SUMMER LISTENING: A Brutally Honest Review Of The Victoria Beckham Documentary

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She’s one of the biggest pop stars in the world turned fashion juggernaut — and now we’re getting an inside look at who Posh Spice really is.In today’s Brutally Honest Review, we’re diving into Victoria Beckham’s new Netflix docuseries, a three-part look behind the scenes of her empire.

From the early Spice Girls days to building one of fashion’s most recognisable brands, this series promises to show us the woman beneath the gloss. We unpack the most surprising revelations — from the way she first financed her business to the rare glimpses into her relationship with David and their kids. 

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:14):
Notes from MoMA Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily
pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodney, I'm Bam and today
is an episode that we have been waiting to do
ever since news reached our ears that this new documentary
was dropping on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh my god, I'm so excited to do this, and
I'm also so excited to show how much I know
about Victoria Beckham since I was previously bullied for not
knowing how much.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
So Yes, this is our brutally honest review of the
Victoria Beckham documentary that came out on Netflix over a
week ago. I have never forgotten where I come from.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Performing was my dream.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
The Spice Girls made me accept who I am, and
then all of a sudden it stopped. Now we have
a lot of law with this particular title, because a
few weeks ago, just to catch people up, heard the
documentary was coming.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
We got very excited about the trailer.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yes, we talked to the trailer and I was so
excited because I was like, oh my god, I know
so much about Victoria Beckham. She's so important, but I
can't wait to know more. And then you let it
slip innostantly, not knowing one.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Of the many things I regret saying.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Am I not knowing the avalanche of criticism that was
about to come your way? Well, bullied that you didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Know much about stupid little girl, did you?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
That's me? That's actually not in the spirit of the.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Sport anonymous person put your name on your comments before
you jump in my damn.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Can I just say the Spice Girls were all about
girl power and sometimes not knowing stuff, and they.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Would really, you don't know about the Spice yes, because
do you want to have comments.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Which led to us doing a whole episode where I
schooled am on the Spice Girls, but not the important stuff,
so not their record sales, not.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
The amount of comments we've got in on this episode.
So we did a really honest review of just the
Spice Girls, which is basically it was more like a lesson,
like a history lesson of people who like messaged me
saying how much they love that episode. Spice Girls fans,
you were saying stuff that even like Massive Spy Skulls
fans didn't know how to.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
I didn't even know how this stuff because I was
a child with their famous and I'm deep into the archives.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
There's a video on social of me just reacting to
things that LB is saying. I'm like what, Jerry, Yeah,
you were like on the floor. It was insane. I'd
been through so much in two years, I know.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
And also I got so many messages saying like, Laurie,
you forgot to tell M this. You got M this
and that, and I was like, guys, we didn't have
time for all the stories. Everyone was very sad. I
didn't tell you about Jerry and Melby hooking up. I
can't believe you don't know that way. No, we're me
in documentary on that. Do you not know this through?
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
My god?

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay, guys, super quick segue, then we walk into the documentary.
So there were always rumors because Jerry and Melby, as
discussed in our brilliants review of The spic Skills, which
we will link anyone who hasn't listened because it is
our best work, there were always rumors that Jerry and
Melby had this very fiery relationship. But there were also
rumors that they had hooked up. What now, They never
said anything about that and it was never like confirmed.

(04:12):
But then a few years ago, Melby was on a
talk show and she got asked directly if she and
Jerry had had like at least one hookup, and she said, yes,
they have hooked up. At least once, Jerry is that
great And apparently Jerry was upset at her for saying
that because you know how Jerry's like married to a
billionaire now lady of the manner.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Also like that would have been around the time where
Christian Horner's alleged affair was happening as well.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah maybe that's yeah, that's the rich guy she married.
I'm not sure of the time on there, but I
think Jerry was a bit like, that's not the persona
I want to put out right now. Yeah, I love
that for them. Their best is now again, that's or
are they Some stuff came out in the documentary which
we will get to.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Okay, so the Victoria Beckham Netflix documentary. So there was
a lot of hype for this because the documentary that
had come out previously that was more assented on David
and Victoria but also David's life and career was a
huge hit and massive brought this whole new audience to
the Beckhams two day to Victoria and made them a

(05:11):
lot more beloved, I think than they had been before.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
I think they were really encapsulated that like, we're just
a normal family who all love each other. I mean,
we know what happened after that. But I think that
celebrity documentary, I think that one in particular was one
of the best ones ever done.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Oh really all the documentaries. I mean, yeah, it was
really intriguing. I guess because we knew so much about them.
They do interviews, but we hadn't sort of had that
at least a slightly intimate look into their personal lives.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
But I also think the sports like part of it
really drove that documentary.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
And people just became obsessed with them as a couple
in a new way that seen them dancing together and
then one was recreating the dance and everything. So I
thought they were like, let's come back for round two.
Will make people love Victoria and her fashion brand even
more so. The documentary Victoria Beckham promised us an intimate
inside look into the world of Victoria Beckham and her

(06:06):
career and her life and her family in a way
that we had never seen before. Watched all three episodes
of the documentary. Do you think we got that?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Okay, this is what I want to say.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh say it.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I've talked about this documentary just so many of my
friends and surprisingly a lot of my friends know a
lot about Victoria Beckon. They think the documentary was not good.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Interesting, I loved it. I loved it too. I think
I loved it because I watched it knowing exactly what
it was supposed to be. So this is what we
always talk about when things are mislabeled, when you promise people.
It's like with Materialists, it's a little bit of a
rage bait. Yeah, I guess. Oh. I think it's just
like it's advertising that doesn't promise what the product actually is,
whereas what the product is is fine. But again, it's

(06:47):
like Materialists. A lot of people went into that movie
thinking it was a sexy, fun little rom com with
Dakota Johnson and Chris Evans and Pedro Pascal and said,
it's like this intimate drama about what happens when you
die alone, and so people didn't like it. It's the
same with The Mean Girl's Musical, Like people went into
it thinking it was just Mean Girls, and then they
were tricked into not knowing it was a musical until
they got into the cinema. So then they were upsets,

