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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:20):
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m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodneck and on the show today. Look,
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Speaker 1 (01:30):
So many messages I at at least one hundred fifteen,
but that's still pretty good.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
We've gotten so many messages asking us to do a
brutally honest review of the new Netflix show Nobody wants this.
All the episodes are out now, so there will be
a few spoilers, so make sure you watch before you listen.
But if you don't know, we do these really honest
reviews where we like break down a massive piece of
like pop cultures, usually a TV show or a movie,
(01:55):
and we are, as the title says, brutally honest. So
we will be doing that, but don't worry, we will
still be doing weekend Watch.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yes, there was so much hype about this show coming up. Well,
I think most people kind of knew, but I guess
like for us, when we first got the announcement of
this filmings this was ages ago and I saw these
behind the scenes photos come through of Kristen Bell and
Adam Brody, who played the two stars of the show,
on the set together, and I saw that it was
based off Aaron Foster's life. I just thought, this is
(02:23):
going to be such a huge, crazy hit.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
But Aaron Foster is again.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, So Aaron Foster is, in our owner words, a
NEPO baby of Hollywood. But she and her sister Sarah
have become very famous for various projects over the years.
So they are the daughters of David Foster, who we know, yes, well,
he's a very famous music producer, but I think most
people would know him for his many infamous marriages. So
(02:48):
he was obviously married to the mother of Sarah and Aaron,
but he's also been married to Linda Thompson, who was
married to Caitlyn Jenner for a while and is the
mother of Brody Jenner as in The Hills star Brody Jenner.
So David Foster has been his stepfather.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
They're all Davie Kardashians.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Everyone intersect with the Kardashians in some way. But then
he was also married to Yolanda had Did, who of
course is the mother of a Gigi and Bella ha Did,
so he was their stepfather as well. And now he
is married to Katherine McPhee and he's about thirty to
forty years older than her, I think, so he loves
Maria big. He loves a marriage. He loves getting married,
just a hopeless romantic. Is the Jayla of the Older
(03:27):
White Men music set, and it was a bit controversial
when he and Katherine McFee got married because he had
been her mentor on Australian Idol and everyone saw them
as like a father daughter relationship because of the huge
age gap. But they're happily married now they have a kid,
and Katherine McFee has quite a funny relationship with Aaron
and Sarah Foster, like online because they're all the same
age and they call her mom wicked Stepsis Star. When
(03:49):
Aaron Foster was getting married, Catherine would like post photos
of herself in wedding dresses and be like, I'm worrying
this to your wedding and it's like it's silly bird,
just like quite funny so Erin and Sarah Foster. They
were both actresses for a while. The most interesting part
of Aaron Foster's life before we get into her marriage,
that has inspired this whole show is that she was
an actress in the early two thousands and she did
(04:12):
a lot of supporting roles on TV shows. Very notably,
she was an episode of Gilmore Girls which obviously Adam
Brodie was on. He played Dave Rogalski. Oh my god,
you're a cross.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yes, I'm very salty about that because then he left
and the worst story line ever.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Hi, okay, well that's a conversation for a different day.
So she's the quote unquote skanky girl that was her title,
who is making out with Zach and then she says
to Lane, sorry, I didn't know you had feelings for him,
and that's when Lane realizes that she does have feelings
for Zach. In Gilmore Girls, So that's Aaron Foster.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
How to hear erin?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, so that's Aaron Foster. But I think Aaron Foster's
most important role in her entire acting career was the
fact that she played Heather on the OC.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So she just following Adam Brodie still is still.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Is following her around. Look, she's put in the work.
She's put in twenty years worth of work to get
him on this show. So I was late and mist
I'll be like, what's going She played Heather on the OC.
I needed to really focus on these details, and she
was in the car that killed Marissa Cooper.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Wait on the OC, Yes, on the OC. What do
you mean like the passenger seat.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yes, because Volchek was driving the car. Her character Heather
was in the car when they smashed into her and
Ryan there was a hole. Like, so she was in
the car that killed Marissa Cooper and now she has
made a show starring break Apart. Then she realized exactly,
and she kept that a secret from Adam Brody during
the whole filming of Nobody wants this because she's like,
that's quite embarrassing that we didn't know. He didn't know.
(05:42):
But then a journalists foun out he didn't know, and
she was hiding it and told him in an interview
to get a reaction, and he's like, oh, actually I
have a memory of that, but I did think it
was Sarah, So he thought Sarah was on the show anyway.
It's a twisted web.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So that was Aaron's crazy acting live with Adam Brody
as like her fellow like leader, I want a third collaboration,
the third collaborations one he's aware of. So, but I've
heard that the main character in the show, played by
Kristen b Well, Joanne, is actually mimicked after Aaron's personal
So is she a podcaster?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah? So she and her sister have a podcast called
I think it's the world's first podcast, is what it's called.
Because it came out late. That's there.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
They as good as we they have they have.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Better maybe like more intimate clib stories than we do.
Why they're better than.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Us, that's because I'm not both, which I our best.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And they have a very successful clothing line together. They've
made TV shows before. They did a mockumentary about trying
to be famous, which is like a really funny show
if anyone hasn't watched it. But they had a deal
to create a show because they've both written on shows before,
and they do a lot of different investing, like they
were the creative heads of Bumble, Like there's a whole
kind of background to their careers. They were pitching a
bunch of shows and at the time, Yes, so Aaron
(06:54):
when she was thirty five met her now husband and
he was Jewish and so she converted to Judaism to
so they could marry. And they now have a little
girl called Noah who's like barely a year old. Again,
the information not about these people, And was he a rabbi? No,
he's not a rabbit.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
There's a lot of the just would.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Have pushed up the drama a little bit, yay, because
they wanted more tension. The show, they've said very loosely
based on a real story. So what happened is they
were with their producing partner and they were talking about
different ideas, like in an elevator going to another meeting,
and she was talking about doing her conversion to Judaism,
and their producing partner said, like Erin, this is so interesting,
we should make a documentary about it, and she said, oh,
I don't really never want to do that. And then
(07:31):
they were talking about the fact that maybe it's a
drama comedy, and their producing partner said, you should call
it Shixa, which was the original title of the show,
and that's why they say the word shisa all the
way through it.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Okay, that would have been a great title for the show.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I agree. I mean it took me a while to
kind of get around my head around nobody wants this,
but Shixa is I'm gonna butcher the meaning it basically
means like now, like a blonde, white non Jewish woman
who will like steal a Jewish man away from his
family in front of specific But they did a focus
group after it had been filmed and so many people
didn't know what Shixa was, so they got rid of it,
which Adam Brody was quite upset about. But they've made
(08:06):
their peace with it. So it's only loosely based on
Aaron Foster's life. And also what's interesting is she sold
the show and hadn't told her husband about it, and
then she was getting emails being like where are the pages,
where are the ideas?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And she's like, oh, I have to tell him now
that I've sold a show in our life. But he
was like okay with it, and they changed it so much,
like changed it to a rabbi. Everyone thinks that Justine
Loop's character who plays Morgan, is based on Sarah, but
it's not.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Oh, because they're both sisters.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yes, yes, and Sarah worked on the show as well,
but Justine's like very different to her. The one thing
that is I love I think she's probably my face.
Oh oh my god. Yes, we will get to her
because there's a whole backstory there. The only thing I
thought was quite interesting listening to them talk about what's
real is that their mom, who they're very close with.
But you know that scene in the show where she's
like I saw my doctor and I've got terrible news
(08:52):
and like, oh my god, mom, you've got cancer. And
she goes, oh, I just can't pronounce the letter. See
that's a real thing their mom said to them. Where Yeah,
she'll say she'll go and see be like girls have
to tell you something, and they'll say, oh my god,
mom wan She'll be like, oh, I just I've lost
the letter. See all this, or like Aaron was saying
that she had a pinch nerve from breastfeeding because she
was like eating funny all the time, and she was
telling her mom and her mom is like, it's not
(09:13):
a pinch nerve and like put into her negatis. This
is where you hold fear, and you've got fear about
the show coming out. She's like, no, Mom, I think
I'm actually physically hurt.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So a lot of similarities there, But apart from that, yeah,
they made up the like how they met, so that's
all fictionalized. The rabbi part is fictionalized. Also, Aaron Foster's
in laws weren't awful to her at all or didn't
like put her through all of that terror that they
do in the show. But as she said, you've got
to up the drama, You've gotta have steaks.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So why do you think is like the reason exactly
why this has done so well.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I think a lot of it is the nostalgia of
just having these two iconic characters together, because you have
Kristen Bell, who I mean, I became obsessed with her
in Ronni Kamars and I've been obsessed with her ever since.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And you said they're kind of like the saying generation Like,
I think they're both aiming at a certain type of generation.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Oh yeah, I mean, this is obviously for the elder millennials,
but anyone can watch it, and obviously we've seen them
in both the things past. But with him being on
the OC and her being on Vernda Kahmas, I think
that there was this bringing these two fandoms together and
they were really aware of it, because they both really
lent into that during the press tour. Kristen Bell has
always spoken very highly of Ronni Khmas and was instrumental
in getting the movie made and the reboot made. Adam
(10:22):
Brodie's had a much more difficult time with the OC
over the years in terms of not wanting to talk
about it. But he's to his credit, he has leaned
and hard on this press tour and he's like, if
you want to talk about the OC, I'm happy too.
I appreciate that you guys still love it, and but
I also think even without that, it's still just the
rom com element, the based on the true story and
just how good.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Like me, I hadn't watched Veronier Kamaras or The OC,
and I.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Was obsessed with that absolutely kills me. You, Emily, you
at least have to watch the OC. It holds up?
Can I tell you? It holds up? You will love it? Yes.
