December 29, 2025 • 36 mins
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Sirens, starring Meghann Fahy, Milly Alcock, and Julianne Moore, has been one of the most-watched TV shows in Australia for the past week, so now it’s time for a brutally honest (and very emotional) review.
From where the story began, how it was adapted for Netflix, and what the cast really went through bringing this story to life on screen (let's just say the main actress lost some toe nails) we’re here to talk through all the behind the scenes stories that will change the way you see Sirens.
We also need to talk about those glaring plot holes in the series, the unexpected scene that gave us chills, Kevin Bacon's villain story, and then unpack exactly what happened in that surprise finale scene, along with why the show needs to come back for a second season.
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And welcome to a very special episode The Spill. Oh,
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Speaker 1 (01:31):
Because this is a.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Brutally honest review and it's a brutally honest review of
a show that we know you've all watched. It's been
number one in Australia on Netflix for weeks now. It's
very buzzy. It's Sirens on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Now.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
We did do a weekend watch on this and this
was one of the ones that I was talking about
and I loved it, finished it very very quickly, so
we have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, and it's definitely one of those shows that.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Is perfect for a brutally honest review exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
And if you're new here or you've just, I don't know,
had Anesia or something and you've forgotten Anesia was always
a big thing in Soapropera's as a kid, so I
always have that front of mine when thinking about life's
big problems. So really honest reviews is where we go
through a TV show or movie, whatever's really buzzy that
everyone's talking about, and we go through the characters, the
plot points, what we loved, what we hated, little secret
(02:22):
behind the scenes things that you might not be aware of.
But we also go very deep into the ending. So
just to note, there will be quite a few spoilers.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
This is this is a spoiler filled episode.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes, okay, so Siren, So okay, what.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
We're gonna do is I'm gonna start off with I'm
going to tell you the cast, yes, and we're going
to just talk a bit about the characters. So first
of all, we've got Meghan Fayye as Devon Dwatt, and
she is sort of our key character. She kind of
plays she's an alcoholic, she's kind of down in the
dubson all. She works at like a flufful restaurant. But
she's kind of our key character. You would know her
(02:57):
from like Lotos obviously. Then we've got Millie Alcock who
is Simone de Witt and she is Devon's sister, So
Simone and Devon's sisters. Simone is Mikayla's personal assistant, so
she is the one that is being on this island.
Mikayla is played by Julianne Moore who we loved also
known as Kiki, So she's the billionaire. She's Simon's boss.
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It kind of the series starts, says that kind of
being this cult like feeling, and she is the one
who rules them all to use a bit of.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
A Lord of the Rings preference. And she's a former lawyer.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
But the reason she's so wealthy is because she married
Kevin Bacon's character, Peter Kel, and he kind of comes
from old money CEO of Kel Securities, and they own
this massive property.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
They've got all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Everything is done and the show kind of plays on
over the course of like a weekend.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It's over the course of a weekend.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Like a long weekend.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It's like Labor Day and Labor Day weekend, and Labor
Day in America is like this big deal, like don't
wear white after Labor Day.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Like I never really understood that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I think it's that's a rabbit hole we don't need
to go down.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But basically it's set on this island, set over a weekend.
The first episode is kind of really culty.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
It feels very like almost white loadus see bit little liesy,
which is what I said. It now sort of we
can watch, but it's based on a play, so yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Sirence is created by Molly Smith Meltzer and she's you know,
she wrote the show. She's the creator, executive producer. It's
basically her baby and Sirens on Netflix is actually based
on her twenty eleven play element O p and the
story pretty much follows the TV show, except that in
the stage play, I believe that Devon's character just comes
to visit her sister and it doesn't have as kind
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of much the dark intrigue that we see in the
Netflix series.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Do you know what I love about this though, is
Molly Smith Meltzer has created this play twenty and eleven
and it wasn't like it was.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
A massive run on Broadway or anything. This play was
in like some small towns.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
She's now created it into this hit Netflix TV show,
So like bravo, because she really nailed it this series.
Is I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, I loved it as well. And I feel like
you can tell when something's been adapted from a play
rather than a book or like an old movie or something,
because the dialogue is so and obviously with a play,
especially like a small play like this. Apparently they only
had one set for the play, so it's only in
the guest house and it's people coming in and out
of the guest house, so the dialogue has to carry
the entire story. And I think that's why the dialogue
(05:35):
in the show is so snappy and smart and emotive,
and there's not a lot of big stunts or there's
a lot of big step pieces, and it's not overly physical.
It's basically just the dialogue back and forth.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I kind of want to start with like the relationship
between the system, Yeah, which.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Is so beautifully set up in the first episode. So
you have Devin's character. And I kind of love this
for Megan Fahi because we first got to know her
as Sutton in The Bold Type and she's a fashion girl,
she's glam, she's gorgeous, and then we got to know
her again and White Lotus playing Daphne, where she's glam
and gorgeous, and then in the movie horror movie Drop,
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she is most of the time just wearing a velvet jumpsuit,
so she's all glam and beautiful in that. I think
this is the first time we've seen her be like
the bad girl, wrong side of the tracks, messed up
kind of character.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I think she does a really nuanced job of playing
because she is playing an alcoholic but in a very
and I'm going to use quotes here quote unquote functional
alcoholic way, and that's kind of a really big part
of her story. Is like she's kind of at home
with her father who's been diagnosed with Alzheimer's.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
He's deteriorating quick quickly.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
She's using that as a way to help, you know,
soothe herself. Her sister was you know, basically the reason
that Simone left this family and hasn't spoken to her
father in ten years is because of the way her
mother died, and so the relationship between the sisters is tense,
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but there's also Devon being almost replacing that motherly role,
but Simone dealing with her trauma in a very different
way by kind of wanting to detach herself from it exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
And it's such an interesting setup of this dynamic because
you sort of see Devin this messed up well, and
then she comes home and there's the edible fruit basket
on the front steps of this like sort of dark
and dingy suburban home they're living in, and she just
snaps and decides to travel like nearly twenty four hours
to where Simone's working. And I think when you kind
of get the idea of that this is more a
(07:41):
dark comedy than a mystery is that first scene on
the Fairy, you know, and she's going over she's got
the fruit basket and the guy who works on the
fairy says to her, like, you can't smoke, and she's like, well,
I'm gonna have to put something in my mouth and
goes in the back and gives him a blue job.
But I think that's when you know this is going
to be a special show.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
That was a great line, great line, and then she
is kind of this like care free chick.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
And the first few episodes.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I think initially when you go into this, you're like,
this is about a could this is about getting a
girl out of a cult. But it becomes something very
very different to that. Because I thought when I first
started watching it, I was like, this is going to
be like a very formula, like this person's evil. Like
I wasn't expecting the way that it started to pan out,
(08:28):
and it happens quite slowly considering it's only a five
part series.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, I mean I wonder if that's because like it
was obviously a certain thing when it was a stage play,
and then I think she sold it in a time
where people really want these kind of mystery box TV shows,
which I think when you go into Sirens, you think
it's that classic mystery box. There's going to be like
the whole point of the show is to unravel like
who is the murderer, who is the dead body, and
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something we've seen happen with shows like White Lotus. But
the more you watch Sirens, you're like, oh, it's not
supposed to about the mystery. They've used that as like
a marketing hook. It's not supposed to be about who's
evil and who's the it's who's done something. It's meant
to be a character study.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Well because in like the third episod so and this
is again we're only like halfway through the third episode.