(07:08):
like why are they saying those video those are people
like when they first start singing mean girls and people
start screaming in anger. Its so funny and I think
the same as Victoria Beck and people will promise this
really intimate look, and you got a little bit of that,
but really it's just a very curated production from her
of how she wants the world to see her right now.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
And it's also just a interesting it's a massive and
you know what, guess what. The minute I finished the document,
I went on David Jones and saw if I could
buy that shirt and I couldn't aford.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
It, absolutely not. Well, we're not that brand is not
for us.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
But if we pulled them together, we could buy a
shirt for me, which is my dream, the one that
says fashion style my smile.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Oh it's two dollars. I'm just gonna say now that
I know Victoria that comesising and that's not going to
get it for my parents, but it's my We could
just make up.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
We could get it the lipliner.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, we could share a Liplin, share the spell lipliner.
So instead of an intimate portrait, we did get a
few things. So going back to the first episode is
very much looking into her childhood in her early life,
which had been kind a bit of the breakout Story
from the David Victoria Beckham documentary, because then there's that
whole thing where Victoria is talking to camera in that
documentary and saying.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, the one meme that came out of that documentary.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
They're really working class. And David's like, be honest.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
He like pops his head. You heard it. My wife's
trying it's unrelatable again, got to go stop this. And
he's like be honest, and he's like, what did your
dad drive you to school in? And she's like, will
working class? He's like, be honest, and she's like, rolls
for roads.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah. The thing is Victoria Beckham has been trying to
make herself very working class since she first became famous,
and obviously, like, I don't think her parents were super
super rich.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
They were self made her parents, because she talked about
and they also interview her parents and they live in
this massive house.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
She's like, my parents salted the earth. They still live
in the house. They have no one married. You're like, yeah,
because that house is a mansion. It's you huge ground.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, And she talked about like her dad like kind
of created his own business, so he was like very
business orientated, but I think because she saw like the
working class and then becoming rich, she kind of like,
I guess, relate to it.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
If you're not the richest person in your class, Like
it's all relative. The amount of people youth who, especially
when they become famous, who think they grew up poor
but actually didn't once they look around. I always think
of that conversation that Amy Poula and dak Shep had
had on his podcast, and they both said all through
like the first few decades of their career, when they
became famous, they would say in all their interviews, we
grew up poor, We grew up poor. My family had nothing.

(09:36):
And then both their families had to come to and
be like, we weren't actually, and they both realized now
they weren't. They just like weren't rich, which isn't the
same thing. But it's interesting because in all the earlier
books about the Spice Girls the story, they always tell
us that when Victoria got famous, she would tell everyone
that she wanted her parents to drive them to school
in the van, not the rolls Royce because they get
made fun of and all these sorts of things. So

(09:58):
she's she's been trying to be working class for a
long time.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Imagine your kids becoming so famous and they're like, we
grew up poor, parents are prawl and.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
You're watching them on TV in your mansion, like I
grew up in a shed.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
I grew up in a shared My parents had no money.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Like I was say when we did our initial review.
It also has that slight kind of Megan Markle tint
to the beginning of her story, because so much of
the documentary is showing clips from the past and then
filming in present day, and it's also her and other
people who know her talking to camera. And in those
first few clips, in the first episode of her talking
to camera, she's talking about the fact that she was

(10:33):
always felt that she was outsider at school. She said
she was bullied, and she's basically saying that she was
an ugly duckling, the same way Megan Michael always says
that she was a bit of an ugly duckling. The
issue with that is and maybe I'm sure she felt
that way, and she talks at being bullied quite extensively,
and I'm sure that is probably true, But then it
cuts to her.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
And she looks stunny. She's studying.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
So that is the story of every terror, Like, oh,
the video editor called Netflix. Someone's like, do we have
anything where she looks ugly, where she looks like she's
even like she's got a bit of acne, a buck tooth, anything, like, yeah,
we sent it to you. And she's performing for her
class and she looks so pretty. She's doing a solo
and they're all chopping for her, and she's like, that
was my darkest time. It's like all those kind of

(11:18):
like teen fantasy books where the girl who's like the
main character is saying how she's not attractive, and when
all the supernatural creatures meet her, like she's beautiful, and
she just doesn't know it. Do you think we're beautiful?
I just don't know it.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Skin my unlevish skin.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Light.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
I just float away on a cloud. I'm still hoping
for that revealed that I've never touched the ground. I'm
so every woman in a fantasy book. Every woman in
a fantasy book. Megan mark on Victoria back beautiful, long
curly locks.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I can only tame them in a braid.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Well, if we are secretly beautiful, do let us know.
If we're not, Please keepsel trolls, Please leave them alone.
She's been through enough, so we sort of see that
through her childhood, but we also see how she wanted
to be famous so badly. And what I thought was
really interesting reveal is that her parents. The thing about
people who become famous is I'm finding their parents just

(12:16):
really believed in them. I don't know what that's like.
But her parents re mortgage the house to send her
to all these dance schools and give her all this
professional training. This is what I thought was interesting, and
this has been really glossed over. They like pretty much
put their entire lives on the line to make their
daughter famous because they thought she was a star, probably
because she was beautiful. And when they went to one

(12:38):
of her first big concerts, they realized that she wasn't
actually that good and she'd been put in the back row.
Him that bit.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
I don't remember that bit, but that's so huge funny.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Her parents are talking to camera. That's in the beginning
of that. I think no one else picked up, but
they were just like, yeah, we got there, and they're like, oh,
she's been put in the back row, like she's not good.
And then it gets a bit more serious because they
talking about the fact that the school was saying that
she was overweight and were treating her really badly, and
her Mum's like, imagine saying that to basically a child. Yeah,
And that obviously went on to kind of spur a

(13:08):
lot of the eating disorder.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
And I went into her adulthood, like when she was
wide on national TV and stuff like that never ever
left her exactly.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
So we see that, and we see her sort of
like that moment where she's graduated and she's going in
to be like a professional performing artist and she's going
to school, and then we segue into the Spice Girls auditions.
What did you think of that moment?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Oh my god, I was locked in.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, I thought you would be.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I couldn't tell what was like actual like archival footage
and what was footage from what I'm presuming is Spice World.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
When she goes in, she sings a musical theater song.
She was the only girl in the auditions too.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
I remember that, and I remember going, oh, this is
when she's singing musical theater And I remember you telling
me that like everyone else was singing poppy song, and
I'm like, you know, she's a pretty good singer.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
No, she's a great singer. I said, she got the
highest marks in the audition.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Why did they always put her on the chorus?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Why didn't want to.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Be I don't know one verse.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
No, they're always like, hey, Victoria, why don't you walk
out pretend to take a photo of yourself And she's like, okay,
I know, justice a Victoria. Yes, that is our kybal
footage of her of her first Spice Girls audition. I
lost my mind when I saw that because I hadn't
seen that before.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I can't believe she sang that song like her parents
are re mortgaging the house and they're like, you bring
out that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
No, that was great. I thought that was the purpose
a risk. It is a risk, but it made her
stand out and it's a difficult song to sing, Oh
my god. So yeah, I think it made her standard
against like the dozens of girls who were all singing
like the pop song at the moment, and it kind
of showed her range and she was doing it just
like that's just you.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Know what it's like. Similarly, Lewis Hamilton, famous race car driver. Yeah,
he also grew up in like a poor family, like
the poor family, a real poor family. I really had
two pools like literally, no, they were poor, poor, which
is like so uncommon for race car drivers because I
all never so they actually were struggling to make money
to put him into like go karting and stuff. That's