I can't imagine you watching nobody wants this without having
the importance of Seth Cold in your head. Like I'm
not saying it's a bad thing, but I can't even
was a rabbi, no, oh my god, but he was
(11:05):
infamously a Jewish, Like being Jewish is a big part
of his story.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Lie know him from Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay, but I just like two seconds.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Two seconds he was even Godmore Girls was enough.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I just I mean, I got homework, you really do.
I don't know how you really took in the show
without that background knowledge, But that's fine.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So everyone's talking about christ and Bell and Adam Brody,
but they were the standouts for me.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh who were the standouts?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Morgan and Sasha.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yes, they were incredible.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Timothy Simons, have you watched Veep? Yes, he is so
brilliant in that, but obviously quite an icky character. Yeah,
And I think he plays this role that I literally
never have seen before ever in TV or movies. It's
like the married brother that could cheat on his wife
but never does, and it's like this weird area that
(11:57):
he left me and where I was just waiting for
it to happen and it never did.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, he's sort of set up. In any other show
or movie he would be the bad guy in a way,
and they sort of do set him up like that.
But I think that's the thing. Everyone in the show
is much more nuanced then you initially think, like you think, oh,
that's going to be the bad person or the good person,
or this person's going to think this, and then they're
all quite layered. And I think especially with Morgan, because
I know you're interested in their relationship with Justine Loop
(12:22):
she was in Succession, Yes, in Succession and the marvelous
Missus Maisel and so she's no one for those really
prestige roles. And also interestingly, Aaron Foster was saying they
were seeing a lot of different actresses for this role,
so other roles they had that once Kristen Bell signed on,
she became an executive producer. It's like, yep, she's in it.
Kristin Bell said, I want Adam Brody. They got him.
(12:43):
Jackie Tone, who plays Est is one of Kristin Bell's
very best friends of twenty five years from Veronica Mar's day.
She's like a little cameo, but they've been best friends
ever since. This was the Morgan roles one they were
casting for, and sad all these actresses, some really famous,
some not, but a lot of them were being really difficult.
Sarah and Aaron were saying that they wouldn't audition, they
wouldn't read the pages. And Justine came to them, and
(13:05):
she's got the quite an impressive resume. Came to them
and said, I just want this role so much. Do anything.
You want me to audition ten times? Oh, audition ten times.
You want me to put myself on tape, you want
me to do this anything you want? And they were like, yeah,
you can have it. Because you seem great.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Put in the world. Yeah, collor Girl Boss.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Which is funny because Sarah Foster has a teenage daughter
called Valentina, and they said they're going to cast her
in the show, I think is the role of Miriam,
and they said to her, they're real street talk because
they said to her like, look, you're a NEPO baby,
so you can have it. You can have the role.
All you have to do is that you have to
physically come in the room and audition, because that's just
the rule for everyone. And she just didn't turn up,
so they gave the role to someone else, and afterwards.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
She was like, hey, I'm good you didn't give me.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
That was meant to be my role, and they're like,
all you had to do was show up and basically
do nothing else and you couldn't even do that, so
you don't having it.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Not deserve She was also five months pregnant doing the She.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Was pregnant the beginning and didn't tell anyone and then
obviously got progressively more pregnant than they shot. So I
think they covered it quite well because you can see
in the end she's in very loose, very flowy clothes
and so her like very pregnant something that she's showing
photos you can't see.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
She plays that role of like she's Joanne's sister, but
I guess the single best friend. She plays it so
well where in certain scenes when Joanne's talking about like
her new boyfriend and how much she loves him, her
face every single woman knows exactly what's happening in her
brain when she's like thinking and like listening to these
(14:29):
stories and thinking about it. And she plays that well,
which also didn't surprise me. And I'm glad that she
didn't come across as a villain when she leant into
the relationship with Noah's brother, even knowing that he's married
and stuff like saying that I had a sex dream
about him, like we're really close. Yeah, And I'm glad
that that didn't take away from like who she was
(14:51):
like as a person. Yeah, because they're always made out
to be the villains, like the single, like sad woman.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, I really agree with that. There's moments where she
could have lent into that, yeah, like the shrill best friend.
It's like how the brother could have gone into the
villain mode. She could have been to the shrill, angry sister.
Or they were really setting her up at first not
to be is like to be like the one who
lets the business down. I actually think that the relationship
between the two sisters is one of the most interesting
and intricate parts of this story. I mean, you and
(15:17):
I both have sisters, and there's so many elements to this.
It's like the way they talk to each other, like
the snappy things they say, and the way they said
could exactly, and the way they make up two seconds later,
the way they just like share thoughts across, like just
looking at each other like it's very it's so sister coded.
And I think that's where you can tell the shows
created by two sisters because the dynamic is so spot on.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And I was really impressed with the direction of the
fight that they had both the sisters, that the audience
knew what actually happened, like the audience were aware of
the truth, because I think if the audience weren't aware
and were kind of like looking at it through Joanne's lens,
she could have come across so badly.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, so the.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Sisters are fighting because it was like an evolvement with
an ex girlfriend. Joanne sent Morgan to do recon Morgan
came to Joanne and told her what she saw, and
Joanne's like, I don't believe you, like you're lying to me.
And then Morgan says things along the line of you've
become so boring since you've got into a relationship, like
I'm the one who has to like hold up the podcast.
(16:15):
Now you're keeping things from an audience. And it kind
of took me by surprise because these women are meant
to be like in their thirties forties, and it's that
line that every woman says at some point in her life,
but it's usually around like the early twenties when your
friends are getting into relationships for the first time. It's
like that snappy area of friendship where you realize that
(16:39):
your person has found another person and you're not in
on that. They're not telling you everything about their life.
They're building another life with someone else that you're not
in on, and then you just snap and you say
stuff like that. And I think they played it safe
by making them sisters, because sisters will always forgive each other.
But I feel like it would have been so much
more complicated if they were best friends.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, that's so true. I love that you've pointed that
out because I think also it hits you maybe even
worse in your thirties and early forties, which there's been
a lot of back and forth over their ages before
the sh so aired. Kristin Bell and Adam Brody said
that they never confirmed their ages in the show, but
they're both forty four in real life, so like it's
not out of the realm of possibility that these characters
(17:23):
are in their forties. And Kristin Bell when asked about
her character, she's like, oh, she's thirty ish at twelve,
so kind of saying that potentially like they are in
their forties, even though they never actually say it. And
so both of them were saying that sometimes the stakes
do seem higher because it's a life stage where so
many people have coupled off. And so if you're someone
(17:43):
in your late thirties or early forties, your pool of
other like single people who you make your family with,
whether that's your sister or your best friend or anyone
in that circle, it gets really small, and that idea
that that person will pair off and leave you to
an extent is like quite a real fear.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Because it's like you're not even going to break up
with me, like you're just going to leave. And it
also what they did really well is show the hidden
cost of being the single woman, like the fact that
Joanne goes to care with Noah and Morgan's left to
kind of deal with the business and go to the
meetings and stuff, which I thought was done so brilliantly,
because there are these like little things that when your
friend gets into a relationship, it's just accepted by society
(18:24):
that that's a really important thing for her to work
on and develop, and you just have to make good
with the scraps left behind.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Oh my god, I feel that
in my bones because if you're a single person in
a friendship group, there are certain rules that it's an
unspoken thing you have to follow, and I follow them
to and I hate that about myself. But it's like
if my friends are planning a trip or at night
we're going out to dinner, I'll say like, oh, well,
it's just me, so like anywhere you guys want to
go anytime, it'll work out, Like I'll just make myself
available or oh you must be really you might have
(18:54):
this busy thing on, like I can do this part
thing for you, or if you're going on a trip,
you're like, oh, you guys have the room, like the
floor and they're all paying the same amount.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
My back, I can tell you that right now.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It's a thing of like you want to like let
people know that, like, oh, I know that this is
a really important thing, and I'm not judging you, so
I'll like kind of like pull myself back a little bit.
And I think Morgan does that in the show You're
so right, because she was like, at the end of
the day, we all agree relationship trumps anything else, even
though it shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
And it's like the importance of friendship, right like even
when it comes to just dating, like Joanne is, it's
if your friend is in a relationship and she's made
plans with her partner, that's okay. But if you've made
plans to go on a first date, that's not okay,
Like you should cancel because we had these plans. And yes,
it's like the complete indifference, Like people in relationships are
(19:44):
allowed to have that secondary life, but you're their life.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah exactly, and idea your life, yeah exactly. And I
get the other side of it too, because that's what
comes into play here. Is Joanne is kind of saying, like,
you and I have had this relationship, well our whole
lives because we're sisters, but now this business relationship, we've
built this huge thing up, but now I have this
other thing and it's in a really fragile state. It's
our first weekend together. Like, and there's also that understanding
that we've been through so much to get can't you
(20:11):
help me through this new bit of my relationship? And
I understand that part of it too, because you should
also be able to be like, at this point in time,
I'll pick up the slack for you. And they talk
about Morgan, like being divorced and stuff, so you kind
of think, like, knowing how sisters work, that like during
all that Joanne would have picked up the extra things,
or during her marriage would have picked up extra things,
(20:31):
and so it's like this give and take. But it
is really hard to manage those dynamics behind the scenes,
and it's.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
The fact that you're scared to also speak up, Like
I think the whole reason that blew up was because
Joanne thought Morgan was jealous of her relationship, which is
why she assumed she lied. And that's why I feel
like so many single women when they never want to
speak up because they automatically assumed that their friend would
just be like, Oh, you're just you're saying that because
you're jealous.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Its kind of seems like the ultimate trunk hard to
get thrown back in your face if you say anything
about your friend's relationship, like hey, you're being really selfish
or he's treating you like shit, and then it's like
what Joanne says, She's like, you're just angry because you're
back on the sad dating apps. It's like that gets
thrown back in your face. So it does kind of
cut down what you can say, Oh my god, the relationship.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
You're like, I'm angry from this whole time exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
There's layers to this, but yeah, that's why I thought
the Sister dynam was so good and that's why it's
like this huge. One of the best moments for me
is when they walk into the bar mits for it
so hot. I'm like, you know what that is the
triumph power.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
It shows you that we have to talk about in
my opinion, the best episode in the entire.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Can I say when I watch this because I watched
the screeners a lot earlier than you. And as I
was watching it, I thought, God, Emily is gonna love
this bit. This is your episode.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Perfect piece of cinema I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Give them an oscar, even though it's a TV show,
gives them an oscar.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
The scene I've never seen in any other dating show
or movie. And I guess that's because it's mainly like
a modern phenomenon. Right, Yeah, So it's about the ick.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Oh, the ick?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
The ick? How would you explain the The ick is
where you're dating someone romantically and they do something that's
completely normal, that's not like bizarre or dangerous or a
red flag. Something that's so normal, but you don't like it.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It's just a little of kilter, Like they say something
a bit awkward in front of people, or they'll start
eating in a funny way, or so in my case,
I said, don't sit on my bed in your outdoor
clothes and be gross in my bedroom. That's that my
last situation ship ended. I mean, obviously other things. I
got the ick so bad from that, or can just
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sometimes the way they just like, they'll pronounce words wrong,
or it's something so little. Mine was the way they eat.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I was in an arcade for a date. Yeah, and
we were playing ping pong and then the ping pong
ball went away and he couldn't he couldn't get it.