Simone has this dream about, you know, her boyfriend being
impaled on these sticks and then she runs and the
whole first like I would say two and a half
three episodes is all about it's really setting you up
for Mikayla Kiki as a murderer. This is a cult
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and all of these women are like there is some
special power.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
The scene where she like she gets like knocked out
and then she like kind of comes.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
To it's like welcome, were take you shopping?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, that's an It's really like all these mister x
through it. And they really set that up when Devin
first arrives at this like palatial mansion. I know, I
said this one we talked about previously, but the physical
comedy there from Megan Fahi is incredible. When she's like
that scene of her like stumbling down with this fruit
basket that's now in tatters and like lying on the
ground and drinking out of the hose, and when she
and Simone have their first meeting and just they really
(10:05):
hold the camera there for a long time with these
two sisters because I think they're trying to show you,
like how different their worlds are, because Devin looks like
a mess, but she looked like a mess we first
got to meet her, and she's also slumped over. Her
shoulders are hunch. It's such a different way for Megan
fay he to stand. And then Millie Oldcock's character Simone
is like so pristine, looks like a Stepford wife. He's
very Stepford why and like she's holding her shoulders back
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and she's and her arms are so rigid by her
side and they just like they look like two completely
different beings who shouldn't even know each other. So the
fact that their sisters really sets up the kind of
of the drama from that.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
And we kind of get in those first couple of
episodes this really wounded Bird and did you from Simone,
which shifts so drastically as the show progresses.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
This is my sister. I didn't know you existed. Trust me,
Simona are very close. And why didn't she tell me
about you? Where are your tattoos?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I remove them?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Are imagine sister tattoo? Kiki said it was trashy.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Mikaela bitch has her talent so deep in your brainy
that you can't even.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Tell you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
This is the happiest I've ever been.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We've got to get out of here. Let's talk a
little bit about Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yes, because you know, a good show always has Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I love Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, he's good. He kind of plays the same character
and everything, but but.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I think he's good in this so I mean, initially, again,
he's kind of it seems like he is just going
along for the ride, like he's the one that he
doesn't really like what Julianne Moore, what Kieky's doing. He's
not really into the whole vibe of it. He's like
smoking joints up in his little house.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Even though it's his home and his friends, his life,
and his every staff yea, his.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Key, very key, his staff. There is this whole thing
that like he's the chill one, and then that sort
of starts to like shift and change. And for me,
the moment I realize that there was going to be
something different with Kevin Bacon was when they went clamming
(12:17):
and then you kind of sense his sexual tension between
him and Simone. That was the moment for me where
I was like, something's off with this guy.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, Well that's the thing is like it's always the
classic kind of oh, I'm a good guy. I'm like
the you know, I'm one with my staff and the
people and stuff. And they do kind of set him
up from the beginning like he's cheating on her, and
you do think that that's a pretty expected thing from
a storyline like that, especially knowing how these two characters
got together that started cheating. And then obviously the reveal
goes on that he's visiting his family, so they sort
(12:47):
of try and circumvent that whole thing of like him
being the good guy. And then you know, when we
talk about the ending, we'll get into that, because at
the end of the day, he does come across as
the villain to an extent.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
One hundred percent, but the way it's been set up
is that he's just like this easy going dude. Yeah,
there is something really interesting about it when you know
they're talking about the Praine up and you know, the
only way that Julianne Moore can get out with any money,
Kiki can get out with any money is if there
is cheating involved. So there's almost this point where it's
(13:18):
like she's like, I kind of want him to be
cheating on me, and I need to find evidence of it.
And then there's the clamming thing when he kisses her,
and that's for me when it all shifted. Oh really,
that's when I was like, Kiki's protecting herself, She's trying
to find a way out without being.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
That's interesting. I got in a different way where she
was so kind of like wanting to stay in this marriage,
but she was so aware that she had got him
in this way of like him cheating with her first,
so she's so aware of Kim cheating and kind of
ruining this perfect life on the outside they've created. And
then I thought it was in the prenup it was
like she only gets money if they had children, but
(13:59):
she never had children, so she's really got no safety
net without him. But it's so funny because that obviously
comes later in the show. In the first part of
the show, you'll really led to believe that she is
this cult leader and actually, this is what kind of
this was kind of one of the bad parts of
the show. I thought they were so wanting to lean
into this idea of like did she murder his ex wife?
Is she a cult leader? Does she have like magical
(14:20):
mind control powers? Is she drugging people? Is this like
an offshoot of Nine Perfect Strangers? Because there are some
things that are like a little bit unexplained in terms of.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Like, yeah, I think that the one Meghan Vehi wakes
up in the car and then like when she's kind
of hypnotized, because if you don't know what the mythology
of a siren is, which I ensure you would, it's
it's they are like mermaid like creatures that sing to
sailors basically to lure them to their deaths.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You know, that is that the mythology of a siren.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
So even the title of the show is implicating the
insinuating that these women have this kind of power over men.
And there is that scene when they're all getting dressed
up and it's like, well, you look into your power
and they're all talking at the same time, and you know,
i used to be a nail tech, but now I've
got this rich husband. So it's almost like this cult
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of finding a rich husband.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, exactly, And it's that a whole thing of like
that play on Sirens is like almost quite literal in
a way. That's interesting because at first you're meant to
think that Kiki is like that traditional siren and she's
got this control over her husband to lure him away
from his wife, and she's got control over everyone who's
in the house, and she uses it on Devon's character
and kind of like almost has like memory loss, but
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mostly you're meant to think that she has it over Simon.
And I think the way that they said their relationship
is interesting because you're meant to think that they have
this inappropriate relationship and like not sexual. I mean maybe
some people thought that. I guess the whole idea is
that you're not meant to know that. It was almost
like this kind of like she had a power over her,
that she had like forsaken her family and likestaken her life,
and you think that there's something more sinister happening behind
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the scenes.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, And I think it was that, you know that.
I think it was one of the first episodes when
they like sleeping in the bed together, like that was.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
A weird moment.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
No, But I mean, on reflection, I think I understand
where that all came for it. But basically we're kind
of talking about like a very close relationship between a
boss and her pa.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, knew. What was weirder than the bed scene was
the first moment I was like, what is this show?
Is when they were going into the party and Kiki goes,
how's my breath? And someone goes, it's perfect, how's my breath?
And she's like, oh, not great, take my gum and
she pulled the gum. Kiki pulls the gum out of
her mouth and puts in Simone's mouth and Simone choos it,
and I'm like, why is that the dirtiest thing I've
ever seen.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I know, you're a bit of a gem.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I would have died.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I mean, I definitely wouldn't do something like that.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
But that's a very intimate theory that usually only like
people and like a sexual relationship.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And I wouldn't do that with my husband.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, because don't share a gum.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I don't gum with hair.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I don't know what married people do, but I just
know your gum back. But it's a very intimate thing,
like even best friends wouldn't do that, let alone.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I have it in my kids half masticated food.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I mean that's just survival, right, Yeah, that's different. So
that's okay, we'll give that a pass.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
And also the fact that she did that, Samon doesn't
even flinch. She actually looks grateful. It's almost like a
mother bird. It's the symbolism of like a mother bird
feeding a baby bird, and Simone be looking at her
with like love, like thank you for taking care of me.
And that was the first moment in the pilot where
I was like, oh, something is really weird with this show.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Okay, but what about so I kind of picked up
on Kevin Bacon being like kind of shady, Yeah, and
I started to feel but I didn't start to feel
any empathy for Kiki until like almost like the last episode.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, it's different because for so long there she does
feel like the manipulator, and you never feel maybe other
people did, but I never feel really kind of empathy
for her throughout the show, maybe because she always looks
like so unflappable and everything is perfect, and she's this
kind of crazy person. And I think all of your empathy,
it's like it changes during the show. Like the first
part of the show, all your empathy goes to Devin
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because she's obviously in a terrible place where she's battling alcoholism.
She's looking after her father who has dementia and is
like losing all his memories and having to be a career.
