras
follows Ben asleep on a boat, Ben looking sad on
river cruise, Ben crying in a restaurant. Did the Eiffel Tower?
I should go up? But it was just under the
Eifel Tower, Ben looking exasperated Claire, who was very sad.
Ben on his euro summer. Now, no one deserves to
(26:55):
be stalked by paparazzi. I truly believe that, and you
can see how distressed it makes them both. But I reckon.
At this point, Ben is regretting the film clip he
made j Lo where he basically did a slide show
and then she said it to all her followers. Yes,
and also the wedding and then also such a flashy
honeymoon being fla. I think there are a place that
(27:17):
you could have gone. Yeah less and then they recreated the.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Thing on her bottom and I'm like, guys, we've been
here before, twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
This is me now. I don't know how to tell
you what this is about. I watched it this morning.
I had it on in the background. I had it on.
Luna was just crawling around. I was trying to watch it.
It's the first film she's ever been exposed to. And
she stopped and said, what is this? What the fuck
is this? Make it end? I was like, honey, I
(27:59):
don't know. It's a visual album, but it has like
a script source a musical, and there's a wedding and
too many famous people are in it. And there is
a line that she wrote because she wrote this that
says she's smart, she's beautiful. Why does she always need
to be with someone? Which I respect Jen Jen. I
(28:21):
watched it, and in terms of the celebrity cameos, I
was like, this is so interesting because it's an insight
into who can't say no exactly because everyone was asked.
Everyone Rizzo said no, I can't do that. If I
was a Hollywood person, would I have been in it
absolutely absolutely, you never know I was there the idea
of hurting Jen's feelings when she seems like a sweet person. Okay,
(28:45):
So there's This is Me Now, and there's also The
Greatest Love Story Never Told, which is a documentary about
This is Me Now. So in The Greatest s Story
Never Told, we learn that she did ask a lot
of celebrities and she got really upset when they said no,
and then they were like, oh, so and so says
that they're at a wedding, and she's like call them,
like she's just forcing them to be in her movie.
(29:06):
And then she's like, it's because they don't like the script,
and then she gets very well. In one scene, the
casting director says to her, we sent out all the
offers last night to everybody. We're waiting to hear back
from a few people. And then a voice off camera says,
Taylor Swift is a no. Jason Momoa is not available,
Jennifer Coolidge not available, Lizo not available. Then someone asks
(29:29):
Jlo if she wants Vanessa Hudgens by the way, and
she responds for what, same fabe for another person says
she's not available. At another point, Jennifer says it'd be
good to get Bad Bunny to do a little cameo
as the bad kid, and she's then told Ariana Grande
(29:49):
is unavailable. She's in London until September, and when they're
talking about her famous friends being busy, she says, I
don't want to force anybody to do this. Who doesn't
go this is going to be fun. Nobody wants to
say no to me. I get that. But when an
actor doesn't like a script, or doesn't think it's good enough,
or is worried about it, that's what they'll say. I
(30:10):
know that I've done it, so don't push them, don't
put it a mate. When they say no to your script,
don't want to be in your film. Well, the other
thing she says, because apparently Chloe Kardashian was supposed to
make a cameo and it didn't happen, And she says
people are scared to put themselves out there. I get it,
(30:30):
took me a long time. I'm scared, and I don't
think that's it. Then I'm talking about Taylor Swift. She's
put herself out there plenty. Taylor Swift scared of the
power of the platform. Jaylo would offer her. Honestly, it
gives me a lot of respect, like knowing that somebody
like Lizzo got a call and then said, ah, let
me know what I respect is that a call was
(30:53):
made to listen. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I respect because
just for some context, she writes this album this is
Me Now, and it was about because this is Me
Then was written when she was first with men, and
she only writes albums when she's with Ben. She didn't
write an album in like twenty years. Anyway, she writes
this is Me Now. She's like, Okay, yep, I want
to tell this story. I'm going to make it like
this movie visual album. And some distributor is like, yeah, yeah, cool,
(31:16):
we'll give you some money. And then they pull it
and they're like actually I think they saw the script,
but they were like, this doesn't make us any money,
like Beyonce sing didn't make us money. This isn't a
good business. Move fast. And then she realizes that she's
got to fund it. But that's not the answer. I
would just pull. I would just pull. Sometimes we're told
(31:36):
no because the answer is no. So it's a three
part multimedia project. What is that twenty million dollars of
her own money, and the description says it examines and
plays with her life as a serial romantic. And she
says it's a twenty year project. But we can't say
it's twenty year project just because we don't do anything
(31:57):
else for twenty years. Yeah, well we relatable. Neil de
grass Tyson is a literal astrophysicist. He writes books about
traveling to space. He has a species of named after him.