He was running, but it wasn't like a run to
get it. Was like you know that run where you're
like ben to death and chasing it. That's so the.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Ick and also once you get it, it hits you.
So yeah, it's all you can think about.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
And if you like them. The whole theory about it
behind the ech is that if you like them, even
if they do these ikey things, you will still find
them attractive. But this wasn't the case.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
In this I think for the first time in documented
cinema history, we saw a true case of the eck
and the wild that was overcome. That's revolutionary.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So no one comes in in this suit jacket because.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
He's thrown off because he was expecting just to hang
out with his sisters. And you can see that he's
really built himself up with Morgan. He's bought her all
these funny gifts. He's looking really chill, and he's like,
I'm just one of you, like I'm one of the sisters.
And then all of a sudden, the parents are coming
and the dad's new boyfriend, and the whole game change.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
The whole game changes. He leaves, he goes against flowers.
He comes back. They're talking about like Italy. He yells,
pray go.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
She gets it from the second she opens the door.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
She looks at him.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Everything's a bit off because he looks really flustered, and
before that he looked very cool, calm and collected. The
flowers are way too big for the event he's at
and he can't hold them properly. And it's the jacket,
what does he call this? His sports coat? Sports coat,
his shorts And when her eyes trailed down from the
jacket to the shorts, I got the ick for Adam
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Brodie myself.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, it's like her portrayal of like showing what the
ike looks like on a woman's face and real life
was brilliant. And it's when he yelled out pray go
in kind of everyone, which is like kind of normal,
and she turns to him and says something in my
worst night, miss She goes, why did you say that
so loud? He's like did I? And like everyone else
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in the room is so fine?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah? Yeah, Like it's like, no, the itck only hits you.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
It only hits you, and I just think I was
like if I said something and like my partner turned
to me and said, why did you say that so loudly,
I would belt to the floor die. So she needs
a bit of like time away. She goes outside, like
he leaves him with her family, goes outside, and Morgan,
because she's a best friend and every woman knows the
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ick face, says, I know exactly what has happened, and
it was so easy, right like the script. Afterwards, she
just goes, Oh, that sucks. I can't believe I have
to break up with him, because I'm like, that's what
you do when you get the eke, you break up.
And he just turns it completely around.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Which again that is a testament to the strength of
her relationship moreso than converting or anything else that happens.
And it's because at the end of the days she
can really move past it. But you can see also
he's a bit trying to turn it around as well
and seeing her family kind of accept him as well.
There's a lot of layers to getting over the ink.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
We also need to talk about the second, I guess
most fun episode. It was the camp episode Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So Noah is at this Jewish camp that he leads,
and he's bought Joanne on as like his date and
like they're technically meant to be girlfriend a boyfriend at
this point, although it's never been communicated between either of them.
So they're at the camp together. She's kind of pushing herself.
I would say, she's pushing herself to kind of like
understand his culture, understand his community. She wants to learn
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more about him, She wants to watch him give these sermon,
she wants to learn about his career, and he tries
to hide her. It feels like he's a bit embarrassed
about her, and that is clear when she ends up
talking to a group of.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Young girls, a group of young.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Girls who I would say, ah like in their like
fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The scariest of ages, the scariest nothing's worse than a
teenage girl, right, there's so much scarier today. They have
way more information and power, and they all look like
they're in their forties because of how they do their
hair and makeup, and so they're just a lot scarier
than they were back in the day. And they can
get you in multiple places because they have online access.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
A teenage girl who sees me and a man who
asks me, is he your boyfriend? Is my worst night?
It's like, I don't know, you're not meant to ask
me that, You're meant to just accept it as who
we are, like all my other friends in fair exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And they have this very idealized thoughts of like what
a woman in a relationship should be. And it's one
of those things where like at a young age you
think things are a bit simple, like yeah, like you know,
you should do this and show your worth and make
him say that. And they're saying that to Joanne and
her whole you can see she's horrified saying that about
her in front of her.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
There's this one scene where she's like, guys, I don't
want to be lusting after a man when I'm fifty.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Like it's like, I'm right here, right here, I know
her worst night. They're coming true way worse than the egg.
And also because it's worse for her because she's like,
my whole life and personality is based off the fact
that I'm a strong, independent woman who doesn't take shit.
And now you, as she says to Noah later on,
she's like, you may be like dumb in front of
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the teenagers, the people whose opinions I care about the most.
And I was like, fuck, that's so true, so true.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
And the teenagers actually made her realize, like they broke
her out of that love spell where she was just
gonna hide away in a cabin for the entire week again.
And she's like, no, I need to go for a
work meeting. Like, if you're not gonna want me here,
I'm gonna get out of here. And if she gets
out of here, and then the teenagers tell off.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Noah exactly like, well, hot, come, hot, Rabbi, Hot rabbi,
And that's the whole reason he wants to take her there.
Obviously he has to go for work. But then he
was like, he says, like, I know they call me
hot rabbi.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
They're like, and you're being a dick.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I just also we all need teenagers like that in
our lives.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I know. Well, they did speak the truth, and I
think that's the kind of interesting thing is that they
almost remind her she's in a rom com and what
she's supposed to kind of how she's supposed to act.
And then Adam Brodie's character acts very appropriately, which I
feel kind of interesting. I feel like the reason people
have just fallen so in love with the character of
Nowhere is like, yes, everyone loves Adam Brodie, but that
wouldn't have been enough to get through. I think what's
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super interesting is that he's almost this like idealized version
of what we all want in a partner like he is.
It's almost like wish fulfillment. It's like it's like our
version of a Disney Prince for women who have been
through the hard slog of dating and relationships and who
are in their by the thirties or forties. Because there's
so many moments that the feels are just pulled straight
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from people's lives, and it's like that one scene that's
going viral at the moment where she's getting really freaked out,
thinking like she's too much, which is something we all
get told a lot, especially if you're still single at
that age. It's this idea like, well, you're too much,
you're too out there, you're to this, and he just like,
I can handle you. It's fine.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah. And he also is that idea that women who
are dating like there's like a list of things that
we inherently have learned and know that you shouldn't go for,
Like you shouldn't go from a man who's just come
out of a fresh relationship. You shouldn't go from a
man who gives you the ig. You shouldn't go from
a man who tried to hide you in a cabin.
It could work, and like they make it into this
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big thing as like it's okay if you still like him,
because you're both learning and you're both growing.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
One thing they worked really hard on was that their
kisses would be really great because it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Their kisses were crazy good.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, they worked really hard on both. Well, it's funny
because for a show that's hyped is like the most
romantic show of the year, there's not a lot of
physical affection. There's no sex scenes anything like that. Like,
it's actually very devoid of that level of intimacy. The
intimacy we see is in their conversations or just the
way they interact, almost in public. Because Adam Brody had
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this thing at the beginning of the show where he said, like,
I'm always just gonna have my hands on her face,
and then Kristen Bell said like we've got to look
into each other's eyes for as long as we can
before we kiss every time, even if we feel uncomfortable,
even if it feels weird, We're just got to commit
to that. So when you see their kisses, there's so
much build up to the way they're standing, the way
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he's always got his hands over her face, the way
they do it. And it's so funny because the kiss
scene that's the most famous from the show, where they
kiss in the street. Out of already hates that scene really,
he thinks, well, he likes the kiss part of it,
he doesn't like the setup because if you remember, that's
the part where he's like, put down your ice cream
that he hated that, but he hated the line where
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he says put down your bag. And afterwards, Kristen Bell
is like, Okay, I didn't agree with you when we
were shooting it. I thought you were being a bit,
you know, ridiculous and you won't understand what was happening.