She's lost her sister who she gave up her life
to look after. And she also has this kind of
interesting situation where she's replaced alcohol because he's trying to
be sober. She's replaced it with intimacy and sex with men,
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which keeps them manifesting in like these different ways where
in the first half it's almost like she's the siren
in a way too, because she's luring like her ex
boyfriend who she's cooking up with her boss, like luring
him away from his wife to do her bidding. And
then she goes into the hotel and she lures like
the guy who is the captain of the ship, and
they and again.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Not so subtle, like linked to a siren, because captains
of boats exactly, sailors were the ones they got, Lord
gar because then they got they were sung.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
They lured to the rocks and then there were chips
would crash and then they.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Would all exactly. So it's that idea. It's very literal
the manipulation of men. And even when she's in the
guest house and she goes to have a drink and
you see her battling and then she goes out and
finds the gardener and hooks up with him, and it's
almost like and I kind of wish that storyline had
come to an end or ahead or something not that
expected that she would be like, oh, I'm so cute
of my sex addiction.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Now I'm like, yeah, a person, there's definitely a couple
of threads that I think could still be explored. Yeah,
as we move through the episode, we've got everything is
kind of building up to this garlict her rise and
at the gala dinner, everybody's like things start to kind
of really go awry. Yes, Kiki has this photo of
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Simone and Kevin Bacon and also, I'm never going to
call him just Kevin. He's Kevin Bacon always. There's the
photo of him, and she puts it, you know, in
a safe and she's like, this is my security.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, and then there's like all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
She fires Simone, Simone gets kicked off, She's like devastated
leading up to this garla. Everybody gets kicked out, and
then Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Figures all of this out, Yeah, comes and its kind
of bad. Yeah. The Simone character is really interesting because
I I guess she she's the one really who's holding
in maybe more secrets than the others because Devon's like
all out on the table. She said everything, like she
says everything that comes into her head. So she's never
hiding anything really except from herself in a turmoil. And
then Julianne Moore's character Kiki, like you're meant to think
(20:25):
that she's hiding something, but as the show goes along,
you're like, I don't know everyone in this place knows
her entire backstory. There's no kind of mystery there. But
it's really Simone's character that has been again almost a
siren of like she calls everyone in to like not
just manipulate, but like take care of her wounded bird. Yeah,
the whole wounded bird. And like we see little dead
birds in this so it's like as he takes in
(20:46):
these wounded birds, she also takes in Simon. And you
kind of see Simone's story change in this really interesting way,
and you see all the lies she's told about, like
her mother being First of all, she's saying her mother
died in a car accident. To find out this horrific
thing of her mother tried to kill herself, well did
kill herself, but had her in the car and all
the stuff that happens. And I think it's such an
interesting performance from Millie ol'clock, who is an Austraie actress
(21:08):
who first rose to prominence in that show with Tim Minton. Upright,
she's so good in that and then went to be
on House of the Dragon and she's also starring a
Supergirl soon, and I think it's kind of interesting. I
was watching a whole bunch of interviews with Millie and
I thought it so interesting that she said this is
the first time she's ever really lost herself in a
character and that it kind of rebuilt her confidence as
(21:30):
an actress, because when she was on House of the
Dragon on her first few days of filming that show,
she's this young Australian actress who's all of a sudden
on like the biggest TV show in the world, and
she thought she was doing a good job. And then
she said one of the higher ups came over to
her and pulled her aside during filming and zaid, don't worry,
We're going to get you an acting coach.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And just kind of oh god, that makes you feel
so sick, right, and just.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Like imagine also like you're already filming, like how would
you then go on? And like, do you know what
I wish she did go on?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I think that all of the performances are really nuanced,
which is really nice. And as it progresses, it's not
like big twist, but there is you start to see
these flickers, these little injections of a change is in
character exactly. And again for me with Kiki, it kind
of started around. It didn't really show itself right until
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the end. But there was this moment when Simona and
Devon's dad comes and he's got dementia and he kind
of thinks that Kiki is his ex wife who kills
himself herself, and they're dancing together, and it's this kind
of you don't know whether like I actually had this
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weird thought where I was like, oh, is she actually
the mother? Oh my god, I thought that too. Was
she actually the mom? Or is she remembering that he
was the mom? And the whole secret is that she
never died and she had like this health face.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Anyway, I don't know where my head.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
You know why this is because why we went that
way is because we can't just watch a TV show anymore.
We're so looking for plot twists, yeah, and mystery that
whole mystery box TV element and you're like, wait a second,
So she's just a confused rich woman that can't be
the two.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
No.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I was like, she just had like some like like
has run away and the girls are actually her daughters,
And this is like, yeah, I had this weird.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Me too, because when I wrote some great fan fiction, it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Was very like a very split sack.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I kind of started to realize it was because he
obviously had dementia. But I saw this again that it's
in the nuance of Julianne Moore's performance of vulnerability because
she couldn't have her own children. She was saying, I
tribe many times and we kept losing them, and I
was like, huh, there's something here, like you aren't you
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weren't evil?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, You're just we're looking for a villain. It's weird.
There's not really even Kevin Bacon, I think.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The villain.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, I mean he's just an entitled white man who
needs always needs a younger woman to look after him
as the vibe. And then I thought also interesting, as
we go through the show, like everyone like obviously Devon
has a bit of a physical transformation where she starts
becoming a bit more of that. Well, initially she does
it to go under cover, like that kind of becomes
like a step for why, But then at the end
of the show she's almost settled into that world where
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she's trying to get back to the person she was,
And then you see sort of julian Moore's character also
go through like a bit of a physical transformation when
she has her wealth taken away from her. But I
thought Millie Alcock's character, like Simone, also goes through one
because her physicality is so interesting. It's so rigid throughout
the show, and then as her trauma keeps coming out,
you can see she gets loose with how she moves.
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And then every time they do those big scenes of
her running down the beach, there's so many scenes where
she's running and crying and that's meant to kind of
almost jolt you out of the story from the filmmakers. Yeah,
apparently they filmed that so many times that she ripped
her toenails off, so now she has no toails. So
just think of that. I rewatched that same Laura. I
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just like, no, I just wantn't people to know what
the woman went throughails. Oh my god, and she's got
to be a supergirl. That's too much for one human.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
But I thought it was really interesting, again, so so
nuanced and really lovely, lovely acting where she kind of
her sister's like going, I need to get you out
of here.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I need to get you out of here, and she's
going I've spotted my chance.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah exactly, I've found my inn. And the shoulders go
up the neck goes on and she kind of morphs, Yeah,
she morphs into the siren. For me, the best part
of it, my favorite favorite bit is like one of
the final scenes where it's Julianne Moore and Megan Fayye.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
On the boat.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
They're sitting next to each other. It's Devin and Kiki
and they're talking. Everything stripped back and it's like, you know,
I survived many years until I became the monster. Devin goes,
You're not a monster here he goes, and neither is she,
And I thought that was like they were molded. It's
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like you live long enough to go from being the
here to the villain. And that is kind of where
I see maybe this potential for a season two.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I don't know if I've gone off on a complete thing,
but no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
For me, that was like a really key scene, like
I really took a lot from that particular sete.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Oh yeah, I mean. And the ending is by like
today's normal TV standards of people wanting like a big
shoot out at the end or a huge twist or
a dead body, like when the rich neighbor who wants
to marry Sceno and the creepy old guy falls off
the cliff. You're like, Okay, here's our murder. This is
what like mega and Faye even says now that she
only stars and shows and movies that have a beach
and a body, and yeah, that's a good niche to
be in right now, because that's what we want. And
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then you keep waiting for this murder mystery or this
cult it never eventuates, and what eventuates is more of
this character study, which shouldn't be shocking, but it feels
shocking in today's kind of I.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Think it actually surprised me in a really nice way.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I think I actually preferred the show because it doesn't
become this classic cult story, which I love, Like a
love a cult story. I didn't want to hold a
little Colt Sotos like, yeah, my all time favor. It's
like a lover could love like hearing about it all.