(15:00):
the equivalent of him going to a race and I
don't know, like riding a motorcycle or a bike. I'm
just trying something different than you guys.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
It a go kart, like pushing with his feet like
I'm just trying to show you what my charaents are like,
louis what the hell? I think you could say? It
worked out for Victoria Beckham. So that's the original footage
from the auditions. The clip you're talking about is from
the Spice World movie, the one where they're on the bus. Yes, again,
I nearly died because, as previously stated, I know a

(15:27):
few of you have been sending us links and we
are going to try them. You can't get that movie anywhere. Yeah,
and so you had a look at the original Spice
World movie, and that is one of my favorite scenes.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I was really agree because they are so bad at acting,
but it's so fun.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
But they're playing themselves, so the scene they.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Which makes it even weirder. That's so bad.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I love that the scene that they played from the
Spice World movie was to show that Victoria loved the
brand gucciet. But the scene you're gonna.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Wear the Gucci dress or the Gucci dress or the
Gucci dress, that's not the line. What is the line.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
The line is they're on their bus. The part the
bus is a huge part of the movie because it's
a normal bus from the outside. But when they get
on the bus, it's it's Harry. It's the size of
this office, and they have their own areas, and they
get on. They're getting ready, and Victorious says, a lie.
My brother quotes this all the time because he grew
watching the Spice Word movie with us. I never know
what to wear, Victoria says, and then Melby goes.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
How evident of like men who've only had sisters.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Anytime one of my sisters are ready to say anything
about getting dressed or getting ready, he says that, why
it's gonna kill me. He doesn't listen.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Come on, it's fine, come on, Andrew, Yeah, give it
a listen.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
And then she says that three times. She goes, it's
such a big decision between the little Gucci dress, the
little Gucci dress or the little Gucci dress and goes
Melci and Victoria goes and she's holding up a little
Guccie dress and she goes exactly, I was really, well,
thank you, I've watched a thousand times clapping, clapping your hair,
and that was to show all of their different personas.

(16:59):
It's the first part of the movie.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Okay, I really want to well.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I know, Okay, we're gonna figure it out. Okay, okay,
no spoilers, no spoilers. So we kind of see the
build up there and we go little bit into like
the Spice Girl's law. But the same time, what you're
also seeing is the moment where she decided that she
didn't want to be a pop star anymore. She kind
of doesn't get into the fact that she did try
to be a solo artist. That does wear the documentary.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Hinted to it, like you see her kind of performing
with like some DJs and stuff, which was news to me.
I had no idea she tried to do a solo thing.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh yeah, I think she actually went the hardest to
be a solo artist. Again, things that the documentary skimmed
over again because I think she's trying to tell the
story she wants to tell, and you're seeing this footage
of her on stage, and the voiceover that she's saying
is like, I realized I didn't want to be there anymore,
and I didn't know what I wanted to do, and
all these kind of things. But what she kind of
skipped over is that she released a solo album and

(17:53):
a lot of singles, and I think singles kind of
did okay ish but no hits, and then the album
did terribly.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Was Jerry getting hits?

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, Jerry came out with a lot of bangers and
like re recorded a lot of hit songs like It's
Rainy Men and then she look at Me, which is
a banger of a pop song. Sometimes I still listen
to I don't know any Victoria's solo songs. I think
I did listen I came out. No they were not
bops and she tried She's not a natural like performer
on stage, Yeah, which is so weird.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Which is what she says in the docco she realized.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
You know how sometimes people say, like if you have
a lot of girls together, they kind of like cancel
each other out, And I think, like when they're on
stage together, I remember her being great, and she was great.
I don't want to take that away from her, but
it's interesting that she couldn't carry that over to a
solo career. Yeah, because she did try. She would tour,
she would go on TV shows and sing, she would

(18:44):
perform like she would really getting out there to sell
her music, and no one was buying it. Again, it
did okay because she's Victoria Beckham, but she didn't really
have any breakout hits. Well.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
She also talked about how she wanted to be more
than just like David Beckham's wife. Yeah, and I feel
like that's where you start seeing her try a lot
of different things and like really push that like entrepreneur
like spirit that she has, like quite harshly in a
way that she was like, I don't care how this
makes me look. I just need to do something different.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, Yeah, it's interesting too, how like there's all those
scenes where you can see her coming out, like when
he was playing for Real Madrid. I think it was
when she's coming in another hotel on the hot pants
and the single it with the bet and she's got
a fake boobs and her hair extensions. I thought that
was one of the interesting things is where she talks
about the fact that she was trying to get attention.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yes, well she was like the o G wag.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, she didn't want to fall out of the conversation.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, oh my god. That whole storyline of her being
a wag was so intense for me.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Really.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
I think it was a fact that like it started
off and you see it in the documentary, like she
was a Spice girl, David Beckham had only just started
out in football, and it was a huge difference in
like fame, and it was she was the most famous one,
like she was one who bought Beckingham Palace.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah. Huge. I thought it was important that he said
all that because, as you know later on, the tables
really did flip. But yeah, when they got together, she
was world famous, like the most famous person in the world,
and he was I had never heard of David Beckham
until he married Torri about them and then like worldwide,
he wasn't famous. I'm sports fans, can you.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
And then like they had that big wedding and she
had Brooklyn and then it's like kind of like switched
after the Spice Girls. When then he just became so
so famous and like everyone was just following his career
and to the point where like everyone loved him so
much that they started hating her. Yeah, because they were like, why,
like she's ruining his career. Yeah, and I'm like, he
lives in her house.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I know. There was that whole thing when people were
angry that she caught and told him he was she
was pregnant right before he went to play like a
really big game, and then people were bullying her because
they thought that her revealing her pregnancy had caused his
team to.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Lose her pregnancy to the father of her child. Yeah,
I have been preparing for the biggest fashion show I
have ever done.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
We were millions in the red. It made me panic.
That just what you felt like when you came to
watch me play football. I want my kids, I'm David
to be proud of me. It's taken so long to
get to this point.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
I'm not gonna let it slips through my fingers again.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
So much about this documentary as just saying it's an
ad for the House of Victoria Becker and I bought
into it. Yeah you did again. You were trying to
buy the T shirt.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
That's yeah, I felt so far. I did what they
needed me to do.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
I'm very conflicted about what I think of her as
maybe not a designer. I mean, she says she designs
them all herself, and I'm sure that's mostly true.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, she confessed she's not a drawer.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, she's I get things we didn't know about until
I'm like.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Oh, maybe I can be in fashion. I can drape, you.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Can drape, you can make a collection.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Well, I can drape on myself, which is what she does.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Think there might be a little bit more to it,
but again we didn't really get to see that and
then inside of it too much. But it's interesting because
so much the documentary, apart from trying to sell her
wares to us, so much of the documentary is saying, like,
you've all misjudged Victoria Beckham. She's this incredible creative force.
No one believed in her, everyone underestimated her, and look
what she can do and look what she's done. And