But now that I look at the scene, it is
a bit weird because I think initially she was meant
to have like a really big heavy shoulder bag, so
he put down your bag. It was going to be
a bit of a sexy someone's going to take it. Yeah,
so she puts down this tiny little bag. It's like
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that bag was not in the way, and Adam Body
has then a few different interviews, He's like hated that.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
They're also like in the middle of a sidewalk. I'm like,
of course, no one's walking behind you. I would have
been like that one grumpy buson like, can you like
at least move to the side. You're going to do this,
and now your bags in the way and I'm tripping
over that.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
But apart from that, it was a great kids and
they shot that kiss apparently so many times, like into
the early hours of the morning to make it really
to make it perfect. And it's this whole thing of
these two people just having that like undeniable spark. So
coming into the last episode, which is like I guess
kind of almost comes down to yes, the bumm it's
for and the kind of epic entry of Morgan and
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Joe Amne, But it also refused me the last episode,
Oh how too hard into it? Well, it was meant
to be the final kind of showdown between Joanne and
Noah's family, but also the cementing of Noah and Joan's
relationship with her, like saying that she would convert for him.
One thing I think it's important to say about Noah's
family is that everyone on the show has said they're
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a fictionalized version. But I think it's important to note
that a lot of Jewish women have not been super happy.
I mean not speaking for everyone, but like, when a
show comes out like this, I try and really like
go and seek out heaps of different people's opinions on
it and what different people from different backgrounds think, because
what I take away from a show is going to
be very different from say, what a Jewish woman takes
way of show, what a married woman takes away to show,
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even what someone living in a different country takes away
from a show. And I have seen some women say
that they didn't sometimes love this stereotype of like the
angry Jewish woman, the shrew, the villain, and I think
we see a lot more layers to those characters, especially
Esther with the fantastic Jackie Tone playing her. But I
do understand that if you have seen a stereotype in
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pop culture, and as we know, entertainment and pop culture
are so good at taking these stereotypes and blowing them up.
That that would be hard to.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Watch, Yeah, especially because they were all mean.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, Like there.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Wasn't one that was nice until you ended up seeing
the layers. So I do understand. I think I would
have been slightly offended.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, yeah, I understand that. But also I just love
to kind of the setup of like you have this
moment where in the bar mits of for where Joanne
and Noel or I have this like kiss and it's
all beautiful and she's converting and then she realizes the
stakes and then.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
He starts listening all these things she has to do,
and like he was trying to like because it was
clear that she was converting for him. Yeah, and he
was like, you're doing this for yourself, right, and she
was like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well That's my thing from my very minimal understanding of
the conversion is that the idea is that you go
through a lot and prove your investment in it. Because
the idea is that you convert, even if that person
were to like pass away, then you would still raise
your children Jewish or if you were to break up,
you would still be in the Jewish faith. And so
I think that's why there's like a lot of layers too.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
And I think he also didn't want the responsibility of
it just being on him.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, And I think that's why that showed down with
Rebecca where she was like, you're living my dream, like
just so you know, it's a big deal, and you
almost think like she confirms it. It's almost like she
was never super in love with Noah. She was in
love with the idea of being a rabbi's wife, Yeah,
and the huge place that that held in her culture,
which I understand that, and then seeing Joanne be terrified
by that, and I was like, I was looking at
the time and I'm like, Okay, we've got like four
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minutes to go, what's going to happen here? Because I
knew it was going to end in a way with
them together, but I thought, well, we're going to have
a classic like a chase scene, and I guess they
kind of had that with him being there when she
arrived and the shuttle.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
That in the end, yeah, they care, somebody decide to
stay together. But I think the ending is what confused
me was has he quit Like is.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
He not going to be a rabbi? No, he hasn't
quit being a run.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
He's going to be a rabbi and marry her. But like, well,
this is why I know I'm jumping ahead, but that's
like what the whole thing was about, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I think they decide to still stay together and stay
in a relationship, but they don't decide to put like
in that moment a definitive like this is the only
way we will stay together. They were like, we want
to be together, and we will work this out and
we'll put the work in on both sides.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
And the well because he can't be the head rabbi.
He was told he can't be the head rabbi until
she converted. Yeah, and she doesn't want to.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Well, she just not right now, I think she was.
She was saying, I mean, there's a lot of layers
to it, but this is why, like a season two
hasn't been confirmed yet, but this is why.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
God better it better make me hanging out.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I think it really has legs through a season two
because now you can see them in the throes of
the next part.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
And also like Sasha and Morgan's relationship needs to be developed.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh yeah, I was like, I don't want them to
have an affair, but I kind of do like I love.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Me, like I thought there was something wrong with me.
I wouldn't be mad if they slept together.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
What a show? Just loved it. The Weekend watch.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It is a weekend watch time where we give you
two movies or TV shows to take with you for
this weekend and the rules are as always, you have
to watch them and then give us feedback on how
we did.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Are you just saying the rules out loud to yourself
then to remind yourself. We have to watch them. People
have to work, so everyone go watch them. Well, there's
nothing like in order to make everyone feel like this
is a fun podcast for.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Their fan No, you get homework in this podcast of anything.
So I want to talk about my week and watch
first because I'm very excited. It is Joan on Stan.
It sars Sophie Turner, who we absolutely love. But she's
in this new show called Joan on Stand where she
plays Joan Hannington, who's kind of mimicked after a real
person nicknamed the Godmother. So she was a real person,
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famous jewelry thrief in the eighties in London. Promise me
I won't lose her a tough day.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh yeah, what you do? I'm a thief. What do
you want?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
John?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And I'm almostly dressing her pretending job satisfaction isn't a crime.
What the rest of it is.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I've watched only the first three episodes, like I've binged
them literally in one evening, But Sophie plays these accents
so well, and she kind of shows how with her
like jewelry thief personality, she like changes herself and she
shows that whole process of how she changes herself from
like her real life as like a single mother trying
to make ends and meet she has to put her
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child into foster care just because she needs to make money.
She was involved in like a gang and she had
to escape that, like she's come from a really hard
spot and then on the other side the next day,
she's just kind of like cosplaying as this really glamorous
person who works in a jewelry store, who tries to
work in a hairdresser, who ends up just like stealing
jewelry because she learns about jewelry. She's like, you know what,
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I can steal it, and it is done so so well.
I've only watched the first few episodes, but the way
she kind of portrays a woman who will do anything
to get her daughter back, even commit crime. It's done
so beautifully. It made me cry. Even though it's meant
to be kind of like action e comedy.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
It is an action comedy as well, but it's so good.
I've just started watching it as well, and I love it.
And she's so good and she looks beautiful. Yeah, she's
a hot. Oh my god, it's a good performance as well.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Please put it on your list. I need someone to talk.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
To you about it.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
You're ten, okay.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I feel like this is gonna be a really hard
recommendation for me because I'm already at an emotional ten
after talking about nobody wants this, and this show always
kicks me up to at least a fifteen. I haven't
brought this up for a long time, so just give
me this, okay. As you know, one of my favorite
shows in the entire world is The Walking Dead. And
when the Walking don't say anything Emily, And when The
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Walking Dead ended, I was obviously devastated and I cried
a lot for days.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Though where else it was going to go?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well, the thing is it ended? And then a lot
of the main characters went off and got their own
spin off shows, which I've both loved and hated an
equal measure because I love seeing all my favorite characters
going off in these new journeys, but I also just
hate the fact that they're not together. But one of
the strongest other countries to visit, Yeah, exactly. But one
of the strongest spin offs, I think out of all
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of them was The Walking Dead Darryl Dixon.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Care did he go off by himself?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
He did? He ended up in France, which is real
toning point for someone who never left you.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
But I thought that's where Maggie and Megan went.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
No, no, no, that's they went to New York. Oh, we
can't get into this right now. How did he get
to from It's a whole story. So he went off
to find Rick. We found he was alive. A series
of events brought him to France.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I don't know if this is the player so I'm
supposed to be. I think about all the people are
let fine.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Earth, they're still.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Thinking about me? My man?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
It was he? Where is he?
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Would you give up everything to look for somebody you
have in man?
Speaker 1 (39:40):
It was finding them alive? Yes, if you're not across
The Walking Dead, you could almost watch this show. I
think without it because it does build its own universe.
So Norman Readers plays Darryl Dixon, one of the hottest
characters in history.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
But he's hot because his character's hot.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, he's hot because his character's hot, Like, we don't
want to interact with him in real life. It's the
character was such a huge fan favorite for the over
a decade that The Walking Dead was on air, So
he got a spin off series and it shows him
going to France.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Can I just a spoiler?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I mean, what is it?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I mean if they end up getting it with Carol, No.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I know they would never How dare you got it?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
No?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
So he goes off to France and you could almost
like pick up the story there. I mean, I definitely
think everyone should go watch The Walking Dead because it's
great TV. But it's also just like great world building
of how the Apocalypse and how this disease of people
turning into walkers has affected a different country, and because
it's been around for a few decades now, you have
all these different societies that have sprung up. You have
like this underworld in Paris where people still live these huge,
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glamorous lives, but alongside The Walking Dead and it's got
Clements Posey in it, who you might know from Gossip
Girl and Harry Potter and many other things as the
other lead. And it's just a really well made, great show.
But what's so intense about this new season? So the
first episode of season two has come out on stand
this week, and so Carol from The Walking Dead was
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originally meant to be to spin off with him, but
the actress when the show ended was like, I just
can't go back into filming another show right now. I
need a break. So she wasn't in the first season,
and now she's in the second season.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
God, she's made away over the past.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
So it's Darryl and Carol. I won't spoil anything about
how their characters interact or if they find each other
or anything like that. But when I tell you, when
I sit down to watch this, the tears that were
streaming down my face a hundred ball. I mean, I've
had over a decade with these people, you know what
I mean. Like the intensity of this, Oh, I can't
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even So The Walking Dead, Darryl Dixon, the Book of
Carol is out now on stan Cal. You can watch
season one, and like I said, if you want to
not watch The Walking Dead like I'm judging you, but
you could just jump into this as an amazing show,
this dystopian world. The sets are amazing, the Walkers are amazing.
I just love it so much. New episodes dropping weekly.
