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Who we have, Yes, we do. I'm not working out
how many days, but allegedly it's soon. Anyway, Today we
need to talk about emmastone. Can you picture her in
your mind? Should she have played a Hawaiian woman who
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was part Asian in a film. Absolutely not. It's not
for us to say. But no, I don't know. No.
This is a moment from our big episode on emmastone
Jesse Aloha controversy. This is perhaps one of my favorite
canceled defenses of all time. Aloha was a twenty fifteen
romantic comedy starring Bradley Cooper, Rachel McAdams, John Krasinski, Phil Murray,
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and Emmastone. You can't let one small mouth Falgus.
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Rowan a second chance?
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What does a second chance? Your old boss.
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Wants you back. It's away our old stomping ground.
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Halloha, he'll crass. You're back in the game.
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I want to introduce you to your Air Force liaison.
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She's a fast burner, a double espresso, sir, I'm still Jack.
It was directed by Cameron Crowe, who directed such bangers
as Almost Famous Jerry Maguire, Vanilla Sky and we boret
A Zoo. Vanilla Sky also known as your husband's favorite
favorite film. I was talking to my husband about this
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and I said, you know that terrible movie Aloha. This
guy directed it, but he's actually directed some good movies
and Rory said, such as Vanilla Skuy because he knew
who the director was his favorite movie. He makes everyone
watch it. It's not that good anyway. As of today,
Cameron Crowe has not directed a film since Aloha because
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he was on a run. It will soon become clear
why he was like writer director. He was dominating Hollywood stride,
and then he went, I'm gonna take a risk here.
I'm going to make a film called Aloha after how
you say Hello Wai in Hawaii, and I'm gonna really
take a swing and cast Emma Stone. Did she play
a Hawaiian person? A quarter Hawaiian, a quarter Chinese? Oh shit, Okay, yeah,
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I tried to watch this years ago and couldn't. That's
how bad it was. If you like to watch things
that are upsetting to yeah, I went, I went, it's
set in a beautiful place. Yeah, it's got a beautiful cast. Yeah,
the plot's horrific. What else could I want? Yeah? What
could I want? I couldn't watch it. It was commercially
and critically a failure. It costs thirty seven million to
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make and then grossed twenty six million with that cast,
with that cast, so word must have rows it about
because my memory is a an Emma Stone with makeup
that made her racially ambiguous, which I'm pretty sure is
more racist and I think like a military vibe. Okay,
the premise is this, While an assignment in Hawaii, military
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contractor Brian Gilcrest Bradley Cooper reconnects with his old flamee
Rachel McAdams, now married to an Air Force recruit, John Krasinski.
He also spends time with Alison John Krasinski the office Office. Yeah,
I love that guy. Yeah, yeah, and he's really hot
in it. He's kind of jacked. He also spends time
with Alison Ning Emma Stone, a hard nosed fighter pilot
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who watches every move that he makes. As they travel
through the lush terrain, Brian finds himself falling for Ning,
while his conversations with Tracy provide a shocking revelation from
their past. Now it's too confusing, it's too confusing. Let
me tell you about the character Alison Ing. It's ng.
It's like ring without the R or the ice. As
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I said, she's meant to be one quarter Chinese, one
quarter Hawaiian. She's sort of like the cultural voice in
this right, but she's played by Emma Stone, which is
problematic in that Emma Stone is German, English, Irish and
wait for it, because this is important Scottish. This is
why we look alike. We've got identical backgrounds. No, genuinely.
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There was unsurprisingly backlash to this casting decision. A Jezebel
headline read, Emma Stone playing a half Asian character in
Aloha literally? Why? Literally? The Media Action Network for Asian
Americans released a statement about the all white casting of
a movie set in Hawaii, and they said that sixty
percent of Hawaii's population is Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders.
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Caucasians make up about thirty percent of the population, but
from watching the film, you'd think they made up ninety
nine percent. Now. The director responded to the backlash and
he said, I've heard your words and your disappointment. I
offer a heartfelt apology to all who felt this was
an odd or misguided casting choice. So has he explained, well, yes, okay,
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all right, as far back as two thousand and seven,
Captain Allison Ing, we've written to be a super proud
one quarter Hawaiian who was frustrated that by all outward appearances,
she looked nothing like one Okay, a half Chinese father
was meant to show the surprising mix of cultures often
prevalent in Hawaii. Extremely proud of her unlikely heritage, she
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feels personally compelled to over explain every chance she gets.
The character was based on a real life redheaded local
who did just that. Ah, that's all lovely. The difference
is that the local was actually Hawaiian. Okay, Yeah, Hollywood
has an appalling track record when it comes to diverse representation.
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And did you not think it was strange? Do make
Emma Stone play someone with the last name ying did nothing?
The issue, isn't it? And it's also like she's not
some unknown actress where you could almost put aside everything
you knew about them and maybe go, hey, maybe not actress.
It's Hawaiian. I know she's not. She is the whitest
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actress who exists. She's so so white, which is fine
because ninety nine percent of roles for really white people. Yeah,
so we got one role here for someone who isn't complete,
isn't completely white. Yeah, and we go you know what,
you know it hasn't been given a chance. Emily, little
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old Emily. You know, she was fifteen inch made that PowerPoint. Yeah,
she hustled, Let's give her a go. Oh. I really
do think this is one of those examples. I'm obsessed
with how things like this happen in Hollywood, right that
no one sits around the table and goes Because I
think what happened is Cameron Crowe wrote it, and he went,
I'll just ask, I'll ask, and if it's weird, she'll
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tell me, she'll say something. And maybe she thought he asked,
it must not be weird. Yeah, And then I think
Bradley Cooper was like, well, I don't know. He said
that it's fine. Everyone thought the other would check. Yeah,
it's a class studio meeting, and you're thinking, no, the
studio checked. We got this signed off by all Hawaiian people, yeah,
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or something. Somebody did something to make sure that this
was It's a diffusion of responsibility. It's no one person's fault.