(22:08):
there was an element of that, Like, I think the
documentary was really pushing this big kind of fairy tale
ending of how she came out on top, but I
was never completely buying that story all the way through.
Why not no one starts a fashion brand? Without huge,
huge investment, Like it's just one of those things you
can't do unless you have a huge It's like becoming
a race car driver. You can't do it unless you
have a huge amount of money. So that doesn't make

(22:30):
her any different. But I think there was so much
in it talking about like the amount of times that
David Beckham had to bail her out with his money.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Really interesting, Like I could kind of feel the embarrassment.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, And not that I'm judging her for that, and
I explaining that, well, I just think that it's twofold
because on one hand, there's more pressure on her because
everyone would have loved to see Posh Spice fail, and
as Anna Wintur who is in the documentary, a lot
of people are pushing her, were pushing her to fail
and stuff. But also so much of her fame is
what brought in the attention and the headlines and the

(23:03):
client base. And then the fact that that company went
for so many years losing such a huge, extreme amount
of money, and the fact that David was bailing her
out and she was spending seventy thousand dollars on office plants.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
And fifteen thousand dollars for someone to water them.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, and flying chairs from one side of the world
and back just because someone liked the beige color of
this cushion, all these crazy things. It's like, I think
what it is is I can hold her up as
a good designer, but I can't hold her up as
a good business woman. And I think that's what she
wanted us to think she was. But I was like,
you're actually doesn't seem like you're that good at business.
You just had enough power and fame and friends and family,

(23:39):
money from your husband well to make good dream.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I think she tried to push because, like in the
documentary she even said like she was so embarrassed that
it got to a point where she was spending so
much ferarualless money that she didn't realize. And like what
was shown but not said, was like these two men
had to essentially bail her out exactly I meant David
Beckham and then her now business partner. It was like
a man as well, I had to like come in

(24:04):
to help her out.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
That's always thinking again again, I don't think that women
have to be held to this heightened sort of sense
of like solo independence, where you're only successful if you
do it completely by yourself.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
And also like you have to be successful at every aspect.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, but I also think there is sometimes that unspoken
thing of like it's like with the spice skills, that's
that idea of like girl Powe. But also it's my
husband's money and my male business partner who came into
as she said, not just give her more money, but
run the business side of it and advise her.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
And even the way he chose to come on was
also a bit icky for me.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Oh with his wife, Yeah, it sounded like a lie.
I'll just say it, that sounded like a lie. Okay,
he said that just for the documentary. I believe it
was a lie because it sounded bad. There's no way
a businessman who has that amount of money and for
that amount of investment, For anyone who's on a cross
out section of the documentary he's talking about he had
turned down becoming a business partner of Victoria Beckham and
she was devastated because it was the last kind of

(25:00):
thing that would save the business. And then he was
taking his wife out on a date and she came
down and looked beautiful and then he's like, oh, why
do you look so beautiful and she said, well, I'm
wearing Victory Corria Beckham and then he decided to invest.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
But there are businessmen who do that. I think it's
so common for like men to do that. Like I
remember hearing stories about a list actors wanting to like
go to One Direction concert and support them because their
daughters really love One Direction. No, I know, but there's
a specific type of persons.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
The difference between going to a One Direction concert and
then investing fifty million dollars into a brand that un lessons.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
But you don't think he actually did that because he
comes across the phone.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I'm sure there was more to it than that. He
was just trying to tell like a fun story.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
For his wife.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
You should do it, And I'm like, okay, I'm worrying
Victoria Beckham. Of course on the day you turn down
the deal.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
God, can someone can someone a list to please listen
to the spill when they're talking to the next.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Business you like, just get some advice.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Get some advice, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, so againshy Victoria beckhams Obviously I do love her,
but maybe this is interesting to kind of see. You know,
if you just saw her success, it would just look
like she had just built this huge, flawless business up
on her own. But the truth of the matter is
it was losing money, which I do I think they
had to address it because I actually think part of
her would have loved to have buried that away. But
it was front page news across every news outlet. The

(26:19):
first time they posted.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
It was like Hubbybales are out.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah. The first time they posted a massive loss, and
then another one, and then word came out that David
Beckham had put more money in, and then the sales
figures came out that they had fallen again.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
And the only thing they didn't mention because but they
also kind of mentioned in the first documentary, I couldn't
work out where the alleged affair happened. Oh, it happened
during that timeline.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
It happened when he first moved to Madrid to play
for Real Madrid and she was still in London with
Brooklyn and Romeo. It happened in that time period.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
But yeah, everyone was still hating her. Yeah, oh no,
I think.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
A lot of time like, well, she deserved it because
she looks.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Mean, Yeah, a sad cow, that's what they ah see. Okay,
So I cried in this documentary, did you yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Okay, wow wow.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
I think it was like the end of episode two,
what was it called Kill the Wag or something to
Kill the Wag at the end of episode two and
she's obviously getting ready for like her first massive, massive
show in Paris outside in the Rain.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I loved those scenes. I was like, you know, I
think everyone wants this tell of Victoria Beckham's life. We're
obviously never going to get that. I would have watched
six hours of just her and her team putting together
that fashion show. It was I felt sooth and my really, yeah,
what's gonna happen to Gid? How's she gonna make it?
Down way?

Speaker 3 (27:43):
I think that's literally like this documentary. I felt like
it's perfect for people who didn't know much about Victoria
Beckett because I just bought into everything.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
That's what a documentary for a point of view.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
And the stakes for me were just so so high,
Like at the end of episode two when everything was
going wrong and she had to remove herself and kind of.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Just like, yeah, I cried what because she would just
overcome with what she was going for.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
And I was like, what if it doesn't happen? What
if the rains really bad, Like I.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Was stretching her Parisian castle.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
I was like been through so much And it was
like also the way they framed it was just so
clever in the sense of like using all those interviews
where people are like banging her out about her looks
and like her weight and being weighed on a scale,
and how she like suffered in eating disorder and like
basically like having to raise children kind of alone because
David was like always overseas allegeds like coving a her,

(28:33):
and just like how for the longest time the world
hated her so much. And she talks about in comparison
with like Eva Longoria, her friend who's like famous actress,
and how she like was so jealous that Eva could
just be herself in front of the cameras and even
until this day, Victoria can't do that. Yeah, she has
to be like change herself completely in front of the camera.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, that's so interesting because for a long time Eva Longoria,
after Desperate Housewives finished, she was just seen as a wag.
She and I can't remember them now. She was married
to a very famous basketball player and they had the
biggest blowout wedding then you have the scene like the
biggest celebrity wedding, like thirty brides maids. She had a