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The first one's out more tocom.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
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Speaker 1 (01:19):
From Mom and Maya.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm
m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodneck and on the show today. Look,
we've gotten how many messages do you recond?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So many messages I at at least one hundred fifteen,
but that's still pretty good.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
We've gotten so many messages asking us to do a
brutally honest review of the new Netflix show Nobody wants this.
All the episodes are out now, so there will be
a few spoilers, so make sure you watch before you listen.
But if you don't know, we do these really honest
reviews where we like break down a massive piece of
like pop cultures, usually a TV show or a movie,
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and we are, as the title says, brutally honest. So
we will be doing that, but don't worry, we will
still be doing weekend Watch.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yes, there was so much hype about this show coming up. Well,
I think most people kind of knew, but I guess
like for us, when we first got the announcement of
this filmings this was ages ago and I saw these
behind the scenes photos come through of Kristen Bell and
Adam Brody, who played the two stars of the show,
on the set together, and I saw that it was
based off Aaron Foster's life. I just thought, this is
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going to be such a huge, crazy hit.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
But Aaron Foster is again.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, So Aaron Foster is, in our owner words, a
NEPO baby of Hollywood. But she and her sister Sarah
have become very famous for various projects over the years.
So they are the daughters of David Foster, who we know, yes, well,
he's a very famous music producer, but I think most
people would know him for his many infamous marriages. So
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he was obviously married to the mother of Sarah and Aaron,
but he's also been married to Linda Thompson, who was
married to Caitlyn Jenner for a while and is the
mother of Brody Jenner as in The Hills star Brody Jenner.
So David Foster has been his stepfather.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
They're all Davie Kardashians.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Everyone intersect with the Kardashians in some way. But then
he was also married to Yolanda had Did, who of
course is the mother of a Gigi and Bella ha Did,
so he was their stepfather as well. And now he
is married to Katherine McPhee and he's about thirty to
forty years older than her, I think, so he loves
Maria big. He loves a marriage. He loves getting married,
just a hopeless romantic. Is the Jayla of the Older
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White Men music set, and it was a bit controversial
when he and Katherine McFee got married because he had
been her mentor on Australian Idol and everyone saw them
as like a father daughter relationship because of the huge
age gap. But they're happily married now they have a kid,
and Katherine McFee has quite a funny relationship with Aaron
and Sarah Foster, like online because they're all the same
age and they call her mom wicked Stepsis Star. When
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Aaron Foster was getting married, Catherine would like post photos
of herself in wedding dresses and be like, I'm worrying
this to your wedding and it's like it's silly bird,
just like quite funny so Erin and Sarah Foster. They
were both actresses for a while. The most interesting part
of Aaron Foster's life before we get into her marriage,
that has inspired this whole show is that she was
an actress in the early two thousands and she did
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a lot of supporting roles on TV shows. Very notably,
she was an episode of Gilmore Girls which obviously Adam
Brodie was on. He played Dave Rogalski. Oh my god,
you're a cross.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yes, I'm very salty about that because then he left
and the worst story line ever.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Hi, okay, well that's a conversation for a different day.
So she's the quote unquote skanky girl that was her title,
who is making out with Zach and then she says
to Lane, sorry, I didn't know you had feelings for him,
and that's when Lane realizes that she does have feelings
for Zach. In Gilmore Girls, So that's Aaron Foster.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
How to hear erin?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, so that's Aaron Foster. But I think Aaron Foster's
most important role in her entire acting career was the
fact that she played Heather on the OC.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So she just following Adam Brodie still is still.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Is following her around. Look, she's put in the work.
She's put in twenty years worth of work to get
him on this show. So I was late and mist
I'll be like, what's going She played Heather on the OC.
I needed to really focus on these details, and she
was in the car that killed Marissa Cooper.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Wait on the OC, Yes, on the OC. What do
you mean like the passenger seat.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yes, because Volchek was driving the car. Her character Heather
was in the car when they smashed into her and
Ryan there was a hole. Like, so she was in
the car that killed Marissa Cooper and now she has
made a show starring break Apart. Then she realized exactly,
and she kept that a secret from Adam Brody during
the whole filming of Nobody wants this because she's like,
that's quite embarrassing that we didn't know. He didn't know.
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But then a journalists foun out he didn't know, and
she was hiding it and told him in an interview
to get a reaction, and he's like, oh, actually I
have a memory of that, but I did think it
was Sarah, So he thought Sarah was on the show anyway.
It's a twisted web.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So that was Aaron's crazy acting live with Adam Brody
as like her fellow like leader, I want a third collaboration,
the third collaborations one he's aware of. So, but I've
heard that the main character in the show, played by
Kristen b Well, Joanne, is actually mimicked after Aaron's personal
So is she a podcaster?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah? So she and her sister have a podcast called
I think it's the world's first podcast, is what it's called.
Because it came out late. That's there.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
They as good as we they have they have.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Better maybe like more intimate clib stories than we do.
Why they're better than.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Us, that's because I'm not both, which I our best.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And they have a very successful clothing line together. They've
made TV shows before. They did a mockumentary about trying
to be famous, which is like a really funny show
if anyone hasn't watched it. But they had a deal
to create a show because they've both written on shows before,
and they do a lot of different investing, like they
were the creative heads of Bumble, Like there's a whole
kind of background to their careers. They were pitching a
bunch of shows and at the time, Yes, so Aaron
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when she was thirty five met her now husband and
he was Jewish and so she converted to Judaism to
so they could marry. And they now have a little
girl called Noah who's like barely a year old. Again,
the information not about these people, And was he a rabbi? No,
he's not a rabbit.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
There's a lot of the just would.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Have pushed up the drama a little bit, yay, because
they wanted more tension. The show, they've said very loosely
based on a real story. So what happened is they
were with their producing partner and they were talking about
different ideas, like in an elevator going to another meeting,
and she was talking about doing her conversion to Judaism,
and their producing partner said, like Erin, this is so interesting,
we should make a documentary about it, and she said, oh,
I don't really never want to do that. And then
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they were talking about the fact that maybe it's a
drama comedy, and their producing partner said, you should call
it Shixa, which was the original title of the show,
and that's why they say the word shisa all the
way through it.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Okay, that would have been a great title for the show.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I agree. I mean it took me a while to
kind of get around my head around nobody wants this,
but Shixa is I'm gonna butcher the meaning it basically
means like now, like a blonde, white non Jewish woman
who will like steal a Jewish man away from his
family in front of specific But they did a focus
group after it had been filmed and so many people
didn't know what Shixa was, so they got rid of it,
which Adam Brody was quite upset about. But they've made
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their peace with it. So it's only loosely based on
Aaron Foster's life. And also what's interesting is she sold
the show and hadn't told her husband about it, and
then she was getting emails being like where are the pages,
where are the ideas?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And she's like, oh, I have to tell him now
that I've sold a show in our life. But he
was like okay with it, and they changed it so much,
like changed it to a rabbi. Everyone thinks that Justine
Loop's character who plays Morgan, is based on Sarah, but
it's not.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Oh, because they're both sisters.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yes, yes, and Sarah worked on the show as well,
but Justine's like very different to her. The one thing
that is I love I think she's probably my face.
Oh oh my god. Yes, we will get to her
because there's a whole backstory there. The only thing I
thought was quite interesting listening to them talk about what's
real is that their mom, who they're very close with.
But you know that scene in the show where she's
like I saw my doctor and I've got terrible news
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and like, oh my god, mom, you've got cancer. And
she goes, oh, I just can't pronounce the letter. See
that's a real thing their mom said to them. Where Yeah,
she'll say she'll go and see be like girls have
to tell you something, and they'll say, oh my god,
mom wan She'll be like, oh, I just I've lost
the letter. See all this, or like Aaron was saying
that she had a pinch nerve from breastfeeding because she
was like eating funny all the time, and she was
telling her mom and her mom is like, it's not
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a pinch nerve and like put into her negatis. This
is where you hold fear, and you've got fear about
the show coming out. She's like, no, Mom, I think
I'm actually physically hurt.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So a lot of similarities there, But apart from that, yeah,
they made up the like how they met, so that's
all fictionalized. The rabbi part is fictionalized. Also, Aaron Foster's
in laws weren't awful to her at all or didn't
like put her through all of that terror that they
do in the show. But as she said, you've got
to up the drama, You've gotta have steaks.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So why do you think is like the reason exactly
why this has done so well.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I think a lot of it is the nostalgia of
just having these two iconic characters together, because you have
Kristen Bell, who I mean, I became obsessed with her
in Ronni Kamars and I've been obsessed with her ever since.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And you said they're kind of like the saying generation Like,
I think they're both aiming at a certain type of generation.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Oh yeah, I mean, this is obviously for the elder millennials,
but anyone can watch it, and obviously we've seen them
in both the things past. But with him being on
the OC and her being on Vernda Kahmas, I think
that there was this bringing these two fandoms together and
they were really aware of it, because they both really
lent into that during the press tour. Kristen Bell has
always spoken very highly of Ronni Khmas and was instrumental
in getting the movie made and the reboot made. Adam
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Brodie's had a much more difficult time with the OC
over the years in terms of not wanting to talk
about it. But he's to his credit, he has leaned
and hard on this press tour and he's like, if
you want to talk about the OC, I'm happy too.
I appreciate that you guys still love it, and but
I also think even without that, it's still just the
rom com element, the based on the true story and
just how good.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Like me, I hadn't watched Veronier Kamaras or The OC,
and I.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Was obsessed with that absolutely kills me. You, Emily, you
at least have to watch the OC. It holds up?
Can I tell you? It holds up? You will love it? Yes.
I can't imagine you watching nobody wants this without having
the importance of Seth Cold in your head. Like I'm
not saying it's a bad thing, but I can't even
was a rabbi, no, oh my god, but he was
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infamously a Jewish, Like being Jewish is a big part
of his story.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Lie know him from Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay, but I just like two seconds.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Two seconds he was even Godmore Girls was enough.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I just I mean, I got homework, you really do.