But what the show does do is create nuance and
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when to walk away from someone. Because Devon eventually does
have to walk away from her sister. She's like, I've
tried as hard as I can.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
You've chosen your path.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
And Simone isn't this little wounded bird. She is capable
of making her decisions. And the decision she makes is
to take on this rich man and become the mother
of the household, like the leader of the household.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yes, the main terms of the household. Yeah and yeah.
That that's an interesting ending because you have all these
little bombs going off quickly, and up until that moment,
I will say, I feel like the storyline was going
around a little bit in circles.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I was like, Okay, it's like this conversation that we've having.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I feel.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Bits we're getting to the end now because we do, because.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's not that's what it's the show itself. It is
not a linear thing, so much growing around.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And then all of a sudden you're coming back. It's
like in the last episode and it's going back to
season one one, like it's back and forth. And so
as much as I did love all the little kind
of outs, the side stories, Devin being in the drunk
tank was my favorite because the girl who was in
there with her calling her Kevin, I was like, I'm sorry,
why is this the funniest scene in the whole show.
So you have all these little side vintage there's like
a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Of side questions. It does really like throw you.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
But the crux of it for me, and I think
it makes it so much more. Again, I think this
comes from the fact that it was it came from
a play. Yes, play is a really well known for
being a little bit more. I'm going to use the
word nuanced again because I don't actually have thesaurus with
me and I can't find another word.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
For it works.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
It is really like these characters really are very complex
and maybe there is no Gordon evil, even though Kevin
Bacon turns out to a complete f wik And but yeah,
I feel like that, you know, she's not You're not
a monster like that. I love that so much that
that Julianne Moore stripped back.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And it's like, you're not a monster. Yeah, Like I
actually really loved that.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And I feel like that a lot of these little
bomb shells that come in the end. She is so goodous,
so powerful, and after going around in circles for a
little bit, then all of a sudden, we have all
these little bombs shells that come out in like a
very quick amount of time. So we have that scene
where Devon's and the Gala and she's like, I know
you killed his ex wife, and you have that reveal
from Juliana Moure being like she's disfigured and she lives alone.
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The interesting thing is if you watch that scene back,
I think the first time you're watching it and you're
really centered on Devin and Kekey, as you should because
they're having this big reveal, but as if you watch
it back a second time and you see everyone in
the background who's at the gala reacting. They look a
little shocked by the yelling, but when she talks to
the ex wife, they all kind of look down. And
it's what people have been doing all the way through
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the show. But because our minds are so attuned to murder,
we keep thinking everyone's looking down because they know she's murdered,
But they're actually looking down because I know that not
only is she kind of living this isolated life, she's
been shunned this fancy society, and that to them is
worse than being murdered. They're like, oh God, she should
have been murdered. Now she's living alone, Like, I know
what could be worse. I know that bombshell.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
And then we have like the big reveal of Samoone
in that beautiful blue dress. Yeah, sorry, she looks so
stunning in that that was a like, I know it's
not really There is quite a lot of fashion.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
In this, yeah, but that fashion is good.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That blue, this like gorgeous silk gown again, like the ocean.
I'm yinking the idea.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
The way it's cut in the Fall of the Silk
is like that very old school mythology, like Greek mythology
with gown.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
With what a Grecian like, which is weird.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
So much of this is coming from And I think
what's interesting too is that Millie or'clock and Meghan Faikey
said that they filmed the first couple of episodes and
they didn't actually know what was going to happen until
they had filmed most of the show. So Millie is
saying all the way through she doesn't know what's happening
to Simone. Obviously she didn't see Elemento pe either, so
she doesn't know where Simone's going to end up. So
she said it was quite shocking for her when she
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realized where the character was going and the fact that
she was gonna have this big plot twist. And but
the thing is, I don't interested in your thoughts on this.
I think you can watch it and think that she
planned and manipulated that situation, whereas where she's telling Devin
about it, she was like, and then he was on
the beach, I went to walk away and he stopped me.
And it's like her eyes glaze over and she's transferred
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the adoration she had for Kiki over to Kevin Bacon.
So she didn't plan it. She just is so desperate
for someone to take care of her.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I think she didn't plan it, but then I think
she saw the opportunity and took.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Her Oh yeah yeah, and then was like, let me
help you oust key.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
So it's like when she, like, I think once she
sort of realizes, ah, this is my way back again
that that's another traumal response.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
And I agree with you. Yeah, like, Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Keikey's not gonna take care of me, but this guy might,
even though a dump you when you start to.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Look old exactly well, I meanly she's in an early
twenties there, so she's got a way to go. But yeah,
it's the transference of adoration. And I think also that's
why when you when you see Evan hearing what Simone's
saying and now we're together and all this stuff, you
see Devon's face just for and you see them to
this realization. Man can fay her face acting out of
this world nuance so much Dians. It's like that scene
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from the finale of White Lotus where she plays Daphne,
where you see this moment where she realizes that her
husband and her new friend cheated on her and she
calculates in this one second of what she's going to
do and it's a slight turn of her face. She
does it again here where she's like, Oh, I came
to save you from a cult, but now that I
know that you're just so lost that you throw on
yourself with this man, I just have to let you
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go because I can't save you from I'll save you
from danger, but I can't save you from this hopelessness
you're stuck in. Yeah, and I think otherwise she would
never have left her there. That's why she leaves.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
So then we've got the final scene.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Simone's on the cliff in that beautiful blue gown, and
you know, I know that we talked a lot about
like this just being a limited series, and again, based
off Lay, it should just be one series. I do, however,
think there is room for a season to depending on
how well this does.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's done very well. And I
also think like at first it was kind of marketing
almost just like kind of like shlocky Netflix drama, and
like there's definitely moments of that. But I think especially
the end scene, we see like especially got going back
to your favorite moment of them on the boat and
that moment from Julianne Moore's character Kiki, and also that
she's stripped away. She doesn't have the beautiful hair and makeup.
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She's like jewels, she's not wearing the jewel tones or
the neutrals. She just looks like someone who had to
like jump on a barge and make her way in
the world. And she's so kind of dressed down, but
she gives this beautiful performance. I feel like that's I
can just imagine julian More reading the script and that
being the scene that said I'm gonna take this. It's
like how Meryl Streep only said yes to doing The
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Devil Wears Prada when she read the scene of her
in the hotel room with no makeup. She's like, She's like,
unless you have that scene, all of the big, beautiful,
glamorous etherel scenes don't make sense, and I feel like
that's why Julian would have taken this and love resonated
so well with people. I feel like, I know, when
I first watched it, I was like, no, no, that's good,
on and done, It's fine. But I also think that
I mean, I would love to see if we can,
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like have if we can continue our fan fiction that
we both had from the start of this, where we
were concocting all these side plots in our heads.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Okay, because you saw how ex other staff were when
they knew Simon was leaving.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, yeah, myday group text about her is the funniest thing.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
This is the thing. This is the thing.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Like I think, yes, it would be fine if it
was just one season, that the story could happily end there. However, honestly, honestly,
I really feel like there are so many places that
this could go. There could be a little bit more
about Devon finding herself, working through her trauma, a little
bit more the dementia, maybe finding a little bit more clarity,
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looking maybe at ki Ki finding herself again as a
lawyer because she was a lawyer, Perhaps maybe taking legal action,
trying to find some finding herself again rather than just
being the wife of.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
A rich man.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
And then there's also like the way that the new
mistress of the house, how does Simone take over this island?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Is she going to get pregnant, I'm going to have baby?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Is there so much there? I think Kiki comes back
again without fan casting that she has gone off become
a very successful woman. She's made all this money. She
comes back and she like buys half of the island,
or she buys the bird sanctuary. So then she and
Kevin Bacon are trying to figure out it's like a
war of power there. And then they're having a big
event because it's Labor Day weekend, but it's also the
christening of Simone and Kevin Bacon's baby. Sorry with the
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christening party, and then Devin gets pulled back because Keiki
blackmails her and gets her to come back to try
and pull her sister out, and Hilarity and Drammer insuit.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yes, there's definitely room for it exactly, but we've done
the work in Spain.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
This is I really really loved this show. Not what
you expect, definitely not like a classic cult thing. You
definitely there's so many little like a couple of times
where I was like, I would like to see that
fleshed out a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
But I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
It was such a character based and complex characters. They
weren't one dimensional. All of these characters have so much depth, layering, nuance.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yes, we love that, sarens on Netflix. What a fun time.