(29:14):
dressed that like, gone, now I think I've got I've exaggerated,
but not my much.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
I think it was the amount of people at my wedding.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
It was around ten. But she has a lot of
sisters and cousins.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
I gotta be like, Manna, you're had.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
And she had this beautiful I remember seeing the picture
of the magazine just being like the train could have
stretched down like the main street outside of this office
with silver and it was this whole huge thing. It
was on the front cover of every magazine. And then
he cheated on her. This wedding was on the front
page of like every magazine. They're on red carpets together,
our producers telling me his name is Tony Parker. How
dare we say that man's name on this podcast? Oh

(29:47):
my god? And she was yeah, but she was like
embraced being a wag. She was like, not that she
wanted to be called that, because she was also like
a business woman, but she was like, I love this man.
I'm going to do anything even though I'm a famous actress.
And then he cheated on her and she was like humiliated.
So I feel like she and Victoria Beckham, even though
Victoria stayed with David, I feel like there's some bonding
over that.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah. I would have bonded. Yeah, I would have wondered hardcore.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
They're just sitting somewhere on the floor drinking there tequila
waters because it's what they drink, because they're like it's
no calories, and like banding over there, cheating sportsman.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
I also found like the little cuts to the children
trying on.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, so we have Harper you know what's
really cute? Harper seven Beckham when she came in to
introduce her mom at the magazine.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Oh my god. That I nearly made me cry again.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know, I thought when she was like, I'm just like,
is this girl out of touch or dor children now
just not know like magazine titles because no one really
reads magazines anymore. When she goes whatage of her, she's
looking around Harper, She's looking around and then she looks
at her mum. She goes, why is harp as bizarre
written all over the walls? And Victoria Becan goes, it's
the name of the magazine that's honoring me, and Harper goes, oh,

(30:54):
I thought it was for me, just like, and then
just goes about her business. And I was like, is
that a kid thing or is that an extremely wealthy
nepo baby thing that she thought they'd just written her?

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Is a kid thing?

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, Like, I know I'm not ragging on half.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
On't but if it's an epper baby thing, come on,
come on, get it together together, teach these kids.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yes, we saw her getting fitted for her dress, which
was very cute. Saw Romeo and his girlfriend, yeah, slinking
in the back O.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
My god, his girlfriend was like locked in. Yeah, she
was like ready to talk, and like every time she
went to talk, so I just kept ignoring away. And
she was like you look beautiful, and.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
She's like thank you, and I was like, no, no, no,
Victoria's had enough with her son's ladies. Yeah, she's like
and she was at the show. But his much older girlfriend,
who's like ten years older than him. I don't know
if they were together because it was a while ago,
but whoever he was with kept getting.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Crude, and David met him giving his two cents and
everyone just ignoring him, like, not just Victoria, but everyone
in that room ignoring Me's like, don't you think that
dress is too long for Harper? And no one says anything.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
David, You're not wanted here, You're just You're he was
here for the money and nothing else.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Even I said in the Doctor, He's like, I like
to give my opinion.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, no one takes it out. Yeah. The stakes of
that fashion show felt so high, I guess because she'd
gone from doing that small showing in just a room
and each year getting a bit bigger, a bit bigger
to an entire Parisian castle that they had rented out
with that outdoor space, and like this, how high the
stakes were. It was so funny because I'd love to
see what Victoria Beckham is like when the camera's not

(32:25):
on her, because I think she's beating in front of
a camera for so long, and she's so curated, and
that's why she never smiles out the street and everything.
So it's such a specific way. And I think she
had given herself a brief before this started that she
was going to come across as warm and caring, But
I get the feeling that she's not like that all
the time, nor should she be, because she's the boss. Yeah,
she doesn't have to be warm and caring. But there

(32:47):
were so many moments where you just see people around
her being a little bit nervous and her being like
overly nice. And I was watching it and I was like,
I just know that she doesn't act like that all
the time. You know how the model was shivering, Yeah,
and she was really cold. And Victoria Beckham herself as
her show's had to start. Everything's happening, She's got hundreds
of people outside. Everyone behind the scenes is running around,

(33:08):
you know, trying to get things together. Everyone needs Victoria.
And she's going and getting the blanket for the model
and she's putting it around her. Then she goes it's
another blanket and she puts it around her and she's
rubbing her and she's like are you okay? Are you okay?
And everyone around her is looking at her being like
what are you doing, which makes me think that she
doesn't normally behave like that.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Well, there was another scene where she tells one of
the designers, Hey, just letting you know the effort I
got to still had the pins in the bra Oh
is that bit? That designer looked like they were going
to die In that moment, she literally looked down, like
as if she's about to cry, and she's like, I'm
so sorry, I'm so sorry, and she's like it's fine,
like it's not an issue because it's me, But it's

(33:46):
an issue if it happens on Friday.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Can I tell you the other thing that I feared
for this woman's life. When the show's going on and
the first few models are going out and one model
comes out and she's holding her hand bag. I nearly
fell off my carriage. I was so strossed. And she's
holding the bag and Victoria's like, that's the wrong bag,
and then she's like, doesn't say anything. And then the
woman comes over who gave her the bag, and she's like,
I'm so sorry. Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I'm

(34:09):
so sorry. I'm so sorry. And Victoria doesn't say anything.
But I'm just saying, has anyone I heard from that
woman since? Or her family? I does anyone know where
she is?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
I felt that in my burns. I felt like I
was going to get fired. It was she didn't even
make eye contact with her.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
No, that's what I mean, not with the camera on them.
So I wonder what actually happens if she's difficult behind
the scenes Victoria Beckham. She's allowed to because she's the boss,
So that's fine. I'm not saying that women are always
like that, but I'm just saying this particular I just
feel like it was very performative for the camera and
you could see how that woman was petrified. And again,
have we seen her since or is she buried under door?

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Running on that run? When that bag off that model?