I don't know how you really took in the show
without that background knowledge, But that's fine.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So everyone's talking about christ and Bell and Adam Brody,
but they were the standouts for me.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh who were the standouts?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Morgan and Sasha.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yes, they were incredible.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Timothy Simons, have you watched Veep? Yes, he is so
brilliant in that, but obviously quite an icky character. Yeah,
And I think he plays this role that I literally
never have seen before ever in TV or movies. It's
like the married brother that could cheat on his wife
but never does, and it's like this weird area that
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he left me and where I was just waiting for
it to happen and it never did.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, he's sort of set up. In any other show
or movie he would be the bad guy in a way,
and they sort of do set him up like that.
But I think that's the thing. Everyone in the show
is much more nuanced then you initially think, like you think, oh,
that's going to be the bad person or the good person,
or this person's going to think this, and then they're
all quite layered. And I think especially with Morgan, because
I know you're interested in their relationship with Justine Loop
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she was in Succession, Yes, in Succession and the marvelous
Missus Maisel and so she's no one for those really
prestige roles. And also interestingly, Aaron Foster was saying they
were seeing a lot of different actresses for this role,
so other roles they had that once Kristen Bell signed on,
she became an executive producer. It's like, yep, she's in it.
Kristin Bell said, I want Adam Brody. They got him.
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Jackie Tone, who plays Est is one of Kristin Bell's
very best friends of twenty five years from Veronica Mar's day.
She's like a little cameo, but they've been best friends
ever since. This was the Morgan roles one they were
casting for, and sad all these actresses, some really famous,
some not, but a lot of them were being really difficult.
Sarah and Aaron were saying that they wouldn't audition, they
wouldn't read the pages. And Justine came to them, and
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she's got the quite an impressive resume. Came to them
and said, I just want this role so much. Do anything.
You want me to audition ten times? Oh, audition ten times.
You want me to put myself on tape, you want
me to do this anything you want? And they were like, yeah,
you can have it. Because you seem great.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Put in the world. Yeah, collor Girl Boss.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Which is funny because Sarah Foster has a teenage daughter
called Valentina, and they said they're going to cast her
in the show, I think is the role of Miriam,
and they said to her, they're real street talk because
they said to her like, look, you're a NEPO baby,
so you can have it. You can have the role.
All you have to do is that you have to
physically come in the room and audition, because that's just
the rule for everyone. And she just didn't turn up,
so they gave the role to someone else, and afterwards.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
She was like, hey, I'm good you didn't give me.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
That was meant to be my role, and they're like,
all you had to do was show up and basically
do nothing else and you couldn't even do that, so
you don't having it.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Not deserve She was also five months pregnant doing the She.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Was pregnant the beginning and didn't tell anyone and then
obviously got progressively more pregnant than they shot. So I
think they covered it quite well because you can see
in the end she's in very loose, very flowy clothes
and so her like very pregnant something that she's showing
photos you can't see.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
She plays that role of like she's Joanne's sister, but
I guess the single best friend. She plays it so
well where in certain scenes when Joanne's talking about like
her new boyfriend and how much she loves him, her
face every single woman knows exactly what's happening in her
brain when she's like thinking and like listening to these
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stories and thinking about it. And she plays that well,
which also didn't surprise me. And I'm glad that she
didn't come across as a villain when she leant into
the relationship with Noah's brother, even knowing that he's married
and stuff like saying that I had a sex dream
about him, like we're really close. Yeah, And I'm glad
that that didn't take away from like who she was
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like as a person. Yeah, because they're always made out
to be the villains, like the single, like sad woman.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, I really agree with that. There's moments where she
could have lent into that, yeah, like the shrill best friend.
It's like how the brother could have gone into the
villain mode. She could have been to the shrill, angry sister.
Or they were really setting her up at first not
to be is like to be like the one who
lets the business down. I actually think that the relationship
between the two sisters is one of the most interesting
and intricate parts of this story. I mean, you and
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I both have sisters, and there's so many elements to this.
It's like the way they talk to each other, like
the snappy things they say, and the way they said
could exactly, and the way they make up two seconds later,
the way they just like share thoughts across, like just
looking at each other like it's very it's so sister coded.
And I think that's where you can tell the shows
created by two sisters because the dynamic is so spot on.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And I was really impressed with the direction of the
fight that they had both the sisters, that the audience
knew what actually happened, like the audience were aware of
the truth, because I think if the audience weren't aware
and were kind of like looking at it through Joanne's lens,
she could have come across so badly.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, so the.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Sisters are fighting because it was like an evolvement with
an ex girlfriend. Joanne sent Morgan to do recon Morgan
came to Joanne and told her what she saw, and
Joanne's like, I don't believe you, like you're lying to me.
And then Morgan says things along the line of you've
become so boring since you've got into a relationship, like
I'm the one who has to like hold up the podcast.
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Now you're keeping things from an audience. And it kind
of took me by surprise because these women are meant
to be like in their thirties forties, and it's that
line that every woman says at some point in her life,
but it's usually around like the early twenties when your
friends are getting into relationships for the first time. It's
like that snappy area of friendship where you realize that
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your person has found another person and you're not in
on that. They're not telling you everything about their life.
They're building another life with someone else that you're not
in on, and then you just snap and you say
stuff like that. And I think they played it safe
by making them sisters, because sisters will always forgive each other.
But I feel like it would have been so much
more complicated if they were best friends.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, that's so true. I love that you've pointed that
out because I think also it hits you maybe even
worse in your thirties and early forties, which there's been
a lot of back and forth over their ages before
the sh so aired. Kristin Bell and Adam Brody said
that they never confirmed their ages in the show, but
they're both forty four in real life, so like it's
not out of the realm of possibility that these characters
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are in their forties. And Kristin Bell when asked about
her character, she's like, oh, she's thirty ish at twelve,
so kind of saying that potentially like they are in
their forties, even though they never actually say it. And
so both of them were saying that sometimes the stakes
do seem higher because it's a life stage where so
many people have coupled off. And so if you're someone
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in your late thirties or early forties, your pool of
other like single people who you make your family with,
whether that's your sister or your best friend or anyone
in that circle, it gets really small, and that idea
that that person will pair off and leave you to
an extent is like quite a real fear.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Because it's like you're not even going to break up
with me, like you're just going to leave. And it
also what they did really well is show the hidden
cost of being the single woman, like the fact that
Joanne goes to care with Noah and Morgan's left to
kind of deal with the business and go to the
meetings and stuff, which I thought was done so brilliantly,
because there are these like little things that when your
friend gets into a relationship, it's just accepted by society
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that that's a really important thing for her to work
on and develop, and you just have to make good
with the scraps left behind.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Oh my god, I feel that
in my bones because if you're a single person in
a friendship group, there are certain rules that it's an
unspoken thing you have to follow, and I follow them
to and I hate that about myself. But it's like
if my friends are planning a trip or at night
we're going out to dinner, I'll say like, oh, well,
it's just me, so like anywhere you guys want to
go anytime, it'll work out, Like I'll just make myself
available or oh you must be really you might have
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this busy thing on, like I can do this part
thing for you, or if you're going on a trip,
you're like, oh, you guys have the room, like the
floor and they're all paying the same amount.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
My back, I can tell you that right now.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It's a thing of like you want to like let
people know that, like, oh, I know that this is
a really important thing, and I'm not judging you, so
I'll like kind of like pull myself back a little bit.
And I think Morgan does that in the show You're
so right, because she was like, at the end of
the day, we all agree relationship trumps anything else, even
though it shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
And it's like the importance of friendship, right like even
when it comes to just dating, like Joanne is, it's
if your friend is in a relationship and she's made
plans with her partner, that's okay. But if you've made
plans to go on a first date, that's not okay,
Like you should cancel because we had these plans. And yes,
it's like the complete indifference, Like people in relationships are
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allowed to have that secondary life, but you're their life.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah exactly, and idea your life, yeah exactly. And I
get the other side of it too, because that's what
comes into play here. Is Joanne is kind of saying, like,
you and I have had this relationship, well our whole
lives because we're sisters, but now this business relationship, we've
built this huge thing up, but now I have this
other thing and it's in a really fragile state. It's
our first weekend together. Like, and there's also that understanding
that we've been through so much to get can't you
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help me through this new bit of my relationship? And
I understand that part of it too, because you should
also be able to be like, at this point in time,
I'll pick up the slack for you. And they talk
about Morgan, like being divorced and stuff, so you kind
of think, like, knowing how sisters work, that like during
all that Joanne would have picked up the extra things,
or during her marriage would have picked up extra things,
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and so it's like this give and take. But it
is really hard to manage those dynamics behind the scenes,
and it's.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
The fact that you're scared to also speak up, Like
I think the whole reason that blew up was because
Joanne thought Morgan was jealous of her relationship, which is
why she assumed she lied. And that's why I feel
like so many single women when they never want to
speak up because they automatically assumed that their friend would
just be like, Oh, you're just you're saying that because
you're jealous.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Its kind of seems like the ultimate trunk hard to
get thrown back in your face if you say anything
about your friend's relationship, like hey, you're being really selfish
or he's treating you like shit, and then it's like
what Joanne says, She's like, you're just angry because you're
back on the sad dating apps. It's like that gets
thrown back in your face. So it does kind of
cut down what you can say, Oh my god, the relationship.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
You're like, I'm angry from this whole time exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
There's layers to this, but yeah, that's why I thought
the Sister dynam was so good and that's why it's
like this huge. One of the best moments for me
is when they walk into the bar mits for it
so hot. I'm like, you know what that is the
triumph power.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
It shows you that we have to talk about in
my opinion, the best episode in the entire.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Can I say when I watch this because I watched
the screeners a lot earlier than you. And as I
was watching it, I thought, God, Emily is gonna love
this bit. This is your episode.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Perfect piece of cinema I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Give them an oscar, even though it's a TV show,
gives them an oscar.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
The scene I've never seen in any other dating show
or movie. And I guess that's because it's mainly like
a modern phenomenon. Right, Yeah, So it's about the ick.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Oh, the ick?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
The ick? How would you explain the The ick is
where you're dating someone romantically and they do something that's
completely normal, that's not like bizarre or dangerous or a
red flag. Something that's so normal, but you don't like it.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It's just a little of kilter, Like they say something
a bit awkward in front of people, or they'll start
eating in a funny way, or so in my case,
I said, don't sit on my bed in your outdoor
clothes and be gross in my bedroom. That's that my
last situation ship ended. I mean, obviously other things. I
got the ick so bad from that, or can just
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sometimes the way they just like, they'll pronounce words wrong,
or it's something so little. Mine was the way they eat.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I was in an arcade for a date. Yeah, and
we were playing ping pong and then the ping pong
ball went away and he couldn't he couldn't get it.