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Speaker 2 (01:43):
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Speaker 4 (01:44):
We did do a weekend watch on this and this
was one of the ones that I was talking about
and I loved it, finished it very very quickly, so
we have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, and it's definitely one of those shows that.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Is perfect for a brutally honest review exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
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everyone's talking about, and we go through the characters, the
plot points, what we loved, what we hated, little secret
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behind the scenes things that you might not be aware of.
But we also go very deep into the ending. So
just to note, there will be quite a few spoilers.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
This is this is a spoiler filled episode.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes, okay, so Siren, So okay, what.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
We're gonna do is I'm gonna start off with I'm
going to tell you the cast, yes, and we're going
to just talk a bit about the characters. So first
of all, we've got Meghan Fayye as Devon Dwatt, and
she is sort of our key character. She kind of
plays she's an alcoholic, she's kind of down in the
dubson all. She works at like a flufful restaurant. But
she's kind of our key character. You would know her
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from like Lotos obviously. Then we've got Millie Alcock who
is Simone de Witt and she is Devon's sister, So
Simone and Devon's sisters. Simone is Mikayla's personal assistant, so
she is the one that is being on this island.
Mikayla is played by Julianne Moore who we loved also
known as Kiki, So she's the billionaire. She's Simon's boss.
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It kind of the series starts, says that kind of
being this cult like feeling, and she is the one
who rules them all to use a bit of.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
A Lord of the Rings preference. And she's a former lawyer.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
But the reason she's so wealthy is because she married
Kevin Bacon's character, Peter Kel, and he kind of comes
from old money CEO of Kel Securities, and they own
this massive property.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
They've got all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Everything is done and the show kind of plays on
over the course of like a weekend.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It's over the course of a weekend.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Like a long weekend.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It's like Labor Day and Labor Day weekend, and Labor
Day in America is like this big deal, like don't
wear white after Labor Day.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Like I never really understood that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I think it's that's a rabbit hole we don't need
to go down.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But basically it's set on this island, set over a weekend.
The first episode is kind of really culty.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
It feels very like almost white loadus see bit little liesy,
which is what I said. It now sort of we
can watch, but it's based on a play, so yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Sirence is created by Molly Smith Meltzer and she's you know,
she wrote the show. She's the creator, executive producer. It's
basically her baby and Sirens on Netflix is actually based
on her twenty eleven play element O p and the
story pretty much follows the TV show, except that in
the stage play, I believe that Devon's character just comes
to visit her sister and it doesn't have as kind
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of much the dark intrigue that we see in the
Netflix series.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Do you know what I love about this though, is
Molly Smith Meltzer has created this play twenty and eleven
and it wasn't like it was.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
A massive run on Broadway or anything. This play was
in like some small towns.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
She's now created it into this hit Netflix TV show,
So like bravo, because she really nailed it this series.
Is I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, I loved it as well. And I feel like
you can tell when something's been adapted from a play
rather than a book or like an old movie or something,
because the dialogue is so and obviously with a play,
especially like a small play like this. Apparently they only
had one set for the play, so it's only in
the guest house and it's people coming in and out
of the guest house, so the dialogue has to carry
the entire story. And I think that's why the dialogue
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in the show is so snappy and smart and emotive,
and there's not a lot of big stunts or there's
a lot of big step pieces, and it's not overly physical.
It's basically just the dialogue back and forth.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I kind of want to start with like the relationship
between the system, Yeah, which.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Is so beautifully set up in the first episode. So
you have Devin's character. And I kind of love this
for Megan Fahi because we first got to know her
as Sutton in The Bold Type and she's a fashion girl,
she's glam, she's gorgeous, and then we got to know
her again and White Lotus playing Daphne, where she's glam
and gorgeous, and then in the movie horror movie Drop,
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she is most of the time just wearing a velvet jumpsuit,
so she's all glam and beautiful in that. I think
this is the first time we've seen her be like
the bad girl, wrong side of the tracks, messed up
kind of character.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I think she does a really nuanced job of playing
because she is playing an alcoholic but in a very
and I'm going to use quotes here quote unquote functional
alcoholic way, and that's kind of a really big part
of her story. Is like she's kind of at home
with her father who's been diagnosed with Alzheimer's.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
He's deteriorating quick quickly.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
She's using that as a way to help, you know,
soothe herself. Her sister was you know, basically the reason
that Simone left this family and hasn't spoken to her
father in ten years is because of the way her
mother died, and so the relationship between the sisters is tense,
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but there's also Devon being almost replacing that motherly role,
but Simone dealing with her trauma in a very different
way by kind of wanting to detach herself from it exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
And it's such an interesting setup of this dynamic because
you sort of see Devin this messed up well, and
then she comes home and there's the edible fruit basket
on the front steps of this like sort of dark
and dingy suburban home they're living in, and she just
snaps and decides to travel like nearly twenty four hours
to where Simone's working. And I think when you kind
of get the idea of that this is more a
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dark comedy than a mystery is that first scene on
the Fairy, you know, and she's going over she's got
the fruit basket and the guy who works on the
fairy says to her, like, you can't smoke, and she's like, well,
I'm gonna have to put something in my mouth and
goes in the back and gives him a blue job.
But I think that's when you know this is going
to be a special show.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
That was a great line, great line, and then she
is kind of this like care free chick.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
And the first few episodes.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I think initially when you go into this, you're like,
this is about a could this is about getting a
girl out of a cult. But it becomes something very
very different to that. Because I thought when I first
started watching it, I was like, this is going to
be like a very formula, like this person's evil. Like
I wasn't expecting the way that it started to pan out,
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and it happens quite slowly considering it's only a five
part series.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, I mean I wonder if that's because like it
was obviously a certain thing when it was a stage play,
and then I think she sold it in a time
where people really want these kind of mystery box TV shows,
which I think when you go into Sirens, you think
it's that classic mystery box. There's going to be like
the whole point of the show is to unravel like
who is the murderer, who is the dead body, and
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something we've seen happen with shows like White Lotus. But
the more you watch Sirens, you're like, oh, it's not
supposed to about the mystery. They've used that as like
a marketing hook. It's not supposed to be about who's
evil and who's the it's who's done something. It's meant
to be a character study.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Well because in like the third episod so and this
is again we're only like halfway through the third episode.