Speaker 1 (34:50):
What about the model who came in with the scarred knee?
Oh my god. I would have gone and got my
leg chopped off on a new one sewed on before
I came in Paris.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yes, I get it. You're allowed to see the sides
you have. Your one job is to walk down a
runway and have your legs on show. So you decide
to get on a bike.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, and it was actually Paris was all cobblestone and gravel.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
What do you expect is going to happen? I been
to Paris twice in my life and I saw like
eight people fall down.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
You're saying I fell down multiple times.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I haven't. Yeah, because she was sensible and I don't
get on those bikes. That's crazy, not a line bike.
She's like don't even stop.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
No, I know I haven't mine on her own. They
just like, can someone just tell her she's out of
the show.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
If I was Victoria beckhams per I had been like,
hey girl, so you're not in the show anymore, because
your knees are messed up, get out.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
And I bet that did happen. But they tilted the camp.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Luckily she had to wear that crazy skirt that they
weren't too sure about.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Was that skirt keeping up at night? Oh my god,
this is the most stressed I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
You wanttress so kind of like I think the knee
was like a blessing in disky. Yeah, because she got
toward that little pink top with like black pants, the
skirt looked so much better.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I don't mean to put on allegations. Do you think
it was like a Tanya Harding situation? Victoria Beckham paid
someone to go and mess up that woman's pushed. They
pushed her off the bike. She didn't say what happened
on the David David running behind her. He kicks, watch

(36:19):
you weren't in my wife's show. He's like, this is
all my money.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
It's David and her business.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
It's like they wanted him to kick a football so
badly that in the last scene a football just appears
and they make it look like the neighbors part the
neighbors kicked it over, but there's no neighbors around there.
This woman was riding her bike through Paris and David's
on the other side of the river and he just
knocks the.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Footballing for the documentary, Yeah, I've got my one job.
I did to kick this. I need to kick this.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
So they took that. So I just think there's a
lot of people from the Beckham team potentially missing documentary.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Oh, we have find them. But it's fine that model
didn't apologize she was.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Kicked by David Beckham. She's been through enough.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
It's like, okay, what if we were doing like a
live podcast on stage and we would not be allowed
to do because we will say really with their hands
of we have like the whole week we've known that. Yeah,
we've been prepping for her, We've been practicing some for it.
The morning of the podcast, we decide to enter a
screaming competition.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, we're like, let's just do this one thing. We
try and recreate hot ones and just burn our vocal callo.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
We come, and then we call can't talk, so we
have to text you to be like hey, Manisha a producer,
So we don't have any vocal cards anymore, so we
can't talk. And then we get there and we're like, hey, I.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Love how you giving this woman who's probably getting paid
like ten dollars for like a thirty hour work week,
tuned over two days, giving her this villain villain origin
story in the background.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, who knew. I don't know it was gonna come
out of me. Well there, you forgot about that story
aloud until you brought it up.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Well, clearly you've been thinking about it a lot. The
other villain there, I'm gonna say, was Anna Win Tour.
At least she kind of speaks to her mind because
she gets there and she is you got two castles, David. Yeah, no, no,
I'm going to say something about Anna Win Tour. So
when she gets she's clearly not happy to be there,
and she makes it of a statement that every designer
thinks that their show is the show, and every designer

(38:17):
wants you to drive four hours to their castle and
the countryside, and that's important on Friday night exactly in
the pouring trent or rain and then make you walk
down six flights of crumbling stairs. She could have killed
on a winter great for documentary views. Oh my god,
she nearly toppled over it, and she could have.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Fallen on the model and she would have scraped out.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
And me taken out.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Can you imagine Nicola, They're all gone.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Imagine that book guy who's like sweeping the rain. He
doesn't know what the bodies is about to deal with.
So anyway, and WINTI it didn't die the show spoiler
all for anyone who was the documentary, But she does
sort of say that like for her and her colleagues,
they're doing like all the fashion week circuits and so
by this to work, they're tied. Yeah, they have gone

(39:06):
so many venues and shows and travel or they just
want to see the clothes and get there, and she
didn't want to drive to a castle. And then she's
angry about the rain, and so she says that Victoria
is facing a crowd that's not very happy with her. Yeah,
which I think she's kind of doing that to set
the scenes and be like, I'm not happy with her
that too, But I think she's setting the scene a
little bit, so that when the show is received well,

(39:27):
it's kind of like even more important because she had
more obstacles stacked against her.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
The funny thing is is that everyone in the team
is way way more nervous about Anna Winter than they
are about Victoria. Like when Anna Winter's trying to make
a joke where I think one of the assisteans comes
to her and be like, oh, we have to seat
you at the other castle, and she's like to David,
oh you have two castles. Yeah, and he just ignores her.
And then she's coming down the slippery steps and she's like, oh,

(39:52):
it's a bit wet over here, and they just fully
are like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
They're like if we just don't mention it, she won't
pick it up. But then she's sitting with David at
the show. Here's my thing. I don't know if Anna
Wintle liked the clothes because she didn't really say, but
you know what she did like sitting next to David,
she was having the time of her.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Her body was turned towards him. He wasn't even looking
at her.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
He was putting on a show. He had one job
that night. He's ignoring his children and various sexual partners
sitting next He's like, I'm not dealing with that right now,
and he was focusing all his attention on Anna. And
I think that David Beckham can be quite a charming man.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
What I would do have a dinner with David him.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Be saying the whole and he was. I think he's the.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Type of person that will make no matter who he's
like with, feels so so comfortable, even if it's like
going out of his debt to do so, like he
would do that.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
But I also think he was protecting I'm just saying
he doesn't like Anna Wintare. They've been pictured together a lot.
They're in with the royal family, they're in with like
the crowd in London and New York, the fashion crowd,
like they're in it together. So I'm sure that he
does like her, But I also think he was protecting
his investment because he was like, the better time she has,
the better she's gonna like these clothes because she's already
upset that she had to drive and she's rained on.

(41:00):
And so he is like doing almost a stand up
comedy routine. If if you look at the shots in
the background, he's telling her jokes. He's got his hands
in the air, he's smiling at her, he's leaning in.
She's not even looking at the clothes, just looking at
David Beckham's face. Yeah, and that's why I think she
liked the collection. He did his job, because she had
a wonderful time. So then there's that moment at the
end where you probably cried again where they're all like

(41:23):
behind the scenes and celebrating and hugging Victorio. She looks
like she's about to cry because she's finally a success.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Cry. Well, what's making her the money is actually her
beauty brand, which I thought was interesting. It was kind
of just touched on but then skating.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah, we've talked about her beauty brand quite a few
times on the Spill, mainly because she does like the
piece to camera videos with David Beckham in the bed
behind her. Very good marketing, great marks. If anything, she's
great at marketing. She knows what she's doing. Oh yeah, Yeah,
it was just the beauty brand. The whole thing was
just really interesting because it's just like and we have
this as well.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, but it was giving people like a more affordable
touch point and also the fact that she was able
to market through her own social videos, and that was
a big time. When Victoria Beckham started going live and
started doing makeup tutorial we never saw her otherwise, Yeah, exactly.
It was like the only she allowed herself to be
like a little less curated.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I do feel like she was being very reserved in
front of the camera through the whole documentary and that
they were trying so hard to like to make it
seem like you were seeing the real Victoria. Yeah, but
I don't even think she knows what that is anymore. Oh,
I think she's so she's been scrutinized for so long
she's been playing.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
She's like kind of like this I'm home with her family.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
To an extent, like she's very kind of I don't know.
It's hard to say because Eest's little siffens now, but
there are like clips of her like on other reality
shows or behind the scenes footage and things from like
the last twenty years where she is a lot more
outspoken and a lot less kind of like a lady
of the manner.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
No matter what, every time he talks about her, he
always like hones in on like how funny and smiley
and laughing and goofy she.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Is, yeah, and I'm sure that's all true. I get
it doesn't go with her kind of persona. There's a
viral clip that was going around where she was filming
for something and her person with her when they were
doing like she's just like sitting up on the kitchen bench,
like she's got makeup on, but she's not all done up,
talking about people they wouldn't want to come to a
dinner party. And the person says Eddie Murphy and she's like, oh,
cause you know, Eddie Murphy did that terrible stuff to
Melby and wouldn't admit that the baby that she had