He was running, but it wasn't like a run to
get it. Was like you know that run where you're
like ben to death and chasing it. That's so the.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Ick and also once you get it, it hits you.
So yeah, it's all you can think about.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
And if you like them. The whole theory about it
behind the ech is that if you like them, even
if they do these ikey things, you will still find
them attractive. But this wasn't the case.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
In this I think for the first time in documented
cinema history, we saw a true case of the eck
and the wild that was overcome. That's revolutionary.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So no one comes in in this suit jacket because.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
He's thrown off because he was expecting just to hang
out with his sisters. And you can see that he's
really built himself up with Morgan. He's bought her all
these funny gifts. He's looking really chill, and he's like,
I'm just one of you, like I'm one of the sisters.
And then all of a sudden, the parents are coming
and the dad's new boyfriend, and the whole game change.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
The whole game changes. He leaves, he goes against flowers.
He comes back. They're talking about like Italy. He yells,
pray go.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
She gets it from the second she opens the door.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
She looks at him.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Everything's a bit off because he looks really flustered, and
before that he looked very cool, calm and collected. The
flowers are way too big for the event he's at
and he can't hold them properly. And it's the jacket,
what does he call this? His sports coat? Sports coat,
his shorts And when her eyes trailed down from the
jacket to the shorts, I got the ick for Adam
(24:16):
Brodie myself.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, it's like her portrayal of like showing what the
ike looks like on a woman's face and real life
was brilliant. And it's when he yelled out pray go
in kind of everyone, which is like kind of normal,
and she turns to him and says something in my
worst night, miss She goes, why did you say that
so loud? He's like did I? And like everyone else
(24:37):
in the room is so fine?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah? Yeah, Like it's like, no, the itck only hits you.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
It only hits you, and I just think I was
like if I said something and like my partner turned
to me and said, why did you say that so loudly,
I would belt to the floor die. So she needs
a bit of like time away. She goes outside, like
he leaves him with her family, goes outside, and Morgan,
because she's a best friend and every woman knows the
(25:00):
ick face, says, I know exactly what has happened, and
it was so easy, right like the script. Afterwards, she
just goes, Oh, that sucks. I can't believe I have
to break up with him, because I'm like, that's what
you do when you get the eke, you break up.
And he just turns it completely around.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Which again that is a testament to the strength of
her relationship moreso than converting or anything else that happens.
And it's because at the end of the days she
can really move past it. But you can see also
he's a bit trying to turn it around as well
and seeing her family kind of accept him as well.
There's a lot of layers to getting over the ink.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
We also need to talk about the second, I guess
most fun episode. It was the camp episode Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So Noah is at this Jewish camp that he leads,
and he's bought Joanne on as like his date and
like they're technically meant to be girlfriend a boyfriend at
this point, although it's never been communicated between either of them.
So they're at the camp together. She's kind of pushing herself.
I would say, she's pushing herself to kind of like
understand his culture, understand his community. She wants to learn
(25:59):
more about him, She wants to watch him give these sermon,
she wants to learn about his career, and he tries
to hide her. It feels like he's a bit embarrassed
about her, and that is clear when she ends up
talking to a group of.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Young girls, a group of young.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Girls who I would say, ah like in their like
fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The scariest of ages, the scariest nothing's worse than a
teenage girl, right, there's so much scarier today. They have
way more information and power, and they all look like
they're in their forties because of how they do their
hair and makeup, and so they're just a lot scarier
than they were back in the day. And they can
get you in multiple places because they have online access.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
A teenage girl who sees me and a man who
asks me, is he your boyfriend? Is my worst night?
It's like, I don't know, you're not meant to ask
me that, You're meant to just accept it as who
we are, like all my other friends in fair exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And they have this very idealized thoughts of like what
a woman in a relationship should be. And it's one
of those things where like at a young age you
think things are a bit simple, like yeah, like you know,
you should do this and show your worth and make
him say that. And they're saying that to Joanne and
her whole you can see she's horrified saying that about
her in front of her.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
There's this one scene where she's like, guys, I don't
want to be lusting after a man when I'm fifty.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Like it's like, I'm right here, right here, I know
her worst night. They're coming true way worse than the egg.
And also because it's worse for her because she's like,
my whole life and personality is based off the fact
that I'm a strong, independent woman who doesn't take shit.
And now you, as she says to Noah later on,
she's like, you may be like dumb in front of
(27:37):
the teenagers, the people whose opinions I care about the most.
And I was like, fuck, that's so true, so true.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
And the teenagers actually made her realize, like they broke
her out of that love spell where she was just
gonna hide away in a cabin for the entire week again.
And she's like, no, I need to go for a
work meeting. Like, if you're not gonna want me here,
I'm gonna get out of here. And if she gets
out of here, and then the teenagers tell off.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Noah exactly like, well, hot, come, hot, Rabbi, Hot rabbi,
And that's the whole reason he wants to take her there.
Obviously he has to go for work. But then he
was like, he says, like, I know they call me
hot rabbi.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
They're like, and you're being a dick.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I just also we all need teenagers like that in
our lives.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I know. Well, they did speak the truth, and I
think that's the kind of interesting thing is that they
almost remind her she's in a rom com and what
she's supposed to kind of how she's supposed to act.
And then Adam Brodie's character acts very appropriately, which I
feel kind of interesting. I feel like the reason people
have just fallen so in love with the character of
Nowhere is like, yes, everyone loves Adam Brodie, but that
wouldn't have been enough to get through. I think what's
(28:34):
super interesting is that he's almost this like idealized version
of what we all want in a partner like he is.
It's almost like wish fulfillment. It's like it's like our
version of a Disney Prince for women who have been
through the hard slog of dating and relationships and who
are in their by the thirties or forties. Because there's
so many moments that the feels are just pulled straight
(28:55):
from people's lives, and it's like that one scene that's
going viral at the moment where she's getting really freaked out,
thinking like she's too much, which is something we all
get told a lot, especially if you're still single at
that age. It's this idea like, well, you're too much,
you're too out there, you're to this, and he just like,
I can handle you. It's fine.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah. And he also is that idea that women who
are dating like there's like a list of things that
we inherently have learned and know that you shouldn't go for,
Like you shouldn't go from a man who's just come
out of a fresh relationship. You shouldn't go from a
man who gives you the ig. You shouldn't go from
a man who tried to hide you in a cabin.
It could work, and like they make it into this
(29:34):
big thing as like it's okay if you still like him,
because you're both learning and you're both growing.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
One thing they worked really hard on was that their
kisses would be really great because it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Their kisses were crazy good.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, they worked really hard on both. Well, it's funny
because for a show that's hyped is like the most
romantic show of the year, there's not a lot of
physical affection. There's no sex scenes anything like that. Like,
it's actually very devoid of that level of intimacy. The
intimacy we see is in their conversations or just the
way they interact, almost in public. Because Adam Brody had
(30:05):
this thing at the beginning of the show where he said, like,
I'm always just gonna have my hands on her face,
and then Kristen Bell said like we've got to look
into each other's eyes for as long as we can
before we kiss every time, even if we feel uncomfortable,
even if it feels weird, We're just got to commit
to that. So when you see their kisses, there's so
much build up to the way they're standing, the way
(30:26):
he's always got his hands over her face, the way
they do it. And it's so funny because the kiss
scene that's the most famous from the show, where they
kiss in the street. Out of already hates that scene really,
he thinks, well, he likes the kiss part of it,
he doesn't like the setup because if you remember, that's
the part where he's like, put down your ice cream
that he hated that, but he hated the line where
(30:47):
he says put down your bag. And afterwards, Kristen Bell
is like, Okay, I didn't agree with you when we
were shooting it. I thought you were being a bit,
you know, ridiculous and you won't understand what was happening.
But now that I look at the scene, it is
a bit weird because I think initially she was meant
to have like a really big heavy shoulder bag, so
he put down your bag. It was going to be
a bit of a sexy someone's going to take it. Yeah,
so she puts down this tiny little bag. It's like
(31:09):
that bag was not in the way, and Adam Body
has then a few different interviews, He's like hated that.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
They're also like in the middle of a sidewalk. I'm like,
of course, no one's walking behind you. I would have
been like that one grumpy buson like, can you like
at least move to the side. You're going to do this,
and now your bags in the way and I'm tripping
over that.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
But apart from that, it was a great kids and
they shot that kiss apparently so many times, like into
the early hours of the morning to make it really
to make it perfect. And it's this whole thing of
these two people just having that like undeniable spark. So
coming into the last episode, which is like I guess
kind of almost comes down to yes, the bumm it's
for and the kind of epic entry of Morgan and
(31:45):
Joe Amne, But it also refused me the last episode,
Oh how too hard into it? Well, it was meant
to be the final kind of showdown between Joanne and
Noah's family, but also the cementing of Noah and Joan's
relationship with her, like saying that she would convert for him.