Simone has this dream about, you know, her boyfriend being
impaled on these sticks and then she runs and the
whole first like I would say two and a half
three episodes is all about it's really setting you up
for Mikayla Kiki as a murderer. This is a cult
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and all of these women are like there is some
special power.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
The scene where she like she gets like knocked out
and then she like kind of comes.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
To it's like welcome, were take you shopping?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, that's an It's really like all these mister x
through it. And they really set that up when Devin
first arrives at this like palatial mansion. I know, I
said this one we talked about previously, but the physical
comedy there from Megan Fahi is incredible. When she's like
that scene of her like stumbling down with this fruit
basket that's now in tatters and like lying on the
ground and drinking out of the hose, and when she
and Simone have their first meeting and just they really
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hold the camera there for a long time with these
two sisters because I think they're trying to show you,
like how different their worlds are, because Devin looks like
a mess, but she looked like a mess we first
got to meet her, and she's also slumped over. Her
shoulders are hunch. It's such a different way for Megan
fay he to stand. And then Millie Oldcock's character Simone
is like so pristine, looks like a Stepford wife. He's
very Stepford why and like she's holding her shoulders back
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and she's and her arms are so rigid by her
side and they just like they look like two completely
different beings who shouldn't even know each other. So the
fact that their sisters really sets up the kind of
of the drama from that.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
And we kind of get in those first couple of
episodes this really wounded Bird and did you from Simone,
which shifts so drastically as the show progresses.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
This is my sister. I didn't know you existed. Trust me,
Simona are very close. And why didn't she tell me
about you? Where are your tattoos?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I remove them?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Are imagine sister tattoo? Kiki said it was trashy.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Mikaela bitch has her talent so deep in your brainy
that you can't even.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Tell you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
This is the happiest I've ever been.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We've got to get out of here. Let's talk a
little bit about Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yes, because you know, a good show always has Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I love Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, he's good. He kind of plays the same character
and everything, but but.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I think he's good in this so I mean, initially, again,
he's kind of it seems like he is just going
along for the ride, like he's the one that he
doesn't really like what Julianne Moore, what Kieky's doing. He's
not really into the whole vibe of it. He's like
smoking joints up in his little house.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Even though it's his home and his friends, his life,
and his every staff yea, his.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Key, very key, his staff. There is this whole thing
that like he's the chill one, and then that sort
of starts to like shift and change. And for me,
the moment I realize that there was going to be
something different with Kevin Bacon was when they went clamming
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and then you kind of sense his sexual tension between
him and Simone. That was the moment for me where
I was like, something's off with this guy.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, Well that's the thing is like it's always the
classic kind of oh, I'm a good guy. I'm like
the you know, I'm one with my staff and the
people and stuff. And they do kind of set him
up from the beginning like he's cheating on her, and
you do think that that's a pretty expected thing from
a storyline like that, especially knowing how these two characters
got together that started cheating. And then obviously the reveal
goes on that he's visiting his family, so they sort
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of try and circumvent that whole thing of like him
being the good guy. And then you know, when we
talk about the ending, we'll get into that, because at
the end of the day, he does come across as
the villain to an extent.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
One hundred percent, but the way it's been set up
is that he's just like this easy going dude. Yeah,
there is something really interesting about it when you know
they're talking about the Praine up and you know, the
only way that Julianne Moore can get out with any money,
Kiki can get out with any money is if there
is cheating involved. So there's almost this point where it's
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like she's like, I kind of want him to be
cheating on me, and I need to find evidence of it.
And then there's the clamming thing when he kisses her,
and that's for me when it all shifted. Oh really,
that's when I was like, Kiki's protecting herself, She's trying
to find a way out without being.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
That's interesting. I got in a different way where she
was so kind of like wanting to stay in this marriage,
but she was so aware that she had got him
in this way of like him cheating with her first,
so she's so aware of Kim cheating and kind of
ruining this perfect life on the outside they've created. And
then I thought it was in the prenup it was
like she only gets money if they had children, but
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she never had children, so she's really got no safety
net without him. But it's so funny because that obviously
comes later in the show. In the first part of
the show, you'll really led to believe that she is
this cult leader and actually, this is what kind of
this was kind of one of the bad parts of
the show. I thought they were so wanting to lean
into this idea of like did she murder his ex wife?
Is she a cult leader? Does she have like magical
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mind control powers? Is she drugging people? Is this like
an offshoot of Nine Perfect Strangers? Because there are some
things that are like a little bit unexplained in terms of.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Like, yeah, I think that the one Meghan Vehi wakes
up in the car and then like when she's kind
of hypnotized, because if you don't know what the mythology
of a siren is, which I ensure you would, it's
it's they are like mermaid like creatures that sing to
sailors basically to lure them to their deaths.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You know, that is that the mythology of a siren.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
So even the title of the show is implicating the
insinuating that these women have this kind of power over men.
And there is that scene when they're all getting dressed
up and it's like, well, you look into your power
and they're all talking at the same time, and you know,
i used to be a nail tech, but now I've
got this rich husband. So it's almost like this cult
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of finding a rich husband.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, exactly, And it's that a whole thing of like
that play on Sirens is like almost quite literal in
a way. That's interesting because at first you're meant to
think that Kiki is like that traditional siren and she's
got this control over her husband to lure him away
from his wife, and she's got control over everyone who's
in the house, and she uses it on Devon's character
and kind of like almost has like memory loss, but
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mostly you're meant to think that she has it over Simon.
And I think the way that they said their relationship
is interesting because you're meant to think that they have
this inappropriate relationship and like not sexual. I mean maybe
some people thought that. I guess the whole idea is
that you're not meant to know that. It was almost
like this kind of like she had a power over her,
that she had like forsaken her family and likestaken her life,
and you think that there's something more sinister happening behind
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the scenes.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, And I think it was that, you know that.
I think it was one of the first episodes when
they like sleeping in the bed together, like that was.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
A weird moment.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
No, But I mean, on reflection, I think I understand
where that all came for it. But basically we're kind
of talking about like a very close relationship between a
boss and her pa.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, knew. What was weirder than the bed scene was
the first moment I was like, what is this show?
Is when they were going into the party and Kiki goes,
how's my breath? And someone goes, it's perfect, how's my breath?
And she's like, oh, not great, take my gum and
she pulled the gum. Kiki pulls the gum out of
her mouth and puts in Simone's mouth and Simone choos it,
and I'm like, why is that the dirtiest thing I've
ever seen.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I know, you're a bit of a gem.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I would have died.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I mean, I definitely wouldn't do something like that.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
But that's a very intimate theory that usually only like
people and like a sexual relationship.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And I wouldn't do that with my husband.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, because don't share a gum.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I don't gum with hair.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I don't know what married people do, but I just
know your gum back. But it's a very intimate thing,
like even best friends wouldn't do that, let alone.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I have it in my kids half masticated food.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I mean that's just survival, right, Yeah, that's different. So
that's okay, we'll give that a pass.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
And also the fact that she did that, Samon doesn't
even flinch. She actually looks grateful. It's almost like a
mother bird. It's the symbolism of like a mother bird
feeding a baby bird, and Simone be looking at her
with like love, like thank you for taking care of me.
And that was the first moment in the pilot where
I was like, oh, something is really weird with this show.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Okay, but what about so I kind of picked up
on Kevin Bacon being like kind of shady, Yeah, and
I started to feel but I didn't start to feel
any empathy for Kiki until like almost like the last episode.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, it's different because for so long there she does
feel like the manipulator, and you never feel maybe other
people did, but I never feel really kind of empathy
for her throughout the show, maybe because she always looks
like so unflappable and everything is perfect, and she's this
kind of crazy person. And I think all of your empathy,
it's like it changes during the show. Like the first
part of the show, all your empathy goes to Devin
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because she's obviously in a terrible place where she's battling alcoholism.
She's looking after her father who has dementia and is
like losing all his memories and having to be a career.