Why is he in Jalo's movie? Could have done so
much science. We are so diacal, council, but the stars
(32:18):
hold all the power. When she did the greatest love
story never told? Except all she does is tell her
she wanted to tell the story in all mediums immediately
available to her. Yes. Right. At one point she brings
this book in that Ben gifted her, which has all
their emails from two thousand and two, and they interview
someone who's like, we were allowed to touch the letters.
(32:40):
I don't believe it, And it's like, is Jlo making
this film too? And did she make you say that?
And these people think they are touching a diary of
great hist roles signific Winston Churchhill and not a printed
out email from Ben, You've been showing all the musicians
(33:03):
all these letters that are and they were like, yeah,
we call you Penaflak. And she exclaims, I don't expect
anyone to get this, like why are you making it?
Because she wants people to believe in love. She says,
don't you see my favorite scene? She has to leave
the set and everyone's chasing her, asking questions because she's
(33:24):
the boss, and she's just like, it's very Jenny from
the block, like oh, I'm so overwhelmed. And she's getting
in a car that's like actually a track it's and
it's very like, oh my gosh, this project is huge,
and it's like, you solely are responsible to this. You
can pull the plug at any point, an you can go.
This is too much. She's like I have to go,
and I'm like, where Jen? This is your project, your
(33:45):
only project, except for the documentary you're making about this project.
But someone is filming that documentary now because I'm watching
the greatest love story Never told. Okay, then there's another
documentary I found called Ben and Jen Never Say Never Ah,
which is confusing because Justin Bieber's documentary is called Never
Say Never. The timeline reads like a soap opera, two
(34:08):
decades filled with hot romance, heartbreak, multiple marriages, broken engagements,
and five children between them. The love story of pop
icon Jennifer Lopez and movie star Ben Affleck began with
a movie set meeting in two thousand and two, which
waived its way to the altar twenty years later, share
the Secrets of Pink Diamonds, of Racy Yacht Video and
Bubble Bath Proposal. So this is the third Like, these
(34:31):
two people have been together for like a combined eleven
months over two engagements, and I have to watch three
movies about the mon Amazon pri one album and one album,
two albums. It's hard because with the greatest love story,
I never told there aren't any steakes because it's just
(34:51):
Jen's money and she's making a documentary and I'm like,
whether you lose it all or you don't, you're still
Jennifer Lopez and you're with Ben Affleck. So I'm not
not rooting for you. I just don't think you've got
much to lose, Yeah, she says. At one point in
the documentary about the movie, she says, I have good intentions.
I just don't want it to suck and that's all
of us with pursuit so well, but it does. And
(35:14):
then Ben says, that's just inexperience. You haven't done this
before because he has made films and he's like his
disinesce and oh nah, he was like, no, it's great, babe,
it's really good. Divorce rumors. A few months after The
Greatest Love Story Never Told and This Is Me Now
was released, rumors emerged that Ben and Jen were separating,
(35:35):
which sucks in terms of timing. I'm going to give
you a bit of a timeline about what has happened
in the last honestly, like four or five months. It's
May sixth, twenty twenty four. Jalo is at the met Gala.
No Ben insight to that. I say Ben had hate
the Metgala? Is it that unusual that he is not there?
(35:56):
May twelve, her and Ben do not spend Mother's Day together.
May fourteen, j Loo is house hunting without Ben. May fifteen,
there are reports that Ben has moved out. May sixteen,
Ben pictured leaving his new residence where he's living alone.
But he's wearing his wedding ring. Okay. J Lo then
(36:17):
likes a post on Instagram Claire, I would like you
to just give listeners a gist of the post that
Jennifer Lopez liked on May the sixteenth, from her account. Ah,
you cannot build a healthy relationship with someone who lacks
integrity and emotional safety, doesn't respect your time, doesn't think
(36:40):
it's important to call, slash text back in a respectable time.