One thing I think it's important to say about Noah's
family is that everyone on the show has said they're
(32:07):
a fictionalized version. But I think it's important to note
that a lot of Jewish women have not been super happy.
I mean not speaking for everyone, but like, when a
show comes out like this, I try and really like
go and seek out heaps of different people's opinions on
it and what different people from different backgrounds think, because
what I take away from a show is going to
be very different from say, what a Jewish woman takes
way of show, what a married woman takes away to show,
(32:27):
even what someone living in a different country takes away
from a show. And I have seen some women say
that they didn't sometimes love this stereotype of like the
angry Jewish woman, the shrew, the villain, and I think
we see a lot more layers to those characters, especially
Esther with the fantastic Jackie Tone playing her. But I
do understand that if you have seen a stereotype in
(32:48):
pop culture, and as we know, entertainment and pop culture
are so good at taking these stereotypes and blowing them up.
That that would be hard to.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Watch, Yeah, especially because they were all mean.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, Like there.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Wasn't one that was nice until you ended up seeing
the layers. So I do understand. I think I would
have been slightly offended.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, yeah, I understand that. But also I just love
to kind of the setup of like you have this
moment where in the bar mits of for where Joanne
and Noel or I have this like kiss and it's
all beautiful and she's converting and then she realizes the
stakes and then.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
He starts listening all these things she has to do,
and like he was trying to like because it was
clear that she was converting for him. Yeah, and he
was like, you're doing this for yourself, right, and she
was like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well That's my thing from my very minimal understanding of
the conversion is that the idea is that you go
through a lot and prove your investment in it. Because
the idea is that you convert, even if that person
were to like pass away, then you would still raise
your children Jewish or if you were to break up,
you would still be in the Jewish faith. And so
I think that's why there's like a lot of layers too.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
And I think he also didn't want the responsibility of
it just being on him.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, And I think that's why that showed down with
Rebecca where she was like, you're living my dream, like
just so you know, it's a big deal, and you
almost think like she confirms it. It's almost like she
was never super in love with Noah. She was in
love with the idea of being a rabbi's wife, Yeah,
and the huge place that that held in her culture,
which I understand that, and then seeing Joanne be terrified
by that, and I was like, I was looking at
the time and I'm like, Okay, we've got like four
(34:09):
minutes to go, what's going to happen here? Because I
knew it was going to end in a way with
them together, but I thought, well, we're going to have
a classic like a chase scene, and I guess they
kind of had that with him being there when she
arrived and the shuttle.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
That in the end, yeah, they care, somebody decide to
stay together. But I think the ending is what confused
me was has he quit Like is.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
He not going to be a rabbi? No, he hasn't
quit being a run.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
He's going to be a rabbi and marry her. But like, well,
this is why I know I'm jumping ahead, but that's
like what the whole thing was about, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I think they decide to still stay together and stay
in a relationship, but they don't decide to put like
in that moment a definitive like this is the only
way we will stay together. They were like, we want
to be together, and we will work this out and
we'll put the work in on both sides.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
And the well because he can't be the head rabbi.
He was told he can't be the head rabbi until
she converted. Yeah, and she doesn't want to.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Well, she just not right now, I think she was.
She was saying, I mean, there's a lot of layers
to it, but this is why, like a season two
hasn't been confirmed yet, but this is why.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
God better it better make me hanging out.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I think it really has legs through a season two
because now you can see them in the throes of
the next part.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
And also like Sasha and Morgan's relationship needs to be developed.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh yeah, I was like, I don't want them to
have an affair, but I kind of do like I love.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Me, like I thought there was something wrong with me.
I wouldn't be mad if they slept together.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
What a show? Just loved it. The Weekend watch.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It is a weekend watch time where we give you
two movies or TV shows to take with you for
this weekend and the rules are as always, you have
to watch them and then give us feedback on how
we did.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Are you just saying the rules out loud to yourself
then to remind yourself. We have to watch them. People
have to work, so everyone go watch them. Well, there's
nothing like in order to make everyone feel like this
is a fun podcast for.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Their fan No, you get homework in this podcast of anything.
So I want to talk about my week and watch
first because I'm very excited. It is Joan on Stan.
It sars Sophie Turner, who we absolutely love. But she's
in this new show called Joan on Stand where she
plays Joan Hannington, who's kind of mimicked after a real
person nicknamed the Godmother. So she was a real person,
(36:24):
famous jewelry thrief in the eighties in London. Promise me
I won't lose her a tough day.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh yeah, what you do? I'm a thief. What do
you want?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
John?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And I'm almostly dressing her pretending job satisfaction isn't a crime.
What the rest of it is.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I've watched only the first three episodes, like I've binged
them literally in one evening, But Sophie plays these accents
so well, and she kind of shows how with her
like jewelry thief personality, she like changes herself and she
shows that whole process of how she changes herself from
like her real life as like a single mother trying
to make ends and meet she has to put her
(37:20):
child into foster care just because she needs to make money.
She was involved in like a gang and she had
to escape that, like she's come from a really hard
spot and then on the other side the next day,
she's just kind of like cosplaying as this really glamorous
person who works in a jewelry store, who tries to
work in a hairdresser, who ends up just like stealing
jewelry because she learns about jewelry. She's like, you know what,
(37:42):
I can steal it, and it is done so so well.
I've only watched the first few episodes, but the way
she kind of portrays a woman who will do anything
to get her daughter back, even commit crime. It's done
so beautifully. It made me cry. Even though it's meant
to be kind of like action e comedy.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
It is an action comedy as well, but it's so good.
I've just started watching it as well, and I love it.
And she's so good and she looks beautiful. Yeah, she's
a hot. Oh my god, it's a good performance as well.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Please put it on your list. I need someone to talk.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
To you about it.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
You're ten, okay.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I feel like this is gonna be a really hard
recommendation for me because I'm already at an emotional ten
after talking about nobody wants this, and this show always
kicks me up to at least a fifteen. I haven't
brought this up for a long time, so just give
me this, okay. As you know, one of my favorite
shows in the entire world is The Walking Dead. And
when the Walking don't say anything Emily, And when The
(38:35):
Walking Dead ended, I was obviously devastated and I cried
a lot for days.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Though where else it was going to go?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well, the thing is it ended? And then a lot
of the main characters went off and got their own
spin off shows, which I've both loved and hated an
equal measure because I love seeing all my favorite characters
going off in these new journeys, but I also just
hate the fact that they're not together. But one of
the strongest other countries to visit, Yeah, exactly. But one
of the strongest spin offs, I think out of all
(39:01):
of them was The Walking Dead Darryl Dixon.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Care did he go off by himself?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
He did? He ended up in France, which is real
toning point for someone who never left you.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
But I thought that's where Maggie and Megan went.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
No, no, no, that's they went to New York. Oh, we
can't get into this right now. How did he get
to from It's a whole story. So he went off
to find Rick. We found he was alive. A series
of events brought him to France.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I don't know if this is the player so I'm
supposed to be. I think about all the people are
let fine.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Earth, they're still.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Thinking about me? My man?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
It was he? Where is he?
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Would you give up everything to look for somebody you
have in man?
Speaker 1 (39:40):
It was finding them alive? Yes, if you're not across
The Walking Dead, you could almost watch this show. I
think without it because it does build its own universe.
So Norman Readers plays Darryl Dixon, one of the hottest
characters in history.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
But he's hot because his character's hot.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, he's hot because his character's hot, Like, we don't
want to interact with him in real life. It's the
character was such a huge fan favorite for the over
a decade that The Walking Dead was on air, So
he got a spin off series and it shows him
going to France.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Can I just a spoiler?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I mean, what is it?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I mean if they end up getting it with Carol, No.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I know they would never How dare you got it?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
No?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
So he goes off to France and you could almost
like pick up the story there. I mean, I definitely
think everyone should go watch The Walking Dead because it's
great TV. But it's also just like great world building
of how the Apocalypse and how this disease of people
turning into walkers has affected a different country, and because
it's been around for a few decades now, you have
all these different societies that have sprung up. You have
like this underworld in Paris where people still live these huge,
(40:42):
glamorous lives, but alongside The Walking Dead and it's got
Clements Posey in it, who you might know from Gossip
Girl and Harry Potter and many other things as the
other lead. And it's just a really well made, great show.
But what's so intense about this new season? So the
first episode of season two has come out on stand
this week, and so Carol from The Walking Dead was
(41:04):
originally meant to be to spin off with him, but
the actress when the show ended was like, I just
can't go back into filming another show right now. I
need a break. So she wasn't in the first season,
and now she's in the second season.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
God, she's made away over the past.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
So it's Darryl and Carol. I won't spoil anything about
how their characters interact or if they find each other
or anything like that. But when I tell you, when
I sit down to watch this, the tears that were
streaming down my face a hundred ball. I mean, I've
had over a decade with these people, you know what
I mean. Like the intensity of this, Oh, I can't
(41:37):
even So The Walking Dead, Darryl Dixon, the Book of
Carol is out now on stan Cal. You can watch
season one, and like I said, if you want to
not watch The Walking Dead like I'm judging you, but
you could just jump into this as an amazing show,
this dystopian world. The sets are amazing, the Walkers are amazing.
I just love it so much. New episodes dropping weekly.
(41:57):
The first one's out more tocom.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with sound production
by Scott Stronik. We will be back here on your
podcast at three pm on Monday.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Bye. Byeller Weller Lollo
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