She's lost her sister who she gave up her life
to look after. And she also has this kind of
interesting situation where she's replaced alcohol because he's trying to
be sober. She's replaced it with intimacy and sex with men,
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which keeps them manifesting in like these different ways where
in the first half it's almost like she's the siren
in a way too, because she's luring like her ex
boyfriend who she's cooking up with her boss, like luring
him away from his wife to do her bidding. And
then she goes into the hotel and she lures like
the guy who is the captain of the ship, and
they and again.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Not so subtle, like linked to a siren, because captains
of boats exactly, sailors were the ones they got, Lord
gar because then they got they were sung.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
They lured to the rocks and then there were chips
would crash and then they.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Would all exactly. So it's that idea. It's very literal
the manipulation of men. And even when she's in the
guest house and she goes to have a drink and
you see her battling and then she goes out and
finds the gardener and hooks up with him, and it's
almost like and I kind of wish that storyline had
come to an end or ahead or something not that
expected that she would be like, oh, I'm so cute
of my sex addiction.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Now I'm like, yeah, a person, there's definitely a couple
of threads that I think could still be explored. Yeah,
as we move through the episode, we've got everything is
kind of building up to this garlict her rise and
at the gala dinner, everybody's like things start to kind
of really go awry. Yes, Kiki has this photo of
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Simone and Kevin Bacon and also, I'm never going to
call him just Kevin. He's Kevin Bacon always. There's the
photo of him, and she puts it, you know, in
a safe and she's like, this is my security.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, and then there's like all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
She fires Simone, Simone gets kicked off, She's like devastated
leading up to this garla. Everybody gets kicked out, and
then Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Figures all of this out, Yeah, comes and its kind
of bad. Yeah. The Simone character is really interesting because
I I guess she she's the one really who's holding
in maybe more secrets than the others because Devon's like
all out on the table. She said everything, like she
says everything that comes into her head. So she's never
hiding anything really except from herself in a turmoil. And
then Julianne Moore's character Kiki, like you're meant to think
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that she's hiding something, but as the show goes along,
you're like, I don't know everyone in this place knows
her entire backstory. There's no kind of mystery there. But
it's really Simone's character that has been again almost a
siren of like she calls everyone in to like not
just manipulate, but like take care of her wounded bird. Yeah,
the whole wounded bird. And like we see little dead
birds in this so it's like as he takes in
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these wounded birds, she also takes in Simon. And you
kind of see Simone's story change in this really interesting way,
and you see all the lies she's told about, like
her mother being First of all, she's saying her mother
died in a car accident. To find out this horrific
thing of her mother tried to kill herself, well did
kill herself, but had her in the car and all
the stuff that happens. And I think it's such an
interesting performance from Millie ol'clock, who is an Austraie actress
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who first rose to prominence in that show with Tim Minton. Upright,
she's so good in that and then went to be
on House of the Dragon and she's also starring a
Supergirl soon, and I think it's kind of interesting. I
was watching a whole bunch of interviews with Millie and
I thought it so interesting that she said this is
the first time she's ever really lost herself in a
character and that it kind of rebuilt her confidence as
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an actress, because when she was on House of the
Dragon on her first few days of filming that show,
she's this young Australian actress who's all of a sudden
on like the biggest TV show in the world, and
she thought she was doing a good job. And then
she said one of the higher ups came over to
her and pulled her aside during filming and zaid, don't worry,
We're going to get you an acting coach.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And just kind of oh god, that makes you feel
so sick, right, and just.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Like imagine also like you're already filming, like how would
you then go on? And like, do you know what
I wish she did go on?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I think that all of the performances are really nuanced,
which is really nice. And as it progresses, it's not
like big twist, but there is you start to see
these flickers, these little injections of a change is in
character exactly. And again for me with Kiki, it kind
of started around. It didn't really show itself right until
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the end. But there was this moment when Simona and
Devon's dad comes and he's got dementia and he kind
of thinks that Kiki is his ex wife who kills
himself herself, and they're dancing together, and it's this kind
of you don't know whether like I actually had this
(22:42):
weird thought where I was like, oh, is she actually
the mother? Oh my god, I thought that too. Was
she actually the mom? Or is she remembering that he
was the mom? And the whole secret is that she
never died and she had like this health face.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Anyway, I don't know where my head.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
You know why this is because why we went that
way is because we can't just watch a TV show anymore.
We're so looking for plot twists, yeah, and mystery that
whole mystery box TV element and you're like, wait a second,
So she's just a confused rich woman that can't be
the two.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
No.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I was like, she just had like some like like
has run away and the girls are actually her daughters,
And this is like, yeah, I had this weird.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Me too, because when I wrote some great fan fiction, it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Was very like a very split sack.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I kind of started to realize it was because he
obviously had dementia. But I saw this again that it's
in the nuance of Julianne Moore's performance of vulnerability because
she couldn't have her own children. She was saying, I
tribe many times and we kept losing them, and I
was like, huh, there's something here, like you aren't you
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weren't evil?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, You're just we're looking for a villain. It's weird.
There's not really even Kevin Bacon, I think.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The villain.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, I mean he's just an entitled white man who
needs always needs a younger woman to look after him
as the vibe. And then I thought also interesting, as
we go through the show, like everyone like obviously Devon
has a bit of a physical transformation where she starts
becoming a bit more of that. Well, initially she does
it to go under cover, like that kind of becomes
like a step for why, But then at the end
of the show she's almost settled into that world where
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she's trying to get back to the person she was,
And then you see sort of julian Moore's character also
go through like a bit of a physical transformation when
she has her wealth taken away from her. But I
thought Millie Alcock's character, like Simone, also goes through one
because her physicality is so interesting. It's so rigid throughout
the show, and then as her trauma keeps coming out,
you can see she gets loose with how she moves.
(24:36):
And then every time they do those big scenes of
her running down the beach, there's so many scenes where
she's running and crying and that's meant to kind of
almost jolt you out of the story from the filmmakers. Yeah,
apparently they filmed that so many times that she ripped
her toenails off, so now she has no toails. So
just think of that. I rewatched that same Laura. I
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just like, no, I just wantn't people to know what
the woman went throughails. Oh my god, and she's got
to be a supergirl. That's too much for one human.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
But I thought it was really interesting, again, so so
nuanced and really lovely, lovely acting where she kind of
her sister's like going, I need to get you out
of here.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I need to get you out of here, and she's
going I've spotted my chance.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah exactly, I've found my inn. And the shoulders go
up the neck goes on and she kind of morphs, Yeah,
she morphs into the siren. For me, the best part
of it, my favorite favorite bit is like one of
the final scenes where it's Julianne Moore and Megan Fayye.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
On the boat.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
They're sitting next to each other. It's Devin and Kiki
and they're talking. Everything stripped back and it's like, you know,
I survived many years until I became the monster. Devin goes,
You're not a monster here he goes, and neither is she,
And I thought that was like they were molded. It's
(26:05):
like you live long enough to go from being the
here to the villain. And that is kind of where
I see maybe this potential for a season two.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I don't know if I've gone off on a complete thing,
but no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
For me, that was like a really key scene, like
I really took a lot from that particular sete.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Oh yeah, I mean. And the ending is by like
today's normal TV standards of people wanting like a big
shoot out at the end or a huge twist or
a dead body, like when the rich neighbor who wants
to marry Sceno and the creepy old guy falls off
the cliff. You're like, Okay, here's our murder. This is
what like mega and Faye even says now that she
only stars and shows and movies that have a beach
and a body, and yeah, that's a good niche to
be in right now, because that's what we want. And
(26:46):
then you keep waiting for this murder mystery or this
cult it never eventuates, and what eventuates is more of
this character study, which shouldn't be shocking, but it feels
shocking in today's kind of I.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Think it actually surprised me in a really nice way.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I think I actually preferred the show because it doesn't
become this classic cult story, which I love, Like a
love a cult story. I didn't want to hold a
little Colt Sotos like, yeah, my all time favor. It's
like a lover could love like hearing about it all.
But what the show does do is create nuance and
(27:20):
when to walk away from someone. Because Devon eventually does
have to walk away from her sister. She's like, I've
tried as hard as I can.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
You've chosen your path.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
And Simone isn't this little wounded bird. She is capable
of making her decisions. And the decision she makes is
to take on this rich man and become the mother
of the household, like the leader of the household.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yes, the main terms of the household. Yeah and yeah.
That that's an interesting ending because you have all these
little bombs going off quickly, and up until that moment,
I will say, I feel like the storyline was going
around a little bit in circles.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I was like, Okay, it's like this conversation that we've having.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I feel.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Bits we're getting to the end now because we do, because.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's not that's what it's the show itself. It is
not a linear thing, so much growing around.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And then all of a sudden you're coming back. It's
like in the last episode and it's going back to
season one one, like it's back and forth. And so
as much as I did love all the little kind
of outs, the side stories, Devin being in the drunk
tank was my favorite because the girl who was in
there with her calling her Kevin, I was like, I'm sorry,
why is this the funniest scene in the whole show.