Friend texting her lacks effective communication skills. He's talking to
his friends, doesn't strippers who they are or what they want.
Devil's advocate. Maybe she's talk about one of our other husbands. No,
she could be talking no current husband. Well, it's funny
(37:01):
you say that, though, because I think A few days later,
they're photographed together at a school play of one of
the children wearing their wedding rings. We go. Things get weirder.
Two days after that, they're spotted in a car together
and then Ben's phone starts ringing and his screen is
visible to the paps. Have you heard this? I've seen
the picture and it reads Jennifer affleck. But she's right
(37:27):
there to Gleitch in the matrix. I don't understand. Oh,
that is weird. That is weird.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I saw memes about it, but I didn't see the
original it's Jennifer. Jenny's right there. The rumors ramp up,
with sources telling people Ben hates all attention and it
makes him very uncomfortable. Jennifer has always had a different approach.
I don't appreciate the blaming Jennifer. No, not one beer.
He knew who she was. She has never changed. This
(37:55):
is me, then, this is me now, this have always
been later, she's clear a journalist. Then asks Jen outright,
if they're separated, love that journalist me too. Take him
on for the team doing Godswick says, you know better
than that. Then they're holding hands. She's hot broke. Then
(38:17):
Lopez announced that she would not be doing her summer
tour as planned. Pictures of visits me now toa she's
not doing it just that's like a huge part of
promoting her three part twenty millions of pundage project. Well,
she's not doing it because she has to spend time
with her family on and she's sorry by the time
(38:38):
she tours that it's not even going to be her
now anymore. It's going to be her band again. Then
they put their sixty million dollar house on the market.
In June, Ben is on Kevin Hart's podcast and basically
says he hates all the attention.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I'm also a little bit shy.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I also like a lot of attention. Is why people
see me and they're like, let's do it? Always mad
because somebody has their cameras thinking in my face and
you have reste you know, I have resting hard fist,
He says. Paparazzi can take pictures of him, he doesn't
give a fuck if they're taking pictures of Jen, not
his kids. Then he takes his wedding ring off and
then the next day is back. On July twenty, Lopez
(39:17):
has a Bridgitton themed birthday party. I having brackets fun
and Ben doesn't come. That would slap. The only thing
I will say about the Bridgeton themed birthday party was
it girls only? Ah? It feels like a gal's event. Well,
Ben wasn't there. I don't think you'd like dressing up.
But July twenty seven, Ben Affleck goes rogue and purchases
(39:39):
a five bedroom home in LA for cheeky twenty mil.
My question is, why do you need a home if
you already have a home with j Lo Claire. Any
minute now, we will have an announcement that Ben and
Jen are over gupych Finn Benito Non. It's too sad
because it's the greatest love story that has been told
(40:01):
over and over and over again. And the issue, you know,
how like when you break up, like there are so
many photos and momentos and stuff. It's like she created them.
It's like you'd go and watch that film, clear that
Ben made you. She created twenty million dollars worth relationship
content momentums, twenty million dollars was only this is me now.
(40:23):
It wasn't the greatest love story I never told, and
I don't know if I had anything to do with
Ben and Jen. Never say never, Oh Claire, it is
time for charges and sentences. I'm gonna go first. My
charge charges are dop points because there are multiple intensity
(40:46):
counting eggs before they have hatched, tempting fate, making two
movies about your new husband, and making Jane fonderby in it. Okay,
what I will say about your framing of this and
potentially our framing of the waste. It's been very gen focused,
wasting Neil deGrasse Tyson's time. I think Jenny is so
(41:10):
titled to make her art. I think he's just so
entitled to make her art. But I just think that
Neil over here could be discovering another planet and instead
he's Gemini or Sagittarius or something. He must know astrology
is bullshit, he does. I'm pretty sure he says it
in the documentary about the film making a movie visual
album about your life while also making a documentary about
(41:32):
the movie visual album about your life, And is this inception?
We didn't necessarily want to be emotionally invested in your relationship,
but then you made multiple I repeat multiple films about it,
and now we want to know if you guys are okay, yes, yes,
So what's your sentence? I don't want them to be over,
(41:54):
but I think they're over me too, And in that way,
I think the worst thing that could have happened to
them both has happened. No, I do, so why would
I punish them? Ah? Well, Bennifer is no longer, oh Darling, Okay, Well,
my charge is similar to yours. It is content inception,
(42:15):
content about content about content. Yeah, greatest love story never told?