It is everyone's fault to varying degree. Because I think
Emma Stone is also like, hold on, Rachel McAdams is
in this film. She wouldn't sign on if this is offensive.
Bradley Cooper wouldn't know. John Krasinski seems like a good guy. Yeah,
he wouldn't star in a scene with me if I
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was cosplaying somebody of a different race when I really
but everybody at the whensk I made Vanilla Skuy. Yeah,
he doesn't do stupid things. And then he's gone, oh look,
it's just yeah. It was definitely one of those things
where you look at the poster and you're like, oh shit,
how did that happen? They want me to believe em
the Stone's Hawaiian who made that? Call all of you
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a little bit. But Jesse, it wasn't just that the
casting was bad. It was the film itself. And speaking
of people, you cancel along the way Cameron grow, Okay,
what's he steel? And why hasn't he worked since other
than a lower Because it was so bad? I think
he got scared away from Hollywood. Yeah, Jesse come up
against this in the cancel courtroom before. When people do
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a really bad piece of work, they hide, they hide,
they retreat into a sou and they go, never mind me,
here's a review. And then they retreat and then they
throw Emmstone out and then they go back to their
snow cave. Sorry if you're hurt, but they're offering in
the Stone Yeah, look, here's Emma Stone. Yeah, Bradley Like,
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he's just offering people going leave me alone in a
snow cave in my cave. Here's a review from Vox.
Crow came into a low heart with a cast that
could melt silver linings, playbooks, off the planet, a dreamy
setting that people wouldn't mind spending eternity staring at. A
script that rights itself. Filmed set in Hawaii and Hawaii.
When we went to Hawaii, we were like, boom forgetting
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Sarah Marshall. Yeah, Boom, Blue crash, boom, hich go to
every set. Yes, And I've just realized that all of
those movies are about white people. You know what I
didn't do. I didn't say, where's Aaloha filmed? Because I
didn't did say care, let's go to the Jurassic Park
part Yeah? Yeah, because that was very good. But the
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whitewashing of Hawaii, it's serious. It's very problematic. Yeah. The
Vox review said, it's a script that writes itself because
people will throw money at you to see Bradley Cooper
kiss Emma Stone and Rachel McAdams and the actual real
life experience of living in Hawaii It's both mystifying and
unfair that he managed to take all that and turn
it into whatever Aloha is. I just could not shake
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the films haunting and naked mediocrity. I was left thinking
about Aloha long after I left the theater. The movie
taunted me in a way that other bad movies hadn't.
This is when we do our movie marathon where we
watch and live blog cats, which we've been promising to
do for a while because of James Hardy's involvement. Yeah,
I think Aloha is after that. Yeah, No, I think
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it's really important that we will. I watched the trailer
and I went, yeah, nah, it doesn't make sense. Doesn't
make sense. So Emma Stone what has sometimes been referred
to as the mannic Pixie dream girl. Oh yeah, And interestingly,
it was a Cameron Crowe film, Elizabethtown that made a
reviewer coin that term with the Kirsten Dunce. Yet I
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do remember, because I did start to watch this movie
before I turned it off, and I do remember that
Emma Stone's character was all like blah, like just like
had no filter and turning up everywhere and like way
too straightly. But I'm hot, Yeah, I'm crazy, but I'm sexy.
I'm actually so crazy it makes me sexy. Yea, yeah, yeah,
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So I'd.
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Love to get a beverage or a peppermint t.
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I discuss all kinds of stuff, the sky, future, yeah, everything.
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I'm a peppermint t girl.
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Well, you have a good time.
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I met with you, sir.
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Now, she played a trope. That's an issue, but she
did play it in an abysmal film. A BuzzFeed review,
you said, Aloha is the world's most bewildering romantic comedy,
and it really I mean, wow, it's just we all
have to go and watch it together. I'm surprised that
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her career was somehow re because it all went somewhere
from there. No, yeah, everybody Wentley Hooper's still working, Rachel
mccadams is still working, and amm A Stone only has
she do she ever formally apologize? Yes, yes, yes, so
she apologized for her role. In a twenty fifteen interview,
She said the controversy around her casting opened her eyes
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in many ways. She said, I've become the butt of
many jokes. I've learnt on a macro level about how
insane the history of whitewashing is. In Hollywood, and how
prevalent the problem truly is. It ignited a conversation that's
very important. Then there was a moment at the Golden
Globes in twenty nineteen where the host made a joke
about crazy rich Asians and how it was the first
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movie to tell an Asian story since Aloha, and Emma
Stone called out, I'm sorry.
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Crazy changeons is nominee. It's a night for Best Picture,
Musical or cormedy. It is the first studio film with
an Asian American lead since Ghosts in the shallon Aloha from.
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Me, Oh that's funny. Yeah, She's like, I'm sorry, I
regret it. I'm so I'm so sorry. That is not
the end of our episode on Emma Stone. In fact,
that was just a little bit. To listen to that
entire episode, just click the link. In our show notes,
we look into how Emma lied about her name, how
she has too many best friends and just simply is
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not hustling enough for her success. We're recanceling three things
every week over the summer break, including celebrities, TV shows,
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