So you have all these little side vintage there's like
a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Of side questions. It does really like throw you.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
But the crux of it for me, and I think
it makes it so much more. Again, I think this
comes from the fact that it was it came from
a play. Yes, play is a really well known for
being a little bit more. I'm going to use the
word nuanced again because I don't actually have thesaurus with
me and I can't find another word.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
For it works.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
It is really like these characters really are very complex
and maybe there is no Gordon evil, even though Kevin
Bacon turns out to a complete f wik And but yeah,
I feel like that, you know, she's not You're not
a monster like that. I love that so much that
that Julianne Moore stripped back.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And it's like, you're not a monster. Yeah, Like I
actually really loved that.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And I feel like that a lot of these little
bomb shells that come in the end. She is so goodous,
so powerful, and after going around in circles for a
little bit, then all of a sudden, we have all
these little bombs shells that come out in like a
very quick amount of time. So we have that scene
where Devon's and the Gala and she's like, I know
you killed his ex wife, and you have that reveal
from Juliana Moure being like she's disfigured and she lives alone.
(29:37):
The interesting thing is if you watch that scene back,
I think the first time you're watching it and you're
really centered on Devin and Kekey, as you should because
they're having this big reveal, but as if you watch
it back a second time and you see everyone in
the background who's at the gala reacting. They look a
little shocked by the yelling, but when she talks to
the ex wife, they all kind of look down. And
it's what people have been doing all the way through
(29:58):
the show. But because our minds are so attuned to murder,
we keep thinking everyone's looking down because they know she's murdered,
But they're actually looking down because I know that not
only is she kind of living this isolated life, she's
been shunned this fancy society, and that to them is
worse than being murdered. They're like, oh God, she should
have been murdered. Now she's living alone, Like, I know
what could be worse. I know that bombshell.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
And then we have like the big reveal of Samoone
in that beautiful blue dress. Yeah, sorry, she looks so
stunning in that that was a like, I know it's
not really There is quite a lot of fashion.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
In this, yeah, but that fashion is good.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That blue, this like gorgeous silk gown again, like the ocean.
I'm yinking the idea.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
The way it's cut in the Fall of the Silk
is like that very old school mythology, like Greek mythology
with gown.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
With what a Grecian like, which is weird.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
So much of this is coming from And I think
what's interesting too is that Millie or'clock and Meghan Faikey
said that they filmed the first couple of episodes and
they didn't actually know what was going to happen until
they had filmed most of the show. So Millie is
saying all the way through she doesn't know what's happening
to Simone. Obviously she didn't see Elemento pe either, so
she doesn't know where Simone's going to end up. So
she said it was quite shocking for her when she
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realized where the character was going and the fact that
she was gonna have this big plot twist. And but
the thing is, I don't interested in your thoughts on this.
I think you can watch it and think that she
planned and manipulated that situation, whereas where she's telling Devin
about it, she was like, and then he was on
the beach, I went to walk away and he stopped me.
And it's like her eyes glaze over and she's transferred
(31:31):
the adoration she had for Kiki over to Kevin Bacon.
So she didn't plan it. She just is so desperate
for someone to take care of her.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I think she didn't plan it, but then I think
she saw the opportunity and took.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Her Oh yeah yeah, and then was like, let me
help you oust key.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
So it's like when she, like, I think once she
sort of realizes, ah, this is my way back again
that that's another traumal response.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
And I agree with you. Yeah, like, Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Keikey's not gonna take care of me, but this guy might,
even though a dump you when you start to.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Look old exactly well, I meanly she's in an early
twenties there, so she's got a way to go. But yeah,
it's the transference of adoration. And I think also that's
why when you when you see Evan hearing what Simone's
saying and now we're together and all this stuff, you
see Devon's face just for and you see them to
this realization. Man can fay her face acting out of
this world nuance so much Dians. It's like that scene
(32:24):
from the finale of White Lotus where she plays Daphne,
where you see this moment where she realizes that her
husband and her new friend cheated on her and she
calculates in this one second of what she's going to
do and it's a slight turn of her face. She
does it again here where she's like, Oh, I came
to save you from a cult, but now that I
know that you're just so lost that you throw on
yourself with this man, I just have to let you
(32:45):
go because I can't save you from I'll save you
from danger, but I can't save you from this hopelessness
you're stuck in. Yeah, and I think otherwise she would
never have left her there. That's why she leaves.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
So then we've got the final scene.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Simone's on the cliff in that beautiful blue gown, and
you know, I know that we talked a lot about
like this just being a limited series, and again, based
off Lay, it should just be one series. I do, however,
think there is room for a season to depending on
how well this does.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's done very well. And I
also think like at first it was kind of marketing
almost just like kind of like shlocky Netflix drama, and
like there's definitely moments of that. But I think especially
the end scene, we see like especially got going back
to your favorite moment of them on the boat and
that moment from Julianne Moore's character Kiki, and also that
she's stripped away. She doesn't have the beautiful hair and makeup.
(33:32):
She's like jewels, she's not wearing the jewel tones or
the neutrals. She just looks like someone who had to
like jump on a barge and make her way in
the world. And she's so kind of dressed down, but
she gives this beautiful performance. I feel like that's I
can just imagine julian More reading the script and that
being the scene that said I'm gonna take this. It's
like how Meryl Streep only said yes to doing The
(33:54):
Devil Wears Prada when she read the scene of her
in the hotel room with no makeup. She's like, She's like,
unless you have that scene, all of the big, beautiful,
glamorous etherel scenes don't make sense, and I feel like
that's why Julian would have taken this and love resonated
so well with people. I feel like, I know, when
I first watched it, I was like, no, no, that's good,
on and done, It's fine. But I also think that
I mean, I would love to see if we can,
(34:15):
like have if we can continue our fan fiction that
we both had from the start of this, where we
were concocting all these side plots in our heads.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Okay, because you saw how ex other staff were when
they knew Simon was leaving.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, yeah, myday group text about her is the funniest thing.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
This is the thing. This is the thing.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Like I think, yes, it would be fine if it
was just one season, that the story could happily end there. However, honestly, honestly,
I really feel like there are so many places that
this could go. There could be a little bit more
about Devon finding herself, working through her trauma, a little
bit more the dementia, maybe finding a little bit more clarity,
(34:51):
looking maybe at ki Ki finding herself again as a
lawyer because she was a lawyer, Perhaps maybe taking legal action,
trying to find some finding herself again rather than just
being the wife of.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
A rich man.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
And then there's also like the way that the new
mistress of the house, how does Simone take over this island?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Is she going to get pregnant, I'm going to have baby?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Is there so much there? I think Kiki comes back
again without fan casting that she has gone off become
a very successful woman. She's made all this money. She
comes back and she like buys half of the island,
or she buys the bird sanctuary. So then she and
Kevin Bacon are trying to figure out it's like a
war of power there. And then they're having a big
event because it's Labor Day weekend, but it's also the
christening of Simone and Kevin Bacon's baby. Sorry with the
(35:40):
christening party, and then Devin gets pulled back because Keiki
blackmails her and gets her to come back to try
and pull her sister out, and Hilarity and Drammer insuit.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yes, there's definitely room for it exactly, but we've done
the work in Spain.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
This is I really really loved this show. Not what
you expect, definitely not like a classic cult thing. You
definitely there's so many little like a couple of times
where I was like, I would like to see that
fleshed out a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
But I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
It was such a character based and complex characters. They
weren't one dimensional. All of these characters have so much depth, layering, nuance.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yes, we love that, sarens on Netflix. What a fun time.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Thanks for listening to the Spill today. Don't forget to
follow the Spill on TikTok. The Spill is produced by
Manisha Is Warren with sound production by Scott Stronik Lomo
me at Studios at Star, with furniture from Fenton and Fenton.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Visit Fenton and Benton dot com dot au.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
We'll see you back here in your podcast Speed on
Monday at three pm.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Bye bye
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