I would argue that it's been told. Yeah, my sentence, if
you're going to make the greatest love story never told
about your romance and then now it looks like that
romance has ended. I need to know. I need the
Greatest love Story Never Told? BTS. Oh my god, you
(42:36):
need more content and sectional content. You create the world
of the dream. We bring the subject into that dream
and they feel it. They're subconscious and Jen. What Jen's
doing is she's releasing a lot of polished content. We've
got a lot of like professional video clip. What I
need is the candid moments where she's like, it's not working.
(42:58):
I'm worried that the Great sub Story Never Told was contrived,
that it was a documentary about a film, but that
was also had a like editorial spin. And what I
want is like, as you say, like a behind the scenes,
dirty grimy iPhone camera where we get the can we
do another take? I'm being more interested. I want the
(43:20):
guy who made the poshen Becks documentary. I want him
to do a Jen and Ben Tocco and actually reveal
some really interesting stuff about their dynamic. Yeah, that's what
I need. I need more content. Do you think they're done?
I think that maybe they are done. And it's so
sad because it was such a long game. It was
a long game and even on the YouTube video like
(43:41):
where he made the film clip. Everyone was really supportive
and encouraged, and they felt like it did mean that
they too could finally find love. It made everyone think
that they could get back with their ex and actually
live out a love story that they thought was dead.
But the lesson is, don't make too much content about
your relationship, especially when your husband has told you he
(44:01):
doesn't like when you make content about your relationship. I
do think it's done, but Jalo is fifty five. So
what I'll say is that there's time in another twenty
years to tell the greatest love story. Never We've got
another round in us. We've got another round. As the
film says, never say never, Never say never. I think
(44:24):
you could do another round. Have twenty years, have some
more marriages, yeh, have some more experiences. Benefits three point zero,
and then she can be like his sad man still sad, Yes,
yeah he is, he is. He's still complicated. Benefits three
point zero. Claire, before we go, we are now doing
lazy girls story at the end. Yeah, don't ask. It's
just a creative decision, Jens, to make creative decisions. What
(44:46):
can we make creative decisions? Today's lazy girl story, just
to put it on the record, Jen, it's not a
lazy girl. Oh absolutely not. Everyone said, don't make this movie.
Don't make this movie. You don't have to make this movie.
Lazy girls would have taken that said, oh thank god,
I'll lay in bed with my twenty meal. Okay, lazy
girl story in school. I actually made it to Zone
(45:08):
Athletics for one hundred meter sprint. I'm really impressed with that.
God I'm slow because that takes power strength. Sprinting's hard. Sprinting.
You don't fluke it. You should be a common data.
It was half a day to travel to and from
the stadium that held it at I got to the raceline,
(45:29):
looked around and figured I was way out of place.
So I made my way back.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Enough.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Save that energy for another day. She's a lazy girl. Now.
This is something really lovely about lazy girls, is that
we know when our energy is not going to be
well spent. So she went, Am I gonna win? No?
I don't know how I got into this. Have I
traveled all the way here? Absolutely, But I'm not going
to run just to lose. I'm gonna sit in the stand.
I'm gonna I'm not gonna run one hundred meters. I'm
(45:56):
gonna walk the one hundred meters back to the stand
and disappoint everyone. And I'm gonna get some hot chips
with extra tomato sauce and something I love to do,
watch athletics. Watch the rest of this love some really
talented athletes. Yeah yeah, but who among us has not
gotten to the gym and thought not today, Not today.
(46:16):
I did. I put on the shoes. Everyone says putting
on the shoes as the hardest part. I put on
the shoes. I still don't want to be here. I'm
going home. I'm getting KFC. The lazy girl, man, right,
is it's self care. It is self care. That's what
she did, and she would have got the day off
school already. Yeah, so it's like, you go home now.
You can even tell people you won. Yeah I got injured,
(46:37):
Like you can tell people whatever you like. I really
like that lazy girl. Thank you so much for joining
us on this episode of Canceled. This episode was produced
by Telisabezazz and Kimberly Bradish And we will be back
next week. Bye bye.
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