(43:19):
was his Nancy Attorney test and he was saying he
didn't date her, but he did date her all these things,
and Victoria Beckham's like, oh, I wouldn't want to hear.
I'd punch him in the face, like cut his dick off,
all this sort of stuff. And I was like, where's
that Victoria Beckham. That's how she talks to her friend.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Even Gloria is a good time from what we've seen,
She's not hanging out with a boring person, So Victoria
Beckham must be fun. It's just that she's not well.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
David says, she's from It's funny because he always says
she's fun and she never says it about herself.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, she just says that she's kind of She's.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Like, I smile. Guys, you just don't see it.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
What did you think about how she talked about her
eating disorders and her body in the documentary, because I
was a little conflicted about all that. Oh were you well?
I just think, like I know that she was really
raped over the coals, as she's saying, from a young age,
like in dancing school she was told that she was
too big to be a dancer. And then I think
when she was first like getting into the Spice Girls,

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because she would also wear the little Gucci dresses, people
would really pick her body apart if she didn't look perfect.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
And so, and she was also pregnant during that Yes.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
As real she got smaller and smaller, and then she
was weighed on TV after she gave birth to Brooklyn.
That was all awful, but at the same time, it's
just hard because she's both a victim of this toxic
diet culture and these terrible expectations and a perpetrator of.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
It through her fashion line.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Through her fashion line, through the way she speaks through
just it's like she's very complicit in that smaller that's
so much better. And I think she wanted to sort
of say like, hey, guys, I went through this, and
it's like, yes, we know, but I don't know. But
the thing is, she used to completely deny it. She
used to completely Again, I understand because you're having a
whole life dissector. There's things happening behind the scenes, and

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you're and you're so much younger, Like you know, when
you're in your fifties, you would be able to say
you have more clarity and I think more strength and
when you do in your twenties. But she always used
to deny that she had anythings, she's any kind of
eating disorder. She also used to say that she ate.
A lot of people just didn't see it. And there
was a time when, remember David Beckham were on a
food podcast and he was talking about how much he

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loves to go out for dinners and things, and he's like,
it's one of the greatest sadnesses of my life that
I want to have dinner with Victoria or share food
with her, and she doesn't eat and it became like
worldwide news because the stance from the Beck and Camp
had always been like she eats so much, how dare you?
So it was the first time they had alluded to
anything like that, and even the documentary, I thought it
was interesting that he said to her as they were

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going out to that dinner, do you want a chocolate?
And he pulls a chocolate out and she's like.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Chop in twenty years yeah, which is insane.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Again, because how do you avoid that?

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Well, sometimes I have chocolate accident. Oh my god, know
how to have.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
It's just in the well, we have some pretty good
snack draws.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
It's like sleepwalking.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, you just eat some chocolate. It's interesting because I
think she was trying to sort of It's like the
curtain's fallen a little bit and she's like, I'm going
to let you guys see how I actually act in
real life, which is that I don't eat. Yeah, because
that's always been the kind of stance there.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah, that was a bit uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, I just maybe wish they delved a little more
into it.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
And but like she drinks yeah, which I like. I
feel like I feel like a bit uncomfortable where it's
like seeing her consume like alcohol quite consistently, yeah, like casually,
like out at events and stuff, but like never ever
seeing any food around her. I feel like, but I
don't know if that was like telling like they did
that on purpose.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
It's more that I just wish they had kind of
delved into it a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
So.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
I'm like, if you're going to acknowledge it in a way,
and obviously there's so much more to the story, maybe
say it a bit more and also talk a little
bit about how now, with your brands and the persona
you put out and the models you choose and the
photos you choose and the products that you work with
and all this sort of stuff, that you are keeping
this tradition of thin only thin is best, everyone must

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not eat. You're keeping that going, yeah, even though you're
talking about how damaging it is. And then she was
saying like, but I don't like halfer cny of that
because I don't want her to grow up like that,
which I think is super important. And that's why I
think when she's got the Victoria Beckham dress on and
she's trying it on for the event, for the runway,
you can just see Victoria going it only matters if
you're comfortable. If only matters if you're comfortable. Yeah, And

(47:22):
I just don't thinking about how eating disorders get passed
between families. I'm just like, is that what you're saying
behind the scenes. I don't know. I didn't get enough.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Well, I mean, like Harper will watch this, Yeah, so
it's like she will see.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
It, but also she would have seen it, like she's
gone off with it being her mother, like if she's
she still has an eating disorder or something like we
just don't know, but like if it's in the house,
then you're going to see it. I just I don't know.
I feel like Victoria Beckham for so long was like
the face of this movement of skinny is Best, and
then she was the face of like this is what
we do to women in the public eye and all
these things. Like she's been that for over thirty years.

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I just wish they would have touched on that a
bit more.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah, So should we like is she meant to like
pick aside?

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I don't know if I want her to pick a side.
And I also don't want her to say like.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Because I agree. I think what she's doing is like
she's being very careful of like not trying to sound
like a hypocrite. And it's interesting, like the eating disorder,
Like when she was talking about the eating disorder, it
sounded like so horrific what she went through and like
what the public was saying about her and her body
and stuff like that. But I think it's also really

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hard to talk about it like that but while you're
still also probably going through it.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yeah exactly, Like that's not I mean, I feel like
she's still really in the throes of it, but she
wouldn't say that, Yeah, because because.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Doesn't that also like it just like adds another layer
of damage.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, exactly. It doesn't also fit with the message of
the documentary was like it's meant to be like this
fairy tale ending, like look at her. She's great now,
she's a successful business, great family, she's so healthy and happy.
Everyone loves her. Like that were really trying to hit
you over the heir with that message, and so talking
about the fact that she might still have an eating disorder, again,
we don't know, but we're just kind of going off
things that she says in the documentary. All the fact

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that she really perpetrates that idea in fashion and beauty
that Thinness is best because of her fashion line not
being sized inclusive, and her the models she's choosing, and
just just everything about it. I'm not expecting Victoria Beckham
to fix that problem, which she's only one person, one rich,
powerful person, But I just felt like it was a
bit of a missed opportunity. And I think it's because

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the documentary is from her and she got to pick everything,
and I would have loved to see what a documentary
maker who could come in and just tell the story
as a third party with.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Like most celebrity documentaries where they are like the creator,
the producer, the direct Like it's doesn't feel like it's
not true, right, Yeah, but I think it feels you're
just watching like a movie exactly. But I think that's
going back to what we were saying at the top
of the episode, is like you've got to watch it
in just the spirit it was intended. Yeah, And the
spirit it's intended is that it's meant to be how

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Victoria Beckham wants us to see her, the same way
Miss Americana was about how Taylor Swift wants us to
see her and all these other famous people who put
out documentaries and it's like they're doing an Instagram dump.
It's a snapshot of how they want to be seen
and a curation of their lives. And it's a highlights reel.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
That's what it is.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
It is.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
It's a highlights with a few like when you're doing
an Instagram dump, you always like to put a few
like out of focus shots in there to show that
you're real.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
It's a great description.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
With your glossy shot a girl. Yeah, to show that
you're a real girl. I think that's what the slubs do.
They put a few messy moments.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
And they learned from the best.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
They need to get you in there to actually exactly
let me direct this on the final point. So we
end the documentary with David and Victoria in their expansive ground.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
I found that really funny. Did you why well, explain
the grounds? Explain the ground?

Speaker 1 (50:41):
There are an extensive grounds in their home and the
cotswolves yeah, palace rid of Beckingham Palace. Beckingham Palace was
the home that they bought when they were first got together.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
You know how David's talk at the fact that everyone
in his family wanted him to marry like a Manchester
and Manchester got a non famous girl because I guess
they wanted a woman who would just be a wife,
and so he married like the most famous woman in
the world. But they were just in love. And then
you had that scene where they're walking together, and then
I just feel like so much was cut out there. Yeah,
because it's like they're walking together and he kicks the.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Foot mesure we're seeing his big garden.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah, I was seeing his garden. He kicks the football
to the fake neighbors, and then they're sitting down and
it's like she has this breakdown to him, apologizing for taking.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Him, a literal two minute breakdown, And then I was fine.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
What I mean, I feel like there must have been
a leader or is she just that good of an
actress and Spicy World lied to us she's a great actress.
I don't know. I just I feel like.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I thought it was quite interesting. And the part that
I laughed at is like when he was like questioning
her and being like, why do you put so much
pressure on yourself? Like who are you doing this for?
And she's like, I'm doing it for you, And I
can just imagine him going, no, I don't say that.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Yeah, I'm doing it for you. It's like, you cost
me so much money.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
He's like, no, and that makes me look like the
bad guy. I think you're doing it for yourself.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Well, that's the other question I want to ask you.
A lot of people have come out of this thinking
that David Beckham has come out of this badly, thinking
that he's like a walking red flag, and that he's
not on Victoria's team. Oh, that's the kind of insinuation there,
that he's sort of working against her.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
I think he's on her team. I just don't think
he really knows what team she's on. I think he's
a bit confused. I think no one briefed.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Him or on what the message of the doctor was.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
So he just came across weird. He's like, Harper's dress
is too long. My parents wanted me to marry Manchester girl.
I didn't have any money, and yet I invested into
this massive company. Now I was also part of this. Yeah,
and then all of this was because she was doing
it for me. You know, she was doing it for
a time.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, He's like, we could have just been raising chickens
and cooking. We've got so much money.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
You don't get that much airtime.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
He's had his go Winter. Yeah, he's just there to
be the eye candy fan of Winter. What a job.
I thought it was quite romantic where he was like
when we first got together, there's not one thing about
her I didn't like. I loved every single thing he's like.
Now there's a few things I don't like. Yeah, I
was kind of kick something. You guys, it's a very married,
married couple. Yeah. Oh no, we drank the kool over.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I don't really think he's on her team. Yeah, I
just think I think people are fishing. Oh really Yeah,
come on, all she wants us to do is by
a freaking lip whiner.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Yeah, would you all going to do?

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yea?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
So overall, I think it was an interesting look into
Victoria Beckham's life, and honestly, I just want more of everything.
I want more of her time with the Spice Girls.
I want more of it. When the Spice Girls were
in it, yet a lot of people were saying, your friends,
what about when she says that the one thing that's
really stuck with her, she's like one of the other girls. So,
referring to the Spice Girls, said something to me that

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I won't let go. Then she goes it was Melby
where she's like, don't forget where you came from, and
Victoria is like, I've never forgotten.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
I've never forgotten where I've came from.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Well, because that is what she said. Okay, now, don't
read into this.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Okay, but she'm not reading this my eyes.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
You're not reading. Your eyes are closed. Just accept this
information with an open mind. Okay, we're not starting rumors. Okay,
but I've open She said those things about Melby and
the documentary. She has previously talked about the fact that
she and Melby had a few run ins over the years.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
She had in a bad way.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
That way rememb when they first got in the band
together and Melby thought she was a stuck up cow.
Oh yeah, but they've been friendsance anyway. Victoria Beckham for
this documentary just recently had a big premiere. Jerry was there,
mel C was there, and the Bunton was there and
Melby was not there. You look so upset.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Wait, maybe because she lives in Australia and it took
too long together.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
See lives in Australia. Well, she's touring at the moment,
lived here. No, she used to coming here and host everyone. Yeah,
oh so she can do it well, apparently she's overseas
working somewhere.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
But wait what, I'm just she invited.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
I'm sure she was. All the girls were invited.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I don't know that the other girl who didn't make
it story that.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Do you mean Michelle Steven?

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Sorry Spice skull who Sorry Michelle, she's been through Sorry
if anyone does know Michelle.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
She was the original girl picked for the Spice Skulls
and she dropped out just before they became famous.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
It's something about Michelle's and girls group, Michelle and Destiny Child.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah Michelle, Yeah, por Michelle, that's our new shorthand. When
someone does something bad, Pelle look to be honest. The
Spicekills have been through so much, and they have been
through every type of controversy, every kind of fight, every
kind of situation from like abusive husbands to like infertility
and like awful headlines about them and fight. This is

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what I'm saying. I'm sure they are going to be fine.
She either couldn't go because she was working, or they're
in a spat, but they'll work it out. That the
Spice girls always work it out.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
They do I stand the moral of the story always
work it out.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
They really really do so. Overall, I thought it was
an interesting look into Victoria Beckham's life. I just wanted more,
but maybe I'll just receive the message that she wanted
to do.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
I feel like if we go out and buy some
makeup together, we'll be into it. We'll feel better.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Stay tuned for a review of Victoria Beckhams.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
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bill is produced by Amnitia Swirn, with sound production by
Scott Stronnick. Have a great weekend.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Bye,